IP is a defensive rage spender
#protection
sweet summit
chilly brook
If it swings you block
paper coral
You can use spell reflect during the cast, right?
sweet summit
yes
chilly brook
If it does damage and it's damage that will actually hurt you, IP
sweet summit
but not after the cast is finished
chilly brook
If you're not taking that much damage just revenge
jade axle
And I guess use tank notes to work out which ones are blockable and ignorable
chilly brook
Also some of the mobs do swings that look like melee abilities but can be reflected iirc like the shambler looking dudes in PF
Well Ignore Pain is an augment to your kit
jade axle
Aight cuz I've basically been using shieldblock on cooldown once it drops off
chilly brook
You just press IP to help further smooth out damage
jade axle
I'm only just starting to look at mythics
Joined my first mythic 0 as tank and healer ditched after first boss
serene valve
shuib was solid today, made it to top 10 tank IO and only 204 ilvl
tepid barn
Merry Christmas boys, does blizz still put presents under a tree in org like they used to??
dense pivot
yes?
tepid barn
Thanks bud, first Christmas in wow since wrath
kindred warren
It’s um tormented kings right
sharp void
If he uses it it's propably because its set not updated on io right?
Cause that's more a dps leggo
kindred warren
Yeah as of right now the two best is “the wall” and thundering something for prot
left cave
and m+ mostly the thundering better?
kindred warren
Yeah
left cave
how fast can shout be off CD?
kindred warren
Demo?
left cave
like how fast can shout be off cooldown when using the lego
kindred warren
Up to 4.5
kindred warren
Use thunder clap
open monolith
reading the last 5 comments just gave me a stroke
TL makes thunderclap remove 1.5 seconds off of the cooldown per target hit, up to 3 targets, for a maximum of 4.5 seconds per use of thunderclap.
^ this is how you construct a sentence.
Merry Christmas
dense pivot
you too sock, you too
bleak chasm
Boys, got a question: what's a good leggo for prot tanking and arms pvp--if there is one.
hallow phoenix
There's no leggo that meets both of those criteria
I believe unhinged is what you want in pvp
bleak chasm
Yeah, kinda what I suspected. Just wanted to see if I was missing anything.
strong forum
#1 war on raid io uses it but not sure if thats more raid?
hes using it cuz hes arms main in raid and focusing on that
hes merely not crafted prot legendaries
he is prolly venthyr aswell
wait lmao he isnt
wtf
hes just inting then
Goes to show how R1 rio doesn't mean shit
*currently
cinder nova
Shows it's probably more about skill than leggo for tanking
open monolith
Kyrian is poggers for M+ arms 😮
green fjord
for someone whos only been dps, arms/fury, where the best place to learn prot. kind of interested in tanking keys for maybe an easier time getting into groups
the rotation and abilities we have seem pretty straight forward and i dont have many binds so
strong forum
pwar requires alot of binds compared to other classes
left cave
what do i do if i cant keep aggro
thats the only downsided im seein to prot, agro is bad
open monolith
that's a you problem, not a warrior problem
left cave
oh?
open monolith
make sure you're opening with Tclap and likely revenge
use spear early
if the pack is almost dead, save spear for the next pack
use ravager
tab target and spread your shield slams around
don't just solo focus one target
remember that taunt increases all threat generated by 300% while the debuff is active, it isn't just a "come here" button.
green fjord
so whats a good talent choice for M+? im assuming youd use ravager simply bc of the rage gen
green fjord
it is awesome isnt it lmao
open monolith
green fjord
hahahaha been a while since ive seen that
stormbolt or the shockwave talent? seems shockwave talent would be better, but maybe with spiteful stormbolt is good
green fjord
true yeah
open monolith
plus it's a solid 4 second stun
green fjord
on single target what would our rotation look like? still use thunderclap?
i shouild prob start by reading the wowhead article lol
open monolith
Avatar on CD, Demo shout (booming voice on CD)
shield slam on CD
Tclap on CD
Revenge Procs
green fjord
always have a sheild block up?
open monolith
Revenge if extra rage an nothing else to do
Shield block up as much as possible while taking blockable damage.
green fjord
im getting shreaded by the dungeon tanking dummy
open monolith
I didn't even know that was a thing
green fjord
yeah i went venthyr cause im arms, but they have a dungeoneers tanking dummy iun sinfall
dense pivot
other covs don't?
wheat sleet
remember that taunt increases all threat generated by 300% while the debuff is a...
oh shit til lol. is challenging shout the same or is it just regular taunt?
green fjord
i assumed they did, but yeah im like nearly dying to that dasmn dummy, granted i dont have a healer on me
open monolith
idk if Challenging shout does the same thing
but I do love me some challenging shout from time to time, especially with ret pallies int he group
hallow phoenix
Challenging shout is my favorite "starting an aoe pack and don't have ravager or AA/spear available" button
open monolith
must be nice having good dps and a solid healer
strong forum
i honestly hate my healer
open monolith
LOL
strong forum
open monolith
i hate all the people you play with
they are so obnoxious
🙂
Nome how often do you press Revenge over Ignore pain
strong forum
alot
open monolith
like.... if you have shield block up, how often are you actually pressing IP
open monolith
I ran a dungeon for the first time where my revenge was higher total damage than both spear and shield block
strong forum
thats mostly my IP use tbh
open monolith
i have been spamming IP like it owes me money because I'm so afraid of dying (and also i pug everything so my groups are shit)
strong forum
open monolith
but i've been starting to try to pretend to be a DPS
so often my healers have like
barely 2.1k HPS
and my healing is like 70% of theirs on any given fight LOL
mists is an easy one to pump in
strong forum
yes
open monolith
lemme see you do 3.7k overall in De Other side 😮
open monolith
from the weapons?
ah yeah
i love the ardenweald area of De Other Side?
fortified?
don't care
strong forum
ye
open monolith
pulling 20 mobs
strong forum
its omega pull area for almost 0 count
open monolith
yep
strong forum
pull 40 mobs, not even 10%
open monolith
fun though
unless you have nothing but capped AOE in your group
i wonder what the Boomy / MM / Fire mage nerfs will be
because they need them
think they'll just cap AOE on everything?
strong forum
na
strong forum
theyll just kill their aoe buffs
open monolith
I just want to see more interesting group comps
though I do like seeing afflction lock in all of the top top keys
that's pretty cool
hooray malefic rapture
BRING BACK FROST MAGE DOMINANCE.
open monolith
Having phial + healthstone + healing pot feels REAL good
good thing i have 230498346098 death blossom
infinite health potions
I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and go rank 4 TL
as much as I would like to have The Wall, I really really do enjoy TL in M+
and I'm not confident enough to go AM, so The Wall won't be as useful
obtuse scaffold
I got r2 tl and r1 wall. Cant decide what I like more... I think tl maybe. Its a toughie.
onyx matrix
Switched to necrolords, fight me
open monolith
No, I don't fight the handicapped.
sharp void
onyx matrix
I still find it being quite enjoyable really
hollow hill
Can anyone recommend some good videos/tutorials for tanking higher keys? I'm doing my best and trying to kite but still feeling awfully squishy
obtuse scaffold
I'm venthyr... so... lol
I was fae... but my hunter is main and fae is amazing in all 3 specs... and I was bored of doing same story every week kn two toons.
And I dont like bastion for nelf warrior...
leaden steeple
tanks job is to stun the shades right? in m+
undone jacinth
not really tanks job, can just dps them but stormbolting helps
open monolith
it's not not the tank's job
leaden steeple
ok, thats what I thought. dps kept wiping on them and naturally I was told to kill myself
open monolith
it's everyone's job. whoever has available CC
undone jacinth
lmao
open monolith
if your shockwave is up, go for it
if your stormbolt is up, go for it
if someone else can do it, great.
hallow phoenix
Can you knock them back?
undone jacinth
I try to avoid SW as the stun is short
open monolith
p much anything works on them
hallow phoenix
Get engi belt enchant and knock it towards whichever dps it's chasing
open monolith
Ursol vortex is bae
undone jacinth
it’s up to the dps decide if they wanna die for the most part tho
open monolith
if anything (especially if you have melee in the group), the tank's job is to pull the mobs still alive away from the shades so melee can continue DPS on the mobs that matter
if you have all ranged, your job is to stand there and look pretty
while your ranged dps and healers panic from the spooky ghosts
left cave
prot suffer in st damage?
strong forum
not really
strong forum
only tank thats an outlier is pally
open monolith
VDH is an outlier in AOE 😮
strong forum
well only in low keys
dense pivot
heroic heroes 🙂
valid zodiac
So next week I will have the chance to equip my first endurance conduit and I have no idea what to go for. They all look so underwhelming. Any advice?
open monolith
FBV / BV / The Last Stand one / The Shield Wall one (if using the wall legendary)
they are all... equally underwhelming
I like the last stand one. Pairs well with Bolster. Pop bolster, get extra rage gen, pump revenge for the duration
valid zodiac
Well I'm using Anger Management so I guess the last stand is off for me. Was thinking of going Ignore Pain conduit
valid zodiac
Everything seems minor 😅
open monolith
all of them are very very minor
carmine crag
some more than others but yes
open monolith
i mean, basically they all suck
if you are using The Wall with Anger Management, the one that lowers shield wall CD is good
carmine crag
that and the DoT healing are the most minor of all imo
open monolith
unnerving focus is dope with Bolster. lets you pump for 15 seconds
carmine crag
still very niche imo
open monolith
I think Unnerving Focus is the best (only with Bolster), personally
how is that very niche o.o
Bolster is one of our best talents
carmine crag
i mean unnerving focus
sweet summit
its straight up solid, not niche
open monolith
yes... unnerving focus is specifically very good with bolster
and bolster itself is very good. It's not niche
it's just good, and appeals to anyone using bolster
Fueled By Violence: borderline meaningless amount of heals
Brutal Vitality: borderline meaningless amount of shielding
Unnerving Focus: slightly less borderline meaningless amount of rage gen (especially good with Bolster)
Stalwart Guardian: good reduction in CD w/ wall and anger management combined
they all suck, basically
sweet summit
valid zodiac
I saw that apparently there was a conduit that had a chance to give a charge of Shield Block but apparently didn't make it to the final release
That would have been something
carmine crag
the one that increases Rallying cry is solid imo
sweet summit
it got replaced by fueled by violence
open monolith
Imagine if Prot warrior had legendaries as good as guardian druid 😮
sweet summit
thats finesse, not endurance
hallow phoenix
Our conduits suck and our leggos are just the scraps from AM
:(
Merry Christmas
valid zodiac
I'm using Thunderlord legendary since I mostly do M+
open monolith
lol yes. Warrior got hosed in terms of conduits / legendaries this expansion
plush pagoda
Feels
open monolith
I want a legendary that says "Ignore pain activates at the beginning and end of Shield Block"
Look! I'm a Guardian Druid now
carmine crag
i wish
plush pagoda
And lose it in 1 hit
hallow phoenix
Would still be a good leggo
carmine crag
still better than everything we have
sweet summit
Shield block activates at the beginning and end of ignore pain 
open monolith
^
valid zodiac
I played Legion and skipped BFA so seeing some spells compared to back then feel so underwhelming
plush pagoda
Now we talkin
plush pagoda
BFa war the best it’ll get lol
open monolith
Revenge Now also shield slams your primary target.
carmine crag
correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Thunderlord effect something we already had back in Legion and got removed?
valid zodiac
We did but now it is capped
sweet summit
it was kinda baked into anger management
valid zodiac
Back then each target reduced by 3 sec
sweet summit
oh? really
plush pagoda
Yeah it was amazing
open monolith
Warrior was OP
carmine crag
yeah i really liked tanking during legion
open monolith
We obviously still are OP, since the only change we've received is having spell reflect nerfed on inerva darkvein
plush pagoda
BFA was nice to
open monolith
sad warrior noises
carmine crag
it felt even worse moving to bfa
plush pagoda
I didn’t have to run around for balls to get mastery
carmine crag
in the beginning BFA was awful for prot
hallow phoenix
SR was nerfed on tons of bosses
carmine crag
IP was on GCD
hallow phoenix
Just not announced
open monolith
wut
don't say that
don
don't you say that without documentation
what else was it nerfed on
open monolith
in what, beta?
hallow phoenix
Bunch of stuff on Artificer was deflectable
open monolith
I don't care about stuff that was reflectable on beta
hallow phoenix
No it was doable week 1 for a few days I believe
open monolith
😐
hallow phoenix
Bunch of stuff was hot fixed or stealth removed with no documentation
Only way to find out was updates to the spell reflect spreadsheet
jaunty tiger
Guys item level always over stats? I got neck 213 crit mast and 184 BIS from HOA, what i should equip?
sweet summit
neck and rings dont always follow that rule, but in this case the difference is yuge so id take neck
hallow phoenix
Neck and rings you can have some leeway on ilvl but not 29 ilvls
jaunty tiger
Yea i was in doubt beacause neck and finger Dont give str just stats and stamina
hallow phoenix
I'd never give more than 10 ilvls
And likely would take a 5 ilvl upgrade (does 5 ilvl gap still exist?)
open monolith
can also ignore the ilvl rule for trinkets
im still using a 171 hakkar trinket over 203 pulsing heart and 203 armor kit
thanks Blizzard 😐
red swallow
im 152 ilvl spamming normal dongers and losing my sanity :)
frosty ridge
there's usually cheap blue gear on AH to help you cut normal runs
jaunty tiger
I am using deck trinket and 200 trinket from de other side
undone jacinth
there's 158 boes or something that cost like 200g
jaunty tiger
In pretty good with trinket
frosty ridge
sumetimes 163 boes or something like that
undone jacinth
yeah it got my warr in to heroics a while ago
open monolith
which deck trinket
I hope you don't mean the tank one
and which de other side trinket. Blood spatter scale or ???
red swallow
They cost like 5k gold on my realm, but i managed to scrap enough for HCs atleast
People charging that much for 151 dog gear tho 🧺
open monolith
because people will pay for it.
red swallow
Yee. Crazy
open monolith
as you just demonstrated
red swallow
I didnt buy them
open monolith
that's good
red swallow
Ye i dont wanna feed into a dog economy
tribal whale
hi, im searching a little hel for manage 2 groups of adds in ODS, can someone help me?
open monolith
I believe he is saying: There are 2 groups of mobs in De Other Side that I am having trouble with, can someone help me?
tribal whale
I believe he is saying: There are 2 groups of mobs in De Other Side that I am ha...
yes
hallow phoenix
Which packs
open monolith
Probably the pack right before Troll temple
because that's literally the hardest part of the entire dungeon
tribal whale
first big pack down the stairs
tribal whale
and the first big pack
yes
open monolith
First big pack you need to run away from the big skeleons when they enrage
(or wait for someone to soothe them - hunter or druid can)
tribal whale
Probably the pack right before Troll temple
here they oneshot me
open monolith
You need to pop shield wall early
sweet summit
go in with cds, grab aggro and run
open monolith
focus the big caster at the bottom of the stairs and make sure you are interrupting shadow core
Kite like crazy
blow blood lust on that pack
(not kidding)
hallow phoenix
That pack before hakkar temple (with the deathspeaker) has no urn or anything so you basically HAVE to lust it
open monolith
yep. it's the hardest part of the dungeon on fortified week
Hakkar is probably hardest part on tyrannical
If you get literally one shot, Belus, it's because you charged into the middle of the back and the 3 skeletons used "Bone Slice" on your back
tribal whale
i have probl only with this 2 packs
hallow phoenix
My current strategy for it is charge in, pop demo and LS, shockwave the casters, reflect shadowcore, then start kiting
open monolith
so you had 0 mitigation on them and probably got crit.
hallow phoenix
Shield wall can delay kiting
sweet summit
you cant get crit as a tank
open monolith
then just unmitigated
hallow phoenix
But on that pack no cds = you must kite
tardy parcel
SW is usually my play on that big pack before ZG yeah
at least we can SR the magical part of Piercing Barb on Hakkar!
open monolith
and the bomb on xy'exa
and frostbolt on manastorms
and soul crusher or master of death on muehzala
tribal whale
i just done ODS +7 but +8 is really hard
open monolith
ah
Yeah those trash packs can be rough
1st pack is pretty easy
interrupt scribe
don't interrupt dark lotus
run away from big skeletons when they enrage
open monolith
I always try to bring a rogue or priest to Necrotic wake
priest can mind sooth the miniboss to skip it
and rogue can sap the "right most" mob tied to the mini boss and you can walk right by them all
don't even need shroud
hallow phoenix
Priest skips are so OP
open monolith
mind soothe is basically 0 CD shroud
hallow phoenix
Can skip mushrooms in PF too
hallow phoenix
My group uses mind soothe in half the dungeons
open monolith
so why skip the easy mobs
open monolith
do you have an MDT route you can show me?
PF is one that I don't have a solid route for
hallow phoenix
I'm not at my computer atm
open monolith
that's nice.
Prideful planning is something I need to do more
but I'm a prot warrior with only 680io, so I don't get invited to anything above a 7 anyway
tribal whale
ty for advice , now i tryb again
hallow phoenix
I need to make a DoS route to get prideful on the ZG deathspeaker pack
Pretty sure I know how
open monolith
@hallow phoenix https://wago.io/-__nZhZ5f
I believe that is the only way you're gonna make that happen
hallow phoenix
Nah I bet you could go left, do Ardenweald, then proceed to the ZG deathspeaker pack and get prideful from the enraged spirit
Might have to run around the mechagon pack or something
open monolith
I'll play around with that. lemme see.
the hard part is making sure you get the right % IN ardenweald
to make sure you complete the enemy forces AND line up prideful
hallow phoenix
Thankfully Ardenweald has bunch of different % pulls
Many ways to clear it
You can also skip an enraged spirit with shroud and kill it later, but I dont like rouge dependent routes since I don't normally play with one
fallow prism
any tips for a new prot war?
been doing low keys lately, not sure if it was the class or prot war generally does less healing compared to classes like bdk?
hallow phoenix
Pretty sure everything does less healing compared to bdk
red swallow
Nice thunderlords dropped on my first hc run
hallow phoenix
We aren't a heal tank; we delete damage
Damage blocked won't show up on the meter
valid zodiac
Skimming over some Warrior tanks on the leaderboards a lot of them are going for Bolster+Bolster conduit
hallow phoenix
Yes
Bolster should be the play
And the last stand conduit seems better than the other options, which are basically nothing (IP one) or 3% leech (deep wounds one)
fallow prism
is there a way to track ignore pain's duration and amount ignored
valid zodiac
I guess I'll switch from AM to Bolster and see how it goes with that
hallow phoenix
been doing low keys lately, not sure if it was the class or prot war generally d...
Another thing to keep in mind is your hps won't look high unless your damage intake is high enough to match. In BFA 30k hps was quite substantial on a normal pull. But on Shadow of Zul 100k+ hps was the norm
cinder nova
HPS is a pretty unreliable metric to judge survivability.
TMI is closer.
In general, just logging and scoping your mitigation and damage fluctuation will be a good eyeball.
If Ask Mr. Robot still has that weird TUF thing they rolled out for tank mitigation sims, you could try that, but I can't attest its accuracy or reliability.
fallow prism
i dont use elvui tho lol
cinder nova
There's a WeakAura in the pins.
Or... not? Did we make a whole channel for wago?
I recall a change like that.
valid zodiac
Do you guys maybe think that later on in the expansion once our conduits get higher iLVL the leech and IP one might become strong?
Especially if you can use double of the same
cinder nova
I mean, you could probably run the numbers to see at what point it'd become necessarily relevant %-wise.
And compare that to a per-ilvl increase and figure out at what ilvl it'll become relevant.
worthy ingot
I wish my guild understood warrior mitigation, pumping out 99 and 100 dps parses weekly and they look at hps instead of mitigation % and want me to spam unneeded amounts of IP smh
worthy ingot
Nah best I had was a rank 3 H hungering, my woulda been rank 1 shriek on opening week got corrupted ><
steel mauve
been doing low keys lately, not sure if it was the class or prot war generally d...
We arent a healing class, we mitigate damage quite well which is the main point of a prot war, our self healing is non existent and our entire kit tries to focus around preventing damage and not recovering from it
lusty marsh
Anyone with a good pridefull for SD
I can only route for 1st and 4th boss
I know 3rd is impossible but it would be nice to have one for 2nd
proper pecan
Can someone pls explain how AAs on Sludgefist work?
hallow phoenix
3rd is possible with shroud
lusty marsh
Every MT attack gets shared with the closest person within 5 or 10yd I believe
if there is no one else you take the full hit
proper pecan
I'm a bit confused with this article on tanknotes As the vast majority of the damage taken on this encounter is from auto attacks Shield Block is very powerful. As a result of this Protection Warrior is a strong choice of main tank for this encounter. Only the damage taken to your health pool is dealt to your co-tank.
last sentence
steel mauve
If you reduce damage then the other tank doesnt take thaf damage
proper pecan
noice
lusty marsh
Getting hit twice hurts though so becareful about charging back after stomps
steel mauve
Its a confusing way of wording that damage mitigation matters, also sounds like it says if you absorb damage ie ignore pain then they dont takw that damage either
worthy ingot
@sweet summit 2.8k calm down man. I got flak for my #3 at the time parse because of green hps parse. FeelsBadMan
proper pecan
thank you all, cheers
worthy ingot
Wtb people not thinking I’m a bdk lol
worthy ingot
Sadly it’s the raid leads
sweet summit
so?
worthy ingot
One is a healer the other a prot pally so they actually do hps
sweet summit
as long as youre not dying its fine :)
worthy ingot
Only when the healers keep dying first lol
steel mauve
Sounds like the raid leader needs to be educated in what is important log analysis per class/spec
deep steppe
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays everyone ❤️
sweet summit
happy holidays mate
honest plinth
hi my bois. is doggystylemaster trinket any good?(sacr)
sweet summit
its meh
grand drum
put it on a ranged dps the next time they say spiteful is easy to deal with 🙂
signal plover
Hello fellow kleia simps, merry christmas
worthy ingot
Kleia on shriek for life
lusty marsh
@sweet summit Wait are you tanking with the ring?
cinder nova
Jesus christ.
I'm in the top 30 warriors on my server
And I'm only 629 io
Talk about a low bar
cinder nova
I bet 1 is like 900+
ocean yoke
at least for stormrage #1 is at 1k now, i think they got there yesterday
lusty marsh
Dang, what do you need to do for that. time full 13's?
cinder nova
me right now
I don't even wanna say what server
I know I'll get memed into oblivion
ocean yoke
theyve got all 12s with 3 13s
cinder nova
Brilliant
open monolith
why the fuck would anyone look at a tank's HPS as a means to check performance lol
lusty marsh
Well, if you looked at mine last week you would see that I spent all my IP rage on revenge instead xD
cinder nova
Same reason people still shout down warriors even though they WF'd
People are stupid
cinder nova
@sweet summit haha leggo ring go brrrr
lusty marsh
that makes so much more sense
steel mauve
why the fuck would anyone look at a tank's HPS as a means to check performance l...
those are the ones that dont actually understand how to effectively read logs to review ones performance
open monolith
I mean, if you're spending all your rage on revenge, never pressing Ignore pain, and not dying, **and the bosses are dying, ** then who cares? Especially if you're milking that sweet sweet gold parse out of it
ocean yoke
parses arent everything, they are the only thing
open monolith
I have a normal Sludgefist kill that is 87% for damage and 97% for healing, that means I was probably spending too much rage on ignore pain
lusty marsh
because ideally if I could push us into needing 1 less healer we'd have a whole other dps, buuuut we could also trade out some of our dps for other dps's with the way some of their performances look.
But we don't min max that hard sadly
worthy ingot
Ion said they want to move away from tank dps meta, help us if they start making bosses potentially two tap us to accomplish that
cinder nova
Fucking what?
Why?
DPS tank meta is fun.
It's dynamic.
It feels like progress and personal power growth.
When you can start shifting away from mitigation into damage it feels so cash.
open monolith
idk, I'm not a huge fan of DPS tank. It's just... playing a more boring DPS. Fewer mechanics to worry about, simpler rotation....
undone jacinth
because tanks are inherently not meant to be filling the role of dps, feels wrong, same as healers
exotic spoke
getting two tapped is not fun
worthy ingot
I do enjoy becoming juggernaut mode and laughing at things trying to kill me while just going brrrrrr
exotic spoke
regardless of the situation, a raid is going to tank the tank which provides the highest dps - assuming equal survivability / necessary utility
open monolith
"moving away from a dps tank meta" doesn't mean "haha two taps go brrrrrrr"
cinder nova
Moving away from a DPS tank meta just means more anemic tanks
And therefor more boring tanks
cinder nova
Right now they aren't, shocker I know.
exotic spoke
cinder nova
Well
open monolith
tanking is the easiest role (in raiding)
exotic spoke
I was responding to that
undone jacinth
do you actually play bear
cinder nova
I tried. I literally fell asleep at my desk at one point.
open monolith
I'll never understand people who don't want to tank because "muh anxiety". It's so easy.
undone jacinth
in hard content I think it's a myth that there's this big engagement gap
difference between my bear and warr is very small
lusty marsh
Part of me want's to have an alt bear so I have a necrolord.
cinder nova
I like the DPS meta because it's definitely one of the things that can set tanks apart.
If both are the same ilvl, spec, class but one can pump more DPS and isn't killing himself over it, it shows mastery.
worthy ingot
I tried necro bear but the ability is just sit it and forget so it didn’t add much “fun” vs venthyrs apm palooza
open monolith
lets go back to spamming sunder armor.
cinder nova
There's a reason people like fury-prot in classic over deep prot
worthy ingot
Dps tank meta is a good way to find out if your healers are awake too lol
cinder nova
It's because it's fun to see big numbers and put shit on the board
Plus it's efficient
DPS meta goes back to 04 brah
Why make tanking more boring.
lusty marsh
The barrier to entry just appears to be high, if you start tanking without knowing mob mechanics because you were a tunnel vision dps.
you get melted
and it feels bad
undone jacinth
the objective isn't to make it more boring
it's to make it more about tanking
they just struggle to find ways to reconcile the two
lusty marsh
that's why people get tanking anxiety
exotic spoke
Dps tank meta is a good way to find out if your healers are awake too lol
dps tank meta doesnt imply you take more damage and its the healers fault. It means you maximize your damage for the encounter. .
lusty marsh
yeah, kiting sucks
undone jacinth
tru
cinder nova
Especially when you have dogshit kite mechanics.
open monolith
And if you don't have an omega-meta DPS comp and coordinated groups, kiting is exactly what you're going to do a lot in m+ right now
cinder nova
Leap is strong as a getaway, but you could range your healer and die to a dot if you aren't careful.
lusty marsh
I try to use intervene before leap
ocean yoke
i at least cant come up with what else they could add in to make it focused on purely tanking, just sounds like more tank busters added
cinder nova
I feel like Legion was peak prot
ocean yoke
like positioning and movement i guess?
undone jacinth
I dunno how much more they need
cinder nova
Man-moding Mythic Aggramar felt so good
undone jacinth
tanking is fun to me but just the kiting bit can be a bit too much
worthy ingot
Blizzard: make tanks kite to clear keys effectively
lusty marsh
Isn't legion where you could get absurd amounts of IP
worthy ingot
Also blizzard: give mobs anti kite mechs
cinder nova
Only in like the 1st tier
ocean yoke
i die a bit inside when i kyrian spear and things just walk out
cinder nova
The number of times I've watched DPS get themselves and me killed
open monolith
50% of how good a tank you are is based on your DPS players lol
cinder nova
DPS saving cooldowns for bosses in 10+ keys
On fortified
omeglul
I'd rather eat a bullet.
ocean yoke
"noob tank dying to necrotic bolts lol"- people who probably dont ever interrupt them
fiery badge
^^^ this
ocean yoke
should just give interrupts the dh treatment, reward people for them maybe theyll do it for once
open monolith
still dumb that it can't be reflected one place but not another when it's the same fucking spell
cinder nova
I agree.
worthy ingot
My first NW run I kick a necro bolt, take the next 2, get asked “are you in tank spec” by the healer smh
cinder nova
"You in heal spec?"
lusty marsh
no because then you just have the problem of 4 interrupts coming out on the first bolt
fiery badge
Dying to disease mobs from ToP because not getting a disease dispell despite having two in the group
“Trash noob tank”
cinder nova
Imagine not running auras or addons to check your group kick CDs
open monolith
the best way to handle mobs that aren't getting interrupted is to stop doing damage so the DPS takes aggro
then let's see if they interrupt
fiery badge
Or play Prot pally and just get free interruptions from you damage rotation
cinder nova
I still think blizzard should fucking put a tooltip on boss mechanics for warriors that tell you what can/can't be reflected/deflected/blocked
The fact they make us guess is absurd
leaden dawn
the best way to handle mobs that aren't getting interrupted is to stop doing dam...
yea im totally sure thats how they are gonna react to you losing aggro
lusty marsh
WAIT WHAT
cinder nova
Yeah
cinder nova
After expunge comes out if you SR and walk facefirst into a ball
open monolith
try having fun
cinder nova
deflect
open monolith
it will make you a happier person
leaden dawn
how is stoping to hold aggro fun
leaden dawn
thats just toxic
cinder nova
I actually have all my warriors do it every expunge to clear the area around our groups to keep a lane clear for lock gate
open monolith
holy shit lmao
leaden dawn
try a premade maybe
leaden dawn
i guess so is yours
ocean yoke
would to just have some line in the tooltip for stuff saying like "this is a more powerful spell and cant be deflected" or something instead of maintaining a list in a class discord
especially for people who arent in here
cinder nova
Yep.
It's literally a flag on the spell.
They could fucking automate it
But they wont.
amber sedge
eh. that's kind of...wordy/clunky to include on everythign for just one class though
cinder nova
They're a small indie company after all
open monolith
Hmmm. I wonder if there is a weak aura that like.. shows a spell reflect icon next to every reflectable spell
cinder nova
yes and no sock
lusty marsh
Well, I also want to say tanks not in here aren't trying to be the best prot wars they can be.
worthy ingot
The orbs are on the sheet already as deflect
cinder nova
There's a weak aura that shows SR spells as they're being cast targeting you.
But nothing else.
lusty marsh
and it's buggy on certain mobs
amber sedge
the better way for blizz to do it would just to be more consistent with Spell Reflect in relation to other immunities and then put a tool tip if it can't be immuned" - the problem is most other immunities work on virtually everything so it would be a huge change/nerf to other class's abilities
cinder nova
It'd literally be a flag only visible to classes with SR, ie. warrior
Like at the bottom of the tooltip in a separate line
Whenever the flag on a spell is set that it can be reflected/deflected
It puts that on the bottom
You could absolutely automate it.
lusty marsh
just let me reflect expose desires again
ocean yoke
i miss it already
cinder nova
They took it away, didn't they?
worthy ingot
^
open monolith
that was a completely unnecessary nerf
cinder nova
zzzz
lusty marsh
Yeah, and I did lfr earlier and my prot cotank let me get up to 8 stacks before realizing.
cinder nova
Reminds me of how they nerfed SR for Goroth in Tomb of Sargeras.
Warriors? Having fun?
Can't have that.
Stupid as fuck.
worthy ingot
I had theory crafted with my friends 1 tanking Inerva pre SR nerf by making a dps warr wear the SR leggo lol
cinder nova
Oh man
Innovative exploration in player approach to a mechanic?
You mean they aren't solving the puzzle the way I WANT THEM TO?
open monolith
"We think tanks should have gaps in their active mitigation"
"Why?"
"lol idk fuck you"
-Blizzard, probably
"except for monks"
"....and prot pallies"
lusty marsh
idk much about other classes, should prot pallies have their active up 24/7?
cinder nova
lusty marsh
if so my guild cotank needs some practice
open monolith
if they get like... 22% ish haste they can have 100% uptime on SOTR
undone jacinth
their active sux though
lusty marsh
"All spells can now be reflected"
open monolith
I'll go first:
"Vengeance Demon Hunter has been removed from the game"
ocean yoke
pipe dreams or things that are possible?
open monolith
lol things that are possible preferred
but don't let your pipe dreams stay dreams, feel free to meme
cinder nova
Shield Block nerf reverted
lusty marsh
Says the man wanting DH to be removed
ocean yoke
ill say the pipe dream anyway, anger management baseline
cinder nova
^
open monolith
ooh yeah that would be sick
cinder nova
I've said it before
I think a weaker AM should be baseline
And you can spec into it for more
open monolith
I would like:
"Rage Cost of Shield Block removed"
cinder nova
That'd be a better compromise
lusty marsh
I feel like the rage cost of SB is negligible
amber sedge
I'm pretty happy with prot right now tbh
open monolith
I am also happy with prot right now
lusty marsh
Demo shout off cd
open monolith
The REAL changes I want are for Fire mage to be nerfed into obscurity
amber sedge
I think my only real wishlist item may be shockwave doing damage lol
ocean yoke
nut
undone jacinth
charge knocks down all targets between you and the end mob
worthy ingot
Rally of gcd for the love of god
lusty marsh
Charge is now dragon charge
open monolith
All shouts off GCD pls
worthy ingot
So many butt clench save a wipe moments
lusty marsh
^
undone jacinth
heroic leap absorbs any projectiles intercepted in mid air
open monolith
Heroic Leap now activates shield Block for free
lusty marsh
Leaper new bis leggo inc
open monolith
Ooooh add that to the Leapers Legendary.
gives 3 charges of leap
and activates ignore pain and shield block
lmao that would be so fucking fun
lusty marsh
spec into never surrender
bright jolt
Everyone sleeping on leaper lego
bright jolt
U just turn into a scuffed dh with leaper lego
Just leap away once you have no mitigation
XD
open monolith
"Revenge Reworked - it no longer costs rage, but is only usable after a block dodge or parry"
Also it does 100% more damage for some reason, idk
Hire me blizzard.
I have terrible ideas.
I'm basically one of you already
worthy ingot
Revenge after a failing to block dodge or parry seems thematic and something they’d do since it would be counter intuitive to scaling
open monolith
"Revenge now automatically activates for free any time you fail to mitigate damage"
There we go. I fixed warrior, and also created a cancerous "never use your mitigation" build
worthy ingot
Remove IP bake in a revenge DR on targets hit to maintain
I think that’s be a more fun play style
lusty marsh
"you can now block/parry/avoid attacks from all directions."
ocean yoke
hell rework never surrender to something like that
open monolith
actually, yeah, I really like that Panzer
Revenge as damage mitigation sounds dope.
worthy ingot
New never surrender, rage gen increases proportionally to missing hp
ocean yoke
copy the bear thrash leggo, revenge damage becomes a shield or lowers their damage
ocean yoke
yeah it was like .5% or something per stack
open monolith
I think I would really like Revenge to totally replace ignore pain as damage mitigation
that's a really fun idea
GIVE THIS GUY A MEDAL
worthy ingot
Shit
proper pecan
Can someone confirm that warlock's debuff that slows AAs works on sludge?
20% sounds just way too good
worthy ingot
Weakness
open monolith
I would be beyond shocked if that actually worked on Mr. Fister.
tired cove
the enraged spirit in TOP do you guys skip it or kill it right away, looking at dratnos route
proper pecan
I had 70 meele hits on 6 min fight and random 4.34 log has 75 hits
Would be nice if one of big boys here can confirm this
proper pecan
ty @strong forum
open monolith
now try to convince a warlock to use a precious global on a curse
@tired cove what is the enraged spirit in TOP?
worthy ingot
DoS?
open monolith
probably dos
proper pecan
now try to convince a warlock to use a precious global on a curse
we're casuls warlok suggested it
top dps tho
chilly brook
Tbh in a lot of these dungeons I feel like curses are big value
Rn
Cuz so many casts
open monolith
curse of tongues is legit
chilly brook
Locks are just super nice in dungeons tbh
Healthstones alone have been so huge
Oh and banish is clutch on first boss of PF
fallow mortar
Locks are just great utility in general
chilly brook
Their damage is just a bonus
Also did a key with a survival hunter yesterday
Dude pumped
nimble drift
QUESTION
IS IT STILL POSSIBLE TO GET THE BURNING PLATE OF THE WORLDBREAKER
LEGION ARTIFACT SECRET APPEARANCE
nimble drift
because im desperate
sick sentinel
lmao
nimble drift
do I just walk into the cave and hope its there?
potent anvil
Probably urgency
nimble drift
or is there something i gotta do before I enter the cave
open monolith
SV pumps real hard on lower keys
open monolith
once adds start living for a long time, their dps suffers
worthy ingot
Did they make it once per day? I farmed mine back in legion in half an hour spamming a macro and logging in and out
chilly brook
so just walk in and hope to hear a roar, every day
There's a macro for it to check
nimble drift
i heard the macro didn't work anymore
or at least in every comment from 2016 says the "macro" doesn't work
nimble drift
I got my legion dalaran hearth. Gonna go there, fly to highmountain, and check once per day
strong forum
the macro only speeds up the thing when you could spam login / logout
nimble drift
till I have it
nimble drift
okay cool so I dont have to run all the way to the gold pile
strong forum
no, just run in a bit into the cave, to be safe run up until the ledge
if you dont get an emote roar thingy in your chat, you can leave for the day
and try again tomorrow
nimble drift
thanks
as a dark iron dwarf I need this appearance
since there aren't many other good looking firey shields
chilly brook
It goes well with the heroic version of ToV armor too
open monolith
Do the bargast adds spawn near bargast every time or do they just randomly spawn around the room
strong forum
left and right of bargast
open monolith
ah ok, so definitely do need to move him away first. that's what I figured.
chilly brook
i would heavily disagree but tastes differ
The blue version
chilly brook
Heroic is the black/blue version and the blue hidden shield works well with it
lusty marsh
I wish bastion shield matched with the plate set better.
nimble drift
The uldir normal shield looks decent for a bastion tmog
Wanted to farm it but no one runs that
Lol
nimble drift
It takes a while lol
stray sierra
can someone give me some pointers going through my logs? I posted it in the log channel, but no response
chilly brook
Depends on what you're looking for
chilly brook
Its not infallible but this is a helpful tool
But definitely rotation could use some work
Same with rage overcap
chilly brook
As far as telling you how good your mitigation use has been I'd have to dig into the log a little bit more
But could probably get away with using your CDs a little more off the top
worthy ingot
TC feels kinda bad to press now imo
chilly brook
It's free rage and a shield slam reset chance
Lots of chances to pool rage revenge is great but plenty of time to build it between casts
open monolith
yeah the only thing on wow analyzer that I tend to ignore is it yelling at me about thunderclap
look, Analyzer.
sometimes I wanna pump
so imma hit revenge.
don't @ me
sturdy sable
Gotta pool rage for condemns
chilly brook
I mean the best mog is still the thunder god booty clap mog
chilly brook
chilly brook
open monolith
lol
open monolith
capes are overrated
nimble drift
I've only played the end of legion I got no clue how to mog lol
I just use a mix of blackrock foundry, firelands, bfa, and legion shit
neat root
There is a white cape I think from spires that's pretty dope
chilly brook
I need a valkyrie slut mog
open monolith
slut mogs best mogs
nimble drift
@strong forum Do you know if I can check that cave on multiple toons each week?
or just 1?
undone sun
multiple warriors should work
open monolith
Embrace the clown suit transmog
onyx matrix
which clown suit? tbc one or the vanilla one?
stone pewter
how are prot wars doing in m+?
strong forum
not the best, not the worst
tepid nest
You can make it work
stone pewter
what if im venthyr and only have arms leggo crafted?
trying to pug keys but no1 wanna take warriors lol
strong forum
covenant and leggo wont make or break us
open monolith
I get invites 😮
not usually to things above +10, but that's because i haven't had time to dedicate to grinding IO score
stone pewter
i dont event get invs to +7... im at 499io dunno if thats good or what i hate io
open monolith
what's your ilvl
stone pewter
and 198 ilvl
chilly brook
so Mueh'zala seems bugged
open monolith
your ilvl is fine
it might be the 499 io
I suggest you push your own keys
make your own groups
invite who YOU want. always easier that way
chilly brook
Everyone was on the platform with Meuh'zala and he was doing his orb mechanic where its unavoidable group wide damage which is only supposed to happen to players that aren't on his platform
shrewd bronze
Hi folks, quick question: which legendary for m+?
chilly brook
Happened twice
stone pewter
i have a +9 ToP
chilly brook
Boss has to be bugged
open monolith
orb mechanic?
stone pewter
Hi folks, quick question: which legendary for m+?
id say the TC one
shrewd bronze
I saw that top 1 prot warr is using signet and eas wondering what to craft
open monolith
@shrewd bronze both thunderlord and wall work
chilly brook
orb mechanic?
Yes if you're not on the platform that he's on when he's able to be hit he spawns orbs above you that just slam you with magic missile bs
chilly brook
But uhhh
We got pulled to his platform after the intermission phase and they still spawned
And clapped some asses
open monolith
i've never seen that orb mechanic you're talking about
nimble void
@strong forum where would you rank prot warrior in m+? Which tank is worse in your opinion?
open monolith
you sure you aren't drunk?
shrewd bronze
do not craft signet
But why would the top 1 warr for m+ be using signet instead of tc or wall?
chilly brook
It's just never seen because why wouldn't you be on the platform with him
chilly brook
But why would the top 1 warr for m+ be using signet instead of tc or wall?
Probably because hes not main spec prot?
chilly brook
And hes tanking keys for his raid team?
open monolith
do not craft signet as prot.
shrewd bronze
Dude hrs top 1 world
open monolith
you are not top 1 world
shrewd bronze
For m+ prot
chilly brook
Doesnt mean anything rn
open monolith
do not craft signet as prot