is pressing spear of bastion
#protection
strong forum
chilly brook
uneven mason
I do miss my spear
chilly brook
Twisting corridors when blizz
uneven mason
but I couldn't take the pigeon smurfs anymore
digital nova
you guys lucky enough to get the shattering throw + charge leap damage amp?
uneven mason
my eyes hurt going to that place
chilly brook
Yep
digital nova
it fuckin rules, more of that please
uneven mason
"Condemn's damage is increased by 200% and can be used on any target regardless of health"
stack up the +25%s 3x on top of that
then the 200% from leap
digital nova
and then the fury potion and ragemote = lmao
uneven mason
then 3x shout debuff, and 20% from DS, 20% from avatar
yup
fury potion
who needs the rage mote
you literally hit for over 1million
charge - done
Multiplicative damage stacking
mmhmmm
digital nova
i haven't got the charge buff and execute buff in the same run
digital nova
i can imagine
uneven mason
so
no mitigation on that
@chilly brook wanna be sad
Imagine if you would, if we had Torghast buffs, and pre nerf Dragon's Roar
yeah
Torghast - on skates
chilly brook
Just imagine having pre nerf DR period
grave vine
Imagine signet working with ravager
amber herald
is it a dps increase to use stormbolt/shockwave on singletarget if there's nothing else to press?
uneven mason
IDK, might be closer to 0.2
strong forum
mh,
you have lika 1.2sec window to do that
if you dont manage it in that window, its a dps loss
i think
latent sable
is DR worth playin in M+? i normally use booming voice
uneven mason
BV is the play
DR lost is luster when it became capped
it does like, feather duster damage above 5 targets
better off just booming for 20% more deepus and hitting revenge
steady spruce
I didn't try other legs yet but i'm loving Signet as prot
uneven mason
its fun
steady spruce
it's pretty fun and useful
sick sentinel
Only works with avatar right?
uneven mason
IDK if I'd say useful
steady spruce
yup
uneven mason
But fun
sick sentinel
Do you pair it with anger management then?
steady spruce
you don't chose
sick sentinel
Instead bolster
steady spruce
oh the talent mb
white flower
is there any thunder clap glyph? I remember one that made a lightning fall down from the sky
steady spruce
i have always used Anger management so i'm not sure
strong forum
is there any thunder clap glyph? I remember one that made a lightning fall down ...
yes
exactly the one you mentioned
steady spruce
Oh my i totally forgot about glyphs, what are the great ones?
steady spruce
yeah
white flower
I'm also on the doubt about thunderlord vs the wall for mythic+, I don't do raids at all, just m+, but I've seen many top raider.io warriors using the wall
strong forum
i dont like the TC one
sweet summit
but THUNDER
sweet summit
cant even notice it its so insignificant 
strong forum
is great though
sweet summit
yeah i like that one
strong forum
10/10
amber herald
what's the heroic leap one do?
uneven mason
Its a must have
grave vine
Thug leap
white flower
what's the name of the TC one?
strong forum
and just go through all of em and see what sounds fun
hallow phoenix
I like the one that summons crows when you execute
nimble drift
Wait theres glyphs that change what your abilities look like?
hallow phoenix
And the one that sets you on fire when enraged
white flower
I'm having trouble looking for these glyphs, all my searches point to old wowpedia websites
hallow phoenix
Just go to the auction house...
white flower
nice, ty
civic dove
As venthyr prot I feel like my overall damage is pretty low
Averaging around 2400-2800 overall in 10+ keys
Is that abnormally low?
strong forum
no thats fine
civic dove
Yikes, VDH does nearly 1k DPs more than us overall
strong forum
2.5-3.5k is the average across the board for warri
strong forum
ravager doesnt worth with signet
also, ravager is the correct pick for m+ regardless of legendary
civic dove
I see
strong forum
im averaging like 3k dps in my keys
because of bolstering its obv lower cuz lmao kiting
civic dove
Yeah
Wish I was Kyrian or NF but I main arms and raid a lot
Also is viscera any good for prot?
The trinket
white flower
is there some in-depth discussion about thunderlord vs the wall for m+?
civic dove
Ty for info!
white flower
I can't find a final answer about this
strong forum
thunderlords is more dmg in m+, and more rage if you can maintain 3+ targets
the wall is more fluid rage gain and more access to SW
which is my personal preference
havent played thunderlords in a week, maybe ill give it a whirl again next week
unless i cant get good shoulders
white flower
can you cast SW every big pull with the wall? icy veins says the average cd goes to 60s
strong forum
average CD only goes to 60sec if you have the conduit + play AM
even without AM ive had it on a less than 2min CD iirc
incredibly fast either way
white flower
which conduit?
strong forum
the one that lowers SW CD by like ~30seconds
white flower
oooooh
digital nova
stalwart something or other
strong forum
once we have access to a 2nd endurance conduit ill slap that in again
but for now its spear + unnerving focus for me
steady spruce
Dragon roar could do great combo with signer as prot
strong forum
in what way
steady spruce
reck crit
strong forum
once they fix signet for prot (if they ever will) maybe
but for now signet is very bad
strong forum
no
its just more demo shout uses
thus more BV rage and bonus dmg
we dont have gamechanging legendaries
steady spruce
should we? ๐
digital nova
resto druid does too, some build defining leggos
strong forum
our legendaries are just scuffed versions of old anger management
basically a kick in the balls
but the +5 rage on SS from the wall is very ๐
uneven mason
Telling you, warrior class dev is a rogue who got butthurt over being beat in DPS all of BFA
steady spruce
and classic :p
uneven mason
I mean by prot
digital nova
worth dropping a 235 TL for a 190 wall?
digital nova
alright, good to know
cinder nova
That's a gimmie.
chilly brook
Shield is the most impactful piece of kit you can get
sweet summit
big shield=big pp
cinder nova
exactly
chilly brook
Especially considering defensive value is so important rn
Anything to get tanks feeling like less of paper is big
cinder nova
Yuh
winter ridge
struggling pretty hard to decide between my prot warrior and my veng dh on who i should gear more...they are both entry level in m+ and kyrian...wish i could just decide if i like jumping around everywhere or charging everywhere...
strong forum
i only borderline managed to level my DH
initially i wanted both dh and war up to speed
brisk reef
what does chad mean
strong forum
but i gave up on the DH real quick
molten wing
I just want to be sure I'm not wrong here, Versatility and Haste for Thunderlord in Mythics?
I've seen some people say Crit for the extra DPS and threat?
strong forum
both is fine
w/e you prefer
i have only like 9% crit right now
makes my dps many small PP ngl
molten wing
Hah. Fair.
sweet kayak
Hello guys, how many times can you battle ress in M+?
hardy fractal
7
amber herald
3 charges with a 10minute cd I thought
fallow mortar
does anyone have a pic of item priority for the base leggos?
undone sun
brisk reef
so the shittiest is the cloak
fallow mortar
ty thyme โค๏ธ
strong forum
So 6 br for 20 min?
No, you start with 1 combat res, and get 1 charge every 10 minutes
So for 20 minutes, you get 3 resses
Or wait
Was it 5 minutes
Fuck
sweet kayak
Ok thanks โค๏ธ
hallow phoenix
Should be every 10 nom
uneven mason
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_(slang)
OH my god, if you take away the BMW and law degree its like my biography!
I lived in the NW Burbs growing up, moved to Lincoln Park for a few years, and now I live in the NW burbs again
quartz mist
Hows the affixes for us this week? At work and havent logged in
uneven mason
I mean, its not that great of a neighborhood
at least the crappy part I was living in
maybe they gentrified it in the last 25 years
digital nova
Hows the affixes for us this week? At work and havent logged in
as griff succinctly put it, trash kicks your ass, then continue to do so when they die
strong forum
Hows the affixes for us this week? At work and havent logged in
Grievous, spiteful, fort
uneven mason
Grevious
strong forum
Not really fun affixes
uneven mason
when healers are already having throughput
quartz mist
Gross, looks likes im finishing a 10 and not playing the week
strong forum
14 you mean
strong forum
Make your own group and push ;)
quartz mist
Oh ive tried , nothing but shit players. Had a mage come in and pulled under me on a 11
quartz mist
Cheers
strong forum
Don't pug :^)
fallow mortar
but if you have no friends or guildies, what is left? D:
strong forum
getting some / one
woven trellis
whats the right order on 1st boss of ToP
cant find legit information
and how do u handle the shield, where do u switch while it takes off
hallow phoenix
Decapitator shield can be soothed. When Sathel or whats-the-name gets a shield we just swap to Decapitator until it's gone
We do Sathel > Decap > plague dude
Try to have all three stacked up. We do Decapitator second because he usually gets the most cleave on to him, otherwise we'd do plague caster second
jagged pier
woow hc sire is dead finally melee mongos and range mongos did mechanics \o/
undone sun
chilly brook
grand drum
holy shit spiteful is even worse than storming
grand drum
blizz give us spiteful storming fort all weeks
chilly brook
Not only do mobs fuck you when they're alive they continue to fuck you when they die
sweet summit
It targets tanks too? 
sweet summit
chilly brook
Interns
uneven mason
"know what would be funny, if we make mobs that one shot you if they catch you, that spawn from corpses, instantly, with no warning"
chilly brook
Who played ranged for the last 4 years and want to take it out on melee
grand drum
it would be better if they moved at a slower speed, and had a line connecting to you so you know they're targetting you
uneven mason
"Yeah ๐ Melee"
grand drum
andthey keep you in combat
chilly brook
Literally these had to be created by someone who was spiteful about melee being meta in m+ since it was released
uneven mason
yeah
chilly brook
Storming is so triggering on mechanic heavy bosses
Or when I try to leap to get out of a mechanic only to get hit by a storming and get fucked by the mechanic mid air
digital nova
wait a sec, they're the fucked up ghosts from sunken temple? that's the spiteful mechanic?
chilly brook
Yep
digital nova
wow, gj blizz
chilly brook
When we said we wanted more affixes this wasn't it chief
fossil summit
so what are the pros and cons of a prot warrior compared to other tanks?
uneven mason
๐ค
chilly brook
Stop caring about the pros and the cons
digital nova
pros: you get to play warrior
cons: mistakes punish you
fossil summit
well, google it is then, thanks anyways
uneven mason
What do you mean differences?
I mean, are you looking for a "we mitigate physical damage while afk better than a bear with Ironfur up"
We have extreme mobility and a lot of CDs
chilly brook
Google wont be helpful lmao
It's full of a bunch of bad takes from people who can't press buttons
fossil summit
im talking from DPS, to utility, to self-sustain both in ressources and health etc etc
uneven mason
no such thing as self sustain
chilly brook
Especially in SL
sweet summit
Great physical damage mitigation
Good damage
Good utility
Great movement
Low self healing
Mediocre legos/conduits
People think warrior is bad
chilly brook
Literally the only thing that matters rn in SL is if you stay alive and all tanks are fairly similar on that front
sweet summit
๐ณ
uneven mason
I love how the con is "People think warrior is bad"
digital nova
yeah the real pro & con list: best physical mitigation in the game, worse magic mitigation relative to other tanks, no self healing outside of victory rush and passively spending rage. warriors also stand to scale better thru the xpac but we'll see if that's actually true
chilly brook
Because they do
uneven mason
erm
nimble drift
So I'm upgrading The Wall right?
sweet summit
Sure
sweet summit
O i forgot onebig pro
nimble drift
sucks i can't tmog these legendaries
sweet summit
Spell reflect
steel mauve
spell reflect is outrageously good this expac
uneven mason
SR so stronk
chilly brook
So many mobs you can just spell reflect all the casts at the same time
fossil summit
in terms of skill cap, where does Prot Warrior stand? now I know dungeon/raid mechanics are more important for a tank than their own kits kinda but I'm assuming they're less braindead than Pally
steel mauve
usually its an after thought and just used as magic mit and a couple of cases of reflection/ignore, but theres so much shit we can ignore this time around
uneven mason
TFW you can stand in mechanics to keep the boss in place cause SR makes you not take debuffs.
uneven mason
in terms of skill cap, where does Prot Warrior stand? now I know dungeon/raid me...
GOtta have at least double digit brainwrinkles
sweet summit
One of the "harder" tanks to play
chilly brook
Below blood DK above the rest
uneven mason
We're 100% predictive
chilly brook
In terms of skill cap
steel mauve
a bad warrior stands out more than bad players of other specs
sweet summit
Imean all tanks are proactive
fossil summit
yeah I can see that with the defensives, we're more proactive than reactive
undone sun
i'd say more punishing rather than hard
digital nova
^
sweet summit
Thats the word, thank you
chilly brook
But blood DK is just punishing and requires so much effort for like no real good results
nimble drift
if you fuck up your active mitigation it'll be worse than if another tank did
fossil summit
ok, question I actually also have,
Should I even bind Whirlwind
sweet summit
No
nimble drift
no
undone sun
Imean all tanks are proactive
some just have varying degrees of such
chilly brook
if you fuck up your active mitigation it'll be worse than if another tank did
Eh I disagree blood is much more punishing
nimble drift
Theres 0 reason to ever WW over revenge
steel mauve
ya, imo (ive been maining warrior since bc except the last half of bfa) warrior isnt difficult to play, but its very punishing when you make a mistake
fossil summit
So its mostly just, Bash, Thunderclap, and Revenge for damage, also execute
sweet summit
And whatever covenant spell ypu have
fossil summit
yeah
red swallow
Devastator feels so weird to play with
fossil summit
my main threat gen tool I'm assuming is Thunderclap?
chilly brook
No
red swallow
Yeah not weird as in bad just odd
sweet summit
Revenge
chilly brook
Revenge
fossil summit
revenge? Oh, okay
sweet summit
Thunderclap is for rage gen mostly, very low damage
chilly brook
Revenge got the buff stick in SL
fossil summit
Heroic Throw I guess if somehow something starts chasing someone?
even tho I guess if I have to use it I already failed
sweet summit
For getting threat from range
chilly brook
It's a press this if not in range button
Or if kiting
To add insult to injury not only are you not playing the game but you're only getting below subpar damage for pressing a button
sweet summit
What
strong forum
It does 300 damagez
Heroic throw generates 4x threat, so if you combo it with taunt, it generates 16x threat
sweet summit
Close
uneven mason
Heroic throw generates 4x threat, so if you combo it with taunt, it generates 16...
I always do
jade axle
thunderlord on boots right
sweet summit
Ya
jade axle
cheers
strong forum
Taunt itself doesn't generate threat, you need to actually deal dmg to keep aggro, even if taunting
uneven mason
Heroic Throw I guess if somehow something starts chasing someone?
Prot tip that even some people don't know after being prot for months...years...
Heroic Leap resets the CD on taunt.
steel mauve
ya ive lept minimum distance just for another taunt before
chilly brook
I feel like I've done it more this xpac than ever
uneven mason
ya ive lept minimum distance just for another taunt before
Other side of mob so I Can yank one off the Warlock who couldn't resist going nuts the instant mobs were in range
chilly brook
Cuz pally cotank
leaden steeple
is there quest for 210piece this week?
winter ridge
Prot tip that even some people don't know after being prot for months...years......
Did not know that...thx
mild river
Guys, which pot should i use for packs in M+? and for single?
Like i have no idea lol
I mean dps pots
sweet summit
Strength only, cos im lazy and running out of key binds
sweet summit
Jk i dont even str pot ๐
woven trellis
Strength only, cos im lazy and running out of key binds
the real and honest answer
chilly brook
Finally found the song that I was looking for from cyberpunk
Well more specifically this one https://youtu.be/AGsjA1pXajk
This seems like good key music tbh
chilly brook
Lol so true
uneven mason
How I feel talking to my friends
chilly brook
Honestly the one thing that bothers me about the game
IS I HAVE A PHONE WHY CANT I LISTEN TO THE RADIO OUTSIDE OF THE CAR
uneven mason
hey those passive conversations
are hilarious
esp when you go up to clouds
those 2 dudes
chilly brook
I mean yes but like lemme have radios outside of the car like in fallout
uneven mason
quite the deep
chilly brook
uneven mason
<:weird:718676218500874320>
I see you know exactly what I speak of
chilly brook
Konpeki Plaza at the start has some...interesting conversations
strong forum
Should I get cyberblyat?
uneven mason
lots of japnaese references in CP, Its almost like they fused Johnny MNemonic with John Wick, tossed in a bit of Deus Ex
chilly brook
Do you expect a bug free experience or can you live with some funny bugs
chilly brook
You'd probably be fine
chilly brook
I've had relatively little issues
strong forum
Obv the 3080 can
uneven mason
and have 0 FPS dips
strong forum
I'm on 1080 for now
chilly brook
I'm running 5700 XT
Hey my man
uneven mason
its a beast
chilly brook
I'm running a Red Devil myself
chilly brook
I might sell and try and nab a new GPU
uneven mason
gonna be rough
chilly brook
Cuz the Red Devils are selling for like 500 rn lmao
uneven mason
its the lowest db 5700 XT
quiet as a mouse
I spun the Red Dragon up and I thought my case was gonna hover away
but it stays below 85c on the junction at 40%
which I can't hear
so solid cooler.
chilly brook
Tbh I've been really pleased with AMD
uneven mason
Small wonder - Bastion/Ardenweald push the card harder than CP2077 1440p @144hz
chilly brook
Their recording codex could be better but other than that I'm happy
uneven mason
they finally got their head out of hteir asses and hired someone who could clea up their drivers
was literally all that was holding htem back for years
was black screen crashes
strong forum
Isnt wow almost entirely CPU
strong forum
Really now
uneven mason
and if you turn off the bells and whistles
it'll run basically on the CPU
but if you turn it all up to 11
it will pound your GPU
uneven mason
ARdenweald has all that volumetric lighting that MSAA x8 does not like
fog effects and such
you won't have issues
it'll just dip your FPS
strong forum
AA is a trap if you're at 1440p tbh
chilly brook
I need to go to 1440p
strong forum
Ye it's great
uneven mason
I don't get FPS dips, I Just see my GPU use climb from 20% or so in Org to 99%
outside of SL my GPU isn't even sure I'm running a game
strong forum
Tru
uneven mason
but yeah if I had a 6k or a RTX card they even have Raytracing in SL zones
so that 3080 will have something to chew on
also, AA is not a trap, I can see quite a difference ><
but thats 37"
big screen, big pixels
chilly brook
I definitely feel like I'm at the edge of my competitiveness on 1080p
chilly brook
Some things I just can't make out at distance in games like siege
Cuz they just kinda jaggie together with stuff
Like if someone is in a darkly lit area it can be a pain if they're far away
chilly brook
I want a 1440p ulttawide 144hz
chilly brook
Trust me
Adobe is way better with an ultra wide
You dont get the benefits on multiple monitors
Plus it's even nice in wow
Makes for a really clean UI because you have so much space to work with
And dont get me started for FPS games
You actually gain a decent amount of FOV
They're just prohibitively expensive at higher refresh rates which is what's stopped me from buying one again
sand kestrel
Finally crafted the wall after getting it off of LFR yesterday. Hard to say why but I am liking it better than thunderbirds in dungeons.
dim cedar
Hello Guys, someone can help me?
sand kestrel
Maybe it's the extra rage from shield bash I guess
dim cedar
This trinket is a good for War Prot?
fallow mortar
yes?
dim cedar
Overwhelming Power Crystal ?
fallow mortar
it is crit on demand, what is not to like?
near quarry
Why are stam trinkets considered bad in SL? Just getting back into wow last xpac I played was wrath and stam trinkets were the shit back then
undone sun
very rarely does one need the minor amount of stam trinkets provide
stacking stam is only, and very rarely, necessary if you're getting one-shot (through mitigations)
chilly brook
Why are stam trinkets considered bad in SL? Just getting back into wow last xpa...
Stamina does you no favors, strength for example increases your damage and also increases your armor which is far more valuable than just having more health
More health doesnt mean anything if you just get hit hard
near quarry
Understood. Thanks guys
chilly brook
It's the difference between HP and EHP
digital nova
re video settings: turn down ground clutter and turn off multi-sample alpha test if you run 4xMSAA to make SL zones run better
the amount of grass make alpha blending super expensive when MSAA is on with alpha enabled
also if you have raytracing turned on, don't. not worth the FPS hit
vocal bison
just ran torgahst and 30 soul ash shy of my rank 4 ๐ฆ I'm kyrian too so gg on actually getting it from the mission table
digital nova
any quest turn ins left?
vocal bison
nope, did the thrall turn in
plush pagoda
hows stat prio looking seeing alot of haste>mast
steel mauve
ilvl>haste>vers>=crit>mastery
nova rover
The unbreakable will better than the wall?
steel mauve
no
stuck oriole
What % haste do you guys tend to cap it off at? 17 has felt pretty good
steel mauve
more haste is always better there isnt a capo
nova rover
so get the wall and then upgrade thunderlord?
digital nova
my understanding is that the wall is top leggo, with TL being slightly better with AM build for mythic +
nova rover
thanks
hallow phoenix
The wall works better with AM than TL does
steel mauve
they sort of do different things, the wall is smoother rage gen where as TL has "burst" rage gen
you still use bolster with TL
the wall makes AM better than with out it but bolster still competes
kind prairie
I've yet to get my wall. Really wanting to try it tho.
jagged pier
just go to lfr
night wadi
I just got The Wall and Thunderlord today, was really debating which one to go with
Although since I like to run AM, it seems like the wall would be better
fiery remnant
any tips for spiteful?
shut summit
Doesn't target tanks, just try to help out your group with stunning / snaring them
Can intervene a melee so they can stay in a little longer etc
If the initial fixate target dies it can target you tho, so be careful of that
strong forum
What % haste do you guys tend to cap it off at? 17 has felt pretty good
A number you can't reach :)
marble cipher
prot just generally does bad on the tanking dummy because of lack of sustain, right?
strong forum
I got up to quite nice stacks in pre-patch and bfa, but that's with abusing trinkets and stuff that heals me
astral crystal
never forget legion when we could beat the dummy
strong forum
But yes, warri itself isn't very good vs tanking dummy because we only slow down HP dropping
marble cipher
i can get to about 11 stacks right now, but it seems low
marble cipher
2 and half minutes about
strong forum
i got to 12
was just about to get LS and SW back up
so if i use shit abit better, prolly like 15 stacks
Raiding dummy right?
fringe marten
had to happen eventually; 220 shield from my 3rd slot of M+ choices... it was that or the base 200 gluttony spike trinket~ yeet.
marble cipher
yeah
fringe marten
Now only if I could get a weapon..ever.. been using the axe from mists M0 since day 4 of the expac. =\ breh..
marble cipher
im only at 202 though
strong forum
201
marble cipher
do you have any actual tanking trinkets? ive had terrible luck
marble cipher
decanter and darkmoon deck still
marble cipher
๐
lavish oracle
I don't know if it's just because I was pugging last week
but damn, keys feel easy af this week
strong forum
keys will feel easier every consecutive week
lavish oracle
it might also just be because spiteful does absolutely nothing to the tank, haha
strong forum
because gear, knowledge, maybe easier affixes
like keys on the tyra week felt way easier than on fort week
simply because i have like 20-30 ilvl more
and my group is starting to understand the dungeons
lavish oracle
I actually felt like the opposite but I think that's just because my groups were bad
fringe marten
I think that beating abom core got stealth nerfed quite a few days ago; I tossed it on like 2 nights ago in a M+ and the healing was pure dogshit. where as a day or two before it was quite strong.
strong forum
probably
fiery remnant
what healers pair well with prot warr?
fringe marten
Yeah I think it got slapped down without anyone saying anything; because for the first night or two I had it, it was potent healing.
lavish oracle
I'm not a fan of disc
strong forum
or rather, the best player will make the best healer*
disc is maybe the only one that is bad
because its a mitigation healer
fringe marten
Also it's very hard to know healer skill if you aren't intimately familiar with the class...all you know is 'well he was healing good?" so far though, I'm loving monks.
gilded token
hey guys i'm just looking the ladder from raider io. why all prot go Signet as leggo?
strong forum
because theyre main DPS specs
fringe marten
ITmask they're just trying to pump damage and then kite.
lavish oracle
They're raiding as arms
fringe marten
^ or that.
strong forum
no its literally that
theyre all arms mains
that have to tank in m+ for their guild
gilded token
oooh it is that simple ok XD
fringe marten
So this week it's either the choice of...me taking my wall shoulders to cap at rank 4, or getting rank 2 of Tstompers crafted.
fringe marten
What sucks is that I got heroic boots...and only 203 shoulders from a dungeon. so if I make thunder boots..i'm losing substantial ilevel on armor.
I've only gone all in on the wall shoulders, I'll prob just cap 'em I guess? eh.
eager flame
hey guys i'm just looking the ladder from raider io. why all prot go Signet as l...
Signet works perfect as prot - tons of free rage
aleast in m+
lavish oracle
I mean
gilded token
Signet works perfect as prot - tons of free rage
i'm scare of bladestorm in the wrong moment
fringe marten
Yeah but...I guess you HAVE to use the signet under the assumption you're going to bladestorm right? IE have everything popped and lined up and a fresh shield block..and then hit avatar?
strong forum
Signet works perfect as prot - tons of free rage
signet doesnt even work properly for prot
eager flame
i'm scare of bladestorm in the wrong moment
u still can ignore pain or shiled block in in bladestorm
strong forum
you get 1 bladestorm/reck for a few seconds once every 1.5min
not really great rage
at all
gilded token
atm i feel TL more consistent i love it
gilded token
i do only m+ not raiding
gilded token
rbg atm
strong forum
whatever fills your conquest bar and gets you rating
lavish oracle
I really like the Wall, the only issue I have with it is that sometimes when I'm just smashing a 6 or whatever, I forget to hit shield wall, haha
coral marsh
could venthyr be the best choice once draven soulbind is unlocked?
he looks extremely defensive
strong forum
no
coral marsh
why
strong forum
kyrian potion beats everything defensively
strong forum
the opportunity cost associated with losing everything kyrian offers for just draven is not worth it
lavish oracle
Phial purging all stacks of Grievous this week feels just right
gilded token
i will not trade the spear and the pot for nothing atm
strong forum
and the 3 billion other debuffs in the game
lavish oracle
Well, yeah
stuck oriole
Also phial purging infectious rain was clutch last week
coral marsh
i mean raiding
stuck oriole
Yeah still applies
Ads cant move extra knockdowns 20% of your health instantly cleanses
Raids have more cleanse or die debufs
Plus you want to be doing m+ for gear anyway
amber herald
Kleia soulbind any good? Seems to turn phial into a bit of a stoneform
lavish oracle
Eh, that's probably less true than it used to be, Boswell
stuck oriole
Go nightfae and get a free battle rez or like 30% of your max health over a long fight
coral marsh
atm im deciding what to do i am venthyr, but stopped taking raiding srsly because i hate guilds and am at 750 rio just with tanking
should i just go kyrian
strong forum
Kleia is fine yes, but hardly any situations where you can get rid of 2 mechanics back to back
Kyrian is bis for every raid tank
because of potion
Kyrian is even more bis in m+
amber herald
maybe just for plaguefall on high keys then
coral marsh
problem with kyrian is pelagos is also best for arms pvp so that is really aids
strong forum
because of spear dmg + potion abuse
hows that really aids
you have no conduits available rn anyway
coral marsh
have to switch all the time instead of just using a soulbind for each spec
stuck oriole
I think nightfae is close but its tough to beat potion. Ive been nf for a while but im dwarf so i have extra cleanse
strong forum
not really, just run prot conduits, they wont make a difference unless youre pushing for rank1
gear is FAR more important right now for pvp
than conduits
stuck oriole
True
lavish oracle
I can't imagine piercing verdict being bad in PvP anyways
strong forum
ye
strong forum
if you pick piercing verdict and stalwart guardian
you have 2 conduits that work on both specs
coral marsh
i think i will just go kyrian then i still havent crafted my first legendary
couldnt decide which
strong forum
going back to kleia, shes fine defensively, but currently she doesnt offer better conduit choice
good for you Arcti
thats a popularity chart
lavish oracle
representation has literally never meant anything, Arc
lavish oracle
Do you remember S1 BfA when everyone was playing Blood?
and it turned out it was fuckin' bad
eager flame
its pretty hard to find party in lfr, when everyone want DH you know Pepega
compact smelt
Blood did get nerfed though
strong forum
Public perception is in the gutter
and will be for a while
until big personalities hop onto different tanks
nothing new
coral marsh
prot is a ton weaker than dh in mythic+
lavish oracle
Yeah, the nerf was not enough to take it from like 80% representation in high keys to where it ended up
compact smelt
It was a pretty big nerf
strong forum
not really
patent cairn
Is Dragon Roar viable talent for m+ ?
strong forum
no
coral marsh
it was so shit imo especially with ip on gcd
chilly brook
thats about how 'good' prot in m+ right now
That literally says nothing about how good any of those specs are
lavish oracle
IP on GCD just felt awkward
chilly brook
it was so shit imo especially with ip on gcd
S1 BFA prot was good
It might not have "felt good" to you
amber herald
damn
strong forum
i still managed to do 17s and get CE in S1 before i stopped pushing
chilly brook
But that doesnt mean it wasn't good
strong forum
so it was aight ๐
amber herald
I've done +11's guess I'm an elite gamer now ๐
stuck oriole
I mean sure but in the top 20 right now theres like 3 prot warriors and only 1 prot pally
lavish oracle
Yeah, same, I was doing 16's/17s end of S1 BfA
stuck oriole
GRANTED theres 16 demon hunters
strong forum
nobody is pushing
lavish oracle
Everyone is raiding
chilly brook
S1 of BFA was literally out DPS your DPS while your healer complained about not having anything to do
strong forum
nobody of the real pushers is currently pushing, theyre all busy raiding for the next couple weeks/months
chilly brook
^
strong forum
the real M+ meta will form in months from now
now im not saying it wont be DH tank still
lavish oracle
The damage taken profiles in BfA dungeons were so skewed towards physical that IP on the GCD rarely made the difference between life and death
chilly brook
And it's so overtuned
strong forum
but there is a possibility itll be a completely different tank
lavish oracle
the real buff was being able to block ranged attacks
strong forum
possibly bear/brew/prot
chilly brook
the real buff was being able to block ranged attacks
100%
civic rover
i think were gonna see some big ass bears
amber herald
That naowhh guy plays a bear
chilly brook
And getting BoM just further solidified our DPS
lavish oracle
I've heard brew feels really squishy
civic rover
super competitive dps, very good mitigation, solid utility.
strong forum
ye brew is a worse pwar from what ive heard
amber herald
I've heard brew is 2nd favourite next to DH lol
civic rover
bear is what im playing in keys mostly atm, it feels bonkers.
lavish oracle
and because I want a DPS off spec I can play without being shit
strong forum
ye
chilly brook
VDH is a low key stomper
lavish oracle
VDH has always had problems scaling their survivability into high keys
civic rover
you can pull a lot and still take (relatively) minimal damage, incarn is stupidly good, you have good self sustain, you're naturally stupidly tanky, you have good group utility.
amber herald
gotta bind ironfur to scroll wheel or your fingers gonna drop off tho
strong forum
VDH has always had problems scaling their survivability into high keys
thats selfhealing tanks in general
BDK is by far the worst tank for m+ because of that
lavish oracle
Yeah, true
chilly brook
Inside of incarn you basically are invincible
8x stacks of ironfur and a really low CD on frenzied regen
civic rover
while thrashing every second
strong forum
BDK is by far the worst tank for m+ because of that
for the lurkers though, keep in mind thats by DESIGN not because the class is weak, having low mitigation just translates badly into high dmg intake
amber herald
yeah it's probably going to be bear
lavish oracle
is the crazy iron fur from a conduit?
amber herald
true
civic rover
nah it's from incarn/berserk
lavish oracle
Ah, okay
strong forum
well from a legendary.
civic rover
berserk is baseline incarn is a talent that makes it better
chilly brook
Incarn/berserk reduce the cost of ironfur pretty hard
strong forum
the barkskin legendary is what makes you a god
civic rover
yea and barkskin legendary is gnarly
lavish oracle
Yeah, I ran incarn in keys in Legion, shit was so much fun
civic rover
it's just so much uptime
amber herald
30seconds as well
lavish oracle
double thrash leggos, just sprint in and cleave for like 3 mil DPS
civic rover
you can constantly do big pulls and your healer won't have to worry too much
strong forum
is what makes bear omega tank
bear in general
just has NUTTY legendaries
i wish we had something like that for prot
civic rover
and i get to be green
lavish oracle
bear is my new alt
civic rover
mountain dew bear
civic rover
i think all the tanks are good as fuck tbh
strong forum
VDH is the new hot topic store that recently opened up that all the kids talk about
civic rover
big benefit for bears too is LFR drops the legendary so you can get it within 5 minutes of being high enough ilvl
deft vessel
quick gear recommendation - what would you wear?
strong forum
crit vers
civic rover
speed
cinder pasture
Gotta go fast
deft vessel
aye, I'll run a sim as well
civic rover
strong forum
and sim will prolly tell you mastery though
deft vessel
but feeling crit vers i think
strong forum
mastery sims stupid high for some reason
i cant explain why tbh
again, for the lurkers out there, thats why Darkee from Limit is enchanting and Socketing Mastery.
deft vessel
crit has no defensive benefit, mastery has a defensive benefit only if you block, and haste helps all the time more or less i suppose
strong forum
5socket chad here
deft vessel
vers as well
deft vessel
oh right ofc
sage cairn
if haste is go to why does panw keep telling me to dump my haste rings for versa
sage cairn
lol
steel mauve
Pawn is a worthless addon
strong forum
stat weights are an outdated system from BEFORE sims
sage cairn
everything i see is telling me that mastery is like worst spec
strong forum
delete pawn alltogether
deft vessel
patchwerk sim claims i lose 18 DPS with the crit vers bracers lul
what do folks sim for dungeon nowadays
hectic add cleave with 1 boss still?
strong forum
you dont sim dungeons
lavish oracle
All the secondaries after haste are pretty close
deft vessel
yeaaaaaaaaaaah okay AoE i guess
lavish oracle
I wouldn't worry about them too much, tbh
strong forum
simming dungeons is too complicated
you can sim patchwerk 5 targets 1min no lust
for aoe dmg
at best
steel mauve
You need to resim every single piece of gear you get to update pawn which when you sim every time defeats the purpose of using pawn
sage cairn
so really should be haste stacking that is it
lavish oracle
Yeah, I don't sim tank
lavish oracle
I don't have a DPS spec right now so my raidbots account is just wasting away D:
sage cairn
so mastery is really the worst right now how does that make sense over crit
deft vessel
yeah I think I'll wear the crti vers bracers, mastery be damned lol
deft vessel
I'm at 103% speed now! xD
chilly brook
strong forum
huge
strong forum
watch me get my 226 tomorrow
cinder frigate
Just came back after a 10ish yeah hiatus. Warrior for life here. MT for my guild and cranking through mythics and all that jazz. Decided to check out some tier lists on icy and see that warriors are basically at the bottom for all activities from a meta perspective. How long have we been like that? And how often does Blizz tinker with the meta... think this will last all XP?
lavish oracle
The tier lists are shit
deft vessel
das nice
lavish oracle
@cinder frigate a lot of the tier lists were written before the xpac even came out, basically just ignore them
strong forum
Just came back after a 10ish yeah hiatus. Warrior for life here. MT for my guild...
the icy veins tierlist is written by a DPS player
chilly brook
There were other things but ye
sage cairn
i can say from a healer perspective the only tank i dont want to see is dk lol
strong forum
and meta and tierlists are poorly portraying classes themselves
civic glade
So is there any guid out there you'd recommend?
strong forum
the ONLY thing i recommend in terms of class choice or w/e
is the video naowh made for m+
because he explains WHY prot warri is preceived so "badly"
lavish oracle
I think Growl's video was pretty good too
strong forum
didnt watch that
lavish oracle
he ranked prot warrior low but also mentioned that he basically hadn't played with any and that he had to just take other's word for it
strong forum
basically, early on in expansions, prot warri is among the lowest performing for tanks ( but still good enough for 99% of content ) because the lack of item level and haste
lavish oracle
our shield ilvl is actually huge
strong forum
once you start rolling in high ilvl gear, prot warri picks up in pace and power
moreso than other tanks
deft vessel
shield ilvl is mucho huge now that the block values mean so much for block overall
deft vessel
yeah
deft vessel
feels much better tbh, feels like an important upgade, to be excited for, and it also makes more sense
strong forum
swapping from a 190 to 220 shield made me legit not take dmg as long as i have block up
lavish oracle
even going from 184 to 200 felt absolutely huge
deft vessel
I went from 171 to 200, felt similarly
mighty valley
been saddled with a 190 shield for so long..... vault please......
lavish oracle
and it was realistically only like 2% less damage taken
strong forum
no
deft vessel
it's way more I think
and it only gets higher the more haste you have cus of higher shield block uptime
strong forum
my mitigation went from this
sage cairn
what two would you use
lavish oracle
That with overworld K-value or M+ K-value?
deft vessel
what two would you use
two what?
strong forum
That with overworld K-value or M+ K-value?
overworld
m+ has less K value than overworld
sage cairn
can i post 5 trinks to ask about
strong forum
sure
deft vessel
this is mine in oribos now
lavish oracle
I don't even know what the overwold k-value is, all I know is M+ is 2550
strong forum
overworld is 2455, m+ is 2450
sage cairn
deft vessel
yeah first 2
deft vessel
i'm not a big fan of anima emitter but haste is good
and i really don't like the bladedancer's kit
strong forum
anime is HUGE
deft vessel
cooldown is absurd
strong forum
Bladedancer is the worst trinket in the game
by miles
anime is id say one of the best trinkets in the game for prot warri
deft vessel
yeah anima emitter is great, I've just been stuck with dfiferent ilvls of it for a while now that I'd like something different and to not have to look for the field all the time
strong forum
well thats feelycraft
deft vessel
oh absolutely
not at all contesting it xD
still wearing mien
~20% uptime for me in my last dungeon which is frankly pretty abysmal, but it's late so that's my excuse
steel mauve
I find it hard to see different ground animations with it some times
sage cairn
so is leash hot garbage
strong forum
yes
steel mauve
Sucks when you need to move too
deft vessel
actually this seems sort of okay