I main fury, but might switch arms for raid bc i care about my dps. Just wanna prot for m+
#protection
daring hound
heavy sail
If your only concern in mythic+ then I would choose thunderlords personally
But either are good options
half latch
im basically mostly m+ and pvp only, so im being told thunderlord but i feel like the wall...
heavy sail
Do what you feel
half latch
do u have any first hand exp w thunderlord? does it actually feel great
heavy sail
Puts demo shout uptime to around 40%
heavy sail
The 20% DR/damage amp is too good for me to pass up
The synergy with booming voice is moist
half latch
see my situation is i have access to the wall since i am just now crafting a prot one
heavy sail
Right
half latch
im thinking wall helps me more in that way as well compared to TL
undone jacinth
at 10 ur not really going to be needing wall that much
the reason u take TL is for damage basically
daring hound
our most important item is shield too right
undone jacinth
ye
heavy sail
20% mitigation is great too
half latch
haste vers?
undone jacinth
it is but wall is more
heavy sail
Particularly great that it effects magic damage
daring hound
crit vers
yeah idk
i think i just want wall but
bc fortifying
all the strong adds is scary
heavy sail
Yea haste/vers for legendaries will generally be your best bet
daring hound
as prot?
undone jacinth
honestly at 10s ur Lego isn’t going to make the difference, pick the one u feel like u will play with the best
heavy sail
Yup
half latch
yea i thought haste was the big stat
daring hound
heard
heavy sail
Haste is your primary stat focus, yeah.
undone jacinth
get urself a bit of gear and ull be fine
daring hound
if i plan on maining m+ as prot
is it worth making my loot spec prot until i get a 200+ shield
or will 184 do e well
me **
undone jacinth
it’s worth it
half latch
ive noticed the 2h come from diff dungeons than shields so ijust spec what i want
heavy sail
I would just do the short conquest grind and get the 200ilvl PvP shield
daring hound
ho wmuch is it?
heavy sail
You could do it in an afternoon
heavy sail
450 conquest
daring hound
haahha
fiery badge
Gorechop trash is really rough
fiery badge
how do you deal w/ it
storm urchin
Hi all, general prot question, do you think Blizz touching the tuning knobs on Necro in the future can make it ever compete with Kyrian? trying to decide if the switch is worth is since I never use fleshcraft and conq banner feels boring
daring hound
idk
i dont think iw ant to wait to get thunderlord
its p high chance from an m+ tho right
undone jacinth
yeah very high
but if u don’t wanna wait then don’t wait
ur not gonna be ruining ur char
undone jacinth
Hi all, general prot question, do you think Blizz touching the tuning knobs on N...
nobody knows but kyrian is fun!
daring hound
aghhh
storm urchin
I'm curious if they can ever add anything to the banner to make it compete with the vial
daring hound
the decision is so hard
wicked lantern
how do you deal w/ it
Save the hammers from downstairs for the stitch work mobs. Helps drop tenderize stacks.
undone jacinth
idk the banner cd for me makes it completely unusable, they will have to change it to something else in the future but that might not be for a while
storm urchin
do you think it's worth switching now instead of just waiting?
heavy sail
Only you can decide that
undone jacinth
I switched from venthyr to kyrian and I don’t regret it at all
storm urchin
I feel like I'm missing out every week in raid when I could be avoiding mechanics
astral crystal
undone jacinth
vial is amazing and spear is really cool
storm urchin
does it actually work on all bleeds in raid right now?
torpid granite
I played with Cobden but I think I like spear better honestly
undone jacinth
not all but a lot
narrow sorrel
so how does warrior dps compare to other tanks?
astral crystal
all except stone legion
undone jacinth
st dps is a bit of a struggle but it’s alright and spell reflect can do work still
daring hound
whats big boss spells we can reflect
narrow sorrel
spell reflect is too hard to use imo, most of the time I find a spell gets interupted before i can reflect it if at all. it's weird the amount of spells that can't be reflected.
undone jacinth
the only one I find dumb is the patty cake from mists boss
seems like it should clearly be reflectable
mighty valley
yeah it's not super consistent
but on the ones you know, i'll yell "don't interrupt the first X" etc
near quarry
What Endurance conduit you guys running? Can't decide which feels best
narrow sorrel
who has time to do that XD
steady spruce
Ignore pain conduit is best i believe
brisk flax
So what is the go to reflect now that desires cant be reflected on Inerva?
most of them are reflectable, which is the best choice?
daring hound
what slot should thunderlord go on?
mighty valley
boots
daring hound
Thanks!
safe fulcrum
Are there any tips on Lady Darkvein. Just tried to do heroic and got smashed
steel mauve
Most of the time thunderlords is better in m+ than the wall, but thats mostly of the avg players play, the wall is a good competitor, but thats the use of shield wall, if you dont use shield wall often enough then the wall loses value
You use demo shout on cd, you dont regularly use shield wall on cd so the wall devalues
sick sentinel
Is shattering throw another ability should take off bars? Doesn't seem like it has much or any use
safe fulcrum
It doess 500% dmg to absorbs. Can be useful in M+
tall ginkgo
I use it heaps in m+
sick sentinel
Which dungeons can it be used in
Oh it does 500% to any absorb shield? I thought it was just useful for breaking immunity
tall ginkgo
Necrotic wake, dos, spires off the top of my head
sick sentinel
I'll have to W A Whenever target is absorbing then
tall ginkgo
Yeah it's huge DMG to an absorb
soft vector
It still deals trash damage but it's worth using. I use it for hakkar, spires of ascension golem trash, and for final boss of necrotic wake.
sick sentinel
Spires on the giants after first boss I guess?
I ran that place million times last week
tall ginkgo
The shield you break through for burst dmg on the skele trash in necrotic wake is good
serene valve
Hey guys My friends want me to tank. Do you think prot war and prot pally both pretty equal in m+
serene valve
Oo okay ty
serene valve
Tanks seem to kite a lot atm
neat dirge
yeah on higher M+
u need to kite some pulls
you'll learn when to kite
and when to not
like me i did by dying alot
😦
near quarry
fortified def makes me feel like i gotta kite my ass off
faint gulch
whats the recommended ilevel before a group can consider attempting M7+?
undone jacinth
185 or something probs
faint gulch
185 or something probs
cool, thanks
sick sentinel
M+ success has a very large number of things that can make them successful or not
Entire team needs to play well in anything above 10
faint gulch
Entire team needs to play well in anything above 10
sure, I get that gear without play isn't going to cut it past a certain point... I was just wondering what ilvl would give a determined group a chance at completing the dungeon at all
undone jacinth
u could do it earlier than 185 but I assumed the group wouldn’t play perfect so gives you a little bit of room
faint gulch
ah makes sense. more mistakes, more gear needed
pure sun
Idk if someone minds but can someone please tell me how the tank Cyno in these logs can do better? Seemingly never parses above 10-20 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MYCaTV1NPpw3mbry/ I'm not good at reading logs qq
chilly brook
@pure sun give me a minute
the basic answer is he's just not pressing his buttons
His talents are also kinda fucked
he shouldn't be using war machine
he should be using Devastator
He's casting Devastate way too much
And he's running BV but not hitting Demoralizing Shout on CD which is a big no no
Tbh both of your guys' rotations need work
stray sierra
i have a question but i was too scared to try it in my key earlier
on the 2nd boss in mists, can u spell reflect and charge the fox thing that freezes u
and not get frozen?
fallow mortar
<@!146731949715619840> give me a minute
how do you read these logs? I can't make heads or tails of the graphs XD
fallow mortar
on the 2nd boss in mists, can u spell reflect and charge the fox thing that free...
no
stray sierra
damn 😦
chilly brook
@fallow mortar you mean wow analyzer?
fallow mortar
ya
chilly brook
It explains every category to you
fallow mortar
sure, but I am not seeing how you were able to see that they were not pushing buttons for mitigation
pure sun
@chilly brook Thanks for the info, mind giving me pointers on what I should be changing?
sick sentinel
Dumb question, Im currently Kyrian because only play prot but if I want to play sort of both arms and prot, should I switch to Venthyr? Is Condemn ok for prot?
chilly brook
sure, but I am not seeing how you were able to see that they were not pushing bu...
the question wasn't about mitigation but rather parses
pure sun
@sick sentinel Not a big deal to have codemn tbh, Plka runs it in 15's and he mains arms warrior so its not game changing
fallow mortar
the question wasn't about mitigation but rather parses
what are parses?
river pasture
lost my heroic castle raid spot tonight to a death knight. feels bad man.
chilly brook
<@!133532617940140032> Thanks for the info, mind giving me pointers on what I sh...
wow analyzer pretty much tells it to you, keep shield slam on CD, press TC more etc.
river pasture
chilly brook
what are parses?
A measurement of your damage performance compared to others
sick sentinel
@pure sun So might as well switch to Venthyr yeah? Condemn seems pretty strong for arms
vs. spear of bastion
fallow mortar
ahhhh ok 👍
pure sun
@sick sentinel Its also good for arms, provides lots of rage and damage so
chilly brook
I mean spear is objectively better for prot
same with ancient aftershock
your limiter in keys is everyone else around you
sick sentinel
Yeah was planning on mainly playing prot in keys but guild is full on tanks for the alt run tonight
quaint fjord
what do you think is the easiest dungeon this week ?
cinder nova
Jesus this week is a ball ache
lavish oracle
Easiest dungeon every week is mists, basically
I actually don't mind spiteful, our rogue kinda gets fucked but mostly everyone else just points and laughs
Wish they'd make spiteful die faster on it's own
Like 10% health per second rather than 4%
quaint fjord
ok thanks, i think it's 8% tho
shadow furnace
For m+ how useful is thunder lord vs boss compared to Wall?
lavish oracle
Oh, it is 8% I guess it just ticks every half second
restive wigeon
sup guys I just recently got into prot and im eating shit in +10 and above
is there a more defensive build I could play
fallow kestrel
what do you think is the easiest dungeon this week ?
there is a cool site that basically provides the tier lists for current week affixes (best mdd, rdd, tank, heal, dungeon, etc.) https://mplus.subcreation.net
wintry jetty
I seem to struggle more when I'm healed by a disc in 10+, player(s) problem or somehow bad synergy?
ionic pewter
If you're talking this week disc sucks for grievous
quartz mist
honestly ive pushed a healer to grev, its good. spiteful with melee is to worry about
novel temple
dont atonement heals take stacks off for grievous now?
sick sentinel
hey guys, is 184 Anima Field Emmitter better than 216 Viscera?
people said viscera sucked
valid scaffold
Hi guys, recently i start tanking and right now im feeling like im doing low dmg and some pulls in +8 +9 destroy me this week, i dont know if is my build or my stats
night fae covenant + Niya
novel temple
goo booming voice
lavish oracle
Your damage seems fine, as far as overall goes
dense flame
Do ppl like ITF better than ravager?
valid scaffold
i was testing and i do the same dmg with both talents
lavish oracle
Try them both, I like Ravager better in keys, and ITF better in raid
valid scaffold
overcap haste tho 33%
valid scaffold
Anger managment is good? how is the average time you reduce from your Avatar?
lavish oracle
It's hard to say why you're taking so much damage in an 8 or a 9, omuky. It's low enough that the damage in take should be fine basically no matter what talents you take as long as you're playing correctly
Anger management is fine for lower keys, bolster is better defensively once you need the extra block uptime
valid scaffold
yes bolster is great
tender zealot
I feel like even in +8+9 I get shreked on every pull
basically need pocket shaman healer
lavish oracle
I would recommend watching how someone else play warrior in higher keys and see what they do differently
valid scaffold
But for example in de other side i do the first pull the 7 adds and some times i fear for my life in +9 doind that pull
neat root
I fear for my life doin that pull in a +2
valid scaffold
@lavish oracle do you have some link to a youtube or twich where i can see a war doing m+? any recomendations?
i currently just watching 3er week pushes from wars nothing recent
lavish oracle
Sense puts a bunch of keys on his youtube and twitch, Lightee ran a bunch of warrior keys before raid released to gear, and he was in like 185s
Should also be in his vods
Lemme pull up a link to Sense's youtube
valid scaffold
Ty perfect i will watch to learn
And "never surrender" is worst than "indomitable" in all cases right? i feel like that talent is a trap. just to confirm.
ocean yoke
Absolutely
valid scaffold
btw is there a macro to cast "Ravager" in the target without have to select the location in the ground?
hallow phoenix
/use [@cursor] Ravager
steel mauve
There is at cursor so you dont need to click itll just spawn where your mouse is, within range
devout fulcrum
Spires of Ascension, first boss, do you guys just soak the Overhead Slash? Or have any of you been able to move fast enough to avoid it?
/cast [@fluid parrotget] Ravager should work as well
restive wigeon
just keep enough rage for ip and a sb charge for when shes about to do it
you cant really dodge it
devout fulcrum
Yeah, been pretty rough the higher I get in keys, wasn't sure if I was missing something obvious
neat root
My healer really hates that move
devout fulcrum
she casts it at 100 energy, and I have been trying to pre straffe it
restive wigeon
overhead slash is kind of weird, sometimes it barely tickles other times it oneshots me
devout fulcrum
but haven't dodged it yet.
restive wigeon
technically if youre really close to her and strafe right/left you can dodge it
I pulled it off a few times
however I think its just better to not rely on that
fathom sundial
is there a secret to not getting destroyed?
neat root
Yeah as long as I mitigate it it's generally fine but after hearing you could side step it I had to try it
fathom sundial
i did a 12 DoS charge into a pack, have SB and wall up and die in 3 seconds. Is this a warrior issue or am i just trash?
restive wigeon
was it the pack in front of zg?
fathom sundial
we did
restive wigeon
has insane oneshot potential
fathom sundial
bonestrike does 11k dmg through shield block
restive wigeon
yeh go in there pop your shit
hit 2 or 3 buttons
and start to kite
I did it on 12 today as well
and I lived somehow
fathom sundial
so we just have to kite everything or die even with mitigation up?
fathom sundial
tbf im 200 ilvl and have double haste trinks
fathom sundial
with 190 tclap boots
but i still feel like i should be able to survive longer then i am
restive wigeon
im around the same ilvl
idk are you keeping track of youre ip and sb?
you*
your**
restive wigeon
ye same
fathom sundial
like i legit went into a pull with block/wall
restive wigeon
Whenever I feel like I cant mitigate enough I just start to panic and kite
fathom sundial
got barked and just died
hallow phoenix
If nothing is kicked you'll die no matter what
fathom sundial
kicks were fine that run
hallow phoenix
Shadowcore needs to be kicked or reflected. The scribes do a nasty cast too (not the aoe)
restive wigeon
to be honest DOS in general feels overtuned
restive wigeon
the pack in front of zg on fortified
is legit impossible as war tank without popping everything
unless you have god tier dps
that blast the shit out of it
hakkar is awfully overtuned as well
hallow phoenix
I found hakkar to be the easiest boss there
As long as you have prideful and a healer that knows how to top you off
restive wigeon
have you done hakkar on higher than 10
its a pain even on fortified
you wanna hero the pack in front of zg but if you dont have hero for hakkar hes gonna overwhelm you if the fight goes on for too long
just a shit dungeon
hallow phoenix
Which one is that
fathom sundial
last stand increase rage gen
restive wigeon
the damage that adds to ignore pain is the best endurance conduit
even tho thats still not good
hallow phoenix
I think people realized the IP one is bad cause it gets chewed through too fast
restive wigeon
its the best out of the options
hallow phoenix
Can't add to the shield if the shield goes bye bye too fast
fathom sundial
19 out of the top 20 prots on IO are running it
restive wigeon
I mean if youre playing that conduit
you definitely wanna play aggressive talents
novel temple
how do you all even like
restive wigeon
im not even playing endurance conduit tho
novel temple
turn fast enough for stavros
fathom sundial
I think people realized the IP one is bad cause it gets chewed through too fast
pretty sure thats spot on
novel temple
on council
fathom sundial
well appreciate the help boys
novel temple
but yeah, the ip conduit is dog shit
unless youve got CDs up
and even then it doesnt refresh
so if youre doing easier content its just going to sort of building up and then youre casting IP again anyway to keep IP up
fathom sundial
one last thing if you guys dont mind
would a 220 phail of putrefaction be better then a 207 heraldry / 200 decanter / 184 anima emiter
hallow phoenix
better than decanter
fathom sundial
my other trinket is darkmoon voracity
hallow phoenix
decanter stinky
prisma gorge
how you guys find competitive people? i just got 195ish people rshaman, druid, hunter, dh... no enrage dispells, no earthbinds, no tar trap, all running like chickens from spites, no cc at all, its really embarrasing with 195ish gears to deplet DOS 7. How you find people that have spells on bars and use them?
restive wigeon
check them on warcraftlogs
if they have average logs above 80
theyre probably okay
fathom sundial
better than decanter
would you run darkmoon and the phial?
hallow phoenix
I'd probably run Heraldry + phial
prisma gorge
check them on warcraftlogs
cheers, i mean that warlords can get it dispelled by tranquilizing shot, druid also has enrage removal, isntead of i am kiting there like idiot
hallow phoenix
heraldy + DMD: Voracity would be the more defensive option
fathom sundial
appreciate it
restive wigeon
im very picky with people that I invite
but if they have good logs they prolly know what theyre doing
its not a guarantee
but the best criteria
nimble drift
cobalt marsh
anyone here who's tanking as venthyr?
in M+
was just curious if it's a big impediment or not
jagged pier
just dont use condemn in aoe and youll be fine
cobalt marsh
sounds good, ty
chilly brook
Hi guys, recently i start tanking and right now im feeling like im doing low dmg...
- run storm bolt over rumbling earth
- Bv>DR for keys
And 3) 2.5k overall isn't horrible
Oh and some pulls are just disgusting in fort
Or your group is bad or you're messing up, hard to tell without logs
cobalt marsh
that moment when my 193 vengeance DH is way tankier than my 207 prot war
chilly brook
Don't think it's tankier more than it's just more forgiving lol
stuck coral
Lady Inerva Darkvein
Warrior's Spell Reflect will no longer negate the Expose Desires ability.
rip
fringe marten
Yarp, we did our heroic reclear (still working on Vampire Chad) and I found out live that I couldn't reflect it any more 😦
it's not game breaking really...it just means I don't have an extended window where I can hold her before we swap? honestly not sure why they bothered to 'fix' that
It was one thing in legion; where on Mythic goroth (tomb of sargeras) we could literally reflect his entire tank swap mechanic every time with the double reflect pants..and essentially delete that encounters challenge.
muted pendant
that moment when my 193 vengeance DH is way tankier than my 207 prot war
I feel we just rely way more on the rest of the group
cobalt marsh
I feel we just rely way more on the rest of the group
im not sure if trash is overtuned or we are just complete shit
jagged pier
im not sure if trash is overtuned or we are just complete shit
well its fortified so that wont help, but if there is a really big issue, it could be your doing somthing wrong or no cc and interrupts or a combination of both
muted pendant
If the whole group uses its interrupts/cc/cds on the group before ZG in DoS the pack is hard but it won’t be a wipe
And that basically applies to all dungeons
I tend not to pug m+ anymore, sometimes we need 1 dps when my friends are not all there but it’s all about coordination. We sit in discord and I assign kicks and I’m calling/marking etc
wanton egret
what does mean Bv>DR
stark ruin
Booming voice over dragon roar
acoustic stratus
go DR if you have someone who loves going ham at the start
or you will never get threat
novel temple
or run with a hunter/rogue
also, has anyone tried out menace with cac roar?
nvm
just tried it in necrotic wake on normal
mobs are immuning it
muted pendant
It’s there any advantage of bringing my wall or TL to r3 now? Have both on r2 right now.
acoustic stratus
no actual gear in 13 keys in a row
kindred warren
Rip
grim wigeon
Fellas, i need adult supervision. I'm stuck between picking Sanguine Vintage and the pants from Generals (Both 207). My question is: Is Sanguine that much better than Blood-Spattered (184 ilvl). I also have the choice of the 200 ilvl shield, but i reckon that's not worth?
hallow phoenix
what ilvl is your current shield
grim wigeon
187
hallow phoenix
i'd take the shield
but i also havent had a shield drop for me since xpac launch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
grim wigeon
Should note that all items i would upgrade are 184. (except 187 shield ofc)
I've been super lucky with weps, drops in general I suppose, so yeh :P
hallow phoenix
the shield upgrade will have the largest impact on your survival
eager phoenix
If you pvp you can buy a 200 ilvl shield for conqurst and pick the trinket
grim wigeon
That's a good point, I do PvP. Didn't think of that one.
hallow phoenix
since you pvp i recommend doing what cruisectrl said
eager phoenix
Only need 1600 rating to upgrade it to 213 and if you dont raid more than hc thats basically as good as your shield gets outside great vault rng
grim wigeon
So pants upgrade is more stats (184 ilvl to 207), and trinket would replace Blood-Spattered, same ilvl increase. How useful is the Sanguine shield?
As opposed to Blood-Spattered
hallow phoenix
If you plan on pushing into high-ish keys grab the vintage, good trinkets seem hard to come by
wait whats your second trink
blood spattered is really good
eager phoenix
Hmm maybe legs then
And default blood spattered
Unless you wanna jungle trinkets
Like 1min cd vs 2min
grim wigeon
I feel like Blood-Spattered is just so good. Double CD tho I see
hallow phoenix
but its goooood
deals reasonable damage too
very useful for start of pulls
get the pants i suppose
grim wigeon
Yeah it's a hell of a bonk in an opener.
eager phoenix
Im a trinket Guy so id go trinket. Legs you just get from conq vendor if you dont luck out from raid/m+
grim wigeon
Haha, it's fun if you can get your hands on a decent wep for arms, IMO.
Thanks for your input fellas. I'm fond of trinkets and my guild's healers aren't so good, so I'm going for Sanguine.
grim wigeon
Haha then I don't wanna hear any bitching from my healers!
olive sluice
guys i have a question regarding the signet lego for prot .. it doesnt proc out of ravager as prot ? only avatar?
olive sluice
is this a bug because both fury and arms proc from two abilities
sweet summit
we dont know
olive sluice
ok
jagged pier
I mean you would have thought by now they would have fixed it
nimble plover
I have full pvp gear basically but Im gonna do some m+ as prot. Now, I need tips for which trinkets I should go for that are easy to get. Currently i only got pvp trinkets, one 207 with str and 184 with haste.
olive sluice
i tried to report this
but it didnt work
if someone can
you copy paste this
Protection Warrior - Legendary[ Signet of Tormented Kings ]
I would like to ask if this legendary is working as intended for Protection Warrior. As stated, in the description written on the Legendary "Activating Bladestorm, Recklessness, or Avatar randomly casts one of the other two abilities at reduced effectiveness" When I play my Arms or Fury Warrior I can activate this legendary power through Bladestorm/Ravager, Recklessness(Fury), or Avatar(Arms) so I have two methods of activating this power on Arms and Fury Warrior but on Protection Warrior I only have one method of doing so. Can you please explain this?
sweet summit
id take the belt with this limited information
autumn narwhal
The belt is the long game option and the cloak is better short term , just interested to see if people are playing for the long game or not
olive sluice
ok fixed and submitted the bug reprot
olive sluice
I mean you would have thought by now they would have fixed it
i dont think any1 actually care about prot warr xD
versed bough
Well I cant tank while standing
sweet summit
yes you have to kite during downtime
sweet summit
lower keys you could get away with staying
and just having healer heal you
but as you go higher u need to kite during downtime
or ur dead
versed bough
I wish we got the piercing howl
analog radish
I have 190 sylvan whiteshield and Darkmoon tanking trinket, Gorechop trinket at 184. Should I prioritize getting better trinkets or a better shield?
sweet summit
thunderclap is a 30% slow, you have hleap intervene shockwave
shield>trinket in most cases
if you can, just replace the darkmoon tank trinekt with the dps one that gives haste
amber herald
speed pots if there isn't an invis skip
muted pendant
Does anyone know which WA interrupt tracker Sense is using? https://youtu.be/A7FK-MM-wAM
mental scarab
Hate they changed speed potions Do
muted pendant
That would be so helpful for coordinating my group better
undone jacinth
Looks like ZT
muted pendant
It shows who interrupted what marked target
jagged pier
zen tracker i think
left cave
is prot war good for m+?
jagged pier
yus
left cave
do they have to kite alot?
im on a DH tank atm and i fel i have to run from everything lmao
sweet summit
DH tank is like the best tank for m+ atm 👀
autumn narwhal
What everyone forgets is that the game is designed around warriors being the only tank
Every other class tank is designed to match the content. Blizz do this by adding their spells with % reduction etc etc and tweaking as content changes
left cave
wars seem like they dont have to run every single auto attack
muted pendant
this is the only one I found and I already have: https://wago.io/MInterruptTracker
jagged pier
What everyone forgets is that the game is designed around warriors being the onl...
eh?
jagged pier
What everyone forgets is that the game is designed around warriors being the onl...
think youve been playing to much classic
muted pendant
I like that his tracker shows what spell was kicked by whom (including the corresponding mark)
undone jacinth
I like that his tracker shows what spell was kicked by whom (including the corre...
autumn narwhal
Classic is the core basics of the game
undone jacinth
hahahaha
jagged pier
not anymore
undone jacinth
el trollo supreme
jagged pier
true
red swallow
surely design philosophies dont change in 16 years Pepega
autumn narwhal
Its not about the class
its not about warriors
its about block ... dodge .. parry.. armor etc
sick sentinel
how important is a 190 legendary? im an arms warrior but thinking about getting a 190 legendary to tank m+ or should i get the pvp arms warrior legendary?
jagged pier
all other tanks have armour dodge parry and other tanks also block
autumn narwhal
yes they do
but how did blizzard compensate the other tanks for the fact warriors can block
and they cant block
jagged pier
paladions can
autumn narwhal
they gave them a new ability that has an equation which mitigates damage around the same amount
eager phoenix
Yeah
autumn narwhal
and that equation is what gets edited to tune them in line with block
sometimes it is overpowered which makes them greater tanks
which is what we are seeing now
jagged pier
but paladins are squishier they are only pick mroe because of their damage
autumn narwhal
most of the time it is an ability that reduces a % of damage - which is better than block because block is only physical damage.
this is where we see warriors being weak in magic damage zones
eager phoenix
Also don’t think the biggest issue with tanks are the tanks but the group composition in an m+ setting. I feel if in legion tanks had too much self sustain and in BFA damage output was a big factor. Now it feels fine tanking generally but issue arise when you don’t have the non aoe capped classes with you
onyx matrix
I play prot in pvp, fight me
eager phoenix
You can’t man fight forever so you end up kiting. And you’re probably kiting more when it’s a melee shitshow
autumn narwhal
My warrior stands up very well to melee shit show - its when it is magic damage i tend to find myself spamming the ignore pain button until i cant feel my finger
proven herald
does the food that make you breathe fire give more deeps than a +haste or +crit food?
versed bough
Can you tell me that prot warrior is a dps tank
sweet summit
i can but i would be lying
steady spruce
Do you guys prioritize having shield block or ignore pain up? What about revenge? Do you do it by gut feeling?
Like when you pull a big pack what's your priority
undone jacinth
Block unless there’s no physical
undone jacinth
I revenge whenever I can
jagged pier
you dont only revenge when its free now
you revenge when u have SB up and if you dont need IP or have IP up
oak heart
how often do you not need IP?
restive flax
How do y'all deal with this weird new affix that spawns these melee oneshot ghosts?
Just dont use melee DPS?
steady spruce
Thunder Clap and sometimes harmstring or stuns
restive flax
Dude if one of those fuckers spawns in a high key and hits a melee once they just fall over
steady spruce
is enough
oak heart
or play with better melee 😛 if they are dying to a fixate it's their own fault
restive flax
I mean. If you are in midst a big pull overlooking one tiny dude can happen
undone jacinth
melee need something that shows the fixate on a name plate and then they shouldn’t die
they will also do no dps though if the packs aren’t killed evenly
restive flax
If its one ghost on a melee mid fight I just intervene on that guy and tell him to chill. But when its more I'm pissed 😄
It just annoys me that you cant see immediately who theyre targeting
undone jacinth
I play feral and it’s easy enough to just root or stun it but we do have extra melee range
restive flax
I can mostly deal with em just by saving stuns n shit for them, but like... with fortified I need stuns for the packs itself sometimes
jagged pier
Dude if one of those fuckers spawns in a high key and hits a melee once they jus...
but the spawn from dying adds just get the melee to run when mobs are about to die
restive flax
I dont see how that statement helps me
oak heart
your problem is that they die from not moving?
restive flax
My problem is that I cant pull multiple packs because I need damage on the pack / packs but melees still need to run
oak heart
how many melee do you play with?
oak heart
any dps warrs?
oak heart
im sure pallys can dps out of melee range too
restive flax
I just find it tedious
fiery badge
I don’t think that an Rsham is a good healer to run ToP with, the diseases from Gorechop trash hurt and the shaman can dispel them
restive flax
You can avoid a lot of them
But yeah, it helps a lot if you have someone who can dispell them
restive flax
You could still have a DPS cleanse the diseases
and still use a shaman
because shamans are damn strong atm
fiery badge
We had a Ret with us but I’m pretty sure he didn’t have cleanse on his bar
restive flax
Well yeah, thats unfortunate 😄
I have 2 pallys with me and I'm a fan of the disease free zone
dense pivot
yikes
fiery badge
Still timed it, but the wipes we had were from those trash packs
Once it stacks up too much on fortified I can’t do anything
restive flax
Drink Kyrian Potion
fiery badge
Night fae bro
amber herald
As a tank they don't target you
restive flax
kill a kyrian and steal his potion
amber herald
So I ignore them and laugh as my friends get insta gibbed
restive flax
that sounds really productive 😄
And even if they did target you... youd still laugh because they deal no damage
fiery badge
Are you talking about the little mobs that jump around to random players? @amber herald
amber herald
The ghosts lol
restive flax
to a tank I mean*
amber herald
Two real tips though
They die on their own so you can ignore them like 6/10 times
And if you're quick you can actually mount up before they spawn
So if you kill all the adds at the same time like it's a bolstering week everyone can mount up
And just run away
restive flax
They die on their own?
amber herald
Yep
amber herald
Obv not gonna work in a dungeon you can't mount in
restive flax
at the very start I guess 😄
oak heart
1st and last boss 😛
amber herald
Can't get through the maze without killing them all first
amber herald
depends on the key level I think
idle geyser
What’s up everyone, I’ve recently picked up prot for my raid team as we want to use battle shout, but I am very new to warrior raiding. I was wondering if I should always keep shield block on cool down?
dense pivot
as long as you are getting hit by blockable stuff
jagged pier
dont use it when your not tanking
and have it up as much as possible when u are but dont cast it when like the boss is casts etc save a few seconds
take bolster to help with sb uptime as it lets you get your charges back
and one big think new prot warriors is to keep 30 rage for SB at all times
deft vessel
what legendary do you folks use in m+ ? I used thunderlord for the first week of the season (and fortified) and also used Unstoppable Force and Anger management, for week two I swapped to Bolster for survivability as I Started doing higher keys more consistently (and my gear didn't really follow) and I swapped to the wall and ravager (still booming voice)
now I'm considering going back to thunderlord for this week but keeping bolster and ravager (and booming voice) but not sure if worth
probably worth
i kind of like both legendaries xD
for context - i mostly pug, 670 r.io right now, 193 (if I recall) equipped
jagged pier
its preference what leggo you like basically, i prefer the wall at all times but its whatever you like wearing really
and you should always be running booming voice
with any leggo or talents
and you can take ITF over ravager if you like that, but that again is preference
deft vessel
yeah I pretty much always use booming voice in raid and m+, I sometimes swap to dragon shout in open world random stuff (maw/callings) cus I...like it and am sad I don't get to use it lul
and i do like ravager, I feel it gives me better control over threat
(which it probably does)
and also having more buttons to press that feel impactful is nice
cosmic charm
is there some writeup on dungeon/raid boss abilities that can be spell-reflected?
amber herald
first pin
deft vessel
as an aside - a part of me also wants to justify grinding for the god damn thunderlord legendary power
😦
it took me like 40 runs of spires to get it and I make sure not to be scummy so I did the full dungeon every time
modern brook
Idgi just use it it's good
left cave
whats best cov for prot war?
ashen sparrow
sick sentinel
Kyr
split wyvern
Kyrian, Venthyr might be ok if you OS arms maybe, but I believe Kyrian is still better if you main Prot
ionic fern
as an aside - a part of me also wants to justify grinding for the god damn thund...
Why do you need justification for Thunderlords? o.o
dense pivot
because the wall is nice too I guess ^^
deft vessel
no
left cave
[erfect
astral crystal
not even on my bars
deft vessel
and it's less justification, more that I feel like I should be using UF with thunderlord, and I like ravager, and I also really like booming voice, and I also like the wall
astral crystal
revenge pumps
astral crystal
more dmg than tclap now
left cave
exicute
astral crystal
yes
astral crystal
execute also good to use
left cave
interesting
deft vessel
so it's a matter of ...liking different things that don't quite work together (quite literally exclusive from each other)
astral crystal
just make sure you're not killing yourself to use it naturally
deft vessel
so I'll probably do the same, thunderlord just seems so much more worth it in a dungeon
maybe even worth using on tyrannical weeks
ionic fern
I'm using it eeeevery week.
deft vessel
but I used the wall last week (in part because until three days ago I still had a 171 shoulder so I used the wall to plug that slot...)
ionic fern
It won't make or brake anything. Heck, people are using Signet on higher keys.
deft vessel
now i have crappy stats 200 shoulders, so back to thunderlord for me (thunderlord is also gonna get to rank 3 this week I think)
ionic fern
The majority of the dungeons success comes down to your groups play and your own play.
Not your choice of Legendary.
deft vessel
aye, of course
ionic fern
I'm just lazy so i don't swap my legendaries.
😂
But i know a lot of people enjoy The Wall in m+.
deft vessel
I'm having decent success all things considered, it's a matter of figuring out what I find most comfortable and what I like the most
astral crystal
i dont do super high keys or anything but i do like the wall in m+
deft vessel
oh don't get me wrong, I don't do super high keys either, as mentioned further up, 670 r.io right now and 193 equipped
but in the keys I do I like to be as best as I can and contribute as much as I can 🙂
so I tend to overthink the various choices I have at my disposal
astral crystal
your best contribution as a tank is knowing the best route and not dying, our damage is pretty stinky right now
split wyvern
CD management is helpful too
astral crystal
is marok in this discord anymore?
ionic fern
He is.
astral crystal
saw him snort hot sauce yesterday, how far odyn has fallen...
@fierce juniper why
fierce tendon
what io do I gotta get to to get groups that don't have 2 dps with 1 interrupt by the end
astral crystal
oh lmao didnt see nomeratur had clipped it
fierce juniper
ur welcome
ionic fern
That's only fixable by adding the few decent DPS'ers that you come by as friends.
strong forum
oh lmao didnt see nomeratur had clipped it
It was the best entertainment in months
Marok snorting hot sauce > rwf
astral crystal
very true
red swallow
is IV or WowHead preferred ofr guide or does it rly not matter
neat dirge
Wuff barrior
deft vessel
doesn't really matter, both have good advice, read both
steel mauve
They both offer information with very slight differences, reading both will probably give you a better idea of things
deft vessel
i tend to do well on routes, i goofed the theater of pain route the other week where we got last prideful add before the last (little) platform but yeah, rip
should've done the two mages instead of bonestorm dude and that would've hit the 100% (103% or something) on teh very last platform before the boss
still didn't time it cus the healer kept dying to boss mechanics but oh well, could've been more efficient from my end too (yay for combat res on a warrior tho lul)
I'm sure there's probably better optimizations in general i could've done, I went the route I normally follow, with the "mini boss" wing first, then the plague wing second and then the floaty platforms wing last
but hey, live and learn I guess
pliant narwhal
signet of tormented kings is only proccing of avater as prot ?
deft vessel
I mean, yes, of course, what else would it proc off of?
sweet summit
we dont know
deft vessel
for all we know it's not, but there's not been any communication on it
pliant narwhal
k but someone reported that issue already? or shall i?
deft vessel
people have been reporting, I've reported once, but at this point I just assume it's only meant to proc off avatar and have kind of filed the legendary in the "make later" pile
wheat sleet
it procs on ravager as arms because it replaces bladestorm
prot doesnt have bladestorm
sweet summit
not really
deft vessel
I still find it... unpleasant that I lose control over my character for the random bladestorm procs
(have experimented with the torghast power)
cinder nova
/cancelaura Bladestorm
deft vessel
it's less critical in torghast so I haven't really given it a fair shot yet but yeah
cinder nova
I take checks and money orders
sweet summit
you still block during bs
deft vessel
well yeah, but if I do that then what the hell am I using the legendary for lol
cinder nova
Reck
sweet summit
and can cast demo/sb/ip/sr/sw/ls etc
cinder nova
I dunno
deft vessel
but yeah, either way, definitely making it a later date once i have some baseline of rank 4s ready
it's at least one of the more interesting ones (compared to many of the other options)
sweet summit
arbiter sims the highest for us iirc
paper coral
Any guesses as to if we're gonna scale like we did in BFA, or even remotely as well?
sweet summit
we didnt "scale" in bfa, we got buffed after the first patch
paper coral
I knew I was saying it wrong.
sweet summit
but yeah, it gets better with more gear and haste
paper coral
I mean, we were already used in the race to world first successfully. M+ seems to be a little bit of a pain point for us compared to others (not a bad thing tho). That will improve for us as we gear and scale?
sweet summit
id imagine so, we also kind arely on big ilvl shield for damage reduction
uneven mason
Tank balance is insanely close this Xpac outside of the extreme ends of M+, but thats mostly due to how stronk VDH is at holding aggro while not tanking
paper coral
Yeah. I really like the "I'm not moving, you move" tank mentality and because of that I know i'll never really push high keys.
But I like the idea of being the unkillable fuck you tank with high DR.
and from what i'm reading shield block is pretty fucking good at that, and we have tools for magic damage.
cinder pasture
A lot of tankiness with warriors come with proper mitigation/cd usage aswell, difference between a badly played warrior and a good one is so huge
dusky mica
Default ui is garbage for tanks. That’s a big part of why new tanks suck. It doesn’t adequately show useful information.
paper coral
Thats one of the things I really like about FFXIV. Everything is cooked in by default.
dusky mica
You can’t tell if block is up or down, no idea about ip remaining or any other DR. You have to just guess
steady spruce
Default ui is garbage for most spec lol
deft vessel
I do think warrior is more punishing than most other tanks as far as mitigation goes, yes VDH and Prot Pally are also vulnerable but 1) vdh has more tools for mob control and even more mobility (and more self healing) and prot pally has essentially permanent uptime on their mitigation, the rest of teh tank lineup is not punished quite as badly for fuck ups
cooldown and resource management is definitely more of a factor for warrior than it is for a druid for example
esp early on where druid/bdk health pools and stagger tend to carry more weight since they are not as tied to gear scaling as armor/block is
so they're pretty good at tanking things undergeared
(which is for all intents and purposes where the majority of us still are)
all that said, my main frustration with prot warrior design in this expansion is that it seems the only goal heading into shadowlands was to nerf it from its previous iteration, nothing new of consequence was added (I guess execute is cool if you can spare the rage but it's so tacked onto the spec that even that is kind of boring)
they purposefully broke the positive feedback loop between demo shout, avatar and anger management (let's pretend they didn't give prot pally our old anger management) and they purposefully nuked the damage of prot warrior, in part by not leaving any uncapped ability and in part by reducing free procs on revenge to a staggering 2 ppm
so the niche prot warrior had, the high damage well scaling tank, evaporated
dusky mica
I find the ppm cool down they placed on revenge one of the dumbest things I’ve seen in this game.
deft vessel
it's just...disappointing
that the design goal wasn't to carve out a new niche for prot warrior, it's to just...make it a much weaker version of the bfa prot warrior
cinder pasture
Huh, I didn't know about that....Makes sense why I feel it doesn't proc very often 😛
deft vessel
and yes, revenge change is ...lame 😦
ocean yoke
pretty unnecessary change, not like our damage is insanely high anyway. Less procs on something that is pretty far down in the priority list
deft vessel
many of the changes were unnecessary, prot warrior would've likely landed under VDH still with the old play style in tact and with the worse scaling of gear at start of expansion, but it would've still had its niche as the high damage well scaling tank
now we're squishier, do less damage, and have no useful/practical niche that we fill
the one saving grace right now is that the DPS warrior specs are not in great shape either
so people may still consider us for battle shout
but yeah, as someone who played prot in BfA, i can't shake the feeling of just being ....worse in every regard
spear is cool tho, i got that going for me
undone jacinth
dunno if i'd call prot warrior a niche pick
it was the vdh of bfa m+
there's barely anything wrong with it now
sounds like an overreaction tbh
deft vessel
I'm not saying it was a "niche" pick, I'm saying it has its own niche, as in, it specialized in something and did that thing well
undone jacinth
doing loads of dmg and scaling well isn't a niche
that's just being overtuned
lol
deft vessel
i'm also not saying there's anything wrong with it now, I'm clearly here and clearly playing it
but it doesn't change the fact the mechanics that were at the core of the strength of prot warrior in bfa got either outright removed or significantly nerfed, while maintaining many other tanks' identities
deft vessel
it's like you're not even reading what I'm saying, either that or lack the understanding of nuance lol
undone jacinth
and there's more than 1 viable build this expac, the tank plays pretty well when you get used to it and it won the wf race
when it was awful in raid in bfa
hardy radish
I’ve got a question for y’all: should I be taunting Sludgefist when I pop shield wall or just let my cotank (a brewmaster) hold aggro the entire time?
deft vessel
and saying it was "awful in raid" is such an oversimplification and exaggeration of its own right
dusky mica
Limit took warrior because it was the least bad option for their players
cinder nova
Pretty sure Sludge doesn't have a swap mechanic
deft vessel
I’ve got a question for y’all: should I be taunting Sludgefist when I pop shield...
I don't think it matters actually, I'd have to double check 🤔
cinder nova
Just gotta hug your cotank
deft vessel
yeah I think it's pretty much that
undone jacinth
you just swap on sludge if ur cotank is out of defensives
hardy radish
I know it doesn’t have a swap mechanic, but I thought it was the primary target’s damage intake that determines how much the other tank gets hit for
undone jacinth
cos the main tank takes melee and fists
deft vessel
that's what he's asking though, there's no functional difference I thought
undone jacinth
unless they fixed it the ot was not taking as much as the mt
cinder nova
You shouldn't ever be tanking both
tardy parcel
You're getting hit for the same values of the primary tank, so their defensives will cause you to take less damage
cinder nova
that means you're not close enough
No, the buff just does a fixed damage sum
It's not reliant on what your MT takes
paper coral
Dumb question, if the MT is a monk, the cotank doesn't take stagger damage, right?
hardy radish
In my personal experience, no
undone jacinth
its just based off the bosses melee
not dmg taken
afaik
but previously the ot wasn't taking nearly as much as the mt
deft vessel
from what I'm quickly reading it only copies over health damage, so mitigated damage does in fact matter, as it's 100% physical, a warrior will do best to main tank majority of encounter, and flat damage reduction cooldowns on the "active tank" will indeed lead to less damage taken by both
echo carbon
Is devestator really that much better then punish? It feels akward when tanking ST that just me?
ionic fern
Probably just you. 😄
ocean yoke
Yeah it feels fine for me, a ton of shield slam resets
wind yoke
Punish + Heavy repro feels good imo, like someone in this channel earlier said they run it because they like the hit of dopamine every shield slam, I think thats a good way to describe it
but devastate does indeed feel useless and it's almost definitely not as useful as the meta talents
torn mirage
Is devestator really that much better then punish? It feels akward when tanking ...
It feels weird not having a button to smash, but the rage increase is rly useful
red swallow
Sometimes i wonder if im actually autoattacking or accidentally cancelling it cuz i barely get any procs
undone jacinth
I feel like it procs all the time
also someone did the math and said that windfury procs didn't give much but I play with an enhance and do feel like I notice the difference
but probably in my head
cinder nova
I know I feel the WF when I'm arms :^)
undone jacinth
yeah arms was like 7.5% or something
fiery badge
I might switch Bolster/Ravager for AM/UF
See how that feels now
obtuse scaffold
I got the Wall last night so I may craft and try the same. I love ravager but SW every 60 seconds it sounds like? With optimal uptime/build sounds cool.
sweet summit
what does ravager have to do with the wall?
obtuse scaffold
Oh maybe I read it wrong... can I keep ravage with wall. I'm not at pc and drawing a blank now on talents like a scrub
ocean yoke
You can for sure, Im guessing youre thinking about bolster v anger management
obtuse scaffold
Okay that's what I'm running atm
For some reason swore I read you dropped it for one of them. Thanks for clearing it up! (It was like 2 am lastnight ans I was zzz)
cinder nova
Personally with Bolster I wouldn't be averse to a LS legendary
Couple it with UF
Could be cool.
obtuse scaffold
True that
obtuse scaffold
I'm maining hunter for my raid team. But warrior is my first love but I'm a bit behind. Lol
cinder nova
Bolster + UF would make for some spicy uptime and rage boosts
obtuse scaffold
Yeah I agree. My biggest problem is using all our defensives at the best time. Sometimes I think I overlap too much out of panic. And sometimes I trust just sb too much. LS with higher uptime would be amazing for me lol.
cinder nova
I miss when I could have Bolster and AM.
Still wondering why NS is a talent
It's been around since... what? Legion? WOD?
And has always been hot garbage.
obtuse scaffold
Thats why I'm thinking Wall instead of TL. I feel like I'm bad at tclap every cd cool down thing.
I miss early legion IP
Rip
cinder nova
Well, Wall is pretty good for M+
And it's good for raiding
So you can't really go wrong
I'd probably go TLV and Bootyclap spec on Teeming
But nothing else
obtuse scaffold
Good good. I plan on crafting today. Got r2 TL so I'm good with it where it is
Want an arms build but no weapon and I want signet
Makes sense good call.
obtuse scaffold
I got it at 177 atm. Last night after raid I did a few
I bought conq 1h for tank. Haste vers
Y3ah i did the a few bosses in our normal run last night at 192 .. and I had a few purple parses for ilvl. So now I'm amped. Haven't armsed since 8.1
cinder nova
Huntsman is meme-tier arms fodder
obtuse scaffold
But i got my wall and ip conduit. Which was the point of raiding with warrior. So I'm gonna do some tanking today now. Test out wall
obtuse scaffold
I had to go main for it. For bow chance
Got bow from sire though. So normal is all warrior next week
cinder nova
Speaking of loot I wanna peel my face off
Between this week and last I've done 17 M+ keys all 6 and above
Full clear of N CN
And 3/10 H CN
1 upgrade
red swallow
:)
obtuse scaffold
Yeah its super rough. Tbh... I love the slow drip. Gear feels great when it hits. But I'm very competitive... and when someone gets a huge upgrade and starts beating me in dps... oofs.
cinder nova
I know that feeling.
I used to shred my cotank VDH's aggro
even without TD
Now I can barely keep it
neat root
Yeah the slow drip is nicer tbh
cinder nova
Gotta omega tryhard just to keep pace
obtuse scaffold
I have had mobs run from me in m+... never happened in legion-bfa
cinder nova
Meanwhile in VDH land it's just "haha brand"
neat root
Usually I'm bored this far into an xpac and quit but I'm not there yet
Still more gear to get
obtuse scaffold
BUt wE sCaLe
neat root
Fresh Tarkov wipe isn't helping tho
obtuse scaffold
Yeah I like the slower loot. I got hosed on vault this week on both toons. So I'm grumpy. But overall... much better 5han loot pinata
red swallow
I agree, the only thing that is a sour taste in the mouth is when ur pugging and 2 peeps who dont do shit gets loot so you know u dont even have to walk to the chest KEKW
but thats rare, rather take this any day over just wait for weekly . exe
fiery badge
I haven’t had too much trouble getting loot TBH
I like it better this way too. Tbh only the REAL ones are playing Prot warrior rn
neat root
I got looted quick before mythic+. Nearly Full mythic 0 gear within the first week.
Then it slowed up quite a bit
fiery badge
I’m going to be switching between Arms PvP and PvE tanking but mainly arms PvP
Probably going to craft Thunderlord after I craft unhinged, which I need like 600 more soul ash for since I bought a high rank base
I’ll probably never see the inside of Nathria since my guild has 2 main tanks and doesn’t need another warrior for anything atm.
signal rune
if i throw Rav in the last sec of Avatar, is the damage snapshotted?
(or maybe just line it up better)
chilly brook
Why wouldn't you just throw ravager as soon as it's up
The biggest pull of ravager is the rage gen not the damage
And its typically up at the same time as avatar
sweet abyss
which lego would you guys craft for an ALT prot warrior? the wall or thunderlord? it'll see more m+ than raid, but will still see raids
signal rune
yes it just happened to me just now and i wonder if it snapshotted
chilly brook
If you're more for m+ TGV @sweet abyss
civic rover
in legion, the only one i had on warrior for the longest time was that archimonde trinket
the one that gave the shield or something
chilly brook
Archimonds hatred
civic rover
i remember it was like OP for a while and it got nerfed
strong forum
if i throw Rav in the last sec of Avatar, is the damage snapshotted?
Nothing in this game snapshots
Only feral druids have a few things that still snapshot
signal rune
ok 
fiery badge
I wonder when we will get to equip 2 leggos
torn gulch
fiery badge
Or wall + unbreakable
silk mortar
deft vessel
Just as an aside, teeming does not exist which I saw in the conversation above
proven herald
since we are on the topic of snapshotting, here is an interesting question. Say at time t, a boss applies a dot on me for 15 seconds. If, at time t+5sec I use demo shout, will I then take 20% reduced damage for the remaining dot duration (while demo is active) ?
strong forum
Nothing in this game snapshots
^
cloud cargo
how is your tanking in DOS ? I died 5 times on start and my dps almost leave it .. 😄 +8 O_O i am really weak in DOS and MISTS
strong forum
There can multiple reasons
chilly brook
You're either fucking up or they are
strong forum
You yourself are playing badly, your group isn't kicking anything, your healer isn't healing, your groups dps is bad, you don't know what the mobs can do / what needs to be interrupted
Could be 1 of these things
Or all of them
mellow patio
DoS has one of the lowest margins for error as well
cloud cargo
i was plague +9 with no problems, it is simplest m+ for me
strong forum
The skeleton packs in DoS are very dangerous as they do alot of magic dmg that needs to be dodged/reflected/interrupted
mellow patio
Use the urns in dos
chilly brook
That doesn't mean you're playing well tbh
mellow patio
If you aren’t using the urns you are trolling
strong forum
Or don't have a nightfae :^)
chilly brook
You're so reliant on your group that they can cover up a lot of mistakes
mellow patio
Feels bad bro
cloud cargo
If you aren’t using the urns you are trolling
no covenant there
chilly brook
Side note
And completely off topic
Keanu Reeves has a motorcycle company
And most of the bikes in Cyberpunk are based off of his bikes
mellow patio
Cyberpunk 
cloud cargo
🙂
chilly brook
Cyberpunk <:pepsihands:589678101446000670>
Hey man 50 hours and no regrets so far
mellow patio
I logged off when I saw bullets don’t splash
strong forum
💦
mellow patio
No diving animation 