Game is unfinished af
#protection
mellow patio
chilly brook
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
mellow patio
A l p h a
chilly brook
Idk why a dive animation matters
chilly brook
And by splash I assume you mean the fragmenting when it hits a surface?
chilly brook
Lol wat
mellow patio
And car kept driving
sweet summit
Me and mwahi have been scuffing keys!!
woven trellis
what u guys actually think about Unbreakable will in m+
strong forum
Might see some play once you get to equip 2 legendaries
For now, borderline useless
woven trellis
im sad to see there isnt any legendary that have moderate impact in every spec
mighty valley
seems really situational when you can only pick one, personal survivability always important, team-wide burst not always important
woven trellis
i just popped up 60 and wanted to craft a versatile first legendary
but there isnt
woven trellis
was asking about Unbreakable cause it goes on chest so its a pretty good up in stats anyway
and at least it doesnt do negative impact on the wrong spec
strong forum
Having a legendary that doesn't work on other specs is always gonna have negative impact
woven trellis
not in the way i meant it
i meant like having unhinged on protwarrior is making it worst
chilly brook
I just wish we had a true DPS legendary
strong forum
But idk why you'd bother crafting a weak legendary just for its slot
woven trellis
i meant signet
woven trellis
wdym
mighty valley
you're better off optimizing for one thing and worse at another thing than worse at both things
chilly brook
Doesn't work with ravager
strong forum
It only works with avatar for prot
chilly brook
Its bugged
woven trellis
charts says 400 dps upgrade, its pretty accurate to what other specs get
chilly brook
Its bugged
strong forum
You can play with any legendary, but the better question is, what is gonna be your main spec
woven trellis
You *can* play with any legendary, but the better question is, what is gonna be ...
actually i plan to do 50/50 Warprot m+ and PVP arms, but i will also help ppl as arms raid
strong forum
Then craft both unhinged and the wall or thunderlord
chilly brook
Like it's weird to me
strong forum
I have 3 legendaries rn
chilly brook
That they didn't give us Khakushan
mighty valley
tl vs the wall arguments is half this channel
strong forum
I have all 3, TL, wall and unhinged
chilly brook
The Wall is good
chilly brook
Worthless if you dont press shield wall which a lot of people dont
Well not worthless
woven trellis
wdym a lot of people dont press shield wall
woven trellis
yeah right like a lot of fire mage dont press Combust
strong forum
Yes
ocean yoke
Gotta be willing to be really free with using shield wall
chilly brook
strong forum
Alot of mages never use iceblock
ocean yoke
instinctively its hard to freely use a big cooldown at first
chilly brook
Like The Wall gives you about a 60 second CD on Shield Wall, if you're not being liberal with your use of Shield Wall you're better off with TL
In m+
molten lodge
Dumb question - I've been offspeccing prot for 95% of my M+ runs (guess it's now my main spec, lol!). Currently have a 210 Deathmaker equpped as my leggo. Is there any major detriment besides being out the gold/soul ash to just crafting the 210 TL piece for tanking and swapping leggos out as needed?
woven trellis
i am VERY liberal with shieldwall
i barely hold it
any dmg input i can get off helps healer to smooth the run
tbh i prolly press it 2 much
strong forum
Dumb question - I've been offspeccing prot for 95% of my M+ runs (guess it's now...
I have 3 leggos, soo
Just craft as you need
The ilvl doesn't really matter
woven trellis
ill craft the wall anyway cause its design feels good and i like dragon roar anyway
strong forum
If you're fine using deathmaker then do so, you're just hindering your dmg and surv a bit by not having a prot leggo
It's not detrimental
But doesn't help you either ykno
molten lodge
alright then, I'll probably end up making TL today. thanks @strong forum!
strong forum
ill craft the wall anyway cause its design feels good and i like dragon roar any...
Don't play dragon roar
That's inting
stuck oriole
Wait why do you not like the more rage of booming shout
woven trellis
is it? i played it in prepatch and didnt actually checked whats best now but i loved it
fiery badge
^ I’m crafting unhinged first because I PvP is my main thing. I’ll make a Prot leggo too but that will be later
strong forum
is it? i played it in prepatch and didnt actually checked whats best now but i l...
They nerfed it
woven trellis
ah
strong forum
It does way less dmg in aoe now
ocean yoke
The reduced roar damage on targets past first is brutal
strong forum
It already loses 30% on the 2nd target, by the 5th target it does only 20% total dmg
fiery badge
Idk why they had to go and do that
woven trellis
well Thunderlord would be better if im forced to go booming voice cause it makes more dmg as well isnt it
strong forum
So they omega capped it
woven trellis
isnt it
strong forum
well Thunderlord would be better if im forced to go booming voice cause it makes...
It's more dmg with thunderlords than wall yes
strong forum
I just prefer the constant +5 rage and lowered CD on SW
Sitting on 4min CD of SW is rough
Especially with how hard some stuff hits in m+ that you can't just block
woven trellis
true
strong forum
That being said
woven trellis
having 2min bolster and 3min SW must feel good
glad ore
Is venthyr still good for prot?
ocean yoke
I have liked having TL upgraded for this week because I can just keep clapping the spiteful adds
Easy to have shout for just about every pack
sweet summit
venthyr slaps dps in raid, blows ass in m+
strong forum
Is venthyr still good for prot?
its alright in raid, bad in m+
ocean yoke
Yeah its super close either way, I usually go wall too
i have better alternate shoulders than i do boots as well
fiery badge
I need to get in the raid then for my wall
ocean yoke
The extra rage is kinda addicting
woven trellis
and what about unhinged as prot btw
i dont see any mention but is it good dmg input or
fiery badge
Would we be going with AM if we are using the Wall
More rage = more rage to dump = more uptime on avatar = more DPS
ocean yoke
Shield wall Cd gets disgusting with AM
stuck oriole
The wall and am open plus the conduit it shield wall is like a 1 min cd
fiery badge
Shoot I know. Walls will be up all of the time
woven trellis
Shoot I know. Walls will be up all of the time
if that was true, if would be mandatory in m+ i guess so there must be some reason it doesnt work that way
probably that having shield wall all the time isnt useful if u miss too much SB uptime
would be my first thought
ocean yoke
Yeah pretty much
potent anvil
Imma just craft leap leggo and pretend Im a VDH
timber lagoon
Bolster feels really good to fill SB gaps, I still use it with The Wall
ionic fern
Imma just craft leap leggo and pretend Im a VDH <:weird:718676218500874320>
The real play.
ocean yoke
"you want me to kite this pack? say no more fam"
fiery badge
Yeah bolster has saved my ass a few times
ocean yoke
At least for m+ i usually still use bolster even if im using wall
fiery badge
@woven trellis I’ve read in all of the guides that both TL and TW are equally good, just depends on what you’re going . As long as you have one you’re Gucci
woven trellis
why do u see so much prot on raider io with signet
oak heart
dps probably
ionic fern
Cause they are DPS mains in raid.
potent anvil
Forced to do keys as a dps main
woven trellis
Cause they are DPS mains in raid.
well it doesnt explain why they equip it in their prot gear
woven trellis
yeah i thought the risk of procing in m+ was bad
ocean yoke
tbh they may not realize it doesnt really work for prot
ocean yoke
considering how many people ask about it here
woven trellis
can u?
ionic fern
Yes.
potent anvil
You can use defensives during bs
potent anvil
Says so on tooltip
ocean yoke
at least for ravager part
ionic fern
DPS wise it can also pull some big numbers.
woven trellis
ill craft that first cause ill play arm pvp and pve as well and then the wall so
good
on wowhead they say not to craft it cause u cant do anything while bladestorm as a prot
fiery badge
I’m going unhinged then either wall or TL
woven trellis
it must be corrected then
sick sentinel
so i feel like this is a stupid question BUT i'm tired of tank recruiting for my guild so i'm looking to swap. I didn't actually level my warrior because of how weak it seemed in beta...as far as prot specifically goes, why do you think Limit chose to run Prot Warrior? Just a case of bringing the player instead of the class, or is there something I'm not thinking of that makes them particularly good for Nathria?
placid oar
Merry Xmas fellow warrior Tanks!! Hope everyone have a great year~
strong forum
also theyre pretty good on every boss besides Inerva and Sunking
formal river
@sick sentinel what nomer said. Dont read into tier lists and overanalyze
sick sentinel
inerva/sunking more like mechanics/brain checks anyways
formal river
Play what you like and what feels the best to you.
frail wyvern
Allows them to keep a rally in the raid for fights where arms doesn't perform well too
sour sluice
Is raidbots crazy AF for my stat weights, i feel like haste shouldnt be at the bottom for prot
Weapon DPS 9.12
Strength 1.55
Mastery 1.00
Critical Strike 0.62
Versatility 0.48
Haste 0.43
carmine crag
inerva/sunking more like mechanics/brain checks anyways
that's why they chose prot warr
mighty valley
Is raidbots crazy AF for my stat weights, i feel like haste shouldnt be at the b...
seems a little weird, but raidbots always undervalues haste because it's simming for pure dps only
sweet summit
Is raidbots crazy AF for my stat weights, i feel like haste shouldnt be at the b...
haste is the best defensive secondary overall, sims are for dps
sour sluice
ahh very true, good point everyone, thanks
sick sentinel
I'm pretty sure that stat thing should be inverse haste best mastery worst
sweet summit
looks right to me idk
formal river
It depends what you're doing too. In ToP mastery is fkin great
sour sluice
thats what i was thinking too, and why i asked my smashy bois
formal river
Block all that phys
sour sluice
mostly M+ for me
ocean yoke
for pure dps its right as erga said
sick sentinel
I can't say with confidence about sl but in bfa it was haste >crit/versa > mastery
ocean yoke
mastery gives attack power too, im guessing its why its higher
sweet summit
yep
with the loss of azerite/essences and stat/level squish, mastery flew up in offensive value
sick sentinel
My phone un-ironically corrects bfa to bad lmao
sour sluice
yeah, i tried generating stat weights to have something useful for pawn, but thats out lol
formal river
Fk it, I'm follow the sims. Mastery crit stack for me.
ionic fern
Don't use pawn. 🙂
formal river
Get ready for my revenges
sweet summit
useful and pawn does not work in the same sentence 
sick sentinel
Wait so I should be after mastery now for keys?
ocean yoke
gotta go big dick mastery crit stack and revenge legendary
sour sluice
hahaha, i use it for arms. is there a better alternative?
sweet summit
top gear in raidbots
formal river
@ocean yoke fk yeah
ocean yoke
pump for a few seconds until death
frail wyvern
I didn't sim once this exp, am I bad? 
oak heart
top gear in raidbots
doesnt raidbots sim for dps also?
sick sentinel
That's what I figured I was gonna be like fuck me deleted all my mastery gear
sweet summit
it only sims for dps
oak heart
then "top gear" would be the same result as pawn
sweet summit
no?
formal river
I'm keeping all my mastery gear for running friends through low keys
Its fun yo super block
To*
Until there is a bleed or magic of course.
Then I'm paper
sick sentinel
I don't really understand how people say "you can't SIM a tank" like it's just s big math calculation
You got so much armor and there are mobs that do so much melee or abilities on a timer and your using defensive or not and you are or not standing in crap
oak heart
you can't sim a tank because it's not supported by simulationcraft, it's much easier to sim a DPS
there are too many factors
frail wyvern
There's too much variation fight to fight in terms of dmg type, how hard the boss hits etc
ocean yoke
You can sim some stuff but when it is based so much on using active mitigations and CDs at the right time it gets hard to sim
sweet summit
you can sim tank dps
ionic fern
You CAN'T sim tank defensively. There are TOO many variables.
ocean yoke
alright i see we are all on the same page lmao
formal river
You could write a script for every dungeon averaging out melee swings and casts. But you might blow your brains out.
sweet summit
the way stat weights work is it just adds X amount of stat to each different stat and gives you the average amount one of that stat will increase your dps by
what top gear does is it runs multiple simulations with different gear sets of your choosing and compares everything then spits out the best possible combination
frail wyvern
Expansion would be over by the time you accurately recreated all dungeons & raid fights in a sim 😂
formal river
Lol
sweet summit
sick sentinel
Well some of the ground work how to do it in the future would be there so it could become easier
exotic spoke
Not really IMO
honest plinth
holy shit they timed 20 key
sweet summit
ye theyre insane
sick sentinel
I just hate going in a key and getting destroyed by some random trash because I didn't gigs brain calculate in bolstering or something or some random spell I didn't sr
turbid cargo
I still maintain that it would be neat (if not somewhat useful) to be able to just sim the tanking dummy, with time until death being the metric, possible input for a flat external healing per second value. That's it, just patchwerk with fixed (but mixed) damage profile and incrementing damage
exotic spoke
Are you assuming that every spell is kicked / reflected? What about missed kicks. What about bad RNG on dodging mechanics / targetted abilities?
What about when your dps doesnt kill things fast enough to push a phase or pushes it faster than expected?
Would you like me to go on?
oak heart
<https://medium.com/raidbots/beware-of-stat-weights-240769a5323e> <@!13421151672...
But you said to use raidbots top gear, that will put haste lower than the other 3 and fuck your gearing up
exotic spoke
I mean, bolstering is easy. Kill evenly or pick one priority target in a group and burst it down while cleaving the others mobs.
frail wyvern
I've just gone and done 7 key to get a feel for the new affix combo each week
sick sentinel
I just hate feeling like the team was depending on me and letting them down by wiping and not making time
frail wyvern
Do you play with a set team or randoms?
sick sentinel
Always feel terrible when it happens
sweet summit
fuck em
depleting is part of the game, happens no matter what at some point
sour sluice
yeah, i had a DK leave a +5ToP because "the tank will not be able to complete the key in time"
sweet summit
sometimes you mess up, other times its others
sick sentinel
Random normally, wasn't good enough for guild team
ocean yoke
tbh if there isnt some individual mistake towards the end that directly leads to not timing there is always some other area for the whole team to fix
sour sluice
we +2'd the key i think
tranquil leaf
what talent shouldi use in row 1? for dungeons?
sweet summit
devastator
frail wyvern
Just as likely one of the other randoms fucks up then yogi, although they will likely blame you anyway
sour sluice
devastator forever
ocean yoke
part of the tank/healer burden sadly
exotic spoke
Erga is correct - failing is a step in learning. If people can't* accept it then fuck em
formal river
There will always be assholes
The majority of players that are actually good will accept mistakes
sick sentinel
By end of bad I would just drop key after the first or second wipe sadly
exotic spoke
Own the mistake, learn from it and improve.
formal river
Its the people that think they are better than they are that will bitch at the tank
warm plinth
I just hate feeling like the team was depending on me and letting them down by w...
There is so much more to a wipe than you anyway
oak heart
in legion I had a pug shammy healer pull 4 big packs and the boss on bolstering week, eye of azshara +12 or something. he died and said "shit tank" and left. this made me really hate randoms
sour sluice
improve? ew. no 😛
formal river
Its like diamond league players.
sweet summit
Own the mistake, learn from it and improve.
this this this this this this
sick sentinel
Not worth listening to people crying and screaming at each other over who did what wrong and your trash bla bla
exotic spoke
thanks doot doot
frail wyvern
Having 3 low dps is just as bad as a slightly underprepped tank. That stressed the healer more tbh
tranquil leaf
anger management or bolster for dungeons?
exotic spoke
Know what you can and can't control. Work to improve what you can control and mitigate what you can't control.
sweet summit
bolster defensively, AM for dps
exotic spoke
Bolster
sweet summit
up to you what you need
formal river
Bolster is very very good
tranquil leaf
interestring. thanks!
frail wyvern
No talk just smash
formal river
Damn you tank for communicating
ocean yoke
damn he went from 5 brain cells to 4
oak heart
If you want to improve and have a little bit of time, record your run and watch it back, you'll notice what you can do differently, if you can pull extra, etc
mighty valley
god this is why I just... don't pug
ocean yoke
poor guy
sick sentinel
I do try to learn from my mistakes and admit them it feels like there are a million and 1 things you can do to improve
exotic spoke
Do you record your runs / log them?
sick sentinel
Gets overwhelming sometimes especially with threat of clock
mighty valley
pick a thing you know you're not good at and try and do it great in a lower key
exotic spoke
TBH - a good amount of the things that go wrong in a run that get blamed on the tank aren't the tanks fault.
formal river
That's why pussies never play tank *flex
Like a league top laner. Must be the junglers fault!
frail wyvern
The clock is a bit misleading at times. If you focus on doing it cleanly you will easily get a +1, sometimes +2. Rushing is alot of the reason keys fail
sick sentinel
I feel like tank is like 60% of the group success but it's what I enjoy sadly
exotic spoke
Obviously, pull speed / pacing / what you pull is in your control. But some things that gety you killed (such as kicks going through / dps focusing the wrong target down etc) aren't
ocean yoke
fucking tank not interrupting every cast? are you iron 3?
formal river
Yes, the dps job is just to blindly follow the tank and perform optimal dps button rotations
No ownership of the run required.
mighty valley
dps blame is just more invisible, and since tank + healer can often pick up the slack of bad dps, they get blamed when they can't save the day
fiery badge
Yeah that same Ret didn’t have cleanse on his bar while I was getting wrecked by disease DoTs. Healer was a shaman who can’t cleanse disease
formal river
On my alt dk I try to be helpful as fuck when dpsing because I know how hard it is to get in a pug as dps
fiery badge
But yeah, trash noob tank for communicating
oak heart
its your fault for not using a phial 😛
frail wyvern
3rd boss in NW is great for dodgy dps players. They can't hook the boss, face tank fixate
left cave
best m+ legendary for prot?
carmine crag
my biggest issue with tanking (and i've only ever tanked as prot): I lose aggro in the beginning of a fight and then the mobs are all spread out over the dps and I can't really aggro them 1 by 1 without someone dying
fiery badge
@oak heart no phial, night fae chad over here
formal river
Thunderlord probly @left cave
exotic spoke
Thundergods @left cave
formal river
Demo is invaluable
carmine crag
any tips on avoiding that?
oak heart
my biggest issue with tanking (and i've only ever tanked as prot): I lose aggro ...
you have aoe taunt now for those situations
twin comet
Revenge spam
formal river
1 revenge, not spam lol
ocean yoke
If youre kyiran, spear is good for that, challenging shout if not available
twin comet
Revenge, tab, revenge
formal river
Spread wounds
exotic spoke
Ravager or spear is basically instant aggro on pull and then thunder clap on CD basically
ocean yoke
but i would save it with revenge
carmine crag
yeah, it helps, but sometimes the range is too small or it's already on CD
mighty valley
@carmine crag this is another thing that can be a DPS problem but everyone blames tank anyway lmao. pick a focus target, use your DPS cooldowns when the DPS are using theirs. challenging shout in a panic
nimble drift
@carmine crag aoe taunt, spear for instant threat, jump in and drop 1-2 revenge
With 2 revenge I can hold aggro
mighty valley
aggro is only an issue now when every dps is going ham on different targets
formal river
And just be tactical. If it's a 4 pack that's spread a but pick 3 to blast and save taunt for 4th
ocean yoke
At least in my experience once you have the pack for like 4 or 5 seconds its all good unless someone pops stuff for one guy
carmine crag
when the DPS pull out their big dick burst just as the fight starts they take off all the aggro (even worse if they're ranged) and it stresses me out
frail wyvern
A good tip is heroic throw before charging, spread packs will get a bit more compact so TC/revenge hits everything on the first hit
carmine crag
good tip
thorny stone
it feels so bad to change a ilvl200 neck with 123 haste, for a 213 with 147 mastery just for the ilvl 😦
carmine crag
haven't been using HT a lot
mighty valley
you can also try and aim your ravager on the pull at where you want to be so ravager+revenge+TC opens the fight together
fiery badge
Ancient after shock is good for getting Aggro in the beginning
ocean yoke
yeah its got a specific "generates a high amount of threat" in the description
left cave
thunderlord seems really nice
frail wyvern
I also tend to kite the final mob of a pack so the dps are still getting into place when I'm charging in. If dps are waiting for you to pull they will go ham right away
nimble drift
it feels so bad to change a ilvl200 neck with 123 haste, for a 213 with 147 mast...
I was wondering about this. It feels like every class focuses specific stats, meanwhile we focus ilvl.
proper pecan
Is Evasive Lunge blockable on council of blood?
formal river
No
sweet summit
yes it is
tranquil leaf
ravager worth using with spear? or should i use unstoppable or into the fray?
formal river
U sure?
sweet summit
yes
nimble drift
Ravager for m+
tranquil leaf
for dungeons*
nimble drift
And ad fights
formal river
The damage and not the debuff?
sweet summit
ravager is the go to in m+
sweet summit
the damage ofc, youre not immune to debuffs even if youre blocking
fiery badge
@carmine crag it’s like 30-40 % of my over all damage
open monolith
We're also not immune to warped desires anymore :(
frail wyvern
You can block the immediate dmg of evasive lunge, ofc the dmg stack still applies
carmine crag
another question: how do you guys deal with overhead slash on Kin-tara? I can usually dodge it by stepping forward but it's not very reliable
open monolith
Ty blizzard for nerfing op prot warrior
carmine crag
<@152840681780543489> it’s like 30-40 % of my over all damage
same here lmao, I practically use it on CD
open monolith
@carmine crag get a weak aura or Dbm do you know when it is coming, sidestep in advance
ocean yoke
you can also look at her energy
sweet summit
they changed it and its just a "tank nuke" @carmine crag
open monolith
Or energy, yeah
frail wyvern
Dodge left or right is my approach for overhead slash, going through the boss sounds like it might turn and hit you in the back after the slash
sweet summit
so just block it 4head
open monolith
Does it no longer have the " less damage on the sides " aspect?
carmine crag
ah shit i gotta fix my nameplates addon so it shows energy
vocal bison
If you have dbm it will flash “overhead soak” on the screen when it happens, when it flashes just strafe left/right for .5 sec and you’re good
proper pecan
the damage ofc, youre not immune to debuffs even if youre blocking
hmm, seems like I have to quickly turn around to actually block it
undone jacinth
and does like half dmg
sweet summit
yep, but dont turn to early or you might nuke the melee camp!
proper pecan
ye, ty
undone jacinth
its not meant to hit anyone else
vocal bison
If you’re fancy you can leap out/intervene and avoid it completely, just need to watch positioning
mighty valley
does anyone else's DBM still scream "Taunt Now" when the 2nd boss in Spires blinks
carmine crag
If you have dbm it will flash “overhead soak” on the screen when it happens, whe...
you have to update DBM
now it just says defensive
carmine crag
does anyone else's DBM still scream "Taunt Now" when the 2nd boss in Spires blin...
mine stopped doing that yesterday
rich dagger
Hello ! I have trinkets ( Oryphrione, Hakkars, Echelon and Hungering Destroyer's ones) at different Ilvl and I have no idea how to chose, should i only focus ilvl ?
vocal bison
I remember when it first came out and it was saying overhead soak, definitely thought it was a “soak”, didn’t turn out well, lol
carmine crag
also, still on SoA, how do you guys tank groups with the mobs who run away and then spam ranged abilities? keep kiting them?
vocal bison
spear or los
carmine crag
yeah during the beginning it told me to soak overhead slash
it's kinda hard to los them on the "corridors"
frail wyvern
They did nerf the dmg of it at least
frail wyvern
I found those ranged mobs who run away dont really hurt until a 9 or 10, I tend to make sure I get good aggro on them and let them jump where they want, kill last. Some affixes might make it better to kill them sooner though
frail wyvern
Smash ignore pain 😂
There are some tricky packs in there though to be fair, especially on fortified
Some areas you can use stairs or corners to LoS them if they jump to a good spot
carmine crag
they do 3k dmg/cast on a 1-second cast on m0, on m+ scaling+fortified they hurt a lot more
ocean yoke
Can spell reflect the cast and go to them, they stop when you get back to melee
carmine crag
yeah that's my strategy atm
still never feel confortable moving the rest of the pack idk why
sweet summit
my bigbrain strat in spires is to bring a dk
ocean yoke
yeah ive got a group member who knocks em back but each other i go to
frail wyvern
My guild runs have tended to be melee heavy...holy pala, ww monk , DH and DK so running around too much just gimps dps and healing
carmine crag
shield block+spell reflect and piercing barb only does like 1.5k dmg
golden tapir
Where can i find the spell reflect list
carmine crag
uh
ocean yoke
should still be pinned
frail wyvern
I think i saw it in guides
ocean yoke
yeah it is, reflectguide
carmine crag
yeah first pin
spell reflect on globrog's plaguestomp is also essential
wow you can deflect the bad stuff during executor tarvold
nice
surreal ember
Last week I was able to reliably spell reflect Warped Desires on Darkvein keeping mine and my co-tank's stacks to 1. This week I wasn't able to spell reflect it at all. Anybody know of a hotfix in that case that was put in this week?
ocean yoke
thats a fat rip
plucky wave
Ok so I'm new to warrior this xpac.
I know I have to keep raise shield up as much as I can and especially when a big hit comes. But what about ignore pain?
It SEEMS so good. Like if I pull a large pack, shout for rage then use it 3 times or so its like a half hp shield for 50% of my hp
I'm guessing this is absolutely wrong
Lol
plucky wave
Is there a priority?
formal river
Depends on the situation
plucky wave
Warrior seems like a hella good tank but has a high skill ceiling
formal river
No one interrupt that spell? Cast IP
plucky wave
Unlike some other tanks
woven trellis
Is there a priority?
yes priority is always SB instead dmg input is magical
but ultimately ure supposed to use both
plucky wave
Got it. I do seem to have trouble sometimes with aggro on large packs
Best advice for that?
Revenge spam? But then I dont have rage for shield or pain :(
Lol
steel mauve
ravager or revenge, but after the first few seconds you shouldnt have much aggro issues unless a dps is absolutely going ham on a target you havent switched to yet, in which case a quick taunt fixes that
woven trellis
keep taunt for the angry birds, dont use it on pull
steel mauve
you shouldnt need to spam revenge, a quick one should be enough to give you time to tab target
red swallow
Anyone got a good WA for externals? None of the ones i find seem to work well
steel mauve
you should constantly be tabbing during trash pulls, shield slamming each mob as it comes off and using both aoe and single target abilities
steel mauve
once you shield slam a target, switch to a different one and slam him next its off cd, and repeat while using tcvlap and free revenges between
plucky wave
I'm also thinking of going engineering for dungeons for pushing M+. The rocket belt and battle rez seems to really up warrior utility
steel mauve
never stick to a target, and use revenge if you feel like you dont need th ip or youll cap on rage
the bres probably isnt great, its a cast time that you cant mitigate during
plucky wave
I've seen it mostly used on bosses
If a dps or heals go down
Had a warrior save our key with it
I fell in kove
Love*
Lol
deft vessel
Random question - what do you guys use talent-wise and legendary wise in Torghast
It's all rather trivial after the nerfs but just curious
steel mauve
thunderlords and standard talents
finite prairie
I use my standard m+ build and TL
deft vessel
standard meaning bolster? really? in torghast?
finite prairie
Yes
deft vessel
fair enough
steel mauve
im too lazy to switch talents honestly
finite prairie
But only because its literally more of a hassle for me to change spec and change back after than to knock it out in 30 minutes regardless
deft vessel
I tend to swap to AM for torghast, tend to keep ravager tho, and also keep booming voice
and sometimes even swap to bounding stride
finite prairie
How much faster is it? Like 90% of my damage is SS and revenge and execute so I just dont mess with it
I may if it is faster tho
deft vessel
I have no clue
as i said, torghast became rather trivial with the nerfs
so eh
¯_(ツ)_/¯
finite prairie
Yeah
silk notch
is de other side 1st pack overtuned on m+?
sour sluice
as arms i was still getting totally 1 shot by casts i couldnt interrupt
finite prairie
With bolster though I can pull most of a room at a time and always have last stand up
DOS first pull and second pull are all mechanics
Reflect or kick scribe, ask your dps to as well. Thats a big part of it. Tranq or soothe big guys when they enrage, if you don't have that then heroic leap out and kite them
Don't stand in bad
I tend to save my cds for the next pull with all the casters because its a lot of chaos and stuff won't get kicked
heavy sail
Red man bad
woven trellis
because hes raiding in a very high guild that needs him to be venthyr on dps
probably
steel mauve
you can do every sort of content as any covenenant
just because you go venthyr doesnt mean you cant do high keys as a tank, most dps raiding warriors go venthyr but alot tank m+
deft vessel
oh well alright then
I mean, I actually won't be taking it, I have 3x resonant throatbands lol
fiery badge
I know it’s just people always talk about how bad Venthyr is for Prot
steel mauve
its not bad in the setting it was intended for, there is just a difference in some thing being bad, and some thing being not as good as other options
limpid pawn
anyone own cyberpunk, and is it actually good?
also raider io list goes to show you that something that is probably far more important than your covenant choice, are player skill and the other players you choose to play with 😮
red swallow
Depends what you mean by "good"
the story is sick and the game i tself is pretty cool but i ts buggy as hell
limpid pawn
BUT - the vast majority of top players picking kyrian - shouldn't be overlooked
you aren't pika and don't have his team mates lol
ok i guess I was asking b/c i wanna gift my bro something
but i don't want him to be like "awww man it's cyberpunk :/"
red swallow
the story is great, ive teared up at parts and im not usually reactive to video games lol
if he doesnt mind bugs its a great game for sure
fiery badge
@limpid pawn no I’m night fae and I’m staying night fae
ember inlet
Daaamn broskies. Was feeling kinda fed up with plugging the other day, so I went pvp
As prot
Didn't like it
Decided to try arms on RBGs
I have only.one macro
Sweeping strikes, avatar, sharpen
And bladestormes the shit out of ppl
This like legit facesmashing
If you have unhinged
Got to 1600 in one sitting
And the pvp item lvl is legit broken
Rewards I mean
carmine crag
yeah I'm aiming for unhinged, was also going for that combo
still have to do torghast this week
pvping as tank spec is boring as hell
ember inlet
I mean I didn't sweat, didn't try hard or anything
carmine crag
you don't die but you also don't kill anything
ember inlet
And now I can upgrade my pvp items to 2007 for free
carmine crag
my pvp bro is a balance druid and wins most of the games for me lmao
carmine crag
our braindead strat is I heroic leap, intimidating shout, distract one if he uses trinket and he uses the night fae ability and nukes them in 2 secs
ember inlet
carmine crag
i went night fae bc kyrian are boring
ember inlet
Oh wait till you see the beauty of bladestorming ppl you speared
carmine crag
i feel like bladestorm works against me 9/10
sure can't be rooted or stunned but they can just run away
carmine crag
shield block
ember inlet
Block mostly
carmine crag
but don't spam it
ember inlet
If the damage is blockable
carmine crag
it's no good if it's on CD and the enemy uses a strong melee ability
ember inlet
IP is a rage dump or versus heavy magic packs
Buy usually you combo those to smooth the damage intake
red swallow
Last boss on NW is an example where you can just ignore SB right?
ember inlet
@red swallow doesn't he melee sometimes mes ?
carmine crag
last boss on NW has blockeable abilities
red swallow
i dont remember exactly but i havent seen him melee
carmine crag
despite them being named as spells
same for something like Piercing Barb on Hakkar, half its damage is negated by spell reflect since it's actually 2 attacks in 1, 1 melee and 1 shadow spell
carmine crag
it's best to read their abilities so you know for sure how to counter them
since they can be really counter intuitive
also a free tip: use Avatar as a defensive CD since it generates rage and it's great if you're rage starved and need to pop an IP or SB
left cave
soul shatter? whats that
mighty valley
god spear does a lot lmao
deft vessel
spear is great 😄
sweet summit
revenge is very low, rest looks fine
deft vessel
yeah, healer wasn't keeping up super well so i found myself casting a whole lot of ignore pain
mighty valley
the difference in revenge damage between healer you trust vs healer you don't
enormous
deft vessel
disc priest, grievous, he was a tad inexperienced, we timed it, so it's fine but yeah
had to compensate
lavish oracle
I don't think I've ever had an experience with disc that I'd describe more positively than 'fine'
In M+, anyways
I tend to somehow only run into them on grievous, though
carmine crag
haven't had a single good run with a disc priest
toxic gyro
You get free revenge Everytime u parry?
wicked lantern
Why do priests never need mana??? I ran with one yesterday who was around 20% mana the entire run and I asked a couple times if he needed mana and his response was “go”.
He later said he will never need mana, just go.
I was like ???? Must be priest healer things I don’t know
undone sun
don't expect tank brains to know that
plucky wave
I thought warrior tanks all agreed to never look at our healers mana
undone sun
You get free revenge Everytime u parry?
yes
granted you don't already have one waiting
undone sun
hmmm
sweet summit
got changed after bfa
sweet summit
hmmm
carmine crag
it did seem like it procced less often
undone sun
wild
strong forum
well its your offensive rage spender now.
and youre supposed to spend rage on it
as it is your main dmg source in aoe
left cave
wasnt shout on a shorter cooldown in BFA?
strong forum
neither of the shouts had shorter CD
left cave
demo shout
sweet summit
been 45 sec for as long as i know
steel mauve
it was always 45 seconds
sweet summit
but in BFA , AM reduced its cooldown too
sweet summit
or that
steel mauve
ya warmode talent shortened it dramatically to have 100% uptime
sweet summit
puts it down to a 30 sec cd
sweet summit
roughly same cd as bfa on 3 targets i believe?
rough ridge
Hello friends! Do you mind helping me understand why the world first race picked a prot warrior as one of the tanks vs something else? I'm curious but ignorant
chilly brook
Hello friends! Do you mind helping me understand why the world first race picked...
Because they're good
strong forum
Cuz he had better gear for it, and in case they didnt have their arms warri playing, and because pwar is pretty solid
rough ridge
That much seems obvious
chilly brook
It's not rocket science tbh
nimble drift
So either I can get lvl 3 The Wall, or make Unhinged
I rlly wanna get that elite set so im thinking of making unhinged
nimble drift
does it carry our dmg?
rough ridge
Of course they were good and picked due to that. Was just wondering what it offered that anither choice didn't. Answering a question without being a dick shouldn't be rocket science either
nimble drift
guarenteed 2 MS when bladestorm?
rough ridge
Another*
chilly brook
Why does it matter
rough ridge
You never just wonder the why of things?
gaunt dove
Sludgefist is heavy Phys damage that Prot is best at mitigating, plus SR is really good on certain fights. Expunge reflecting on HD being an example
chilly brook
No because it doesn't matter for pretty much everyone
Too many people focusing on the why of what tanks to bring when they're not in a position of it actually mattering
rough ridge
It doesn't matter if it's relevant to me or not. I'm not planning on changing specs or classes. Simply asking for thoughts on why the top guild chose something.
chilly brook
Sludgefist is heavy Phys damage that Prot is best at mitigating, plus SR is real...
That's been patched you can't reflect expunge anymore
gaunt dove
or it could simply be their MT felt most comfotrtable playing a ProtWarrior, Player>Class IMO
chilly brook
Lightee literally said on stream hes playing warrior because it's better than BrM tankyness wise
gaunt dove
I was reflecting it yesterday, they patched the dot from Inerva
rough ridge
Yeah that part I did know about. Played a lot of ww in legion and BFA. Hopefully they scale better this expansion it seems some people are worried about that as Shadowlands goes on
limpid pawn
hey, so echo using a prot warrior for sludgefist OT
undone jacinth
topping the dps
limpid pawn
is there a reason? it's blockable damage?
strong forum
yes
undone jacinth
well he melee attacks so yeah
strong forum
pwar is extremely good on sludgefist
rough ridge
While on the topic of sludgefist, does it matter who is actually holding aggro on him?
rough ridge
Didn't think so
strong forum
yes
limpid pawn
like both main tank and offtank can block
rough ridge
We had a dps accidently taunt him yesterday and he smoked two melee it was kinda funny
strong forum
look up any log ever
undone jacinth
so yes is the answer then lol
rough ridge
@chilly brook had that at my job too. Pretty excellent
chilly brook
I got contact traced
rough ridge
@strong forum is that from mythic
chilly brook
Someone I work with tested positive
rough ridge
Yeah it was the same for me too
limpid pawn
undone sun
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> is that from mythic
na heroic
hardy fractal
Lightee literally said on stream hes playing warrior because it's better than Br...
i asked the top shammy on my server how he felt about this and he said brew is the easiest tank for him to heal
am i missing something here
undone jacinth
he played with better players/geared players
there's no blanket rule about one tank just magically being better
apart from dk which must be a nightmare to heal
hardy fractal
so brew scales better>?
undone jacinth
facepalm
hardy fractal
hes obviously taking gear into consideration
chilly brook
No theres too many variables
hardy fractal
thats the easiest thing to look at when noticing how squishy someone is
chilly brook
Could have played with shit warriors
strong forum
no tank scales better than the other
strong forum
its only that warri needs gear more than others to properly function
chilly brook
Theres so much that goes into that
undone jacinth
its like for me pala is by far the best tank healer but that could just not be true at all
its just my experience of the palas I play with
chilly brook
If you asked my guilds shaman healer how prot warrior is she'd tell you how shit they are because she ran one key with a warrior tank (not me) and had 90+ deaths
chilly brook
its like for me pala is by far the best tank healer but that could just not be t...
I love holy pallys in keys
hardy fractal
i mean i would really like to believe the tank differences are minimal but high keys mostly dh right now and some paladin
strong forum
also 15-21% magic dmg reduction
chilly brook
Their damage is super front loaded so they can kite
mellow patio
Vdh are finally starting to figure out the fiery soul is b u s t e d
chilly brook
thats the easiest thing to look at when noticing how squishy someone is
The use of mitigation is a lot more important
Prot warriors who dont use their shield block are obviously gonna be worse than a monk who has their "mitigation" just by pressing their buttons
undone jacinth
I went back and did a 10 today and killed hakkar in 30 seconds
crazy what gear can do
last gazelle
Is there a preference to put "The Wall" legendary on shoulders or back
forest fern
Since sludge was just mentioned does the tanking positions on the fight (as in main tank or current offtank) have any determination over who gets picked to break the pillar or is it random?
@last gazelle I believe its shoulders
last gazelle
Got it, thanks
forest fern
if you both ahve close threat i'm thinking that's not the case, at least from what i've experienced
undone jacinth
I dunno I just always move anyway tbh
have to do that on mythic so
also merry xmas
on uk time
forest fern
yeah true, merry you too on aus time 🙂
steady spruce
Did they change plaguefall? The 2 birds before first boss weren't there on my run
wooden radish
theyve always been there
amber herald
really? the plaguerocs
steady spruce
yeah they were missing from my run
also i believe they changed stuff on the first boss
wooden radish
first boss was nerfed yea
steady spruce
i might just have missed but i think the spear didn't work on the little ooze of first boss
They were transluscent or something
amber herald
Well I'm not sure but it feels like they've changed spear so that it roots where you were pointing when you casted it now
whereas before you had to predict the movement of the mobs
so maybe you overshot
steady spruce
Also on last boss i feel like it's the second time i got it by the tentacle effect while i'm just soaking the add and there is no tentacle
Can confirm the 2 plaguerocs are gone
(Fresh ID)
mellow patio
Since sludge was just mentioned does the tanking positions on the fight (as in m...
Late, but it’s the closest tank to him
broken flume
any advice on what leggo to run for m+? i know the guide mentioned the tclap belt but i also heard ppl say they really liked the wall
mellow patio
Personal preference, but tlord is prob going to give you more benefit over the course of a key
Not probably it defo is
steel mauve
if you dont know which one to choose you're safer using thunderlords
fiery badge
Top guys are using The Wall but they could have it equipped for raid
Personally I’m going TL because I won’t be raiding this tier
mellow patio
If you’re looking for best for raiding AND m+ go wall
steel mauve
the wall is really good, if you use it correctly, which the majority of people really wont, being that you use shield wall often and actually need to use it, where as everyone uses demo shout on cd, so thunderlords will always have its full value outside of raiding, and the longer you hold shield wall the less value you have with the wall lego
sleek thorn
You really have to trust the cdr to use the wall well
steel mauve
thats why i say (and its not to insult any one) that if you are unsure which to make for m+ at least, then go with thunderlords, it will hold more value, because the majority of the player base wont use the wall to its full value over thunderlords
left cave
is there other things that use rage besides, block, execute, ignore pain?
sleek thorn
Revenge
undone sun
only
sleek thorn
Or you're out of combat, not to be obvious
left cave
out of combat resets it?
steel mauve
only abilities that use rage cause you to lose it
left cave
ah okay
steel mauve
it drains so many per second out of combat
sleek thorn
Do you have a decent amount of haste?
left cave
haste makes rage generate faster o.o?
steel mauve
it would be the main culprit
cinder nova
Boy howdy, I sure love it when groups (especially) healers refuse to use CDs during trash on a +9 SD Fortified week.
: )
Had to beg my druid to ironbark me at all.
sleek thorn
Lol, or deeps holding coolers for boss
cinder nova
Dude wouldn't use it unless I was sub 30%
Like a 20% DR is gonna make a difference then
Fucking hell.
left cave
wait what?
steel mauve
indirectly haste helps gen rage with lower cd's of spells and faster attack speed if using devestator
cinder nova
Devestator gives rage, but it also resets Shield Slam, which is your primary rage generator.
More attacks = more chances to proc
steel mauve
dev resetting cd of shield slam with the talent
left cave
cinder nova
Ergo, the most attacks you can fit into a fight window will dictate your rage generation in large sum.
Raiding or M+?
steel mauve
switch off UF for ravager
cinder nova
I'd drop UF for Rav
steel mauve
ravager is also 60 rage every 45 seconds and a shit ton of dps and threat
left cave
when should i use rav?
cinder nova
It's up for pretty much every pull in M+ and is a big rage jump.
Every pull.
off CD
steel mauve
on cd
steel mauve
i mean dont drop it with 2 mobs left at the end of a trash pull but keep using it off cd mostly
cinder nova
You're using your CDs both offensively and defensively with damage you're going to take in mind.
Not in response to damage you've already taken.
left cave
ive ben savign shield block alot more to which helps get more pain up
cinder nova
Yeah right now focus on keeping aggro and shield block uptime.
Once you're stable you can get a little wild.
steel mauve
thats the opposite of what you should be doing
left cave
wait so keep SB up often?
cinder nova
On a non fort week it'll feel less painful.
steel mauve
shield block is your primary, you dump with ip or supplement damage intake
cinder nova
Yeah it's your primary active mitigation.
left cave
earleir ppl said not to spam it to much
cinder nova
Don't spam it. Roll it.
If you use a charge, let it run it's course, then use the next charge.
left cave
roll?
steel mauve
literally any time you are tanking melee attacks block needs to be up, its over 30% DR for 100% blockable attacks for 6 seconds
cinder nova
Watch it tick down to ~1 sec then use it again.
steel mauve
with a 200 ilvl shield its closer to 38% DR
cinder nova
Your next one will be up at the end of the second charge in a few seconds.
I wonder what an ilvl 223 is? 🤔
43%?
steel mauve
45 ilvls is near 6% difference for me
steel mauve
i have a 155 ilvl, which is like 32% for m0, i did the equation with a 200 ilvl shield and it was like 38.xx%
cinder nova
You typically don't spam your DOT, you let it run out to when it's almost gone, then reapply it.
merry echo
guys i have a question is prot viable atm ?
steel mauve
world first mythic raid 10/10 used a prot warr and they are doing +15's
cinder nova
Tbh since prot got a WF I'm expecting a spike of rerolls
trying to find what the big secret is
steel mauve
every tank is viable of cutting edge and 15+ keys, each spec is fairly balanced right now its actually scary close
cinder nova
Not as much as you think
If they go brand they're pretty fine
And defilement is stronk af for mythic if your healer is on point
sleek thorn
Imagine a good healer
cinder nova
They're still taking more damage, but it's smoother damage.
Smooth intake is what keeps you alive
You're rarely going to reduce stuff to a negligible point in high difficulty content
sleek thorn
Shockwave and leap have been keeping me alive lol
cinder nova
That's all we do - we smooth our damage. It makes healing more predicatable.
Spiky damage is what kills you.
And it's not predictable.
That's why VDH is good.
Plus self-heal
Helps pad it out.
Brand is like a 40% DR and they have absurd uptime on it.
Better than The Wall with the Stalwart conduit.
By miles.
left cave
should i only be using revenge with the free proc?
cinder nova
Generally speaking, yes * with an asterisk.
steel mauve
thats almost a loaded question
left cave
to cost no rage
steel mauve
yes and no
left cave
oh?
cinder nova
When you're fighting defensively yes
When you're not under any threat of death
no
When your intake is so high that potentially using a revenge over getting out an IP could potentially kill you or - god forbid - rob you of a Shield Block, best to stick to procs.
If you're doing fine, yeah - revenge your heart out. There's also the point of IP capping and rage capping.
So if you're already topped off on IP or you can do both and have block
Go ahead.
Wasting rage is bad.
steel mauve
you use it for dps/threat gen when you arent in threat of dieing/ rage starving yourself for ip/shield block, and you use it so you dont cap on rage, because even though you could spend it on ip, if you cap out ip youve wasted that rage and it wasnt beneficial outside of speccing AM
cinder nova
^ And the rage you spend can still spec AM and do damage with revenge.
steel mauve
ya
cinder nova
Like I said the response is...
Yes.*
It's very much something you learn to feel out and use your judgment on.
But there are pretty simple guidelines to lead you there.
The easiest way I can describe warrior is to be considering your behavior 2 or 3 GCDs in the future.
And be ready to adjust that premonition quickly.
steel mauve
pretty much any wasted rage is just bad play, but it takes experience to learn what wasted rage it, over capping rage/overcapping ip are the big contenders of it
cinder nova
Still though
Druids who are scrooge with their Ironbark
Makes me wanna throw them off a high cliff.
lusty marsh
atm overcapping ip is hard
wheat sleet
gotten better at it recently
lusty marsh
damage is high
steel mauve
i usually get healers who use it at like the worst times, like full hp, not taking any damage just using it to get it on cd
cinder nova
I mean - using it on the open of a double pull isn't terrible
20% DR isn't a fucking emergency button
It smooths out damage.
So the earlier it's on the more predictable your intake will be
And thereby easier to heal.
It'll get more value at full HP at the open of a trash pull than it will at 20% while everyone is hemorrhaging their HP.
And it's a short CD - like 1 min or 45s or something.
So it'll be up.
empty locust
Merry Christmas prot fam!
cinder nova
Although, like... raiding with people who don't have an ear for having externals called on is like screaming into the void haha.
"[Druid name] please Ironbark [Prot warrior]."
5 GCDs later
After the hit came
<Ironbark has been cast on you>
Nice, thanks.
wheat sleet
i wont lie, im pretty new to retail and i have no idea what spells other classes have for the most part, so external cooldowns is something I do not have a solid grasp on
just doing my best and hoping they are as well
cinder nova
There's a few addons that'll put them up on your screen.
And it only shows what spells you have available based on your class and spec composition in a raid/group
Even tracks the CD and durations.
Good to learn so if you plan on going late heroic or mythic CN you can help your healers by taking out the guess work
steel mauve
i had a really good weakaura that tracked every thing but its discontinued i think
ert and ora 3 both have cd trackers
cinder nova
Yep.
I use ERT.
I will say that my guild healers are all raring at the fucking bit to use externals.
I'll call for a ret paladin's hand of sac and get wings + cocoon
I'm like "bruh"
I like the enthusiasm, but let's roll it back haha
steel mauve
when i was CE raiding in wod i had mine trained
we would call our externals and eventually we just didnt need to call them, they just used them at those same tiems from muscle memory
cinder nova
Feels so good when you got healers and DPS who react instantly to calls
That muscle memory
Plus when they can read your mind
Had that happen on H prog on Tuesday
I was going to call for wings for the healing intake increase so HOTs would have more muscle during a big raidwide healing mechanic
Let them divert focus
Did it right as I was about to call
So cash
steel mauve
ya i had a druid like that, he could some how hit his external just perfectly every time
cinder nova
That's why tanks calling for externals is the thing - tanks know damage so leave it to them to know what they need up.
If a healer was a tank, probably has a good head for what you'll need.
smoky sparrow
is 27% haste too much
undone sun
no such thing
smoky sparrow
just wondering because from 24 to 27% u only get like 0.1 sec cd reduction
or is it only mostly for devastator
sick sentinel
Yeah you get spider sense when you start to tank
tepid barn
im sitting at 18.5% right now, i need to work on getting more haste
I need to at least get up to that 20% threshold right?
lusty marsh
Need is a strong word. I'm sitting at 16%
steel mauve
there is no threshhold
deft bolt
hi, if I'm running Devastator does Whirlwind become the filler?
lusty marsh
no
steel mauve
no soft caps to attain, no hard caps, just get as much haste as possible
no, you shouldnt have WW on your bars unless you are dps
tepid barn
Thanks @steel mauve
Havent had good rng on shield drops, currently have 187 iLvl shield from necrotic wake.. thinking bout upgrading to the conquest shield that costs 450
thoughts??
steel mauve
its an easy way to get a pretty good shield
lusty marsh
even better if you can do a bit of arena grinding to 1400
tepid barn
solid, thank you
steel mauve
"easy" is relative though, i hate pvp and dont want to do it lol but i should because my luck chances are even worse, im like 188 ilvl with a 155 shield lol
tepid barn
yeah i made sure to cap out on conquest each week so far, my Rng in M+ has been so bad, so i bought the chestpiece with conquest yesterday
lusty marsh
I think with 3 clears so far I've only gotten 1 drop from normal CN