And get easy 220/226 shield
#protection
strong forum
And necklace prolly too
As there is only 1 decent necklace in the entire game
And it's mastery heavy
honest plinth
I got 223 HoA from vault
sullen drift
would you guys choose best served cold over booming voice?
jagged pier
would you guys choose best served cold over booming voice?
no
tawny vessel
whats stat priority for mythic + ? is it Haste crit or Haste vers? also whats the soft cap for crit?
jagged pier
whats stat priority for mythic + ? is it Haste crit or Haste vers? also whats th...
90% of it comes from play not stats, and anyway ilvl tumps all tbh in terms of whats best, if you can haste vers, and a crit soft cap would legit be pointless to try and achieve
golden pollen
for thunderlord, is the cap at 4.5 overall or just for each thunderclap cast?
keen oasis
In raid, is Into the Fray and Bolster a decent talent choice?
jagged pier
In raid, is Into the Fray and Bolster a decent talent choice?
yer that or AM
strong forum
for thunderlord, is the cap at 4.5 overall or just for each thunderclap cast?
For each TC
keen oasis
for thunderlord, is the cap at 4.5 overall or just for each thunderclap cast?
each cast
jagged pier
for thunderlord, is the cap at 4.5 overall or just for each thunderclap cast?
yes for each cast
golden pollen
thank you, so it seems to be good for m+
keen oasis
yer that or AM
I kinda like the conduit that also increase rage with Last Stand, so I have been wondering about going Bolster
jagged pier
I kinda like the conduit that also increase rage with Last Stand, so I have been...
you use that conguit if your bolster
keen oasis
thank you, so it seems to be good for m+
Thunderlord for M+, The Wall for Raid, Leaper for jumping everywhere outside.
tawny vessel
90% of it comes from play not stats, and anyway ilvl tumps all tbh in terms of w...
So 4 item level is worth giving up 31 haste on an item?
sullen drift
how about into the fray in m+ ?
jagged pier
So 4 item level is worth giving up 31 haste on an item?
if its was 5 id say yes, but it depends tbh on the piece of gear
jagged pier
how about into the fray in m+ ?
you can run it but you loose ravager
keen oasis
you can run it but you loose ravager
or thunderclap dmg and cd reduction
strong forum
Jakey going ham
jagged pier
or thunderclap dmg and cd reduction
you should never be running that
jagged pier
Jakey going ham
am bored
keen oasis
why so?
jagged pier
why so?
because its trash after the nerf and TC got nerfed and its now hard to weave TC into avatar window, and ravager is more damage and rage gen, and ITF is more rage if you can keep the stacks up
pick your reason
keen oasis
Fine fine, I just asked!
hardy fractal
i want to craft thunderlord but i feel like leaper would be much better since kiting is the strat right now
jagged pier
thunderlords will be better 100%
nimble drift
bis weapon enchant?
jagged pier
which ever one you want
nimble drift
whats the single target 1
jagged pier
celestial is cheapest right now
can run celestial, light force or sinful pick your favourite or the cheapest which ever you like
jagged cipher
what level 15 talent are you guys using?
keen oasis
Devastator
If you really hate the playstyle, Punish is "okay".
What soulbind is the best? For Night Fae at least.
jagged pier
what level 15 talent are you guys using?
anything but warmachine is fine, that being said its difficult to weave in devastate casts so devastator is the go too
sullen drift
im running niya with show of force and inspiring presence is that okay?
golden pollen
wouldnt punish be best for raid, devestate best for m+?
keen oasis
In theory amount of resets to Shield Slam you can get out of Devastator is better than small increase in damage reduction.
More resets, more rage, more mitigation.
Especially when you run The Wall in raid.
jagged pier
im running niya with show of force and inspiring presence is that okay?
I would run the covenant conduit instead of show of force
keen oasis
I would run the covenant conduit instead of show of force
Yeah, agreed there. You get those stacks of Niya first ability more often this way.
nova vector
I will mostly be running mythic plus. I’ve already crafted a 190 Thunderbird. Got “The Wall” memory last night. Should I craft it and run both for mythic plus? Or just upgrade Thunderlord?
jagged pier
I will mostly be running mythic plus. I’ve already crafted a 190 Thunderbird. Go...
you can use ither in mythic + only one at a time, and its generally preference to which on you prefer i like the wall others like TL
nova vector
My mistake. I watched a video by Dratnos a week or so ago and thought he indicated you could have more than one.
Maybe that’s something coming with later patches
I didn’t plan to raid any and so already crafted a Thunderbird. But guild tank was a no show last night for Hungering Deatroyer so I went instead and now I have both
undone jacinth
lots of people actually talked about combos, think the limit was not widely understood
both are good just use what u prefer
nova vector
I checked too tanks on raider.io and saw a bunch of both so I assumed it was users choice
undone jacinth
Rio is a little unreliable because a lot of the top guys are raiders
but at the mo it’s fine either way
nova vector
Interestingly enough, also saw several Tormentes Kings which seemed odd. Having a bladder storm go off not allowing you to press other buttons for 5 seconds while tanking seems like a bad idea
undone jacinth
that’s why I said it’s unreliable - they are raiders
ionic fern
@nova vector a lot of dps players tank in m+.
fair berry
BLADDER STORM
undone jacinth
but there are ways you can use signet that can work in a way
undone jacinth
lmao
undone jacinth
sounds like a condition
dense pivot
only one way to find out
wintry jetty
i'm sure some found out already 😛
iron parcel
you keep your previous renown and progress i think
but you need to wait a whole reset before getting the quest to change back
and then one more reset
as in keep if you switch back
you start over with the new covenant
nova vector
On to another topic, what range of dps are y’all pulling in M+? Mine still seems low (but ilvl still only 175, missed the first week 😩). I generally can only manage around 2k avg for a run
amber herald
players with signet probably have a cancel aura macro for bladestorm tied to all of their spells
jagged pier
why?
amber herald
For prot? So that they can use it and not get killed while bladestorming
jagged pier
but u can block and all that during bladestorm so why cancel it?
amber herald
You wouldn't have to cancel it unless you needed to
I'm just saying that's probably how those guys are using it
/cancel aura bladestorm
/cast ignore pain
jagged pier
Im pretty sure you can cast your defensives during bladestorm
inland silo
theres no defensive loss
jagged pier
plus its only 3 seconds
undone jacinth
i'm sure some found out already 😛
when you switch you lose all renown and start from 0 with new cov, but renown catch up is extremely quick, you get 1 from just doing a dungeon
you do also need to rebuild ur cmd table etc though
acoustic stratus
rebuilding the command table, ugh
at least you cant get a worst one than kyrian
sweet summit
U can cast all defensive abilities during bs, even demo shout
wintry jetty
you do also need to rebuild ur cmd table etc though
so basically just lost souls lost?
undone jacinth
anima, souls, renown and buildings is what u lose
wintry jetty
wow anima?
undone jacinth
if u switch back u get it back
wintry jetty
rip 20k, you were already useless but now I have to farm you again
undone jacinth
but it’s tied to ur cov
I mean it’s useless anyway really
just some lost quality of life
undone jacinth
yes renown is extremely easy, I got 1 from almost every dungeon I did and you get them from callings and whatever else
get them from everything it feels like
pine sand
Guys i see on the reflect list that you can reflect dark recital as a dps on council of blood / does it reflect one tick and you have to run or you reflect one tick and you don't even get the link with someone else?
wintry jetty
yes renown is extremely easy, I got 1 from almost every dungeon I did and you ge...
thanks for the intel
undone jacinth
np
wintry jetty
out of curiosity, from where to where did you go?
undone jacinth
venthyr to kyrian
onyx matrix
Ima go necrolords
undone jacinth
condemn was fun but I wanted the potion
onyx matrix
(Sarcasm)
undone jacinth
I would have gone necro if the cd wasn’t 3min for some inexplicable reason
wintry jetty
stop kicking me @onyx matrix I'm already dead 😛
well after I switch, good chance they will buff necro
so there's that
onyx matrix
Yea same dude, the transmog and all is cool but the covenant abilites seems poopi
I hope so
rain dune
So I see everyone drooling over the Hakkar trinket - is it that much better than the shield trinket from raid or is it just that it's more accessible to farm?
onyx matrix
Imagine having the banner on your back
wintry jetty
thing is, I want to play a lot during vacations, and I doubt they change it during christmas "weeks"
undone jacinth
more accessible to farm Morrig
wintry jetty
even banner on your back and off gcd, is still not great compared to others I think
onyx matrix
@wintry jetty are you a necrolord?
undone jacinth
but the scale is ridiculously good
wintry jetty
y
onyx matrix
Is it ok?
wintry jetty
I thought I wouldn't play seriously so fuck it, but now pushing keys so I think I'll switch to kyrian QQ
- arena
onyx matrix
Oof
rain dune
Oh for sure! I like that the raid trinket's on a 1 minute CD myself but I think the shield from the Hakkar one is bigger?
undone jacinth
oh wait what raid trinket were u meaning
rain dune
Sanguine Vintage
undone jacinth
oooh
rain dune
xD Were you thinking Heraldry?
undone jacinth
I was thinking the cheat one
Phoenix blow up of doom thing
vintage is ok but I personally don’t like it, scale is much better
the secondary effect on vintage is just irrelevant
rain dune
the heal? yeah, I gotta check our logs but I don't think it procs much.
undone jacinth
well if you’re using the absorb it’s usually because you’re taking dmg and if ur taking dmg in high content that’s gonna break it, it’s only small
if the absorb isn’t breaking then it’s like what’s the point in it in the first place
west prairie
indomitable or never surrender
west prairie
ok ty
gilded glade
Is shoulders best for The Wall legendary?
signal plover
Generally considered to be yeah
fiery badge
Anyone else feel like punish kind of sucks? Devastator feels smoother
sweet summit
It doesnt suck, but devastator is better yeah
unkempt fox
Hey guys anyone leaped out of overhead slash today? Looks like a nerf but maybe I'm just bad
sweet summit
A what
fierce tendon
like the ability from spires of ascension big mobs??
unkempt fox
First boss ability
heady plaza
Is there an addon or website to check m+ cleara beforehand to see if it'll hit 100%?
unkempt fox
Was consistently leaping last week couldn't do it once today
fierce tendon
I thought that one was a frontal cleave based on where tank is standing at time of cast
fierce tendon
Ah you can leap directly away from it to block dmg which is what v might be saying
might have fixed the ranging
unkempt fox
No can't sidestep it sadly
It's a physical nuke
You could only leap or infernal strike out before
ember inlet
this is fucking insane how bad DPS players are this week in pugs
Like no one knows bosses mechanics
unkempt fox
Afraid got hotfixed
ember inlet
and it is tyrannical week
went to DoS11, perfect pulls, perfect 20% adds before boss
unkempt fox
Why would they know the mechanics they zerged bosses in m0 and week1
ember inlet
on a hakkar mage didnt focus adds
on manastorms nobody have ANY idea what is shadowfury
nobody blocks crystalls
fierce tendon
Yeah de other side seems to be a contentious one
ember inlet
no shit they fucking steamrolled with BLs last week. RIO went up and now they are just breaking the keys with them numbers
fierce tendon
i ran it twice so far on 9 and dps die at every boss lol, like the artificer boss wiped 3 times
just stand in the jumpy portals damnit
fiery badge
Middle of the pack, not as bad as everyone says I suppose. Personally I’m not having any trouble
dense pivot
nice
fiery badge
iirc Prot was “bad” BFA season 1 also
ember inlet
dense pivot
that fotm worship is insane
ember inlet
yea i've been denied a couple of parties because Pwar lmao
fierce tendon
if ur not a dh get out of my m+ reee
ember inlet
same Pwar who can reflect any tankbuster in almost any m_
fierce tendon
we do some crazy aoe dmg tho
fiery badge
If you look at the power keys where all of FOTM try hard live Prot is dead last
*lower
dense pivot
nice clip
fiery badge
But higher keys suddenly we are about it middle of the pack
dense pivot
Idk what happened but looks fun
ember inlet
they buffed up the cleaver boi
with the affix
and he tossed his cleaver into the boss, well they made him to
dense pivot
LOL
unkempt fox
You don't care if it's your own key 
ember inlet
they've been CCing that bud to infinity and buffing with affix
fierce tendon
what a skip
uncut finch
hey guys
quick question .. how do you guys track if spell reflect worked? I don't see it in my combat log
lucid holly
it makes a noise /shrug
uncut finch
does it? I guess I have to put my game volume up
lucid holly
yeah it go like pshwhwspwshwsw
uncut finch
lol
strong forum
Your buff gets consumed
If you have the buff for the full duration, you didn't reflect anything
If the buff vanishes before the timer runs out, reflected something
Unless you know what you can and can't reflect
There are also Weakauras that show you how much dmg you did with a reflect
And details also tracks it
uncut finch
The same applies to the absorb the SR does?
strong forum
SR reduces magic dmg only if the buff is active
You get the 20% magic Dr as long as the buff is up, if the buff gets consumed by reflecting something, you lose the 20%DR
uncut finch
I see. thanks for the explanation
open monolith
Dear Santa,
Please give me a 220 Shield or Hakkar trinket in my christmas vault.
Sincerely,
A Very Good Boy
open monolith
that would be fine
I'd choose Hakkar
I have a 200 shield and a 171 hakkar
E Z CHOICE
turns out the Kael'Thas trinket, while pretty objectively doodoo, is pretty gosh darn good for m+ pugs
it has saved a key 3 times for me now lol
floral steppe
Hello, what is the best spé for donjon
open monolith
yes
sweet summit
undone sun
open monolith
the red lines are really helpful, thank you Erga
sweet summit
thanks i worked really hard on them
open monolith
I can tell. I really appreciate the time and care you put into helping others.
muted pendant
https://clips.twitch.tv/AcceptableLuckyCormorantDoritosChip xD
I like his boss ability timer - what is it? WAY better thant the usual progress bar from big/little wigs
fierce tendon
I like his boss ability timer - what is it? WAY better thant the usual progress ...
looks like base elvui
you can change the size and location of the cast bar for boss
vocal bison
Anyone else having an issue on Necrotic Wake Surgeon Stitchflesh when sometimes he'll randomly summon two adds back to back instead of one? Not sure if it's a mechanic we're messing up sometimes and not realizing it or it's a bug. Last night the 2nd time he got pulled down he summoned 2 adds. Did it again shortly after and he only summoned 1 like he normally does.
fierce tendon
he spawned them at the same time?
vocal bison
yea
open monolith
as far as I know, he only chain-summons adds when hooks miss
vocal bison
we didn't miss any hooks, so maybe it was just a bug then
fierce tendon
that's the only time that I ever had 2 up but not at the same time, I'd say bug yeah
open monolith
I have only done NW 9 this week, but we got him down to 10% before he jumped back
never had more than 1 add up
are you 100% sure you didn't miss any hooks?
including the hook on his fixate?
vocal bison
pretty sure, we were still hooking him even when he's on the floor, the second add that spawned at the same time looked a bit different though too, it was like bigger with extra spikes, wish I had screenshot it
sick sentinel
i've been struggling to find effort needed for a worthwhile chest on tuesday
fierce tendon
I just wanna get through a 10 without having everyone die 5 times
the tyran mechanics aren't that hard
sick sentinel
tyranical is rarely the issue, can be
vocal bison
I've been avoiding plaguefall this week, i can't find a group that can all stay alive to tentacles at the end during a non-tyrannical week
screw 40% extra health
sick sentinel
its a big awareness check too
fierce tendon
the tentacles are literally potato mechanic though
theres nothing else going on lmfao
quiet sandal
yeah i did 11 last night and it seemed hard to heal through
sick sentinel
potatoes really hurt if they are shot at you out of a cannon...
quiet sandal
had no disease dispells
timed it easily though, it's not that bad a dungeon on tyrannical
but it's a healer week as always
pale lotus
kin-tara in spires, how do you mitigate overhead slash?
vocal bison
you can sidestep it
quiet sandal
u can block it too
sick sentinel
i did nothing but mythic + last expansion prot warrior, may end up going that way again, but i hope not
and even then i only managed all 15 timed achievements by 8.3
quiet sandal
m+ is my favorite content
vocal bison
if you strafe left/right as soon as you see the overhead slash cast you're good
shut summit
Should still aim to have some mitigation up too, are two parts to that shitty spell
One you always get hit by, one you can sidestep
sick sentinel
don't take advice i say too seriously guys, i still click and backpedal and die to all the dumb stuff
pale lotus
so always try to have block and ignore pain up when getting slashed?
or are we talking one of our CDs?
quiet sandal
block
shut summit
It's based on her energy too if you don't have boss addon/timers
muted pendant
looks like base elvui
his interface is elvui but the ability timer on the right where it shows a vertical Progressbar with the symbols going down and showing the cast time, thats not elvui
fierce tendon
sick sentinel
CN world first resumes 🙂
fierce tendon
oh my b pompe
sick sentinel
they working on M sludgefist last i saw he is the rock
muted pendant
oh my b pompe
nvm, thanks though
thorny mortar
Should i make thunderlord on boots or hands?
fierce tendon
Someone made a point of bis raid drop being on hands I THINK. I'd check that
So I'd say feet
astral crystal
yeah sco reformed and said they'd be heavy into w1st race by the end of the expac
open monolith
I'm so confused about the Method situation. Every site says something different
astral crystal
it still exists, just the org expired i think
open monolith
"Sco is complicit he knew everything" "Sco only protected his player when there was no evidence provided"
someone tell me what to think.
thorny mortar
Someone made a point of bis raid drop being on hands I THINK. I'd check that
thanks
fierce tendon
I think that a bunch of gamers should have never been left in charge of orgs. They weren't equipped to deal with drama and shit of that caliber lmao
thorny mortar
I think that a bunch of gamers should have never been left in charge of orgs. Th...
I think that's the main takeaway
They essentially didnt have a professional HR team
open monolith
Preheat was a dick, but I don't think he deserved to get OMEGACANCELED the way he did
neat root
Same I got the 213 gloves from the weekly quest feelsgood
timber lagoon
I got gluttonous spike. Not sure how to feel about it
sudden tapir
Yeaaaaaaaa, I'm keeping in the bags for hopefully a hotfix that buffs it 😄
timber lagoon
I got a 187 anima field and darkmoon voracity so I'm not sure if it's a side grade or just 💩
dense pivot
nice 🙂
timber lagoon
Yeah? I've heard mixed things. I used it last night and it did alright dmg and healing
vague abyss
What makes it so great, I’ve got one in my bank, but, it seems to sim very low, even for dps specs.
open monolith
what makes it so great is that I Read somewhere that it is great and I'm a sheep who doesn't think for himself.
it might not be
sick sentinel
trying to get as many 171 or above conduits now, got my the wall, only 190 but i got a lego
beat lvl 8 torghast, gotta get into m+ or raiding now
timber lagoon
Lol @open monolith
open monolith
I know who I am.
west adder
whats better for high m+ content the wall or thunderlord?
elfin lark
west adder
ok thanks
bleak chasm
Hey guys, so is Venthyr doable for prot? I plan on picking up arms for pvp but still wanted to be able to tank m+ as prot. I was seeing that the highest rated tank war on raiderio was venth and was wondering if it's even a big deal.
kindred warren
Stuck with a shitty hc 1 hander, is pvp 1h just as good as mythic?
kindred warren
Yeah it’s not the worst I do it as prot/vent but it’s definitely not optimal
Thanks Erga
vocal bison
Someone roast me
Chest to deck on those pushups son - boom roasted!
And damn that shammy healer pumping on H Inerva
my heart breaks for you - 145 piercing verdict, rng is a cruel mistress
open monolith
that sludgefist kill though
chilly brook
my heart breaks for you - 145 piercing verdict, rng is a cruel mistress
Its unfortunate but I'll live
glass mural
sonic tangle
coral marsh
guys theater of pain last boss tyrannic
what should i do when kick adds spawn
how do you stack
do you need to taunt them?
neat root
Pray your group stacks up correctly.
neat root
as close as possible without overlap
I dunno man that fights always a shit show with adds.
tardy sequoia
hello everyone, i got a question to ask
neat root
Probably cant this week and depending on key, but hero and c/ds on pull you can burst her past her first adds
tardy sequoia
do you follow mdt dratnos routes?
i follow them, especially which packs to pull, but people still complain about how much packs to pull.
in pug, people seem aren't able to do one pack at a time
so my question is: am i pulling too much (so dratnos routes are only for pro) or are people making some mistakes?
dark mountain
Sometimes ya gotta use your common sense
coral marsh
i need a dungeon to +12 for the weekly
but so many keys die on last boss
im getting aids
remote briar
I like his boss ability timer - what is it? WAY better thant the usual progress ...
@muted pendant https://wago.io/Nle4hrM8W https://wago.io/B1pfxTOtb might be one of these two, i use the pho guild one
oh man
sorry for the picture links
vocal bison
so my question is: am i pulling too much (so dratnos routes are only for pro) or...
At this stage it really seems like DPS makes or breaks dungeons, if you are doing general pugs there's probably a high chance the group doesn't have strong all-around dps for multiple group pulls
muted pendant
<@!234643143570620417> https://wago.io/Nle4hrM8W https://wago.io/B1pfxTOtb might...
Thanks!
tardy sequoia
Sometimes ya gotta use your common sense
Like for example in sanguine depths or de other side, dratnos says you gotta pull both packs at the entrance, but sometimes my group really struggles to stay alive
and by following i struggle too
my fear is that if I didn't pull packs as written, we wouldn't make it in time.
dark mountain
You have to look at your group
chilly brook
I mean tbh
dark mountain
Sometimes you’ll be able to pull more sometimes less
chilly brook
With how m+ is tuned atm
dark mountain
Like at the start of necrotic wake
chilly brook
Doing more than one pack at a time is kinda inting
dark mountain
The first pull is two packs and i take those
But the second is three very spread
So those i take one at a time
You lose more time by trying to get them all and wiping to a ninja than just killing them
open monolith
do I spy DOUBLE PROT WARR in Limit's comp right now for generals?
tardy sequoia
The first pull is two packs and i take those
same!! but assuming i'm assuming my cooldowns correctly, we wipe, especially in this week
dark mountain
I generally use the drat routes as indicators for count and which mobs to pull
Ye it’s hard
I play veng dj so it’s a bit more free for me
wispy river
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tardy sequoia
Doing more than one pack at a time is kinda inting
so why dratnos writes those guides if aren't correct?
open monolith
I agree
dark mountain
They are an indicator to use for ppl who don’t wanna make their own
muted pendant
dont do those double pulls with randoms
open monolith
just because some of the absolute best players out there can do it, doesn't mean you can 😉
dark mountain
Communicate with your group about cds and stuff
chilly brook
Like literally how you do m+ rn is pull a pack at a time and dont die
If you dont die you basically guarentee a key upgrade
dark mountain
His routes are made for weekly +15 (when they get easy) and not top players
tardy sequoia
just because some of the absolute best players out there can do it, doesn't mean...
this is just negative. i'm trying to improve.
chilly brook
this is just negative. i'm trying to improve.
You dont improve by trying to do advanced stuff right away
dark mountain
The best way to improve is watching better ppl and rewatch yourself
Like watching naowh or some other streamers like him
See what they do
chilly brook
You improve by looking at what you can actually do and what you're doing and work towards bettering that
tardy sequoia
Like literally how you do m+ rn is pull a pack at a time and dont die
that's how I'm playing at the moment.. one f*ing pack at a time
dark mountain
Communicate with your group
tardy sequoia
The best way to improve is watching better ppl and rewatch yourself
yeah i'm watching youtube but they do big pulls...
chilly brook
Then once you hit a point where you're doing everything you possibly can then you look ar external things
No one is doing big pulls in keys
dark mountain
If your fire mage has comboost up and you pull one pack it’s trolling
chilly brook
Wadu
tardy sequoia
No one is doing big pulls in keys
sorry for big pulls i mean "more than one pack at a time"
chilly brook
Unless they got big blasters with CDs
sand kestrel
I usually will try a multi pack pull and if it is a rough go j adjust the pace based on group
open monolith
If your fire mage has combust up, but isn't in voice chat and can't coordinate anything with you, and it's just a PUG, pulling one pack is fine.
dire jolt
at what point would you guys say you need to start regularly pulling more than 1 pack at once to comfortably time keys? Timers honestly feel a little tight for me pugging +5/+6s lately pulling 1 at a time
dark mountain
Yeah but pugging without coordination is the best way to never get high keys done
open monolith
meh. i always got my +15s done in pugs in previous expansions, usually in the first 3 weeks or so
anything beyond a 15 is something i'm not interested in anyway
granite cloud
Alright so question
dark mountain
We are a lot weaker atm than other expac starts
tardy sequoia
i'm really feeling "not up to it" if i pull one pack at a time
open monolith
I only felt weak during the first week because of fortified.
tardy sequoia
but if you say that in pug it's the way to do it atm, i will listen
open monolith
feel much better this week
sand kestrel
I usually list a temp voice chat link for discord and you will be surprised how many people will join during pugs. They may not have mics but they can listen to calls/kick coordination
placid oar
Hi guys, can I ask on any tips for Dealer Xy’exa?
granite cloud
Was tanking Nathrua last night and during the tank swaps in running into an issue where I'm not pulling the boss off fully, but its close in like 1% off from the percentage i need to swap
placid oar
It’s seems that my team keeps dying from the arcane vulnerability
open monolith
your team probably isn't passing it around correctly
placid oar
I did spell reflect but my team keeps dying
open monolith
it jumps to the closest person
placid oar
Is there a way for the debuff to drop by itself?
placid oar
So they immediate just pass it on?
My team was trying out the strat of staying spreader and let it fall off
Cos they are all range
open monolith
what? no
it lasts 9 seconds
then it jumps to the next person
Person A has it and should stand next to person B
person B now has it and should go stand next to person C
Person C now has it and should pass it to person D
etc
placid oar
So for melee they will have to do that as well?
Will it drop onto the tank?
I understand ur sequence btw Sock, very logical
open monolith
it will drop onto whoever is closest.
open monolith
I'm pretty sure the debuff only lasts 12 seconds
placid oar
It does
open monolith
so if you pass it around properly, it isn't a problem.
12 second debuff, 9 second DOT
so 3 people can effectively neutralize this mechanic if they do it right.
placid oar
Thank you Sock
median badge
when somebody advertises a chill run in group finder does that imply they aren't worried about the timer
native coyote
usually yes. or at least that they aren't pushing hard. those are the groups I like when learning.
wicked shuttle
any tank wanna join?
west prairie
is there any reason to keep lower conduits
plain vapor
Sanguine depths gross
open monolith
what do you mean "keep lower conduits"
when you learn a higher level conduit, it replaces the lower level one
and you can't get duplicates (unless you have them sitting in your bag like a doofus)
cold zealot
Does the Gluttonous Spike trinket from hungering destroyer have any value for prot?
mental scarab
soo anyone haver macro for say using healthstones and potion on the same key?:P
sweet summit
/use Healthstone
/use Spiritual Healing Potion
mental scarab
okej
sweet summit
i wont even recommend the first macro 🤷♂️
fierce tendon
Sanguine depths gross
if u have a venthyr sd is amazingly easy with the buff pots lol
had a run where we stacked it up to 9 and cleared half the Kaal gauntlet at the same time
open monolith
i've never once had someone use those
either because venthyr bois don't exist, or they don't know what to do with them
fierce tendon
yup actually using them is insane
the little puppies that run down the hall stack the buff too, so you can grab the like 7 pack of sword dudes and 4 dogs and get a full stack which is 50% dmg and 50% healing buff
eager flame
Yo, anyone have tested Tormented Kings ?
sweet summit
yes
vestal cypress
Is it just me or everyone’s ravager don’t proc anything with signet?
sweet summit
correct
fierce tendon
yeah its bad
fierce tendon
1 min
open monolith
and how long do you have to kill things near the pot?
fierce tendon
like 15ish seconds? I didn't count it but it was open for a while
open monolith
that is so much more complicated than every other dungeon buff lol
click thing, get thing
fierce tendon
yeah it is
brisk rain
what last row talent do you use in m+?
sweet summit
bolster mostly
AM+the wall in some dungeons like DoS ive heard is good
havent tried it myself tho
but i trust nomeratur
brisk rain
ok
open monolith
AM for low keys when I'm confident I won't get my shit pushed in
I'm a TL rank 3 boi, though
hardy fractal
prot war saying bm is worst tank in the game right now 🤔
open monolith
probably gonna go rank 4 before I even craft the wall
sweet summit
fierce tendon
no haven't u seen the icyveins tier list we're garbage guys
open monolith
tank tier lists written by DPS player l o l e
shut summit
😬
fierce tendon
cold zealot
Does the Gluttonous Spike trinket from hungering destroyer have any value for prot?
brisk rain
we are c tier cuz we are extra crispy
open monolith
I mean, we probably are the worst tank class right now, but they're all so incredibly close it doesn't matter.
sick sentinel
we haven't seen full topped out big dick tanks with giga sockets and buffs
that will make the difference, and maybe if they get focused on race to world first M CN,
the right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world, so if they see a prot warrior wiping, everyone assume PW bad
open monolith
don't just casually quote half life like that
open monolith
it isn't.
defensively, all of the tanks are pretty similar, and Prot is actually one of the tankier (tankiest for physical)
hardy fractal
thats the feedback ive heard from healers
open monolith
VDH makes everything die faster
open monolith
No tank mixes with magic damage
that is such a trap argument
VDH is overtuned and basically a 4th DPS
so everything dies hyper fast
ionic fern
VDH has passive Magic DR + a AoE silence + big self heals + ridiculous damage currently.
open monolith
and thus, fewer gaps in mitigation
sick sentinel
prot warrior will always be strong in m+ due to critical block and insane armor values, if it is played correctly
80% +incoming damage is melee
fierce tendon
how much dmg can a vdh do st? My aoe is like regularly 4-5k but st is trash lol
sick sentinel
VDH is nice too because mobility and won't take fall dmg as easily
opal shore
New to prot warrior and planning on tanking m+, whats a better legendary to go for, the wall or the t-clap one that reduces demo shout cd
opal shore
Ah ok ty
timber lagoon
I only made one of those, but I chose to do with the Wall for m+. The reduced SW time is good, but I really like the more consistent rage generation from 5 extra rage per SS
Feels smoother
jagged pier
New to prot warrior and planning on tanking m+, whats a better legendary to go f...
its literally preference tbh, i would suggest making both at rank1 then choosing the ilvl is nice but the effect is what you really want
sick sentinel
on spires you can get stuck in an infinite falling loop
on final boss
you don't take damage so you dont die and you can hit your buttons but you are in capable of movement or heroic leap. to platform
night tusk
Just wanting to double check this. Is there a soft cap on Haste for prots and if there is what percent?
jagged pier
Just wanting to double check this. Is there a soft cap on Haste for prots and if...
106% so you aint gunna hit it
chilly brook
how much dmg can a vdh do st? My aoe is like regularly 4-5k but st is trash lol
Vengeance single target isn't good fairly similar to DK
@ionic fern this shield wall reduction is nuts with the conduit
I still need to use it more though tbh
quaint fjord
hello, sorry for noobish question but is bargast leash good? i got it ilvl 213 in my chest i had a 171 one before but i'm not sure about using it in MM with a healer that is not aware
lavish oracle
Real talk, who the fuck would put BDK above prot warrior?
lavish oracle
Well, yeah, they're a reactive tank
the on demand healing is their whole shtick
it never scales well
chilly brook
Real talk, who the fuck would put BDK above prot warrior?
Imo people who don't understand how the tanks actually work
open monolith
bdk is the true doodoo tier tank this expansion
sick sentinel
my old gm was a dk, and he would constantly take spike dmg
chilly brook
bdk has on demand healing
That healing is largely irrelevant
They still take a lot of healing from the raid healers
Especially rn
open monolith
@quaint fjord i have never heard anyone say good things about that trinket. I have no personal experience with it myself
you're basically forcing a blessing of sacrifice on someone else 😮
chilly brook
You're having to put in so much extra effort for a worse result with DK
quaint fjord
yes, and i think fi i play with a non premade guy it might be wrong to do it lol
lavish oracle
on top of that BDK had absolutely absurd DPS issues
I don't know if that's still true
chilly brook
Still does
sick sentinel
really feels bad when ur 21 minutes into m+ dungeon and you get stuck
chilly brook
It's like having a giant structural crack in your foundation and patching 4% of it
That was the damage buff
open monolith
You know what I want? Not having to decide between desperately mashing IP to stay alive or spending my rage to pump instead 😦
i just want to pump. Let me pump. 😦
barren socket
what content you guys running?
I feel so much safer in my war, my prot pala feels like i'm going to die any second
strong forum
+12-14s and HC/Myth raid
surreal thunder
armor slot to put thunderlords in?
strong forum
doesnt really matter, both have the same stat budget, most popular slot are boots
surreal thunder
doesnt really matter, both have the same stat budget, most popular slot are boot...
thx
chilly brook
You know what I want? Not having to decide between desperately mashing IP to sta...
Imagine being a paladin and just being able to pump
lavish oracle
I mean, to be fair, I'm generating so much rage right now, sometimes I feel like I don't have enough globals to dump it all 😄
strong forum
well paladin also has to choose between mitigating or healing
chilly brook
It's not really a choice most of the time @strong forum
lavish oracle
Mitigate with holy power, heal when it's free, usually
lavish oracle
The tuning for sludgefist seems absurd for a week 1 kill
He'll probably just fall over next week but like on a pull that clean having to use immunities during enrage to kill the boss is kinda insane
chilly brook
He'll get nerfed
buoyant patrol
Hey
Main arms and off tank m+
Would you recommend to craft the thunder leg? For m+ or signet suffice if I want to aim for keys in the 12-14 range?
(Currently doing 10s with signet)
sturdy sable
You don't need a legendary for keys
It helps
But id say signet fine if your not a prot main. Just make a prot leggo when you have free dust
quiet sandal
yeah the prot legendaries won't make or break your run
twin sorrel
hey guys -- is condemn just straight up terrible for prot, or is there something I'm missing?
buoyant patrol
ok thanks
thought that the wall or thunder might make runs a bit smoother as you get DS more often or more rage
quiet sandal
it's not terrible
twin sorrel
i've been using signet in M+ -- i think its fine if you plan around bladestorm
buoyant patrol
ok thanks
thought that the wall or thunder might make runs a bit smoother as you get DS more often or more rage
twin sorrel
thunder is prolly the best but its just super boring
tulip crane
I just want to run some M+ to try out my new legendary. Haven't had much playtime this week.
lavish valve
Evening chaps. Does it make a big difference if I make The Wall legendary in the back slot instead of the shoulder slot?
tulip crane
Honestly, unless you're min/maxing for world firsts, I don't really think it matters. The stat differences are negligible between slots. Even a ring vs legs isn't that far off in sims.
Most people just look at what pieces of gear are available in the current raid and adjust based on those.
lavish valve
Cool, I figured it would be something like that. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything obvious. Thanks very much
woven kiln
how do you guys deal with the overhead slash on Kin-Tara (SoA) on high keys?
ionic fern
Side step it.-
woven kiln
trying, keep getting clipped
the cast doesn't give me enough time, does she freeze momentarily before?
woven kiln
oh really
journal just says it is a cone of physical damage
on 14s it's a near one shot
ionic fern
Jep.
woven kiln
cool, I was planning a horrible strat of running circles around her
I'll just reduce the full hit
signal plover
BUt stepping to the side reduces the damage by a lot.
Wait what how tf does this work...
I've been sidestepping it but it's so sketch
quiet sandal
there's 2 parts of damag
strong forum
it has 2 dmg components
quiet sandal
one can be sidestepped
the other one hits u no matter what
so u want to block the hit even while sidestepping
quiet sandal
yep
misty lintel
does signet not work with prot-ravager?
shut summit
no
misty lintel
so tanking is extra fun with signet and venthyr
cinder nova
Are we actually using Signet or is it just DPS legendary?
misty lintel
i'm dps main, just get forced to tank some m+ 😦
formal river
Only alpha prot mains are venthyr
strong forum
i'm dps main, just get forced to tank some m+ 😦
its very bad for prot
ionic fern
?
twin sorrel
for an offspec i mean, if you're a prot main then def not
open monolith
the best way to deal with Kintara is to take bounding strides and the leaper legendary
just heroic leap them all, poggers
tepid mantle
So I keep getting pulled around in circles on the best stat priority for prot warriors. What seems to be the best stat priority right now?
Im thinking Haste>Vers>Crit>Mast but im also seeing people say its better to Haste>Crit>Vers>Mast.
strong forum
ilvl > haste >> vers=crit>mastery
nimble drift
Nomeratur what's your haste % at
tepid mantle
Im 11% Haste now
nimble drift
I used to be like 21% but ever since I start prioing ilvl I've dropped to, like, 17%
tepid mantle
10.88 to be exact
strong forum
19.58%
open monolith
I'm at 25% 😮
strong forum
huge gamer
thin surge
Why are you putting mastery as last?
strong forum
its the least defensive gain
glacial skiff
So with thunderlord what’s the suggested build? Ravager or into the fray?
sweet summit
both are good tbh
open monolith
ITF for single target fights for sure
sweet summit
most prefer ravager i think
open monolith
ravager for anything else
strong forum
ITF for raid, Ravager for muh+
open monolith
i take ravager for like, 7/10 of the encounters in the raid
glacial skiff
I feel with booming voice and thunderlord I have more rage so I’m inclined to take ITF, but there’s some bosses/packs I feel awful on since nobody stacks with me. ☹️
open monolith
ravager feels so good against Denathrius
nimble drift
My favorite thing about the Syrian steward is being able to change my talents
glacial skiff
Also I’m talking m+ lol
open monolith
you can still take ravager with Booming voice thunder lord o.o
glacial skiff
Yes?
lavish oracle
Ran ITF in raid the other day, felt really good
open monolith
ITF feels like it does literally nothing in m+, imo
I don't notice the difference at all
where as popping down a ravager feels real good
I know it objectively does do a thing
glacial skiff
Ravager itself feels mediocre, but the rage gain is noticeable.
open monolith
just doesn't feel like it
glacial skiff
Also since I’m venthyr
lavish oracle
I ran it in some low keys with friends the other day, felt fine, but I def prefer Ravager for keys
glacial skiff
So I lack a lot of on demand rage.
They really need to just make prot’s execute a generator like prot paladin. Just copy/paste it from fury’s toolkit
And give it a cd. Boom problem solved
lavish oracle
Ravager + unnerving focus feels like infinite rage, haha
sand kestrel
Ravager plus spear and start pumping that aoe damage feels way good
glacial skiff
Is that the last stand conduit?
lavish oracle
Yeah
glacial skiff
Personally I enjoy the revenge/tclap conduit with the ignore pain conduit
Or if I used the other soulbind I’d go with the rallying cry one
lavish oracle
The IP conduit seems super underwhelming
ionic fern
All of them are underwhelming.
glacial skiff
The shield wall conduit seems really weak atm, at least without the wall/am but I could see synergy there with all 3
ripe leaf
does warrior feel like glorified guardian druid at max level (rotation feeling i mean). Currently lvl 52 and it's so slow even with %22 haste 😦
glacial skiff
The IP one is just free healing essentially.
lavish oracle
Eh, even with just the Wall that's like 6 less shield slams you need to cast
To get SW back
glacial skiff
Need?
glacial skiff
But you want to cast SS lol
lavish oracle
Yes, but now you cast it fewer times and get SW back
ionic fern
But as i said..they are all pretty underwhelming
open gazelle
How’s is mists considered an “easy key”? All 3 bosses sucks ass on tyrannical.. HoA is much easier imo all you have to do is kite the gorgon packs
sand kestrel
Anyone tried seismic reverberation legendary yet? It sims well for dps...seems like a fun meme build if you had the ash sitting around.
glacial skiff
That’s my opinion too. It’s rage gained when you don’t really need it
open gazelle
DOA is easy too except manastorms
glacial skiff
Additionally it’s only a slight dps gain if anything
lavish oracle
I mean, I don't mind turning last stand into a huge CD
glacial skiff
Now if they changed it to give extra rage when last stand is on CD. 😉
That would be amazing
open monolith
i don't think any of the bosses in mists are hard
none of them... like... actually do anything
lavish oracle
Wait, which mists boss is hard?
open monolith
i guess second boss is hard if your whole group is mouth breathers who can't do the puzzle
open gazelle
The first boss is hard imo
open monolith
and third boss is hard if your whole group is mouth breathers who can't interrupt consume or parasite
open gazelle
If you don’t have dos pumpers
lavish oracle
Maybe if you have like 0 CC for the fox, too
open monolith
wat? all the puddles get cleared up when you unshackle big boi
you... you do know you're supposed to focus big boi, right?
open gazelle
Well I was doing a +12
lavish oracle
The boss arena is also huge
open gazelle
So maybe it diff for lower keys
open monolith
was your dps like, omega bad?
open monolith
were you watching the meters?
open gazelle
Had fire mages that pumped
open monolith
I could see that fight being hard if they did sub 3k dps
open gazelle
Just ran out of fing room
lavish oracle
I haven't run it on tyr but I can't imagine space getting tight in there
open gazelle
Maybe one dps was focusing on wrong target? Idek
open monolith
the E in your idk
is killing me
please stop, I have a family
my daughter needs me
open gazelle
I just like HoA and dos so much better
open monolith
yeah sounds like one of your DPS was fucking up super bad
lavish oracle
"I Don't even know"?
open monolith
"I don't even knit"
lavish oracle
Well sure, but CC ing it makes it brain dead
glacial skiff
One could but it’s not
lavish oracle
Root/poly ignore has been my strat for the fox
glacial skiff
When you say CC X in a dungeon are you asking for it to be slowed? No
lavish oracle
Worst case storm bolt or intimidate
open monolith
context matters
chilly brook
But as i said..they are all pretty underwhelming
Well shield wall conduit doesn't seem all that underwhelming when you factor in the wall/am but on it's own yes they're all fairly underwhelming
lavish oracle
Last boss is the only one I could see being a problem with adds killing people who refuse to kite
open monolith
I don't even know what the last boss does, lol
break shield, interrupt consumes
interrupt every parasite
little bugs that fixate
green swirlies
ionic fern
Yes, it's solid IF you take The Wall / AM.
glacial skiff
Yeah, the green ooze on the ground is kinda bad sometimes.
I absolutely hate that it moves but whatever
ionic fern
We're talking Conduits separately.
chilly brook
Yep, but I'd agree that without those it's not great
open monolith
it moves in a very predictable way
it always moves in the way you dodged the last time.
lavish oracle
Oh, really? Neat
chilly brook
I honestly need to pay more attention and figure out what the actual reduction in CD is
With those 3
glacial skiff
Hmmm, has anyone mathed out how low you can get SW CD with the conduit/the wall/AM?
ionic fern
~60s
lavish oracle
You can get it like sub one minute if you get a lot of SS procs
glacial skiff
Oh. SW is 5 mins right?
lavish oracle
4
glacial skiff
Oh, still that’s pretty bad
ionic fern
No, you turn the CD int a 60s CD.
glacial skiff
I assume that’s taking ravager for the extra rage too?
chilly brook
That's good lmao
lavish oracle
75% CDR is absurd
glacial skiff
OHH. So that could probably be a decent play in M+ then
chilly brook
ITF honestly seems like the move
For AM
And the wall
More haste=more autos=more resets
glacial skiff
Nah, you could burn through rage with ravager more easily
chilly brook
The wall is the biggest CDR
glacial skiff
Actually, you’re right
lavish oracle
We have a lot of options, really
chilly brook
One IP is 4 seconds off
glacial skiff
I just realized the wall has better cdr than AM lol
chilly brook
1 shield slam is 5 seconds off
open monolith
The actual best tank talent is recruiting DPS who interrupt appropriately
chilly brook
^^
open monolith
that's our #1 survivability talent
lavish oracle
True
lavish oracle
tru
glacial skiff
Give arms/fury shockwave baseline again and gg
lavish oracle
Please
glacial skiff
Or even talented lmao
chilly brook
Give rumbling earth baseline again
lavish oracle
I don't even remember why they took it away
chilly brook
Still don't understand why they separated that from shockwave
glacial skiff
Just make SB baseline. It is kinda shit that you have to choose
Or different tiers. Nobody will choose rumbling over SB
glacial skiff
They were different tiers weren’t they?
ionic fern
No.
smoky wave
Most likely thing that'll happen is they'll roll rumbling back onto shockwave and make it the talent instead.
finite prairie
What are you guys doing for adds on Amarth? I've just been jumping around and tagging/ravager/interrupting and relying on group to help interrupt to group. It works fine but feels sloppy. Is there a good spot to tank him and maybe LoS them?
open monolith
which one is amarth
finite prairie
The second boss in necrotic. Spawns 4 or 5 adds
lavish oracle
We use one of the orbs usually
chilly brook
open monolith
depends on the group. Have a ranged interrupt or CC the casters. Round up the warriors and take them to the crossbowman
chilly brook
^
lavish oracle
And then yeah, after the orb, I just call kicks
open monolith
I have a hunter in my group all the time, so misdirect is my friend
finite prairie
Yeah thats what I've been doing. Raveger/leap interrupt caster taunt melee try to get 3 or so in a group and move on
Just wondering if there was a good spot to tank boss that makes it easier
lavish oracle
You can taunt/leap/taunt if you need to, also
eternal musk
what i do is just move the boss 1st to as many mobs as you can try to spam to get threat up and spell reflect right away
because they cast
lavish oracle
You can also tank the boss towards the stairs to restrict the space the adds can spawn
finite prairie
Ah yeah
lavish oracle
If you tank him where he stands they're all over the place
eternal musk
cool didnt know that hehe
anyone having trouble tanking 10+ and above keys ? feels bad man underperforming compared to monks/pallies/dh
finite prairie
I honestly have not seen or heard anything about BM monks at all and figured I would see a lot of them early in expansion
lavish oracle
I'm having a hard time because I'm bad, mostly. My healer buddy says I'm way easier to keep up than most of the DHs he heals
sonic tangle
My cotank is a bm and he was absolute 🐶 💩 til he crafted his lego the other day
chilly brook
Class representation doesnt mean dog in terms of performance or capability
eternal musk
o ok
finite prairie
DH seems to be performing really well in high end content with very coordinated groups. Much harder pug. Pallies are OP in random groups because they don't have to rely on group for interrupts and can cheese like no other
open monolith
class representation just shows how all the metachasers get off to tier lists
eternal musk
true i can see that
chilly brook
Literally 8.0
open monolith
Prot warrior is not the objectively worst tank for m+
it might be like.. objectively second worst
but it ISNT the worst 😄
eternal musk
its just i feel we have a much harder time than other tanks juggling shield block uptime even with bolster talent and then when my cds are down the need to kite is hard with 1 leap and an intervene in some cases
im not saying its impossible at all
open monolith
intimidating shout in emergencies, though that can be dangerous
eternal musk
i use everything in my toolkit
open monolith
at least you're not a wheelchair DK tank 🙂
eternal musk
hahaahah
i cant lie it is very fun and engaging playing prot
i feel like they need a bit of tuning though maybe im just bitching
open monolith
you are kinda just bitching 😉
lavish oracle
Pally mitigation is absolute dogshit so they won't scale, I have no idea why DK is seeing so much play, Bear should have way more players
eternal musk
hahahaahah
open monolith
Tanking in a bad group is always hard.
chilly brook
Everyone talked about how shit warrior was in 8.0, but they were just as tanky and did huge damage in 8.0 the two reasons why they became top dogs in 8.1 @eternal musk
eternal musk
true
sand kestrel
I was leveling a BM monk as my tank alt but I find the playstyle just boring. I might do prot pally instead and just pump some deeps
finite prairie
I am doing better every day. I feel like we are on the edge of being easily overturned with a few small buffs. Shield block is really powerful for an on demand mitigation...for me the biggest difference I see in feeling bad vs feeling good is when I use shield block efficiently...as in not wasting it in times I'm not getting attacked.
eternal musk
i was leveling bm too but the playstyle is just boring as hell
warrior u actually feel like sword and shield smasher
eternal musk
hahaha
also for example
deathspeaker mobs in de other side
on 10 and above
pretty much 1 shot with me
even with spell reflect kiting i cant even pull the casters in
so its a sloppy kitefest
while im trying to hold threat
just a small example
find myself running around against those a LOT
finite prairie
Dearh speakers are a bitch
eternal musk
yeh heh
lavish oracle
Having kicks for those is important, yeah
finite prairie
The knockback ability is a wipe if you get hit generally
eternal musk
defintiely agree
finite prairie
You can't take your focus off them and cast bar, but all the death lotus going off make it hard to position
eternal musk
yup its a shit show i mean i could potentially save all my cooldowns and pop them for that trashpack and use the urn on the next deathspeaker
i guess thats the best way
finite prairie
I use cds on that pack
finite prairie
You don't need them again for a while
eternal musk
also the last boss in there
hurts me bad
hits like a truck
but maybe because im not timing my mitigation for his melee bursts
o well back to running keys today lets see if i can time some 10s goodluck everyone
o hey guys 1 more question
im seeing a LOT of top mythic+ prot warriors
using signet of tormented kings legendary
i already upgraded my thunderlord but have the signet and the wall legendary runecarves
is signet the only way to go now to be competitive?
seems like its op
i guess they use it to bump up the dps but if i switch that my demo shout uptime will go from 40% back to 19%ish
sweet summit
they use singet cos they main dps in raid
proven glen
Signet works with prot warrior?
eternal musk
haste versatitlity i use
echo wigeon
alright thx