but you do kill the big packs at all the stairs
#protection
astral crystal
steady spruce
you'll have to kill at least one mask if not two, fucking up the prideful timers
steady spruce
i mean if you do it you're probably right
but i do it without killing everything and have perfect prideful for bosses so i don't see how your plan is possible ^^
steady spruce
unless you're skipping packs in hakkar corridor
steady spruce
do you kill the 2 south warlords?
astral crystal
steady spruce
hmm are the % off?
steady spruce
i do it like that to get cd on pink and green packs
green pack seems unachievable without cd
valid zodiac
Is MDT the only way you can track when Pride will spawn or?
astral crystal
i usually just blow CDs on pink and then spell reflect/coordinate interrupts/kite on green
steady spruce
i read something about " Mythic route guru" or something, might want to look into that as a replacement
astral crystal
not really a huge dealk
what trucks in green pack is the stupid little skeletons
they do an instant cast 12k nuke
shadow dmg
ranging works
astral crystal
stuns work on them also
steady spruce
what about Pink, then skip green, do mask dude, go back to green with CDs, go kill the raptors of blue pack, then have prideful for the 2 blues warlords
astral crystal
i guess, i just think it's better for time to only have to backtrack once
maybe better now that the timer is more forgiving
grizzled skiff
Just use Manbaby Dungeon Tools
steady spruce
is it just a copy paste of MDT? ^^
grizzled skiff
Was bound to happen.
steady spruce
btw on MDT i have a problem with the main map of Plaguefall is just a full green color, anyone with this problem?
grizzled skiff
steady spruce
what do you guys use to track group CDs?
sweet summit
zen tracker
sweet summit
ToS innit
undone jacinth
hasn’t been confirmed yet
feral heart
nah against eula and nty to supporting a manchild
undone jacinth
cmon bro
sweet summit
idk how it works
undone jacinth
be real
steel mauve
their website is useful and they arent holding people hostage over a virtual race
undone jacinth
yeah I get it u wanna make fun of the guy because he has mental issues
fact is he’s done good work and is entitled to be paid even if he’s going about it in a stupid way
can also just not update the add on
steel mauve
blizz has been clear on paywall addon usage as well, theres some kind of difference i dont understand in the apl for third party websites and addons that directly interact with the coding of wow to add stuff into the game for use
open monolith
Yes, I am.
undone jacinth
well then don’t whine about nnoggies morals or way of acting if yours are worse
open monolith
When have I ever
undone jacinth
right so you agree there’s nothing wrong with him asking for money for it, good
open monolith
yeah who cares. Just use the free one
sweet summit
its not, its just cringe as fuck the way it happened
steel mauve
he may has done great work, and i am ok supporting people whom i think deserve it, ive been a patreon for warcraftlogs and raider.io while i was using them in bfa, but i dont feel like i should be questioned for not wanting to support some one who's trying to charge people over an extremely idiotic reason
undone jacinth
but people doing all the manbaby stuff is equally as pathetic imo
just trying to hurt him
feral heart
I mean he's a manbaby, calling it as I see it
trim bay
Manbearpig
open monolith
I mean, is he though?
Have you ever had literally thousands of people bothering you to update a free thing you provide
while you're playing
while youre' streaming
while you're world first racing?
I bet you haven't.
steel mauve
ill most likely use the website personally, it will help a lot more having it on my second monitor than needing to open it up during the run, mythic guru or whatever it was
open monolith
Messaging you in game, in chat, in discord, all day long, constantly
I don't blame the guy for going off.
Entitled piece of shit community was being entitled little shits.
feral heart
nope but this just shines a light on something I thought about the dude for years. Idc. not here to argue tbh
undone jacinth
doesn’t matter what u thought about him, even if he’s a toxic animal there’s no reason to just act in a hurtful way towards him to try and make it worse
makes u an animal as well
undone jacinth
yeah majorly fuck him
feral heart
I dont get to have an opinion on the matter without being called an animal? nice.
open monolith
lol
feral heart
👍
open monolith
I had no knowledge of Preheet or Preheat, no attachment to either, don't even really play mage..... but I do love internet drama, so I made that reddit thread that was on the front page for 2 days about it... lol
I actually felt bad afterward.
undone jacinth
oh that was you? No way
grizzled skiff
You can be right about something on the internet all you want, you will get shittalked if you're being a dick about it. And nnoggie hit that nail on the head.
undone jacinth
that was probably the thread I read yesterday
it was so random how he would just like ignore previous contact and stuff, like psychopath stuff
that forged discord log actually made me laugh
open monolith
yeah. was pretty solid
sick sentinel
Is there i place i can look up addons method uses for raiding?
or any of the teams really
undone jacinth
limit just released their relo weak aura pack
undone jacinth
ERT and DBM/Wigs also
undone jacinth
ert is how you best track all raid cds and notes
open monolith
that's weak auras.
basically, weak auras does everything you could ever need an add on to do, you just need to find someone who created the import string for it :p
undone jacinth
dbm provides the main notifications in the middle, weak auras provide pretty much everything else, dbm does boss timers as well, then ert does raid cool downs
open monolith
except for make your UI pretty, it doesn't do that.
sick sentinel
i'm not a coder haxxorz
open monolith
you don't have to be
you go to wago.io/weakauras
you search for what you want
you click import string
and you paste it into the addon
done
sick sentinel
yeh, i just wish i was smart enough to code them myself or write addons
undone jacinth
WAs are very easy to learn
open monolith
if you take a few hours to watch a youtube video or just poke through the addon, you will find that coding them yourself really isn't too hard
it's just quicker to use premade ones
undone jacinth
once you get in to them you can make almost anything you want
steel mauve
just kind of mess with them
open monolith
Honestly, I like old weak auras (like legion) compared to current weak auras
sick sentinel
coding is, it all just looks like heiroglyphics to me man
steel mauve
i taught my self to make weakauras, i just started making random ones and then went off from there
open monolith
they made it more user friendly, but in doing so erased my knowledge of how to use it lol
sick sentinel
it's a complete another alien langauge to me
open monolith
it's not coding
undone jacinth
u don’t need to do any coding
open monolith
it's... choosing drop downs
steel mauve
most of the options are self explanatory, i just havent gotten much into functions
ya, like 95% of the weakauras you make you just do drop down boxes or type specific names into boxes
undone jacinth
there’s even a template/preset option that can do most stuff for you
sleek thorn
If you use Details, you can create weak auras right from the abilities box. Its best feature
steady spruce
Is grid the best group / raid UI addon for a non-elvui user? any alternative?
steel mauve
i still use shadowed unit frames
light quartz
Hey people, quick question, do you still need to delay using abilities when you are about to melee due to Devastator or is this a thing from the past?
open monolith
that is no longer a thing
steel mauve
thats not been a thing for a long time now
steady spruce
will look into that thank you
light quartz
sweet! thank you 😄
undone jacinth
there’s no way that existsed in mop
open monolith
well devastator didn't exist in WOTLK
so it wasn't then
wait did Devastator even exist before Legion
open monolith
okay so what that dude asked was never a thing
undone sun
Well no
open monolith
specific to devastator
i know that abilities resetting auto attacks was a thing
waaaaaaaay long ago
signal plover
There was a melee swing timer thing in legion
undone sun
It was a thing in early legion but only because of faulty calculations
signal plover
^
open monolith
oh, was it?
signal plover
Ended up being a non factor
open monolith
huh weird. I thought they got rid of that ages ago
signal plover
I mean legion was awhile back
onyx matrix
the talent was called sword and board @vagrant violet
there, you have it right there.
devastator on the other hand was added in legion.
open monolith
im not soak
I'm sock
and sword and board is not Devastator
you still have to press Devastate
man those old talent trees made me so happy
I like those so much more than the current
even if they are less interesting
onyx matrix
well I still miss it too, devasate did some damage too and it wasnt that bad to press either since it was used for sunder armor
undone jacinth
dunno why having tons of small changes you can make feels better than less more significant ones
PoE talent trees feel amazing but most of it doesn’t do anything
mighty valley
Imagine if they just stuck with the system and added two rows every expansion
undone jacinth
shoulda just added a new spec to every class instead ^^
steel mauve
wish they would add a mail wearing tank, or make enhance tank/split it off like druids cat and bear forms
undone jacinth
Hunter spec where they play as the beast and their Hunter is the pet
and the beast is a tank
bronze forge
is 10% haste too low for prot, 15/10/23/12 stats
steel mauve
technically any amount of haste is too low 😉
mighty valley
i mean, more is better but there's no "too low" level
bronze forge
haste vers drops so hard xD
mental scarab
Pvp have some Nice haste pices
strong forum
with pvp gearing is so free
mighty valley
the secret is - so does everyone else
torn mirage
Is haste rly necessary if you run raid with Into the fray ?
I'm up to 27-30~ish and think it might be "too much"
onyx matrix
Lol
undone jacinth
idk how people are looting so many items that they are always worried about haste
I’m lucky to get an item per raid night
placid oar
Hi guys, can I ask if anyone knows which setting actually allows me to see the crescendoes coming out from charged spears in Spires last boss area ?
I’m running settings 1 with most things disabled for that sweet 40fps on my MacBook Pro.
steel mauve
only took me half a dozen top's to get an upgrade, unfortunately it was the weapon and not shield
probably particles i think?
placid oar
I can’t see the effects and get hit by it many times. Struggling to find the setting for that
undone jacinth
projected textures is the setting that is often the culprit
but at settings 1 I’m not sure
placid oar
Ah I see, thank u dolphin. I will have to test it out
steel mauve
particle density is one of em but thats ground effects idk if it would count
placid oar
Thank u too iron, I will try it out as soon as I can
Appreciate it guys
Have a great day!
copper lion
the adds in DOS hit really hard, not sure which ones they are but it's with the shadowcore caster dude, they have like a diseases or poison that stacks? should I just be kiting these guys?
open monolith
imo, they need to separate that pull
make the raptors / skeletons separate from the casters
it's even harder than the worst pull in Spires
anyone else think left side spires is easier than right?
copper lion
probbaly easier in fort weeks
undone jacinth
I’ve been going left side since the second run I ever did
and I think spires is one of the easiest dungeons
undone jacinth
don’t have any problems with any pulls tbh
open monolith
well my pugs don't tend to use their interrupts
so i end up getting giga-cucked by everything that casts constantly
undone jacinth
the only major spice is the Goliath at the top of the skip steps, who just chain casts fists for some reason
open monolith
I skip all 3 pulls on the stairs leading to the 3rd boss
don't even bother with it
signal plover
Mmk
torn mirage
You can LOS the goliath and go right by the stairs, he keeps casting but no one gets hurt
open monolith
yeah you can ignore that goliath when you pull that pack
he just stands still
out range him
or, alternatively, just skip that pack entirely
torn mirage
And I see what pack you mean in DoS, I got one shotted twice, broke my pug spirit here and there
feral heart
charge that Goliath and kick him if you really want to pull it together
open monolith
and he only chain casts fist because he is standing in an anima pool
feral heart
just move him out of the pool
open monolith
if you kick it he moves out of it and won't chain cast anymore
undone jacinth
I’ve moved him literally down the stairs
where there’s nothing
and he’s still casting
undone jacinth
yeah I do that now
open monolith
skip all 3 on those steps 😮
I pull extra on both sides of the 1st boss
like I'll pull all the kitties + the robot on right side
then go left
undone jacinth
yeah same
steel mauve
if you pull that pack though and kill the other 2 and skip goliath you remain in combat until you wipe or he dies
torn mirage
the jump is risky
undone jacinth
u definitely can because our rogue wasted a minute showing the priest how to do it instead of just shrouding like I asked
very fun
open monolith
im like 99% sure you can't jump up that ledge without sap / soothe / paralysis / imprison
without pulling it
open monolith
just like your magic chain-casting golem 😮
mighty valley
i've seen people do it, never been able to do it myself, i dunno if it's possible that it's easier for some character models
swift rose
It can be done without CC it’s finicky and not reliable. Warlock gate or the CC’s mentioned above are preferable
mighty valley
but also my wife is a rogue so... I can just skip
open monolith
i need to find a video of where you can make that jump without getting too close, clearly
swift rose
I was unaware monk paralysis works. I’m assuming you soothe / cc the far right one by the jump? Typically have shaman ank or warlock gate past
fossil vapor
guys prote have a 20% haste cap like the others spec?
sweet summit
no
open monolith
you have to use monk paralysis + ring of peace to bump him away
ionic fern
undone jacinth
monk para will give combat
swift rose
Ahhhh ty sock
mighty valley
ring of peace not aggroing is so funny
swift rose
You can max range para without combat I think
open monolith
correct
mighty valley
just three mobs bouncing around and not giving a shit
undone jacinth
I meant going past it
swift rose
Also yes ring of peace is the best monk meme
undone jacinth
u don’t get combat by using it
open monolith
just have your entire group run straight through them
and use shadowmeld
god i miss being alliance 😦
undone jacinth
same especially as DH
open monolith
i should have just stayed alliance
the 2 RL friends that we went horde for never play with us
mighty valley
remember in the beta when people said everyone was gonna have to be venthyr to skip packs
open monolith
lole yeah
sleek thorn
Yepp
undone jacinth
dungeons way more on rails than expected I think
chilly brook
I thought paralysis got you in combat
sleek thorn
It does
undone jacinth
It does
sleek thorn
If you get into aggro range
undone jacinth
Not using it tho
open monolith
it's not sap
like, just USING paralysis isn't combat
but you can't walk by something paralyzed
unless you ring of peace bump it away 🙂
swift rose
Right the trick is max ranging the paralysis so the mob doesn’t body pull
undone jacinth
in which case u can usuallly just rop without para anyway
open monolith
theyll run back into the ring repeatedly
and eventually back into position
paralysis keeps em bumped away 😮
it's just one more way to skip
delicate latch
I am finding it difficult to hold threat on all mobs when running with dps who have good AoE damage. ST is fine but groups are hard to maintain my threat
waxen cradle
Is the whole be a subscriber to Nnoggies channel/Patron to use any of his mob placement data for Mythic Dungeon Tools a actual thing is or that a bug ?
steel mauve
an actual thing
waxen cradle
but couldn't someone who already had it just share it ?
daring nacelle
About how many ilvls are a socket worth ?
lavish oracle
I'm just gonna not update my MDT
pretty sure premium versions of addons are against ToS anyways
The Wago version still has mobs in it too
tepid nest
but couldn't someone who already had it just share it ?
Yes and they have
I can also share 3.3.4 with people if they need it
The last working version before the change
waxen cradle
cool
lavish oracle
What an idiotic way to burn away any of the good will the community had
like, maybe good will isn't enough to pay the bills but this is the obvious conclusion of creating a pay wall
open monolith
¯_(ツ)_/¯
valid scaffold
Is Necrolord any good for prot war? the Banner sounds really strong
main jewel
Im learning to tank as protect
feeling fine doing M+s in +8-9 even without conduits and etc
main jewel
But im kinda clueless about how my damage should be looking
im doing 2.2/2k overall
is that bad?
open monolith
that's like, normal overall if you're pugging with people you don't trust and are spamming ignore pain constantly
it's low if you're in a coordinated group
basically means you're not using revenge enough
main jewel
oh i see
so basically i just spam revenge if i think im not going to die
thats our gameplay
open monolith
keep shield block up when you can
use ignore pain if your shit is being pushed in
spam revenge.
and by spam i mean
use it according to priority
valid scaffold
damn i love the necrolord xmog
lavish oracle
I kinda like Night Fae
valid scaffold
its respectable
lavish oracle
the Kyrian one fits paladin, but I'm sorta mixed about it on warrior
open monolith
Kyrian shoulders and helm are doodoo
main jewel
Can i do 3k overall even if im running legendary-less and with Venthyr? lmao
open monolith
everything else is fine
lavish oracle
Oh, no, probably not
open monolith
Nah, venthyr sucks for prot damage in dungeons
lavish oracle
Legendary won't affect your DPS much but venthyr vs NF/Kyrian will
Spear is so much of my damage
open monolith
what if I told you
that spear is only like... a little bit behind condemn
in single target
and eclipses it in AOE 🙂
open monolith
yeah condemn is awesome
open monolith
but you wanna know what feels REAL good as prot?
Demo shout (booming voice), Avatar, Spear
big pumpers.
open monolith
Let the man Fury
lavish oracle
but the 4% damage buff, though
tepid nest
Seems to me like thinderlords should give us at least a bit of a boost in damage
Don't have it yet so can't say
But if you're running booming voixe
open monolith
thunderlords is a significant damage boost when running booming voice and using it on CD, yes
strong forum
Yes, it's the legendary that will increase your dmg the most
lavish oracle
It's a little boost, tbh
strong forum
And one of the only ones at that
lavish oracle
but yeah, a boost
valid scaffold
soo just to confirm, if i go necrolord as prot war and i want to do 10-15 keys. Im trolling my group? or just not min maxing? i just see 1 prot war necrolord with 12-15 keys done in 200 ppl
strong forum
It's the worst covenant to choose, but it won't stop you from doing 15s
open monolith
you could do 10-15 keys with no covenant
strong forum
But it's a group effort, not just you alone
valid scaffold
i mean i have an exelent Hpal and 2 really good MM hunters , and my unholy dk is gearing atm
strong forum
Classes don't define the skill of a group
But if they're good, then it wont stop you to do 15s
valid scaffold
i know they are really good players and they love me irl
open monolith
if your heart is like, 100% set on going Necrobad, go for it.
but it's certainly not as good as other options
lavish oracle
Yeah, like, 10-15, don't worry about it
strong forum
But yeah, necro is a dps and survivability loss compared
main jewel
What should my HPS look at
strong forum
No
strong forum
Hps is an irrelevant metric
For everything
If you never use shieldblock and only spam IP, you can pad HPs
If you're in a low dmg environment your HPs will look differently than in high dmg environment
It's nice to look at, but quite irrelevant
main jewel
Is healer HPS worth something?
i usually just do damage dont care bout this stuff lmao
open monolith
^
main jewel
if im dying and heals is at 1.6k something is wrong right
Tried to do first pull on a +9 dos whole pack and i got shat on
strong forum
Ah
main jewel
popped every cd there is
strong forum
The beauty of DoS
Everytime people come in with issues
It's always DoS
First or 2nd back
main jewel
DoS is usually pretty ok
strong forum
These are the 2 most dangerous pulls in the game
open monolith
yep
strong forum
Yes as dps you don't have a care in the world
spare cobalt
Those packs suck
open monolith
DoS and Spires trash will make you feel like you are a shit tank
the truth is
blizzard is bad at mob and dungeon design
open monolith
most of spires is fine
just like most of DOS is fine
they both have like 1 or 2 pulls that can be rough
spare cobalt
After Hakkar you’re big chillin
strong forum
DoS is the 2 first pull.
The first pull you use Lust and Everthing
spare cobalt
Before hakkar fml
open monolith
I always have my groups lust the 2nd pull 😮
strong forum
Then you won't have it for hakkar
open monolith
but yeah maybe lusting first pack and just dipping on 2nd pack is the play
true.
depending on how slow or fast your group is 😉
if you're shit enough, you can have lust for every boss!
spare cobalt
I’ve tried to just skip second pack
And go to hakkar
Then they can’t kill that last pack even
neat dirge
how much is ilvl worth
strong forum
spare cobalt
And that’s a wipe insta
strong forum
Alot Surewin
open monolith
ilvl itself is worth nothing.
neat dirge
@strong forum ur pro help me, 200 ilvl bis stats or 207 ilvl worst stats
open monolith
the strength and stam that comes with it.....
strong forum
207
open monolith
🙂
neat dirge
ok thx
strong forum
Sadly
spare cobalt
I have a 17 DOS waiting for me
neat dirge
ty man
spare cobalt
And I don’t wanna do it
open monolith
literally only 2 hard packs in DOS
strong forum
My group decided to chain Int 2nd and 3rd boss
open monolith
get em done and then you're good
open monolith
lol what did they do
spare cobalt
Lol
open monolith
it was that cunny fellow, wasn't it
strong forum
Cunny always ints
open monolith
man I love 3rd boss
strong forum
But it was legit everybody at times
spare cobalt
@strong forum do you try to hold stand or wall for that second pack?
open monolith
Explosive Contrivance? more like Explosive Minor Inconvenience
spare cobalt
I am scarred for life
strong forum
Well SW you shouldn't need on first pack
open monolith
you're weird. I think that first pack is like, only half as bad as the 2nd pack
I don't touch SW for first pack at all
spare cobalt
Yeah it’s mostly just depended on how fast they can kill it
strong forum
Aren't we all
open monolith
or when you charge in to the Shadowcore mob
not realizing that your back is now to everything else
and die instantly
🙂
open monolith
intervene out
spare cobalt
Do you mouseover your intervene?
spare cobalt
I’m so not used to it
open monolith
i don't play bounding
spare cobalt
It fucks up
spare cobalt
When I need it the most
open monolith
there's a reason..
strong forum
Bigger tclap..
open monolith
that's the one
spare cobalt
Cause I’m facing the wrong way or some dumb shit
strong forum
Big whoop...
Intervene doesn't need facing any way
You can just charge
No matter the direction
tepid nest
I've found myself sometimes charging and ending up on the other side of the mobs, anyone experienced that?
strong forum
I've found myself sometimes charging and ending up on the other side of the mobs...
Hitboxes
Big fun
spare cobalt
Maybe my aim is just awful lol
open monolith
yeah that happens sometimes
strong forum
Ye charging can fuck you over real quick
Or your friendly boomy knocking the enemies
Behind you
:)
spare cobalt
And wake last boss for some reason has had us rip 2 15s in the last 10%
strong forum
Wha
spare cobalt
It’s so sad
open monolith
wake last boss is the easiest part of wake
spare cobalt
Yeah I KNOW
open monolith
😐
spare cobalt
first one
Someone dropped the debuff on everyone
Cause he didn’t realize that was a mechanic
Second one two boys died in the gauntlet
So sad
open monolith
you can die in the gauntlet? o.o
spare cobalt
They find a way man
open monolith
So just so we're clear
you have people you play with
who can get to the end of NW 15
with time to spare
but also die to the banish gauntlet?
spare cobalt
Yes
open monolith
that is a unique person.
spare cobalt
Lmao 1 death all dungeon no items ripped
15 curse is real
Cause I think people want it so bad they tunnel too hard
open monolith
yeah
spare cobalt
And just do some things you wouldn’t even see in 10s
open monolith
I have always pugged +15 by the end of 2nd week
but uh, not happening this season
SL keys feel significantly harder than past expansions
spare cobalt
Tbh I feel like you could do it no comms except wake
open monolith
maybe it's just me, but I certainly feel that way
spare cobalt
Cause the items take a lot of coordination
open monolith
i could easily do +15 Mists
but that requires getting a +15 mists
or being invited to a +15 mists
and neither of those things will happen for me 😄
or a 15 halls. that dungeon is a joke too
spare cobalt
I pugged with this guild group
And this mage hunter arms war did so much damage
But didn’t kick a single thing
Like 8 kicks at the end of a 14 sanguine
open monolith
oof.
open monolith
did you educate them about interrupts?
spare cobalt
I thought it was kinda funny
So we 2 chest their 13 mists after
Got a 15 halls OK we got this ez
The sheer amount of little sin weapons that came from the caster on shards
open monolith
Sanguine*
spare cobalt
Was a sight to see
open monolith
sin weapons are in sanguine
tepid nest
I like to passive aggressively post the interrupts at the end of s dungeon
spare cobalt
There’s little adds too in halls
tepid nest
If the DPS did fuck all
open monolith
the sin collectors summon spirits
open monolith
i wouldn't call them weapons :p
open monolith
yeah i always save pummel / storm bolt / shockwave specifically for that mob
because it sucks ass if it doesn't get inerrupted
spare cobalt
Yeah I learned that day lmao
If I got upset about ripping things I’d be pretty upset. But pugging and finding new ways to wipe is honestly pretty funny
tepid nest
Why lightless force and not celestial guidance?
Seems to me that celestial guidance offers offensive and defensive benefit
steady aspen
Somthing is wrong, 3 dps left when i came as Last spot on myth+. 3 dif gruop and all said they dont wanna Come because warr tank. 197 ilvl and around +6 dung
lavish oracle
Oh, that's weird
tepid nest
Just muppets
lavish oracle
no issue with +6 groups
chilly brook
@tepid nest it simmed higher that's why lol
open monolith
"MUH FAVORITE STREEMER / TIER LIST SAYS WARR BAD L O L E"
meanwhile, they are a gray and green parsing mouth breather
chilly brook
They're both good enchants
lavish oracle
I've had no problem pugging into anything below a 10, anything above 10 I usually run with a coordinated group
lavish oracle
I like the runs where I have like 1 minute+ shield wall
grim nova
Hey ya'll, anyone else know why Signet of Tormented Kings legendary does not work with Protection using Ravager?
lavish oracle
no clue, we're pretty sure it's because Prot doesn't have bladestorm baseline
but no one is sure if it's a bug or intended
oak heart
Hi guys, I have a quick question about mists, the maze is there a priority order on the shapes? for example circle>filled>leaf
woven kiln
bladestorm used to be so stupidly fun as prot when it was baseline. Back in wod or mop or something
lavish oracle
I don't know how you mean, Aidy
grim nova
but no one is sure if it's a bug or intended
got it. hmm. Seems like such an oversite
chilly brook
Hi guys, I have a quick question about mists, the maze is there a priority order...
no priority
you pick the one that doesn't belong
grim nova
huge bummer tho. I'll def report it since it makes the leggo pointless for prot
lavish oracle
@oak heart You have to pick the one that has a characteristic that none of the others share
chilly brook
So if they're all different shapes but only one has a circle it's the circle one
oak heart
no priority
There has been many times where they all are completely different
lavish oracle
that's probably not true
chilly brook
Or if they're all outlines but one is filled in it's that one
It's literally like an IQ test tbh
bet right off the bat
chilly brook
I'm not saying it's an IQ test to be disparaging btw it's just one of the things they do for IQ tests
tall mural
Hakkar trinket when ??? sadface
lavish oracle
you need to make a literal blood sacrifice to get that trinket
shell hare
Does signet work for ravager as prot? Is it because it’s replacing bladestorm?
It’s not*
grim nova
it doesnt' work. I just asked that above actually. Make sure to bug report it and provide feedback so it gets fixed/changed.
hardy radish
my dumb ass has just been spamming IP on the last boss of NW because I thought that was an unblockable spell cast :))))
🤡
hardy radish
I was over here like "gee I wonder why spell reflect doesn't work. oh well"
because in the same exact dungeon there is a boss that casts a spell that is normally reflectable but you can't reflect his necrotic bolt
for some reason
so I just try not to ever use any kind of logic while playing
CLEARLY that would just be too broken so they nerfed it, meanwhile you can reflect ToP final boss's tankbuster back on her for like 15k on a +6 key
tepid nest
Oh wait, it's blockable?mm
Why would that be blockable, so unintuitive
Is there a list somewhere maybe, of stuff that's blockable that you think ought not to be?
shell hare
What other spells are reflectable? Reflecting the spell against the last boss in top feels good
barren torrent
Is there a list somewhere maybe, of stuff that's blockable that you think ought ...
Last pinned message :)
oak heart
There's a practice tool on this page
Thanks, I checked it out but the healer just solod the "puzzle" while we were in combat 😛
shell hare
@oak heart you should try dragging mobs to stones to figure it out or Atleast stand on a stone to help the healer figure it out
wicked lantern
I just stand on a stone til someone else figures out the puzzle.
undone jacinth
really doesn't matter
highmountain tauren if you really wanna min max but I picked pandaren for thicker thighs
just abandoned two sanguine depths keys, completed a depleto version of it, got necrotic wake, did that, then got SD again
pls let us reroll keys :((((
tepid nest
Ahh really? Didn't know that one
west coyote
anyone know any good prot warrior streamers to watch?
sweet summit
nomeratur and sense
tepid nest
Pika, sense both stream high level keys
west coyote
thanks i’ll check em out
tepid nest
Shuib, the #1 rio prot warr streams also but he multiclasses quite a lot I beliece
woven kiln
nnbjk,k , bvny
true
hardy thicket
So sorry, my son apparently got to my laptop
hallow phoenix
just grab the buff before you start the key
Which buff in SD?
hallow phoenix
Didn't know that persisted through key start
amber herald
shrooms in mists are the same
distant socket
Spell damage hitting like a truck in higher keys with fortified 😄
astral crystal
didnt get a single invite to 14s today
love blizzard
love world of warcraft
:^)
and some hunter chud from azralon got blasted off the platform in dos today and told me to "stop trolling"
alright man
god i hate mythic plus
jade axle
Does the amount of trash needing to be cleared change by mythic level?
I.e does the same amount need to be cleared on +2 as +10
sweet summit
same count needed on all key levels
jade axle
Is there somewhere i can see the optimal route for each mythic or is it still being worked out
Finished a few with 3% trash left
placid latch
mythictrap.com is pretty good for stuff like that
jade axle
👌 cheers lads
zinc pasture
sturdy sable
Prots survival is good and the damage is fine
Really depends on your definition of better
Tanks are more give and take
But at 20s your not gonna be given much time to actuslly do the damage
In lower keys prot can stand and fight longer then veng so it stands to reason you can do more damage
strong forum
nobody is at that point yet
sturdy sable
Naw let him reroll veng
strong forum
every tank is kiting and dipping
the thing that makes you deal dmg, you cant play in high keys
aka SPB
sturdy sable
^
sturdy sable
Def think pwar is gonna see play
strong forum
nobody is pushing high enough keys to where you need the tank dmg
will take a while
nova rover
Bladedancer's Armor Kit trinket any good?
strong forum
the worst trinket in the game
sullen drift
why we cant reflect bolt from amarth?
strong forum
thats 2nd boss from necrotic wake right?
cuz it doesnt only target the tank (you)
you can reflect it
but it targets the entire party at random
not just the tank
opaque hearth
Now that you guys had a lot of time to play with Thunderlord, and The Wall, which one do you prefer?
uneven mason
TGV in M+ The Wall in raid, it hasn't changed
opaque hearth
Yeah, I figured that, but some people were saying the wall felt better all the time.
shrewd geode
Hey Is there like a % requirement for stats for tanking?
Like do i need a certain % of Vers?
fallow mortar
nope
shrewd geode
Is there a recommended amount? O.o
sweet summit
nope
sweet summit
yep
shrewd geode
Ok so ima type up 2 stat blocks and can you guys tell me which is better and why?
sweet summit
sure
shrewd geode
Crit 17%
Haste 20%
Mastery29%
Vers5%
Parry19%
Block27%
OR
Crit 13%
Haste 15%
Mastery 17%
Versatility 17%
Parry16%
Block23%
sweet summit
the one with the most haste unless you dropped ilvl
sweet summit
tank gearing 101
ilvl is king
shrewd geode
ok got it
sweet summit
necks, rings and trinkets dont follow that rule 100%
shrewd geode
LOL i think this is insane btw u guys making my day
oh ok
So what Rings do i want on? O.o
half latch
in Necrotic Wake, what is the strat to deal with the 3 caster + mini boss between boss 1/2
sweet summit
skip or use items
fallow mortar
there is a anima ball next to a depowered golem. It will interupt in an aoe and is necessary to have in the fight. After that, probably use shield wall
sick sentinel
i have question about legendaries
when do the higher item level shoulders or whatever come into play, i assume that is for when u upgrade
shrewd geode
I have two pvp rings one is a 93 vers 54 haste ring thats ilvl 184 as well as a 80 vers 67 mastery ring thats also ilvl184 but i have 4 other ilvl 203 rings stats on ea are (Ring1 -127 haste 50mast) (Ring2-53crit/124mast) (Ring3-108crit/56mast/28leech)(Ring4 115mast/49haste) Should i still use my ilvl 184 rings or are one of the 4 other rings a better option? O.o (Using Stat block 1)
sick sentinel
so, do i have to start at a 190, then go to 207 or whatever is next
sick sentinel
okay, well, i am going to make a thunderlord should it be hate/crit? is for m+ likely
sweet summit
haste vers
fallow mortar
so, do i have to start at a 190, then go to 207 or whatever is next
you can craft a level 4 legendary right now if you never spent your soul ash
sick sentinel
oh, no, i spent it all, or i didnt collect it
uneven mason
in Necrotic Wake, what is the strat to deal with the 3 caster + mini boss betwee...
That pull is not hard if you have DPS who can pull the finger out of their butts long enough to hit interrupts
half latch
true
sick sentinel
i never played legion at all, so this legendary crap is completely new to me
uneven mason
Infact none of those packs are challenging if you can keep necrotic bolts and the bleeds from being applied.
the stacking bleed is what wrecks me ever ytime
sweet summit
that pack is scary no matter what you do unless you skip it really
sweet summit
want those for upstairs after boss most likely
lusty ember
So uhh. Just took a disc priest on a +7 and he absolutely shat the bed. Is the spec even playable in grevious week? Anyone had results? My druid healer isn't around for the holiday :((
lusty ember
Probably avoid or lean on him to go holy then. that sucks
tepid barn
Try a couple /spit on him, see if he toughens up
shrewd geode
Ok so
@sweet summit
Did you mean
Ring 1 from the 4 203ilvl rings
or ring 1 from the pvp rings lol
astral orbit
Yo I got a question, ilvl 203 i'm trying to push higher keys now, but a healer told me I am taking more damage than I should as a prot tank
How do I maximize mitigation in mythic+
sweet summit
(Ring1 -127 haste 50mast) and (Ring4 115mast/49haste)
get a higher ilvl shield, kite during SB downtime, use SW to fill SB downtime dont just sit on it
astral orbit
And prio haste over vers
sweet summit
prio ilvl over both of those tho
astral orbit
Could you check out my IO? For my ger
Gear
My IG name is Danoski
I don't know, just feels like i'm doing something wrong
shrewd geode
LOL my mastery is 34%
fallow mortar
is there a setting that allows runs to be logged?
or do I have to do it in warcraft logs?
fallow mortar
ty
sweet summit
and youre good
shrewd geode
Does prot not have Devestate anymore?
astral orbit
It's a passive
shrewd geode
OH
astral orbit
You spec into it making it a passive
astral orbit
No devestation spam
sweet summit
thats the priority yeah
you can revenge>thunderclap for dps if youre not taking too much damage
or you need to grab aggro
astral orbit
What rotation do I do on trashpacks?
shrewd geode
LOL sheet ok i gotta run a normal dungeon
astral orbit
Always on CD?
shrewd geode
Yo Erga Ty for all the help btw ik my questions are prob asked a lot
Ty for dealing with me lol
sweet summit
unless the pack is already dead yeah
most of this is covered in the guide
but yeah
no worries
sleek thorn
Trying to improve isn't stupid
woven kiln
last gazelle
The Wall is arguably the best legendary for raid, right?
last gazelle
Would I go ravager or UF for reducing the CD even more on wall
sweet summit
Would I go ravager or UF for reducing the CD even more on wall
still ravager for m+ ItF for raid
and uf doesnt affect the wall cdr
woven kiln
it does... some damage
sweet summit
a tiny bit 👀
fallow mortar
ya, spell reflecting that scythe always makes me tingle a bit inside
river basin
I apologize if this is posted somewhere but is there a guide or post anywhere about what spells can be spell reflected? Just got back to the game and the WA that I used in BFA hasn’t been updated for SL
sweet summit
pins
river basin
Thank you! Even looking at it I almost missed the link!
heady plaza
What are the 2 best trinkets for m+ tanking?
sweet summit
probably anima field emitter and blood splattered scale
heady plaza
Thanks :)
tribal turtle
Can some1 explain to me why all the high key running tanks use ravager, is it just for the dps or does i also gain more rage from it for everything else?
sweet summit
more dps more rage
undone jacinth
both
tribal turtle
Kk just started going into 11-12s and havent looked up any new things, basically spam it on cd ?
sweet summit
ye
undone jacinth
use on pull and go from there
tribal turtle
Thank you guys
sick sentinel
crafted 190 gloves haste versa thunder lord and I have shoulders the wall also haste versa 190 made
sick sentinel
I don't even want to know lol
woven kiln
the healing requirements are astronomical
modern brook
rav bolster wall/tlords
woven kiln
M+: The wall + Rav + Bolster
Raid: The wall + unstoppable force + Anger management
sweet summit
UF 
sick sentinel
I heard nomer was using wall and unstoppable force I think and anger mastery
sick sentinel
say he get sw down to between 45s and 1 minute
and I think sh wall lasts for 10 seconds so i don't know total up time like 1/6th or more but could be big
oh maybe he said he was trying wall at one point but swapped I don't want to put words in his mouth
sweet summit
i dont remember exactly
minor sparrow
wall or tlord feel better in m+
sick sentinel
because I recall he said it wasn't reliable for hitting the CD when you really need it so that it was clunky or something
woven kiln
I think later in the tier AM + UF might be the most consistent choice. The better gear we have the more rage we're dumping per minute, boosting SW uptime. At the moment, bolster feels like the more consistent choice for blanket AM, and the rage from rav is the cherry on top
sick sentinel
wall is useless if you are like me and never click sh wall to begin with
woven kiln
lol
modern brook
well w/ am u replace ls uses with it tbh
like where u need the bolster to cover your sb downtime
so you'll be forced into pressing it much more
sweet summit
shield wall is such a good cooldown as well
sick sentinel
I just don't think there is s better survival button than last stand
sweet summit
50% damage reduction? yes please 🥺
sick sentinel
with bolster. Ithat damn button never not off cooldown
modern brook
@sweet summit have you had 100% uptime wall yet? (in torghast)
sweet summit
i have not
usually just take big dam
or meme shit like extra talents
cos why not
woven kiln
ST dps powers with a few passice healing ones seems the safe route in there
bloody boring though
sweet summit
ye it blows
modern brook
on proc damage has been most consistent in my experioence
you never die in solo regardless
and prot animas are such that you'll basically alays get something for more dr without trying to
uneven mason
<@!165864577760755712> have you had 100% uptime wall yet? (in torghast)
No reason to wall after the damage nerf in 8th floor, literally just take all the damage you can and plow floors
modern brook
yeah but its funny
marble cipher
i know normally ilvl > stats for gearing, but i have literally the worst stats vs literally the best stats and i feel bad using them
undone jacinth
doesn’t matter
marble cipher
and im already low on vers -.-