protection

[neat dirge]

also parry the ranged physcial attacks?

[cerulean quest]

Because the keys are low 😂😭

[novel temple]

it was like 5 magic damage abilities for 8k each

[fringe marten]

This week you dive into the middle of that pack, into the shadowcaster..cut the groups HP down a bit...pull the raptor pack into the corner, while you have your fae player start to channel the urn..pull them towards it..poof, smash the pack.

[novel temple]

plus the other dps didnt wanna interupt shadowcore

[fringe marten]

and yeah...you need some shield wall and shockwave, interrupts...and possibly even an intim shout to stop some casts (even they're undead I think it hits some of them)

[chilly brook]

Yes but what I'm getting at is the other similar pack the raptor guy can be pulled separately, this one can't for some reason

[novel temple]

im thinking of trying menace out

[chilly brook]

[novel temple]

god they just need to make AM baseline

and rebuff it

to include everything like it did in wod

baseline AM for all the specs would be percect

[fringe marten]

But honestly if you just dive the shadowcaster in the middle, wall up...keep him from casting, and start pulling toward the raptor pack..and then both to the urn stun...you'll be ok. If you don't... Heroic leap down the stairs..and /salute

[novel temple]

and fucking increase shield walls duration back

omg im gonna rant and rage even more

[fringe marten]

8 seconds of 50% dr is a very powerful tank cooldown. (unless you're a guardian druid, then it's nearly baseline talent choice..)

[neat dirge]

i mean limit had a warrior tank

doesnt that speak enough for itself?

[novel temple]

ok so here's the thing

of course every tank is viable and can be used

[fringe marten]

I mentioned that in raids today LOL.. all the hate on warrior tanks, and limit is using one for much of their world first race.

[novel temple]

but it doesn't mean its fun to play

or feels doesn't feel clunky

[neat dirge]

@fringe marten good shit man

[chilly brook]

Hes also been vocal on saying he prefers it even for m+

[neat dirge]

yeah ive watched his M+

[fringe marten]

I will say though, that right now..I have to admit the way the game is built and classes are tuned, paladins and DH's got us beat for pushing tough keys.

[neat dirge]

hes insanly good

[chilly brook]

I'd assume the nerf bat will swing

[fringe marten]

Our physical mitigation is still great, but it's just for a slightly shorter window than it used to be..so we have some big gaps of vulnerability.

[chilly brook]

And the buff stuck will hit us again

[fringe marten]

it won't.

[chilly brook]

Just like it did in 8.0 to 8.1

Its almost never good to be the strongest tank in the opening patch

[novel temple]

definitely not

prot war in the beginning of legion

ignore pain super good and also inspiring presence but shift artifact ability

[chilly brook]

Tbh I dont think blood has ever recovered from the nerf with 8.1

[fringe marten]

I mean..I play warrior because warrior4life.. if I was a seriously competitive min/maxer who had to play the best 'thing' for my role.. I'd have went brew or bear multiple expansions ago.

[chilly brook]

They're always heavy handed with the tank nerf in the first major patch

I'm playing warrior because I enjoy it and it seems I can't get away from it

[sweet summit]

None escape

[fringe marten]

But...it's still rough when you're raid is wiping, but they're doing the 'hold on for practice' thing...and you've died on sludgefist heroic for whatever reason. and the bear tank is solo tanking him like..effortlessly..with his HP barely moving.

[novel temple]

though griff, we technically got the nerf bat at the start of the xpac

[chilly brook]

The only time I was happy not playing a warrior tank was 8.3

With DH

[fringe marten]

As in...you could easily build a strat around the bear solo tanking sludge the entire time without issue.

[novel temple]

with DH?

in raid?

[chilly brook]

Yea I played vengeance in nyalotha

[novel temple]

oof

[chilly brook]

Wdym lol

It was super strong tbh

[novel temple]

yeah but you probably couldve stuck with warrior

[chilly brook]

Was much more tanky than BrM in nyalotha

Probably but I swapped to DH because I was having fun

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[novel temple]

ahhh

[fringe marten]

Anyone know if plater has the default ability to have a reskinned unit/target frame? or do I HAVE to download a unit frame addon with textures for that?

[chilly brook]

I don't play a tank because someone asks me to

That's a recipe for getting your sub canceled and burning bridges

Actually write that down, if you ever want to quit the game but need an excuse and someone to ruin the experience for you just let meta dictate what you play in raid.

📈

[open gazelle]

bruhhhh this week for keys blowsssss

[modern brook]

"Bolster tyranical is fun fuck you" - blizzard probably

[neat dirge]

isnt fortfified + bolstering worse?

[prisma crane]

more appropriate is bolster + one big ass mob and 15 little ones is fun fuck you

[neat dirge]

iirc its either gonna be Fortfified or Tyrannical each week correct?

[prisma crane]

bolster on tyr weeks is really easy

yes

[neat dirge]

yeah so, we should be happy Bolstering came on this week

and not last week

[cyan shore]

Do you guys go for ilvl over stats?

[sweet summit]

90% of the time yes

[mental scarab]

Man tyr is such a time eater 🤮🤮🤢 keys take longer this week even when the trash is just hurp derp dead

I Do not like this💩💩💩

And now you realy se when dps faile mechanics on bosses

[wintry jetty]

yeah, dungeons are not harder per say, just group failing more :p

[abstract summit]

how bad is necrolord banner im so tempted to take it

[wintry jetty]

I can tell you

because I still have it

feelsbad

but I still have hope somehow

[abstract summit]

but how bad is it

[wintry jetty]

(if at least it gave rage, like "I plant my banner ROAR")

well it gives no rage, crit doesn't help parry, teammates can't see it to stay in it

so it's a 20% last stand on gcd

[ocean heath]

Are we supposed to be rage starved like 25% of time?

[wintry jetty]

@abstract summit but I still do +10 keys so I guess we can survive

[ebon hound]

What do you mean when you say rage starved, not enough rage to press shield block?

[wintry jetty]

just wish I had necrospear and necropotion instead of those :p

[ocean heath]

well yea if I spent it all on IP

[ebon hound]

In that case you most likely spent it wrong

[ocean heath]

I mean SB is mostly on CD, but I dont have rage to keep IP all the time

[ebon hound]

There are very few situations where IP > SB

[tender imp]

ip is not supposed to be up all the time

[fringe marten]

If you did...they'd probably nerf it AGAIN

[ebon hound]

And like Floody said, IP is not supposed to be up all the time, it is a dump for excess rage when you are taking damage

[ocean heath]

I guess sometimes with devastator, shield slam and thunderclap and shield block are on CD with no rage for IP so I feel naked lol

just sitting there for 3-4 seconds lol

[ebon hound]

And that's fine, happens

[abstract summit]

shield slam

press it harder

[ocean heath]

just tanked the bears on huntsman

[robust kite]

Anyone else having issues right now with DPS just not being able to kick things like cough Shadowcore cough in DoS?

[ebon hound]

I have the issue where I'm the dps in DoS and my tank keeps dying to Shadowcore 🤡

[fringe marten]

Because I swap between devastator for M+ and Punisher for raid progression...I just keep fluttering my manual devastate key LOL. I'll often catch myself with nothing to cast and no real need to pop something 'big' that's on cooldown; spamming devastate that doesn't exist..and ..still do it? lol

[ocean heath]

I miss like 20+% haste from BFA

[robust kite]

If I have a 3s cooldown on my kick I'd never die to Shadowcore xD

[fringe marten]

Man you're on to something sir Jumbly...what if every warrior ability had natural interrupt, even our aoe's...and it worked in pvp? I think it'd be balanced..

[robust kite]

Perfectly balanced

As all things should be

[fringe marten]

I literally see no issue with this what so ever. Why is it not a thing?

[robust kite]

I'm just complaining about my DPS not kicking shadowcore causing me to take 15k hits Lul

[fringe marten]

..why is no one talking about ..when you don't take a 'soothe' into DoS, and the skeleton berserkers don't get cleaved down and get @spiral bluff 'AllTehBoltrs' And then you're kiting a 3 story building around Muezala's conversation with Bwonsamdi.

[ionic fern]

DPS'ers have never been able to kick anything.
THey don't know what's deadly to the tank and what's not.

[fringe marten]

(actually kiting it into the hallway with the...spooge crap)

[robust kite]

I lost it at 'AllTehBoltrs' 😆

[ionic fern]

That's why pugging is horrible.

😂

[robust kite]

What do you mean @ionic fern I love breaking my keys

[fringe marten]

I'm a warrior, I'm not afraid of anything. But a 30 foot tall enraged skeletal juggernaut with 8 bolsters, who cannot die... I think I'll test out my heroic leap button today...

[robust kite]

I bet you could probably drag that guy with you far enough get him double that amount of bolsters

Get a raid boss in there

[ionic fern]

It's a real bingo right now.
1)Does the healer know what to dispell?
2)Is the healer tracking bleeds?
3)Does the DPS know how to kick?
4)Does the DPS know where to stand so they won't get hit by frontals?
5)Does the DPS know how to play their class and actually do DPS?

[robust kite]

@ionic fern Atleast as a Kyrian Prot Warrior I can save myself from a bleed every 3m

[fringe marten]

..or that ONE last slime in plaguefall before first boss..who didn't get cleaved down quite enough...

[ionic fern]

I'm a dworf/kyrian so i can do it 2 times.

😂

[fringe marten]

me too

[robust kite]

You lucky son of a gun

[fringe marten]

Fire dwarf

[abstract summit]

alliance?

[ionic fern]

Ofc.

[fringe marten]

yar

[abstract summit]

gros

[ionic fern]

Imagine playing anything other than a dwarf.

[robust kite]

I like just being a dick and melding a full big cast as a NE then insta taunting target back

[ionic fern]

[fringe marten]

BRO ...firedorf looks DOPE in warrior xmog with no helm. ALL my xmogs now have no helm.

My face > Every helm in game.

[ionic fern]

That tbh

I'm rocking a thematically correct mog.

[fringe marten]

How to FireDorfXmog: "do not show helm" "how big IS the belt model..? Is it HOOJ? does it clip my FireBeard?"

Belt is the key to dwarf xmog.

[fringe marten]

Bro

You went BasicBitch

[ionic fern]

Ofc.

Been that since..forever.

😂

[fringe marten]

That has been one of the best looking warrior mogs for a long time.. that's the problem.

I honestly can't wait until the mog for the legendary armor appearances is in game; I'm wondering what it will be from.

The legendary plate set looks SICK

[strong forum]

I mean the set you can look up on wowhead since alpha

[ionic fern]

These 2 are my other go-to's.

[fringe marten]

last half of BFA I was rocking a combo of most of the ...? Tomb of sargeras? mythic set, plus the..? one of the belts from Emerald Nightmare? (the rams skull with chains under it) plus the mace from the female smith boss in Blackrock Foundry...(looks like a bunch of spiked teeth? not on warrior loot table, had to get a shaman to get it for me) and then ..can't remember where shield is from

One of my sets is the bottom one; with a spiked mace with mongoose on it..the lightning aesthetic goes well with that suit.

[dusty bridge]

I can’t switch from the BoD tier set. They did such a great job with it.

[fringe marten]

But for this tier I put on a 'vampire slayer' suit, so one of the 7th legion mogs from the BFA war scenarios. and then I think a mace from nyalotha? with a golden glow xmog...basically I look like fire dwarf paladin.

We out here vampire huntin'..

BoD?

[ionic fern]

I think that was the dinosaur set.

[fringe marten]

OH Battle of Dazar'alor.

[raven basin]

Anyone Tanked M+ using the Signet of Tormented Kings? How does t feel to use with a Ravager setup?

[fringe marten]

I honestly never remember the acronyms for raids...or even the names of mobs just like "undead ape...gotta' wait to see what he casts second, before taunting.."

[ionic fern]

It does not proc when using Ravager.

[raven basin]

It does in Arms spec

[ionic fern]

Yes, i know.

It doesn't in Prot.

[raven basin]

I just figured it worked in Prot, too

Alright

[ionic fern]

It used to work on Prot Ravager as well in beta but it was removed.
We are not sure if it's a bug or a feature, it has been reported to Blizz tho.

[raven basin]

Good to know so I don't randomly get clapped trying to do more damage 😄 Ty

[sweet summit]

Signet wont get you clapped

[ionic fern]

Keys when Erga.

[sweet summit]

Idk man
Raid today and tomorrow, working on saturday
Might be free saturday evening and sunday tho!

[ionic fern]

Pug it is.

😂

[sweet summit]

[nocturne lichen]

Hola Warriors ! 😄 Is there a drive document with all reflectable spell ?

[sweet summit]

In the pins mate

[nocturne lichen]

Ty mate 🙂 My brain warrior is shit !

[sweet summit]

Same

[fallow mortar]

When did you guys feel like you needed to start kiting?

for mythic keys

[strong forum]

Whenever there are alot of mobs alive and you don't have SW SB/LS or alot rage

👍

[fallow mortar]

kk I figured as much. ty

[strong forum]

They really need to tone down alot of mobs or w/e in m+

It can't be intended that legit every tank has to kite and can't facetank 24/7

[fringe marten]

I would give up the second defensive conduit we have now..to swap it with a utility one; so we could socket in the 8 seconds reduced CD of shockwave. Honestly don't care about adding to current ignore pain..

[fallow mortar]

is kiting simply walking away and trying trying to do damage or is there more to it?

[strong forum]

Then use the last stand conduit...

[strong forum]

Getting outside of range of mobs melee range and not get hit

That's kiting

[ionic fern]

And/or casting range.

[fringe marten]

I have that one too..but I still use the ignore pain one...just saying.. Would like to not have to lose friggin 37% damage on my spear of bastion to have a 17 second CD on shockwave

[fallow mortar]

so heroic leaping away and hoping you keep threat for a bit is one way of doing it?

[strong forum]

Wdym hoping

If you did dmg you won't lose threat

Threat isn't rng

[fallow mortar]

idk, there are times where I thought I had threat on everything and then they break

my DH then gets one hit and I cry, while the healer res'

[strong forum]

DH taking threat?

That's a first

[fallow mortar]

we are scratching our heads too

[ionic fern]

Good DH's can.
Has happened. 👀

[vale rover]

is vers/haste best stats?

[fallow mortar]

is it because of their eye beam? He has the leggo that gives chance of it refreshing

[ionic fern]

Glaive Tempest or smth

Idk what that is.

• other things

But only 1 DH has ripped from me, hasn't happened with other DH's.

[tired cove]

Help storming makes me wanna hurt myself

[strong forum]

You and everyone else

[tired cove]

I say i invite all warriors to my cali mansion and we go protest at blizzard

[fallow mortar]

just dont go in a dungeon with tight spaces and it will be fine.... so like mists and that is it

[strong forum]

Sanguine depths

Dos

Plaguefall last boss

[fallow mortar]

at some point they all have confined spaces though

[strong forum]

Exactly

[neat dirge]

guys what trinkets are considered the best from the Mythic dungeons for tanks?

[strong forum]

And storming fucks you over big time

[neat dirge]

anima field thingy im assuming

[strong forum]

Hakkar trinket, anime emitter

Phial from plaguefall

Decanter from sanguine depths is good dmg too

[neat dirge]

wait i cant get Phial as Tank ?

lol

[strong forum]

Go fury loot...

[neat dirge]

yeah

[strong forum]

Plaguefall you always go fury or arms loot

Fury if you want the 1h+trinket, arms if you only want the trinket

[neat dirge]

decenter really good?

[strong forum]

It's good dps ye

[neat dirge]

i had it as a 216 option in my weekly chest

but choose a ring with Haste > verse

instead

[strong forum]

Echo also whipping out the prot warri.
Is this the pwar redemption arc?

[jagged pier]

against sludgefist yer im not suprised, we wiped on 2% last night, on literally the perfect defensive pull for me, i didnt take much damage and had my cds back when the healers externals ran out in when he was enrage

[tired cove]

plaguefall can burn

lol

[tiny blade]

Think it’s mostly because they had to reduce the amount of melees while keeping their buffs

[glacial flint]

when u know ur torghast run will be fun 🙂 (1st anima)

[neat dirge]

@jagged pier you on Mythic?

sludge?

[jagged pier]

thats trash now

[jagged pier]

nah only hc, but first night there, and I was tanking him all the time

[glacial flint]

trash getting 1 free anima / floor

LEL

[jagged pier]

i mean depends on the anima power you get

the shattering throw one was good because it dealt with the boss doesnt do that anymore

[strong forum]

Wtf they nerfed the anima power????

Why would they

How does nerfing torghast at all make any sense

God I hate Blizzard

It's supposed to be dumb fun meme content and they try to balance it?? Like what

[fallow mortar]

because of the soul ash

[glacial flint]

fun detected ^^

[jagged pier]

i mean we were clearing a lot quicker than other ppl. that being said some people cant even do layer 1 still. but they made it harder i dunno what blizz are doing tbh. killed torghast in week 3 it looks like

[strong forum]

So

Who gets hurt

It's meaningless content

That they fuck over for no reason

If anything they should make it easier for dps

[bitter crest]

Soul Ash is not meaningless

[strong forum]

And not harder for tanks

[bitter crest]

But i am with you, make torghast fun for dps too

[strong forum]

Torghast is supposed to be dumb fun meme content

[jagged pier]

blizz make fun content???

[strong forum]

Not challenging, "help me I can't do this" bullshit

Looking at rogues for example

I heard they struggle alot with torghast

[neat dirge]

how do warriors tanks do in dps / threat compared to other tanks?

[jagged pier]

I agree , but blizz do blizz things

[jagged pier]

fine

[bitter crest]

@neat dirge fine

I am out-threating my fellow blood-dk in raid with ease.

[strong forum]

Pretty equal on overall from what I've seen

[neat dirge]

hmm alright

i need to git gud then, i seem to get over aggroed by my co-tank alot

[bitter crest]

As kyrian in m+ the Spear snaps nearly every aggro

what class is he playing?

[jagged pier]

on shreikwing i get all the bites because im at like red/orange threat even though my cotank it tanking

[neat dirge]

jakey, u got any tips?

[strong forum]

The only tank that stands out in ST is prot pally

[jagged pier]

^^

just press your buttons

[neat dirge]

i pool alot of rage

ofc i make sure to never ahve 100%

[bitter crest]

rage is there to be spent

[neat dirge]

but i perfer to chill around 70-80% rage

[jagged pier]

you only need to pool 30

[neat dirge]

should i be using revenge if im above 30?

[jagged pier]

and not tanking yes

[neat dirge]

what about Ignore pain?

[jagged pier]

well you dont need to cast it if your not tanking

[tough river]

hmm I having some issues with Mythics, it seems that many ppl perf other thanks above Prot warriors at the same ilvl ish..
Any of you seen that?

[jagged pier]

and its an add bonus to SB or magic damage you dont need it up 100% of the time

[bitter crest]

It's the flavor-of-the-month issue. We have to deal with it.

[strong forum]

This is roughly how your dmg breakdown should look like

[jagged pier]

its a small issue but just try other groups, groups always need a tank

[strong forum]

roughly

[neat dirge]

execute?

[strong forum]

Execute

[neat dirge]

EXECUTE

[ebon hound]

Execute

[tough river]

so you arent really using revenge?

[strong forum]

33 casts of revenge

[neat dirge]

thanks @jagged pier and @strong forum

[neat parcel]

[tough river]

@strong forum what fight was that for?

[strong forum]

This is pure ST of R1 shriekwing parse last week

[tough river]

ah

[strong forum]

Made by yours truly

[neat parcel]

we help p3, warrior p3 carry

[jagged pier]

my damage breakdown

[bitter crest]

Are you pooling the 40 rage for execute or just spam regardless of rage?

[strong forum]

Spam

[jagged pier]

SPAM SPAM SPAM

[strong forum]

Only pool for shield block

Then continue spam

[tough river]

so you only use revenge when not tanking it? and when tanking you save rage for Iron Pain and Shield Block.

[jagged pier]

if your getting close to execute can save spear avatar and demo for lots of rage gen and damage

[neat dirge]

how do u find those breakdowns?

[strong forum]

Warcraftlogs

[neat dirge]

yeah

but where

just press on myself?

[strong forum]

Yuh

[jagged pier]

you click on your name un DD section

[jagged pier]

you still revenge on ST with the free proc and when u have extra rage

[neat dirge]

mine has these weird stuffs

but ohwell

[jagged pier]

is this raid?

[strong forum]

We're on mobile

[neat dirge]

yes

[strong forum]

That's why it looks smaller on our end

[neat dirge]

Heroic Shriek

[jagged pier]

well u didnt hit execute that much and you want to use ITF in raid

[neat dirge]

yeah

[strong forum]

I used ravager and got R1

[neat dirge]

well Shrieker is so free

[strong forum]

But yes ITF is better in raid

[neat dirge]

and i cba swapping

but otherwise i usually use ITF

[strong forum]

I always just forget to swap to itf tbh

Too used to ravager

[neat dirge]

i only use Ravanger at specific fights

Council, Kael'thas

those that have more multi target

and not as much stacking

[strong forum]

Kaelthas sure, but he should flop quickly

Council is kinda w/e too

[jagged pier]

pointless on council its a ST fight

[neat dirge]

i use it mostly to help with the Pie throwers

ngl

[jagged pier]

eurgh we kill them a different way

[neat dirge]

fair enough

[strong forum]

That's a ranged dps mechanic

[neat dirge]

it is

[jagged pier]

also that

[neat dirge]

but we pull boss to the closest pie thrower

and our DK grips in

other pie throwers

[steady aspen]

Cant get group fury 194 ilvl, even +2 😫. Wanna test my dps

[jagged pier]

well fury is considered trash tier right about now, but keys are always subject to MoTM so just make your own key or just keep trying, also this is the prot channel

[steady aspen]

Ok

[robust kite]

Alright trying to PUG these keys is giving me some severe concern for the mechanical abilities of some of these dps players

[jagged pier]

welcome to pugging

[robust kite]

Doing a +6 you'd think at that point people knew the mechanics of the boss fight x)

Everyone literally just stacked on me 3 times in a row on the ToP final fight

[jagged pier]

people will never learn in +5-10

[robust kite]

during the void phase

[lavish oracle]

This is the week that all the DPS players are learning boss abilities

[robust kite]

Well it hurts xD

[sullen drift]

so for raid prot warriors going into the fray with Heavy repercussions? ?

[lavish oracle]

Don't expect them to learn until the healer can't just outheal all the mechanics 😛

Those are both fine talents

[jagged pier]

ITF bolster or AM depending what you want

[lavish oracle]

Like, all 6 of the bottom 2 talent rows are fine in raid in various combinations, pretty much

[sullen drift]

HR + wall leggo = more rage?

there are so many combos for the last talents rows and trying to figure out what is best for m+ and waht is for raid

[lavish oracle]

We're so early, your best bet is to experiment and figure out what works best for you and when

If ever there was a time for experimenting in an expac, it's now

[sullen drift]

i thought into the fray was out of the contest cause its nerfed so much

but i see players playing it ever tho

even

[lavish oracle]

No, very much useable in raid, when you can consistently get 10% haste from it

Depends on the fight

It's even highest DPS in those circumstances

[sullen drift]

other talents for raid other for m+ and same forl leggos its so confusing...

[lavish oracle]

I think it's fun 😄

Last xpac was so cookie cutter

Nice to have some variety

[sullen drift]

yeah it something different for sure but is everyone else like this or jsut us?

[undone jacinth]

Having one build would be lame af

most classes have multiple viable talents

that’s kinda the point of them

[lavish oracle]

Pally has a little variety, at least, DH has like 2 main builds, one of which is kind of a meme

[undone jacinth]

not really

[lavish oracle]

Not really what?

[undone jacinth]

one them isn’t a meme and there’s still options within both selections

haven’t played my pala much but I’m sure there’s a couple options

[lavish oracle]

Sigil build' s kind of a meme, haha

Yeah, pally has decent variety

[undone jacinth]

spirit bomb build and fiery build both viable the whole way

and there’s some flexibility within them

[lavish oracle]

But anyways, point is, it's not just us, atm

Blizzards balance team has by and large done a pretty stellar job this expansion

Not perfect but miles better than the start of any expansion that I can remember at least

(Which is like WoD up until now, classic to cata is kind of a blur for me, haha)

[glacial flint]

wow did they nerf the shieldwall animas ? ill cant perma shieldwall via IP ...

[undone jacinth]

yeah they balanced everything really well considering covs and legos etc

[lavish oracle]

I was getting pretty good uptime last night, don't know if it was quite perma

[glacial flint]

where can i find that ? only saw shaterring throw

[undone jacinth]

huh

[lavish oracle]

Hm? Shield Wall uptime?

Should show up in details if you have it

Under buff uptime

[glacial flint]

Pepega Clap

im talking about anima nerfs

[undone jacinth]

a live look in to the brain of a twitch chatter

[lavish oracle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=319911/shadowlands-hotfixes-for-december-14-2020-torghast-and-anima-power-tuning

Doesn't seem like they touched the anima power you're talking about

[glacial flint]

ty ^^ does singet anima stack with signet legy?

[near quiver]

What's your guys preferred talents for m+ atm? 12-15 keys.

I currently run with Ravager + AM but I consider going rav + bolster for the damage

[digital nova]

what's the secret to surviving mythics 7-10, just roll SB wih bolster and spam IP and kite when everything is on CD?

[wintry jetty]

some dose of kiting for sure

on some specific packs

[digital nova]

word

[wintry jetty]

then again, I'm far from perfect, but you also need your dps to have some brain

not unleash full aoe on the pack after you used one throw :p

[neat dirge]

bruh imma be real

Devestator talent should be baseline

Devestate is such a fucking lame abillity

i dont ever want a world where Devestator isnt the best

fuck pressing devestate

[digital nova]

agreed, fuck a GCD lock, my old man wrist can't take it

[marsh basin]

does it make sense to craft the wall if my main focus is on m+ and i most likely never tank in a raid? I just like the effect a lot and i am not bound to 1 build

[digital nova]

you'll max them both eventually

go for TL first for m+

then get the wall when you've got TL maxed

[marsh basin]

ok thanks for the reply

[digital nova]

both work in M+, TL is just better in AoE situations, which m+ has a lot of

[undone jacinth]

that's not really always true

[strong forum]

There's so much more that should be baseline, before a talent as devastator, kek

[viscid rune]

This deserves to be displayed on a gold plaque at the start of every mythic dungeon

[neat dirge]

@strong forum yeah well idc, i just never wanna press Devastate, it dosnt have to do with balance or whatever, has to do with quality of life

[strong forum]

Idk I like devastate, does good dmg and has a 30% chance to reset SS, not every filler ability is this good

[neat dirge]

Ur still talking balance, I'm talking quality of life

Come back to me when you understand the difference between those two things

They can easily make it baseline and nerf something, main point is I don't want to be pressing devestate

[undone jacinth]

jeez

[wintry jetty]

wasn't there a toy that let you write on a sign?

[sweet kayak]

Any good addon/weak aura for spell reflect, the Spell Reflection Tracker weak aura seems not working

[muted pendant]

Where are u tanking Shriek?

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

We yolo it pretty much

Everybody positions him somewhere else

[jagged pier]

next to a pillar

[strong forum]

We tanked next to one or the edges where he spawns

You can tank him just before the... Crevices(?) and use that as los

So the melee and tanks don't have to yolo behind the pillars

[robust kite]

About to start forming this group for my +7 PF >_> Wish me luck on not having a stroke during the slime fight

[digital nova]

make sure your ranged actually stand near the boss so they GTFO the way

i've seen so many healers get bodied on that boss

[robust kite]

every time lmfao

Oh yeah this was definitely a key break >_> Glad it happened early

[restive flax]

What do you guys think the damage difference between a kyrian and a necrolord prot warrior would be in raid?

[dense pivot]

10%? 20?

[strong forum]

5-8%ish it seems

In ST the gap isn't as big as it is m+

[steady spruce]

i think i'm gonna take pelagos for arms raid and Kleia for Mythic+ prot

Kleia seems nice in raid but muh parses

[strong forum]

I'd use pelagos for both

[restive flax]

does that chart take the ability into consideration too?

[strong forum]

Pretty sure it does, otherwise what's the point

[steady spruce]

That's what i did until now but i can't swap conduits anymore

so i need different soulbinds for each

[strong forum]

Don't need to min max 1 conduit...

And an endurance conduit at that

[steady spruce]

yeah that's my mistake

[restive flax]

guys do you know if switching covenants lets me progress to the highest renown I was at or just the weekly max?

[steady spruce]

plus the endurance ignore pain conduit seems best for both

[strong forum]

You should be able to catch up instantly

[mild river]

Are you guys still having trouble with aggro after our 10% buff? I feel like shit. I'm at 204 ilv and DKs and fire mages and ret paladins steal my aggro so easily 😫

[restive flax]

yeah but to what maximum?

[strong forum]

12

[restive flax]

okay thanks

[strong forum]

Pretty sure

[restive flax]

I think I'm going to be a spearboi from now on :/

[strong forum]

That's because they're insanely bursty, everybody has aggro issues vs them

[steady spruce]

i dunno how i would deal with some packs without spears tbh

[strong forum]

You need every help you can get to keep their aggro

[steady spruce]

It's a godsend on plaguefall barrels

[strong forum]

Spear is insane

[dapper dock]

Is signet good for prot tankin m+, or is thunderlord better?

[strong forum]

Signet is terrible

It only works with avatar

[dapper dock]

oh

rip

[strong forum]

Since we have a different ravager than arms

[steady spruce]

Spear is good in: Plaguefall first boss, Plaguefall barrels, plaguefall ooze, plaguefall magrave trash/adds
Mists axe dudes, 2nd boss fox
HoA hounds pack

etc

i'm having trouble with plaguefall claw dudes and mists axe dudes for now

if 2 cast at the same time you just die, cast time need to be longer imo becauste rn you can't cc

[restive flax]

which axe dudes in mists?

[steady spruce]

the drusts

soul cleavers

[strong forum]

Kite :)

Cuz this game is shit

[restive flax]

you can cc them no?

[steady spruce]

i do kite but it's still hard, and cc not really they cast pretty fast

[mild river]

We can reflect their debuff

after that i just run for my life

lol

[restive flax]

No i I mean just cc the group immediately after you get the debuff if you didnt make it in time to stop it...

like... the debuff itself is just more damage taken right?

[steady spruce]

for the first pack in mists with a tree woman i try to kite them one way till the tree woman cast her aoe, heroic leap on the other side, then repeat, but i go in melee range each rotation

the debuff that the litte black guys give you when they die? It's dispellable

[restive flax]

ok well, not sure what key youre talking about clearly

[steady spruce]

7-9 mostly

[restive flax]

not for every healer tho

only shamans and druids... I believe?

[steady spruce]

yup, and mages

[restive flax]

And mages should be able to get rid of it

yeah mages arent healers tho

[steady spruce]

you can also use your flask

[restive flax]

and most mages dont even know that the button to decurse exists

[steady spruce]

ahah true

have to ask most tiem

[digital nova]

as a former mage main, that's annoying af

[restive flax]

decursing? why?

[digital nova]

mages not decursing

[restive flax]

oh

[digital nova]

it's basic mage

[restive flax]

yeah agreed

[steady spruce]

interrupt and cc is heresy for many dps

[quartz matrix]

Quick question not only for prot but can we change stats when we upgrade leg ?

[steady spruce]

Players not taking the cc talent like storm bolt

[digital nova]

they can enjoy eating the floor /shrug

[steady spruce]

And then it's the tank/healer fault

for being OS by the spell that needed interrupr

[fierce tendon]

Dps will figure out interrupts as soon as they get past like +7 hopefully lol

or else a lot of wiping for sure

[steady spruce]

i see dps with 600+ rio being fucking carried

[restive flax]

spires is pain without interrupts

[digital nova]

"my KEY! shitty tank!"
"lrn2interrupt"

[steady spruce]

while i'm try harding 4 dungeons that gives me a shitty rio ^^

[digital nova]

necrotic bolt kills tanks, not sure what else to tell dps

[steady spruce]

necrotic bolt isn't really that dangerous imo

and it's like the only spell people will interrupt

[digital nova]

when they chain cast they are

[tulip steeple]

it kinda is

[fierce tendon]

they should let us reflect volley projectiles

[steady spruce]

the red oozes are more important to interrupt for example

necrotic bolt reflect are an easy way to gain threat 😄

[undone jacinth]

dying doesn’t generate any threat unfortunately

necromancer pack in NW is filth

[young glen]

Sorry - badly worded. Giant Fist is applied to every melee attack he does, right?

[jagged pier]

should do

[left rapids]

does anyone know, if the War Machine talent is bugged? It does not proc for me in several situations.

[slim oriole]

Like what?

[sweet summit]

Where and in what way

[left rapids]

If i kill a mob, it should give me 10 rage and a movementspeed boost for 8 sec.

[slim oriole]

A mob that gives you exp

[sweet summit]

If u kill a mob that yields honor or exp

So not old contebt

[left rapids]

thx guys

tooltip might also reflect that better ^^

[sweet summit]

I wish

[chrome dagger]

Hi guys - Arms guy here considering trying prot mostly for m+ - can we do well in that? didnt see many prot warriors in m+ so far

[craggy harness]

phew, angry keystones updated and fixed the kyrian bug

[steady spruce]

@chrome dagger yeah prot is great in M+ but you'll need time to adjust

[nocturne marlin]

@craggy harness ty for this info

[left rapids]

@chrome dagger look into the m+-sections of the guides in the ressources channel. Legendary-choice and talents will improve your experience alot

[quiet sandal]

can reflect soul split from the cleaver adds, if u shockwave them both and spell reflect they hit themselves with it.

[sick sentinel]

why did my torghast portals change from 1 & 4 change to 2 & 6

is torghast weekly and then it chooses 1 random per stair level?

[dense pivot]

what

[sick sentinel]

somebody really botched the naming scheme on torghast so its impossible for me to explain easily

when you enter torghast, you go up the stairs to get to torghast run portals right?

stairs, 3 gates with a portal to qeue in, then stairs and 3 more gates with portals

[dense pivot]

ah ok

no idea

[sick sentinel]

it was like, skoldvous halls last week, and now it's fractured something for me

[smoky wave]

it's on a rotation

[sick sentinel]

with weekly reset?

[dense pivot]

yeah everyone gets the same

yes

[smoky wave]

only really matters if a memory drops from a specific wing for your spec. holy paladin BIS just rotated out for example

[sick sentinel]

so, whatever i see in torghast you will too, thank god, because i have no idea how legendaries or torghast works at all, will need hand holding for those till i figure it out.

i went into LFR and got a 184 conduit and the wall, i now have 6 legos in bags, might be time to work them out.

[steady spruce]

@quiet sandal thanks for the tip! I tend to only focus on reflecting the caster one on those packs. I think i'll be hard to predict when they'll use soul cleave but i'll try

[dense pivot]

you can put them into carver already without crafting anything

to free up some bag space

if you did all the quests up to (but not including) craft the legendary quest

[steel mauve]

ya the carver learns them as if he has his own professions

[sick sentinel]

this is what i got going on anyway

[modest thicket]

hi. so, super casual play, taking it slow and all, full friend group... can venthyr prot hack it up to m+15? 🤔

[dense pivot]

why not

I think Deswind does +15 as prot 🙂

[nocturne marlin]

Do you saw an trinket overview for us? 🙂

[modest thicket]

ok thanks! though i doubt im that good lol we'll see how it goes

[undone jacinth]

dont believe any warrior in the world has done a 15 this week

so maybe give it a bit of time

[dense pivot]

but warriors did it last week tho

or wdym

in fact deswind atrocity and vil did it in the same party, so 3 warriors stacked 🙂

[undone jacinth]

6 warriors in the world did it last week

and deswind has never timed a 15

as prot

in fact hes never timed a 15 as anything

but in time everything becomes easier

[strong forum]

Also with gear*

[undone jacinth]

well yeah time assumes gear

[modest thicket]

yeah... by the time a casual party like ours gets there I'm sure it'll be easier 😅

[jagged pier]

youll be fine with condemn just dont use it on aoe

[modest thicket]

ya that's what i read

I just wanna use it for my dps specs and figured I'd see if I can still be my group's tank

[median niche]

Does anyone know why Revves had to go prot on sludgefist mythic?

[undone jacinth]

battle shout rally

[median niche]

aint it alot of tank damage on that boss

[undone jacinth]

if the tank can live

u bring the tank that gives u utility

not the optimal tank for tanking

[median niche]

true

[undone jacinth]

and warr is fine on last two bosses

limit are using one too

[median niche]

its just scary to think the warr is better as tank than dps on that boss

[undone jacinth]

ur talking about ppl at the absolute top of the game

they will only bring the best dps specs

and right now ww is one of the best so no need for brewmaster

[signal plover]

also prot is pretty fuckin beefy in this raid

[undone jacinth]

and unholy is one of the best so no need for dk

[kindred warren]

Nadja or theotar for tank?

[dense pivot]

yeah it's perfect, uh dk is much better than any dps warr, and who cares if blood or prot tanks

[mellow patio]

Prot war is Actually nuts against sludgefist

They drastically reduce the healing output required on tanks

[stable flower]

If I craft the wall for tanking should I take heavy rep over bolster?

Any one tried dev with In to the fray, heavy repercussions, and the wall?

[steel mauve]

ravager is still better than itf, and bolster is usually your go to but if you want super short shield walls then AM can work with the wall

itf does pull ahead purely single target but ravager still has on demand burst and rage gen

[young glen]

ITF feels so good

I am running ITF/Bolster right now

with the wall

[pliant ore]

Hey guys is there any soft or hard cap for haste on prot? Or do I just go all in?

[undone sun]

no caps to worry about

the natural GCD cap is far away, not worth the mind space

[jagged pier]

106% so not one you can get too

[pliant ore]

ok perfect, thanks! Also Ive seen different opinions on best stat behind haste. Is versatility or mastery better?

[jagged pier]

vers and crit and mastery are all very close vers >= crit > mastery but you really should worry about stats as ilvl trumps all and most defence or damage or what ever your going for comes from play not stats

it basically goes ilvl>>>>>>>haste >>>> vers>=crit>mastery

[pliant ore]

okay, I was leaning towards vers as it helps with all the magic damage in raid anyways. Thanks for the help!

[jagged pier]

haste is still better than vers in terms of magic damage

[pliant ore]

Oh yeah, I meant behind haste. Need as much ignore pain as possible. So much magic damage in that raid

[jagged pier]

i mean not really a lot of it is physical tbh thats why prots so strong

[pliant ore]

haha then it must just feel that way cause the magic hurts so much more

[sturdy sable]

naw alot of the actual damage the tanks are dealing with seems to just be melee swings tbh

in raid*

[sick sentinel]

is floor 6 just hard? why is there 2 diferent portals is one like heroic other is normal?

i need to get 1250 SA, got 635

[ebon jasper]

Theres always 2 different section available

[dense pivot]

I had no trouble up to 7, then it was kinda sketchy, and 8 was ridiculous, only did 1 wing atm with very lucky powers combo

[ebon jasper]

soloing 8 is.. rough

[torn gulch]

I did both floor 8 as prot warrior at 184 ilvl

[sick sentinel]

i did a group with me warrior prot kyrian, healer shaman and dk, and something else, and we destroyed torghast

[torn gulch]

very interesting floors

but i had shield wall permanently

basically

[ebon jasper]

Solo you need good powers

in group it's less of a hassle

[sick sentinel]

we did 4 and 5, and then someone dropped before we could do 6, so i got shafted on carry lol

[torn gulch]

permanent shield wall is decent

i had some wild stuff by the end

[ebon jasper]

Also with the nerf of solo prot taking way more physical damage added with the increased physical damage on upper reaches gets rough

[sick sentinel]

can i just keep running lower torghasts for smaller rewards?

[ebon jasper]

naw

[torn gulch]

you can

a lot of soul ash is frontloaded

[ebon jasper]

you can redo it every week but you dont get soul ash twice for the same level in a week

[torn gulch]

in the lower floors

[sick sentinel]

just incase 6 is too much of a wall for me/group

[torn gulch]

6 is fine?

the fun starts from 7

[sick sentinel]

that's what i'm thinking about

[torn gulch]

i had a lot of guildies die at the sin bolt spitter

and as a prot warrior that boss killed himself

[sick sentinel]

having a dk for grip is the best anytime anywhere

[ebon jasper]

just a shame blizzard decided the boring route

I.E. nerfing tanks instead of buffing others

[sick sentinel]

tanks is binary, you die or you don't, and so then your only 2 jobs is stay alive and mimic a dps

[neat root]

7 is soloable but its much more difficult. I havnt tried 8 yet but 7 made me feel like 8 is not going to be possible.

[torn gulch]

it is

it takes a while but it is

[wooden heath]

I solo'd my 8 today as pot

prot

[dense pivot]

it takes very good RNG with bosses and powers

sometimes you can't get past floor 1

[neat root]

Yeah I guess by not possible I mean you have to get really good RNG

[torn gulch]

i mean if you get the shield wall power plus the wall lego

[dense pivot]

sometimes you breeze higher

[torn gulch]

it's done

permanent shield wall

[neat root]

Need to do 8 to get lego wall crafted

😦

[torn gulch]

i was having the wall up for 1.5 minutes

with about 1.5 min CD on wall

[sick sentinel]

hey blizzard, heres an idea, easy to implement, add torghast to LFG

works just like LFG dungeon, can still do 3 man partial premades for it

5 player

[torn gulch]

i will never do this kind of content in a group

[neat root]

Yeah not with randoms thats for sure.

[torn gulch]

it's my fun even it is more difficult

even with people i know

i like doing the tower solo

[neat root]

I don't mind difficult, as long as its possible. It's a real bad feeling when you spend over an hour grinding to floor 6 only to have the boss be actually impossible to beat.

[dense pivot]

2man is harder

I guess 5mans are super easy

maybe healer tank dps is where it becomes super easy

[sonic tangle]

The guy before the end boss on floor 6 was harder than the actual boss itself. I went in with an spriest friend and we died to that guy more than anything

Helps getting the power that allows you to see where anima drops, that way you can pick and chose where you wanna go and pull

[twin comet]

I read that you can buy the anima power orbs and save them for another run

I was going to try that tonight. Stack up on them and go into the 8 with 10 powers

[slim garden]

How much is haste worth on neck/rings versus other secondary stats? got a 183 ilvl neck with 105 haste / 42 mastery and a 200 ilvl neck with 44 haste / 127 mastery. trying to figure out which is best DEFENCIVLY for me.. just want to know the rule of thumb in how to look at rings and neck with secondary stats in mind. yhank you

[chilly brook]

To be fair at least according to sims BrM is a pumper too who's not too far behind pally in single target

Daily 3rd reminder than layer 8 was free

[chilly brook]

8 was free

[chilly brook]

I had probably the worst rng I've had on layer 8 and still cleared it

[dense pivot]

which powers

[mental scarab]

Bosses take forever🤷🏼‍♂️

[simple mural]

8 lower was a cake walk, 8 upper I was getting two shot. Had to scale it back to layer 6.

[dense pivot]

duelist girl with no powers will clap you

after some stacks she will just two shot you

[chilly brook]

Fairly crappy ones, cleared floor 1 with basically only the generic shadow damage one, never got the execute power, ended with 2 shout damage increase ones, 1 shield slam, 1 rage generation increase, 1 shadow damage proc, 1 shield wall increase, 1 shield wall on IP

Cant remember what else I had but they were all fairly meh

I wasn't doing more than 4k single target and I also fought the duelist she wasn't bad

[dense pivot]

cmon bro

that do the same damage to everyone

if she's first boss and you got no powers you are fucked

[chilly brook]

She hit hard at 8 stacks but that's because I stopped doing anything but execute

They all hit hard

She's probably best suited to you earlier than the casting boy

Considering your toolkit works best against physical

[dense pivot]

there's 3rd melee like boss, I think he's easiest

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[dense pivot]

can't remembr if he's in upper reaches

[chilly brook]

Duelist wasn't very difficult

Big telegraphs on her actual big damage ability

[dense pivot]

nono

she just melees for 10k+

thrust is no problem

[chilly brook]

That wasn't my experience

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I died once to the caster boi

Didnt die to anyone else

Which btw when he uses that pacify thing you can still throw stormbolt

[dense pivot]

you can until he becomes immune to cc

[twilit siren]

Hello, is there any site with mythic+ tips and dungeon strategy???

[chilly brook]

He should be dead by that time

[sick sentinel]

is it just me or does storming do % HP damage

[dense pivot]

well ~185 prot with no powers will not kill sin bolt guy before immunity lol

[chilly brook]

Theres no way you have no powers by the time you fight him

Theres at least 3 on the first floor

[dense pivot]

that's my argument, sure you can kill him with good powers

[chilly brook]

Including strength increases

You shouldn't need good powers

They just help

[dense pivot]

but you are saying if you are really unlucky with powers ( = no powers that are relevant) it's still easy

[chilly brook]

You can go a long way without taking too much damage from sin bolt

And yes I did indeed test that you can los the cast

Works to give you time to get something to just stop the cast

[chilly brook]

Because it's still pretty free

My damage hasn't majorly gone up from ~186 to 193

[dense pivot]

nah it's not

but I'm glad you had a great time

[chilly brook]

This is going to sound harsh

But I know I'm making mistakes

Playing well is far more important in these layers than your powers tbh

[dense pivot]

my dude

lol

[chilly brook]

You can laugh

[dense pivot]

I will

you underestimate how lucky you were

[chilly brook]

But the fact still remains it was a 1 shot

[dense pivot]

go run those layers some more

[chilly brook]

Lucky because I fought the ones that people were having problems with?

And because I got some meh powers

[dense pivot]

or outright lying, but I assume that you are not that kind of person

[chilly brook]

Like BSC?

Which comparatively is hugely worse than other options including generic damage traits

Clear everything

Grab every advantage you can (including every single soul for the strength buff)

Play well

Torghast is really that simple

I play torghast in my free time because I actually like it...@dense pivot

[dense pivot]

record duelist kill with no powers

show me the skill

floor 1

[chilly brook]

Why would you do it with no powers

[dense pivot]

or sin bolt guy

[chilly brook]

[dense pivot]

before immunity kick in

because it will be "unlucky" scenario

[chilly brook]

Wat

[dense pivot]

how many powers you get floor 1

two?

[chilly brook]

If not 3

[dense pivot]

lets say one of them 3% vers, other is mawrats reset charge

[chilly brook]

How often have you seen the first power give you nothing that's even possibly a damage increase or survival

[wild sandal]

is there a sheet that tells which debuffs can be removed by phial and which dont?

[empty nexus]

how tf do we do upper reaches when i get Imperial consular casting every second hit for 20k

[chilly brook]

You mean sin bolt?

[empty nexus]

yea

[chilly brook]

Interrupt

Stun

Both of them

Intimidating shout

LoS

Repeat

Use shield wall, spell reflect

[empty nexus]

cant interupt all of em got fear shockwave kick and thats it gotta wait 30s Los didnt work atleast where i was

[chilly brook]

Stormbolt

This boss literally highlights why stormbolt is objectively the move over rumbling earth

And LoS works

Some objects in the environment while solid for you don't act as LoS

I.e. blade coming off the pillar

Actually have to dip around the corner of the pillar

Not behind the blade

You can always leap out to stop a cast too by ranging and kiting a little bit to get something back

[misty tartan]

raiding Castle normal yesterday, 5 bosses down, plus shriek heroic. Took a look at why my co-tank died so often:
6 bosses , ONE ignore pain in total. Dang

[finite prairie]

I need help guys and gals. I feel really weak right now in M+. I know my gear isn't great but I'm working on it...just had really bad luck (like 20 DOS runs no trinket kinda luck). Stacking haste and versatility where possible.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/dunemaul/greenman

I'm not having threat issues, but survivability on trash is bad. I have decent shield block up time. Most trash pulls its 100% including Bolster to fill gaps. I'm spell reflecting anything I can and usually have IP up to some degree depending on rage and the damage type.

I know I can't push high keys, but I feel like I shouldn't be struggling so much to stay alive in +4 and +5. Is this just gear or L2P?

[strong forum]

Defo an l2p issue

I've done 10-12s at 179, group dmg and coordination aswell as dungeon knowledge is key

[chilly brook]

Tbf IP casts isn't really something that should be life or death

[strong forum]

If you're basically soloing the packs, of course will it be a struggle to survive

There are alot of dangerous mechanics and casts in all dungeons going on

[chilly brook]

Although 1 cast is kinda inting

[strong forum]

Moreso than ever is it vital to know wtf is going on

[finite prairie]

Yeah I mean i feel like I do. I know what casts to interrupt, what to kite or avoid/side step/leap out of etc. Obviously maybe not

[limpid pawn]

Stuck on renown 10 on my alt, no quests available

Anyone know where I should look to catch up

[undone jacinth]

10 and 11 both come from the weekly quests this week

[undone jacinth]

I've seen a lot of ppl come here and say this about their struggles in keys between 4-8... I don't think you do unfortunately

maybe record logs of ur dungeon and it will be easier to tell

[finite prairie]

My interrupt stays on CD, I save Shockwave for either SB gap or emergency interrupt, I know every reflectable spell in 5 mans and I've read every trash mob ability...blah I know none of that helps without logs

[chilly brook]

To be fair lots of DPS dont know what to kick in things like dos

[undone jacinth]

doesnt matter

[chilly brook]

You can't possibly cover everything in those packs yourself

It does though

[undone jacinth]

+4 tyrannical with 185 ilvl

u dont die

even ur dps kicks nothing

[chilly brook]

In an 8 you definitely can

[undone jacinth]

the guy said hes struggling with 4s and 5s

[finite prairie]

My pally buddy says he just stands there and tanks, he never knows mechanics and he never dies lol...is the play gap just that big?

[chilly brook]

I mean

[undone jacinth]

like I said

record logs of ur runs

and I can tell u what ur doing wrong

but ur definitely not doing what u said above

[chilly brook]

You're talking about a class that has an interrupt baked into a main rotational ability that resets quite often

And that ability gives a decent absorb to cover mistakes

[wooden heath]

man chain running De Other Side and Plaguefall for these trinkets on +4 gives for a long day

[timber nest]

Whats everyone doing for legendaries? is it safe to make my boots?

[strong forum]

Thunderlord boots and The Wall shoulders are both great

[chilly brook]

I made the wall

[strong forum]

you cant go wrong with either

[chilly brook]

📈

[timber nest]

i dont h ave the wall memory yet

no raid team :/

[compact siren]

go lfr

teasy

[chilly brook]

The wall+am 📈

[wooden heath]

if I made 210 gloves is it worth it to switch to boots or just leave at gloves is there a switch mechancic?

[chilly brook]

What

[strong forum]

its a 0.01% difference

[chilly brook]

Just leave it

[signal plover]

what's your shield ilvl?

o fuck discord didn't scroll kek

[chilly brook]

The biggest thing with legendaries is just having the effect not the right slot

Granted you should go for highest stat budget

But gloves and feet are so negligible in their differences

[finite prairie]

FWIW i think you have a better chance of getting boots in nath than gloves. Thats why I went with gloves

[exotic spoke]

Glove itemization in CN is better though iirc

[finite prairie]

Yeah I think it was just 1 pair of gloves closer to end but I could be wrong but I would have on Wall shoulders for raid anyway so

[strong forum]

theres 1 pair of gloves in the raid from sludgefist

but its haste/vers

feet are only haste/crit or haste/mast

[undone jacinth]

boots come from shriekwing, by the time most people get the gloves they will have enough ash to recraft the entire lego

[exotic spoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly brook]

But why would they

[exotic spoke]

Rather just make the best piece once personally

[finite prairie]

That was kinda my thinking was I would get short term use til I got the gloves

[chilly brook]

It's so negligible it doesn't matter

[undone jacinth]

most ppl will not have the gloves for a long time and are more likely to get a piece from their vault

which is rng

so its irrelevant

[chilly brook]

Yep

And having haste mast boots isn't going to be a major difference maker

Or haste crit

[sand kestrel]

Is LFR in the game yet? I tried to see if I can queue and there was nothing there to queue for. Is there a quest chain that unlocks the raid maybe?

[crude dust]

Wing 1 is currently available

[sand kestrel]

I must be missing a quest or something then

[undone jacinth]

press i

raid finder

it'll show u everything in the drop down

and tell u the requirements

[crude dust]

I find it interesting that Shriekwing is not in the LFR Wing xD

[undone jacinth]

oh yeh wtf

[sturdy sable]

i did not know that

[sand kestrel]

It's blank for me so something tells me I am missing the quest for the raid itself. I'll have to try to figure out where that quest is

[formal river]

i was ready to crap on alll the night fae faerie crap that i picked on my alt.

but ill be damned if im not enchanted

this opening play is delightful

[chilly brook]

The quest to get your power is hilarious

[leaden steeple]

its now week 5(?) and I'm still wearing 3 heroic pieces

rng is a bitch

[sturdy sable]

hell im still wearing a 161 chest plate

[strong forum]

its week 4

[sturdy sable]

i 198 equip

[jagged pier]

I got epic today

[strong forum]

193 equipped im still using a normal dungeon trinket

[chilly brook]

Ayyyy I'm 193 too

[civic rover]

174 equipped and still using vita

[leaden steeple]

anyone done the math if pvp is faster for gearing than m+

only 450 conquest for 200shield

[chilly brook]

Oh nvm I lied

I'm 194

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/thrall/kaleggula

[jagged pier]

well as pvp gear is capped under m+ ilvl i doubt it

[leaden steeple]

cant you upgrade it?

[jagged pier]

yer but im prettu sure max pvp ilvl, is below m+ max ilvl

[turbid cargo]

mmm
max pvp ilvl is 226

[jagged pier]

okay but what do you need for that 2400?

[undone jacinth]

elite ye

[turbid cargo]

2100

1800 is 220, 1600 is 213

[undone jacinth]

pvp is major worth

[turbid cargo]

^

[undone jacinth]

1800 pretty easy

well maybe not this early

[turbid cargo]

1600 is super easy

[leaden steeple]

is prot even viable in pvp havent tried yet

only have 161 twohander for arms

[sick sentinel]

no

[chilly brook]

Imagine even having a 2h

I probably should start pvping

[undone jacinth]

prot can actually pvp

because intervene and reflect so op right now

[chilly brook]

Gib glad stance back

[turbid cargo]

^

[chilly brook]

[kindred warren]

I gave up on fury

Didn’t have time to start my own groups or try to apply to every single group only to get denied, now it’s fuck it went back to prot and now it’s not as bad

[undone jacinth]

doubt ppl care that much about spec

if u have ilvl and rio

they gonna take u

[wooden heath]

I see the top raider.io of M+ are using the legendary that allows avatar plus bladestorm or recklessness is that good for trash m+ or not better than wall/thunder

[chilly brook]

No

[quiet sandal]

they prolly dualspec

and u catch them in diff gear than they use for m+

[chilly brook]

Bladestorming in avatar is pretty bad for your survival

[quiet sandal]

it's ok if u have shield block up before avatar

[chilly brook]

Source: been the cause of some close calls in torghast for me

[wooden heath]

next question: if I have a 210 thunder on gloves do I get a 210 wall too next then upgrade or upgrade the 225 i dont wanna hinder myself I guess

[chilly brook]

Tbh I would just get one to max

[quiet sandal]

depends on what content u do most

[granite nacelle]

i'm going the other way

[chilly brook]

But that's just me

[granite nacelle]

and getting a wall to 210 today as well

[chilly brook]

Hence why I just went with the wall

[granite nacelle]

210 thunder and a 210 wall will let you switch out based on fight and affix -- at least thats my thought

[misty tartan]

clap doesn't reset slam cd anymore right?

[chilly brook]

No thunderclap still has a chance to reset the CD

[tall salmon]

the top 1 war prot is playing with the legendary that activate bladestorm when u avatar is that worth?*

[earnest lava]

they patched torghast right? layer 8 MUCH easier now

although still getting incorrect powers

[granite nacelle]

lightless force

[undone jacinth]

not rly if u don't know what ur doing with it

[tall salmon]

does in works on warrior prot ravager?

it*

[sleek thorn]

How is it being used?

[undone jacinth]

doesnt work with ravager no afaik

and I'm not 100% sure but I am assuming because he has a boomkin in his group that he's using it for max damage and threat during trees and then kiting most of the time

outside of mit