Pretty sure hes offspecing prot for m+
#protection
sleek thorn
Yea I couldn't see it being better than thunderlord. Since you're mostly kiting anyway
coral marsh
wall or thunderlord for keys in the 15 range?
coral marsh
wall sounds to be better especially on tyrannic weeks?
undone jacinth
maybe, not sure it makes that much difference
isn't really legendaries blocking pushing atm imo
coral marsh
anyone here with keys 14+ experience?
undone jacinth
dude theres 1 warrior in the world whos done a 15
there isnt an answer to your question
shut summit
yea im preferring wall to TL this week
dusty bridge
What are some of the less difficult mythics I can try +7ing this week?
leaden steeple
i think other side is easiest
undone jacinth
always mists pretty much
undone jacinth
mists and hoa every week
dusty bridge
Right on, thanks crew
pulsar ginkgo
yoo which weapon entchant do you use ? i get so melted in +10 ++ mythics how is your expierience with the +11% heal entchant
ionic fern
If you get melted in keys then a weapon enchant won't save you.
stray sierra
is fueled by violence any good?
ionic fern
I'm using Celestial Guidance currently cause it's cheap.
ionic fern
is fueled by violence any good?
It's a tiny passive heal, nothing great, nothing bad.
Then again, non of our Endurance ones really shine.
stray sierra
im venthyr atm cos i was arms, im gonna switch to kyrian though as im now just gna be prot
what potency conduit should i use
for m+ only
ionic fern
Piercing Verdict.
stray sierra
okay thank you
ionic fern
It's the one that enhances the Kyrian spear.
stray sierra
the spear roots all the mobs right? like they cant walk out of it
ionic fern
Yes, it tethers them for its duration.
open monolith
Anyone else feel like Fortified feels horrifically overtuned compared to Tyrannical?
I'm actually enjoying being a tank instead of a kite this week
πͺ
jagged cipher
around what ilvl should you have for tanking mythics?
open monolith
Can do it at like 150 with a good group for mythic 0
chilly brook
Anyone else feel like Fortified feels horrifically overtuned compared to Tyranni...
Yep
Scaling is nuts
hardy radish
does getting hit interrupt the ability to use the urns in de other side?
never actually tried it while tanking
jagged pier
hc sludgefist down 
chilly brook
Buff the difficulty for tanks and healers in torghast
Then nerf the whole thing
fallow mortar
I just wanted to see a nerf to casting times for the casters
that shit was annoying
sweet summit
didnt he get hotfixed already
coral marsh
how do you hold aggro when going bolster?
jagged pier
twhy did bliz do this im so confused
civic rover
revenge
coral marsh
i cant get aggro without thunderclap spam
jagged pier
how do you hold aggro when going bolster?
ravge, revenge spear
coral marsh
idk prot war just feels like shit compared to last expac
jagged pier
idk prot war just feels like shit compared to last expac
what talents are you running and what are you using for aggro gen?
jagged pier
my guess is hes UF and using TC
chilly brook
idk prot war just feels like shit compared to last expac
Feels great to me
steel mauve
Usually most if not all classes feel like shit going from an overpowered character at the end of an expac to no gear and being underpowered
But it doesnt feel that terrible honestly if you go into it with out expectations and knowing its gonna suck being under poweted
sick sentinel
sleek gulch
Anyone know if the Toiling Groundskeepeers in HoA bolster?
sick sentinel
should i craft this? seems to be best or one of best i can make
chilly brook
didnt he get hotfixed already
I might've missed it but I dont think so
sick sentinel
i have this and thunderlord ready for craft
gloomy cradle
Anyone know if the Toiling Groundskeepeers in HoA bolster?
They do
tired cove
what talents are you guyys running from 10+ and higher ?
jagged pier
3,3,2,2,2,3/1,3
neat root
Correct me if im wrong but I should still go shoulder slot for the Wall rather then back even if I currently have a higher ilevel shoulder?
jagged pier
shoulder slot yes
neat root
RNG has blessed me. Got demo shout extended by 500% in Torghast.
chilly brook
Back is literally basically the worst spot you could put a lego
undone jacinth
actually literally basically factually
steel mauve
Technically bis gear wise shoulders is better due to stat budget
eternal idol
Yeah, can confirm this, when I checked Castle Nathria loot, I didn't see any shoulders that checked our boxes for our highest stat weights so i figured shoulders would be best
chilly brook
actually literally basically factually
Yes
lethal mirage
I think I just hit the jackpot.
looks like that's my second trinket for possibly the rest of the expansion
sly hollow
where does brutal vitality drop?
eternal idol
Sun King or Calling Box
lethal mirage
calling box
lethal mirage
that trinket doesnt drop from anywhere
chilly brook
Phial for example is a 9% increase
lethal mirage
and also: Is that a survivability chart?
undone jacinth
sims xd
chilly brook
It's a damage sim chart
astral crystal
do we know what affixes are coming next week?
chilly brook
Stone Legion Heraldry is a better dps trinket
lethal mirage
that requires that I get that far
I'm in a bit of a low grade raid group, but I like them
so imma stick around
chilly brook
Yes but the reason I say that is a very basic stat stick is better
And this is simming Queensguard at ilvl 200 btw
lethal mirage
Guess I'll see where it goes then. I appreciate the advice
chilly brook
It's ~175 dps
lethal mirage
Dps doesnt matter too much for me, as much as survival. and that trinket might be really good for keeping aggro
chilly brook
Anima field from Spires is ~239 btw
lethal mirage
got one
chilly brook
And you'd have more survival from that
lethal mirage
I also have the scale from hakkar
chilly brook
Scale is definitely a better pick than Queensguard
lethal mirage
por que no los dos?
chilly brook
~232 dps
lethal mirage
aoe threat for days
chilly brook
Because you'd be better off using scale and anima field emitter
Haste is good for survival
And boosts aoe threat
Haste=more autos=more rage=more shield slams=more revenge
If you want a damage proc trinket fish for decanter
From SD
lethal mirage
apologies, My discord crapped itself. in any case, I'm gonna play around with it and see where it takes me
I'll keep what you said in mind
sick sentinel
for the adds on 2nd boss on halls of attonement will they cast more bolts if u stun them or do they haveto be kicked
steady aspen
183 i lvl bracers haste versa or 194 ilvl bracers versa mastery?
fiery remnant
how often are you guys pressing ip vs revenge? Just starting out doing mythics now
neat root
1.5 min shield wall and 50 second DS with 30% extra damage. Who said layer 8 was gonna be hard. smh.
chilly brook
how often are you guys pressing ip vs revenge? Just starting out doing mythics n...
I press IP when I feel like I need to help the healer and revenge when I wanna pump
If I'm just simply not taking damage no need to press IP over doing more damooj
fiery remnant
so for the most part IP when doing harder content? and revenge when you feel safe and can dps?
chilly brook
Basically
chilly brook
IP is also a nice off GCD rage dump
You're gonna have enough rage to keep IP up
But the balance shifts depending on damage intake
fiery remnant
i feel weird having to choose betwen dps and mitigation
sturdy sable
^
fiery remnant
@sturdy sable gotcha
sturdy sable
Balancing that is really what tanking is all about tho
chilly brook
Trust me
It's mostly have IP rolling and press revenge if you can
It's fairly intuitive
fiery remnant
it does seem alot harder tho when compared to tanks like prot pal and monk
chilly brook
I say that but then again people didnt press shield block in 8.0 and thought IP was still the main mitigation
fiery remnant
@chilly brook @sturdy sable ty so much guys
subtle thistle
Yo do new players have a place in this server?
sturdy sable
Some would describe us as the disc priests of tanks so to speak
chilly brook
@subtle thistle yes
I would recommend checking out #268491842637660160 as it will cover most bases
fiery remnant
Also do you guys try and use DS when shield block is down? kinda like VDH has to do. Or do you guys use it on CD
subtle thistle
Cool cuz i've litteraly only been playing the game for like a month lol
chilly brook
If not running BV you could potentially argue that you'd get more mileage using it to cover gaps
But /shrug
granite nacelle
depends on the fight for me -- some fights it doesn't matter, others if you need to take an extra tank mechanic you save DS for when you don't have anything else
@fiery remnant
slender mural
i hear prot warriors bad, is it really? or is it just in last place by a little bit, and what's it lacking? mitigation, damage?
jagged pier
i hear prot warriors bad, is it really? or is it just in last place by a little ...
its not bad its really strong both echo and limit have used/are using prot warrior. community perception is off completely / alot of people dont know how to play now as its changed a lot from BFA
jovial lily
Hello fellow warriors
slender mural
i figured it was mostly a community perception thing, thanks
cold flame
after changes to tanks in torghast is arms or fury better to solo torghast with?
granite nacelle
prot
cold flame
truuuuuuu
golden pollen
getting the right anima power makes torghast easy
if u get the one where ip gives 50% shield wall chance, sheidl wall duration extended by how much soul u have, ur pretty much invincible
neat root
Yeah I just had SW up to 2.1 mins.
DS up for 48 seconds with 30% damage buff.
it was easy with all that.
golden pollen
arm is fun as well
so far, warrior on torghast is pretty easy
once u get the core defensive, u just need to get the damage ones
and layer 8 isnt hard
just RNG fucks u over if u rush, clear each floor to maximize chance for anima
neat root
For some reason the layer 8 I did had very few anima powers, I think I pulled final boss with 18 and I cleared every inch of the floors.
iron parcel
its not bad its really strong both echo and limit have used/are using prot warri...
Pretty sure they're only doing it so they dont have to sacrifice a dps to be a warrior for the buffs lmao
But still, it's not that bad
jagged pier
Pretty sure they're only doing it so they dont have to sacrifice a dps to be a w...
not why darkee playing it and memers today said he would rather bring warrior or druid to last 2 so hes gearing them in splits
chilly brook
Pretty sure they're only doing it so they dont have to sacrifice a dps to be a w...
Yea dude you're right that's why echo is running a prot warrior AND an Arms warrior
jagged pier
night tusk
is there a haste soft cap for Prot?
jagged pier
106% so not one you can reach
chilly brook
No
chilly brook
You're not going to reach a point where you want to stop stacking haste
Even with the DRs
iron parcel
Yeah true
night tusk
just wanted to know if there was a cap i hit where i stop trying for haste and get another stat
chilly brook
The answer to that is no
night tusk
ok. thank you. π
feral tiger
On a scale of 1-trashcan dumpster fire how good is prot for raid and mythic plus now a days
undone jacinth
the world first kill of mythic is going to have a prot warrior in it
so it's definitely viable
granite nacelle
i'm trying to decide between 18% haste and 8% versa or 15% haste 13% versa
feral tiger
because i may need to switch to tank for my guild and i don't wanna play anything else
undone jacinth
then play prot
feral tiger
good enough for me thank you
undone jacinth
the world 2nd is also possibly gonna have a prot warrior
granite nacelle
i tank raids and m+'s to teens as prot no problem
chilly brook
i'm trying to decide between 18% haste and 8% versa or 15% haste 13% versa
Whatever is more stats overall
chilly brook
Then haste
granite nacelle
its 195 ilvl vs 197
chilly brook
I'd still just equip highest ilvl tbh
Stat budgets go up quite a bit with ilvl in current expac
granite nacelle
if i equip my highest ilvl crap my secondaries go to shit
i can get like 203 or something
granite nacelle
i dunno 10% haste vs 18 or 15
trade off is 70 armor and 6% mastery
doesn't seem worth it
granite nacelle
i mean if youyare just spamming revenge to keep up with the lowest dps thats not the thing to do
chilly brook
Alright go yell at @ionic fern
And the rest of the people who actually upkeep this discord
And more stats>"better stats"
Including armor and strength
granite nacelle
just trying to wrap my head around giving up 8 or 5% haste
like i need convincing on that i think
acoustic stratus
TIL avatar dispells devo aura
granite nacelle
actually you most likely don't care i think its an internal struggle
chilly brook
Any convincing you need is in #268491842637660160
Including the IV guide
Haste isn't the only stat with defensive value after all
steel mauve
Its math, the smart people in here have mathed out stam/str/armor/more numbers over specific numbers
We literally go for quantity over quality with the pure exception of rings/necks
It might feel worse losing haste, but defensively you get stronger
sand kestrel
got the ilvl 200 pvp shield. nice upgrade from my ilvl 171 shield. noticiable diff
chilly brook
We literally go for quantity over quality with the pure exception of rings/necks
With the squish, ilvl stat budgets are pretty big now
sick sentinel
prot warrior perspective being broadcasted on world first
icy hare
sick sentinel
or it was prot warrior
chilly brook
Even in BFA it wasn't even 100% sac ilvl on rings for "better stats"
@icy hare yes he talked on stream about how he likes to meme about how bad warrior is so people dont play it lol
chilly brook
Also Naowh was talking about how strong it actually is and it will be even stronger later on as more gear comes into the picture
coral marsh
dps war is still cancer trash
still pagoda
<@171382469365465088> yes he talked on stream about how he likes to meme about h...
a spec for enthusiasts and sometimes WF raiders
undone jacinth
Echo wouldn't have broken it out as well
the main reason by far is battle shout and rally
chilly brook
dps war is still cancer trash
So trash that Echo is using arms
chilly brook
the main reason by far is battle shout and rally
They're using arms and prot
You dont need both for that
jolly spindle
its so cool they nerfed warrior torghast into unplayable
still pagoda
its so cool they nerfed warrior torghast into unplayable
they nerfed all of torghast into unplayable
not just warris
jolly spindle
why tho
chilly brook
Wat
jolly spindle
i dont give a shit ab torghast but they made it a chore
tender imp
no point switching out the prot if they will use it for last boss
chilly brook
They're nerfing torghast to be easier tf lmao
exotic spoke
They made it easier. It was already pretty easy. scaling was better for small groups over solo though
jolly spindle
u guys doing layer 1 or what
still pagoda
still easy
still pagoda
u guys doing layer 1 or what
layer 6 lul
don't have much time to do shit not on weekends rn
undone jacinth
They were using it today
they took arms out of sludge prog
revves was only warr
on prot
lavish oracle
Did layer 8 last night, it was okayish
broken stratus
any know if blizz is fixing ravager not procing anything for prot?
lunar jackal
how do you guys deal with overhead slash from spires?
lunar jackal
its incredibly fast
broken stratus
little wig timer pretty accruate
turbid cargo
start moving a half second before the timer for it comes up
so you're already moving when it casts
strong forum
its "bugged"
there are 2 components to it
it does 2x damage if you dont sidestep
if you sidestep you "Only" take 1x damage
strong forum
It always does damage
The only way to not take damage is outranging it completely
Or parry/dodge
I sidestepped it with the boss being behind me
And I still got hit
I have log and video proof
chilly brook
they took arms out of sludge prog
Odd since earlier today they had like an 11% pull with arms
undone jacinth
i flicked thru 11 hours of the vod and cant find any arms warr
chilly brook
I was watching around I'd say 10pm pst and they had 2 warriors in group
And their caster was talking about why arms
undone jacinth
limit have an arms in too so its possible they have some plan for double rally
because its doing awful dmg
median badge
man I'm doing mythic + and my damage is always 4th am I doing it wrong
broken stratus
this is prot channel, i am assuming you should be 4th
median badge
yeah but I thought prot DPS was supposed to be crazy
undone jacinth
xd
ionic fern
You won't out DPS any competent DPS player.
median badge
missed a timed other side because potato DPS fell off pipes and got caught in traps
median badge
welll okay good
chilly brook
limit have an arms in too so its possible they have some plan for double rally
Their reasoning is because execute damage is pretty high and very valuable because his enrage
median badge
so I shouldn't feel bad
undone jacinth
yeah that makes sense
but its also just doing terrible overall
and they got in execute range a few times
so idk
ionic fern
If you're around 2.5k - 3k overall then it's fine. π
chilly brook
The downside is arms is squishy
median badge
ah I'm more around 1.8 2k
undone jacinth
I mean either way theyve said about how u dont bring brew because ww is owning etc, so its obvious that's part of their thinking
if the tank is good enough for the fight then seems obvious u bring the one that gives the utility u need
broken stratus
guys, i can cast IP and SB in bladestorm, but am i wasting or it works?
ionic fern
It works.
broken stratus
thanks
median badge
how is gluttonous spike trinket for prot
slender mural
what do you make for thunderlord, haste/vers boots?
deft vessel
Quick question-how does haste scale cooldown again? Do fractions of a percentage affect shield block uptime positively?
Is there a functional difference between 20% haste and 20.5% haste is what I'm asking i suppose
strong forum
Is there a functional difference between 20% haste and 20.5% haste is what I'm a...
Yes
chilly brook
Not one you're likely to notice though
tardy parcel
Any encounters in Nathria that warrant Ravager instead of ITF other than, like, Sun King?
solid gulch
is it just me or is prot warrior the best class/spec for torghast? seen loads of complaints about the mob buffs/power nerfs but i had no issues with the layer 8s at 190 ilvl, and no real broken runs, just passive/small buffs stacking up into a monster
dense pivot
yeah prot seems good
okay baseline damage and very tanky, dunno how spec scaling works tho
limpid pawn
my mage is stuck at renown 10, switched covenants this week though
already did all quests, nothing available
1 renown already dropped from castle nath boss
anyone know what else I can do to get to 11 ?
nimble drift
my mythic keys group has stopped playing with me to play with some Vengence DH
Im so depressed
limpid pawn
so it begins lol
we are in the kiting meta, so really most classes are going to be played in a similar way
nimble drift
join discord this morning and they all start talking about how OP DH is and tell me to retoll
reroll
coral marsh
why would you want to play in a static as tank
you play tank to be able to get into random keys
limpid pawn
community perception of war tank is bad now
nimble drift
also is viscera of coalesced hatred good?
limpid pawn
link?"
sand kestrel
fml... ilvl 213 gear from weekly is boots...doesnt work well with my thunderlords which are taking up that spot
coral marsh
the wall kinda bad in mythic+ since you go bolster anyways
gloomy sentinel
stupid question but with signet does ravager on prot with it
sand kestrel
might just recraft thunderlords on hand piece after a couple torghast runs next week
shut summit
no @gloomy sentinel
coral marsh
signet on prot does not replace bladestorm with ravager???
craggy harness
bladestorm just makes me cringe that i won't be able to block, justified or not
vocal bison
can we get a torghast ability that lets spell reflect actually spell reflect more than like 2 casts in torghast?
craggy harness
lol, yeah, i completely ignore the 200% spell reflect
"200% spell reflect or-- charge at maw rats infinite times... maw rats everytime"
vocal bison
haha
shut summit
@craggy harness can block in bladestorm
formal river
But berserker rage now lasts 300% longer!!
shut summit
can cast shit like demo shout, ip, block etc
craggy harness
<@!147782879294783488> can block in bladestorm
Yeah, I know... doesn't make me not afraid each and everytime
shut summit
lol
craggy harness
π
vocal bison
sometimes the stars align though
last night pre-nerf level 8 on last boss: Execute ability at any health, 1.5 min unlimited rage, 1.5 min 100% damage immunity
he died
I pulled 11k single target, lmao
craggy harness
lol... post nerf, but always a fan of longer avatar, last stand cd, victory rush every 20 seconds and shouts do extra dmg
"yeah, i got this"
formal river
I did my first group with buddies and got demo shout 300% longer and 2x shouts do extra. Needless to day we butchered the place.
vocal bison
that's awesome, today for the other 8 i got up to 115k ignore pains with shield wall on each IP cast that lasted for 20 sec
not a good dps run but was pretty much invincible
craggy harness
reminds me one experience in group with priest friend.... so used to solo pulling stuff... did not know that owl elite gets bigger the more he moves
until... he basically towered over everything as i kited everything i had pulled
whooops
hella funny tho
vocal bison
reminds me one experience in group with priest friend.... so used to solo pullin...
that's a funny mechanic
StOp MoViNg
craggy harness
"No!"
tired cove
my guild might want me to tank help, i am dps mainly someone give me good excuses
tired cove
i love it
vocal bison
prot war is bad, have to use shield block
tired cove
are there any tank taunt swaps on kael'thas ?
formal river
Meta, lawl
Limits MT is playing prot warrior
Peopel need to stop looking at tier lists.
Although we can all agree that fury warrior is garbage
formal river
i imagine as people get gear we will drop lower in M+ as other classes will probly do more damage just looking at kits
but who the hell knows
tired cove
i sense war buffs all around soon
sick sentinel
i just did a 7 torghast and it was super easy
sick sentinel
i got all the good powers tho, 1 minute long avatar, 25 s cd last stand
dense pivot
Fracturing Forces and Eye of Skoldus enemiesβ health and damage reduced by 50%, now increase assassin health by 5% per stack (was 10%).
LMAO
sick sentinel
you can no longer go back into old torghast to get rewards
one you've completed for soul ash i believe is what i saw just now
neat dirge
thoughts on using Vers food buff instead of haste?
cuz of how overpriced haste food is for me
muted pendant
I somehow get wrecked by Kin-Tara in SoA +9
Im 194
block and IP up for that smash, sidestepping the smash is not guaranteed everytime because of this damn 1sec cast
fallow mortar
ya..... If I keep going from side to on her then I have a better chance of dodging, but that also means constantly moving XD
muted pendant
its really the boss I hate the most in all of the dungeons right now during tyra
I even like the empress
coral marsh
how do you survive the manastorm boss?
feels like impossible as prot against the bleeds
dense pivot
dunno, level 8 was slime boi and big dude with orbs shattering
unique salmon
Is Kleia soulbind for Kyrian viable? I use Pelagos for my arms spec and dont want to swap everything around and run out of energy charges. Would be mainly farming 6-7's and maybe some Normal for a few more weeks. Sorry if this has been asked a lot, I made sure to check the pins and look around a bit first but everything just says Pelagos is obviously the best.
coral marsh
it all depends on gear goombles
unique salmon
Soulbinds are conduits arent
unique salmon
it all depends on gear goombles
sitting at 185 for prot atm its been on the back burner
lavish oracle
ITF feels good but not having ravager feels bad 
fallow mortar
i know what you mean. I keep trying to hit my ravager button and it just fails... I then remember I have ITF
dense pivot
big sad
formal river
i cant get rid of ravager in M+. too juicy
fallow mortar
you shouldn't
i think the ongoing concensus is that ITF is a lot better in raid because it is easy to constantly have 5 stacks
formal river
for sure, and most of the time you're just fkin standing there
might as well get more mitigation
steel mauve
Ravager will still compete on a lot if raid fights though, its better dps with more enemies
60 rage every 45 seconds is pretty great
uncut finch
So if we go ITF for raid with The Wall, what do you guys think about running with AM?
fallow mortar
true, but in most fights ITF sims higer than ravager in terms of dps
You should run with AM
you really don't need bolster for a raid... at least that is my experience
fallow mortar
if you are going into a magic heavy dungeon then go with AM
uncut finch
I tried AM today and it felt great to have SW up alot for big pulls
fallow mortar
So like DoS, SoA, HoA
uncut finch
Thats a good point
Ill try it and see how it feels
I wanna try the wall and heavy rep too just for the heck of it
exotic spoke
Still wouldnt use AM personally
Even the magic heavy instances have a lot of physical / blockable damage
tardy parcel
pvp
robust kite
Figured π¦ lol
undone sun
coral marsh
prot feels like trash in magic heavy dungeons
patent zealot
long phoenix
any tips for storming?
sick sentinel
i got some WQ trinket 171 chance to do 1k physical damage when u do dmg
probably better than the haste deck 200 i got, but hard to say at least this one is passive
fallow mortar
any tips for storming?
moving
unborn ore
so is it easier to do torghast as tank? or no?
unborn ore
I thought they adjusted health of mobs etc for different specs to make it harder....?
fallow mortar
they also nerfed it as a whole
unborn ore
true
mild river
Any tips for the second boss in Necrotic Wake? It spawns adds all over the place. I'm no DK to grip them all. Is there like a spot to tank and force the adds to spawn near it somehow?
fallow mortar
save the two spears you can get before the boss and rip into him
heady tinsel
anyone could help with a good M+ tanking spec? cant find a good guide online
sick sentinel
The wall is good tried it out today some
astral crystal
ITF also pretty solid for sblock uptime
cinder nova
How high does a key have to be to justify Bolster over AM?
8+? 10+?
You're obviously giving up a lot of damage taking it, but damage means fuck all if you're dead.
fallow mortar
or just kill them all before you run out of defensives
cinder nova
Great in practice, not a reality on paper for most groups.
I wonder if Bolster is... well, more valuable because of Bolster week?
tardy parcel
beat normal Nathria tonight!! woohoo!
cinder nova
Grats.
tardy parcel
thanks!
coral marsh
dont actually see the point in playing prot
in the 14 range people just want op dhs
might as well quit the game
lucid holly
So Signet Prot Ravager doesn't work?
sweet summit
Nope 
lucid holly
feelsBad, just switched to Venthyr for raiding and thought this would make having Condemn as prot not feel so bad
elfin siren
Nothing prot war feels right atm
sweet summit
Sir, prot warr owns !
mellow patio
Prot is good
elfin siren
get that we couldn't be the OP TD BFA war forever but there's just no reason to bring a war over another tank imo
mellow patio
Tell that to limit
sweet summit
mellow patio
I donβt miss clap spam but I do miss avatar feeling rewarding
elfin siren
threat sucks, damage sucks (related issues) and defensively meh
sweet summit
Threat is fine
Damage is good enough, but no paladin
Very strong defensively
lucid holly
Dude Prot is fine in every regard other than Single Target damage
elfin siren
Sure, Torghast feel godlike, but that doesn't count
mellow patio
That wasnβt what Iβm saying lmao
Prot is going to creep up on higher keys as people start to get there imo
Paladins have a relatively low ceiling in that regard
In raid the WF proved Prot is useful
And strong
heavy sail
Prots mitigation is very very good, the only circumstance that feels bad is super magic intensive fights.
And even then itβs not horrible honestly.
Tank balance is pretty great right now
mellow patio
^^^^^^
Super magic heavy fights are few and far between
And we can SR a lot of stuff
heavy sail
Nathria was a breeze for the most part on normal mode
mellow patio
Prot is a sleeper
elfin siren
TOP before bridge is awesome fun as war
elfin siren
i'm not so bummed about raid, just m+
mellow patio
Side rant: I like that blizzard flat out said βyou will not be able to remove mythic CN bleeds with kyrian potβ and they baited us
If not for scientists like myself the world would not have known that you can in fact clear the bleeds in mythic
heavy sail
I was beating out a BM Monk for mitigation through the whole of nathria
And he was like 15 ilvls higher
Def feels good in raid
mellow patio
Well you will most of the time take less damage than a brewmaster as prot
heavy sail
I havenβt had much experience at super high keys though
mellow patio
Cause they take everything through stagger whereas block just deletes damage
heavy sail
Most of the time yeh but it was substantial
heavy sail
They can also use brews to completely delete like 50% of whatever they have staggered
civic rover
threat sucks, damage sucks (related issues) and defensively meh
if you're still having threat problems it's 100% a player problem and not a class problem.
mellow patio
Word
heavy sail
Did they amp up our threat gen?
fallow mortar
mhm
fallow mortar
we got a 10% bump in threat, all tanks did
heavy sail
Word, yeah that makes sense.
coral marsh
limit only has a prot war to not take a shitty arms warrior for the buff
marsh solar
Why does my signet proc bladestorm in protspec, eventho im speced into ravager oO im confused af
Doesnt do that in arms
jagged pier
limit only has a prot war to not take a shitty arms warrior for the buff
yet they are also running/ have run an arms warrior at the same time π€
coral marsh
only for execute fights, arms war is not part of the main roster
cause prot gives the shout
sweet summit
Why does my signet proc bladestorm in protspec, eventho im speced into ravager o...
Because blizzard said so
wintry jetty
same as "necrolords will suck", they said so π’
jagged pier
only for execute fights, arms war is not part of the main roster
then why not bring a different tank if we are so bad to the 5 fights where they did use an arms warrior?
coral marsh
cause their main tank doesnt want to multispec
jagged pier
yer a WF raider doesnt have multiple characters that he can switch to, which historcally tanks do they swap to the best option for the fight π€
also btw meres said to scrype yesterday he wanted to gear his warrior or druid or both in splits because they are better than monk in his opinion
tropic drum
will i be far behind in stats if i craft the wall on a cloak instead of shoulders?
dead server prices are stupid so shoulders are overtly expensive
jagged pier
no leggos have the same stats just that cloak from raid has better stats than the shoulders
tall mural
Just spent an hour on a busted DOS mid key after they asked me to stay and finish it. Get to muehZala and the healer gets killed by laser beams in the first five seconds for ten wipes. Just called it and left lol.
Wild
jagged pier
looking at bosses hands is hard
tall mural
Honestly, the best part is he was a resto druid
fallow mortar
each power has its own voice line too... like how can you fuck that up
lavish oracle
@coral marsh They're bringing arms for denathrius or they wouldn't have brought it at all
If they only wanted a battle shout, they would have dropped prot or arms
Bringing both means they both bring something they need beyond battle shout
It could just be that rallying cry is really strong utility that they want 2 of, but I doubt that's it
sand kestrel
Seismic reverberation legendary sims insanely well with ITF and AM....Might be a decent combo once we are later in expac with more gear?
lavish oracle
Seems like a meme but maybe I'll pick up seismic after TL and The Wall are rank 4
sand kestrel
Right now survivability would be an issue with doing that sim
sweet summit
Seismic+BSC π
ebon swan
all the torghast fixes are live already?
flat nymph
Yep
onyx matrix
Wat? Is thorgast layer 7 easy now?
jagged pier
they nerfed torghast yesterday
onyx matrix
Lol srsly?
jagged pier
yep
onyx matrix
ππππ
jagged pier
bye
vapid island
dota2 just came out with a new content patch
vapid island
wow has too many jerkstores
lavish oracle
You can play more than 1 video game
vapid island
not mmos
jagged pier
good thing dotas a moba then
onyx matrix
Yea ik, was just being sarcastic
wide zodiac
Loving seeing a Prot Warrior in a WF team, especially after everyone telling me how bad thery'd be
lavish oracle
I haven't actually had anyone mention it this xpac
wide zodiac
I meant in my guild and in a few guides, they've been ranked bottom
lavish oracle
Last xpac was people non stop asking why I was playing prot because it's bad
This xpac people are just happy to see a tank, lmao
I feel like everyone quit tanking this xpac
vapid island
they all want demon hunters
wide zodiac
Ah really? This is the first xpac I've tanked and I absolutely love it
lavish oracle
Scrolling through group finder is just a literal sea of 3 DPS 1 healer groups
sullen pond
just discovered it does nothing
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
sooooo signet ravager doesn't proc in prot?..
no it doesnt
wide zodiac
Yeah haha, its so nice playing a role that can actually get into groups
sullen pond
why tho
onyx matrix
Ohh yeaa
little hawk
π€ I guess its ok
sullen pond
is that a bug?
wide zodiac
Played a WW Monk in BFA and got rejected for every pug going
onyx matrix
Lol
jagged pier
is that a bug?
was like it on beta could be an over sight though as different spell ids
lavish oracle
Ww was pretty good in bfa, peeps are weird
onyx matrix
Peeps only care about meta
wide zodiac
Peeps only care about meta
This. Was really annoying
onyx matrix
Thats all they have in their head
lavish oracle
Basically unless you were bleeding edge you needed a rogue, and a brez
onyx matrix
Well like, its almost the same now, most groups dont invite me cause I play fury from time to time but the aoe I bring along is really nice. (M+)
lavish oracle
To be fair, hard 5 target cap in bolster feels bad
drifting glade
then why did this hunter tell me hunter can only ST
am I an idiot for not yelling at him more
versed bough
question, Does this make the impending victory viable over Indombitable?
lavish oracle
Beast cleave is like 40% of BM damage in keys, haha
coral marsh
bm is trash anyways
lavish oracle
BM is fine
drifting glade
victory rush is like what, 1k damage tops?
coral marsh
bm is just as trash as arms and fury
drifting glade
I don't think 4k healing over 8 seconds is anything to write home about
drifting glade
well, we don't usually take impending victory over indom
jagged pier
question, Does this make the impending victory viable over Indombitable?
it does not
drifting glade
so the question for you is whether you consider 4k over 8 seconds worth it
i'd say no
lavish oracle
Adrenalin, you're literally the problem, lmao
coral marsh
na the problem is blizz not being able to balance their game after 15 years
jagged pier
yes bm sims 40 dps less than MM on ST yes 'trash'
coral marsh
they literally only have to up and reduce some specs by % in dmg
and the balance becomes a lot better
instead they just slap around random 5 % buffs and nerfs
they are so clueless
lavish oracle
The DPS are so much closer this xpac than like any other point in WoW's history
lavish oracle
You're not worth talking to, bye
muted pendant
I get the feeling that AM+the Wall (+SW conduit) will actually give me more survivability in higher keys this week, especially with a lot of magic damage. Currently Iβm playing Bolster+The Wall and IP conduit.
I mean Bolster+TL
lavish oracle
Bolster+The Wall is feeling pretty good so far
wintry jetty
biggest problem this week to me, is people knowing boss strats, then even just understanding bolster
lavish oracle
Usually have shield wall when I need it, haven't noticed any huge gaps in my mitigation
jagged pier
I get the feeling that AM+the Wall (+SW conduit) will actually give me more surv...
it preference at this point lots of ppl uysing different things i use The wall and bolster with LS conduit and feel very strong
lavish oracle
When are people popping shield wall in their mitigation rotafion?
I've been using 1 block and then shield wall but I don't know how much it actually matters
Just trying to put it on CD quick
jagged pier
When are people popping shield wall in their mitigation rotafion?
2 blocks then SW then blocks then LS+bolster
lavish oracle
Yeah, that makes sense too, probably more correct at 25% haste
proven glen
what are your mitigation rotations
lavish oracle
1 block, SW, blocksx3, LS, blocksx3
proven glen
no IP?
lavish oracle
I don't know that I usually need that much uptime, though
Well, IP as a rage dump
Usually try to have 1 up at all times if I can afford it
But it's lower prio than SB
(Obviously against magic damage I'm just spamming it, haha)
muted pendant
1 block, SW, blocksx3, LS, blocksx3
For the time between that 2nd and 3rd SB you use DS?
Or do you Already have enough haste
lavish oracle
Yeah, if I have a gap I can't cover with anything else I use DS but I'm on like 22% haste rn
And I have anima field emitter
I got lucky with a haste neck and rings, though
muted pendant
Me2 on 210 but still not 12s. Need more pieces with haste
How du you handle storming and standing in your field emitter. Sometimes it really sucks that I have to leave the field early
I mean 12s CD of SB
wintry jetty
Looking at my char more vertically helps me with storming
lavish oracle
Mhm, I'm zoomed out as much as possible
broken mulch
So you don't save ls and SW as oh shit buttons but just use it when you have an downtime?
lavish oracle
Yes
jagged pier
you shit never have oh shit moments
lavish oracle
Your goal as prot warrior is very consistent damage smoothing
jagged pier
^^
muted pendant
ToP with storming and the trash on that last Plattform is the most fun
strong forum
I guess leap yea
jagged pier
thats for cleansing the bllod
strong forum
That's an "yo I have 9 stacks of bleeds" button
jagged pier
makes stone legion generals a joke XD
muted pendant
I wish I was a dwarf
lavish oracle
Eh, still up when I need it for bleeds/disease usually unless it's plaguefall
3m is actually pretty short
strong forum
It's shorter if you kill stuff :)
broken mulch
I just used it when pulling a big pack. Also if they are rotational you don't use SB at all during its duration?
proven glen
azathoth u prefer the wall or tL?
lavish oracle
So far, the wall
jagged pier
I just used it when pulling a big pack. Also if they are rotational you don't us...
depending on pull size etc you use them in the gaps of sb
strong forum
I just used it when pulling a big pack. Also if they are rotational you don't us...
Depends on the mob you're fighting aswell
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
If its pure blockable, you don't wanna overlap
But more often than not, there's other shit going on too
young glen
My camera seems to get really fucked in P1 Denathrius after Blood Price. 2 out of 4 times it gets stuck in the wall and clips the shit out
muted pendant
That 2nd DoS trash pack for me
jagged pier
mists first few packs π
strong forum
muted pendant
If I donβt have SB/DS and SW they eat me.
strong forum
So fucking disgusting
You don't tank them
Ever
Just run in with all CDs
Blow your dps
And peace out
jagged pier
^^
muted pendant
And run in again from the dungeon entrance? π
strong forum
It's absolutely disgusting currently, just can't tank anything
I hope its better with 226 ilvl
jagged pier
I got like 3-4 ilvls yesterday and i felt a difference on sludge hc
but i did also understand the fight better so was playing better
young glen
How many wipes did you guys have on heroic Denathrius? It feels like we are regressing compared to bfa
strong forum
The only item I got from HC is bracers
That I immediately traded away
Cuz I have 223 haste/vers+socket ones from vault
π
jagged pier
I dont have many hc items
young glen
The great vault has blessed me with three capes. Very much appreciated in these cold times.
strong forum
Yeah I had choice between cloak, wrists, neck, Ring or 213 shield
jagged pier
nope pretty yes for me this morning
jolly spindle
i feel like they removeed every damage anima power
jagged pier
I had a really good run this morning but i do have the permant upgrades for it so i get loads epic and rare powers
jagged pier
ss damge 
jagged pier
got an execute one today so i did like 18k executes XD
strong forum
I got the execute thingy
But never used more than 10 executes
So I never got the benefit
jolly spindle
how tho
strong forum
Cuz I don't kill anything
jolly spindle
are u kyrian or something
strong forum
Only bosses
lavish oracle
were the torg changes hotfixes or incoming?
strong forum
They should be live
jagged pier
hotfixed
lavish oracle
dope
jagged pier
yesterday
strong forum
Damn
My longest layer was 20min so far
Or just below 20
Haven't done 7 and 8 yet tho
lavish oracle
I got stonewalled by one of the casters on the first attempt
jolly spindle
lol
strong forum
Will have to see
jolly spindle
it takes me like an hour
worn hatch
how are you speedrunning torghast
strong forum
Only kill the minimum required amount
And skip everything else
Legit get less than 150 phantasma total
Usually only 7-10 powers
That's how I did all my runs so far
worn hatch
nice that actually makes sense, i usually have too much phantasma
strong forum
Only kill shit if I'm losing HP
Then go to floor guardian, kill it, pick up power, run to the next floor guardian
strong forum
Yes
nimble drift
So what are the most important pieces I should buy and use
strong forum
Shield
lavish oracle
shield, weapon, trinkets, basically
strong forum
Whatever is your lowest ilvl rn, or save for weapon
lavish oracle
rings are nice, more haste certainly feels good
worn hatch
if only my friends were fine with me spending conquest on prot π
latent bolt
Do i craft boots for thunderlords legendary and do i put haste crit or haste vers?
For m+
strong forum
People most commonly craft boots
Haste/vers I'd say is better defensively for the abundance of magic dmg and dots that m+ has currently
latent bolt
Thx
muted pendant
Itβs really demotivating if the only thing after a damn DoS run this week is 35 anima you get
strong forum
M+ gearing is dead
muted pendant
Every single time
I pigged normal CN but that was enough time spent with randoms
pugged*
Donβt wanna try it in HC although it would be nice itemwise π
muted pendant
So I just found out you can upgrade the conquest gear you get
Donβt you need a rating to but conquest gear?
jagged pier
ez
onyx matrix
1 shot? Haha
jagged pier
I 1 shot layer 7 this morning
onyx matrix
As prot?
jagged pier
yep
onyx matrix
Whats your ilvl?
jagged pier
i dunno 195 or somthing
onyx matrix
Lol dang
jagged pier
it literally felt like layer 1 in terms of damage intake and damage needed to be done
gear aint gunna make it feel like that
onyx matrix
Hahah srsly?
jagged pier
yer
onyx matrix
So they literally gutted thorgast?
lavish oracle
Yeah, I'm running 8 right now, shit's mad easy
jagged pier
yer they completely killed it
Ive been saying for days players still couldnt do layer 1
so they had to nerf it
onyx matrix
So everything is just piss eaay now?
jagged pier
feels like it
jagged pier
I think your overestimating the lvl of skill people have in this game
onyx matrix
I mean honestly, how hard can it be to be careful?π
jagged pier
I mean people still use click to move, and click there spells so thet arent focused on whats in front of them or under them so they just die all the time
lavish oracle
I think they built torghast assuming people would play them like dungeons and quickly realized that players are very bad at dungeons, haha
most players*
onyx matrix
Hahahaπππ
jagged pier
they already know a lot of the player base are bad look back to cata where heroic dungeons where too hard for most of the playerbase that they had to nerf them
lavish oracle
Those dungeons were pretty hard on launch though, lol
I might have also been bad back then
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
lavish oracle
I really enjoyed them but I remember a lot of very pissy pugs
fiery remnant
What are the best anima powers for prot? Also is it better to solo them or find a group
onyx matrix
Prob just solo
muted pendant
I mean people still use click to move, and click there spells so thet arent focu...
We had a friend who was playing healer and only used his mouse to move cause he was only playing LoL before. We cried
runic grove
I heard the reason they added click move was because lots of people in korea would play while smoking
That's still funny to me
jagged pier
its been in the game since classic
because of most mmo before it where click to move
muted pendant
Itβs definitely important to have this feature for accessibility reasons
I wonder how it would feel having SS on W π₯Έ
nimble drift
@jagged pier Did nerfs go through in the last 24hrs? Because 7-8 were incredibly hard
Especially the bosses that spam cast on you
or the portal guards*
jagged pier
ez this morning is all i can say
muted pendant
I did 7 yesterday and it was not hard. The endboss (slime boy) just took long
muted pendant
I did a full clear yesterday on 7.
muted pendant
Gonna do that on 8 next.
broken mulch
Does running signet gain value when you run with ravager? π§ I only have that Lego atm as I do arms in raids
jagged pier
nope
nimble drift
the conquest gear has a pair of legs haste/vers
and my current legs are my lowest piece
:EZ:
onyx matrix
Yea conquest legs are nice
stuck oriole
Man ive been really frustrated lately
I took the advice from here and it works like a fuckin dream
I really no longer feel that warrior is as weak as everyone says in m+ given all our abilities to kite
But
7-9s are a breeze i can vibe and tank them
But i keep getting people dying to random shit
Just as i feel ive craxked the code
Im left there on theater of pain with a priest who keeps getting hit by the massive beam in the first phase on the last boss
Its telegraphed its easy to run from
And his excuse is its a two short
And keys degrade and it happens over and over
Sanguine depths people not killing the ad on boss 2 when i put a skull on it
Mists people not kolling trees first on bolstering so it jaut takes unnecessary time
I fuckin love warrior right now man but i need a solid group
Cant keep having hunters die to sweeping strike on gladiator boss when the banner is dead
onyx matrix
Some people never learn
dense pivot
<@!179993058186625025> Did nerfs go through in the last 24hrs? Because 7-8 were ...
yes, they mega nerfed torghast in past few days
onyx matrix
Rip thorgast
honest plinth
It seems like now we get 203 ilvl from 10s-11s
dense pivot
woah
honest plinth
Time to start some pvp
strong forum
M+ gearing is dead, pvp is way better, yes
honest plinth
Friend of mine Alrdy have 3 0r 4 213 items from pvp
And he is 50 rating away from 220 upgrade
strong forum
Ye ima grind out 1800/2100 this weekend