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modern brook
or literally any time im not allowed to go forward cause i really gotta listen to the same dialogue for the 12th time
sweet summit
Love waiting for big smurfs with wings to carry me in spires
Very engaging content
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sweet summit
Eye see
chilly brook
sweet summit
crude dust
So I just finished my first raid, how can I now tell in the logs if I did a good job? Mitigated dmg %?
uneven mason
did you die?
gauging tank performance is problematic since its very situational
moment to moment
like did you use SB when you didn't need too (Intermission, not being melee'd etc...)
crude dust
Can you Potion/Stoneform the Carnage debuff from Denathrius?
shut summit
potion works, assume stoneform would too but can't say on that
chilly brook
Hi Sense
crude dust
Ok definitely need to remember that for the next time... 😅
chilly brook
👋
ionic fern
For DPS purposes sim yourself. :)
For a more generic/cheap purpose Celestial is solid.
smoky saffron
thank you!
orchid depot
Do we have any haste breakpoints as prot? Tried to find it on Icy veins but I have missed it?
ionic fern
There are non. 🙂
orchid depot
nice
mossy gazelle
Guys, does prot feel better with legendary and more hast?... I can't get into the spec...
I love arms, but sadly it is hard to get a inv in rnd m+ groups.. And I like tanking in m+
west cave
typically at the end of a dungeon run whats the split of healing on yourself between you and the healer? is 50/50 pretty much what you would expect?
mighty valley
Guys, does prot feel better with legendary and more hast?... I can't get into th...
what don't you like? the legendaries don't change the feel that much, mostly give you your cooldowns more often
mossy gazelle
It feels like clunky.. I liked the bfa clapper
I have the feeling I can't go big pulls like VDH or even monk..
@mighty valley do u understand what I mean? My English is really bad so idk
mighty valley
My mythic groups are all pretty target capped so I'm not doing huge pulls anyway, especially on bolstering week
but yeah, if you don't like the feel now, I don't think it'll change much for you
mossy gazelle
Do u don't feel like squishy? I miss the selfsustain..
mighty valley
you have to use your CDs well or you are super squishy
mossy gazelle
It's like low paced for me.. With the bfa traits, stats and stuff u. Were like a berserker
mighty valley
well I think everyone's feeling slower than they did at the end of bfa
mossy gazelle
Mbe I should gibe it another try
..
With arms and prot, focus on m+ and pvp, kyrian is the way to go right?
mighty valley
dunno about arms but kyrian is best right now for prot yeah
mossy gazelle
Okay was thinking about NF first
mossy gazelle
I don't like Venthyr very much... As prot I need my rage for CDs and as arms I want to press more then 1 button in 90% of the dungeon :D
red swallow
Condemn looks so cool but i dont wanna cuck myself.. also kyrian and NF both look so sick lmao
this too hard
pearl onyx
Hello, baby warrior here, what's the preferable slot for the m+ legendary Thunderlord?
leaden steeple
feet
pearl onyx
thank you good sir
mossy gazelle
I think I will go nightfae
It's looks super cool, sync well with war breaker and avatar CD, and in pvp the stun+stormbolt+aftershock KD is ridiculous
And single target wise it hits harder then kyrian
amber herald
does nf ability generate rage out of interest?
leaden steeple
anyone know if the sinful gladiator gear is covenant specific and lost upon switching covenants? already asked general but not many read it
limpid pawn
anyone soloing level 8 upper reaches as prot atm?
onyx geyser
hey guys, thunderlord vs the wall for raiding?
autumn narwhal
hey guys, thunderlord vs the wall for raiding?
Can someone pin the answer to the question? i feel like everytime i open this discord someone else is asking
onyx geyser
D:
onyx geyser
thank you
tall mural
Yes, I soloed upper reaches at 8.
limpid pawn
what ilevel?
tall mural
195+
autumn narwhal
They nerfed it - so its basically what a 6 was last week
ionic fern
anyone soloing level 8 upper reaches as prot atm?
I did.
Well, not atm but like..yesterday
tall mural
Just pick survivability first if you’re having trouble. There’s no way you die. Can add damage later. Kick, rotate cool downs, etc.
autumn narwhal
Just pick survivability first if you’re having trouble. There’s no way you die. ...
yes its all easy
if you pick wisely
strong forum
i soloed layer 8 at ... 190 i think
autumn narwhal
well done
strong forum
just adding to question
mossy gazelle
@amber herald yes it does
spare oracle
how important is vers ?
spare oracle
my friend is telling me that it super impotant on any tank
strong forum
no
spare oracle
is my 9% to low? haha im main arms
strong forum
^no
there is no "too low" amount of vers
only haste
and even then ilvl is more important
karmic seal
What's the best leggo for M+?
strong forum
both the wall and thunderlord are great
limpid pawn
thunderlord has more value for M+
mortal wave
i def think thunderlord is the best
limpid pawn
wall more value for raid
spare oracle
what uptime on shield wall and ignore pain should i shoot for
cause i feel like its a bit low rn 😦
strong forum
entirely situational
spare oracle
jesus tanking is complicated haha
strong forum
i have 50-60% uptime on IP depending on dungeon
SW is 100% situational
effective SB uptime is whats important
and knowing when you take what damage
fully knowing the dungeons and what to look out for
mortal wave
ignore pain is real good, but try to have shield block up if possible i think youll find that around 50-60% is melee
limpid pawn
how fare did you guys get in mythic?
strong forum
we're a fresh guild so only did shriekwing and then dipped to heroic
spare oracle
say for other side, seems its a lot of magic dmg
mortal wave
yeah certainly it is, but if you do a run in there use a dmg tracker to see how much melee youre still taking. still plenty of time to use ignore pain between SB cooldowns :D
mortal wave
Uh, not sure what that one is. I just use details
limpid pawn
just did mythic huntsman last night, it is extremely hard
mortal wave
it gives a graph of anything basically
spare oracle
so to reduce melee i primarily want to use sb right?
solar crown
That is the purpose of sb, yes
mortal wave
yep, and most of the damage you take is melee
solar crown
It blocks physical damage
spare oracle
then ignore pain is secondary if i have rage for it
leaden steeple
are conduits covenant specific aswell?
solar crown
If the damage is physical, yes, if its magical i would say no
mighty valley
most conduits are universal, a few are covenant specific
usually the ones that buff your covenant ability
solar crown
I just crawled through a +8 sanguine depths. Man, i hate tornadoes in tight spaces
And that dungeon is nothing but tight spaces
mighty valley
Get excited for Sanguine Sanguine Depths
solar crown
Cant wait
keen pulsar
Hello i got a question : Will the blame of the venthyr covenant be up soon? Or do i have to go kyrian :'(?
amber herald
what's blame of the venthyr?
red swallow
Condemn?
keen pulsar
The execution upgraded
y
i find that fun and interesting but so weak compared to the spear of the kyrian that give aoe damage + cc + the potion
so thats my question: do we know if its gonna be buffed in futher patch or not? :/
ionic fern
They can't freely buff it as these abilities are class wide and Fury/Arms are excelling with it.
keen pulsar
Hum i see
do you that i can be decent as a tank using condemn?
or it is a big waste
ionic fern
You can do most content with Condemn np. 🙂
A lot of warriors who raid as DPS tank m+ and they are all running Venthyr.
limpid pawn
on my war i can't see the 4 mythic dungeon quest
i never opened great vault b/c i didn't do m+ until this week on him
is that the reason?
keen pulsar
ty mwahi !
heavy sail
Condemn is awesome
mighty valley
Go with the hottest outfits
magic swan
Anyone have any recommendations lol
heavy sail
Using condemn hurts the soul when rage economy is pits
heavy sail
Kyrian feels really solid in all situations and having an on demand health potion that removes bleeds/poisons is amazing
But Kyrian is also extremely boring fantasy
mighty valley
Kyrian potion is the only thing I’m ever jealous of tbh
heavy sail
I’d say right now in terms of power it’s like
Kyrian > NF > > Venthyr > > > > > Necro
If you care about that
And I do hope they seriously buff Necro because it’s the best warrior class fantasy imo
magic swan
Yea necro feels awful. 3min cool down on that banner. Like why
lavish oracle
There's an argument for Kyrian >= NF, probably
but I only used it for a couple levels while leveling so /shrug
hallow phoenix
Last I checked Niya sims higher than any venthyr soulbind for prot patchwerk
In my group we chain aftershock and solar beam to completely shut down certain caster packs for about 20 seconds
Which isn't something that kyrian can do
tall mural
Kyrian feels like it has more instant "oh shit" potential to me. Between the potion and dropping the spear to kite.
hallow phoenix
Never liked the kiting argument for kyrian. Soul shape is an instant get out of jail free card and works on mobs that can't be CCed, which are usually the ones you want to kite
Such as the huge marauders or whatever they're called in DoS
tall mural
I don't care about me. I care about my DPS cleaving.
hallow phoenix
I'm also spoiled with ursols and treants so
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Night fae was the obvious choice in my comp
lavish oracle
You also have to hold mobs in aftershock to get full value which can be troublesome sometimes
hallow phoenix
Yeah jumping mobs are annoying for sure, but most of my AA usage is on casters which rarely jump
That one spewer mob in ToP is a great exception: jumps and has a nasty cast
spare oracle
are you able to enchant shields?
vocal bison
I rp that I can, but unfortunately I'm so strong that the enchant falls off every time I smash someone in the face with it. I miss my shield spike.
Luckily I have this ultra meta tank trinket called bladedancer that kind of does the same thing with a 5 min cd
dusty bridge
I’m new to mythic +s. Are the affixes next week decent to push?
lavish oracle
No one knows next week's affixes for sure
If you're new to M+, I would just run keys anyways, you'll want to learn how to deal with all the affixes anyways
graceful sundial
anyone have a good torghst build for prot?
dusty bridge
Oh my bad. I was mislead! Someone told me all affixes are already known. Thanks for the advice, I’m excited to keep pushing. Due to pugs I only run 5-7s to avoid storming haha
lavish oracle
@graceful sundial just build for single target damage mostly, the boss will be your biggest roadblock 90% of the time
I've seen some speculation on next week's affixes but literally every guess I've heard is a completely different set of affixes so they're not too trustworthy 😄
split wyvern
@graceful sundial Mwahi said this is what he uses for Torghast, you could try it out.
split wyvern
I think for Anima most people pick dps boosts animas
steady spruce
Just got our of a +9 ToP, damn that last boss wrecked us
It's hard to know when to use reflect correctly cause you can't use it on all the scythes
grand drum
I think it can be used on every other
arctic egret
what talents should I be going for tanking M+?
Unstoppable force vs ravager is where im most uncertain
hallow phoenix
Note the first damage tick of ravager takes about a second so you can Ravager -> charge + avatar + sb + clap -> whatever
Bolster is definitely the safer choice, yeah. The 15 seconds of block is proving vital in higher keys for me. Though I know some people run AM + the wall leggo for certain dungeons
arctic egret
I was about to ask what sort of leggo I should be looking to get
hallow phoenix
TGV or the wall
arctic egret
tgv?
sick sentinel
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/tankian here's what i did so far
hoping blizzard won't have a long ass delay on the game tomorrow, supposed to travel for holidays.
hallow phoenix
Thunder gods vigor, old name for the same legendary
The tclap demoshout one
I don't know what the actual name is
lavish oracle
@steady spruce I use it for the 2nd one and then every other
Usually catches most of the spooky overlaps
hallow phoenix
Ditto
lavish oracle
If it doesn't then I use like demo shout + Phial or SW to help
hallow phoenix
Seems to let you reflect when she's doing the pull thing
lavish oracle
Yeah, seemed pretty reliable
I think phasing her can make the timing a little awkward for 1 though
lavish oracle
They're both pretty competitive in M+, I think I prefer the Wall, though
Gotta make sure you're using shield wall and prioritizing shield slam as much as possible when you're using it, though
You should be doing both those things anyways but The Wall makes it extra mandatory
fiery remnant
any tips for bolstering?
nova vector
What is currently recommended for our leggo stats? Is it still haste/vers? Or haste/mastery? Something else?
Thanks
naive panther
I like wall with am. Especially for magic heavy dungeons.
steady spruce
@lavish oracle that's what i ended up doing but still hard to come up with a strat while doing a timer
fiery badge
I was having trouble today with the first boss in SoA and the snake trash
That DoT was ticking for 12-15k
daring hound
193 ilvl
Is that damage done okay>
I ran a quick heroic
that was one boss
am i like running horribly or what
lavish oracle
Seems pretty good unless I'm also doing something horribly wrong, haha
Usually like 1.6 to 2.2k ST depending on fight length and what talents I'm running
glacial skiff
does anyone know if wracking pain afects remornia on denathrius?
blissful imp
Been tanking since Wrath of the Lich King. Prot Warrior every expansion
these past two weeks
I'm not sure I want to do it anymore
These dungeons are brutal, and watching everyone else screw up mechanics when my only mechanic is "shield block when the boss does this ability" really wearing me down
daring hound
In aoe
shoguld we spam revenge for aoe
or hgonestly
just spam rage on ignore pain
and only use revenge on free proc
lavish oracle
Depends on how much damage you're taking
high folio
do the follower missions eventually start giving really nice rewards?
daring hound
sometimes i sit there for like 2 seconds aa'ing
high folio
like i remember in WoD you could get an herloom ring
cinder nova
As far as damaging intake, I don't have problems even when bolstering as long as I keep SB up.
kindred warren
If you’re the right covenant or else it’s shit
high folio
If you’re the right covenant or else it’s shit
im running night fae, did i luck out?
cinder nova
Lets me just keep going
lavish oracle
@daring hound your damage is going to vary a lot from pull to pull, mostly just get a sense of what your healer can handle and what packs your safe to just pump damage into
kindred warren
Nope
high folio
rip
kindred warren
Necro and kyrian I think have it easiest
lavish oracle
During mitigation downtime kite if you need to or call for an external if you need it
high folio
@daring hound yeah its really a judgment call, if heals can keep you up and youre not taking too much dmg you can get away w revenge dumping
kindred warren
Otherwise doing the soul ash mission as venthyr for example is always fail
cinder nova
Question - how are we supposed to kite? TC slow kinda sucks compared to other tank slows
HS?
kindred warren
Ham
cinder nova
I mean - I just leap after a point and keep running
cinder nova
Dragon Charge
kindred warren
Yeah
kindred warren
When was that a thing
daring hound
So what about downtime since I'm running devastator?
so i just sit there and AA
and thats my onl yoption?
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, pretty much
Leave a keybind empty and just mash it to make yourself feel better pretty much 😄
heavy sail
Generally want to save revenge for the free proc or when you need to pump out threat
Having pooled rage for IP/Shield Block is crucial
Because we get assblasted with no defensives
Less of an issue in M+ with thunderlords because rage becomes significantly easier to come by
lavish oracle
The Wall gives a lot of extra rage too
It's just more consistent instead of one big chunk
We're not exactly hurting for rage in M+ anyways
heavy sail
It’s better now than it was.
The threat buff was necessary
Before there was a legitimate concern about whether to get a bigger threat lead or use a defensive, right now it feels a lot more comfortable.
Early on there were a few times that some DPS stole aggro in the interim and died in .5 seconds before I could get it back.
lavish oracle
I dunno, I literally never had threat issues even before the threat buff unless there was like a fire mage absolutely popping off and I didn't have spear
But that's what challenging shout is for
heavy sail
I rarely had them as well but now it’s nonexistent.
So just feels tighter
Having spear helps loads
nimble drift
So doing Sire Denathrius. Should I set my loot spec to prot for the Sanguine vintage or Arms for Dreadfire Vessel
sand kestrel
I queue for raid finder expecting nothing but pain and misery but to my surprise only a couple wipes on huntsman and hungering destroyer and inerva were both downed without wipes
sick sentinel
i did lfr and got a legendary, so, that works for me
calm aspen
In the blockable/reflectable sheet, blockable refers to Shield Block right?
brisk flax
There is a higher tier prot warrior running venthyr with last stand runes and the Signet legendary for M+ that is top of leaderboards for M+ currently
just an interesting thing to see
sick sentinel
shield block, or bolster, if talented
brisk flax
Condemn gives dmg reduction from target
sick sentinel
i still stand by that condemn might be huge in +25 keys down the line
when group gunna need big dps
brisk flax
this guy is running +16s on time and shit with it
seems like it works pretty good
and he is running the Signet legendary
as prot
sick sentinel
cuz, you charge in, and avatar, and then you already got 1-2 condemns
brisk flax
Last Stand does with the right talents
stray sierra
ive had the worst luck getting shields, i'm 186 ilvl with a 131 shield... short of spending 90k on a boe shield
is there a quick way to get one? maybe similar to that 180 ilvl sword thing
stray sierra
i aint got 90k to be spending
calm aspen
@stray sierra spam pvp
brisk flax
PVP
wintry cradle
anyone got any quick prot tank tips for sludgefist?
stray sierra
😦
stray sierra
i have no idea how pvp gear works, how much does it cost and what ilvl is it
calm aspen
U can get it in a couple of hours
brisk flax
each step takes more honor
calm aspen
Of random bg
brisk flax
^
stray sierra
literally saw one drop for a paladin in a pug i asked to go prot spec for me
he got it and then couldnt trade it
stray sierra
same
lusty marsh
Where are my high key tanks at
I have questions
Mainly about rage usage
Do you dump secondary rage into keeping IP up or do you funnel it into revenge for shield bash resets
When pushing
ocean yoke
im pushing it into IP because trash slaps
lusty marsh
That's what I've been doing so far because my life is sacred
but idk if I was hindering by not adding as much to the aoe damage
Dead mobs do no damage and all that
just timed a 9 mists but the first area of mobs felt so scary.
daring hound
Yeah they hit so hard
lavish oracle
You can reflect soulsplit on those dudes
Helps a lot
Esp. on the 4 pack in front of the boss room
maiden ravine
I want to like prot warrior so much, but ugh
lavish oracle
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
maiden ravine
its mostly dps that make my life hell
so playing a tank without brez or decurse is painful
maiden ravine
Bear is my main, I like warrior thematically, and she was one of my mains in BfA
naive panther
Engi res sucks as a tank
fringe marten
So has anyone here changed cov's? A frost mage in my guild is almost literally crying over it, so I'm trying to assure him it's not that bad.
sweet summit
First time is very forgiving
You get renown from doing mythic dungeons and m+
You dont lose conduits
civic rover
i switched from necro to kyrian and caught up in like a week
peak lantern
Also your anima resets right ?
sick sentinel
got the spire haste trinket 190 ilvl
modern brook
life is actually agony
cinder nova
I personally go neither
versed bough
Fck
cinder nova
I take Unnerving Focus and Bolster
autumn jolt
@modern brook I was in the same boat. Shield NEVER dropped from any dungeon. Finally just used honor and got a 184 PvP shield
cinder nova
Just chug through high keys with mongo levels of SB uptime
LS and Rav going off together is a fuckload of rage
sick sentinel
i go with the one that increases rage while last stand and while spear of bastion up
modern brook
@versed bough sense and Mwahi (iirc) discussed this a while back
the effective difference is negligble between the two
sick sentinel
modern brook
IIRC; and u can ask sense yourself at his stream
sense prefers bv
but grain of salt going of memory
you can also probably just search the chat
fringe marten
So how many of the renown tokens do you need?
sick sentinel
Also UF doesn't alter Spear.
there is another one that increases rage gen while spear is up, very similar,
cinder nova
Piercing Verdict.
And it doesn't increase rage gen.
It increases the rage that the Spear generates.
fringe marten
So.. he wants to change tonight; and be ready for raid tomorrow.
Is that not realistic?
shrewd geode
If i want to tank can i use all of my 184 pvp gear? O.o
sweet summit
You can
sick sentinel
so don't use PV and use SoF instead?
sick sentinel
for m+?
sweet summit
Yes
sick sentinel
i'm running the wall and mostly haste, ravager bolster
nimble plover
lavish oracle
So do we just go 2 endurance conduits instead of double potency?
Maybe even finesse to get that sweet rallying cry conduit?
fallow mortar
im going triple endurance and one potency because Theotar 😄
lavish oracle
Honestly the ability after first finesse in pelagos seems pretty sweet
sick sentinel
yeah, and i'm reading now that thet trinket i got and am using has a chance to spawn circle that gives haste if i stand in it, doesn't straight up give hast and might decide to put it in a death circle
lavish oracle
It's got pretty solid uptime, it's not a bad trinket, tbh
fiery remnant
im getting declined so much as prot war ):
jagged pier
I have SD this week no chance im making a group XD
pale lotus
I read in here that prots are fine but I am venthyr bc I raid as arms and love to tank m+, having quite a rough time
I need to watch more streams and just get good
versed bough
hahahahaha Thats why I never did go vampire
cause execute in proc makes no sense to me
cerulean quest
Do we know affixes next week? Wowhead and myrhicplus are saying different ones
versed bough
prot*
sleek thorn
It's the deeeps
sweet summit
Do we know affixes next week? Wowhead and myrhicplus are saying different ones
Speculation on fortified spiteful grevious prideful
Idk im tanking as venthyr and i dont have any issues except when i fuck up :/
cerulean quest
Hmmmmm
sleek thorn
I don't face tank anything for very long.
sweet summit
As long as sb is up youre pretty save for the most part
pale lotus
I have to intervene/leap/door away for some packs
shadow fog
Tanked my first mythic this expansion. It was rough, but we pulled it off. Had to bang my head against the mechanics a few times but i think i can do this tanking thing.
sleek thorn
I got the 8 minute cheat death trinket from sun king. 
neat dirge
Bolstering or AM in M+?
fiery remnant
is it a good idea to use D shout to fill in the gaps in shield block?
restive solar
So how do we all like Prot? I’m leveling a warrior with hopes of being a tank but everyone keeps shitting on it in the forums
sweet summit
Bolstering or AM in M+?
AM low keys, bolster higher keys
sweet summit
is it a good idea to use D shout to fill in the gaps in shield block?
Just use demo shout on CD
Use shield wall/external to fill gaps
Dont be afraid to kite
fiery remnant
i feel like when i do that i run out of mitigation really fast
ok not fast but
enough to be noticable
lavish oracle
If you're running booming voice you definitely want to be using it on CD or you're foregoing a lot of rage
sweet summit
Youre not supposed to have 100% uptime on am as warrior
fiery remnant
kk ty
lavish oracle
Turns out shield block is very good so blizzard doesn't want us to have it up all the time 😄
fiery remnant
also when doing higher keys how often are you guys pressing revenge over ip?
open night
What lego are we crafting for prot?
lavish oracle
Depends on how high you mean, still pressing revenge over IP a fair bit in 9s and 10s, though
All depends on your damage intake
lavish oracle
@open night The Wall for raid, Tlords and the Wall are both good options in dungeons
fiery remnant
okie
vapid spindle
Yo guys. Prot warrior player and basically recent wow player here. joined up in bfa and recently did my first mythic (m0.) halls of atonement. I had someone helping me out with mechanics who was way overgeared for M0 so we mostly didn't have problems, but when it came to Echelon I was told to group up the little stone imps which I couldn't do at all. They'd just spawn, run in a tiny bit and start casting. I couldn't group them up at the center no matter what. Everyone just told me my aggro is bad and that's why ppl shouldn't warrior tank. They just blew through the boss with high DPS instead. So I ask you, how am I supposed to maintain aggro and center all the imps in that fight?
frosty scarab
The imps need some interrupts if your group isnt stacked together when they spawn. Aggro shouldnt be an issue if they are grouped up since you can slice them with 2x revenge and a thunder clap and prolly grasp them all. Using ravager on them is great aswell
fiery remnant
Not completely stacked in the middle
vapid spindle
6 imps spawn though, 3 on each side. I interrupted one which came to me and aoe taunted the rest which attacked me but they were still just casting. Also I don't use ravager, I use the demoralizing shout/thunder clap talents combo, is that worse? Am I just meant to tank on one side the imps spawn?
fiery remnant
Something like this looks good
They should be getting stunned and interrupted
Just have the boss in the middle when they spawn and move the boss a little to 1 side to get them close
vapid spindle
ok, then I need to coordinate group to interrupt/stun them so they run to me?
lavish oracle
Yeah, also warrior threat is fine
Playing with overgeared DPS is gonna be a rough threat situation for most tanks (stupid auto correct)
vapid spindle
yeah I honestly think ilvl played a role as well. I was ilvl 165 when doing this and there was a 213 hunter and 210~ mage
but still i couldnt group the imps up lol
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, that's a huge ilvl gap
fiery remnant
Sounds like they been playing with a pally haha
vapid spindle
I'm not trying to slande them on anything. They did help me learn mechanics after all and told me I did good, but prot warrior aggro was "just bad"
lavish oracle
They're misinformed, it's fine a lot of the community doesn't know shit about prot warrior
fiery remnant
@vapid spindle just watch some Vods on yt of good prot players do hoa and see how they do it
vapid spindle
any suggestions on who to watch?
smoky wave
but still i couldnt group the imps up lol
I think the imps only stop to cast once they've taken damage? Helps a lot of people don't hurt them until they're close
vapid spindle
@smoky wave I didn't know that. I don't remember too clearly if I hit them with clap or not but I had aggro on them since they were casting on me, might've been the AoE taunt. I'll keep that in mind, thanx!
lavish oracle
I think Sense has some YouTube videos up? Lightee's been tanking keys to gear his warrior for WF CN too, probably some vods of that from a week ago
smoky wave
@vapid spindle defo remember reading it somewhere. Probs tank notes. Could be wrong though
Yeah, sense is defo worth watching
fiery remnant
I mean feel free to find someone you like but Sense - Nurfed and Quazii are who I like to watch
vapid spindle
Nice, thanks for the suggestions
muted pendant
ok, then I need to coordinate group to interrupt/stun them so they run to me?
Tell your dps to not touch them because they will only stop and start casting when they get hit. If they’re not getting hit they will automatically run into the middle
fiery remnant
Always good to watch someone better then you do it and take notes
lavish oracle
A 50 ilvl gap last xpac would have been considered enormous, given that 3 ilvl now is worth about 5 ilvl last xpac, the gap between you and your DPS was more than a little crazy
Plus legendaries
vapid spindle
Yeah on some bosses I felt like I learned nothing tanking wise because how fast they'd blow the boss up 😛 the mage and hunter were in a "dps race" too
Thanks for the tips and suggestions though, that don't hit the imps before they group up thing seems especially clutch
jagged cipher
since the wall is only dropped in a raid, should you wait with crafting the legendary until you get it?
jagged pier
I mean you can go get it in lfr right now
limpid burrow
is darkmoon trinket any good?
jagged pier
the str haste one is
steel mauve
the dps darkmoon is good for dps, but the indom tanking one is trash
muted pendant
Anyone played SoA, PF, NW with the nerfs today?
native coyote
didn't notice much of a nerf in SoA
maybe there was less Crescendos now that I think of it ...and that's nice
fallow mortar
PF was noticeable. being able to kick the webs helps that section quite a bit
lavish oracle
Hm, SoA nerfs looked the biggest, just looking over the patch notes, I guess left side wasn't affected as much
but less praetor and goliath health is huge for right side
cerulean quest
Glad they fixed the bugs in ToP boss with the hands / souls
lavish oracle
Yeah, wiped 2 of my groups this week on that boss
cerulean quest
Yep we failed a timer yday because of it
velvet knot
I have Pulsating Stoneheart, Viscera of Coalsced hatred, and Slimey consumptive organ all at high ilvl
Which 2 should i use?
I've been using the latter two but just got stoneheart
Stoneheart and viscera for more dps? (m+)
loud mural
I looked over the resource tab, but couldn't find anything like it. Is there a page somewhere with 'routes' for all the M+ dungeons?
maiden ravine
so, I guess I'm grinding 1400 rating tomorrow haha
Get myself a 207 weapon and shield
loud mural
ty ty
inland yarrow
Just swapped to tanking in m+ and wondering how much easier tank legendary will make it? 10+ I can tank just fine, but anything higher feels hard at times
ionic fern
Both The Wall and Thunderlords provide a significant defensive benefits
That said you shouldn't be struggling on 10+ keys without them. There are plenty of people tanking keys higher than that with Signet.
scenic cypress
who doesnt love bladestorming when you avatar?
sweet summit
sweet summit
Ya im that idiot sometimes :/
velvet knot
Tbf you dont have to half the time as a tank
90% of tank mechanics are press taunt at x number of stacks repeat
ionic fern
Oh, no argument there. It's just that mechanics are bland and repetative.
sweet summit
Nuke nyalotha
velvet knot
mfw ilgynoth is just kin'garoth from antorus reskinned (literally same model and mechanics)
ionic fern
Nuke raiding and just let me gear properly through m+ please.
sweet summit
No 
maiden ravine
Just go pvp, haha
I'll probably get a weapon and a shield this week and try to get 1400
mental scarab
Yea need to have a frend boost me in arena
maiden ravine
I mean tanking would be so much easier with a 207 weapon and shield
narrow karma
Just starting m0... is there a place that is ran a ton because it’s easy kinda like atal’dazar was always ran?
maiden ravine
Mists
ionic fern
Halls is also kinda easy.
maiden ravine
3 boss dungeon, relatively easy mechanics
narrow karma
Thank you. I’ve done plaguefall but necrotic wake was a mess
maiden ravine
Sanguine depths and theater of pain get ran cause of their anima quests for fresh chars
None of the m0s are impossible though with vendor gear
Crafted, not vendor, sorry
zenith monolith
what talents ?
strong forum
bolster rav
maiden ravine
Looking forward to doing more this week
zenith monolith
yea thought so, gz
strong forum
who says its grievous
sweet summit
fortified grevious spiteful, mark my words 
strong forum
yes it is
flint cliff
Guys, i'm in a race-covenant-crisis😫 : My warr is orc and i'm kyrian, but i REALLY hate this combination! This paladin-bubble-boy-covenant-theme doesnt match to an orc imo. Everytime i log on and i'm in bastion in my warrior wrathful set i'm about to log off directly. HELP MEEEEE😩
flint cliff
nope
flint cliff
venthyr or necrolord, but condemn obviously is much better than banner
cold dragon
just go for it
cold dragon
saw some prot warriors running the leggo from generals. do they just hope for fury buff for extra rage gen?
cold dragon
but locks you from defensive skills
uneven mason
no
cold dragon
if you still spinnin
uneven mason
you can use all defensive skills
cold dragon
ooooh
sweet summit
its just cos they main arms and dont want to waste SA on another lego
flint cliff
i was several times in oribos at the verthry covenant npc but couldn't perform the change. something was always holding me back. everytime i'm on my way home i'm telling me "next time you log on, just DO IT" but....🤣
uneven mason
PSA: Demo Shout even with BV is a defensive skill
get that avatar + Bladestorm + 20% damage done
uneven mason
its just cos they main arms and dont want to waste SA on another lego
This is the answer.
flint cliff
fuk it. next time i'll just do it😇
uneven mason
i was several times in oribos at the verthry covenant npc but couldn't perform t...
Go Venthyr if you're not doing CE content
Door of Shadows has a CC
AE Disorient around where you land, I use it for caster packs
ranged interrupt then charge back to my main target.
or LOS
flint cliff
@uneven mason Thats a good point. havent thought about this
uneven mason
also
royal marten
wtb gag order back pst
uneven mason
Venthyr has big balls Haste buff
uneven mason
wtb gag order back pst
I want Disrupting shout back
royal marten
Prot having the legion SR would be cool too. Full reflect for a few seconds versus just one spell. Just something to help deal with casting mobs, after playing tanks with reliable anti ranged skills its rough coming back
misty moat
hey guys, i've got 2 rings same ilvl but different stats and i need help with choosing one
ring 1 has : 123 haste and 49 mastery
ring 2 has : 126 versatility, 46 mastery and 29 avoidance
any opinions would be much appreciated
sweet summit
the haste one
misty moat
2% avoidance tho ><
royal marten
Going fast > going slow
modern brook
Guys, i'm in a race-covenant-crisis😫 : My warr is orc and i'm kyrian, but i RE...
consider that bastion is literally skyhold palette swapped to blue
pale lotus
Dumb question. When you are bladestorming can you still block/parry?
strong forum
yes
pale lotus
Since you’re technically spinning
modern brook
"technically"
misty moat
well thanks for the input 😛
royal marten
Spin the camera at the same time for full immersion
sweet summit
^
pale lotus
Cool cool. And to add on - haste is straight up king?
modern brook
ilvl is king
pale lotus
Because vers benefit is so little?
half sapphire
Hello night fae warrior here; I see a lot of warriors on logs/M+ advice running ancient revebrations. I feel the CD reduction is a bit wasted given you want to combo it with demoshout/avatar, but I do also understand that the inc dmg stacks with said dps cds. Is there some build I am not understanding where everything gets put on a 75 sec timer with t-lords/anger managment?
heavy sail
all things being equal haste is best
Current state of the game though just get as many secondary stats as possible through ilvl
Item upgrades are tough to come by
pale lotus
Appreciate the feedback as always. Have a great day gentlewars
modern brook
Hello night fae warrior here; I see a lot of warriors on logs/M+ advice running ...
I'm assuming ancient revebrations is the conduit that makes the nfae ability better
you use it cause prot warrior potencies are dog
half sapphire
Hmm okay; cause i rly like the gameplay of 45 sec cds with rav/demo/avatar, but I thought I might be missing something given that some players are simply waiting an extra 15 sec to combo with aftershock or use as cc rather than a dps tool
modern brook
you just dump it on cooldown
cdr lets you do it more
if you want to keep it lined up; you can uhhh run lol show of force
half sapphire
true, question for line reasons; what does demo shout cd look like ST running t-lords and unstopable force and anger managment?
guess I could go hti a dummy and find out huh, as long as the clap isn't too thick to aoe
actually when I think about it, thats a sutpid question, why gimp myself ST with t-lords.
uneven mason
actually when I think about it, thats a sutpid question, why gimp myself ST with...
UF is 🤮
modern brook
AM also doesnt reduce Demo anymore
half sapphire
I haven't tested it out ever since I got the wall; ravager demo shout has that brand new fancy paint I wanted out of warrior after BFA's t-clap spam
modern brook
Yeah Wall + conduit + AM makes for some crazy low sw cd timers
uneven mason
wall is also strong RPS
modern brook
also true
uneven mason
adds 5 to shield slam, folks tend to over look that.
for raiding, that extra 5 on SS may very well make ITF worthwhile
due to higher resets
but Ravager so fun
half sapphire
All ik is that wall + AM tends to make cds line up to 45 sec (including avatar), I am curious if there is a UF/t-lords/AM build that can make a 25-30 sec build to line up ancient reverb. Maybe in M+, but prob not for ST fights
heavy sail
Thunderlords on single target hugely diminishes the value, even assuming full AoE it’s only marginally better than wall
tardy parcel
ITF is worthwhile in raid lol
uneven mason
All ik is that wall + AM tends to make cds line up to 45 sec (including avatar),...
whats UF got to do with it?
Its counter to AM, TC is a rage producer, but costs GCDs.
(Meaning you are not spending as much as you could be)
ionic fern
UF = more TC = lower DS CD with Tlord i guess.
uneven mason
I suppose
Oh I thought he was talking about TWall
Yeah UF + TGV could have a very frequent Demo, ot quite what we had in BFA
but it would be up very reliably
even ST
but still 
half sapphire
my brain understands I prob stick with spinny boi, what would really sell me forever on ravager is if signet worked with prot ravager prot
Would be all the fun of arms warrior but without having to worry about the dps
uneven mason
Would be all the fun of arms warrior but without having to worry about the dps
We're warrior, we DPS even with shield.
leaden steeple
anyone know if the pvp armor is covenant specific and lost upon switching covenants? given they all have different style for them but the same name (or same-ish)
smoky saffron
What are some go to trinkets for prot?
turbid cargo
pvp trinket(s) with haste and a str proc
uneven mason
Darkmoon card is a cheap alternative while you work on that.
at its peak its ok
at its low end, its well, the low end.
smoky saffron
So the spires trinket is well worth it?
uneven mason
What are some go to trinkets for prot?
Vial too
turbid cargo
@smoky saffron the one that procs a pool that you stand in for haste? it's good on low-movement stuff
smoky saffron
Alright so anything +haste and str thanks!
uncut citrus
The Stone legion trinket is good enough?
dawn gate
hallo, new to prot warrior here.
i was wondering which legendary is the best overall. Thunderlord or The Wall, would like to hear your opinion because I can't make the choice at the moment 🙂
turbid cargo
I use wall for everything because it's good for everything
ionic fern
hallo, new to prot warrior here.
i was wondering which legendary is the best ov...
Craft which ever - you will get the second one soon enough.
heavy sail
Route I’m taking is to get thunder first for the better M+ use
But then prioritize getting wall and unbreakable
Then upgrade whichever slot has the most need
Would you rather have +5 rage pumped into your normal rotation or a 40% uptime damage/DR cool down that gives a one time rage boost? It’s ultimately close enough and you’ll get both so it’s not really important
uneven mason
hallo, new to prot warrior here.
i was wondering which legendary is the best ov...
The Wall is strongest for raiding, TGV is strongest for M+
TGV provides a substantial DPS boost combined with BV, TW provides higher RPS and a more reliable access to your strongest DR CD.
placid oar
what is RPS btw?
uneven mason
GL with your caches later warriors
Last week I got 3 cloaks (Vers mast all of them) 2 legs (I was main fury, so my lego was my leg slot) and a ring lower ilvl than what I had.
Not too hopeful on the "great vault"
placid oar
Last week I got 3 cloaks (Vers mast all of them) 2 legs (I was main fury, so my ...
it will get better, we be positive!
heavy sail
My prot warrior has mastery out the fucking ass
uneven mason
with PVP weapons
uneven mason
you'll gain a higher % of mastery than other stats, because mastery for prot warriors is a high return per point.
uneven mason
I'm opening my with arms spec this week
Yup, my arms weapon is that 2h from Maldraxx that you find in the dirt.
heavy sail
Mastery isn’t bad to have obviously, not complaining about having a high secondary
Just need some more haste in my life
uneven mason
focus ilvl, it'll come!
wicked lantern
In DoS while fighting Mueh'zala, are you gamers using spell reflect for Soulcrusher or Master of Death?
uneven mason
"Fun Detected"
wicked lantern
I'm trying to figure out which ability is better to use Spell Reflect for to prevent damage
heavy sail
Isn’t master of death the arm mechanic?
wicked lantern
ye
half sapphire
Color me confused; yeah why master of death>
heavy sail
Just avoid it
neat root
Keep your healer on their toes and don't use it at all.
wicked lantern
you have to take the middle slam from what i understand
half sapphire
muzeleh stops attacking during the entire duration
and then gives you a sec or two to start after the combo is over
neat root
Ye you gotta stay in melee range, but you can step out of the way for the slams
neat root
I dunno but ive moved out of every slam, even the front one and its done nothing to the group.
half sapphire
^
wicked lantern
says there is a "soft enrage" if no one is in melee range for the slam
neat root
Must be really soft then
wicked lantern
hahaha
heavy sail
There’s a grace period before he enrages that’s honestly really charitable.
tardy parcel
yeah i have always just dodged every master of death maneuver
never impacted anything
heavy sail
I’ve always dodged it no problem no enrage
So yeah that info is probably not exactly accurate
wicked lantern
ight well that answers my question then, use spell reflect for Soulcrasher. EZ.
thanks friends
wicked lantern
you prevent the DoT
half sapphire
it is physical but SR-able
heavy sail
Oh right
half sapphire
Reminds me a lot of that stupid helya tentacle in Maw. Did not know for nearly half the ex-pac I could SR it until I failed a +14 not knowing that trick
wicked lantern
i messed up and read all the soulbind abilities for Kyrian and think i may swap today 😦
wicked lantern
kyrian are better for prot than the vampie bois tho
neat root
Yes
heavy sail
Yes
neat root
spear is much better
wicked lantern
venthyr aint doing shot for me bruh, i sad
im trying to be loyal to the vamps but they do not make it easy
neat root
If you pvp at all spear is really fun in pvp too
half sapphire
I started venthyr thinking it would be fun for ST dmg in raids. It just made taunt swaps very hard instead.
heavy sail
Venthyr is pretty good if not the best option if your sole goal was progression raiding where AoE is pretty much no object.
mortal carbon
hi guys i got a question about Arcane Lightning in the other side
when i sr it what happens?
heavy sail
In any other circumstance though it’s mediocre
wicked lantern
hi guys i got a question about Arcane Lightning in the other side
when i sr it w...
thats a good question.
ionic fern
Nothing happens.
uneven mason
hi guys i got a question about Arcane Lightning in the other side
when i sr it w...
literally first pin
is reflect guide
wicked lantern
do the dot spot jumping around tho?
ionic fern
No.
heavy sail
Actually you know what nah, the DPS increase in raid is probably not as valuable as a 20% heal that removes stat effects
No situation where venthyr is better
Unless you like being an emo vampire boi
Then have at it
wicked lantern
use SR on explosive contrivance so when your DPS step on the portals as they are spawning they will still have one to use lol
half sapphire
Interestingly enough for venthyr; I found out top io prot warrior is a venthyr. Was very suprised
heavy sail
Correct
Yeah my assumption with venthyr tanks is always that they tank part time
Because it doesn’t make much sense otherwise
strong forum
Si
That's the majority of cases
Same as venthyr in pvp
They pve dps mainly, hence they're venthyr
heavy sail
Or they’re afraid of sunlight
warm plinth
Who is updating the reflect thing in the pins?
half sapphire
Just opend vault; its always better to go armor upgrade instead of ring or neck yeah?
acoustic stratus
is the organ trink shit
half sapphire
More armor, more STR. I'm talking 220 ring vs. 213 socket helm, both replacing 184s
mortal carbon
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ofc i checked it and thanks @ionic fern for pointing out what my actual question was
neat root
Big 2 hand nice
uneven mason
AFE tbh
open monolith
184 haste vers pants currently, and using 200 kaelthas trinket and 171 hakkar
open monolith
man i'd use a fucking 155 hakkar
if anything i'd be replacing the kaelthas trinket
not the hakkar trinket
neat root
I'de go pants but im a dummy
wicked lantern
220 haste/verse weapon in the box, ye boiii
heavy sail
Anima field emitter is probably a stronger upgrade then
But dropping trinkets is painful
Do whatever your heart says friend
strong forum
guys what do I do
You can get 210 anime from m+
But you can't get 220 from anywhere but mythic raid, vault or pvp
open monolith
184 -> 220 PANTS vs 200 Kael'thas / 171 HAkkar -> 216 anima field
tardy parcel
200->207 shield, or 194->216 ring?
strong forum
Shield
heavy sail
That’s a good rationale
tardy parcel
what's the math on DR for shields again?
strong forum
what's the math on DR for shields again?
no need to math it out
well technically you can pick the ring
since you cant get higher than 210 from spamming
tardy parcel
fair enough
mellow patio
what's the math on DR for shields again?
Block/(block+K) but always take shield cause they’re tough
strong forum
but thats also assuming you can spam +12s for 207 shields
tardy parcel
my fear is running raid tonight and getting the 213 shield lmao
for context it's the apogee from raid, not any shield from a dungeon
mellow patio
I don’t count on raid drops
tardy parcel
aye
strong forum
from playing arena
tardy parcel
I don’t count on raid drops
fair. appreciate the help, all
heavy sail
The conquest PvP shield is dope
strong forum
we timed top 13 yesterday, but the run is still not showing up on rio
my 20 score bro
tardy parcel
lol
open monolith
sooo im falling in an infinite white void
sick sentinel
trying to log in but not much luck
open monolith
how long does this happen
smoky saffron
boys i dont know what to pick
sick sentinel
IM IN
quick elk
Does any macro shield block and thunder clap together? Or the risk of
strong forum
thats a very bad thing to do
you dont just wanna waste shieldblock everytime you thunderclap
that can get you killed really quickly
quick elk
It’s more when I shield block I will always thunder clap
strong forum
still a bad thing to do
heavy sail
But like
strong forum
it grants you nothing
strong forum
macroing abilities together just isnt a thing anymore in wow
quick elk
I miss thunder claps , so thought it would help me use it more
strong forum
its almost never a good thing
steel mauve
about 99% of the time "lazy macros" will be entirely inefficient
strong forum
^
cerulean quest
Although
Maybe wrongly
In arms I do errmmm
Sharpen... thing and MS
(You can see how much I play arms)
Probably bad for pvp but meeeh
vapid spindle
My shield is garbo, do you have to do rated pvp for the shield or does casual get you anything?
vapid spindle
Not big on pvp, how do you get conquest? Just play the mode?
steel mauve
higher ilvl does need rating though
heavy sail
I did 2rbgs and had enough conquest to buy the shield
strong forum
0 rating will get you a 200 ilvl already, 1400 is 207, 1600 is 213, 1800 is 220
steel mauve
daily wins, there is a weekly quest in oribos, 2 of them, and when its bg weekend
cerulean quest
Do the pvp quests, and win some BGs yeah. Epic ones give more I think.
strong forum
you can get away with only doing the pvp quests, and daily BG, Epic BG, Arena Skirmish win
heavy sail
Yup
heavy sail
Fairly easy
cerulean quest
Yeah I just did it for the 200 shield. I need to get a rating 1400+ at least but
vapid spindle
Ok, I’ll try lmao. Probably going to be diff tho since I don’t pvp. Are tanks even decent in pvp?
heavy sail
Don’t even need to do much in the way of actual PVP
cerulean quest
I can’t be bothered to sort out my arms stuff for arena yet
strong forum
tanks dont belong in rated pvp
vapid spindle
Or did u guys swap to arms?
heavy sail
Tanks are for holding mobs
cerulean quest
ALTHOUGH
heavy sail
Not PVP
strong forum
no im not a cunt
uneven mason
they neuter our tankyness
cerulean quest
It’s actually kinda fun. You can get 1.4K with that
heavy sail
You survive long enough to lose in 40 seconds instead of 15
uneven mason
you have better options as arms in PVP
strong forum
You survive long enough to lose in 40 seconds instead of 15
this
cerulean quest
Nah you can get 1.4K easily
sick sentinel
these are the options i have and my armory
heavy sail
You can get 1.4K literally asleep at the keyboard
neat root
It's so tilt the spear conduit upgrade is locked behind world boss.
uneven mason
You're still better off doing it as arms
worn bear
1400 is nothing
uneven mason
🤷♂️
cerulean quest
Exactly and that’s a 207 shield.
uneven mason
Arms is stronk in PVP atm
worn bear
why you’d run prot when arms is as good as it is in arena is questionable
sick sentinel
should i go for the shield or the chest?
cerulean quest
If you cba to set up arms properly, it’s super easy to just grab that as prot
vapid spindle
Welp. I’m going to see how well I can do in PvP with sorrowbane and the rest of my gear as protection specced into arms then
uneven mason
why you’d run prot when arms is as good as it is in arena is questionable
I do Prot in Epic BGs that have those long drop offs
Dragon Charge
and Menace
worn bear
leaper prot🤔
heavy sail
Everybody gangsta until the unholy DK queues up
uneven mason
"YOU SHALL NOT PASS!"
strong forum
@sick sentinel id pick the shield given you arent reliably spamming higher keys
uneven mason
True story - I muder the snot out of UDK as Arms
just gotta hit em hard
and get that SR up
they don't expect it
heavy sail
I get my shit pushed in by pretty much everything 1v1 because arms has weak defensives