protection

[lusty marsh]

Can't wait for my guild to prog farter into H

[last gazelle]

Is kyrian still the solid choice for raiding due to potion?

[lusty marsh]

It definitely is a solid choice, idk if it's still the best.

[sick sentinel]

I forget how much hasteI have but about 15%

[steady spruce]

Am i an asshole to expect the dps to help getting the adds on the 3rd Plaguefall boss?

[amber herald]

nop

[modern brook]

Happy christmas to all my boys of #protection :)

[lusty marsh]

I have a havoc dh jump around and grab them, I think it's important to be on the boss to create a known spot to return to for the fear

[sick sentinel]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/tankian

Yup 15%

[modern brook]

I personally and most tanks I've seen run the boss around with their melee stack

3rd is spiderman right?

[sick sentinel]

I need to look up how pf 1st boss slimes work

[steady spruce]

@modern brook spiderwoman yes

[sick sentinel]

There is a big slime and a bunch of little ones need to figure out how they are different

[modern brook]

They all do the same I'm p sure

The big one just is more

[golden pollen]

big slime mega buff boss, small slime heal boss

[modern brook]

Most higher keys I've seen just call a hard cc order and you ignore the big ones

[sick sentinel]

Ah so just kite boss away from big slime and let dps kill small ones

[modern brook]

Trap blind chicken hex paralyze whatever works idr

[golden pollen]

if ur group dps is strong enough u can just cc/dps big one and ignore small ones on fortified week

helps if u have arms warrior that has mortal strike

[modern brook]

True

[golden pollen]

on tyrannical i would suggest kill all slime since its a hp% heal lol

[sick sentinel]

I don't really have a set group anymore wasn't ever good enough for my guild so whatever

[golden pollen]

same here

[toxic gyro]

I thought it was remaining health heal not %

[golden pollen]

im not in my guild heroic progression cause i cant raid one of the day, i stuck around cause i hate guild hopping, so i just m+

my bad, its 300% of the slime remaining health

[sick sentinel]

Ya, ragnaros jaja pug life for me now

[golden pollen]

which is quite a bit on tyrannical lol

[toxic gyro]

Adds don’t scale with tyrannical

At least shouldnt

I mean their health

[golden pollen]

r u sure?

😮

[sick sentinel]

When I had to resort to using Google to speak Spanish for pugs I started to question life decisions as canadian

[golden pollen]

cause blizzard is always 50/50 on those scaling

especially in BFA

[toxic gyro]

Any adds spawned by boss shouldnt scale with those modifiers

[wheat sleet]

had do to it myself during a run today, im used to people popping one each and regrouping or some mage blinking around by himself

[golden pollen]

i remember the last boss of waycrest during tyrannical , those freaking adds takes forever to die

[wheat sleet]

was kinda slow getting around so felt like they got to throw quite a few o those daggers; not sure how big of a deal it was though

[golden pollen]

but makes it easier to target burn corpse cause they arent instant nuked lol

[toxic gyro]

U can also throw your ravager at those adds on spider boss in pf

Especially in pugs

[soft flower]

Make leaper legendary and use it there 😄

[toxic gyro]

Lol

Yes

[golden pollen]

that double leap has gotta be BIS for WSG if ur into bgs

gets flag, jump twice!

[toxic gyro]

In pvp I also have leap talent if it’s still there

Moaar leaps

[wheat sleet]

if you have that talent does it actually let you jump 3 times or does it consume a charge every time

6 times*

[toxic gyro]

It should let you leap 3times from one charge

[lusty marsh]

where are you getting double jumps from?

[wheat sleet]

pvp talent, not sure if prot has it though

[lusty marsh]

Ah, nope.

We get a stun on leap landing though

Idk what prot pvp talents I would take, don't pvp much in prot

[wheat sleet]

same, only arms for me

[vocal bison]

Get demo pvp talent for sure, big group play, and dragon charge to laugh my ass off and tilt the other team

^for prot

[quartz mist]

there a list for what i can use arcane torrent in M+?

[stray sierra]

are people using into the fray in raids?

or only on fights where you're more stacked

[fringe marten]

Generally in raid I run ITTF yeah.

I'm at an impasse now.. Rank 4 Wall shoulder, or fresh Rank 2 Thunderlord boots..?

I honestly think maybe just the rank 4 shoulder; EVEN for M+...or is the thunderlord effect that worthwhile? (for M+ of course) I know it's good, but having shield wall every couple pulls is pretty huge.

Anyone tanked some challenging keys with both the wall and Tlord legendaries; what did you prefer?

[lusty marsh]

I've only used The wall because I rushed T4 this week, but It's nice having more shield walls. I'd probably prefer the Tlord uptime but I haven't gotten enough ash to start it.

Highest key done is a 10

[stray sierra]

I have a rank 2 TL and its fuckin amazing in keys, the uptime u can get on it is really good. And ofc the rage gen from it

I have not tried the wall in m+ though

[tardy parcel]

Imo I rolled r3 wall / r1 thunderlord and am planning to catch thunderlord up before maxing out wall

Since I raid and m+ regularly

[lusty marsh]

Same but I wanted to focus on raid prog.

[torn shadow]

prot or fury for torgast?

or arms?

[fringe marten]

Rodarn...T4..? what?

oh you went tier 4 on the wall as well?

[golden pollen]

all 3 spec can do torghast fine

i prefer arms cause more dmg, saves me sometime

[versed bough]

Should I consider Never surrender talent when talking fcking Spires?

[golden pollen]

if u think u gonan drop alot of hp and IP is gonna save you, sure

most people go with indomitable tho

[versed bough]

I'll try this in spires

[lusty marsh]

Why does relic of the first ones only apply to secondary covenant abilities.

I'm the big sad

[fringe marten]

Yeah I'm our MT so I really wanted to make sure I had my raid stuff solidified; but we're starting to push into mythic and getting into the final phase of heroic Denath..and I don't think maxing out my shoulder is going to change anything as far as how durable I am.

[undone jacinth]

No

[versed bough]

Well Im doing pretty fine right now

[undone jacinth]

then you would be doing finer with indom

[versed bough]

but the fcking magic man

[lusty marsh]

T4 The wall

oh I didn't read your next message

[undone jacinth]

Hp and healing are better than relying on being low hp

[fringe marten]

Yeah I really want to make my Tlord boots, but I have 213 boots, and rank 3 wall. if I make Tlords 2, I only have a 203 shoulder to replace them with. And it doesn't seem the gain on Tlords is worth losing all that ilevel on a major piece of armor.

To really see the mileage on Tlord you need to use AM, which you just..can't afford to use in any keys that are progression for you.

Because then you get to go back to UF; and it will feel similar to BFA again.

Clapping to victory~

Supposedly it's still better dps if you have Tlords to still use Ravager? which..is bleh

[undone jacinth]

you can make it on gloves at no real loss, you don’t need to run uf am and you can use it just fine in prog keys

if u wanna make it just make it

[fringe marten]

Naw I really can't..my first weeks vault was a 220 glove.

(yes I CAN..but ugh..)

[undone jacinth]

If you don’t wanna lose the ilvl then don’t, if you do then do... the power of the Lego isn’t the issue tbh

[fringe marten]

Well it kind of is.. the question is; Is Tlord's value in M+ strong enough to displace the wall, and displace it to where I'm also losing substantial ilevel on a major piece of armor. Or is it kind of a wash and if my stronger loadout is with the wall..just run that.

With Tlords what does it bring demo shouts cd to around average ? and what did you see in gains in zonewide dps?

[undone jacinth]

There’s no reasonable argument that can be made right now that has TL as a significant advantage over wall in any content

If that’s all you care about, keep wall

and wear better gear

I prefer TL because it’s more fun and still good enough and that’s all

[fringe marten]

Yeah; in no means am I knocking anyones decision. It's really just is it worth putting off my rank 4 shoulders, to gain thunderlord effect..and would I experience better damage/tanking in M+ as a result.

[undone jacinth]

no

It’s not

[fringe marten]

exactly..that seems to be the concensus I'm getting from here and other conversations.

[undone jacinth]

TL is good for the reasons you said and wall is better as a defensive option when you’re going in to untankable territory... point is both are pretty fine but there is no data etc to say TL is better

if someone says you’re gonna see some kind of key level performance improvement when ur also downgrading your gear they are just making it up

[fringe marten]

Yeah it seems it's not nearly as potent a gain in dps as I would think; otherwise there would be more data and people more vocal about how much more damage they gained.

[undone jacinth]

damage is not really a limiting factor rn other than on some tyran bosses which TL is poop at anyway

and wall can allow you to do more two packs rather than one etc, like I said there’s just no way that kind of strong argument can be made for TL atm

[lusty marsh]

Having more walls for fort packs has felt pretty nice this week.

But I can't compare since I don't have tlord

[fringe marten]

To go to Rank 4 shoulders it's 2k soul ash this week right?

[lusty marsh]

from what

[fringe marten]

rank 3

I have r3 shoulders.

[lusty marsh]

I went from 2-4 and it was 3.x k

I forget how much

but I only was able to do it by passing a soul ash table mission

If you got every piece of ash and did 1 table you will have 90 left over

[civic rover]

the play will probably be thunderlord for more trivial content and the wall once you start getting into levels where you can't just pull one pack at a time and expect to time the key

[undone jacinth]

Leaper for trivial content tbh

[civic rover]

maybe yeah

[undone jacinth]

4 taunts for all the ninja pulls

[novel temple]

im like 30 soul ash short for rank 4

ive done max torghast content since launch

but not venari

am i missing it because of venari?

also, i can't wait till we can use two or more legendaries

wall/TL is gonna be sweet

[topaz ember]

nah you need to do one mission table dust mission

to be able to craft up this week

[thorn narwhal]

is the devastator talent proc rate normalized across attack speed or will i get more procs using a dagger (also does haste return more procs)

[tender imp]

u cannot use daggers my man

[thorn narwhal]

o. im levelin rite now so i can tho

[tender imp]

daggers are never a vaild option doesnt matter what lvl

this isnt classic

[thorn narwhal]

im wielding one rn tho

[tender imp]

u shouldnt.

[thorn narwhal]

o-oh...

[tender imp]

but to answer the question more haste will result in more procs yes

[thorn narwhal]

i think dagger procs more too :3c

[tender imp]

maybe but its irrelevant

all onehanders have the same 2.6 speed

pretty sure u cannot even use revenge with a dagger

[quartz mist]

200 ilvl fueled by violence or use a 171 brutal vitality

[tender imp]

brutal vit

[fallow mortar]

you can't revenge with daggers so you might as well not have a weapon when playing prot

[thorn narwhal]

o is revenge good now

i havent played prot since it was a "do not press" button

[fallow mortar]

yes, you mainly want to use revenge to damage and stomp is mainly for rage gain and not damage

[thorn narwhal]

ooo

okay interesting thx

[tender imp]

theres only one ability that is neve worth using

and that is whirlwind

a shittier revenge basically

not sure why its in the game

[olive perch]

how we feeling about m+ right now boys

[fallow mortar]

I never use intimidating shout, packs are too close together

[tender imp]

its good to interrupt stuff tho

and the fear on them should break insta anyway

cuz u are dpsing them

[fallow mortar]

🤔 fuck those are good points

[tender imp]

just try it u will see mobs wont run in fear for 8secs

[paper coral]

i wish it worked like the vdh sigil

[fallow mortar]

I think i will need to use it when the dps are already wound up and not on the initial pull

[tender imp]

well yes first u should shockwave always

if u need to aoe interrupt something

then u have shout as backup

[fallow mortar]

ahhh ok

[tender imp]

think of it as a long cd shockwave

[fallow mortar]

are overseers and mistcallers immune to fear?

[tender imp]

basically same shit.

[paper coral]

and warstomp

[tender imp]

if something is stun immune

good chances its also fear immune

so really same shit

[fallow mortar]

that answers that question then

[olive perch]

are we feeling so bad about M+ that no one has an opinion or is there a separate place for that? 😦

[tender imp]

not much to say

we are okay. not best not worst

[warm blaze]

tbh idk im just havin confidence issues on higher keys like i feel retarded saying it but

group just feels hit or miss

[tender imp]

pugging be like that

(i assume its a pug)

[warm blaze]

yeah pug

i gotta find a solid group lol

[tender imp]

success has rarely anything to do with u playing warr

[warm blaze]

do u guys tell dps to wait at the start of ur pulls? sometimes someone will pull as soon as i engage and it kinda fucks the pull up

[olive perch]

Idk I definitely feel the worst on my prot compared to brewmaster or blood.

[tender imp]

dps should never have to wait. use cds on pull as often as possible

use charge/leap to get a head start on the dps too

[warm blaze]

yeah i swapped over to ravager last week and it helped a ton

[tender imp]

when mobs are low hp u can already start running to next

assuming u are not low hp etc

to just get a headstart

[warm blaze]

right on ty

[paper coral]

Generally with warrior, the more stuff hitting you means more rage, adn more rage means threat.

Warriors one of the tank classes you have to be aggressive on.

[chilly brook]

Tbh been running keys tonight

Dunno what peoples problems are

Feels pretty fine

[chilly brook]

Feels great to me, my healer thinks I'm pretty tanky and doesn't have to dump too much into me

[tender imp]

this question has a million variables tho.

depends on ur gear, on ur party's gear, on the levle of the dung and so on...

whether the healer is actually good or bad

so everyone's opinion will vary

[dense flame]

Dunno. I feel most of the time when I tank it’s that dps do some retarded shit (not kick, int important stuff). What’s mostly frustrating is ppl leaving keys.

Leaving generally after 1 wipe is a feelsbadman

[tender imp]

pugging in general is pretty bad as a warr tank. u are too dependent on others. cannot really selfheal, other tanks are much better at just random pugging

[fallow mortar]

we can only get loot from world bosses once a week right?

[tender imp]

correct

[fallow mortar]

ty

[valid scaffold]

Im seeing ppl running booming voice and dragon breath, whats gives more dmg?

[fallow mortar]

BV

[novel temple]

@tender imp whirldwind is good in torghast when you get the revenge anima power

the one that increases revenge damage for teh number of pots broken

but yeah, its still dog shit

[tender imp]

im confused

u mean ww is good to break pots?

[chilly brook]

I just did an 11 ToP, outside of DPS dying because they didn't kick it was very smooth on my end

[fallow mortar]

oh, on heroic huntsman on CN. Do you guys generally tank barghast or the huntsman? I tried tanking the huntsman and I found that my SB went dry and then huntsman would chunk me. Have you had similar issues or am I just not pacing correctly?

[tender imp]

i mean yes u will have moments with no shield block up

u try to fill those with cds

ideally

[chilly brook]

Huntsman is honestly probably a bolster fight

Assuming you're tanking him

[fallow mortar]

I used my cds as well

and bolster was talented

[chilly brook]

But if you rotate your CDs you should be fine

I tank him

[tender imp]

well if u got chunked rly hard maybe boss got enraged

cuz the healer add reached him

[fallow mortar]

So I need to clean up my rotation then, got it

nah, he never got enraged

[chilly brook]

Theres moment when you dip

Your healers just need to heal you

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[tender imp]

or ask for external cds from healers too

if u can

[chilly brook]

It's not like you need that much healing regularly

[vocal peak]

morning guys, merry christmas to all of you 🙂 right now im tanking as a druid tank but im thinking about rerolling to warrior, heard about that some progress guild are playing warrior tank but im not sure wy, until yesterday I thought that warrior is a quite weak tank getting better in next tears, wy are they picking warrior tank in progress right now?

[fallow mortar]

right, there were times where the healers definitely forgot about me XD

[tender imp]

i will tell u right now why davil my friend

because warr dps is bad.

and they need battleshout for raid

thats literally the reason

[vocal peak]

wow XD

that simple 😄

[tender imp]

yep.

[fallow mortar]

it wasn't the only reason they took it

[vocal peak]

but is warrior the worst raid tank right now or not?

everybody is raking warrior in the lowest tear

[fallow mortar]

some times they had both prot and arms warrior in the same group. Why? I have no clue, but they don't have the warriors in there for just battleshout

[vocal peak]

tier

[tender imp]

tiers for tanks are useless

all depends on the boss.

[tender imp]

the warr dps was not in on every boss. its that simple really

battleshout and rallying cry.

nothing else is the reason

[vocal peak]

anyways can someone help me find reasons to reroll to warrior tank? Need some facts for my raidlead 😄

[tender imp]

show him world first sire denathrius

[fallow mortar]

because you like to play it

[golden pollen]

The wall makes progression slightly easier

[vocal peak]

but is it in general more difficult as a warrior tank than with other tanks?

[golden pollen]

What do u mean

[fallow mortar]

I have yet to have a problem tanking with anyother tank in a raid

[vocal peak]

does they need much more healing, do they get bigger hits, something like that

[tender imp]

warr tank is more punishing

if u make mistakes

u have to predict and plan ahead

not react to spike damage

[fallow mortar]

warrior brings more raid benefit with battle shout and rallying cry

[golden pollen]

Be proactive instead of reactive to dmg mitigation

[tender imp]

a bad warr tank (not saying u are) is probably the hardest tank to keep alive

if that makes sense

[vocal peak]

that makes sense yes

like with almoster every other tank i guess 😄

[tender imp]

not really, just look at monk

[golden pollen]

Bear/monk

[vocal peak]

i siad almost 😄

[golden pollen]

Very forgiving

[vocal peak]

bear?

i play bear tank right now and if u are bad well... you are unhealable 😄

[tender imp]

bear is very easy to play

and hard to make mistakes on

compared to warr

and monk has perma stagger

[vocal peak]

if i want to play raid tank und arms m+, what cov do you suggest?

[golden pollen]

Any

[flat nymph]

Yeah but if it was me personally i like kyrian for the threat gen and aoe dmg

[vocal peak]

wthe phials are very good for the raid, arent they?

[tender imp]

kyrian is by far the best for prot raiding yes

also m+

[vocal peak]

seems also like an acceptable choice for arms

[golden pollen]

If pvp, kyrian is great

M+ night fae ain't bad

[tender imp]

even if u say the nightfae+kyrian abilities are very similar

potion beats the fox any day any time

[golden pollen]

Potion op

[chilly brook]

For reference

[chilly brook]

It's not though, lightee talked about this on stream

[neat root]

Tfw you try to meme in your frien discord

[chilly brook]

He played warrior because he felt like it was a better tank than BrM

And the only reason he would possibly bring in BrM was if they needed more damage

Which implies they didn't value battleshout that much

Or they would have just brought in a warrior dps

[fallow mortar]

So, basically if I am around those numbers then I doing the right things and healers are slacking?

[lavish oracle]

@tender imp Watch vods for lightees stream after Denathrius, there's a whole laundry list of reason why they brought prot, not least of which is that Denathrius fucks tanks up and warrior is the best equipped to handle it

[chilly brook]

Could be I mean it's not a foolproof metric

[fallow mortar]

true

[chilly brook]

It could be a lot of different things

[flint kelp]

guys, is there an easy way to see when your offtank has 2 stacks at legion so you taunt?

[chilly brook]

Have to actually dig into logs further

[lavish oracle]

heroic leap was also like, really essential to the way they were pulling the boss

[chilly brook]

Theres a cotank weak aura that shows your cotanks debuff per fight

[golden pollen]

I haven't watch that either

[chilly brook]

Yep literally lightee has talked about this and people still think its just for the "TaNk UtIlItY"

[golden pollen]

What does a warrior bring that dh doesn't

Other than shout

[compact smelt]

@lavish oracle warrior is not the best at handling denathrius

Double dh is

[chilly brook]

Better physical mitigation

[tender imp]

how is warrior good in last phase?

[neat root]

You can also just focus the OT. It's what I do, put the frame right above mine and watch his debuff

[tender imp]

with the shadow dot

its not.

[chilly brook]

Neither is BrM then

[lavish oracle]

Whatever you say, I guess

[chilly brook]

But sure argue with Limit for their reasoning

[compact smelt]

Double dh if you don’t care about buffs would have been best

Lightee even said this

[tender imp]

snake is right

[lavish oracle]

If you're gonna say they brought it for rallying cry/BS despite very clear evidence to the contrary, more power to you, I guess

[chilly brook]

It hardly matters

[compact smelt]

Just watch the vid

Vod”

[chilly brook]

Your tank comp isn't going to be the difference

[compact smelt]

You talked about it but clearly didn’t watch it 👍

[chilly brook]

It's ok because clearly most of the people who care about tank comp and why they're brought dont play the game to a level where it even would begin to possibly matter

And clearly it doesnt even matter at the top end either

[golden pollen]

True

[chilly brook]

[lavish oracle]

It's literally only going to matter to Echo and Limit

and like, maybe pieces

[chilly brook]

Apparently not

[lavish oracle]

if they kill it this week

[golden pollen]

Any tanks works, just play the most fun for you

[fallow mortar]

Any reason why my Heroic Huntsman run is not showing up on Warcraft logs?

[tender imp]

battle shout WAS the main reason to bring prot. the rest is cherry on top basically.

[chilly brook]

Because it wasn't logged @fallow mortar

[lavish oracle]

They had a fucking arms warrior in the raid

[tender imp]

not every boss.

[fallow mortar]

is that on me or the raid leader?

[lavish oracle]

They did for the only boss that mattered

[tender imp]

thats not how it works.

[chilly brook]

Brub

[lavish oracle]

Literally no other boss matters in the entire instance

[tender imp]

xD

ok

[golden pollen]

I would of imagine sludge prog really needed warrior tho

[tender imp]

sludge was faceroll ye?

[chilly brook]

If shout was the only reason you dont bring the prot tank

Sludge faceroll?

Lol

It was a pretty big wall

[tender imp]

yes im aware. im questioning the other guy

[lavish oracle]

It was not what they were tailoring their comp around, though

[chilly brook]

And again if you only bring prot warrior for shout

They would have had lightee play BrM

When they brought in arms

[compact smelt]

Warrior is actually strong on sludge though

[lavish oracle]

like, you bring classes that aren't optimal on early bosses to gear them for the last 1 or 2 bosses in RWF

[chilly brook]

Since BrM actually does paladin lite damage

[lavish oracle]

it's a pretty consistent theme, especially with Limit's comps

[golden pollen]

Raid tank issue aside

Still feels weird dh dominating raiderio for m+

[chilly brook]

Also

[tender imp]

why is it weird?

its the best tank atm

[chilly brook]

Happy to say

[lavish oracle]

I mean, they're probably the best tank for the level of key being done atm

[chilly brook]

You didn't see any DK tanks

[lavish oracle]

Bear maybe out tanks them in high keys where survivability becomes a bigger issue

[chilly brook]

DH arguably isn't the best tank but ok

[lavish oracle]

not the best tank

the best tank for the keys being completed right now

[golden pollen]

Was hoping to see more of diversity

[chilly brook]

Bear is arguably the best tank

[tender imp]

keyword arguably

[golden pollen]

I though pally would be

[chilly brook]

I mean its certainly the tankiest

[lavish oracle]

Yes, I agree, but survivability isn't a concern yet and DH does more damage

[chilly brook]

DH just brings dummy damage

[lavish oracle]

so DH does better in the current key range

[chilly brook]

And some decent utility

[lavish oracle]

which is like 18s

probably gonna see more bears if people start pushing above 20s

[golden pollen]

I hope to see those in jan

But towards end of SL

It's gonna be warrior fotm

Cause we scale like crazy

[chilly brook]

But bear also brings good utility, it's the tankiest, and only stands to gain ground

Anyone who's actually focused on key pushing isn't even doing key pushing rn

They're raiding

[brave blaze]

DH tank doesn’t actually tank that’s why it’s best. On higher keys it’ll get aggro and kite while a frost mage or someone slows

[chilly brook]

^

Watching their streams it looks so boring

[brave blaze]

Dratnos uploaded his halls of atonement key and he didn’t tank the trash just kite it around

Looked mundane as hell man total anti play

[chilly brook]

Its DK kite meta all over again from Legion

[golden pollen]

Some people like the kiting style tank play, if they like it then it's great lol

[brave blaze]

I imagine they get slapped in necrotic wake all the caster mobs unless you have a coordinated group with interiors

[tender imp]

kiting will always be a thing unless blizz makes all mobs unslowable

[chilly brook]

Also season 1 rankings for the most part are jokes

[brave blaze]

I hate tanking NW on my war

[golden pollen]

I prefer the face tank style with sidestepping here n there lok

[chilly brook]

Tell that to BFA

[tender imp]

?

u kited in bfa

[chilly brook]

When

[tender imp]

any time u could?

[golden pollen]

8.1?

[chilly brook]

Wat

No lmao

You didn't kite anytime you could lmao

The damage you brought as a tank and the actual tankyness you had meant it was a huge loss to kite

[tender imp]

im not saying perma kite.

but u did kite time to time

[golden pollen]

Necrotic makes me kite

Fuck that affix

[brave blaze]

Cata frost DK was the king of kite if that was the meta back then I used to solo firelands turtles

[chilly brook]

That's not what "any time you could" means

[brave blaze]

You could talent into a howling blast slow

[chilly brook]

Outside of necrotic or a really bolstered boi I never kited tbh

Because it wasn't necessary

[tender imp]

yeah on low lvl it isnt.

[chilly brook]

Nor was it good play

Bruh wat

You didn't really kite at high level either as a warrior

You just used your buttons

[tender imp]

ok then

[golden pollen]

Isn't it perma block for warrior back in bfa

[chilly brook]

Yes

Well not perma

[golden pollen]

Not much reason to kite

[chilly brook]

But huge uptime

Because AM

And ITF

Pre nerf

[golden pollen]

Warrior was meh before ip came off gcd tho

[chilly brook]

It was fine before IP came off the GCD

[golden pollen]

But after it was off gcd 👌

[chilly brook]

You just replaced a devastate cast with IP

It wasn't a big difference

[golden pollen]

Our haste wasn't as high, it wasn't as smooth

[chilly brook]

The biggest gain we got in 8.1 was the ability to block projectiles

But IP had little to do with anything

[tender imp]

dude saying ip change was small

is pretty wrong.

[chilly brook]

People just got their heads out of their asses and realized the spec was tanky af and did insane damage

[golden pollen]

Ip helped am cause of rage dump

[tender imp]

ip off gcd was the biggest buff warr received in bfa

[chilly brook]

I guess all the orange and yellow names are pretty wrong too then

No it wasn't

Literally blocking projectiles was a much bigger buff

[tender imp]

theres like one mob i recall using arrows

in kings rest

thats about it

big change ye.

[chilly brook]

Uhhh

Gun mobs in TD

[golden pollen]

Oh God

[chilly brook]

Gun mobs in Siege

[golden pollen]

Fuck TD

[chilly brook]

Goblins that would almost fuck you with their casts at the start of the goblin dungeon in 8.0

List goes on

[tender imp]

its physical projectiles only

[chilly brook]

There were a lot of physical projectiles in BFA

And again

[golden pollen]

Siege has tons of those

[chilly brook]

Goblin dungeon some of those physical projectiles would almost 1 shot you

In 8.0 because you couldn't mitigate it

[tender imp]

the rock bolt or w/e?

that u could interrupt

[chilly brook]

No

[golden pollen]

I don't recall range physical projectile in that one

[tender imp]

i dont either

[golden pollen]

There some annoying chemist pack tho

[tender imp]

none of those used phys tho.

[chilly brook]

Throw wrench

From off duty laborers

[golden pollen]

arent those the yellow mobs?

[tender imp]

must have been very insignificant if i cant recall them hurting

[chilly brook]

I mean you think IP off the GCD was the biggest change in terms of warrior being viable so I question your memory anyways

[tender imp]

the queen skeleton in kings rest with the bow

she hurt a lot tho

[golden pollen]

that change made warrior muchs moother to paly

smoother*

[chilly brook]

Smoother yes

[tender imp]

feel free to question it

[chilly brook]

Insignificant in the long run to actual viability

[tender imp]

that is where we disagree then

[night wadi]

so u all here saying im wasting my time playing a prot warrior?

😦

[golden pollen]

no

if u enjoy it

its not a waste of time

[chilly brook]

@ionic fern hey Mwahi was IP off the GCD the most important change warrior got in BFA?

[night wadi]

yea but to get into raiding and playing the role i wont be able

[novel temple]

@tender imp WW lets you stack the revenge damage buff from pots if you got the anima power for that so you dont spend the 1-40 stacks on some trash mob. @topaz ember wait, so you're saying kyrian's are fucked basically

[chilly brook]

No not even close lmao warrior is in a pretty decent spot as far as tanks go

[jagged pier]

your class wont be the issue there, tanks are the hardest spot to get in any guild as there are only 2 spots which are usually filled

[golden pollen]

if u wanna tank for a guild, find a start up or have connections

if u wanna tank for m+, ur fine as a warrior

[night wadi]

ok thanks!

[glad scaffold]

do you guys think getting the proving ground achievements mean anything

[jagged pier]

not anymore

[glad scaffold]

@jagged pier wdym? it used to?

[jagged pier]

not really but you used to have to do it to get into hc dungeons well queue for them anyway, but its still tailored for MoP so with the cahnges to classes etc, its so fuking easy now

[chilly brook]

Hey look

Other people who actually played 8.0

[glad scaffold]

I think it depends, for tank its notoriously easy for monks

[chilly brook]

IP off GCD was just a damage buff tbh

[golden pollen]

and i loved it

[chilly brook]

Obviously 100% QoL

[golden pollen]

if ip is back ongcd, i'd hate playing prot

it just wouldnt feel right anymore lol

unless they bring back glad, i'd take that compensation

[chilly brook]

glad stance

RIP

[topaz ember]

Remember 8.0 as prot doing a Tol with those thrown rocks just murdering me, good times

[chilly brook]

mmmhmmm

[golden pollen]

still hoping next xpac it will return

we got 2h frost dk

now we just need glad

[tired cove]

throw rock is the devil ability

[chilly brook]

PrOjEcTiLeS ClEaRlY dIdN't MaTtEr ThAt MuCh

[tender imp]

seems like u got pretty upset mate

[chilly brook]

Super upsetty spaghetti

[golden pollen]

you think blizz will ever bring back heroic strike as a rage dump?

[tender imp]

no

[chilly brook]

But considering BFA dungeons were literally like a 90% physical damage profile which included ranged mobs it's a pretty dumb thing to say

[tender imp]

sorry was busy raiding instead of m+

ip was bigger buff for me.

[chilly brook]

still largely just a damage buff

[golden pollen]

its a bigger buff for me due to smoothing out the gameplay

[chilly brook]

BoM was more of a buff for raid than IP tbh

[golden pollen]

if it feels bad, kinda cant stand playing

[tender imp]

IP off gcd helped AM lot

saying its just dmg is uhh

not really true

[chilly brook]

Not necessarily

You still didn't cap rage before IP off GCD

And you mainly just replaced devastate casts with IP before it was off GCD

[tender imp]

which meant more devastates... more rage

and so on

but whatever im done talking about this

[chilly brook]

If anything I'd argue 8.1 was more of a nerf in raid for prot warrior

Cuz DC nerf

70%+ uptime on Demoralizing Shout was nuts in Uldir

[solar crown]

People say bears are the tankiest, is there a writeup somewhere that explains why? Im talking numbers

Would be interresting to read a proper comparison

[chilly brook]

incarn legendaries and general buffs from beta cycle

That's really the best succinct reasoning I can give you

[solar crown]

Ok :)

[chilly brook]

I think naowh has some content talking about it

[mellow patio]

A) Their legendaries are very very strong

[chilly brook]

He'd probably be able to give a more in depth answer

[mellow patio]

B) armor

C) barkskin dumb

[undone sun]

no u

[chilly brook]

Their Venthyr ability is also dummy good

Just makes incarn that much better

[mellow patio]

Eh venthyr ability is good no doubt but incarn/bearserk is the beef there

But U right paired with incarn that is arguably the most alpha cd in the game

[chilly brook]

100%

[mellow patio]

You are legit unkillable

[chilly brook]

Just has mad synergy

[mellow patio]

and most of their legendaries are strong

Bear gud

[undone sun]

shocking

[mellow patio]

Love bear

Love thyme

Merry chrima thyme

[chilly brook]

I should probably get back to gearing my bear

[undone sun]

Happy Holidays

[chilly brook]

Merry Christmas @mellow patio

Fine I see how it is 😦

[mellow patio]

Chrima

[valid scaffold]

Merry chrismas

[narrow fern]

i have a question. how long does a warrior tank need to be able to hold aggro against a dps that burst after like 2-3 seconds on a raid boss?

[wooden onyx]

0 seconds

[chilly brook]

On a raid boss

charge avatar taunt slam

shouldn't need much more

So basically 0 seconds

[narrow fern]

ok.. i wish i had the logs for the fights where i got aggro on shriekwing and altimor

[muted pendant]

I find it unfair that a prot pally easily gets Aggro of sludge vs me even though he’s not taunting 🙄

[spare cobalt]

yo im hyped on this!

[lavish oracle]

grats!

[muted pendant]

Gz!

How do u like a monk heal in m+? If he’s part of your regular team comp

[prisma gorge]

Merry xmass fellow protectors. How important is weapon ilvl? I was thinking it might have somethin to do with rage gen etc therefore with survability? Like in good old days.

[tepid nest]

it has nothing to do with rage gen, no

attacks do generate rage but weapon attack speed is normalised

[onyx matrix]

Merry xmas dude, honestly idk, since a fast weapon back in the days gave faster rage reg than a slow weapon

Shield slam and TC generates rage, thats pretty much it 😂

[fringe marten]

grats.

[tepid nest]

auto attacks generate 2 rage, but all 1h weapons are the same speed so you cant game that in anyway

you get 3 rage when you're hit, but that has an internal cooldown of 1 second i believe

[fringe marten]

Nah your weapon just determines your attack rating; which a lot of your stuff is scaled off, so it is important.

More damages...more threats...more better.

Also...VORACIOUS CULLING BLADE in Torghast...LOL. I always loathe having to do torghast for the week, but actually I always have fun at the end of the run.

did 12k single target dps to the final boss because all I was doing was smashing executes for 16 to 32k start to finish.

[prisma gorge]

yeah thats what i meant, what everything does scale of it?

[fringe marten]

I'd have to be sure it actually effects your attack rating, and not just base damage.

Almost everything you cast scales off your attack rating.

Weapon may only increase base damage..IE the damage of your abilities, and not increase something like Ignore pain.

[prisma gorge]

yes, and isnt it any more damage output = some rage?

[fringe marten]

But suffice it to say it will do more for increase your damage, and threat gain...than any other piece of gear you'll get. Making it very important.

Weapon follows the same rule most everything else does for prot warrior, iLevel is king.

[tepid nest]

no

weapons come with a lot of strength, so they do increase your attack power. Most of your shit scales off attack power. The only real stats which will 'increase' your rage gen is haste, which lowers your gcd, and cooldown on some abilities

[fringe marten]

No, rage generation is a flat calculation based on the abilities you cast (that generate rage) if they have a rage modifier via a conduit/talent..etc and then your auto attacks generate a small amount of rage, and then you generate rage from damage taken (THAT rage scales from the damage you intake)

[tepid nest]

i did cover all of that above

this guy just doesnt like to read

[prisma gorge]

yeah i missed that one message

save your judgements sigh

[fringe marten]

Right; IE your rage generation comes from the combination of talent choices, and ..in the case of shadowlands, conduit/s. And then your gameplay throughput...IE actions per minute; how quickly and efficiently you generate rage via what buttons you're hitting.

No one's judging you; just making sure you got your question answered accurately.

I cannot comment on other tank class playstyles but warrior requires high APM, hence why haste is our best secondary stat and has no real 'cap'.

[prisma gorge]

i do read a lot 😄

[fringe marten]

I would imagine most every tank class is GCD capped, and requires a lot of thoughtful skill management to be played well.

..Torghast is not the games most compelling content. But with some 2 steps from hell playing; and pulling big packs in the upper layers... it's kinda' badass.

[lavish oracle]

Torg is fun enough

one of the better weekly grind mechanics for sure

It's never like "aw, fuck I still have to do torghast this week" like it was with islands

[chilly brook]

Definitely not lol

Blood DK

20+% downtime

[lavish oracle]

BDK is the most sluggish thing in the world

I will never play that class

well, without big rotation changes, anyways

[chilly brook]

And pally also has periods of nothing to press

[lavish oracle]

Yeah,they're pretty short, though

sometimes I just fill it with consecrate even if I'm already standing on top of it

[chilly brook]

Side bar but somewhat related to earlier conversation

Torghast is honestly some of the best content they've made imo

It just lacks anything to grind for atm

[paper coral]

hey, would ya'll recommend buying the 168 gear as a fresh 60 or settling for the 151 gear?

[chilly brook]

They need to give us the Twisting Corridors already

[lavish oracle]

I need to grind gold so I can use my soul ash, lol

[paper coral]

I tlooks like it would cost about 30k for a set.

[lavish oracle]

or I guess level blacksmithing on my pally

either way, profession grinding

[paper coral]

yeah, i'm thinking of blacksmithing on my warrior. Are there recommended professions?

[lavish oracle]

Nah, mostly just preference

can't go wrong with alchemist

or engi, in keys

[frail wyvern]

I went herb/alchemy to grind my own pots and flasks, plus 2h on flasks

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I'm herb alchy

might switch to engi alchy and just level my druid to herb, though

been meaning to level my druid anyways

[fringe marten]

Yeah; I loathe 'having' to do it for the ash, but it's actually fun to PLAY in...but there's no reason to do it, other than this currency we need to upgrade some old power we had in legion, or an azerite trait we 'just' lost. =\

Like the

[chilly brook]

Twisting Corridors will thankfully give us some cosmetics to work towards

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, grind's'll always suck a little

but it's the least shitty grind in a while

[chilly brook]

Just wish they'd release it already

Theres no reason not to tbh

[fringe marten]

Twisting corridors should add the 'legendary' armor mogs, to be moggable.

And the legendary plate pieces look AMAZING

DAT BELT?

the shoulders are...too DK'ish

[frail wyvern]

They want us running around on foot in the maw a bit longer before we can get the corridors mount 😂

[fringe marten]

but the belt ..I need a mog built around that belt.

[lavish oracle]

the whole set screams DK

but we are in the shadowlands, so it makes sense

[fringe marten]

no..no it does not. You been to Warriorworld? Oh I mean..Maldraxxas?

[lavish oracle]

Nah, that's DK world

[frail wyvern]

I built a mog around lego shoulders and bulwark of azzinoth, its not too bad

[fringe marten]

Where the story, was to forge a ONE HAND sword, to open the door to the THRONE OF CONAN???

Every armor suit those ogres have on..is warrior mog.

[lavish oracle]

they've got big warrior vibes in lore

[fringe marten]

GTFO with your greater DK conspiracy theory.

[lavish oracle]

but the actual aesthetic is big DK

[fringe marten]

(it kind of is yeah DK..because they try and throw some death spice on top of the spikey warrior armor)

[lavish oracle]

Nothing will be as big warrior vibes as Stormheim

[fringe marten]

..don't remind me

[lavish oracle]

We gotta fight Helya again at some point

[fringe marten]

Dude, the first day of legion..when you orbital strike down from Valhalla back to Azeroth, and then that's how you start your 'day' any time you leave there? DUDE

There was no reason for them to ever take that away from us.

[lavish oracle]

Falling out of the sky has always been my favorite part of playing warrior

[fringe marten]

Yeah and they screwed it up like...twice? In legion. Thank god it worked all the way through Bfa

you remember there were like 2 periods in legion where you couldn't 'leap' to the ground from falling

they broke it, fixed it..broke it again..then fixed it again.

[lavish oracle]

yeah, they started the expansion by making it fucking busted

and then toned it down so it broke it

like, you could leap basically anywhere during legion pre-patch

it was absolutely amazing

[fringe marten]

well that's because..yeah. There were MAD old school cheese where you could pivot your camera and leap to super weird spots

you could superman up buildings and stuff.. was way busted. and it was MY CLASS FANTASY.

If rogue class fantasy can be "way way WAY op in PVP for every single expansion ever" can I at least have... "Leap everywhere with thunder.."

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, it was great, heroic leaping across big uncrossable gaps and shit was the best

I'm glad Denathrius has some of that

[frail wyvern]

If your guild ignores the 'warrior bad' vibes going around you will be able to do it 😂

[lavish oracle]

like seeing that kind of thing be useful in a WF fight is sick

[frail wyvern]

Sire is a great fight though

[fringe marten]

ehhh..it's ok? yeah it's pretty good. I like nathria. I think it was a pretty well done first raid

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, great first tier

[paper coral]

The question im faced with now.. do I buy 168 gear and then maybe level BS anyway for the 151, do I level BS and wear 151, or do I buy 168 and do a different prof altogether lol

fuck

[chilly brook]

The fights are good minus Sun King

[lavish oracle]

Amazing art, well designed fights, mostly

[chilly brook]

Fuck that fight

[fringe marten]

as good an expansion as legion was, emerald nightmare was...garbage.

[frail wyvern]

Only fight which i dont like is generals, but I think everyone feels the same there

[chilly brook]

Didnt have an issue with generals

Sun King sucks ass

[fringe marten]

I like generals... because it's one of the few fights where I get to flex my race and covenant to good utility.

[chilly brook]

Boring as shit

[lavish oracle]

Same with Sun King but it's still boring af, haha

[frail wyvern]

I quite like the nothing is going on and suddenly its into top gear on sun King lol

[lavish oracle]

watching the assassins snap back to my spear will never not be satisfying

[fringe marten]

I totally get the design of sun king...give AoE focused classes/builds a place to shine, and healers a different use in the fight (but that's been done before, in raids and dungeons...Heal the Boss)

[lavish oracle]

I think it's interesting, it's just kinda undertuned

or like, half baked, maybe

hard to tell

[fringe marten]

Yeah, if you get a good cluster of assassins...the little? gargoyle adds or whatever...and the big garogyle in a pile, and spear 'em..and watch shit ping pong, it's cool.

[lavish oracle]

Weird that they setup Garrosh but he never showed up

[frail wyvern]

I really enjoyed the huntsman fight tbh

[lavish oracle]

He'll probably be a boss in the last tier, I guess

[fringe marten]

Same thing happens with the trash leading to Hungering Destroyer. the ones on the bridge..it's a bunch of the spider bats...they try and leap around; dump Spear of bastion on them and it's cool.

[lavish oracle]

I find huntsman boring af

[fringe marten]

I like it...because I'm not the Guardian druid.

my cotank sits there with hunts the ENTIRE FIGHT

[spare cobalt]

@muted pendant monk handles pride grevious so good

[fringe marten]

while I get to pull barghast to the sides, and leap across to pull him away from the shades...and then stutter the last bear around..etc.

[lavish oracle]

Even the adds are kinda no-brain after like one pull

[fringe marten]

and use my phial to cure the bleeds on the first bear.

I would not care for huntsman if I was the tank on the huntsman proper.

[frail wyvern]

Anyone else dislike darkvein due to the amount of magic dmg?

[lavish oracle]

it hits hard but eh, not too bad

I don't mind bosses hitting hard so much as just being like unbearably boring to tank, mostly

[fringe marten]

Darkvein is weird...it's like, no damage..then rando spike hit...then no damage for a while..? meh

But yeah darkvein is ...no matter what you tank...super suck

[frail wyvern]

I do feel a bit inadequate compared to my DH cotank on darkvein. Its once you get a few stacks built up, especially if you have to then tank the add too

[fringe marten]

OH yeah remember when we could reflect the stacks, and either use that to reset the counter after getting 1, or delay how long we were holding her..? OH yeah...that was too much utility to let warrior have.

It didn't 'trivialize' the fight at all, just kinda' gave you a way to play with her major swap mechanic..to delay it/survive it better.

Unless with 2 prot warriors you could basically delete the mechanic? (that might have been a possibility)

[lavish oracle]

Blizzard hates when we can ignore tank mechanics

they did the same thing on champions of the light when that was current

even though that boss was stupid easy anyways

[fringe marten]

? Yeah with 2 prot warriors you could take 1 stack, reflect the second...swap, repeat. and never deal with more than 1 stack maximum. WHO THE FK runs 2 prot warriors?!

[lavish oracle]

cool guilds

[buoyant pasture]

@paper coral if you've got the spare change go for the 168. It won't make much of a difference unless you really need the ilvls for being accepted intro groups. A steady group in m0 should be able to roll with whatever gear your tank has until you can start pushing keys. If I can I'm going to skip heroic dungeons completely and focus on m0

[fringe marten]

The cool guilds run 1 prot warrior and get world firsts with it.

[paper coral]

@buoyant pasture I don't have a steady group, no, so I figure the 168 will help

[lavish oracle]

honestly, if you're in a guild, you could probably get an M0 plate stack together

[paper coral]

So, I know haste is stop. According to wowhead, vers is next, is that what you guys recommend?

haste is top*

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I stack haste vers

[buoyant pasture]

Run a raidbots sim for stat weights on your character and every time you get a few upgrades

[paper coral]

I mean, yeah i can do that. My question is for buying a full set of gear now.

[lavish oracle]

I mean, raidbots sims damage, so if that's important for you, sure

[paper coral]

for NOW on the AH, looking for haste/vers pieces or whatever

I could sim each new item, but.. really?

[buoyant pasture]

Oh doesn't it sim ehps?

[paper coral]

not afik.

[fringe marten]

You can't go wrong with Haste/Versa...if you are REALLY focused on M+ Haste/Crit will do well for you as well.

[lavish oracle]

not to my knowledge, unless they did something wild, recently

[paper coral]

@fringe marten ok. so I can mix them up.

[fringe marten]

But Haste/Versa is the Overall winner for tanking 'all' content.

[buoyant pasture]

Is it smart to grab some pvp gear as prot for haste/vers? Or is dungeon grinding going to be better?

[fringe marten]

Kreiger if you mongo slap on max ilevel plate to your character, you will see only a small difference in performance if you could have mostly 'perfect' gear with your optimal choice of secondaries.

[lavish oracle]

the pvp gear is good if you have easy access to it

[paper coral]

I don't, it's a fresh 60.

[hushed vessel]

Yea it's not worth the hassle imo. If you wann pay attention to something make it trinkets

[paper coral]

I do have gold tho.

[lavish oracle]

Haste definitely feels better to play than anything else

[fringe marten]

Yeah but it takes a solid amount to really 'feel' the difference in it.

[buoyant pasture]

I've only got 8k on my server so I could get the 168 version. I could get maybe two pieces or a whole set of 151... So I got the 151

[lavish oracle]

even just hitting 25% to get the nice even 12s SB recharge is pretty significant

[buoyant pasture]

I hit 60 on my war 12 hours ago!

[lavish oracle]

I would buy enough to be able to run heroic dungeons if you can afford it

and then run those

[buoyant pasture]

Yeah that's smart advice

Honestly I'm glad to take a break this weekend for Christmas. I just want to get a head start before tuesday

[onyx matrix]

Guys, would you say that 23% versa is nice?

[fringe marten]

it is, but it's...really high

[onyx matrix]

Mmmmm high and balanced, just the way I like it

[paper coral]

ok, so.. 16.73 haste, 9.8 vers after 168 gear pieces

[onyx matrix]

Pump that haste up ❤

[paper coral]

Working on it. unlocking my covenant now.

[onyx matrix]

Play bgs and gear haha

[paper coral]

and then world quests

[onyx matrix]

Noce

Nice*

Get your conquest to buy those juicy ilvl 200 pieces that grants versa and haste

[paper coral]

I also might race change to orc. I dunno.

I'm tauren atm.

[onyx matrix]

Stick to tauren lol

1 extra cc

And you look way more tankier :D

[hallow phoenix]

undead is the best looking prot warrior there is

tru facts

[paper coral]

Only with the chinese graphic patch

[hallow phoenix]

if you say so

i like the bones

fantastic swing animation as well

[onyx matrix]

Tauren top1 before the skeleton revamp honestly.

[buoyant pasture]

Are you high mountain or vanilla tauren?

[paper coral]

vanilla

this character is a vanilla original.

[hallow phoenix]

yOuRe NoT a SkeLtAl iF yOU hIdE thE bOnEs

only reason im not undead now is cause my troll is also my vanilla character

[paper coral]

I solo tanked Karazhan and SSC on this char.

[buoyant pasture]

My warlock was my first main and also my first to 60 in shadow lands. It feels so good running around on a character I mained nearly ten years ago

[paper coral]

My first char was a warlock. I got him to rank 14 and deleted him because a week later they opened up the HWL gear to everybody in prep for BC and I was pissed.

I wish i hadn't done that now.

[buoyant pasture]

That's a damn shame

[paper coral]

it's ok. it got me to explore other things

[onyx matrix]

This is the way

[hallow phoenix]

Some people have success restoring very old characters

You could try contacting blizz about it

[onyx matrix]

Yea I mean madseason had some of his chars back

After like 10 years +

Randomly

😂😂😂

Dew it

[paper coral]

I went warrior late vanilla. Like I hit 60, did some basic shit adn then BC came out, so I leveled in BC and started tanking.

[onyx matrix]

Cool, did you tank BT?

[paper coral]

I loved BC tanking. When/if classic BC comes out, i'm going back, since no more motherfucking dw fury meta

I did, and Sunwell.

[hallow phoenix]

member crushing blows

[onyx matrix]

Nice, must have been wonderful with a block value set

[paper coral]

I went back to classic for vanilla cause I wanted to try it and I hate dw tanking so much.

[onyx matrix]

And defence rating❤

The thing is @paper coral everyone just plays the meta now

[paper coral]

I do, I remember Wrath, too, when for Ulduar you needed a DK to really crush it so everybody rolled DK and then for ToC Anubarak hardmode you needed blockcap.

[hallow phoenix]

I miss my block value set for TotGC anubarak

oh man

[onyx matrix]

Its a shame but yea

[hallow phoenix]

was the only tank in my guild with an unhittable set

[paper coral]

Tusks, right???

[frail wyvern]

Dw tanking in classic when weapon drops are super rare sucks

[hallow phoenix]

I was also on twin valk orb bitch duty

[paper coral]

I mean, i had my Edgemasters and my daggers. I had one binding and a bunch of my arcanite crystals.

[hallow phoenix]

cause i had a shadow resist set

[frail wyvern]

Good threat etc but dps get a bit pissed waiting 6 months for a weapon 😂

[onyx matrix]

I stopped playing classic, its a time sinker

[paper coral]

and I hate tanking as dw. I hated wearing mail.

I want to have a fucking shield and slam things in the face and never die, not be squishy but high tps.

[onyx matrix]

Then tbc is better

[hallow phoenix]

is that the classic meta? The fury tank build?

[paper coral]

I pushed Deep prot as far as I could in classic. I was one of the higher parsing deep prot wars on Fight Club.

[frail wyvern]

I quit it just before AQ launch. Will probably play tbc just for the crazy start of exp levelling experience

[onyx matrix]

Same with wrath there, prot warriors did some awesome damage in dungs and pvp

[hallow phoenix]

OMG

NEVER FORGETTI POPPING A BV TRINKET AND ONE SHOTTING CLOTHIES WITH SHIELD SLAM

[paper coral]

@hallow phoenix yeah, with the amount of DPS that people do in classic now, you can't really go deep prot anymore.

[onyx matrix]

@hallow phoenix yes haha

[paper coral]

They just rip aggro too fast

[hallow phoenix]

thats aids

i dont like that

I leveled prot in vanilla

[frail wyvern]

We had fury prot, deep prot and druid as our 3 tanks. Gave decent options depending on the fight

[onyx matrix]

I played on warmane, yea ik but I sticker to 70 and maxad block value and critted for like 15k with my shield slams instantly killing lvlers😂😂😂😂

[frail wyvern]

A well played deep prot does nice threat, not as good as fury but perfectly acceptable

[onyx matrix]

Sticked*

I honestly cant wait to do it again when retail wotlk classic releases

If it does

[frail wyvern]

Wotlk, where threat means nothing 😂

[onyx matrix]

Hahaha😂

You still need the expertise and hit rating though

[hallow phoenix]

I remember having some mild threat issues in ulduar without tricks or something

[paper coral]

@frail wyvern for alliance, yeah, for hordeside if you have decent fury warriors you need to go fury.Even with Thunderfury

[buoyant pasture]

I feel like blizz shouldn't release the expansions for classic. Part of the appeal is that it's just classic wow. It would be cool to see some new content though.

[hallow phoenix]

like on Hodir when a mage got the buff

maybe i was just trash tho

[paper coral]

then again, i stopped tanking in classic in late BWL, so maybe with dps gear now from wrath you can do better? I dunno. I'd need to go dw fury to keep up, and I hated hated dw fury.

[hallow phoenix]

Wrath dungeons were a blast though

Got my pocket hpal and just pulled the entire dungeon

[paper coral]

I liked BC dungeons

[buoyant pasture]

They are doing wotlk for the time walking event next week

[frail wyvern]

We were 150 world, our deep prot was fine on certain fights. We also used him on things like vael to grab immediate aggro and let the fury tank overtake him after 10s or so

[hallow phoenix]

wotlk dungeons with target cap will not be the same

[buoyant pasture]

I also really liked TBC. I was on my lock for most of it but I leveled a few alts and never got bored. I will say going back to Vashj for T5 helm and she STILL hasn't dropped it is mildly infuriating. I spent all my dkp on other stuff then we moved onto The Eye

[hallow phoenix]

i also miss DKP or variants thereof

felt way more fair

but classic doesnt have m+ so woe is me

[fringe marten]

I remember the first time I heard of DKP..playing Everquest.

NNOOOOOooooooooo... they nerfed Scratched Knife.

I am just now getting it for the first time since..the last time I ran with it.

../salute Scratched Knife; you were once magnificent.

[paper coral]

So, with devastator, whats your filler? or do you not have one?

[sweet summit]

you just dont have one

[paper coral]

Thats weird. Ok.

[buoyant pasture]

Ignore Pain becomes your filler haha.

I tried using devastate for a full boss when I talented it during threads of fate. Took it off my bars after that

[paper coral]

I worry that if I set IP there i'll use it when I meant to use SB

[sweet summit]

more like shield slam becomes your filler

you get more SS resets with devastator

so slam those shields

[tepid nest]

how much does the quality of our shield affect our survivability?

[paper coral]

You know, i'm seeing that. I had SS set a little off filler cause i'm used to not hitting it THAT often

[sweet summit]

large

[paper coral]

but it';s practically up all the time now

[sweet summit]

use it whenever possible

[tepid nest]

was that to me Erga?

[sweet summit]

ye

[tepid nest]

so a good shield is important?

[sweet summit]

very

[tepid nest]

ok cool

cos i have a 146 one atm and feel like im taking quite a bit of damage

also those first couple of packs in De Other Side fucking wreck

[buoyant pasture]

Do you value ss over free revenge in priority?

[sweet summit]

big ilvl shield is very noticable in terms of damage intake

[tepid nest]

so much spell damage

[sweet summit]

ya just dont tank those, jump in with cds grab aggro and fuck off

[tepid nest]

i'd imagine so, revenges main value (besides threat gen) is that it can reset shield slam

[sweet summit]

unless you have a deathwish

[tepid nest]

ok thanks erga

[sweet summit]

SS>revenge yeah. unless you need aoe threat

[buoyant pasture]

Noted.

[paper coral]

oh my ffucking god. my loot spec has been set to arms

so all my world quests are 2handers

Kill me.

[sweet summit]

world quests dont follow lootspec

[paper coral]

what about reward chests?

Like from 3 world quests

[sweet summit]

callings?

[paper coral]

Sure.

[sweet summit]

yah they do

[paper coral]

yeah, one of those gave me a 2hander as well, and shoulders

Oh well

[left cave]

morning all!

this isnt better than dev talent?

[chilly brook]

No

[dense pivot]

I'm not sure about math behind it, but AA rage feels super low

so 50% of low is still low 🙂

[chilly brook]

You go from 2 rage

To 3

Its literally only good if things are always dying

But that's not how content works

Outside of maybe Sun King it basically has no use

And that's a big maybe

[sweet summit]

torghast

[chilly brook]

Meh

Devastator still in torghast imo

Since the only part that presents a challenge are the bosses

Imagine if war machine gave us 5 rage per auto attack

[strong forum]

It's 1 more rage per Auto, dev is more dmg and more rage. The on death rage gain is meh cuz the pull is over by the time you get the most of it

[paper coral]

prot warrior animas are kind of nuts, eh?

[dense pivot]

in general warrior powers are very good, I didn't do torghast on other classes tho so can't compare

[leaden forge]

hey guys, can someone help me a bit with stat weights? I'm unable to find a guide or something that includes more specific %'s for Shadowlands.

[paper coral]

Ultimately you want to sim yourself

[leaden forge]

in what? simc doesn't work for defensive stuff, right?

[paper coral]

Oh. derp

[sweet summit]

ilvl>>>>haste>vers>=crit>mastery

there are no specific %s to aim for

[leaden forge]

I see. is low versatility very bad for tanking?

[sweet summit]

no

[leaden forge]

cause the way my items dropped so far has that effect.

I got like 7% vers.

[sweet summit]

thats fine

[chilly brook]

I need to make a low effort meme about people worrying about stats

[jade axle]

Tanking so strange coming from playing classic, I feel like I dont use Ignore Pain or Shield block nearly enough; is there a rule of thumb i should be following?

[chilly brook]

Uh yes

[jade axle]

I.e am I using them reactively or trying to maintain them

[sweet summit]

when taking blockable damage, keep up SB

[chilly brook]

That's wrong