protection

[undone jacinth]

doesn’t matter

you’ll replace all this gear in a week anyway

[versed bough]

what enchant for wep for m+

[undone jacinth]

I just use celestial because it’s cheap and just as good as the others

[versed bough]

no specific?

[undone jacinth]

?

[marble cipher]

there's an increased healing recieved enchant which is techcnailly the best i think

just costs like 5k vs 200

[undone jacinth]

don’t think that’s even better tbh

[modern brook]

that doesnt sound like more stats

[undone jacinth]

main stat is very op

[sweet summit]

Lightless for dam
Celestial for defensive/cheap

[unique shale]

any none kyrain prot tank can tank key above 9 ?

[sweet summit]

Yes

[unique shale]

how

[undone jacinth]

kyrian isn’t enabling Prot

[unique shale]

850 versatility still dying on big packs without using big cds

[undone jacinth]

it’s ur core gameplay that matters

[undone sun]

verse wont save you

[undone jacinth]

u block u kick u kite

[woven kiln]

SB and IP my dude

[undone jacinth]

simple

[unique shale]

but i lose aggro all time when i kite

[woven kiln]

srs, prot's core AM is so underrated

[undone jacinth]

well if ur talking about 9s u don’t need to kite

[unique shale]

what is SB and IP

[undone jacinth]

shield block and ignore pain

[unique shale]

still it doesn't cut it

[undone jacinth]

it really does

what’s ur ilvl

[unique shale]

i taking too much physical damage than normal

199

[woven kiln]

If you do need to kite. Go in with a CD (last stand with bolster, for instance), dump a few revenges and thunder claps, a shockwave, a ravengar. Then run, using thunder slap out of melee range

[undone jacinth]

u start with shield block, u continue with shield block, then u last stand

if ur doing those 3 things u don’t take physical damage

[undone sun]

sounds like conjecture till logs are shown

[unique shale]

dunno i doing all of those thing and i still dying on big packs and losing aggro easily

[sweet summit]

Log your runs

[undone jacinth]

I can guarantee you it’s because ur not doing those things

or ur playing bad

[sweet summit]

Youre 100% playing incorrectly

No offense

[woven kiln]

This is good news btw. IT's bad news when you have to do some hard af next level shit. When the improvements can come from the core gameplay loop, you fix the problem in a few hours of training dummy, looking at logs and some lower keys

[unique shale]

i mean i did 7 easily with pugs and 9 with guild

but 9 pugs can't do it

[undone jacinth]

too vague for anyone to be able to help

at that level you should be able to carry runs fairly independently tho

[woven kiln]

at your gear (any stats), any leggo, any talents, +9 should feel soft. If your health spiking all over the place it's not the fault of a healer pug

[unique shale]

i think problem is with pugs kind of

[undone jacinth]

probably not true

[woven kiln]

even if it IS their fault, you need to rewire that circuitry in your brain. ALWAYS think, 'how can I have improved something?'

[mighty valley]

https://tenor.com/view/well-there-it-is-jeff-goldblum-gif-14058551

[unique shale]

jk 🤣

y i using that set up

our 9 key run fall apart right now because a prot tank 🤣

[devout pike]

i juste did +12 mist, +9 mist easy, +11 DOS, +11 sanguine no problem, if u use anger management shield wall should be up every 2 minutes, use it on big packs, use your stuns on packs and kicks, kite

[unique shale]

and are you using the wall too ?

[devout pike]

no, thunderlord!

if you manage your rage well, with anger management avatar and shield wall cd's are reduced quite much

[unique shale]

yeah but i changed those to ravager and boslter

are you following any online guild

[devout pike]

im following icy veins and wowhead

[unique shale]

or still is it random combination

[devout pike]

with pelagos soulbinds

do you have ignore pain up all the time or almost all the time, and shield block on cd after the first charfge is down

[unique shale]

first charge i have both on

[chilly brook]

hittin the 800 andy club

[unique shale]

but during fight i don't have both up at same time

[chilly brook]

@devout pike tbh Bolster is a better pick

AM is really only the pick if you're running the Wall

[undone jacinth]

wouldn’t even take it with wall tbh

[chilly brook]

shouldn't be an issue, just did a 13

[chilly brook]

I still use bolster with The Wall

[devout pike]

i mean, anger management helps with avatar and the wall, our 2 best cds

[unique shale]

then i have wrong rotation i guess

[chilly brook]

Eh

[undone jacinth]

your best cd is shield block not wall

[devout pike]

almost every site and every pro say its required

[chilly brook]

50% DR for 8 seconds vs 30+ seconds of Shield Block

[unique shale]

tbh i think AM is better

[chilly brook]

It's not

[devout pike]

shiled block lasts 6 secs

[unique shale]

cause my cds always are down

[devout pike]

vs shield wall 8 secs

[chilly brook]

no they don't

[undone jacinth]

u will find it has to find any top player not using bolster

unless they don’t need survival

[chilly brook]

Oh hey look

[devout pike]

wowhead is AM

[chilly brook]

Wowhead isn't written by this discord

[devout pike]

i dont watch icy veyns

[chilly brook]

It's written by someone else

IV is maintained by this discord...

Specifically Mwahi

But feel free to argue with people who actually do the content at high enough levels and program the sims

Wowhead is straight wrong

Especially since it says UF is still the best talent build

[devout pike]

imo ravager isnt good, idk how we should take this talent

[chilly brook]

Oh hey

Look

[devout pike]

ah i guess u dont have thunderlords

[chilly brook]

Wowhead even says it's the best defensive talent

[devout pike]

they still dont takew it in the build

[chilly brook]

Ravager is good because 60 rage on a 45 second CD

And it does good aoe damage

what are you on about

Really?

Wowhead doesn't?

What's this then?

[devout pike]

''alternate defensive''

[unique shale]

https://raider.io/characters/us/hyjal/Shuibzugzug#season=season-sl-1

[chilly brook]

Although the fact they take DR for the build lmao

[unique shale]

highest prot war

[chilly brook]

He uses War Machine though

🤢

[signal plover]

Oof doesn't io take log out talents?

[chilly brook]

It doesn't even matter because the wowhead writeup is bad

[undone jacinth]

for listing probably

kiting not listing

[chilly brook]

could be

[signal plover]

Could be since u don't need KB

[undone jacinth]

😂

[unique shale]

bfa tank ?!

[undone jacinth]

yeah it sounds like some people are still keeping the BFA dream alive

[chilly brook]

Do I need to go on?

[devout pike]

if you use thunderlords, why would you use ravafer

[undone jacinth]

because it’s better

[chilly brook]

???

[undone jacinth]

more dmg more rage

[unique shale]

see most of them are kyrain !!

[undone jacinth]

of course they are because kyrian is the best

[signal plover]

The attachment to UF/AM (and listing it as the first tab choice) is my biggest issue with wowhead guide. The discussion of the talents is still spot on.

[chilly brook]

Like literally everyone pushing keys is running ravager bolster

[unique shale]

those venthyer ones do not showing their set up

[chilly brook]

It straight up says the BFA build is the best

When UF is dead

[signal plover]

Oof

I don't remember that

I thought it just listed it as an offensive build option(which is also incorrect)

[chilly brook]

It's a bad writeup

[unique shale]

bfa dream

[signal plover]

I mean, that first sentence is kinda key, but agree that it's hella misleading

[chilly brook]

BFA build is legit only "good" in meme content

[unique shale]

i know it

[chilly brook]

And it's still worse than almost any other build rn

[unique shale]

venthyer tanks using different set up

[spring quartz]

There’s Venthyr tanks?

[unique shale]

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Cozen#season=season-sl-1

[chilly brook]

only thing different is he's running Dr

which is objectively worse in keys

[unique shale]

no

[chilly brook]

uh yes

if you're talking his legendary it's a fury legendary

[devout pike]

i guess you guys are right, oh well

[chilly brook]

likely a fury main

[devout pike]

kinda surprised no AH with the wall ngl

[unique shale]

i used wowhead for covenant soul bounds

and he is using one that give mastery

and i using one that give haste

[undone jacinth]

idk if the author even plays his warrior

[devout pike]

is it actually a thing to use the legendary memory fo the tormented kinds, as the first prot warrior uses

[chilly brook]

Llarold, while a great guy, plays different tanks and iirc is playing BrM

[unique shale]

they should remove wowhead guides for warrior

[chilly brook]

no it's bugged

[unique shale]

it is just misleading as f

[lavish oracle]

Mostly arms raiders tanking keys for their guilds @devout pike

[chilly brook]

Again likely a DPS main

[devout pike]

alright makes sens

im gonna try the new build, the other went pretty smooth so i guess its gonna be better, i parse 95% dps already in raid so if it deals more dmg im down

[undone jacinth]

the wowhead author currently has 250 Rio and 4/10 normal nathria

[unique shale]

lol

[devout pike]

lol

[unique shale]

i have higher rio than him

i should write wowhead guides XD

[devout pike]

do you guys use DR or booming

[astral orbit]

Unstoppable force VS Ravager in Mythic+ what is better?

[undone jacinth]

his main is 6/10m and 760 Rio but he plays monk

[unique shale]

RAVAGER

[lavish oracle]

Tbh, I think you could probably go pretty far with 'wrong' talents in almost any content

[devout pike]

you guys use ravager in raids as well?

[astral orbit]

Even though unstoppable lowers Thunder clap CD = faster Demo CD?

[unique shale]

yeah it gives easy rages

[lavish oracle]

I use ITF in most raid fights

[astral orbit]

What about DR Vs Booming? with Defensive talents?

[devout pike]

do you guys use DR or booming

[unique shale]

but ITF without AM it won't working

[lavish oracle]

I use Ravager for fights where I can't get 10% haste from ITF for the majority of the fight

[unique shale]

booming

[astral orbit]

What is ITF?

[devout pike]

into the fray

[unique shale]

into the fray

[astral orbit]

wth is that

[unique shale]

haste buff

[lavish oracle]

Into the Fray, yes, you get 2% haste for every ally or enemy within a certain radius, I can't remember

15 yards?

[undone sun]

talent

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, talent on the same row as ravager

[astral orbit]

So ITF isn't better than Ravager?

Even though it's haste = Faster SB?

[lavish oracle]

It's better in some situations

[unique shale]

ravager is better for mythic tbh and ITF is good with AM and wall in raid

[undone sun]

haste isn't the end all be all

[undone jacinth]

no

nothing to do with am and wall

[astral orbit]

So if I want to focus on Mythic+

[undone jacinth]

it’s just better

[astral orbit]

High keys in M+

What talents do I want to run

For optimal defense

[unique shale]

in what way ?

[lavish oracle]

Ravager/Bolster

[undone jacinth]

because haste

[lavish oracle]

ITF Sims better in terms of DPS, and provides a meaningful boost to SB uptime and rage gen

[unique shale]

SB ?

[astral orbit]

Sure in terms of DPS, but suriviabilty then?

[lavish oracle]

Again, assuming you can get the max benefit from it for most of the fight

Shield block

[devout pike]

endurance conduit you guys use brutal vitality or unnerving focusd

[astral orbit]

I want to max out mitigation, not dps

[lavish oracle]

in M+ take ravager

[undone jacinth]

that’s what haste does

[astral orbit]

Sure, but i'm hearing alot of split opinions here

What sims better?

[undone jacinth]

!?

U just said u don’t wanna do dmg

[lavish oracle]

You can't sim defensively

[astral orbit]

I swear some jackass in here told me the sims said haste is the best defensive stat

[undone jacinth]

Well that is lies

[undone sun]

key word

jackass

[vocal imp]

im running both prot and fury would Memory of a Seismic Reverberation be good for both ? just asking

[unique shale]

what no

[astral orbit]

So then what is the best defensive stat?

[lavish oracle]

Haste

[undone jacinth]

haste lol

[astral orbit]

lmao what

[devout pike]

you guys use this?

[lavish oracle]

But not because of sims, haha

[undone jacinth]

it’s nothing to do with sims

[astral orbit]

yall making my brain have a meltdown

Hahahaha

[undone sun]

haste may or may not be a good defensive stat, but that's not because of sims

[undone jacinth]

It’s what haste gives u

[lavish oracle]

I use Unnerving Focus as my defensive conduit

[undone jacinth]

more blocks, more spells, more rage

[astral orbit]

What ever happened to the vers meta?

[unique shale]

mastery and versatility

[astral orbit]

I thought Vers = survival?

Mastery and Vers?

[lavish oracle]

When we unlock 2nd potency, I'm swapping first tier to endurance probably

[astral orbit]

Wat

[undone jacinth]

vers is fine u just can’t get 90% of it any more

[vocal imp]

what memory are yall using in legandary ?

[lavish oracle]

Vers is pretty good too

The Wall and Tlords

[astral orbit]

Hellish, so I should prio vers mastery over Haste?

[unique shale]

thunderlord

[undone jacinth]

u don’t wanna be asking that guy

No offence

[astral orbit]

How come

He linked his rio page, wasn't it 1.3k

[vocal imp]

what vessel do i need to get that on

[lavish oracle]

No, prio ilvl > haste > vers/crit > mastery

[undone sun]

rio /=/ knowledge

[unique shale]

well i had a lot of haste it doesn't help me a lot and most of guild tanks going kyrain for mastery and versatility

[undone jacinth]

well the reason he’s in here was because he was asking how to time keys above 9

[shell hare]

Bolster feels good. Paired with increased rage generation conduit. Just pop last stand and spam condemn 😎

[undone jacinth]

he didn’t link his own Rio

[unique shale]

mine is 650 chill

[astral orbit]

lmao

So I can pick Booming, instead of DR

And then it's a debate between rav and ITF

?

[undone jacinth]

Dr is just if u want dmg

[lavish oracle]

For keys? Just take rav

[undone jacinth]

and then yes again ravager will do more for u

in keys

[lavish oracle]

In raid, ITF is good for a lot of fights

[astral orbit]

Just a question, if I stack enough haste to shorten the CD on shieldslam

Wouldn't heavy Repercussions be better?

To lengthen a SB?

[undone jacinth]

No

That talent is awful

[lavish oracle]

Theoretically, maybe

But not anywhere near our current levels of haste

[undone sun]

but i'm almost certain you cannot reach that haste

[lavish oracle]

Like probably more haste than well ever get

[astral orbit]

hmm

Thanks for the answers guys

I'll go try these shits out, and come back here to complain

[undone jacinth]

even if u have more haste ur gonna want the bolster window to use it to do damage

[devout pike]

@lavish oracle the conduit for ignore pain that i use is fine right? on icy veins they suggest that one

[unique shale]

should i ever use condemn on prot or it is just waste of rage ?

[devout pike]

but im fucked up i guess

[undone jacinth]

can use it on ST instead of IP

I sometimes also use it to get victory rush

[unique shale]

good point

yeah that make sense a lot

[undone jacinth]

the absorb is decent and it stacks

[mighty valley]

use it all the time when you outgear the content lol

also great for raiding when you're not the current tank

[devout pike]

yeah, i use ignore pain so often idk why i would remove this conduit

and helps when i pvp as arms

[unique shale]

aright off to tank some keys let's see how my new ration and soul bound work

[lavish oracle]

@devout pike I'm not a fan of it, IP evaporates to fast in high damage situations to really get noticeable benefit out of it whereas Unnerving Focus is a hefty amount of extra rage during Last stand

Like, it turns Last Stand into a huge defensive CD and a kind of mini DPS CD if you can just dump the extra rage into revenge

[devout pike]

i can try that

[lavish oracle]

Stalwart Guardian is also fairly strong if you're using The Wall

Otherwise it's kinda whatever

[vocal imp]

best covenent for prot

[elder rock]

kyrion

[devout pike]

ty guys then

[lavish oracle]

Kyrian for sure, Night Fae is pretty good but 1 minute CD vs 90s and Phial is just way to good

The other two are poo poo for prot

[elder rock]

Has anyone noticed how difficult +9s are as prot? or is it jsut me?

[golden pollen]

It depends on slot of factor

How r u finding it difficult? Are you not timing but not struggling in fights?

Or ur healer on alot

Or constant wipe?

[elder rock]

I feel like i take to much dmg for my healer (im 201 he's 198 pally) which leads to constant wipes

[golden pollen]

Could be just a rotation thing

Or ur vs those slime in plaguefall

those dots are anti fun lol

[versed bough]

just to be confirm

Haste reduces Shield block CD?

[fallow mortar]

yes

[astral orbit]

Lol some bs about the dev of Mythic dungeon tool now made the NPC data cost irl money

So anyone got any replacement addon for routing?

[versed bough]

Dont update

lel

[shell hare]

Manbaby dungeon tools

[versed bough]

How high should I get my haste to be acceptable

HAHA

Im not raiding tnak

just m+

[undone sun]

any above 0% is acceptable

[fallow mortar]

^

You want ilvl

[shell hare]

Pvp haste verse gear is actually really good for tanking

[fallow mortar]

I 👏 le 👏 vel 👏

[hushed vessel]

@elder rock In what situations do you take too much damage? How many and which mobs are you fighting? Skeletons before last boss in PF can't be tanked, must be kited. Same with the big skeleton warrior dudes at the beginning of De Other Side.

[unique shale]

aright boys did 8 key no problem

i think i had wrong soul bounds and rotation

[chilly brook]

I mean you can tank the big skeleton bois just not without CDs

[nova gulch]

What legendaries are we using for M+? I see some prot warriors running with Signet of Tormented King. Is that to try and help with dps or am I missing something?

[orchid depot]

It is greedy, but it gives more dps yes

I use the thunder legendary for m+, but The Wall isn't bad either

Has anyone managed to fix MDT to work after the recent update? Question might not fit this chat 😛

[hallow phoenix]

either revert to an older version or check out Tomslack's github page

[orchid depot]

Yeah tried that one, must be doing something wrong. Removed the -main part but still isn't working

will look into it

[mellow patio]

Lots of warriors dps in raid but tank m+ that’s why you see it a lot

[golden pollen]

i run TL with UF/AM

just to feel more like BFA lol

[chilly brook]

gotta get that Manbaby Dungeon Tools

Imagine being so salty about losing WF that you flip out at viewers and put a paywall on your addon

[golden pollen]

Was that really the reason?

[chilly brook]

I mean basically

He flipped out on a viewer and started saying how people should be paying him for MDT and now we're where we are

[golden pollen]

I'm sure if he paywall it, someone will just create a free one eventually

[chilly brook]

They have

Because of the license he used

And there's nothing he can do about it

[golden pollen]

I haven't used MDT so far in SL lol

Alot of stuff are just practice n trials and error

[chilly brook]

It's extremely useful for prideful planning

Didn't use it before 10s

[golden pollen]

I mainly pug, so I just go along with the flow

[chilly brook]

Literally have to pay him for actual dungeon data

[golden pollen]

Lol

Well, let see how this shit turns out in a month

I wish we can slot more than one legendaries, now that would be fun

[fallow mortar]

so where can we go to plan out dungeons?

[golden pollen]

Raiderio

[fallow mortar]

really? that is convenient

[golden pollen]

Just follow route by those guides

And alter if needed

Usually they are pretty simple and straight forward

Unless ur doing 15+ then sry can't help u , struggle with that rn lol

But generally rio has pretty good resource to start out

[fallow mortar]

I don't see where I can look up maps, do i just search dungeons?

[golden pollen]

Or watch some prot warrior run video

[undone sun]

https://raider.io/news?tag=weekly-route

[fallow mortar]

ty, but how did you end up there o.o

[golden pollen]

https://raider.io/news?tag=weekly-route

its under the news tab

[undone sun]

News> weekly route

[fallow mortar]

ahhhhh

[jade axle]

So those weak auras in the weekly route provide a route to ensure pride at the right time?

[golden pollen]

not sure, i dont use those wa

[fallow mortar]

the maps are not loading for me, anything you would suggest to fix this issue or should I just wait?

[undone sun]

in the main description and each dungeon description it talks about proper prideful timings

so very likely

[jade axle]

Interesting

[undone sun]

wago seems to be having issues with the maps as well. may have something to do with the addon update ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked lantern]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Seismic Reverberation legendary for prot? Anyone had any experience with it?

[fallow mortar]

so for now are we just left with using memory to plan routes or are there other resources to help plan?

[nocturne marlin]

Hi guys, how you handle the problem with 2 legos needed (tgv = m+ and wall = raid)? did you craft both? 🙂

[fallow mortar]

I crafted both, but ended up loving The Wall too much in both M+ and Raid

[chilly brook]

https://github.com/Tomslack/ManbabyDungeonTools

[nocturne marlin]

whats your cd on shildwall?

[chilly brook]

Here you go

Manbaby Dungeon Tools

AKA Mythic Dungeon Tools before Nnogie threw a fit

[fallow mortar]

do I just download it?

[chilly brook]

download and manually install it by putting it in your addon folder

plenty of youtube videos on how to manually install addons

[fallow mortar]

ahhh ok, do I need to unzip before putting it in the folder?

[chilly brook]

ye

[fallow mortar]

👍 tyvm

[fathom sluice]

Funny how people don’t hesitate to buy overpriced candy at the checkout, but think 3$ for a useful tool is too much.

[wintry finch]

We have been spoiled with free addons for a while

[drowsy obsidian]

chargin for his or his teams routes seams fine to me, but charging me so i can make my own routes is greedy

[wintry finch]

How long have we been using the addon and you say he is greedy?

[fathom sluice]

I didn’t mean to start a discussion. I just feel like he made the right decision and hope he will earn some money for his work 🙂

[onyx matrix]

No one earns their money

They crawl for them like crabs

[drowsy obsidian]

just how i feel, if you disagree cool, we've always had the ability to donate for addons we use

[slim garden]

this ^ 100%

[onyx matrix]

A greedy crab

[fallow mortar]

my ability to search in youtube is lacking, do you have a link handy?

[chilly brook]

Sorry but no, you don't give away a product for free and then 4 years later decide to drop a paywall on it with an update that no one could possibly know would brick it

[chilly brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/addons-how-to-install-and-maintain

[fallow mortar]

o>

[chilly brook]

Especially when your addon legally can just be forked and maintained for free by someone else under GPL2

[lavish oracle]

I don't disagree that the work he does is hard and he deserves to be paid but also, he kinda did it in a way that was guaranteed to garner an intensely negative community reaction

Which is to say he was an asshole about it

[slim garden]

yep

[lavish oracle]

To be fair, he did leave the dev mode in though, you can add all the mob data in yourself

Could probably start a community project of it

[tulip arch]

There are already input strings of the existing dataset to make it work again

[chilly brook]

Except the problem is that the mob data was already there

He literally just took stuff that was already done and removed it so you'd pay him for it

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, it was an incredibly dickish way to go about it

[fathom sluice]

I guess he just realised, when people already treat him for his product like he is already taking money for it and make demands, he also can just start taking money for it. Good lesson on how to take stuff for granted.

And you still can use the tool and feed it yourself, just not his ideas and routes.

Sounds fair to me.

[lavish oracle]

Well, he had the market cornered and he basically guaranteed that people are just going to make their own version of an add-on he did all the work for, so like, it was kinda the worst way to get paid for it too, lmao

[chilly brook]

He already takes money lmao

Good will is far more successful at getting people to sub or join patreon btw

Especially when there's an easy work around to get the same tool

[fathom sluice]

So why do you bother, just use the alternative : )

[fallow mortar]

@chilly brook followed the steps and copied the folder into the Addons folder, loaded up WoW and it didn't seem to work. Are there extra steps I am not seeing?

[lavish oracle]

That's literally what everyone is going to do

[chilly brook]

It's what people already have done

[chilly brook]

potentially, I don't manually install anymore

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallow mortar]

ah so you didn't install it yourself?>

[chilly brook]

nope

[tepid nest]

184 Haste/vers ring vs 197 Vers/Mastery ring

Thoughts?

I'm thinking the 197, but curious what you guys would go for

[chilly brook]

Just take the ilvl

[final axle]

Leveling protection warrior tmw, torn about covenants, is night fae for higher dps a choice ill regret?

[fallow mortar]

you won't regret going nightfae, no

I think only warriors going necrolord will regret it

[final axle]

Tbh the ground target on kyrian seems like one more thing to worry about, plus I'm already kyrian on prot paladin and need something fresh

So thats good to hear

[near shard]

Night fae are very versatile options imo, good for all types of content

[lavish oracle]

Kyrian is very good but Night fae is a close 2nd

[final axle]

Is the dps better on night fae? I was looking at bloodmallet numbers and I have no clue if thats reliable

[chilly brook]

If I'm being completely honest I'm considering swapping to Fae

I almost think it's better than Kyrian for keys

And yes it is more damage

[lavish oracle]

The DPS is better if you can hold the mobs in the aftershock

[chilly brook]

But only if you don't pull things out of your stomp

[lavish oracle]

Which is not always an option, unfortunately

[chilly brook]

Which shouldn't be much of an issue tbh

[lavish oracle]

Phial is the big loss, really

Phial is just so damn good on tanks

But like especially warrior

[final axle]

No cure spell :(

[chilly brook]

Eh

It doesn't feel that impactful imo outside of just being an extra healing pot

Most of the time bleeds don't feel dangerous enough to where I can't just kite out

[lavish oracle]

I use it to purge rebuffs all the time

[chilly brook]

And the rest is usually handled by the healer

[lavish oracle]

Lots of extra breathing room for my healer this week too

[chilly brook]

My healers this week have been saying I'm not taking much damage to begin with

Plus Ancient Aftershock CC is pretty powerful in M+

[lavish oracle]

I mean, just knowing that you can drop a 4 stack of grievous is a lot of extra room for a healer

[chilly brook]

I'd take that over phial on ZG wing trash for example

[lavish oracle]

AA in depths would be nice

But like Phial in plaguefall, no contest

Auto correct is a menace

[chilly brook]

Also side note rogues are insane

[lavish oracle]

Well, yeah

Did you miss BFA? 😛

[near shard]

Im really struggling to look at my abilities/threat/enemy casts and all that together in this xpac.. not sure why, cant find a "good" viseable place to put my weakauras, feels so messy

[hallow phoenix]

Griff you converted to NF?

[grizzled skiff]

@hallow phoenix I recently read that you have some nice routes for SL dungeons that you shared with someone via DM, any chance you'd do me a solid and hit me up, too ? 😄

Even though i'm a filthy Kyrian?

[hallow phoenix]

It's just a PF route

let me get the import string]

[grizzled skiff]

Thats mostly what matters to me IMO, i wanna be attractive to the mage and rogue in my guild and serve them nice timings.

[hallow phoenix]

my group's been two chesting PF with it

[shrewd geode]

whats good trinkets?

[grizzled skiff]

Im currently trying to push every dungeon on 15 and appreciate any input I can get.

[shrewd geode]

From mythics

[muted pendant]

Scale from DoS, Anima Field Emitter from SoA is all you need

[muted pendant]

Does it account for the missing plaguerocs? 🙏🏻

[hallow phoenix]

are ther missing plaguerocs now?

at the start one is a patrol and the other is where its always been

i rarely do either of them, though

only when a dps body pulls one will i kill both

[muted pendant]

They were/are snoozing in the middle of that first trash room

[hallow phoenix]

ahhh

yeah had a dps bodypull that once

its not in my route and when it was there we just walked around it

[muted pendant]

👍🏻

[hallow phoenix]

https://wago.io/NtouMMJvA

if anyone wanted a peek

im not happy with the second prideful spawn and eventually in higher keys i think the play will be using the explody dudes on the right path instead of left path near second prideful

but for now i avoid them

[chilly brook]

Not yet

Idk what I'm waiting for

[fallow mortar]

i think those are not subscribed can't see it

[hallow phoenix]

imagine updating addons

[chilly brook]

Ye was a big mistake

[steep quarry]

Hey guys, really unsure about trinkets, need some advice for m+ and raiding. ty

[tepid nest]

guys is there a resource somewhere which explains how mastery and shield block interact? As I understood, any block chance > 100% is added to critical block for warriors, but I also have 25% critical block chance from mastery. So if I have 25 crit block from mastery, 25% normal block, and I hit shield block, I then have 125% block chance. How much critical block chance do i have?

or did i make up that shit about > 100% being crit block

[hallow phoenix]

pretty sure you made it up

crit block chance is simply your mastery%

[heavy sail]

Sheet music and skulker wing are great offensively @steep quarry

[hallow phoenix]

man i couldnt stand sheet music in raid

never tried it in m+

forced movement for my buff icky

[heavy sail]

The defensive trinkets you want to look to farm out are sanguine visage and stone legion

Both drop from CN

Yeah sheet music is awkward

The haste buff is insanely stronk tho

Especially useful when your highest ilvl gear doesn’t have haste

Can help cover some of the gaps

[steep quarry]

ty for advice @heavy sail , should I look for blood-spattered scale when it comes to farming m+ trinkets?

[heavy sail]

Yes

[tepid nest]

Is there any updated resource on the attack table? Everything I can find talks about glancing and crushing blows which afaik were removed?

[sweet summit]

i dont know what that is so its probably removed

[heavy sail]

Classic mechanics @sweet summit

Removed in TBC

[astral orbit]

Yo mythic+ above 10

In what order should I kill the last three mobs at Devos in Spires to make it as easy as possible

[heavy sail]

I think left to right is generally the consensus

[astral orbit]

I usually do, but then the right one gains the other twos abilities, making him very difficult to kill

I think it's kind of overtuned that way

The aoe is just ridiculous

[heavy sail]

Yeah no way around it

Pop all the personals beforehand, have your lock rock/potions ready

[astral orbit]

Optimal to pop BL on the third and last one?

[heavy sail]

That pull on high keys is harder than Devos herself

[astral orbit]

Yeah exactly

[heavy sail]

Yeah probably

[stuck oxide]

anyone know what covenant darkee used during the WF race?

[placid oar]

He was Kyrian

[fiery badge]

Watched a Dalaran video on YT this “Prot warrior is no longer a good spec, the new dungeons primarily consist of magic damage and it lacks the survivability needed to push high keys”
🤡🤡🤡

wish people would stop spreading misinformation like this

I’ve had zero issue w/ survivability

[golden pollen]

If it's not broken it's not good apparently

[fiery badge]

Damage output is a little low compared to my DH tank but survivability is not the issue imo

[golden pollen]

Our survivability is okay,dmg kinda low atm, but we always scale like crazy

Maybe next tier when we reach enough stats we considered "good"

[hallow phoenix]

most people have shit shields

[restive flax]

I'm just fairly certain that a lot of these videos are based on perception of any given spec rather than personally playing it. And when a Prot Warrior doesn't know what hes doing he's going to get shat on in high keys

[hallow phoenix]

thats a huge contributing factor on week 3 of m+

[restive flax]

Not knowing what to do when as a Prot Warrior is probably more punishing than any other tank class atm

[fiery badge]

Also the whole thing about dungeons being mostly magic damage.. as compared to what BFA?

Waycrest, astral Dazar, Tol Dagor

[golden pollen]

Tbh I kinda like current iteration of prot compared to bfa, it's less flashy and requires more solid clean play to get result

[restive flax]

Well thats just trying to show that the massive physical damage reduction warriors have is less relevant

[golden pollen]

But this kinda style don't sit well with content creator cause there's no flashy shit or big dmg lol

[restive flax]

Because all of the magic damage

[golden pollen]

There's quite a bit of physical dmg still

[fiery badge]

Pretty much every dungeon had tons of magic damage in BfA. But people said that BFA Prot was a monster because dungeons were most physical damage

[restive flax]

I am aware of that CuteGuy

But when a content creator says "hey theres a lot of magic damage" it devalues one of warriors core strengths

[fiery badge]

I like this version of Prot better too, a little less forgiving than the meme avatar clap spam of BFA

[golden pollen]

Azerite trait and the talent choices gave warrior decent mitigation while pumping dmg, we get ip whenever avatar popped in in bfa

[hallow phoenix]

free IP in avatar was the lamest part of BoM

[restive flax]

I think what they mean to say is that the most punishing mechanics in dungeons are magic damage.... which I dont think is incorrect

[hallow phoenix]

the absolutely insane 80%+ mastery was the winner

[golden pollen]

And ip is our most common mitigation vs magic dmg

[fiery badge]

I barely every pressed revenge in BfA season 3 because I was getting claps almost every global with ineffable truth

[hallow phoenix]

avatar feels like poo to press now

[restive flax]

Theres not a lot of physical damage based stuff in dungeons that really makes or breaks a pull

[golden pollen]

High mastery means more ip shield

[hallow phoenix]

sure but it also meant you were crit blocking everything

[golden pollen]

I use TL UF/AM

[hallow phoenix]

neither health nor IP moved in avatar

[golden pollen]

There's down time in mitigation and damage

But u can smooth it out with shield wall and more demo shout

Bolster is a great talent

[fiery badge]

I’m running bolster for SB down time

[golden pollen]

But I like to spam a bit of apm

[fiery badge]

But my point is
Prot isn’t bad, but content creators still make dumb tier list videos. We gotta prove em wrong

[onyx matrix]

Fuck all those meta poopiepants videos

[golden pollen]

We can be fine, but atm we won't be able to compete vs dh unless there's changes

Dh just kites better

If only heavy repercussions is useful...

[placid oar]

Hi guys, which tank deals the least dmg now in a M+ setting?

[golden pollen]

They are all about the same, maybe dh a bit ahead

Due to covenant

But if u always big pull and can coordinate

They can pretty much be similar

For tanking, it's better to find a tank that suits ur playstyle than going for numbers u less u want to aim to be that 1%

[strong forum]

Isnt bdk still terrible in dmg output

Even after the buffs?

[short parrot]

Is Venthyr Prot War bad? I want to be able to multi spec, but the Kyrian ability for Prot is too good

I just like the aesthetic of Venthyr more but dont want to be a shit tank because of covenant choice

[late bay]

i like smashing bosses

in raids with ven

[sweet summit]

not the best but playable

[restive flax]

So... I've been checking the damage on a bunch of trinkets I have (I never get the trinkets I want, but I got all of the shittier ones) and according to bloodmallet the Memory of Past Sins is supposed to be super good

But like... everytime I try it it barely does anything

[wheat sleet]

you can tank just fine as venthyr

[fierce tendon]

I mean trinks are only supposed to be like 5-7% of your dps, see if it falls in that category

also its a dps trinket vs a tank trinket so

[placid oar]

Ah I see, thank u

[restive flax]

Well, which of the tank trinkets is actually worth using though?

I still dont have the hakkar trinket

[woven kiln]

Bargast's Leash to troll your co-tank

Anima Field emitter seems ok

[fierce tendon]

I'm using Denathrius' trinket and I picked up the splintered heart of alar last night, was using anima field emitter

[woven kiln]

lots of the trinkets I've gotten so far are smelly

[restive flax]

I hate the kaelthas trinket

[fierce tendon]

its kind of bad but it has its uses

[restive flax]

like... its cool if you actually procc the effect and make use of it, but you shouldnt need to

[fierce tendon]

if you have a better field emitter use that

[tepid nest]

I'm using the anima field emitter, quite like it

[restive flax]

well, I only have the 184 anima field emitter

[fierce tendon]

its honestly crazy even at 184 over a dps trinket

[tepid nest]

My other trinket is the hook from nw, kinda garb

[fierce tendon]

just fromnthe haste for survivability

[restive flax]

I mean the anima field emitter is amazing, dont get me wrong

But I hate the way it proccs

When I use it I always have to lead a pull without charge because the damn thing proccs immediately when I hit charge

[fierce tendon]

yeah that usually happens to me lol

it procs pretty often tho

[restive flax]

yeah but... it still annoys me a lot

also I love the sanguine depths trinket 😄

The Decanter

[dense umbra]

does anyone use Naowh UI?

[dense pivot]

is it behind a sub

[tepid nest]

No but I really like it and want to try it

[restive flax]

i think it is behind a sub actually

[dense umbra]

it is yes

I can use amazon prime thing to get it

[restive flax]

I love how clean his plates are

they are so readable

[grave vigil]

he use elvui-mostly

i like it too. but i prefer Lui + plater.

[sick sentinel]

here's a prime example of what i'm on aboot (because i am canadian sorry eh) when i was saying about the WA coding thing.

[tepid nest]

Well, he does use elvui but to say it's just elvui would be disingenuous. It's very customised

[tepid nest]

As are his player profiles

[sick sentinel]

i went to sco stream because otk wasn't up and i wanted to be entertained in my off time, got sco and heard his addons was curious about them

so after joining the discord, and pulling up a wago.io thing he has, its got~~ over 1900~~ 1162 lines of code.
I learnt dos or whatever its called basic 2 i think? in grade 10-12, went to secondary for C+ VB J and networking learning how to do cat5 cable crimping and shit, but i wasn't 200 iq enough for it

If I had the know how of doing the coding, I would probably work on fixing lots of addons or writing complex WA strings

[dense pivot]

Idk how advanced WAs made, most of it probably addon generating code, you just plug in non trivial things here and there (probably)

it's not even code, just bunch of tables describing stuff

I wonder if there's a good doc on WA APIs

addon itself is very confusing

[sick sentinel]

honest to god though guys, if i could make any sense out of all that at all and work on them, that's what i'd be doing all day rather than watching streamer

[dense pivot]

https://github.com/WeakAuras/WeakAuras2/wiki

well, that's not much, but it's something

[sick sentinel]

it is what it is and that's not very much, but it's like that and that's the way it is

but no serious i will probably get kick out of reading that article and look into it a bit more.

[open monolith]

so we're all just going to boycott m+ next week, right?

inspiring and necrotic seems like a special kind of cancer

yogi

we went over this yesterday

weak auras involve no coding

would you please read the words people type to you and commit them to memory for once 😐

the import strings are generated by the addon so that you can literally copy and paste in order to share it.

if copy and paste is coding to you, then you have much bigger issues -_-

[woven kiln]

can inspiring packs still be slowed before the inspiring mob dies?

[open monolith]

depends on what Blizzard thinks "crowd control effects" means.

[woven kiln]

if 'no' then fml

[open monolith]

do bosses still apply Necrotic?

[sweet summit]

Yes

[open monolith]

yuck

[sweet summit]

Idk i didnt play inspiring on beta

[open monolith]

oh god and it's tyrannical

what a great week to level some alts 😄

okay so inspiring actually doesn't seem so bad

you can just CC that mob

[sick sentinel]

oh god

wtf is inspiring

do i even want to know

[open monolith]

several random mobs throughout the dungeon have a gold ring on them

those mobs provide a buff to all enemies within 15 yards

said buff prevents crowd control

[sick sentinel]

oh, right sock, nono, copy pasting weak aura's is no problem for me, i'm just a fucking idiot and wouldn't know how to modify it or scratch create one without a 1/3rd chance screwing the WA up

[torpid granite]

Y’all hear about addon drama

[sweet summit]

Yes

[open monolith]

that's because you've put 0 effort at all into learning how to use weak auras

editing weak auras ALSO isn't coding

it's adjusting drop down menus

and entering text into a field that is clearly labeled about what it does

ree

we've all heard about the 2 add on drama things

neither of them are particularly interesting

[torpid granite]

Coming in and reading you talk down to yogi isn’t really all the interesting either.

[open monolith]

I'm not talking down to anyone

stop trying to be a white knight without any context

[torpid granite]

I’m not white knighting anyone. Lol reread what you just typed.

[sick sentinel]

i have made my own weak aura's in the past i have proof

[open monolith]

read it just fine.

Tone isn't something communicated easily via text.

[torpid granite]

And you’re an idiot if you think it’s not condescending.

[sick sentinel]

they were not very good WA but it was an experiment to track wall, block and last stand

[open monolith]

Cool dude, thanks for coming in here and insulting random people you don't know

Very cool.

hey if it's a weak aura that works for you

[torpid granite]

Shh

[open monolith]

it's a good weak aura

have you tried looking at any of the all-inclusive weak aura packs?

[dense pivot]

tell me about addon drama, well if it's not someone just wanting some money, it's not drama for me

[open monolith]

Both Afenar and Luxthos make really solid ones for every class

[dense pivot]

if someone got mad because something happened then do tell

[open monolith]

some dude added a line of code to his add on which disabled and wiped the settings of another addon

apparently the 2 authors were beefing

The addon is called Altoholic.

[dense pivot]

oh nice

[worn bear]

it was altoholic and an RP addon

supposedly the damage was reversed

[dense pivot]

damn I thought that was about MDT

[open monolith]

nah.

[worn bear]

i dunno what happened to mdt

TRP3. that was it

[open monolith]

dude put all the data behind a paywall

[sick sentinel]

there was more drama over some kind of paid raid addon i think too

[open monolith]

some other dude gave out the data for free

[sick sentinel]

the guy was demanding payment for his addon

[torpid granite]

If you didn’t have a backup you lost your setup, some that were ongoing tweaks over a few years

[worn bear]

sheesh

[craggy harness]

just looking to confirm observation, you turn to block stavros' evasive lunge just as the cast ends, not before

[warm plinth]

It's basically Emissary of the Tides (the anti-CC/kick one) from Season 3 BFA, except I'm pretty sure CCs work for their full duration rather than PvP durations.

[sick sentinel]

can't be too tough then

[sweet summit]

if you do it before youll nuke melee

turn after he teleports behind you

[woven kiln]

rumbling earth underrated af

[bright current]

its good i just cant let go of storm bolt

[woven kiln]

aoe interupts tho

saved my bacon just now. top 15

[jagged pier]

but you have shockwave anyway

another stun is so good

[woven kiln]

they're both great

it's strange that RE is just never recommended

[bright current]

yeah its per dungeon/ encounter for me

[nova vector]

I assume you would use the shockwave conduit with Rumbling Earth?

[woven kiln]

I didn't but disturbe the peace would be the go-to yeah

you'd be spamming it

[amber herald]

It's a finesse conduit so you'd need to go the slot that changes phial to a HoT

if you're kyrian tank

[nova vector]

Aww true true

[bright current]

wait you guys arnt venthyr tanks...

lol

[amber herald]

Could go kleia but I'm not sure how much that changes things

[undone jacinth]

isn't the HoT phial soul bind perk insane

[amber herald]

I don't know honestly, never used it

I'd like to use shockwave conduit so hopefully

[open monolith]

Intimidating shout now causes all targets to cower in fear and silences all targets for 4 seconds afterward

[heady plaza]

im at 200 ilvl now and i feel like im hitting a wall when it comes to higher m+ keys. im struggling to keep aggro and live in the initial seconds of the pull in higher keys above 10+. either the dps isnt good enough and i can hold aggro and live. and then we dont time it. or the dps is good but im too shit to hold aggro. any tips

[open monolith]

a man can dream.

try pooling rage at the end of a pull

so you can start the next one with more mitigation up / revenge casts

that should completely fix your problem

[heady plaza]

ah ok

that seems like a good idea

so i should still open with tc though and then revenge?

like tc > revenge > ds

[open monolith]

yeah that should usually solidify aggro well enough

if a pack is about to die, save spear for the next pack, too

basically, don't use more than you need to on a dying pack, if those tools will be helpful for the next pack

it's super tempting to smash all your big dick deeps cooldowns as often as possible

but in m+, mastery comes in the form of preparing for the next pull

or just beg your hunter / rogue to tricks / misdirect you every single pull 🙂

[heady plaza]

thanks a bunch for the advice

ya i catch myself revenge spamming the spitefuls sometimes

i think its a bad habit from lower keys

if i have spear and ravager up, what would the typical rotation look like for big pulls?

[woven kiln]

If we're dreaming... pls give me heroic throw's silence back

[open monolith]

oh yeah don't use revenge on the spitefuls

build rage off the spitefuls

if you have both spear and ravager up at the beginning of a pull

BLAST EM BOTH

FUCK EM ALL

[astral crystal]

rumbling earth is probably not recommended as much because your group will prob have multiple aoe stuns

and stun dr is a thing

[open monolith]

if they come up with like, 1 or 2 adds up, save em for the next pull

yeah rumbling earth <<<<< storm bolt

[stuck oxide]

what does deflect mean ? do you deflect 100% of the dmg or only reduce it

[open monolith]

means it doesn't hurt you

[astral crystal]

no dmg taken

[stuck oxide]

ty

[open monolith]

but you don't send it back

[woven kiln]

I find the best use for more shockwaves is interupts, when people overlap and 4 kick at the same time, it's nice to have in the back pocket

[astral crystal]

shockwave is for resetting melee/casts pretty much

so you can set up SR for multiple spells

[open monolith]

having the extra interrupt alongside shockwave is more valuable than using shockwave a little more often, imo

[heady plaza]

ooh thanks interesting

[open monolith]

one thing to keep in mind is that shockwave stuns for a pretty small amount of time

so try to use Stormbolt on something first

you want your longest stuns used first, as shorter stuns are hurt less by DR than long stuns, basically

[jolly spindle]

[twin comet]

I haven't done a key yet this week and have never seen spiteful. Do you kill them or move on?

[jolly spindle]

prot warrior in torghast good again

u only need the pummel talent to win

[coral marsh]

its funny i play arms now for a bit and tanks cant hold aggro on pulls

[astral crystal]

cleave em down, after pulls just damage them a bit and let them die when they're low

[jolly spindle]

they can its just shit

[coral marsh]

i thought i sucked when i had to reaggro sometimes

[jolly spindle]

i just use the aoe taunt when i play prot

so i dont look like im trolling

[coral marsh]

thats every 4 min lol

[open monolith]

Stormbolt can be helpful on prideful spawns

[woven kiln]

just keep an eye on cds popping from dpsers

[open monolith]

to save your shit tier DPS and healers who can't run away from a simple ghost

[jolly spindle]

ye but people already use their burst during the first pull

[woven kiln]

strombolt can stun pride?

!!!!!!!

[open monolith]

sorry

i meant spiteful

[woven kiln]

ok fuck rumbling earth lol

[open monolith]

not prideful

[woven kiln]

oh

[open monolith]

that being said

fuck rumbling earth in general

you want stormbolt

i promise

[languid heath]

Quick question - I’ll likely tank nathria later because one of our tanks cant make it (I’m usually Arms). Do I need a cancelaura bladestorm macro for my signet?

[sweet summit]

you can still block/parry/dodge during it and cast defensive abilities so not really

its only if you need to move fast like use heroic leap or intervene/charge

or kick even

[languid heath]

Oh good, I wasnt sure

thanks!

[jade axle]

Do you guys pop consumes for mythic dungeons?

[jagged pier]

depends on the lvl

[open monolith]

if I'm pushing a key I care about in a group of people I trust, yes

if I'm pugging some nobody's key and they are all shitters anyway? no

[jade axle]

Gotcha

[steel mauve]

I use consumables, i usually just try to do every thing i can to make a run as smooth as possible on my part

[open monolith]

if I had more time to play in order to have gold to buy more consumables / farm the mats for em

definitely would use them all the time

[coral marsh]

not using flask and oil is just trolling

food ye who cares

[open monolith]

i mean

im not popping flask and oil in a +7 lol

if it's double digits, yes

[coral marsh]

if you have a reason to do a +7 you should

[open monolith]

nah

[coral marsh]

lasts for 2 hours anyways with alch and your main should be alch because of that

and oil is dirt cheap

[open monolith]

oil is giga cheap, yes, I don't mind using those

i have like 400 death blossom in my bags as it is

[coral marsh]

i now did a sd +11 intime as arms

it was like 10 times more chill than doing it with prot

[open monolith]

that's' because tanking is pretty toxic in shadowlands

honestly i think i have enjoyed tanking the least in SL compared to BFA / Legion

[coral marsh]

dps is literally chillout mode compared to tanking

[open monolith]

I am beginning to regret my decision to main a tank this expansion 😮

[coral marsh]

well it gets the job done to at least pug yourself to +12

good luck with that as arms

[open monolith]

nah, I don't get invites to anything higher than a 9 these days

[coral marsh]

then your gear sucks

[open monolith]

got behind on io since i don't play that much

my gear doesn't suck

it's 201. it's not amazing, but it doesn't suck

[coral marsh]

as a tank you can skip directly to +9 and then go fast to 12

doesnt compare to vgh tho who gets free +14 pugs

[open monolith]

VDH has literally everything

mobility, utility, damage, tankiness

My realistic predictions for the tuning pass for prot warrior:
Spell Reflect will be nerfed

That's it.

We will otherwise be untouched.

if I'm wrong I will eat some indian curry

and I hate indian curry.

[dense pivot]

should have said "I will eat my sock!"

[open monolith]

how dare you.

[jagged pier]

eyir socks

[gilded tendon]

🧦

[open monolith]

eyir hippo

well that is sad

[deep steppe]

[sick sentinel]

i was away for all christmas but what i understand about keys this week is trash spawns a boss like temple from vanilla invincible so it can't hurt you and you can't see it (jk) chases you

i did a 2 spires, but thats nothing

brb going to watch vid on it

[open monolith]

that's.. not what it does lol

it spawns a ghost that fixates and melees very hard.

the ghost can be damaged, CCd, everything

the ghost loses 8% of its hp per second.

[fervent kestrel]

I was so excited Prot was used by complexity until they said the only reason they did was because it was the easiest place to carry the shout buff. Oof, lol

[spare cobalt]

I get class held against me and I’m 1200 😦

[undone jacinth]

people pushing in to higher keys will obviously wanna be carried by a dh

but theres only a limited amount of tanks to go around

[sonic garden]

What would be considered a good parse?

[jagged pier]

85+

[undone jacinth]

doesn't really matter for prot as much but anything blue or over is fine

[sonic garden]

lit

[lusty grotto]

he should have asked for donations, this move was 500% bullshit

thanks @chilly brook btw

[sick sentinel]

oh, so if you just cc it right it dies in uh, 7-12 seconds?

[zinc pasture]

Can I rerun LFR 3 times to get 10 bosses for the vault?

[lusty grotto]

no

[zinc pasture]

Dang

[glass vector]

These loot drops are getting ridiculous, still no shield or legs drop...

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto

😂

[daring nacelle]

Does anyone have a clue how much i should value a socket vs ilvl ?

[sweet summit]

depends on the slot

[daring nacelle]

helmet

[worldly kiln]

fun crowd in M+8's today

[warm plinth]

Oof

[sweet summit]

like zero

[worldly kiln]

there's a certain anger that comes with something like that

enhancement shaman must know it well

[shell hare]

Lmao. I left a DOS9 with 3 melee and they whispered me calling me a stupid 600 io war bitch 💔

[warm plinth]

Better to be a stupid 600 io war bitch than a stupid 500 io war bitch, amirite?

[worldly kiln]

you said it best brother

I'm just pissed because i had literally no idea idiots thought prot warrior is bad

[worn bear]

i’m nice to enh shams because of this

[worldly kiln]

I plan to do the same

[frosty scarab]

Yeah, i get declined for some pugs because i play warr, and get whispered: y u no play vengeance dh like everyone else?

[woven kiln]

under like 17

spec doesn't mean shit

if it DOES mean something to you, you're crap

the best pug I ran into this week was a frost DK

[frosty scarab]

So far i am 100% certain i can do my m+s up to 15s /16s in time. I feel confident in my ability and skill pn pwarr👍

[woven kiln]

the 14-16 curve feels extremely aggressive

15s you have to do the kiting meta shit, it's yucky

[twilit siren]

Hello there. Because I’m confused with wowhead ice veins and noxxit. What’s our stat prior?????

[strong forum]

First of all, don't use noxxic

[fringe badger]

@woven kiln get agro and run around like a headless chicken while dps kill the mobs?

[strong forum]

2nd of all

Its " ilvl > haste > vers/crit > mastery"

[strong forum]

Yes, kiting is the bread and butter of every tank now

Go in, use your CDs, start kiting when you no longer have CDs

[fringe badger]

but how exactly do you "kite" while keeping them in-front of you to use shield block?

[strong forum]

That applies to every tank

[solar yarrow]

Yeah it’s pretty lame

[strong forum]

You don't

[solar yarrow]

You don’t

[fringe badger]

so just keep running around maintaining distance

[strong forum]

Yes

[solar yarrow]

You leap and run away for example

[strong forum]

Until you can go back in again, or until its dead

[fringe badger]

i assume that means if you have melee dps they will hate you.

[strong forum]

Ranged hate you more

[fringe badger]

lol

[strong forum]

Also

It's better to live, and time the key

Than die

:)

[solar yarrow]

You try to built threat before you kite

DPS should also be aware of their own threat

[strong forum]

Threat isn't really an issue

Even with kiting

[fringe badger]

but I'd still keep crackling thunder over bounding?

[strong forum]

I don't like crackling

I see now value in it

[solar yarrow]

I run bounding but just because I like it

[golden pollen]

Intervene is a good option for kiting as well if there's a far enough range or healer

[fringe badger]

would love Dragon Charge as well 😢

[warm plinth]

I knew i liked you

[fringe badger]

Probably one of my favorite abilities I don't get to use enough.

[golden pollen]

If we are allow to use two lego slot

Wouldn't the wall and TL makes prot more popular again?

Just sit there and face tank while clapping lol

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️ prot is only popular when it's #1 in something

If its not #1, it won't be popular

Best example was BFA, even when being the best m+ tank, it was still called the worst tank for raiding

:)

[golden pollen]

True

[strong forum]

And what does popularity matter

If not to just not get weird looks when playing the game

[golden pollen]

Being popular help does help getting into pug group

Sure being #1 helps more

But a more positive reflection in the community doesn't hurt

[sweet summit]

cant get kick from your own group

[strong forum]

it will never have a positive reflection unless its #1

like

pwar is the least popular tank unless its borderline broken

just by design people dont like it

[potent anvil]

How does one become popular?
I occasionally get declined even on 12s 😞

[golden pollen]

U can have a good portion of relative io ppl leave ur group or not que up at all

[strong forum]

good riddance then

people like that are often pretty bad at the game

ykno

[golden pollen]

It's pug tho

People do have choices