de other side +8, group wasn't the best, so a fair chunk of kiting and a wipe (thus food not reapplied until late)
#protection
chilly brook
By leash do you mean the hook trinket?
strong forum
barghast leash
deft vessel
meat hook is passable for single target deeps is it not?
strong forum
ye is aight
deft vessel
(that's assuming you need single target deeps)
cinder frigate
@strong forum thanks for all the info. Super helpful.
chilly brook
yea it pumps single target according to sims
deft vessel
yeah, I want a viscera trinket, haven't found one
I use anima field emitter and decanter of anima-charged winds mostly
I do have an LFR gluttonous spike but the decanter is stronger on sustained AOE (dungeons) i'm pretty sure
and anima emitter is just great cus haste and high uptime
deft vessel
I've had my fill of necrotic wake for a moment X_X
sage cairn
so if i got spike would i replace viscera?
strong forum
spike doesnt do amazing damage
but its alright healing
atleast i think so
dont have it to test it
chilly brook
sim
deft vessel
I think you're right yeah
this also mucho healing, in a normal m+ early on it was about 10% of my overall hps
but it's a world quest trinket
so this 164 is the highest I have
a bit of a bummer
lavish oracle
I like Necrotic wake
lavish oracle
It's easy when you have a coordinated group
strong forum
cuz im running anime+hakkar
lavish oracle
esp if you have a pet class
strong forum
maybe ill use queensguard on this grievous week
lavish oracle
Where is Queensguard from?
strong forum
WQ
strong forum
its not a bad trinket
empty nexus
is venthyr any good for tanking or no cuz i wanna offspec as arms
lavish oracle
2 minute CD is kinda awkward though
strong forum
venthyr is useless in m+
good in raid
kyrian is amazing in m+, also bis for arms pvp
and bis for raiding as tank
venthyr is only good if your mainspec is arms and you raid
lavish oracle
Might fuck around with 2 endurance or endurance/finesse once we get our next potency slot
SoF doesn't seem worth it
strong forum
yes
steady spruce
What's your take on Milificent Manastorm? She opened me up with her chainsaw
strong forum
have SB up for her mechanic
and you can reflect 1! of the dot applications
you can also cleanse the bleed with potion
lavish oracle
Yeah, I just phial it once its max stacks
steady spruce
But i feel like she really oftenly cast it
strong forum
deal with it
lavish oracle
this week didn't seem like an issue, we just melted her
amber herald
try bolster/ravager if you're currently using anger management
lavish oracle
Millhouse isn't exactly trucking anyways, you can just save your CDs for Milli
steady spruce
i really hate the Crunch on Muah Zela too, cast way too fast to be able to react properly imo
strong forum
you can reflect it
amber herald
soulcrusher?
steady spruce
i'm gonna try but the cast is fast
lavish oracle
Master of Death
amber herald
damn didn't know that
steady spruce
like compared to the scythe of ToP last boss.
amber herald
Same for last boss of theater of pain's scythe
lavish oracle
you can reflect both but probably reflect master of death instead
amber herald
good tip
lavish oracle
I legit took like half as much damage on that fight after I figured that out
amber herald
has anyone had a purple ball spawn that shoots people on mueslasza by the way?
My group wasn't sure what's causing it
lavish oracle
yeah, seemed bugged
lavish oracle
it's supposed to be if someone leaves the boss platform
amber herald
wonder if one of my group was dodging master of death by running up the stairs then
undone jacinth
i'm gonna try but the cast is fast
you don't need to react to the cast, you can just pre-cast reflect based on context
soulcrusher happens at the start, after master of death etc
just try to notice when hes doing it rather than trying to react
amber herald
so 3/3 master of death then cast reflect
amber herald
does it do physical as well as magical?
steady spruce
Thanks for the Tip magical Dolphin giver of tips
undone jacinth
all good my son
steady spruce
I'm having a really hard time understanding and remembering all the mechanic of all the bosses and packs of each dungeon
Coming from classic Mechanics are a new concept to me
undone jacinth
lol
the trick is just to do them a lot, you'll learn pretty quick when they are killing you
I think a lot of tanks give up due to their grp flaming them in their first few runs etc
steady spruce
Yeah but the mechanics that are oftenly overlooked in lesser keys surprise me in 9+
open monolith
the group i was running keys with
undone jacinth
yeah need as much practice as possible over 10
steady spruce
Is that what they do? fuck
undone jacinth
they are a bit of a plague atm
just gotta make friends with ppl who bring u instead of ur class I guess
open monolith
yeah these were some internet randoms i met
were playing consistently, but they wanna metachase
strong forum
Coming from classic Mechanics are a new concept to me
strong forum
i dont see DHs outdamaging me by miles...
open monolith
kek
strong forum
yes
open monolith
how in the fuck are you doing that and also not dying.
deft vessel
Honestly? Bolster
undone jacinth
doing theatre obviously xd
lavish oracle
They lobbed you for a VDH?
deft vessel
Like, for real
lavish oracle
Harsh
deft vessel
Just bolster
open monolith
do you just not use ignore pain at all when you have shield block up?
strong forum
i mean
lavish oracle
I mean
lavish oracle
I was doing 9s and 10s and thinking about how much rage I was spending on revenge over IP after someone asked in here the other day
It was a lot
Basically any pull where I was just taking phys damage
cinder nova
Is it possible to stay under 2 stacks in phase 1 of Darkvein when solo tanking?
lavish oracle
Revenge revenge revenge
cinder nova
More damage = faster kill.
strong forum
shes easy enough
open monolith
you cannot solo tank darkvein entirely, no
cinder nova
Also solo tanking is big pee pee energy
open monolith
she casts the stack too often
cinder nova
So you basically need enough DPS to surge through P1 to avoid getting clowned by the stacks.
deft vessel
But yeah, reflect on second stack gives you the most space
deft vessel
It's a quick cast tho so got to stay on top of spell reflect
cinder nova
That's not hard. It's pretty obvious when it'll be up on DBM
Just precast
🇪 🇿 👏
Just trying to figure out if there's a trick to P1 or if it's just "suck shit kid" until P2
cinder nova
Swapping forces healers to reorient.
open monolith
there's no secret to phase 1
....
are your healers retarded?
have they never raided before?
"Okay swap now"
"Okay I have her"
cinder nova
No, but if you aren't under threat of dying, you generally wanna wedge as much damage into a raid as possible so fights can go quicker and shit dies faster. There is a point where you'll get enough gear to pare down on healers and increase DPS.
open monolith
which has... what to do with tank swapping a tank swap mechanic
cinder nova
Because you can solo tank Darkvein, which allows you an extra DPS. It just seems like I'll have to rotate CDs and externals until P2
open monolith
she casts too often for you to consistently spell reflect every other one.
You cannot solo Darkvein, that's a myth
open monolith
you can considerably lower the number of stacks with reflect
but she often will get fucked up in her cast order
cinder nova
You can stay at 1 stack the entire fight
open monolith
and cast several before reflect is back up
cinder nova
Every point after 2
open monolith
so why are you here?
cinder nova
You're getting really standoffish over a question bud.
I'm asking because stacks are high in P1, but P2 onward has enough buffer casts of other mechanics that allow you to stay under 2 stacks.
deft vessel
I don't get the point of the conversation, it's a tank swap mechanic, you seem oddly against running a second tank, yet you're asking if you can solo tank her and in the next sentence claiming you already have
I assume others are as confused as me
cinder nova
But I was curious if you could even stay under 2 in P1, or if it's unavoidable.
No, I'm asking specifically for Phase 1 of Darkvein if it's possible to stay under 2 stacks like you can for Phase 2 onward.
Or if it's not possible.
cinder nova
I can probably just get a paladin to taunt the stack if absolutely necessary.
Then take it back.
deft vessel
It's literally easier to just...run a second tank
cinder nova
If you don't have to, you shouldn't, strictly speaking.
deft vessel
Run a vdh or prot paladin if you're so worried about damage
cinder nova
But that's if you care to max damage.
deft vessel
Yes but this is the point, you have to
cinder nova
You don't?
cinder nova
Some fights you have to not all fights.
deft vessel
Do you make the whole raid overly complicated for your entire raid group out of some meaningless fixation to be the only tank in a raid I wonder?
wicked lantern
This dude trollin or nah?
deft vessel
I don't know
But I'm heading to bed, do whatever you want bud, you seem to have it figured out better than us
cinder nova
I'm not. Just trying to rattle my brain on why one tanking a fight that can be one tanked is catching so much flak when it lets warriors leverage their one cool ability to improve raid DPS.
lavish oracle
I dunno, just seems like less work to 2 tank it, like you probably could solo tank it but at the end of the day why bother if you're making the damage checks already and it saves you like 15 seconds at most
cinder nova
Some groups like to push numbers, others don't.
Mine does, so I'm trying to hash out a plan.
lavish oracle
If your dps are trying to parse or you're trying to get fastest kill go for it, I suppose
cinder nova
My main inquiry was digging to see if Phase 1 could stay below 2 stacks or if it was unavoidable, and the answer is "you can't."
So I gotta have either a DPS with a taunt snatch one for me
Or just rotate CDs and externals
Or both
And everyone flew off the autism handle because "bUt TwO tAnKs"
lavish oracle
This is for heroic I suppose, right?
cinder nova
Ye
round vortex
I don't think it was an austism handle. I think it was fairly unanimously agreed that the opportunity cost wasnt worth it
cinder nova
I think you overestimate the mental acumen of the average human.
Can paladins shed the debuff entirely with bubble, or does it just immune the damage?
woven kiln
the dps requirements are low on the fight, min maxing solotanking, even if it was meta, is a bit of a meme
lavish oracle
Does she phase at specific health thresholds in addition to after a certain amount of time?
cinder nova
Pretty sure it's cannisters
lavish oracle
I feel like I've phase her early but I wasn't actually paying attention
lavish oracle
Yeah, okay, easiest way seems like just burn her out of phase 1, then
woven kiln
we lust on pull and phase 1 just melts
cinder nova
That's the modus operandi here, too, but it can still get to an untenable level.
But yeah - does anyone know if it can be stripped entirely by bubble, or nah?
lavish oracle
I would guess: probably
cinder nova
I guess I'll go kick open the paladin discord.
torpid granite
why is warrior representation on warcraft logs so low
mighty valley
meta perception is self-fulfilling
lavish oracle
Yep
torpid granite
lol iS DH fotm?
woven kiln
If you think warrior is bad, you're probablt right (in your own case)
mighty valley
Yeah they’re the majority of the top keys rn
woven kiln
tank balance id great in SL
torpid granite
i primarliyl raid
lavish oracle
DH is mega fotm
woven kiln
I like that warr isn't fotm right now, it's nice being in the world top 100
lavish oracle
Ye, chill times. I like being able to surprise healers with how easy I am to heal
Especially after everyone insists we get destroyed
woven kiln
people forget warrs are still kings of physical DR. I get so many externals before easily survivable hits (enraged adds in DoS), from healers used to DHs dipping to 10% every few seconds
lavish oracle
And they're like 'oh, you're way easier to heal than a DH' because fotm rerollers don't realize they have to kite
When spikes and meta aren't up
smoky canopy
Was wondering if any of u had any problem with keeping aggro ? I do M+ with an Fire Mage who consistantly steal aggro during his Combustion, even with my Avatar/thunderclap i can't take it properly.
Do you have any advice
smoky canopy
That's what i though, but Revenge cost a decent amount of rage
That i loose on mitigation
strong forum
its your main damage button...
lavish oracle
Nah, I was running with double fire mage earlier, I just save Ravager or spear and I'm fine mostly
strong forum
Revenge is your main damage button and offensive spender
lavish oracle
Worst case I press challenging shout
smoky canopy
I do too, but i always have some problem, 'cause 4 minutes
woven kiln
timing is key during combustion, or wings. Make sure you're there first of all, then build enough aggro to survive one big crit before Spear. Blizz want some aggro gameplay now, so you will be deciding between ignore pain and revenge a lot in SL. Do you NEED an IP to survive? Save another snap aggro ability, for instance
woven kiln
my backup for aggro is just to waste a stun and spam a few revenges. Not ideal, but better than messing up a deathball
smoky canopy
I'm night fea, so i try to save it up for aggro
night wadi
Man this chat moves quick
lavish oracle
Night fae actually lines up kinda perfectly with the way mages press combust
smoky canopy
I'll try to do this more
woven kiln
only hold the NF ability if you're at the end of a pack. It's a bit like booming voice demo shout; it needs to be on CD most of the time
sick sentinel
I have problem of execute spam whenever it's available
smoky canopy
I've been doing revenge from time to time, but i've always been wondering if it was the right choice
lavish oracle
Mages have bust for just about every other pull, if you do big pull -> little pull-> big pull, you can probably line up aftershocks with their combusts
strong forum
in my HoA 14 today
i casted 199 revenges
323 shield slams
that should kinda give you an idea on how often you should be using revenge
in mists 15, 346 SS, 228 Revenge
smoky canopy
k, so i need to give up mitigation
lavish oracle
What s your overall usually like, nom?
strong forum
3k~ish
sick sentinel
Revenge can proc free shield slams
strong forum
you dont need to give up on mitigation
lavish oracle
Ah, k, I'm a little behind that
woven kiln
you give up some mitigation every revenge, but you can really have th best of both worlds. With the rage gen of charge and demo shout, you have enough rage budget for a revenge or two, a SB and an IP at the start of a pack
sick sentinel
But yes spam hell out of ss and thunderclap revenge
smoky canopy
Tbh i almost enver cap Ignore pain, always got a good bar on WA to cheack it
strong forum
how
smoky canopy
'cause from what i know, it's important not to waste rage
smoky canopy
Thing is, i take sooo much damage
sick sentinel
Wasting rage mostly comes from attacking when rage cappes
smoky canopy
It often look like i'm going to freakin' die
lavish oracle
What level keys are you in amin?
smoky canopy
7-8 with 185 ilvl
strong forum
sick sentinel
You get used to that constantly about to die feeling in kets
strong forum
then your group/healer/dps are not doing their jobs correctly
lavish oracle
Hm, I don't think you should be taking that much damage
strong forum
in 7/8s dmg intake almost doesnt exist
woven kiln
It sounds like a rotational issue Amin. It might just be because you're holding SB charges, or not keeping SS on CD
smoky canopy
Big pack deal a lot
It's not like it happen at every pack
But on tough spot
It's difficult to revenge instead of IP
lavish oracle
Some mobs are scary, I would get an idea of which packs do what, some of them have stuff that hits the tank hard that isn't always apparent
sick sentinel
Don't forget if your e talented for bolster you get an effect for duration
lavish oracle
The little skeletons for example in DOS hit for a lot of magic damage with their white swings
sick sentinel
100% block not the damage to ss
woven kiln
damage intake from 7/8 isn't non existent. Just because we can crush 14s+ doesn't mean people aren't still learning in the sun 10 keys
you could go bolster
but anger management, with the leggo is better
you get SW constantly
smoky canopy
I often go bolster
strong forum
i recommend Bolster for +11 keys and higher, for 10 and below AM will suffice
sick sentinel
No bolster will feel really weird to me
woven kiln
bolster feels amazing
strong forum
i used AM + Wall for a couple 12-14s last week
its aight, but swapping back to bolster + unnerving focus really is better QoL and survivability
emphasis on Unnerving Focus ( Conduit )
lavish oracle
Unnerving focus feels so good
strong forum
get some mad pump going with it
woven kiln
I haven't even tried bolster since I got the wall for 13-15s. It just seems that SW is always in my pocked for anything one-shotty
wicked lantern
damage intake from 7/8 isn't non existent. Just because we can crush 14s+ doesn...
My man
lavish oracle
I just pop SW on CD to get an charges back
strong forum
SW is up alot yes, but like the 8seconds arent enough to cover gaps here and ther
Bolster + The Wall though
gives you best of both worlds
obv also depends on if your DPS are omega blasters or not
lavish oracle
Sometimes it's a little more planned than that if I know there's a scary pull with unlockable damage coming up
strong forum
if you have a Firemage and or Unholy DK ofc shit isnt gonna see the day of light
woven kiln
I'll have to try it. My dpsers are kinda average
strong forum
and yeah, you cant always "predict" if SW will be ready or not
cuz you have to spam use it
to make the best use out of it
lavish oracle
I ran a 9 mists with 2 fire mages and an mm earlier and they were just deleting shit
I don't know that any of the bosses lasted longer than 50 seconds
strong forum
we had a 5min first boss on mists 15 cuz the DPS tried to not burn the Plant dude after boss hit sub 1mil hp
didnt work out too well
lavish oracle
Maybe the 2nd boss because of guessing game
woven kiln
lol
strong forum
2nd boss' mechanics are % based
woven kiln
I think i had the same group not dpsing the banner in ToP earlier, when the boss was at 25%
sick sentinel
Just a helmet now and done with blues, well except veracity deck, gives haste so it seems good
strong forum
banner boss is a yikes on tyrannical
strong forum
idk but the banner is just chonky, and when people get sent down, and the DPS upstairs doesnt have burst... its kinda 
lavish oracle
Fair
amber herald
or when one of the dps is dead and it's you and the healer trying to kill the banner
happened to me
we didn't do it lmao
quiet dove
hey, where can i see the best trinkets?
nimble plover
Crit+vers or haste+mastery on 1h? For m+
lavish oracle
I'd just always grab the haste
torpid granite
So why did y’all go port over the other tanks?
woven kiln
10+ year habbits die hard
mighty valley
Same - plus I just don't like the fantasy of any of the others
Warrior sfx are all so chunky and satisfying
steel mauve
Btw any general rules i should go by when it comes to 1h?
just follow the priority, 1 hands arent special, just ilvl>haste>the other 3
nimble plover
Thanks
steady spruce
I feel like Shield block is too expensive
torpid granite
Leveling I’m just swimming in rage
coral marsh
is nightfae better than kyrian for mythic+?
steady spruce
no
coral marsh
but there is a conduit that makes it so when you are fox you heal yourself
sounds pretty good + aoe ability
amber herald
it's not a bad choice just potion is too useful as tank for lots of things
neat dirge
Bless removing debuffs with it
Kekw
Gotta be real with yall
I fucking love prot warrior
That's all
We do be struggling sometimes but man, easily the most fun and coolest tank class / specc
steel mauve
aftershock will do more damage than spear IF you can keep enemies inside it for the duration, but spear makes sure mobs stay in it, plus helps for kiting, and the potion is extremely strong clearing a lot of dots off, i went NF because i like their look and dont mind aftershock
lavish oracle
Night fae is pretty close but Phial is huge
neat dirge
the fact that Phial / healthstone / health potion dosnt share cooldown
is nice
if Phial shared with one of those
it wouldnt be as good
coral marsh
this week
i struggled to get a single +12 for weekly
so many keys died to some tyrannic bosses
neat dirge
Yeah my group failed at DoS 12 at that artificer looking boss
Cuz chain lightning wasn't handled well
coral marsh
ye i actually managed to do it with a dos key
neat dirge
I think Milhouse is easier then artificer
coral marsh
idk healers always suck there but i made sure to get a holy pala
they are the best by far imo
neat dirge
Yeah I love hpala
torpid granite
anyone versed with details?
undone jacinth
what do you need
torpid granite
shit is stuck in my chat window and wont move
undone jacinth
sorted?
torpid granite
it is
pastel sleet
2 quick questions.
-
until the second endurance conduit is unlocked, is it worth it to run BV and UF instead of Peircing Verdict + Endurance conduit?
-
i have both the haste pvp trinket and the anima field conducter at the same ilvl. i feel like the pvp one would be better due to their not being a movement restriction and the importance of kiting atm. Logs show evidence of the opposite. why am i wrong?
undone jacinth
- not rly 2) does anima give u more haste?
heady plaza
is bargast's leash good for m+? i just got it and the effect sounds really bad
nimble plover
Does prot do decent aoe dmg or whats the state? Are they the worst m+ tanks?
kindred warren
are you running +15s?
pastel sleet
@undone jacinth i dont know the exact uptimes of the trinkets. the pvp one gives 79 haste for 100% uptime and procs for 119 (20 sec). the AFC gives 54 strength and procs for 235 haste if you stand in a location. thats why i ask the question. AFC seems to give a lil more stats, but the trade off is it keeps you from kiting.
undone jacinth
is bargast's leash good for m+? i just got it and the effect sounds really bad
not great
undone jacinth
Does prot do decent aoe dmg or whats the state? Are they the worst m+ tanks?
they are fine but not the best at the highest level right now, damage is good
turbid cargo
@pastel sleet the uptime on the pvp one is really solid from what I've seen. 50-65% for me
pastel sleet
exactly
exotic spoke
the benefit of the pvp one over the anima field is that youre not tied down to a specific spot
pastel sleet
exactly
nimble plover
I see. What makes prot not-so-awesome?
exotic spoke
Personally. I run the pvp one
exotic spoke
The same thing all the other tanks struggle with - damage in take in high keys is obscene.
turbid cargo
I see. What makes prot not-so-awesome?
public opinion
undone jacinth
<@!132546192105144320> i dont know the exact uptimes of the trinkets. the pvp on...
a lil more stats? it’s giving like double.. lol yeah ofc it’s better
anima field does not tie u down really
exotic spoke
Disagree
undone jacinth
the thing moves all the time
exotic spoke
In M+ last week it would have been terrible to use
yes it moves, but if you want the buff at that moment when a tornado is going through it good luck
so, my statement stands, you are tied down to the current location if you want it
undone jacinth
it’s much bigger than a tornado but whatevs
exotic spoke
It adds complication is my point
undone jacinth
in exchange for better reward
undone jacinth
I see. What makes prot not-so-awesome?
basically VDH is overtuned right now... things might change as more players get to higher keys or we get much better gear
it’s totally fine to play tho
just can’t expect to be doing world #1 keys
spiral stag
Where did you guys get your shields from? I have ilvl 180+ but my shields still a blue 158
pastel sleet
@spiral stag if you are really struggling do the pvp dailies and buy one from the vendor
heavy sail
pastel sleet
yep
spiral stag
Ah got it, thanks guys!
pastel sleet
now that im thinking about it. i reckon you dont need the haste while kiting so the downtime is less important
thanks for the brainstorm
lavish oracle
@nimble plover we're like high mid-tier at the moment but all the tanks are pretty close
chilly brook
Did they patch Inerva Darkvein?
Can you no longer spell reflect the dot application?
torpid granite
what covenant are yall running?
pastel sleet
kyrian
lusty marsh
kindred warren
Vent
chilly brook
@lusty marsh is it confirmed?
astral crystal
is it spell reflectable? 🤔
prot bros dont turn spears against one another right...
chilly brook
It was last week @astral crystal it deflected but still prevented the application
astral crystal
neat
chilly brook
I was either failing or ir's patched now
lusty marsh
<@!105528920811593728> is it confirmed?
Yeah, it's in a blue post
plain vapor
patent cairn
Is Dragon Roar viable for m+ ?
fallow mortar
wasn't it like the only stack ability we could reflect in the raid?
kind prairie
warped desires doesn't seem to deflect anymore?
oh hey its been mentioned. ignore me
chilly brook
wasn't it like the only stack ability we could reflect in the raid?
Yep afaik it was
fallow mortar
then it makes sense that they fix it, I doubt that was intended
lavish oracle
Is it possible to stay under 2 stacks in phase 1 of Darkvein when solo tanking?
@cinder nova it's no longer possible to solo tank innerva
chilly brook
then it makes sense that they fix it, I doubt that was intended
Idk it wasn't really hurtful and it's not the first boss
To be able to deflect a stack
Vectis comes to mind
fallow mortar
hm, it does a bit to those that get the debuff and take the same damage as the tank though
high folio
will our legendary items still drop if we are loot locked
i cannot get this fucking TC leggo to drop from spires
astral crystal
it's on a separate loot table so maybe
torpid granite
What legendary are you guys running?
astral crystal
the wall
sleek thorn
Last I heard you can still spam dungeons for your leggos
narrow sorrel
I was wondering how warrior dps is doingg?
mellow patio
obsidian wraith
What are your guys preferred tank trinks?
I am running blood scale and another random one im not too sure for a good second. ive been using the slimy consumptive organ promarily but idk how great it is
narrow sorrel
i don't understand that
chilly brook
Those are the damage values for those parses to give you an idea of how the DPS is
Unless you're wondering about Arms/Fury and you're not asking about prot DPS
chilly brook
It's DPS values
high folio
ive noticed our burst cleave is p nice but single target feels lack luster
i dont have a ton of haste rn tho so could be why
chilly brook
Our single target is fine?
2500 DPS on Darkvein is pretty good tbh
That's mostly single target with little downtime
Like granted our pally was 3k even but that's paladin
But also
sick sentinel
Trying to do mythics at 720p 50fps is not super enjoyable but better than 15 last year
15 fps
Family laptop at home, should be grateful it even somewhat plays lol
eternal musk
i have a question im using the thunderlord 210 piece the wall runecarve and about 1500 soul ash
is it worth crafting the wall at 190 and use it at such a low ilvl
since i raid and mythic+
im about 700 raider io and 3/10 heroic castle
some 10-12 keys timed
split wyvern
I would pick up a higher ilvl shadowgast shoulder piece maybe 210. Then Craft the wall
sick sentinel
I only got 190 wall but nomerature says it comes to like 1 min CD on sw with the wall. You don't get to choose when you use it as much there
obsidian wraith
i barely use Shield wall i think the wall is kinda ehhh
sick sentinel
I've not tried thunder lord yet but it seems good I just didn't want to blow a eowtoken worth on some legendary I wouldn't really enjoy
chilly brook
If you're not using it often at that point you're inting
chilly brook
They're both m+ legos
At the very least use Shield Wall to cover Shield Block gaps @obsidian wraith
split wyvern
Or use it on big pulls
sick sentinel
I would love to see the one that grants party 25% damage reduction (50% of shield wall)
eternal musk
yeah
high folio
niche use cases from what i can tell
sick sentinel
Get more attention some boss or tough key because 1/4 smh for all and 20% go is massive
eternal musk
but i love it mythic+
so ok wait to have enough to craft the 210 wall and use that for raid
so i got to upgrade both then
rats
chilly brook
More uptime on 15% DR isn't useless
Just not as good as The Wall in most cases in CN
chilly brook
No
sick sentinel
So if I crafted a 190 wall I flushes that gold away should have just made 210 or whatever?
chilly brook
You still get CDR on 1 target
chilly brook
Just not the most
obsidian wraith
@chilly brook Yeah I am trying to get used to using it more and more. I am still stuck on that being my last line of defense hah a
@chilly brook What do you think for good tank trinks?
I am running the blood spattered scale and slime consuming organ
high folio
gluttonous spike isnt bad
obsidian wraith
What about for raid? @eternal musk
high folio
doesnt a decent bit of healling
eternal musk
theyre good in any setting
sick sentinel
I'll take any trinket game give me at this point
eternal musk
so i gues the trade off for me would be is 19%--->40% demo uptime greater or less than the value of more shield slam rage + shield wall cd
and in a single target setting thats just too high of a value to pass up
sick sentinel
Need a good second one now,they are both haste and I got the crit gem one and a few like ilvl 150-171
eternal musk
dont use crit gems use versatility or haste depending on what you need more of
im seeing most go versatility though
sick sentinel
Way I've always understood warrior from all of bfa tanking was haste first then versa for raid crit for dungeons be sure of how party gives revenge which gives ss
chilly brook
<@!133532617940140032> What do you think for good tank trinks?
I am running the ...
scale is good, but if you're running scale I'd just run a DPS trinket with it
Haste is better than vers
The only reason people go vers is they're misinformed and think vers is the end all be all
Haste>vers>crit>mast
chilly brook
And Ilvl>any of that
sick sentinel
Thunderlord was one of first ones I got
narrow sorrel
How's Protection's DPS?
sick sentinel
Just never made it had like 5 Lego before I could even turn them in turned in one today
high folio
ive gotten fujeida, reprisal, seismic, and stable phantasma
just from playing and getting them radnomly
eternal musk
really matt in terms of ilvl for ex today im wearing a 207 with crit and mastery with mastery being the main stat a 200 drops with haste number 1 and vers number to
in that scenario would i not equip the 200
sick sentinel
I got all the tank ones except for sw party
eternal musk
@chilly brook
chilly brook
no
eternal musk
damn
already did and sold my 207 because my pawn scale told me it was
o well for next time
now i know
chilly brook
Pawn is a trap
chilly brook
And you have to sim for a new pawn string every time you get a new item anyways so it's basically useless
narrow sorrel
how's PRotection's Damage doing?
high folio
478 crit @ 19% and 414 haste @ 13%
sick sentinel
I never look at dps meters so it's hard to say
chilly brook
how's PRotection's Damage doing?
lol I just gave you the numbers hahaha
sick sentinel
I look at hp bars and if they are going down fast or not
chilly brook
It's solidly middle of the pack single target and pretty good on AoE
brisk flax
Did they hot fix Lady Inerva so we cant reflect that shit anymore?
brisk flax
Ohhhh nooo here comes Blizzard "Fun detected, Fun detected, Nerf, Nerf, Nerf"
they couldnt just let us have even one thing
chilly brook
Stun all the flying mobs in Spires and spell reflect all the casts at once
pretty pog
obsidian wraith
I just got it at 216 its a fatty str upgrage
chilly brook
It's a good trinket
sick sentinel
I just can't believe they added personal responsibility to a ton of fights in dungeons
obsidian wraith
I use it for M+ and it lowkey pumps but In raid its eh
sick sentinel
Like tank only disorient interrupt god that was shit to work out
chilly brook
For reference for the spell reflect thing you wanna stun them when they all start casting so it resyncs their casts
so they all go off at the same time
chilly brook
yep
sick sentinel
Cow stomp is fine but meh, you have to cast so you are still vulnerable that 0.5
I use it to interupt trash that I'm not directly targeting stop runners
chilly brook
Impressed a few guildies with that trick
sick sentinel
Intimidating shout still ruining runs with horrible rng
They should renname that spell wipe group
glacial skiff
for endurance conduits in keys would you suggest brutal vitality over the deep wounds one?
aka this vs
chilly brook
Yes I would say Brutal Vitality is better
sick sentinel
I would say the same. That and I have found Unnerving to be pretty good
versed bough
Can I macro intervene targets target?
chilly brook
And I clarified that it's DPS numbers lmao
narrow sorrel
you have but haven't explained that at all
native grotto
How is protection in pvp?
chilly brook
What do you want me to explain regarding the numbers
There are numbers all over WCL that you can compare it to
Or sims on bloodmallet
lean parcel
I am curious is the darkmoon tanking deck any good for us prot warriors?
brisk flax
Thoughts on Memory of Past Sins?
lean parcel
i mean i am using viscera of coalesced hatred and slimy consumptive organ
chilly brook
I meant more like how does Warrior's DPS compare to other tanks.
You can literally look at the top tank DPS in WCL
And compare
same with bloodmallet's sims
narrow sorrel
can you be a little less condescending?
cinder nova
> Is it possible to stay under 2 stacks in phase 1 of Darkvein when solo tanking...
??? Did they hotfix her?
fallow mortar
yarp
solar crown
Bastards. Did they make it non-reflectable or lower the time between casts?
fallow mortar
prob non reflectable
solar crown
shut summit
Yea seems like it
solar crown
Fueled by violence & spear-buff 🥳
cerulean pebble
We can't have nice things
chilly brook
nope
It wasn't exactly a broken mechanic either which is the weird thing
But then again they really disliked the prevalence of SR last xpac
crisp dragon
Slimy Consumptive organ vs Viscera of Coalesced hatred for weekly chest? I got shit
sleek thorn
You can /simc with great vault open and sim your choices if that helps
chilly brook
^
crisp dragon
Would that really matter, since Im a prot warrior
sleek thorn
I think that's a question only you can answer
I think simming for dps is pretty handy
crisp dragon
Its pretty obvious though
one does damage, the other one does 0 damage
Takes no genius to see one will do more dps than the other
fallow mortar
This weeks m+ is rough, oof
stray sierra
simming stat weights for prot on raidbots will show the stat priority for optimal damage right?
not survivability
fallow mortar
Correct
stray sierra
does the stats change much
i have the option of a 216 ring with like 60 crit and 140 mastery, or vers mast bracers 207 ilvl
dunno which is better tbh
fallow mortar
Which gives you the biggest I lvl increase?
strong forum
you can get 207 from end of dungeon
stray sierra
ring
stray sierra
okay thank you
buoyant otter
is splitered heart of alar a doghsit trinket for tank?
strong forum
its good for high end progression
but outside of highend prog, youre less likely to die
sleek thorn
I don't like the damage to party component
Chances are if you're exploding so is your group
strong forum
yeah if you know youre gonna proc
you have to step away from your group
or you blow up the entire raid and wipe
hazy socket
spell reflect doesn't work anymore on lady inerva's expose desires, right?
mighty valley
yeah looks like they just changed it
hazy socket
well that seems fair tbh
strong forum
Hm..
jagged pier
exactly XD
strong forum
Given that the helmet is raid drop
But then again there are insane raid rings aswell
/roll 2 tbh
jagged pier
Helmet it is then XD
amber herald
helmet looks cooler 😎
cerulean quest
Helm
Rings are a lot more common and more chance of party members not needing
Nice choices though ^^
I got some 216 shoulders
jagged pier
but the wall goes on shoulders
jagged pier
fair enough
quaint pollen
How do you guys handle heavy magic dmg
sick sentinel
If I exclusively tank M+ thunderlord is marginally better than wall right? Also thinking of tanking with signet since its what I use on raid even is not the best 😆
sweet summit
If I exclusively tank M+ thunderlord is marginally better than wall right? Also ...
Ya im using signet, its fun but not ideal
sweet summit
How do you guys handle heavy magic dmg
Vast majorty is avoidable with stuns/kicks/spell reflect. Other than that you have IP/SW/Demo/Healer external/running away from danger
worthy ingot
Noticed I can't SR Warped Desires this week on Inerva, didn't see anything in hotfixes about this
sweet summit
Its in the latest hotfix bluepost
lavish oracle
@sick sentinel it's pretty close, I would just pick whichever fits your play style better
sick sentinel
Thanks
maiden ravine
Thunderlord makes me feel more like bfa
restive flax
How do I calculate the actual block value again?
fallow mortar
ooohhhhh
sweet summit
Oh?
fallow mortar
I didn't know about the calculation
sweet summit
Its not needed, more like a fun fact
fallow mortar
yarp
distant crystal
am i crazy or do the Defender of Many Eyes in the spider boss room
hit ridiculously hard
sweet summit
Uhh youre crazy
distant crystal
i gotta start logging keys but i swear this dude hit me for 50K in an 11
shy yoke
Its worth to craft the lego of random avatar, recklessness and bladestorm over the lego of cd reduccion in demoralizing with each thunderclap? (Its for a m+ build, not raiding)
sweet summit
Signet isnt great for us, as it doesnt work with our ravager
Do id take thunderlord or the wall
restive flax
@sweet summit thank you. Was kinda zoned out for a moment.
sweet summit
Both are great options, with thunderlord being better for aoe dps
restive flax
So if I have a 210 shield and go normal Narnia, is my opponent considered evenly matched?
sweet summit
Level 60 K-values
Base/open world: 2500
M0/M+: 2455.0
Castle Nathria LFR: 2500.0
Castle Nathria Normal: 2662.5
Castle Nathria Heroic: 2845.0
Castle Nathria Mythic: 3050.0
Unless i missed a change
restive flax
So my damag reduction would be something like 35,8%
restive flax
1487
shy yoke
But shouldn't we use Unstoppable force instead of Ravager? (With either Signet or Thunderlord)
restive flax
I dont like UF
sweet summit
Not really, ravager and ItF outclasses UF basically everywhere
gray wolf
Bigger aoe has fucked me many times from uf
sweet summit
So my damag reduction would be something like 35,8%
Yes, just doublechecked
fallow mortar
Bigger aoe has fucked me many times from uf
how are you getting abigger aoe from UF?
gray wolf
While avatar is up
native coyote
bigger damage yes, not area
ebon hound
Read it again
gray wolf
Huh
fallow mortar
there is a talent that extends the aoe
sweet summit
I am confused
gray wolf
Don't mind me just confused it seems
native coyote
there was a azerithe trait that increased the radius in bfa
sweet summit
No?
ebon hound
no there wasn't
sweet summit
It was the same talent, crackling thunder
native coyote
ah
shy yoke
He probably means Crackling Thunder
coarse perch
Hi all. just coming back to wow after a couple of years and was thinking of maining prot. is it worth it? if i intend on pushing M+ or raid?
amber herald
i gotta start logging keys but i swear this dude hit me for 50K in an 11
Sure you didn't get ambushed by the spiderlings? 🤔
sweet summit
People just think prot sucks for some reason
tight igloo
So is it worth it running signet as the legendary or should I stick to thunderlords?
sweet summit
Thunderlord is better
versed bough
Should I make thunderlord or The wall in m+?
tight igloo
I saw a lot of warriors in 15+ using signets so I wasn't sure
sweet summit
Cos they main arms in raid
fallow mortar
they are fury and arms
tight igloo
Ah, makes sense
sweet summit
Huge mortal strikes
versed bough
Guys Im really confused which one to make
Thunderlord or The wall
If thunderlord
Im having trouble keeping the aggro @ first pull so I chose Ravage
Raveger*
sweet summit
Make sure youre using revenge and not spending all your rage on ignore pain
A legendary will not fix that issue
versed bough
Its like when I press Revenge
The mobs became jojos and fcking muda the fck out of me
sweet summit
What
How high keys are you doing, ive never had that issue
versed bough
...... Im not yet that high and Im having that kind of problem
sweet summit
You should be safe with shield block up, unless there are casters freecasting on you
versed bough
@sweet summit TEACH ME SENSIE!
sweet summit
Sure
versed bough
What slot should we go?
sweet summit
Boots
wintry tundra
Ive been wondering how big impact is a shield upgrade, compared to.. weapon?
sweet summit
Defensively huge in favour of shield
Offensively huge in favour of weapon
Id prio shield over weapon any day
wintry tundra
Lovely, thanks
sweet summit
Haste vers
deft vessel
lul, we were literally talking about this yesterday
sweet summit
😔
deft vessel
feels bad, I wonder if that warrior from last night will still try to solo tank her 😄
sweet summit
Do it or no balls 👀
open nacelle
How is the healing component of viscera of coalesced hatred doing ?
sweet summit
Very underwhelming
open nacelle
Alright thanks
stuck oriole
i just did 9 plaguefall runs in a row and did not get the organ trinkt
can i get an F or a small violin or something
jagged pier
I thought we wanted the dps trinket from plaguefall not the organ?
stuck oriole
the organ heals like 10k on command why would we not want it
sweet summit
You dont want that organ
jagged pier
because tank trinkets are shit
sweet summit
Is it suddenly good now what
stuck oriole
all our bonus healing causes the thing to just pop 5-6k every single pack
its like a free mini potion
what are bis trinkets then?
sweet summit
It stacks super slow tho
stuck oriole
in my experience i have it every pack
steady spruce
Hakkar scale and vial i believe
sweet summit
Anima field emitter and hakkar one
steady spruce
Oh yeah anima field
lavish oracle
Last I checked, the ooze trinket was like 5 ppm
stuck oriole
alright im never running another plaguefall again in my life
i got the gloves at least tonight theres something
wait i got the trinket from the phoenix boss in nathria
the free rez
i kinda like it for clutching but is anima and hakkar better?
sweet summit
Its good if you need it and wont kill your allies, but if you dont need it its a dead slot
Very hit or miss
stuck oriole
whats your guys target haste % im at 15 right now at 201 is it get as much as possible or is there a point where we start needing more crit and mastery
ember inlet
lavish oracle
How's the spikes trinket?
stuck oriole
was gonna say its mediocre to bad been trying to get rid of it lol
lavish oracle
spikes or armor?
placid oar
Hi guys, can any one share the difference between a 223 ilvl shield, a 226 shield and 233 shield? Am curious about the block difference so i can try to aim for it. Thank you
lavish oracle
'cause armor is maybe the worst trinket around atm, haha
hallow phoenix
More shield ilvl more better, Vobathor. What exactly are you trying to aim for?
lavish oracle
Oh, thought you were asking about the actual block values
hallow phoenix
Yeah lol
placid oar
so i was wondering if i should still try pushing for a mythic ilvl shield if i got a ilvl 223 one
placid oar
okay got it, thank you Tusks
was wondering how much i am losing out as compared to a mythic ilvl one
oh i was curious about the block values
i tried to google but cannot find any
hallow phoenix
It won't hold you back from any content as long as you play properly
placid oar
okay got it
i have much to learn and practice
i understand that shield is very impt for us prot warrior, so i was wondering how much i am losing out without a ilvl 226 or 233 shield
hallow phoenix
In bfa a mythic shield vs heroic shield meant you block about 3% more damage I believe? Not accounting for extra armor
lavish oracle
It's weird that WoWhead doesn't show the block value on shields
hallow phoenix
You can probably get the item link and paste it in game
Might display BV that way
hallow phoenix
Yeah wowhead has in game item links you can paste
lavish oracle
Yeah, you can but it only links the base version
unless I'm fucking something up
which is very possible
😄
hallow phoenix
This place usually ends up with k values listed for different content, then the % blocked is just BV/(BV+K)
Mwahi might know them
placid oar
i guess i should continue rolling prot for my great vault to hope for a ilvl 226 shield before i roll for my offspec
lavish oracle
placid oar
i see, thank you Tusks
hallow phoenix
Oh hey look at that