protection

[open monolith]

equip it.

[deft vessel]

I know

I said tempted

and i still will, and won't like it

but QQ

my haste

with the last few upgrades of mine I'm at 18.88% haste with 30 haste food, which is okay I suppose

used to be at like 22% haste a few ugprades ago

stats not too bad in general

[grand drum]

I went from 16% to 9% haste after getting 4 item upgrades. I feel you

[muted pendant]

I feel you - because of upgrades I dont have haste on Shoudlers, back, chest, 1 ring and shield anymore

😭

[deft vessel]

aye, I feel like it's heavier with the stat squish for some reason

even though it's a pretty normal thing of early season gearing I suppose

while item level upgrades are still more plentiful

[open monolith]

I won't tell you my haste

it will only make you sad

[dense pivot]

lol

[deft vessel]

xD

[dense pivot]

sock fast

[open monolith]

eventually I will start getting ilvl upgrades without haste

and I, too, will be slow

but for now, I am Sanic

[muted pendant]

whats ur CD on SB w/o bufffood?

[open monolith]

idk

not something i've committed to memory

probably like, 12 or 13 seconds

[deft vessel]

my tooltip says 14s

[muted pendant]

dito

17%

[thin surge]

Why are you prioritizing haste instead of mastery with the haste trinket?

[sweet summit]

because haste is the best defensive secondary stat

with no reachable cap

[thin surge]

Based on what?

[sweet summit]

what

[astral crystal]

🚫 🧢

[thin surge]

Your main defensive is SB, mastery directly affects SB. With haste trinket, it makes sense to stack mastery instead?

[strong forum]

mastery doesnt affect SB greatly

it increases your chance on crit blocks

[thin surge]

I was stacking haste the first week and struggling. Switched to mastery stack with haste trinket and I´m doing 3x better. I also notice a lot of progression prots are stacking mastery instead of haste?

[strong forum]

theres just a ton of mastery gear.

like not even funny amounts of mastery gear

and you pick highest ilvl

defensively haste is 10x better than mastery

[open monolith]

bro you're doing better this week

because it isn't fortified

[strong forum]

^

[open monolith]

not because you started stacking mastery

[thin surge]

The haste proc trinket (one you stand inside, cant remember name) allows you to stack mastery though

[sweet summit]

anime field

[thin surge]

yeah that one

[ionic fern]

What

[sweet summit]

but thats not how it works tho

[strong forum]

you dont get enough amount of haste

to skip out on stacking haste

[thin surge]

What´s enough?

[open monolith]

160%

[strong forum]

106%

[ionic fern]

[open monolith]

p sure it's 160

fix your typo nome

[jagged pier]

thats hard cap

soft cap is 106

[open monolith]

yeah that makes sense

nome is pretty soft

and I'm super hard

so

that

came out more weird

than I had intended

[feral gulch]

bruh if you're lucky enough to get 12s sb recharge, you should be laughing

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/Ma0DkqR.png

😦

[open monolith]

I have 25% haste

p sure mine says 12 sec recharge.

need to check when I get home

[strong forum]

ye 25% is 12sec~ish

[ionic fern]

I got ..13% haste.

[feral gulch]

i only have 14 feelsbad

[open monolith]

I mean I'm only 196 equipped

so I'm sure my luck will take a turn of the worse

soon

and all my upgrades will be sans haste

[strong forum]

im literally on de other side

[barren rampart]

hey guys what are the best tanking trinkets our there?

[strong forum]

these

[barren rampart]

haste trinket is from SoA?

ty bro!

[astral crystal]

just ITF to victory bois

[open monolith]

did they ever fix anima field emitter

so that the pool appears where you LAND when you charge, rather from where you charged FROM

[dense pivot]

LMAO

[sweet summit]

thats not a bug what

[open monolith]

I never said it's a bug

but it sure is stupid

Oh great, my haste pool is 15 yards behind me. Very cool

[sweet summit]

yeah it sucks when it procs off charge

[stray sierra]

What are those trinkets

Not good with icons

[sweet summit]

scale from hakkar

[stray sierra]

First one is hakkar?

2nd one?

Also i have the ??? Trinket, it isnt bad for prot is it?

[open monolith]

i mean, it isn't BAD, but it isn't GOOD

it's... fine

Anima Field Emitter from Spires. Blood-splattered scale from Hakkar

Phial of Putrefaction is a great trinket for pumping, however you have to set your lootspec to fury or arms to get it

[steady spruce]

I'm curious why there's only one trinket with stam

[astral crystal]

anime emitter procs really often though

[open monolith]

because stam is for nerds

[sweet summit]

any stone legion+spike chads in the chat

[open monolith]

STR flask > STA flask

[steady spruce]

I'm currently running 203 fial and 184 organ, not sure about emitter field in M+ as you move a lot

But i'd like to change organ

[open monolith]

i'd spam heroic DOS

[steady spruce]

i do have a 187 anima field tho

[open monolith]

171 hakkar trinket is probably better than 184 organ

[steady spruce]

Yeah i didn't learn DoS enough to do M+ runs

[open monolith]

so spam it on heroic

and get a 171 scale

[steady spruce]

neveer!

nah i'll just start learning DoS but i'm having a hard time with the Sylvarden part route, do you guys go over the waterfall to dodge the big bird and the dragon?

[open monolith]

Pull everything down the middle path

pull a bunch of birds from the right (try to avoid the hatchlings, they will call for help and fuck you up)

try to grab the stealthy boys on either side of the dragon

avoid mama bird if you can at waterfall

[earnest fox]

If u dont pull enough birds when u skip over the water fall

Theres a path right before the boss

With invisible mobs, and even more birds

I always go that boss last to fill in percentage and if I'm lacking in percentage I pull from that path

[steady spruce]

Thanks for the tips guys 🙂

[stray sierra]

What site do you guys use for m+ routes?

And is there one that has prot W specific tips?

[open monolith]

@steady spruce https://wago.io/QOb4SdXFS

ignore the pull order in the ardenweald zone, just pay attention to which mobs are highlighted.

[still fossil]

Anyone know why many top tier prots use celestial guidance for raiding over lightless force/sinful revelation/ascended vigor? 🙂

wep enchant that is ^^

[steady spruce]

Wait what does route weak aura do? Does it mark wich mobs you need to pull? Or is it just a string to import in MDT?

[open monolith]

it's a string to load into MDT

[steady spruce]

ok right

[astral crystal]

extra main stat is always good for us

[open monolith]

@still fossil i believe lightless loses to guidance on single target

and guidance is also 13409834098346098 times cheaper

[still fossil]

Hmm alright. Just found it weird since icy veins/wowhead dont even mention it as an option other than for budget 😄

[open monolith]

sometimes you gotta just use the ol' noodle instead of being a slave to guides 🙂

ION WAS RIGHT

THE INTERNET RUINED WOW

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

jk

50% jk

@steady spruce regarding that route I showed you, it's important to follow the pull order for the first 4-5 pulls on keys 10+

in order to get prideful on all of the bosses

well, 3/4

[sick sentinel]

i crafted 190 the wall shoulders and i already have the recipe for thunderlord

i have the gloves and the missives i've pre-selected are haste crit

going to need 600 more SA, should i continue like this?

[lavish venture]

What leggos is everyone using for M+

[modern brook]

Tlords or wall

[strong forum]

organ is useless

it takes 1min to get all 9 stacks

for a 5k heal

[modern brook]

And it stam

Not str

[strong forum]

anime emitter moves with you

you dont need to stand in the field

for the haste buff

you still get it, i think

[lavish venture]

So the 4.5s cap on Tlords is that per CD or per TC?

[strong forum]

per TC

[humble ermine]

Haste crit on lego? Thought haste vers was the play or is haste crit m+?

[strong forum]

both is good

[wild sandal]

does the signet ring works for prot as well

[worn gulch]

HoA second boss. What is the best way to get all the adds together? Is there a trick?

[lofty thistle]

Signit Only works on avatar for prot

[wild sandal]

ah, wanted to use it for low keys for the damage

idk if i should go with it or stick to TL

[lofty thistle]

Stick with tlords.if ots low enough key the extra rage u can spend on revenge and end up with way more dps then the random bladestorm proc or 4 secs of reck

[mighty trellis]

so i'm relatively new to tanking as prot warrior and i was just wondering is it normal for anything +7 as a ilvl 191 to feel impossible or too difficult?

[strong forum]

i did 12s at 179

soooo

theres multiple reasons

[mellow patio]

Not really. Since you are new to tanking as port getting chewed up is probably a reflection of being uncomfortable or playing the class incorrectly

I also did 12s at 180

[turbid cargo]

also depends a lot on how your dps are doing

[strong forum]

youre playing badly, your group is playing badly, your routing is bad, your knowledge is lacking

but since you said youre new

id first start looking at myself

[wild sandal]

which lego should i upgrade first, wall or tl? i play normal raids , might start hc next week and my m+ range is 12 max for now i use wall on 10+

rest is TL so was thinking to go for it first but wall is for raids mostly

[humble ermine]

Are y'all getting 25% haste without ITF? If so, would you use ITF to get that high otherwise use UF? (For raid)

[lavish venture]

Whats the goto slot for Wall and TL?

[fallow mortar]

Shoulders and boots

[steel mauve]

Pretty sure anima emitter doesnt move with you, it just drops a pool on the ground and you need to stand in it

[dense umbra]

Correct

[strong forum]

you never use UF

its a borderline dead talent

you use Ravager everywhere

in raid you use ITF cuz its more DPS

has nothing to do with any amount of haste

[chilly brook]

Not saying that it's better, but I've really been liking ITF in keys this week

I'm assuming you can track rage generated through the whole of a run with a log yea?

[sweet summit]

ye same i love itf now i think

[chilly brook]

Cuz I'd be interested to see the rage gen difference

Cuz I'd need like what? 3 extra shield slams to make it generate more rage than ravager?

Which I think might actually be doable with the extra autos from itf

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[nova vector]

So no UF even with Thunderlord?

[chilly brook]

UF is a trap

[strong forum]

idk when i played ITF i didnt notice shit

ravager feels way better to play to me

[chilly brook]

Literally the only time you take UF is in torghast when you have 3x 50% increased thunderclap damage lol

[bitter crest]

Ravager feels not very impactful for me.

[chilly brook]

I just need to log some runs to look at the actual difference

Ravager rage gen should be very noticeable

[ionic fern]

o.o

[chilly brook]

[ionic fern]

Every time i check this channel today i see some very weird statements.

[chilly brook]

Its literally a huge influx of rage every what? 45 seconds?

[ionic fern]

First it was something about stacking mastery and now it's UF.

[chilly brook]

UF is a trap

[nova vector]

So I feel like a noob. Was playing UF and AM to maximize Demo uptime

[ionic fern]

It's not the end of the world.

It's still playable, just not the most optimal way.

And it will hit a ceiling before some other builds.

[nova vector]

I may go ahead and craft a r1 Wall and try it out in M+

So I can compare to Thunderlord/UF/AM

[chilly brook]

Hard disagree tbh with the amount of people I see struggling in just m0s because they're running UF and still think its BFA and as a result struggle with aggro

[ionic fern]

🤷

It works in lower keys.

[bitter crest]

@nova vector I like the wall in m+ too. The 5 more rage are very noticable.

[chilly brook]

The Wall+AM+Shield Wall conduit is dope

In m+

[nova vector]

@bitter crest would you then also use the SW CD reduction conduit?

Or is anyone playing the Shockwave CD reduction one?

I’m M+ obviously

[chilly brook]

Shockwave CD is meh

SW cd you run if you have The Wall and AM

But actually press Shield Wall please

If you do that

It's up roughly every minute

[nova vector]

Nice

[bitter crest]

This is very hard for me with AM. I love Bolster.

[nova vector]

Other question that may have already been answered. Are ppl using Spear on pull to help with AoE aggro? Or saving towards end of pull for kiting?

[ionic fern]

Then not being able to hold aggro is not something that is UF's fault.
It's the fault of spell priorities.

[nova vector]

I’m sure key lvl, fort vs tyrannnixal, etc makes a difference

[strong forum]

fort tyr not as much

but key level does obv

but UF is just bad

[bitter crest]

@nova vector I use it clearly on pull. Aggro shouldn't be any issue then.

[strong forum]

its a dps downgrade in every way

[chilly brook]

Yes but UF gives a false sense of having to press TC every time its up

[ionic fern]

I mean..do it.

🤔

[strong forum]

its playable, but not good

[ionic fern]

It's still PLAYABLE.

[nova vector]

I assume you may hold it on something like a raging week

[strong forum]

i use spear for max dam

no holdings

its HUGE damage and big rage gain

[nova vector]

Sounds good

[strong forum]

you can hold it if the pull is about to end

[bitter crest]

@nova vector The duration is too short for me to be used for kiting. Slows are my mates job.😄

[strong forum]

but holding onto a 1min CD is just inting

[sick sentinel]

any buffs incoming for prot ?

[nova vector]

@bitter crest Works for me

[strong forum]

lemme ask my 🔮

future says no

[slow skiff]

Lol

[strong forum]

pwar is fine, doesnt really need buffs. They would be welcome, but arent needed

[bitter crest]

I don't have the feeling, that buffs are necessary.

[strong forum]

really arent ye

what blizz needs to do instead, is balance m+

i cant imagine them thinking that every tank needs to kite is good game design

[bitter crest]

Yeah kiting feels like a waste of a groupslot.^^

[strong forum]

its just terrible design

having mobs with so many dangerous mechanics

that youre better off not tanking anything

[undone jacinth]

is it mechanics though

isnt it just damage

even if u kick literally everything

[strong forum]

theres alot of stuff thats unavoidable

outside of kiting/kicking

🙂

[bitter crest]

On some groups you can't kick everything, like SoA.

[strong forum]

bleeds/omega hard hitting enraged mobs/dots

unavoidable stun mechanics

on hit effects that cant be kicked because its an instant cast

perma casting mobs inside of packs of perma casting mobs

boss abilities being extremely overtuned

and so on and so forth

[undone jacinth]

dunno would like some of the caster speed turned down but otherwise think we need to wait til people have gear

I think if we all had heroic ilvl 15s wouldnt be that tough

[strong forum]

gear solves alot of issues yes

[ionic fern]

I mean

If we all had Heroic ilvl then we'd be just pushing higher keys

Which will have exactly the same issues.

[strong forum]

but the issues would be the same yes

[undone jacinth]

well yeah these issues will always happen at some point

otherwise why couldnt we do 45s last season

[strong forum]

yes but way too early

sanguine depths is the main offender

of bosses being overtuned

[undone jacinth]

how early it happens is based on gear

[ionic fern]

I tried healing SD yesterday on my druid,.

Never again.

Fuck that last boss

And the 3rd one

[undone jacinth]

yeah imo healers have it worse than tanks atm

feels brutal

[strong forum]

cuz healers cant just kite

🙃

kiting is a bandaid fix to dogshit design

[open monolith]

wat

I am like, 90% sure that isn't true. not in puddle = no haste buff

if it IS true... that trinket is legit broken

[strong forum]

it repositions

if you proc it on charge

[open monolith]

it re-procs

[strong forum]

no

it instantly repositions if you proc it off of charge

cuz it spawns on your position as soon as you enter combat

[undone jacinth]

I have noticed mine reposition a lot

I assumed it was re-procing

[open monolith]

i did not read that sentence in the context specifically of charge.

[strong forum]

it repositions a ton

a literal ton

[open monolith]

yes, I've used it

is it "repositioning" or just proccing again

[chilly brook]

My favorite with charge is charging through the mob so it can hit you in the back

[strong forum]

ive never had it stay away from me for longer than 1 second

unless it literally just ran out

[open monolith]

go smack a dummy til it procs

and run away

im pretty sure it just has a high proc rate. I doubt the puddle is sentient and moving with you

[strong forum]

not even 1 second

after i leapt away

[open monolith]

😐 that seems buggy.

there is no way that is intended design, but I welcome it

[strong forum]

pretty sure it repositions quickly if you spawn it and leave it very quickly

[open monolith]

it DOES say your attacks have a "high chance"

leap is an attack

[strong forum]

thats a cope from you

[open monolith]

look here you little shit

try it

[strong forum]

[open monolith]

go smack a dummy

and run away from the dummy

100% it isn't going to follow you

[strong forum]

^

[open monolith]

unless it procs on deep wounds 😮

if you auto attack a dummy until it spawns and run the fuck away, it's not gonna follow you

if it does I'll eat my sock.

[strong forum]

doesnt

but it repositions so often

[open monolith]

it procs so often

[strong forum]

ill call it reposition

cuz the old one disappears

[open monolith]

only 1 can be up at a time 🙂

[strong forum]

doesnt say that on the tooltip

[open monolith]

but it does, in fact, work that way

S E M A N T I C S

anyway, the trinket is good AF.

I was preaching it like, week 1

Y'ALL DOUBTED

[spark mortar]

Oh great hivemind of Skyhold, which Leggo is best for Torghast with all the changes?

I have the Wall and the Thunderlord.

[jagged pier]

anyone you want

[open monolith]

legendary specifically for torghast? lol

Torghast is braindead.

[spark mortar]

I mean, maybe there was one that is super fun. Worth asking, lol.

[strong forum]

/roll 2

[open monolith]

oh, you want FUN?

leaper

[spark mortar]

Ha.

[open monolith]

100%

there is no argument

[spark mortar]

Yeah that's my next Leggo.

[open monolith]

leaper is the most fun legendary

period.

the real question is...

do I upgrade TL to 4

or craft wall

and the answer is obviously: ilvl is all that matters, so rank 4 TL whooooooo

[chilly brook]

I'll be continuing to upgrade the wall

[jagged pier]

I would say the wall but i prefer it

[chilly brook]

I'll craft TGV in a few weeks

[sturdy portal]

anyone got a nice weak aura for prot ?

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly brook]

Khakhans

[sturdy portal]

and btw the wall is very nice in raid in mythic ^^

@chilly brook thank you

[chilly brook]

Plenty of other good ones

I just prefer his

[desert stream]

Hi can anyone tell me what the main stats are tempo, versatility or tempo mastery??

[sweet summit]

ilvl>>>>haste(tempo iguess)>versatility>=crit>mastery

[desert stream]

ok thx^^

[chilly brook]

@sweet summit glad I have another itf bro

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

I'm assuming logging m+ is basically the same as logging raid yea?

[sweet summit]

yes

[chilly brook]

Aight I'm gonna start logging runs to see the rage difference between itf and ravager tbh

Someone has to do it amirite

[vast pike]

[chilly brook]

See this is the kinda quantitative analysis that should make me a yellow name

[open monolith]

i really like the idea of haste being called tempo

[chilly brook]

Petition blizzard to change haste to sanic

[sweet summit]

remove speed and rename haste

[chilly brook]

GoTtA gO fAsT

Remove tertiary stats because they're honestly so unimpactful

[sweet summit]

leech on ALL ITEMS

[chilly brook]

Barely ever get any tertiarys

[open monolith]

bruh gimme leech

[chilly brook]

Literally hasn't been relevant since Legion

[open monolith]

on all the things

[chilly brook]

When you could actually stack it

[open monolith]

i want leech and speed on literally everything

[chilly brook]

Legion speed sets

📈

Was so pog

[solar crown]

did Limit use war for all of mythic or just on generals?

[sweet summit]

i dont remember early bosses, but i know they used it on sludge too

[chilly brook]

They've used it for all of CN

Lightee was pretty adamant that he wasn't going to be playing anything other than warrior and the only way he's going to touch BrM is if they need to pass a DPS check

[fading basin]

Is prot warrior dps that low atm?

[chilly brook]

No

[fading basin]

Why all the hate for warrior this expansion. Personally I love tanking warrior because it’s not as spiky, and you’re not jumping around running all over the place like vengeance

[chilly brook]

BrM is just paladin lite when it comes to single target damage

They're not far behind pally

[fading basin]

So will warrior struggle compared to other classes in anything except magic mitigation?

[lavish oracle]

Nah

[open monolith]

warriors have spell reflect

and ignore pain

this whole "super weak to magic" argument grates on my nerves

anyway, warrior is fine

people consume tier lists

and they don't change their minds after the initial tier lists

so warrior = bad

[fading basin]

It’s all you hear though unfortunately. Pugging on prot warrior is like how I feel when I’m pigging on my survival main.

[lavish oracle]

I'm mad people are putting us high tier, I wanna be buffed so I can be op

[open monolith]

my favorite thing to do on my hunter is lie about my spec

and hope that nobody notices until after the key starts

and then shit on the meters anyway and hopefully change minds

[fading basin]

The new covenant back pieces that hide weld are great for that LOL

Weps*

[open monolith]

make sure you dismiss your pet

and don't summon until the timer starts

[fading basin]

They don’t complain after the first pull though, my guild loves their token survival haha

[open monolith]

SV isn't amazing on single target

but omfg in m+ w/ the clusters legendary

[dense pivot]

noice

I remember one story from a guy who was leveling a priest, and disc damage was somehow broken at mid levels and it did mega damage, he was dps but used disc as his spec, he gets vote kicked out because he was in healing spec, dude who initiated kick wasn't even looking at damage meter, on them disc guy was outdpsing everyone

not my story, so can be completely made up, but funny if true

[uncut finch]

Hi guys, which one would you guys go for?

[sweet summit]

id take spike for defensive purposes and power crystal for dps

[vast pike]

Intervene causes all melee and ranged attacks against my party target to instead hit me (for 6 seconds, while they are within 10 yds), correct?

[sweet summit]

the person you intervene, doesnt matter if party or not, but yeah it hits you if youre in range

[vast pike]

Thanks

[sick sentinel]

is there an easy way to deal with the tornadoes on 7 +

[ionic fern]

Yes

Move.

👀

[jagged pier]

^^

not gunna lie guys sire hc is a awesome fight

[sweet summit]

it owns

cant wait to see mythic

[jagged pier]

same

[slim oriole]

Pelagos or Kleia for m+?

[sick sentinel]

i attempted to run +7 spires, and i thought i was imagining not seeing all those tornadoes before, because its a wind dungeon, and we got to 2nd boss and destroyed

[wispy ridge]

WoW Prot Ravager dont proc the Tormented Kings? thats blows (the arms one procs)

[slim oriole]

No it doesn't

[wispy ridge]

why thou?... That's o lame =T

[slim oriole]

Heard something about different ravagers for prot and for arms

[drifting sky]

How important is haste? I see a lot of top raidios have a ton of haste

[sweet summit]

signet is coded like you cast bladestorm i guess, and prot ravager doesnt replace bladestorm soo

[drifting sky]

I’m sitting at 192 ish ilevel but have super low haste

[sweet summit]

haste is our best secondary stat

[drifting sky]

Not sure where to go from here

[sweet summit]

item level is more important tho

[slim oriole]

More rage gen, lower SB and other abilities cd

So pretty much important

[slim oriole]

Would like to repeat the question, if someone could answer

[drifting sky]

Do I basically try to farm certain mythic+ for ilevel and stat upgrade items?

[bitter crest]

I farm them to learn the routes and mechanics. Loot is an byproduct.

[leaden steeple]

the wall was best on shoulders?

also with haste and vers

[sweet summit]

ye syes

[old flame]

Pelagos always.

Maybe in February when everything is unlocked and possibly retuned on the other binds we may switch. But his top and bottom are the best at the mo

Moment*

[slim oriole]

Yeah, you're right, I guess I was thinking about full tree.

Cause 5% crit looks pretty good

[old flame]

Kleia top is also lackluster when you realize it's anyone near you dropping under 50 that procs it

[leaden steeple]

are the wall and thunderlord pretty even on m+?

or is thunderlord easily better

[sweet summit]

thunderlord is better in 3+ target situations

altho people have had some success with the wall and AM in the other side i believe

[leaden steeple]

hmm, will probably still craft both tbh and try it out

instead of raising one to the current max

[sick sentinel]

I have seen in raider io the top prot warriors (M+) go tormented kings. Not sure why since ravager wouldnt proc it

Someone has any idea?

[leaden steeple]

off-spec

[sick sentinel]

Mmm ok! Would be dope if it proced on tormented kings. Avatar with ravager every 45s sounds good

Anyone else having problems finding pug groups for +10 keys ? Got around 800 rio and cant get a single +10 Key got every instance on +9 even 2 +10 in time but i cant get into any groups this weekend

[warm warren]

how are prot warriors doing damage in m+?

are people running unstoppable force or ravager with thunderlord?

[sweet summit]

ravager mostly

[jagged pier]

fine and ravager

[sweet summit]

ItF is also good

[warm warren]

what about last talent?

[sweet summit]

bolster for shield block uptime

AM for dps

depends on situation

[warm warren]

gotchya

ty

[ionic fern]

Not really, no.

Some declines here and there but other than that no.

[warm warren]

anyone running nightfae cov?

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[molten lodge]

Anyone else having issues getting enough rage to consistently Shield Block Reaping Scythe for the last boss of ToP? It feels like when she is doing her other mechanics I get rage starved then the Scythe comes in and hits like a truck

[amber sedge]

You can Spell reflect every other one and then the physical portion isn't as bad

[patent cairn]

Spell reflect it. I believe it even reflects damaga to her

[ionic fern]

Yeah.

SR.

[molten lodge]

Ahh ok, thanks a bunch. Should only get chunked for the ~10k physical then

[ionic fern]

In general you know when it's going to come so you can pool some Rage right before.

Nah

If you SR it then you take 0 damage.

Not even the physical part.

[molten lodge]

Wow, unreal

thanks for the heads up

[leaden steeple]

huh, didnt know either. that ability doesnt really look like a "spell"

[ionic fern]

Jeap.

She takes a lot of damage from it as you can see.

[molten lodge]

wouldn't have helped us clear it since the healer was getting hit by every frontal cone anyway, regardless of the rest of the group's pleading

[patent cairn]

Any tips or specific talent build for thorgast as prot ?

[ionic fern]

This is what i usually run for Torghast.

[patent cairn]

War machine ? Interesting...

[ionic fern]

Try and get the more ST/Rage gen powers - the trash on each floor just falls over but bosses take time.

For the movement speed and insane rage gen.

Due to constantly dying enemies.

So you get Avatar up stupid fast.

[patent cairn]

Renenges 24/7 as rotation ?

[ionic fern]

Pretty much.

😂

[patent cairn]

Hmm, thanks a lot. Will try it. Was trying as Fury - died on 2nd level...

[ionic fern]

Jeah, Prot is a ton easier.

[patent cairn]

And 1 more q - battlegrounds as prot - trolling or viable ?

[ionic fern]

Someone has to step in now as i do 0 PvP.

😂

[patent cairn]

Bodyguard pvp talent sounds interesting

[ionic fern]

Would be too hectic in a BG.

[patent cairn]

Anyway, thanks for help

[leaden steeple]

ItF seems more useful in raid than m+ or has someone had succes with it?

[sweet summit]

its alright

i do believe that ravager is better tho, its a lot of rage

[patent sluice]

Just did my first run on lvl 1 as prot

[ocean kayak]

dumb question but just making sure, in a mythic + run you cant replace someone can you?

[patent sluice]

Almost couldn‘t handle that slime boss which does that aoe

[leaden steeple]

was thinking the wall and ItF and just going ham on slam

[sweet summit]

no you cant @ocean kayak

[patent cairn]

Is it better to have 1 lego higher level, or 2 leggos ? I have thunder already, but also want the wall...

[ocean kayak]

cheers Erga

[fallow mortar]

depends on how often you use them. I made them both at the basic level and found I loved having The Wall more than TL

[patent cairn]

Even in m+ ?

[fallow mortar]

mhm

if you don't raid, then I would suggest going with TL over The Wall though

[patent cairn]

Doing 50/50

[fallow mortar]

then it is entirely up to you on if you want to do one or the other

or both

[misty fossil]

just found out that prot is the lowest tank on icyveins tierlist so im literally never gonna get into a pug

[fallow mortar]

shrug let people have bad perceptions

[patent cairn]

I wish tierlists and damage meters will be gone someday...

[ionic fern]

NEVER

[fallow mortar]

damage meters will always be around. We could tier list tier lists and make it a huge meme, but it would not solve the problem

[patent cairn]

Ppl are strickted to it

[misty fossil]

we live in the era of minmaxing

[patent cairn]

I have veng dh, and war - i see why dh is top in m+, but as war i have more fun, more thinking, more ways to counter some mechs, even if I know war is worse, I still prefer war

[dense pivot]

why?

damage?

[patent cairn]

Damage, mobility, aoe utility, meta (literally sw, ls, avatar in 1 button)

[median badge]

what makes warr the lowest on tier lists?

[dense pivot]

better ask authors

[median badge]

shitty time to be a warrior eh, aren't they pretty poor dps too?

[sweet summit]

yep

[median badge]

it'll change tho right, we'll have our time in the sun again

[lean coral]

tbh i enjoy my warrior then my monk or dk

*more than

[gilded niche]

hi guys quick question what leggo for prot warrior?

BiS^

[ionic fern]

The Wall or Thunderlords. 🙂

Thunderlords is more for m+.

[gilded niche]

thank you!

what about raiding?

[ionic fern]

Thunderlords is a m+ one and The Wall can be used comfortably in both. 🙂

[gilded niche]

aah okay thank you very much 😄

[fossil vapor]

guys i'm ventyr but now i want to chose a covenant for m+ pnly ( and maybe for dps too some time) what is better? kyrian or night fae?

[ionic fern]

In all honesty, both work. 🙂

I enjoy Kyrian for the low CD spear + potions.

But a lot of people also like NF for the knockdown.

Look at the mogs and check which one you like more.

😂

[exotic spoke]

Spear is incredibly helpful when you have to kite on dangerous packs in M+ as well as huge rage / damage

[sweet surge]

Do you guys usually throw ravager before charging in M+?

[leaden steeple]

necrolord for style points

[exotic spoke]

I don't use ravager before pull.

[ionic fern]

Mostly jeah.

[fossil vapor]

mmmm yes kyrian probably are the best to choose for me

i don't like so much the coldown of the stun of the night fae

but i have the dh in kyrian and pala tan ktoo T:T

[drifting sky]

Yeh I agree prot warrior requires thinking

Like what and when to spell reflect

Fury management

[tall mural]

People forget how good spell reflect is. Flat 20% and the ability to straight cheese some boss abilities. Sure, pallies have BOP and bubble but SR comes pretty close on a lot of fights.

[strong forum]

i use it almost on CD

like, using it literally on CD will already make you better than ATLEAST 50% of all protwarriors out there

cuz i legit think hardly anyone uses it correctly, especially arms warris now, since theyre not used to it

[hard birch]

I pop SR on my DBM timers on magic abilities.

I'm currently having issues on Mythic Halkias, specifically on dropping the pools. I'm trying to find a clean way to do it. Anyone have any ideas?

[strong forum]

stack them ontop of each other

the floor effect barely hurts

[hard birch]

Hmm interesting...didn't know you can stack them atop eachother.

[stuck oriole]

Does anyone go nightfae or are we all kyrian

Im second guessing my nightfae pick

[patent cairn]

I dont like CD on nf ability

[tired cove]

is there a reason lightee is running celestia guardian over lightess even when he does m+ ?

[strong forum]

no reason to min max m+

when your focus is raiding

celestial is 10x cheaper and at best 1% worse

for some it sims even higher than lightless

5% mainstat isnt bad

[jade axle]

I cant get loot from LFR more than once per week right?

[strong forum]

si

[jade axle]

gracias

[tired cove]

ahhh okay

thanks @strong forum

[mild river]

I'm a nightfae too

[heavy sail]

Nightfae is decently competitive, with balancing in the future I’m sure it won’t matter much.

The only truly bad option rn is necro

[north merlin]

Well i have to say i just switched to Venthyr from Kyrian and for me it makes a lot of difference

i increased my dps by about 800

With the switch to venthyr

[heavy sail]

Venthyr is okay, it’s just not great for rage economy.

[north merlin]

I tried everything Mortal combo and Tormented kings

[heavy sail]

And if you plan on PVPing

[north merlin]

Sure pvp is prob Kyrian only option but as a tank i even like venthyr

[heavy sail]

It’s okay, I used it for a bit when I was planning on maining fury for the first week.

[north merlin]

Generally speaking though one time i hope i can go back to kyrian because as arms 50% of my dmg is done using one button and i fear my keyboard is paying the price

[heavy sail]

The issue is just that you don’t have any rage to use it when you’re pushing content, it’s much easier to find a use case in raids opposed to M+

But keeping all your defensives up and weaving revenge for threat gen pushes your rage extremely thin as is

[north merlin]

true

[heavy sail]

In raids where revenge is totally unnecessary to press tho

I can see venthyr being much more competitive

[chilly brook]

Pugs are so bad this week

Literally ToP is painful

[ionic fern]

Oooooh.

[fervent axle]

Hey all long time lurker, I have a question: How are you all dealing with getting the Glyph of Destruction during annihilate on Artificer?

I'm stuggling with running it away and running against the pull

so I'll get gimped by annihilate but have the bomb out

[jade axle]

Is the choice of covenant gonna make or break your ability to tank past a certain point in Mythic Dungeons?

[empty locust]

There is a WA i use for the Glyph, makes the timing really easy.

Cannot remember it but its off wago.io

You don't need to use the portal, i just run against it then leap about 2-3 seconds out and charge if its looking close

[fervent axle]

My issue is I'm running the glyph pretty far away in phase 3, should I go closer to help with the annihlate pull?

[empty locust]

is your team dropping a portal next to the boss?

[fervent axle]

I am burning my leap to get away and I'm thinking that is bad

ye

[empty locust]

For most of the glyphs you should not need to use leap

Just run through the portal then run a bit to the side

[fervent axle]

Gotcha I was thinking I need to move it further away

but probably don't need it on the complete other side of the room, that's what I was fucking up, ty

[empty locust]

There is a bad overlap where you wont have a portal to run through, use leap for that one

[fervent axle]

gotcha gotcha, have multiple kills on him now but I've died in everyone trying to move the glyph during annihilate, I'll do better

[heavy sail]

I’ve never had an issue with it by just leaping, personally

[inland garnet]

You are talking about tank dps, right? Asking about details since I am somewhat open to give up on Kyrian. (the overall theme feels lame to me)
Probably going for NF

[heavy sail]

And when the raid has gotten hit it’s fairly easy to heal through

[heavy sail]

Your individual skill is going to be the biggest factor. If you’re crazy about min/maxing and the thought of playing suboptimally bothers you, just go Kyrian and sleep soundly.

[inland garnet]

After playing with Kyrian for a while - the nf Shockwave could be much more impactful than Spear in m+

some packs have 2-3 casters

imagine the horror when the pumpers can't find their kick button

[heavy sail]

Night Fae is a competitive option, I don’t hate it.

[fallow mortar]

first they have to remember they have it

[heavy sail]

I think Night Fae has the potential to be stronger in the sense that it does more damage and has great rage gen.

Issue is that it’s entirely dependent on being used in an AoE scenario and it requires the enemies to stay in the cast for the duration

And I mean more mobility is nice and all but being a warrior it’s not that relevant.

Removing bleeds/poisons and an on demand heal is infinitely better

If you like the NF aesthetic, it’s close enough that you can pick it without being worried about a performance loss

[sick sentinel]

i'm consdering making a macro that goes down a list and tries to use everything that doesn't share a CD and heals,

so like, it would do VR first, then phial, >healthstone >alch potion.
Don't know if this is a particularly wise move

[undone jacinth]

well you don’t want to use everything

if it just uses one of them then probably fine

[mighty oriole]

Better than not using them/not having enough room on your action bars IMO

Only thing is I don't know how you'll be able to code that in to not use HS + pot at the same time since they don't share the same CD

[patent cairn]

Is here some1 who uses only plater's "self bar" ?

[wet osprey]

best conduit for tanking raid?

[cedar rose]

Thinking of switching to venthyr tomorrow. Kyrian arms just isn't cutting it. Any issues tanking as venthyr? I feel like the spear isn't game changing but losing that phial is big

[open monolith]

Spear is game changing

Phial is game changing

Venthyr Covenant ability as prot is basically like not having a Covenant ability at all for anything other than tanking bosses

[empty locust]

I cannot stress how useful the spear is when you need to kite

[open monolith]

Or for snap threat

Or damage

Or rage

Just such a fucking solid ability

[pale lotus]

Tanking as venthyr sucks for sure. Often rage starved to be condemning. I was kyrian and miss it dearly

[dusty bridge]

True, just go night fae. It’s decent for both Arms and prot

[fiery badge]

Yeah I second night fae

The mobility blink is a life saver too

If my tanking suffers it’s my fault, not my covenants. I’m glad I chose night fae

[astral crystal]

depends on what you're doing, but unnerving focus, stalwart guardian and piercing veredict are all solid choices

[fiery badge]

Do any Night Fae tanks use dreamweaver

[sick sentinel]

blink always messes with my head

it's great spell, when it does what you want it to do, when you need it to...

i gotta get the thunder lord lego tuesday.

[paper coral]

how's it feel for Lightee to say warrior is shit? I cried a little. 😛

[pastel sleet]

is there a cheesy way to get 1800 rank in pvp? i dont pvp

[unique shale]

get a friend to help you out or w8 to gear out

or git gud as always

[sick sentinel]

i swear the spear on final boss spires is glitched, i saw it hit today, but it didnt

[placid oar]

i think he meant it sarcastically? If it really was, doubt he will even play it for a WFR.

[muted rapids]

@pastel sleet by winning

[fringe marten]

Sometimes...sometimes it's your night. I got Stone legion heraldry heroic (versa trinket from generals) and a 200 ilevel anima field emitter from spires..

Now I just need to get a shield from my vault on tues..and a weapon..ever.

[sick sentinel]

what are tuesday affix

besides tyranical/fort, already know that one, not one is the other there

[lavish oracle]

I don't think anyone knows

[sick sentinel]

i should attempt 7 spires again or anything really

[versed bough]

guys I need your opinion

Well

Im offspec is tank

in m+

and I have enough to get r3 lego for my dps

or create tank lego

So what should be the best course ?

[empty locust]

Thundergods is good for M+

[versed bough]

Yeah and I have a follow up question about that also

cause without ravage I cant hold much aggro

[swift kindle]

More and more prot warriors are going for Tormented Kings in M+, why is that ? Isnt the bladestorming part of it bad for tanking ?

[lucid holly]

Cause they prob main arms but tank for faster queues

But you can still cast shield block while bladestorming

[swift kindle]

I'm talking about the highest ranked prot warriors out there, i doubt they main dps

[lucid holly]

Any warrior that is Venthyr I would assume mains Dps

For raiding at least

[swift kindle]

Yeah, and multiple top 10 M+ prots run Kyrian + Tormented

[slate vessel]

highest rank prot warriors are going to prioritize DPS

[swift kindle]

So idk

[slate vessel]

Signet is the best DPS leggo for warriors in the game

[swift kindle]

Above Thunderlord ?

[lucid holly]

Signet works well if you’re taking AM

But the signet interaction doesn’t work for prot

For ravager

Just avatar

[swift kindle]

Makes sense ty

[hollow bolt]

How much does a shield add 2 our mitigation

[hallow phoenix]

You mean how much does shield ilvl matter?

[fringe marten]

Who is Lightee?

[sick sentinel]

shield ilvl is always important because it is only item that give you block value

bigger your blocks, less dmg you take, less likely you will die

[hollow bolt]

yeah but i thought we jsut blocked 30% of all damage again

or have i been reading our mastery wrong

[sick sentinel]

When a block occurs, the target takes the same amount of damage (s)he would have taken from an ordinary hit (not a critical hit or crushing blow), reduced by 30%. For example, if a mob would normally hit you for 500 damage, you will see in your combat log:
"... hits you for 350 (150 blocked)."
Block reduction is calculated prior to any absorbs. For example, if a mob would normally hit you for 30k, and you have a 10k damage absorption shield and a standard 30% block reduction you will see in your combat log:
"... hits you for 10000 (10000 absorbed, 10000 blocked)."

but, block rating is good for some reason.

[sweet summit]

Tank for limit

[sweet summit]

How much you block depends on your block value (item level on shield) and k-value. Mastery (critical block chance) is just an additional chance to block twice the amount of a normal block, capping at 85% dr iirc

[hollow bolt]

aaah

gotcha ty

[sweet summit]

You can calculate dr from block with "Block / (Block + K)"
Where block is block value and k is k-value

[analog lantern]

God, Sludgefist HC hits so hard, staying alive feels so touch-and-go x.x

[fringe marten]

yup; we got him ..? night before last..and I went through the whole thing being the 'off' tank, and it was fine..and then at the end I think I literally got 2 shot outta' nowhere.

[autumn pendant]

@sweet summit

[sweet summit]

@autumn pendant

[autumn pendant]

Prot big

[sweet summit]

Yes

The biggest

[autumn pendant]

Sec

[sweet summit]

Limits stone legion kill?

[autumn pendant]

Aye

[sweet summit]

They are ramping

[nimble drift]

Every guild wants me to go ARMs

only way I can join a guild that is 10/10N is by going arms and the only way to join a guild as prot is to join a shit like 3/10 guild

[formal river]

isnt it more fun to join a shit 3/10 guild though and progressing? 🙂

[unique shale]

those guild have no idea

prot tank it is still playable if you know what are you doing

[nimble drift]

bro its literally not even that

its because every guild is established with tanks LOL

so they don't mind bringing an arms warrior but they can't afford to bring a prot tank

[unique shale]

oh yes they are

[nimble drift]

shits tragic

[unique shale]

everytime you ask to let you tank for while they are ganna say our tanks are taking since classic wow

😂😂

or w8 they had never played dps or healer in their life

if you don’t hear one of those excuses i will change my mind 

[paper coral]

Thats not just a prot war thing. Thats universal. I have a VDH and there's no tank spots except for M+

[sweet summit]

Finding a guild as a tank is hard no matter what tank you play

Unless you have connections 👀

[unique shale]

yup

SL is more dps and healer oriented than tank so everybody with two brain cell can tank anything. no offense 

[nimble drift]

God its so aids man

I gotta just join a guild and slowly mentally manipulate the aura and attitude of the raid to progressively demonize and deminish the effort of the current tank, painting them as the focus and reason for any failures that happen.

Then I will clear bosses that the guild fails to clear in pugs and talk about how easy it is

[unique shale]

[nimble drift]

😈

[unique shale]

nice plan if you don’t kick when you blaming their failures on tank 

[nimble drift]

na you gotta be subtle with it

[paper coral]

I did that once, or somethig similar. I took a guild from wiping in icc25man to getting to LK. then Ilogged in adn then had replaced me with the previous tank since "we know how to do it now"

Hint: they never got back to LK

[unique shale]

lol

is that me or guys can tell others tank mistakes?

[paper coral]

depends ont eh fight/tank

[sick sentinel]

Is icy veins trust worthy source or no I keep hearing conflicted about use their guide or not

[unique shale]

nah

i don’t trust any guides

they are wrong in most parts

[undone sun]

mwahi writes IV, it's usable

@sick sentinel

[lavish oracle]

Guides are, in general, more of a starting point than the end all be all

[brittle owl]

not trusting guides means not reading them properly

[shy yoke]

Wait we build haste/crit over haste/versa for m+s oriented build?

[fringe marten]

hm..? Has anyone done any kind of testing or at least number crafting on what a group of people using judgement of the arbiter rings (or other slots) could do in M+?

Uh also...Stone Legion heraldry puts this little blood effect on you that ? pulses/appears every like 20 or so seconds. It's kinda' triggering me..

[fallow mortar]

it is a matter of what you are looking for when choosing between crit and vers

Since I am venthyr, I want crit 😄

[paper coral]

Whyd you go venthyr, GTKA?

[shy yoke]

Well I choose Kyrian for the pot mosly so I assume my option would be versa? 🤔

[stiff hill]

Sup, do we have reflectable spells in dungeon info?

[pallid hollow]

should be, yeah

[fallow mortar]

vampires, I mainly raid, and I like dunking on mobs

[pallid hollow]

check pin

[paper coral]

ok. cool. I haven't played warrior with venthyr stuff yet. I dunno what it's like. My warrior is level 56

[stiff hill]

ty

[fallow mortar]

crits also directly help with parry, so it is a preference between parry and vers mitigations

[pallid hollow]

dodge parry chance? you guys trying to reach ctc cap?

[fringe marten]

All the covenants have cool/useful choices but if you're going to tank I would think venthyr would be the least valuable choice?

[pallid hollow]

yep

target dies faster = less damage taken, so condemn yourself to victory

[fringe marten]

Also...this Anima field emitter is amazing ~

And I got the stone legion heraldry trinket from heroic Generals today...and it's kinda' making me sick feeling that my 194 blood spattered scale is ..WAY ..better than this 220 trinket. =\

[fallow mortar]

Necro is the least valuable and venthyr is third in mythics

[cerulean quest]

Kyrian so good

[fringe marten]

My Cotank for raids is a bear; I can tell you that Necrolord is very potent for tanking.

[cerulean quest]

Spear boys unite 🙏🏼

[fringe marten]

Maybe specifically raid tanking.

[fallow mortar]

What bears do is different to what warriors do

also venthyr prot warriors are number one if not contesting for number 1 with kyrian

in raid*

[fringe marten]

yeah..but ultimately in a raid we both serve the same purpose; hold the mob still in a spot where dps can hit it..and don't move much...and live.

I'm kyrian myself; I'm just saying...if I had to choose another covenant, venthyr would be my last choice for tanking.

[fallow mortar]

👍

[fringe marten]

The spear is not only good damage, and a bit of cool utility in M+; but also does have defensive benefit.

[lavish oracle]

The snap on the spear so good when it hits just right

Sometimes I'll kite a little earlier than I need to just to watch it snap like 8 mobs, haha

[fringe marten]

naw

[lavish oracle]

It also can be helpful on mobs that leap at random party members, seems like there's a weirdly high number of them this xpac

[fringe marten]

BiS use for spear pingpong... Sun King fight...when the waves of assassins overlap, and you get everyone to collapse in mid for dps... dump that spear..when they charge out at people they get yoinked back

I also use it to help contain the vulpin 'freeze tag' spirit on mistcaller fight in Tirna Scithe

[lavish oracle]

I was using it for the oozes on first boss of Plaguefall earlier, lots of cool stuff to use it for

[fringe marten]

yup, I've used it a time or two on that..but usually the dps can just erase those.

There's no @target macro for ground cast abilities is there? I tried putting @target , and it didn't work.

[lavish oracle]

I don't think so, I think closest you can get is @cursor

[fringe marten]

yeah that's what I"m using..and a shift mod for the same key for ravager.

[cerulean quest]

Spear is amazing. If I suddenly lost that I’d be in trouble

Amazing for opening packs when you have damage hungry dps

Amazing for controlling bolstering in big packs / help kiting

Even amazing on some mythic boss fights. Fist boss in NW, last in Mists both spring to mind. But there’s more.

[sick sentinel]

Ravager or anger management for M+? Thanks ❤️

Spear is great yes

[sweet summit]

They are not on the same row so you can take both 🤔

Altho bolster is better for higher shield block uptime in keys
AM is more for big dps

[eager lake]

why does arms ravager procs tormented king and prot doesnt, that seems wack

[jagged pier]

different spell ids 🤷, we think its an oversight

[eager lake]

I dont tank that often but it would def make my life easier when trying to tank keys as venthyr warrior 😭

[ember inlet]

Yesterday i finally got that anima field emitter from +10 spires

oh my never been so happy xD

now after the DoS trinket 😄

[sweet summit]

[ember inlet]

Yesterday tanked heroic sludge. TBH i expected more damage

that blocking and parry is absolutely bonkers

i am starting to like critical strike even more

[jagged pier]

they nerfed his damage recently

[ember inlet]

btw is there diminishing on parry count? some time there were like 6 parries a minute or smth

@jagged pier oh that explains, but did they nerf the raid damage or his AA damage as well?

[sweet summit]

Nah not like that

You have a %chance to parry

[jagged pier]

nerfed his AA damage by 18%, and he spawns less stuff so general raid damage goes down

[sweet summit]

Strength and crit increases that chance

[ember inlet]

@sweet summit so basically parry works all the time, no limits

[sweet summit]

As long as the attack is parryable, yeah

[ember inlet]

@jagged pier tnx explains 🙂

Cool

21% parry chance is huge

[fringe marten]

raid mobs are often not parryable, but M+ are..which is why parry (by extension crit) gains so much value in M+

[sweet summit]

Raid bosses are

[jagged pier]

^^

[sweet summit]

Its just you take a lot more autos in m+

Compared to raid

[jagged pier]

^^

^^

[fringe marten]

some, I thought 'brutes' aren't..IE large mobs that hit slow like hungering, sludge..etc

[sweet summit]

Some boss/mob abilities are not parryable tho

But auto attacks are

Like, constantly having 4+ mobs auto attacking you compared to one raid boss, parry will "do more" in m+ kinda

[ember inlet]

i mean if you parry denathrius, you wont get the stack

[fringe marten]

I guess it's just a frequency thing; since you're really just mitigating a few autos b etween abilities you don't even bother counting on parry, but IN M+ it's just a huge overall damage reduction

[sweet summit]

Idk how to explain it well

Yes, exactly that

[fringe marten]

like hungering destroyer..you can literally watch his attack animation

he doesn't hit that fast

oh ALSO who's the shifty bastard who made the first bear on huntsman NON curable with dwarf racial? on day 1 of raid, we started heroic..progressed through huntsman and killed him and I know for 100% sure I was deleting the bleed with both my racial and phial, and now the racial doesn't work.

But it cures everything except stone fists on generals 🙂 can't wait for that to get trashed too =\

[cerulean quest]

Hey guys - in NW anyone know what trash % you need before heading up to the circle room?

[sweet summit]

69 iirc

[cerulean quest]

Thanks

[sweet summit]

69 or 67

[heavy sail]

69

[sweet summit]

Nice

[heavy sail]

[cerulean quest]

Hahaha thanks thanks

[fringe marten]

Necro wake got some sick cheese; it's shocking how many people don't know about the anima orb.

like halft he time "WTF is anima orb damage? WTF?!"

[cerulean quest]

Yeah. And I need to start using spear on second boss.

Apparently it melts it

[fringe marten]

well this week yeah

[ember inlet]

have you seen that cheese i linked couple of days here before?

where ppl stacksed the buffs on a cleaver tosser

[sweet summit]

Bolstered cleaver?

[ember inlet]

and oneshoted with that 2nd boss?

[sweet summit]

Yeee

[fringe marten]

you're going to swap between using it on trash in surgeons area, or on bosses (remember you can stack multi spears per boss..or rahter..use them consecutively)

LOL...how were they surviving when there was no mob to hit with the cleaver?

[ember inlet]

CC

[cerulean quest]

The javelin isn’t a Kyrian thing right

[fringe marten]

the new artillery~

[sweet summit]

Nah

[cerulean quest]

Anyone can pick up and use those items?

Cool

[fringe marten]

the only kyrian 'thing' in there, is the golems.

[cerulean quest]

Yeah

[fringe marten]

that dungeon is built around the use of those weapons; if they were kyrian only it would be horrific without them

[cerulean quest]

Nice one thanks guys

[fringe marten]

Also

mad cheese..you can stack the tools

the most recent one is the usable one

I always take 1 anima orb, and 1 hammer..up to surgeon

[fallow mortar]

i was always hesitant to try stacking

[cerulean quest]

Ah ok

[fringe marten]

go up, charge left..get the patrol pack and 2 big packs of shit...go hamskies with orb; hammer the kyrian stitchwork to drop stacks

GTKA you should be, it's ridiculously high risk for good reward..your team has to be very good and coordinated to pull off crap like that. Not worthwhile for most groups

[fallow mortar]

Well ya, I have a good guildy group going and will let the druid take all of the spears since he can shadow meld 😄

[fringe marten]

the hammers also do some damage to bosses, even if they don't stun...so if you just got extra hammers and wanna burn 'em, they're a solidly strong hit

[fallow mortar]

toss em onto the mages, fuck that

[heavy sail]

Magic damage in NW hurts my soul

[fallow mortar]

IP and spell reflect... not to mention shield wall

[heavy sail]

And demo shout

Still sucks ass tho

[fallow mortar]

also having people actually kick the necrotic bolts is a blessing

[heavy sail]

Interrupts are the difference maker fo sho

[fallow mortar]

NW shouldn't be a problem IF the people you are rolling with are good

[heavy sail]

They rarely are

[fallow mortar]

lfr then?

[heavy sail]

Nah it’s actually not that big a deal I just need to remind the DPS to actually interrupt and the healer to not fall asleep mid pull during NW.

Still feels tiring to coach pugs to use interrupts every time though

[potent dagger]

what are the stat prios for prot warrior ? still ilvl over haste/vers?

[charred ivy]

when do i use condemn if im venthyr?

i rarley tank

[ebon hound]

Only if you have an abundance of rage and do not need to refresh Ignore Pain to survive

So very rarely in m+

[undone jacinth]

you can use it instead of IP most of the time

on ST

[zealous spire]

Make a macro for it

./p "Please use interrupts."

[undone jacinth]

Just have your details set to track overall interrupts and report it in party chat. Takes 2 clicks and suddenly everyone wants to be top of the meter

[sweet summit]

Ilvl>>>>>haste>>vers>=crit>mastery
Sim for dps

[fiery badge]

Yeah the caster pack with the mini boss at NW is brutal

[mental scarab]

But we can SR something that does mega dmg

In that pack

[fiery badge]

spam ignore pain interrupt/IP , but I prefer to take a rogue and skip

[ebon hound]

It's more the healing absorb that hurts rather than the direct damage

[fiery badge]

It’s the bleed the big skeleton guys do plus the necrotic bolt

[ebon jasper]

skip or if not skipable get orb and blast the shit out of that dude while he's silenced

[compact tulip]

Yep, that orb makes that pack pretty easy tbf

[hearty wigeon]

Howdy prot fellows

[sweet summit]

Hallo 👋

[hearty wigeon]

Can i ask questions here or there's a specific topic - channel for it ?

[sweet summit]

I dont know yet

But ask away

[hearty wigeon]

BTW i am a not native speaker as you can see, so therefore sorry for any mistake

[sweet summit]

Thats fine