protection

[hazy osprey]

having the passive devastator is way too nice for fights like that

[jagged pier]

alot of warriors are in raid, im considering trying it

[lavish oracle]

Lightee was running like Dragon Roar/UF/AM for keys the other day, I think our talents are pretty flexible

It's lightee though, so like, he can play what he wants

[jagged pier]

yer but he was running it for the sole purpose of grapping threat because of his dps and then running

[lavish oracle]

Isn't that the tank gameplay loop at the moment in M+?

[jagged pier]

if you pushing keys sure, but there are also many ways you can tank the keys

nom can probably explain better why he used though talents I dont push keys

I wouldnt recommend thoughs to anyone

I think its generally they are the best for him in that situation, but in general is not a good build

[lavish oracle]

I'm not recommending anything, I'm just pointing out that the talents in some of our rows are close enough as to be flexible in current content

[vestal mason]

So hi there, I'm a bit new to tanking and I have a question about Necrotic Wake and the 1st miniboss you face after the 1st boss and before the bridge. Is there a good way to handle that pack as warrior?
I seem to get a lot of that debuff that makes me unhealable and in the end that is just me end up dying due to unhealable

[lavish oracle]

best way is to either skip it or rely heavily on the orb from the fallen goliath you can pick up just beforehand

[hazy osprey]

every pack with sorcerers and that miniboss you just need the group to kick necrotic bolt

also make liberal use of stun options etc

[vestal mason]

Does the smaller skeletons also cast that?

[hazy osprey]

it puts a debuff that absorbs healing up to a certain amount

afaik it's only the miniboss and all the mobs called Sorcerer

[jolly thistle]

I’d just skip it

[hazy osprey]

there's also the Bonemenders which heal so sometimes kick prio is a little rough

[dense vessel]

CC the smaller casters and burst down the big one

[hazy osprey]

can you skip it? that miniboss is right in the middle of the road before the bridge

[lavish oracle]

Right around here there's an orb that pulses AoE damage and interrupts all casts when you use it, it only lasts a few second

[hazy osprey]

interesting, i had no idea lol

[lavish oracle]

You can pick it up and save it for that pack

[hushed zealot]

The orb is god tier

[lavish oracle]

if you die beforehand, you lose it

you can also reliably skip the pack with invis or by sapping the skeleton closest to the wall

[hushed zealot]

There is also one right at 3nd boss hidden on the Goliath as you walk into boss platform

[vestal mason]

Can you mind soothe the skeletons?

[hushed zealot]

2nd boss

[vestal mason]

With a priest

[lavish oracle]

Yes

[vestal mason]

I know its not the same thing as sap but maybe the distance will be enough

[young glen]

Orb + Shockwave + Focus is usually enough

[lavish oracle]

the skip is very tight, though, you have to be as close to the wall as physically possible

or you pull the pack

[vestal mason]

Maybe I should try using orb, when they are up again use shockwave and group keeps focusing the middle dude

[lavish oracle]

Bolster is gonna make that pack a nightmare this week

[vestal mason]

Oh thats right

[lavish oracle]

I'd recommend skipping it entirely if you can

[vestal mason]

Forgot about bolster this week

[lavish oracle]

Bolster just seems like it makes that dungeon a nightmare in general, come to think of it

[vestal mason]

Same with Spires :S

[lavish oracle]

On second thought, Necrotic Wake is closed this week

just don't go there 😛

Spires is a nightmare every week

that dungeon sucks

[young glen]

why

[lavish oracle]

There are some reeeally kick heavy packs in there

there are some packs in there that require like 3-4 melee kicks or you're gonna eat shit

[hazy osprey]

did somebody say

rebellious fist?

[lavish oracle]

haha

[young glen]

Hm

I think spires is okay

[lavish oracle]

and dark lash, and burden of knowledge, and whatever the heal is called

forsworn doctrine?

hate it in there

[jolly thistle]

depends what comp you’re running. there is lots of buffs that you can purge and don’t need to kick

[lavish oracle]

I like spires aesthetically, I just wish they weren't like "let's give every mob in here a mechanic that will wipe the group"

Yeah, that's fair

[hazy osprey]

thunderlord slot, hands>feet right?

[lavish oracle]

Other way around

[hazy osprey]

ah ok

[lavish oracle]

feet have better stat budget

[young glen]

I am in love with our hpala

Such a force

[empty nexus]

what endurance conduit to use for m+

[lavish oracle]

I like Unnerving focus at the moment, makes me feel next to invincible during last stand

(while running bolster, anyways)

[smoky sparrow]

if i have 210 thunderlord now should i craft the wall or upgrade

mostly doing m+

[lavish oracle]

Entirely up to you

I'd probably craft the wall

the strength of legendaries is front-loaded

[empty nexus]

just idk which one to look for bcs didnt get any good one yet only have victory rush one lol

[lavish oracle]

so the extra ilvl is nice but not super necessary

[smoky sparrow]

im thinking the wall would be pretty good for this weeks affixes

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, having the ability to swap legendaries for different situations is always gonna be valuable

you'll have rank 4 of all of them soon enough anyways

[smoky sparrow]

true

whats rank 3 ilvl this week again

[empty nexus]

yeah i dont see a point upgrading legendaries cuz its only fiew stats i would rather have multiple 190s to swap for situations

[lavish oracle]

Uhhh, 235? maybe?

or is that rank 4?

[smoky sparrow]

225

[steady spruce]

With new affix will dh kiss our feet ?

[undone jacinth]

what affix

[wheat jasper]

i got a 220 Bladedancer's trinket in the vault... "yay"

do we have a trinket list somewhere?

[sick sentinel]

Yo bois, what are we picking on Pelagos at reknown 10? Im honestly thinking Cleansed Vestments for those sweet sweet drops, the left side only seem to reduce the cooldown on the other meme stuff, I guess you get a free tome more often but thats it

[strong forum]

Blade dancer is the worst trinket

Should've picked anything literally anything else

[sick sentinel]

Bond of Friendship vs. Cleansed Vestments on Pelagos, what we picking?

Im thinking vestments

[jagged pier]

whatever you want

[wheat jasper]

not like i have a huge list to pick from. its either that trinket or a 200 gluttonous spike.

and i havent picked yet ^^

atm i got a 184 blood scale and the DM trinket

[strong forum]

Spike would've been better

Double on use trinkets arent recommended

[wheat jasper]

thats what i took, yes

[strong forum]

Ah good

[wheat jasper]

replaced the DM trinket

[native coyote]

I don't see how Bond of Friendship would have any impact at all. Cleansed Vestments could have a positive impact on my gold purse.

[sick sentinel]

exactly, technically you get a free talent tome more often, and in the future i guess the teleport pad and a mailbox more often but honestly who cares

if those event count

even *

[soft flower]

you can swap them right? iirc only changing the conduit in the slot takes energy? could be misremembering though

[ebon hound]

only putting a conduit into a socket takes 1 energy

[brittle owl]

but it is optimal sometimes

muh minmax

[still pagoda]

but not all the time

[strong forum]

Double on use is cringe

Don't @ me

[lean anchor]

how noticeable is the prot change in torghast?

[nimble drift]

What's the prot change

[tulip steeple]

wat

[lean anchor]

blue post sec ill find it

https://www.wowhead.com/news=319911/shadowlands-hotfixes-for-december-14-2020-torghast-and-anima-power-tuning

[With regional restarts] Enemy health increased for healer specializations and enemy physical damage increased for tank specializations. These changes are targeted towards solo players and have a reduced effect while in a group.

was wondering if prot felt different from this

[eager phoenix]

why are they cucking solo gaming torghast. makes no sense

[native coyote]

explains why layer 7 in Torghast today felt much harder than last weeks layer 6

[strong forum]

Yey...make chores harder

We always loved that

[lean anchor]

ah ok so you did notice it

[stray sierra]

does the kyrian ability root all the mobs?

[native coyote]

yes, it felt like a small bug with scaling until I read that

[nimble drift]

Torghast was a nightmare today. If I got the healing boss as the final one, golux or something, I had to restart

Restarted twice and then got the venthyr dude

[lean anchor]

at least it isnt magic damage

in the buff

[restive flax]

Is there a point where we should stop wanting haste?

[native coyote]

had to restart Torghast at the end of floor 1, had a caster boss and no useful powers at all 😐

[restive flax]

dude theres going to be another one on floor 2

[lean anchor]

yeah if you get through floor 2 and have nothing good its time to rerack imo

wish it was was 3-4 levels not 6

and that stupid questline making you reclear it again a total of 5 times last week instead of just having the quest mob spawn at the end of your next run

[nimble drift]

I just run with a boomkin and have him run single target spec

[lean anchor]

made me rage

[nimble drift]

He kills floor bosses and elites while I get everything else

Its great

[lean anchor]

moonkin are good friends atm

for everything

[jagged cipher]

is prot warrior the best spec for us to solo torghasts with?

[strong forum]

Ye

Tanks have the easiest time in torghast

[lean anchor]

it got nerfed

[strong forum]

So far atleast

[lean anchor]

about to find out how hard

still has to be easier than arms that felt impossible on a 6

[native coyote]

still very much doable but more dependant on what powers you can get, especially early in the run

[lean anchor]

go for all boss usable ones imo

[nimble drift]

I have a friend that plays arms and he couldn't kill the caster boss

[lean anchor]

yeah i had to swap to prot for it bc of that

[nimble drift]

Was too much damage

[lean anchor]

which was good tbh i learned it is really fun

[astral crystal]

it's awful for tanks now

made it to layer 8 final boss and he was unkillable

had to go as a group

[lean anchor]

did you swap specs or leave

hm

but then i would need friends

[naive swan]

Does the increased physical damage apply only when solo? Or does it scale down with more players in the group?

I took 1 friend and layer 7 was no prob

Also did they nerf the 4000% shattering throw anima power? I got it for the first time yesterday, and it says does not apply to bosses

[restive flax]

yep it got nerfed

[lean anchor]

i oneshot a lvl 6 boss with it last week

[naive swan]

Sad

[lean anchor]

that is too bad

[restive flax]

its stupid too

like... what would you use it on if not a boss?

[lean anchor]

the portal gaurdians i guess

whatever theyre called

[restive flax]

Or does "boss" mean in this instance portal guardian / endboss

[naive swan]

I does work on those guys yeah

[ebon jasper]

feels like torghast should probably have been a bit more of a "buff others instead of nerfing"

[lean anchor]

i think they wanted the value to be about the anima power

and not oneshotting bosses

but still it was great and now it isnt

glad you said that i would have taken it instantly

[naive swan]

Its still really good I think

Those endfloor guys can be rough

Esp casters, harder than the boss as prot some of them

[earnest lava]

wtf happened to torghast... i went from not even concentrated and solo destroying the whole thing, to barely clearing 1-2 mobs with all cooldowns and getting smashed

[crisp dragon]

Upper layer 8 you cant do yet, I think you need more gear

[earnest lava]

can barely do first floor of 7... wtf

[crisp dragon]

I did lower 7 and 8 with ease, but layer 8 upper

[earnest lava]

as prot?

[crisp dragon]

I had to do layer 6 upper just for soul ash, but it was incredible hard

Yeah

[earnest lava]

well normal no elite mobs are destroying me with endless casts and have so much hp i cant kill them before they kill me... not posible

[muted pendant]

ugh guys - 210 Anima Field Emitter or 184 Decanter as my passive trinket? Second one is still 171 Scale (because Im "lukcy").

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, the bosses before the next floor were extremely scary, but with the right powers it wasnt too bad, it was close a few times

[pseudo crest]

sharpening stones or shadowcore oil as consumable?

[muted pendant]

oil works well with the right pot

[pseudo crest]

ty

[undone jacinth]

226 decanter, I’ll take it I’ll take it

[strong forum]

I'd use anima emitter because the haste is really nice

I'm using a 158 anime still

[calm arrow]

Hi guys, i need help for trinket choice : I have one 203iLvl from PF that brings 106 stamina [Slimy Consumptive Organ] or other trinkets that brings Strength ([
Spare Meat Hook] iLvl 197, [
Decanter of Anima-Charged Winds] iLvl 184 and also the darkmoon fair melee trinket, which one is best for tank ?

[strong forum]

Use decanter + darkmoon Deck Voracity

Throw the slimy consumption organ into the trash

Or rather get it disenchanted

[calm arrow]

ok 😄

so, the logic behind is to get the most strenght as possible, right ?

and great active item (haste from Darkmoon fair)

[earnest lava]

7 floor 2...

end of floor 1 was easiest mob, regular elits smashed me

[craggy harness]

the ritualist with his spam casting bolt?

and whatever the volley is

on 6 i handled it with the last stand healing spam and victory rush, but didn't have the anime for the CD when i tried 7 first time]

and dodging around corner and CC

didn't have patience i guess lol

"oh no, you again"

[earnest lava]

lmfao they broke torghast

floor 2 is SO EASY

but i only got one shitty defensive cooldown

oh and im getting DK powers....

[craggy harness]

well duh, we're in shadowlands

<spooky> nothing is as you thought it was

[whole isle]

Hey guys, can you still block/dodge/parry while bladestorming?

[strong forum]

Yes

[restive flax]

so... how do you die at Devos when your group sucks and you want to reset?

like... My entire group died and the intermission phase started shortly after

And I was just standing there for like 30 seconds or so and nothing happened

Jumping down also doesnt kill you as you get these wings that catch you

[craggy harness]

Oh, when you jumped down, did you get a spear?

was in a m0 where healer didn't know to stand in bubble, so -- wipe

but one time, it felt like I got the spear during p2

without having brought the thing to the center

[restive flax]

no i mean, the intermission started but it took ages for her to kill me so I was wondering if there is a way to speed that up 😄

It was just m0 for the weekly

[craggy harness]

the one where you get the swirles you bring to shoot her down?

[restive flax]

yes

[craggy harness]

yeah that's what i'm talking about... i got "saved" by the wings, but it felt like i had the spear action

[restive flax]

Yeah I didnt have the spear^^

has nothing to do with it

[prisma crow]

is there anything for log analysis or simming that is effective for tanks? does wowanalyser work well?

[honest plinth]

collect as many debuff stacks as you can?

[craggy harness]

It shouldn't, but something wierd seemed to be happen.

maybe i was just seeing red that the healer died twice in two pulls of that

[restive flax]

yeah thats what I ended up doing. but it still took ages to die LUL

Speaking about spires actually

How the hell do you survive the packs before the second boss at something like +10?

pop cds and pray that your party has enough dps?

[polar radish]

@craggy harness there are extra spears in the air for the achieve https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=14323/exspeariential#

[strong forum]

Wowanalyzer was updated for bfa, dunno if its up for SL already

[craggy harness]

Now the achievement makes sense, hadn't looked into it beyond the in game description

tnx

[restive flax]

Is there a softcap for haste we can reach atm? Or is it just haste > every other secondary overall?

[jagged pier]

106%

[strong forum]

Aka, no, there's no reachable softcap

50% isn't gonna be too much even, and you won't reach that point anytime soon

[wooden heath]

random question my weekly gave me 213 haste/vers glovees as a reward is it worth it to switch my thunderlords to boots and miss out on upgrading (I am at 210 thunderlords right now on gloves)

[ionic fern]

Don't look at uptime, look at blocked hits %.
Also, IP uptime doesn't matter in general as it's mostly used as a rage dump to help smooth out damage intake.
Yes, we still get free Revenge procs, and yes it is "Revenge!"

[warped linden]

AM vs Bolster when using the Wall?

I'm seeing a lot of people take bolster in logs

[patent cairn]

So guys, how's feeling +10% threat ?

[jagged pier]

i doubt ill feel it as i didnt have an issue in the first place 🤷

[jolly thistle]

depends what you want? Offensive or defensive. HR works good on the single target - taunt swap bosses like hungering destroyer...

[warm apex]

7 torghast is kicking my ass, even though I did 6 no problem. Should I bring in like a Disc priest with me or something?

[undone jacinth]

u just need the bolster most of the time if ur taking big dmg

[jagged pier]

they buffed torghast for tanks and healers

[warm apex]

That explains alot.

Whats the next best thing then? Just a duo dps who can off heal? Or just run a 5 man?

[undone jacinth]

group is longgg

[warped linden]

I guess maybe a better question would be, what kind of CD does shield wall have with the wall/AM vs wall/bolster

[warm apex]

Yeah, ive done it before, it sucked. But at this point, I can not solo it. So I I need an alternative that won't be too oppressive on the scaling

[jagged pier]

its preference of what you want Bolster vs AM which ever one you like the best

[warped linden]

did you get screwed on powers that run or has it just been nerfed that bad for prot?

[undone jacinth]

what’s ur ilvl

[warm apex]

I mean, the powers weren't exiting, but this nerf seems really strong. 192

[undone jacinth]

could maybe just get some more gear first

much quicker with a few more ilvls

[earnest lava]

189 ilevel, just struggled through layer 7 even with good powers

[undone jacinth]

10s dropping 207 now so is pretty easy to gear up

[modern brook]

properly played AM is ~45s off iirc

[earnest lava]

some of the elites are massively overtuned, the end of layer elites sometimes have infinite spam cast damage that just nukes you, assue that is bugged, i also randomly had some DK powers

[warped linden]

ty

[earnest lava]

@modern brook thats with the conduit though right?

[modern brook]

The conduit would have no effect on how much cdr am provides

assuming you're talking abut the CDR on SW conduit

[earnest lava]

he asked CD on SW

[warped linden]

yeah but this also answers the question

[undone jacinth]

bull was just talking about the AM part

[warped linden]

knowing AM is roughly 45 sec helps

[modern brook]

I mean yeah AM is the only one that doesnt say howmuch it reduces

[undone jacinth]

u need to add in wall part and conduit

[earnest lava]

ok, i misundertood

[warped linden]

assuming wall/conduit for both specs, i was just comparing AM to Bolster mainly

[sweet summit]

Pretty sure u get more than 45 sec cdr off sw with am

[undone jacinth]

that’d be 450 rage in 4min?

[sweet summit]

Yeah

[undone jacinth]

or just over 3min I guess

that seems very low

[strong forum]

Yes.

AM is roughly 50% CDR

[warped linden]

meaning it would drop SW down to 2min essentially?

[strong forum]

Along those lines yes

[warped linden]

tough call between the talents tbh

[strong forum]

I've done a couple dungeons with wall+AM

[undone jacinth]

that’d make wall cd probably less than a minute with devestator?

or around that time

[strong forum]

Minimal CD of SW is 55sec-ish

[sweet summit]

Roughly ye with am and wall

[undone jacinth]

yeah

[strong forum]

Unless you get mad SS procs

[undone jacinth]

that seems good tbh

even compared to bolster

[strong forum]

Been running that in m+ for the past few dungeons

[modern brook]

that including the conduit?

[strong forum]

It's pretty alright, yes with conduit

[modern brook]

nutty

[strong forum]

But depending on dungeon

[undone jacinth]

tbh on tyrannical you might as well just run the party wall Lego and AM lmao

[strong forum]

I wouldn't run Bolster in DoS for example

And on tyra I'd always run Bolster

[undone jacinth]

ya

gonna be a rough week

[tardy parcel]

Hey, guys. Been running with 184 Overwhelming Power Crystal + Viscera of Coalesced Hatred because I've had poor luck on the Hakkar trinket. Got the 200 Kael'thas cheat death trinket last night - does it have any value as a defensive trinket over either of these guys I'm currently running with, or is it junk? I've been seeing the discussion about it here before - but just wondering if it happens to be better than either of the specific 2 I'm running with

[strong forum]

Cheat death trinkets are finicky.
Its a decent trinket but if you never proc it, it's useless

[muted pendant]

Who's Tyra? I'm thinking of running AM+ the SW CDR conduit in m+ this week as well but I do not have the Wall yet, only r2 TL

[tardy parcel]

Yea that's been my issue with it lol. And the explosion that hurts allies

[strong forum]

Tyrannical

[muted pendant]

oh

😄

[strong forum]

Only hurts allies if they're too close

If you far away enough you can do some good dmg

But 8min Cd for some dmg..

[tardy parcel]

yeah...

[muted pendant]

so would you run bolster with TL in DoS this week?

[strong forum]

Better just farm the hakkar trinket

[strong forum]

Tough call tbh

[tardy parcel]

That's what I'm thinking as well. Even at 184 it'd blow the KT trinket out of the water in usefulness. Thank you!

[strong forum]

I haven't played tyrannical yet so im gonna have to feel it out.
I prefer running wall now for my keys

Sitting on 4min CD of SW is a horrible feeling and the extra 5rage per SS is huge QoL

Will prolly end up playing bolster + unnerving conduit + the wall leggo

[muted pendant]

I see

[steady spruce]

Is Signet really bad for prot in M+? I play arms in raid and i'd like to not have to craft several legs. as Kyrian.

[strong forum]

Signet doesn't work with Ravager

So you only get the use out of Avatar

[steady spruce]

Should be hotfix tho no?

[strong forum]

Not that I know of

[sweet summit]

Im using signet atm :)

Itsfun

[steady spruce]

It really does look like the funniest leg

[sweet summit]

But weak

[strong forum]

Getting 4 sec of reck

Or 3sec bladestorm once every 1.5min

Idk what's fun about that

[sweet summit]

Bladestorm is fun

[steady spruce]

yeah

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[hallow phoenix]

Spinning is always fun

[steady spruce]

yeah it makes me dizzy

so fun

[sweet summit]

Mostly using it since thats the only lego i have that works for prot

And its better than nothing

[steady spruce]

having to kill stone generals in pug is not fun tho

[strong forum]

The boss is free as shit tho

Like, it does nothing

Literally didn't wipe on it, 1 pull gone

[steady spruce]

oh nice

[sweet summit]

Ya

[strong forum]

Incredibly undertuned

[sweet summit]

Sludge is the "hard one"

If u can kill that u can kill both next ones

[jagged pier]

not anymore he got nerfed again

[sweet summit]

Oh

[strong forum]

Ye sludge fucks compared to the rest of the raid

[sweet summit]

Wasnt that just the hp tjo

[strong forum]

HP and shit on floor more visible

[signal plover]

sludge stilla bigboi

[jagged pier]

Fixed an issue where Sludgefist's Giant Fists were not hitting the secondary target for the correct amount of damage.
Sludgefist's melee attack damage has been decreased by 18% on Normal and Heroic difficulties.

[restive flax]

Speaking about Sludgefist

[strong forum]

Also only normal HP was nerfed no?

[jagged pier]

they were last night

[sweet summit]

Ye

[strong forum]

Ah

[sweet summit]

Only normal

[restive flax]

Does his double auto attack get copied to the second tank?

Or does the rest go through?

[strong forum]

Double auto?

[restive flax]

The aoe auto attack

[signal plover]

it literally wasn't doing anything to the secondary tank

[jagged pier]

yer it hurt XD

[restive flax]

He hits two people with his normie attacks

[signal plover]

well it was doing some but it was like 10k damage over the course of the full fight

[strong forum]

Thats 1 on you 1 on the cotank

[sweet summit]

Man i dont know i havent tanked that fight

[restive flax]

ok so it doesnt make a difference if the tank who has aggro blocks the attack?

[signal plover]

in theory both should need to mitigate

[restive flax]

Thats not really the question though. It was more along the lines of: do both get 100% of the hit or does the inactive tank get a reduced amount if the active tank blocks

[signal plover]

but it was broken last week so not sure if its a jump that's reduced with primary tanks mitigation or not

i understand

my point is it's unclear atm

[restive flax]

The ability just reads super weird

[signal plover]

the fact that it says "carries through" makes me think it should depend on primary tank mit tho

so imo warr on boss is very strong while you have block

[undone jacinth]

I assume they used same code as the eternal palace guy

[signal plover]

ill let ya know later we're doin him heroic tonight

[undone jacinth]

so would be based on mit

[signal plover]

i mean, huge assumption

[undone jacinth]

ya

who knows

[signal plover]

jakey when was that fixed, regional restart?

[undone jacinth]

I was wondering why I took nothing from it

[tardy parcel]

fwiw when my blood dk co-tank would parry sludge's melee, it parried it for me as well if i wasn't actively tanking

but it's a pain in the neck to figure out how the melee actually spreads the damage lol

[undone jacinth]

blood DK maintanking it if it is based on mit will be scary

[rain dune]

We're running brew/prot and having the brew be the primary on sludge felt smoother

That's on normal though, so not sure if it'll change for heroic +

[undone jacinth]

is that since the fix?

[rain dune]

That was last night and last week.

[cunning sluice]

Question for you guys - compared to other tanks in their current state how would you rate Prot warriors difficulty compared to other tank being played ? I know that Guardian druid is supposedly the easiest tank to learn. How does Prot warrior compare ?

[tardy parcel]

Idk. We just swapped tanking as we rotated cooldowns lol

[signal plover]

@cunning sluice pwarr is the least forgiving and has to be played in a more preventative way* than any other tank

[undone jacinth]

but it’s not overly complex

generate rage, roll ur blocks

[fierce tendon]

shield block go brrr

[restive flax]

I'm so tempted to just run ITF tonight... I'm sitting at 42% haste when my anime field emitter proccs

[undone jacinth]

imo all tanks are similar to learn other than DK

[signal plover]

def run ITF

[jagged pier]

I mean ITF is what u run in raid if that what your talking about

[restive flax]

I'm a fan of spinny blade

[fierce tendon]

ravager is only better in m+ imo, the rage gen doesn't compare with the survivability haste gives in raid

Also competes with dmg from rav

[signal plover]

itf in raid is a blast

[fading crypt]

Whats the easiest dungeon for the weekly quest? As a prot warrior im ilvl 182 with thunderlord leg

[signal plover]

any of em

[restive flax]

I dont really look at performance 100% of the time. I just do what feels well and works well for me. I'm not a progressive raiderman

[tardy parcel]

any of them on 0 with 182 ilvl lol

but mists is the quickest

[hallow phoenix]

Wake or mists are fast

[signal plover]

we did mists, spires (double weekly), nw, and halls

[fading crypt]

Ok. Thanks all

[fierce tendon]

that was my exact 4 weird

[gloomy harbor]

hey guys i am a bit confused about the Hakkar trinket people mention here, as for me hakkar doesnt drop a trinket. are you referring to the quantum device or power crystal?

[cedar rose]

What conduits do you guys like using for raiding?

[undone jacinth]

Blood splattered scale is probably what people mean

[cunning sluice]

^

[restive flax]

hakkar does drop that tho

[timber lagoon]

I got. 213 gluttonous spike from emissary quest, that's pretty bad right?

[fierce tendon]

I do rallying cry and last stand rage gen conduits

[jagged pier]

PV and LS conduit

[restive flax]

I got hc Ritualists Treasured Ring

mmmhh all the haste

[granite nacelle]

So -- legendary -- boots level 3 or build the wall to have two legendaries

[strong forum]

Hakkar drops a tank trinket, check your lootspec @gloomy harbor

And that one is referred to

[undone jacinth]

I got gloves which already have my TL on xd

[gloomy harbor]

@strong forum ah i see! makes sense ty!

is this considered the bis trinket overall or only for certain situations? and how about the best second trinket?

search function dropped me in tank area anyways ahaha sry guys

will ask in arms

[muted pendant]

That is like an extra def CD for us

it scales

[mellow patio]

Kek scales

Get it

[raw hedge]

i got it too

it sims so freaking bad

but to me it seems like effect should be good in mythic + at least

[timber lagoon]

Yeah idk, I have a 187 anima field and the darkmoon voracity, don't want to drop all that HASTE

[raw hedge]

problem with anima field in high mythic + is that u have to mvoe constantly

[open gazelle]

what fucking trinkets should i roll for m+ keys for 10+?

[undone jacinth]

scale and w/e

[tardy moth]

I definitely take the shield right? (currently 200 ilvl shield and meh M0 trinkets).

[restive flax]

oh god... i want the shield

Also the armor kit is a meh trinket too. Unless it got fixed / improved

[tardy moth]

yeah seems like a cool idea, but realistically probably isn't that great

[jolly thistle]

yeah get the shield

[tardy moth]

done and done

[restive flax]

now give me the shield 🔫

[tardy moth]

😉

aero has left the server

[restive flax]

^^

[uncut jasper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/arFffGmATBkm8cK4Ee4X6t feels nice to break the 4

[restive flax]

I thought you were prot for a second and was confused LUL

[uncut jasper]

oops wrong channel

[modern brook]

this mf gets a 213 shield and im still on a 131 😦

[tardy moth]

ha

[restive flax]

couldnt you just buy a pvp shield?

[tardy moth]

still got a blue 171 wep

[strong forum]

Fury

[uncut jasper]

[sick sentinel]

Any word on the legos I should be after?

[strong forum]

The wall on shoulders or thunderlord on boots

[sick sentinel]

I got fhubderlord and something else last night

[tardy moth]

oh yeah that's my next question what leggos am I prioritizing as raid tank/M+ tank

[sick sentinel]

That misspelling is better it stays

[tardy moth]

going to be tanking for the raid team going forward.

interesting ty I'll have to have a look at what I have already wasn't paying too much attention to non dps legendarys in last week or two but definitely got some

[sick sentinel]

How do you determine correct add to fight in mists 2nd boss

Path seems easy but wasn't able to work out adds

[wispy tundra]

there's always a difference between the four, weather its a single leaf or single flower, a single one circled or not circled, and a single one filled, not filled.

[tired jasper]

What to choose 😮

got same helm ilvl187 and trinket 184

[tardy moth]

I do like the scale, but yeah nice helm.

[sick sentinel]

I think I would want either of Dr other side trinkets

[honest plinth]

my god

people get lucky

[strong forum]

Helmet cuz you can get the scale at 210 from +15

[honest plinth]

with hakkar

[open gazelle]

i got 223 shoulders

[honest plinth]

and even ask should they pick it or not

you need to tun +15 to get it

also you get 1 item when deplete

[strong forum]

+10 already drops 207

Soooo

Yeh.

Waste to not pick the amazing 220 helmet

[tired jasper]

yeah

[acoustic stratus]

i dunno how the hell you gys aree doing +10 and above keys, i get crushed on 8s

[muted rapids]

bargast leash anything worth?

[ionic fern]

Good DPS'ers make or brake keys.

[acoustic stratus]

and storming

dealing with this shit is hell

[strong forum]

This week is death

[acoustic stratus]

sanguine depths is a no go

[mellow patio]

Keys don’t exist this week

[strong forum]

^

[mellow patio]

I will complete my 14 and slither back into the depths

[acoustic stratus]

i did a +8 ToP

[ionic fern]

I'm just leveling alts which i will probably never play during this week. 😂

[acoustic stratus]

and it was not fun

[mellow patio]

Mwahi that is relatable

I have 3 alts

[honest plinth]

you still can farm 10s for gear this week

[strong forum]

Yeah I'll grind 10s for a while

[mellow patio]

Those don’t count as keys

[strong forum]

Also true

[mellow patio]

When I say keys don’t exist I mean keys that are challenging don’t exist

I also just loathe tyr so even farming 10s feels annoying

[open gazelle]

whats the max ilvl drops from end of keystone dungeon this week?

[strong forum]

+15 with 210 end of run

+14 with 226 weekly

[mellow patio]

You’re prob better off farming 10s tho

Not prob

Defo

[strong forum]

10s drop 207 now

[mellow patio]

Exactly

[strong forum]

So 100% the sweetspot to grind

[open gazelle]

i dont like vers this expac as much compared to last

[mellow patio]

Well yeah

[smoky wave]

man, much envy. not even had time to do a 2 yet 😢

[mellow patio]

It’s not a super amazing stat

Corruption just made it dumb

[strong forum]

^

[open gazelle]

i like crit way more

[mellow patio]

Crit means huge pipes and free parry

DR on every hit or 0 dam on some hit and huge muscles I think you know where my allegiances lie

[wispy tundra]

Got lucky with a shield this week

[ionic fern]

o.o

[mellow patio]

Pog gz

[wispy tundra]

Had the 216 hakkar trinket for my chest but shields are priority

[mellow patio]

Where is my 216 Hakkar trinket

[jagged pier]

^^

[ionic fern]

Well, you used up all your luck for this Expansion, gj.

[wispy tundra]

lol pretty much

[mellow patio]

226 shoulders this week were big pog tho

[jagged pier]

I took my 220 wep

[civic rover]

i still havent checked my vault

[jagged pier]

but i was not happy with my SD key at all i dont want to run it, ive done it with sotrming on beta

[restive flax]

yeah hold off until you did the 4 M0 dungeons for the weekly

[wispy tundra]

Do your world boss and week quest

[restive flax]

^

[strong forum]

Shoulders when wall is shoulders. That's an F from me

[jagged pier]

same

[fierce tendon]

I got 2 cloaks and shoulders from raid yesterday, already had a 207 and the wall shoulders

Feelsgoodman.png gearing my dps

[mellow patio]

Should have specified, on dh

I got wrists on war

[neat root]

I have seen a bunch of people say take storm bolt over rumbling earth. Why is that, wouldn't the reduced c/d of shockwave (25s) be a better choice then a 30s single target stun?

[mellow patio]

Free interrupt on ST

[neat root]

Aoe interrupt on shockwave

shorter c/d

Im just not seeing it

[mellow patio]

You have shockwave either way

[neat root]

why I should go stormbolt

[civic rover]

because u already have shockwave

[mellow patio]

Shockwave doesn’t go away

[civic rover]

one thing warrior lacks is hard crowd control and it gives you another option

[mellow patio]

Take what you want

[timber lagoon]

Storm bolt is nice my guy

[mellow patio]

But stormbolt is a good move

[neat root]

I know, but a 15 second reduction in c/d is super good for mythic+ packs

[civic rover]

and because literally every top prot tank goes stormbolt so it's probably the best one

[timber lagoon]

Plus it's ranged

[wintry jetty]

I was on rumbling before

[raw hedge]

is storm bolt on the full gcd?

[mellow patio]

More often than not one stun on a mob is just as effective as aoe

[wintry jetty]

stunning again the group 15s earlier

[timber lagoon]

I take storm bolt when fury dps

[wintry jetty]

feel less useful than a "kick" when yours is off cd

maybe this week you have a new pack after 25s, but mostly it will be the same pack at low hp

[modern brook]

@civic rover i had a dream last night that i swapped to necrolords and i was distraught

[modern brook]

because it gives you tools. AoE stun when you only need 1 is not good; puts the rest on DR and can easily push them into immunity before they need to be interupted

that talent tier is honestly between SB and 2charge. Rumbling earth doesnt bring enough

[neat root]

I understand the argument, and I'm gonna try it this week. But I'm just not sure losing the control over packs shockwave gives is worth it.

[timber lagoon]

Thing is you only lose 15 sec max with sb

But you also get sb

[solemn aspen]

SB is nice when you are kiting and need that loyal beast interrupt. shock wave might be to short range

[graceful narwhal]

If you ever did your mage tower back in Legion you would know the power of SB. ❤️

[undone jacinth]

storm bolt just got so much use in m+

I’d get charge if not pushing tho

[naive panther]

signet dissappoints me, ravager doing nothing to proc it is pretty lame

[restive flax]

this weeks affixes are much harder then last weeks tho. good luck in your attempts however

[granite nacelle]

ANy thoughts on crafting second legendary vs upgrading to level 3

[coral ledge]

Can you upgrade leggies as you go?

[granite nacelle]

yeah

its the main draw of crafting early

[coral ledge]

True

[granite nacelle]

i can't decide on if i should keep upgrading the thunderfury legendary or craft the wall

[ionic fern]

Craft The wall.
They are both good legendaries. 🙂

[granite nacelle]

i could have two level 2's in a week

or a level 4 in two weeks

[undone jacinth]

Or 4 lvl 1s

[midnight burrow]

So uh, which keys are actually farmable this week? Did a 9 spires yesterday and the 2nd boss wiped us twice. Others were manageable.

[undone jacinth]

probably mists as always

[modern brook]

Mawsts

[granite nacelle]

i haven't ran into issues w/ keys yet

[ionic fern]

Most keys should be if you have consistent DPS.

[undone jacinth]

and hoa

[ionic fern]

👀

[undone jacinth]

gl having consistent dps in sd or top xd

consistently dead

[modern brook]

i heard nw is bugged

w/ 3rd boss sapwning aboms too fast

[midnight burrow]

Sanguine was pretty spamable last week imo. This week I ain't touching it

[quiet sandal]

necrotic is really hard

[restive flax]

that was kinda weird when I was there today yeah Bullfango

[undone jacinth]

they do get faster over time

idk if bugged tho

[modern brook]

sanguine just isnt fun though

the whole thing feels like a slog

that dungeon is stinky

[undone jacinth]

that’s true

the gauntlet legit feels like a gauntlet

longgg

[modern brook]

venthyr helps; the anima boost you get half way through it makes the last stretch a breeze

[undone jacinth]

I don’t think it’s hard

just painfully long

constantly having to get threat on the bears is annoying

[blissful imp]

I thought my ÷8 HoA was gonna be no problem last night

[sick sentinel]

decided to set HS to kyrian location, can just direct travel to oribos any time i want with wormhole

[blissful imp]

That DoT the last boss puts on you, holy shit the last few ticks are scary

I didn't even know it was a thing till last night when I was wondering why he was kicking my ass so hard

[undone jacinth]

just kyrian bro xd

[sick sentinel]

only thing i don't like about kyrian is u have to skill shot the main spear ability

[robust kite]

That's the best part

[sick sentinel]

so if u miss it, u miss, so much dmg cc and rage gen

[undone jacinth]

yeah that’s the best bit

[robust kite]

Pro tip: Don't miss

[undone jacinth]

actual throwing

[sick sentinel]

not for me when i'm dying and need rage gen lol

[robust kite]

Ravager gens a ton of rage and is on a shorter cooldown and doesn't matter if you're off slightly

[dusty gate]

How are Torghast layers 7 and 8 solo?

Still as easy for prot as the others so far?

[wintry jetty]

doesn't feel as easy

but would hate to do it as fury :p

[blissful imp]

things just do more damage for us right?

i didn't take damage in the first place, and with certain powers just healed it up immediately anyway

unless I pulled an entire floor I wasn't ever worried

haven't done my 7 and 8s yet

[neat root]

7 was more difficult but still soloable.

[wispy tundra]

Don't move unless you have to for the Kosarus fight in layer 7.

[strong forum]

well shit
226 haste vers cloak 223 haste vers + socket wrists
HC cache is 213 shield

[formal river]

@dusty gate level 8 was undoable on one of them

One the first floor the last dude chain cast 1 second nukes.

I had tot group for the first time in torghast

[neat root]

Yeah after doing 7 last night I was thinking I'll probably have to group for 8.

[formal river]

Theres just not enough interrupts in our kit ot deal with it

[neat root]

How is the scaling, first week I tried going in with a couple friends and the scaling made it stupid. It wasnt harder but it took like triple the time.

[formal river]

You really feel the increased HP

I went in with 5 and the first couple floors was running through mud

Then I got 2 of the 30% dmg increase from shout things

And we melted the rest

Group buffs being op and all

[chilly brook]

Maybe if you ran stormbolt you'd have the interrupts

[formal river]

Schwing :)

[chilly brook]

😅

[empty nexus]

whgat pc to craft thunderlord on

[quiet sandal]

booties

[chilly brook]

Mostly boots

[quiet sandal]

doesn't really matter

[chilly brook]

Or you can be me

And craft gloves because you have good boots

[empty nexus]

i got godly gloves actualy u right lol

213 gloves from sludge ima do boots

[sick sentinel]

i only did 1 mythic key that i failed, so i got crit mastery boots from box only option, and i did 4 dungeon and got 213 haste mastery or crit ithink boots, so i got boots i need just lol

[chilly brook]

Echo didn't mess around

[sick sentinel]

go from 200 crap boots to 213 okay boots, hard to complain, got rings and stuff too now, but need more haste versa crap

[formal river]

It's a crapshoot this early. Now we have months to optimize.

I finally got haste to 20 but my mastery is too high and vers too low.

[chilly brook]

No such thing

[formal river]

So now I'm doing every high ToP key I see because block op

[sick sentinel]

i don't even know what a legendary really is, but i got 5 of them in bags and i cant use them

not enough soul ash

[formal river]

Get in torghast groups

You'll be wanted as a tank

[sick sentinel]

only 2 are good, thunder lord and mirror cant use 2 because of spec lol

[chilly brook]

@strong forum 100% nonce is the right term cuz I'm pretty sure I'm trash rn

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8h49WwyfqA2QDkTZ/

My damage is significantly off of my sim so I'm certain I'm doing other shit wrong too

[formal river]

Need more crit obv

[glacial skiff]

can you upgrade missives on leggos?

[strong forum]

nonce also means youre into kids...

soooo

yeaaaah

[sick sentinel]

seems like a bit of a jump in logical conclusion there

without context

[strong forum]

i mean

its literally one of the meanings of nonce

[vast pike]

rip

[sick sentinel]

is it an EU term?

[strong forum]

UK term, ye

[chilly brook]

Here I was thinking it just meant you're an idiot lmao

[sick sentinel]

in NA we call them PEDo's

[chilly brook]

^

[formal river]

We in the colonies abhor that statement

[glacial skiff]

so is heavy repercussions really worthless? I feel i could potentially achieve higher uptime on SB vs bolster

only issue is lack of hp via last stand on a 2m cd

[chilly brook]

If you're achieving higher uptime on sb over last stand then you're not using bolster properly

[sick sentinel]

i've heard AM and bolster are just superior options

[formal river]

I'd assume with super haste HR gets a lot better

[chilly brook]

Can get some pretty long shield block timings with bolster

[modern brook]

AM gets better with super haste

[glacial skiff]

i have 15% haste atm, 25% with into the fray with 5 people

[formal river]

@modern brook they both do

[glacial skiff]

im considering trying a into the fray build, my big issue atm is surviving in keys

but healers could also be crap too

[modern brook]

morethan likely its your dps that are crap

most of the oof ow oo moments in keys are your dps not ccing/not kicking

[assuming] you're playing correctly

[vast pike]

^

[lavish token]

The #4 Prot warrior Kessig is using bolster so it must be somewhat viable.

[formal river]

It's always useful to look at interrupts in details do you can diagnose the problem

[modern brook]

Bolster is your default choice

[sick sentinel]

i was told to use ravage and bolster

so i did

[modern brook]

AM has some SW shenigigans and is a stronger offensive option

HR doesnt fit

[lavish token]

I mean he is using heavy repercusions

[modern brook]

As we get more haste HR gets better

[glacial skiff]

how the hell do you search rio

[modern brook]

but AM doe too

so still no spot

[glacial skiff]

trying to see what top prot wars are using

[sick sentinel]

i still dunno, seems like if u use enough defensives and arent in shit u just plain wont die

[formal river]

Lightee is ok sludgefist atm on his warrior

Dont know what hes running

*on

[cedar rose]

Bolster is great imo

It's my go to for raiding

[sick sentinel]

i still believe faster boss dies, less time it has to attack you, so offensive pulling and fighting is best way to do things

boss does its mechanic 3 times vs 12 times in a single fight, whats gunna be more likely wipe?

[formal river]

Bosses arent scary in +10s. The trash is

For me anyway

[modern brook]

honestly this

[modern brook]

idk give tyranical a chance to change your mind

[glacial skiff]

hmmm

[modern brook]

theres a bunch of bosses that with fatter scaling look like they're going to be ass

[glacial skiff]

i see nomeratur on wcl using the wall for m+ 😛

[modern brook]

Plaguefall, as an example

just ike all of them

[formal river]

If you play perfectly you wont die is undoubtedly a true statement

But none of us play perfectly

Hence this discord :)

[modern brook]

speak for yourself smh im flawless

[formal river]

Fair enough

[chilly brook]

Not true

[sick sentinel]

potion will keep me from swapping but i'd like to go venthyr in the long run.

[formal river]

Come be a vampyr!

[modern brook]

honestly i really like the spear

even on Arms

[formal river]

Ignore the optimizers

[chilly brook]

Blocking the hits from the gargoyle on blood council doesnt mean anything if your healers don't heal you for five seconds

[modern brook]

where im a huge advocate of 55% execute phase

[chilly brook]

[sick sentinel]

condemn spam at start and end of fight, big dps

[modern brook]

Also low key

[formal river]

I love confusing people with my openers.

[modern brook]

arms looks super fun in keys w/ signet + avatar

IDK if its good

[formal river]

9k, 9k, 9k, 9k

[modern brook]

but it looks fun

[smoky wave]

super want signet, gotta wait until the end of jan for RF 😭

[sick sentinel]

what else does venthyr have going for it

[formal river]

Nothing

But I love condemn so what u gonna do

The armor looks great?

[chilly brook]

My cotank and I last night were talking about how slow it's been feeling on getting heals as a tank

Which is funny

[sick sentinel]

i love the 3 hp potions from thin air on 5 minute cd that remove most debffs

[formal river]

Kyrian is objectively better for prot

[chilly brook]

Because if I was on my DK I'd be getting death strike sniped

[sick sentinel]

that is really just a QOL feature

[chilly brook]

But now I feel like I'm waiting for heals

[formal river]

Its more than that. There are so many bleeds that pot takes care of

This tier.

[glacial skiff]

hmm which is better, hands or feet for thunderlord?

[chilly brook]

About the same

Feet recommend because no haste/vers feet from raid

[glacial skiff]

both of my pieces are 213 so it doesn't matter much on that front

[chilly brook]

And slightly

And I mean slightly

[sick sentinel]

is bleeds really that bad of a thing?

[chilly brook]

Higher stat budget

[glacial skiff]

yeah i was kinda thinking feet i think are slightly better but idk

[modern brook]

feet cause bad itemization on feet in raid

[formal river]

In sanguine and CN yeah

Lots of bleeds

[modern brook]

I made hands casue i forgot which i was supposed to 🙂

[chilly brook]

I mean haste mast boots aren't so bad

At least it has haste

[sick sentinel]

soon as i am done with sanguine depths 15 im never going back

[modern brook]

[formal river]

Lol fair enough

RP wise I wish I could be necro

[modern brook]

Its super weird seeing 1000 in rio pink

[formal river]

But the ability is so meh

[chilly brook]

I'm crafting the hands cuz I have those 213 heroic boots from raid

[modern brook]

i replaced my 184 gloves and left my 130 booties :^)

[stray sierra]

most people take devastator on the first row right?

[chilly brook]

And stuck with 200 gloves

[stray sierra]

are the other talents that much behind?

[chilly brook]

They're just not good

[modern brook]

some BR guy is top 5 war in keys with never surrender and HR

[chilly brook]

War machine is meh unless you're in torghast

[modern brook]

if that doesnt say do what you want; idk what does

[stray sierra]

there are times where i got nothing to press

[modern brook]

Suggested talents have the most throughput

not a replacement forplaying well

[stray sierra]

my autisim kicks in

and i want to press things

[formal river]

Lol

[chilly brook]

No meme I uh accidentally hit never surrender at some point and was doing keys with it

Without realizing it

[modern brook]

ALWAYS 👏 SURRENDER 👏

[chilly brook]

I thought having 17k ignore pains was odd but I didn't think much about it

And then I was adjusting talents last night for raid and I was like

"Wait wtf I'm a dumbass"

[modern brook]

Isaw you on NS for heroic shreikwing

so none of this is surprising to me

I just didnt wanna call u out lol

[chilly brook]

Ye

[uneven mason]

Griff eating the paint chips

[chilly brook]

Smoothbraining it this xpac

[uneven mason]

You were like "Hey Ikari posted that screenshot that NS works like stagger"

so you swapped

[modern brook]

wait what

[uneven mason]

👍

[tulip crane]

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-call-you-out-say-loudly-scream-out-annoyed-irritated-gif-13939384

[civic rover]

[modern brook]

bar rescue is literally better hells kitchen and no one can convince me otherwise

[chilly brook]

Someone should

Lord knows I call enough people out I shouldn't be immune to it

[sick sentinel]

do herbalist hp potions share CD with lock stone and phial?

[modern brook]

idk how to search for screenshots can u repost

[uneven mason]

I'm at home for once

so I don't have it

[sick sentinel]

i need a million hp potions

[uneven mason]

IDK if I saved it on my work PC

[chilly brook]

Wat

[uneven mason]

and it was in the shadowlands prot

[modern brook]

i know lock and kyrian pot are seperate cds

IDK about the health pot

[uneven mason]

all 3 are diff CDs

[modern brook]

thats too bad. TBH i saw indom being good and whirlwind slammed that and nevr looked back

[dense umbra]

are there any youtube/twitch prot warriors doing M+ high keys , say 10+

[sweet summit]

nomeratur 📈

[civic rover]

boomeratur

[chilly brook]

Nomeratur, lightee was also doing 14s on his warrior this last week

[civic rover]

lightee is also raiding on limit as prot

[somber sky]

have you guys been running AM or Bolster?

Realized lately that I've died through all my defensives in +7s and was running AM so was wondering about moving into Bolster.

[torn gulch]

with wall lego i run AM

[somber sky]

At the same time I can't get my wall up faster if I do it.

I've got thunderlord

or well... will be getting it. I have no lego yet.

[torn gulch]

lfr hugnering destroyer

or normal

quick kill 100% chance

[somber sky]

but wall is ST though right?

[torn gulch]

it can be used in m+ as well

[somber sky]

wouldn't it make me prio slam over all other abilities?

[sweet summit]

you do even without the wall?

[somber sky]

that's a fair point

but would it net me more rage than thunderlord in keys?

[sweet summit]

doubt it

[strong forum]

on 3+ targets thunderlord is more rage

[somber sky]

Alright let me ask another question, it would help me decide which one to choose in a better way. In packs like the ones in DOS right in front of the stairs, would Wall net me more sustain or Thunderlord?

[sand kestrel]

I just got my prot warr to ilvl 166. Is that high enough to pug some m0 dungeons or should I get to around ilvl 171 with heroic gear before I start that?

[sick sentinel]

thats fine

[sand kestrel]

Ok cool. Didn't want to be to low a level and get flamed hard

[somber sky]

m0 is for learning. You're fine.

[steel mauve]

People did em at 130

[somber sky]

yep

[sand kestrel]

I just figured since I will be doing pug only that it might be harder since no one kicks anything in the heroics I have been spamming

[steady spruce]

Dps that don't kick are fucking cancer man

i saw people with 600+ rio not kicking shit in Mists or not understanding how 2nd boss work

dps getting carried their rio

[strong forum]

more often than not

[smoky sparrow]

@somber sky those packs need to be kited regardless

[steady spruce]

i'm having a hard time tanking M+ cause i just started retail and i'm lacking a lot of base principes, like kiting is absolutely new concept to me as a war ^^
So i try hard the easiest dungeons like Top, Plaguefall, Mists and HoA but my Rio is shit

[somber sky]

that comes w/- practice.

[steady spruce]

it's hard to see what the other tanks are doing cause i can get to tag as a dps and the streamers oftenly play with good groups

[strong forum]

i play with bad people so maybe you can see some shit on my vods

[steady spruce]

got a 462 rio with this, should i do the last dungeon to greatly improve it?

Yeah i'm watching your +12 Plaguefall run right now actually

[strong forum]

yeah having every dungeon done is the basis of getting bigger score

[steady spruce]

i'm surprised how you can facetank the adds pre-magrave

same for the little shitters than open tanks just after first boss

[tall mural]

Uh, I got one shot once he got big, idk how you facetanked it. He hit me mid leap.

[steady spruce]

do dps even use threat plates or similar addon?

seems like they don't

[chilly brook]

You dont they hit hard

Charge in drop some revenges and move away

They're slow af

You wanna tank the big add away from the rest anyways

[strong forum]

i just kinda could

idk

[mellow geyser]

Hello everyone... has someone managed to do Thorghast lvl 8 ?

[strong forum]

not all of them no, but good ones should use nameplate addons

[steady spruce]

still died on one pack tho :p

[strong forum]

yee

it was my 2nd time ever in that dungeon

[chilly brook]

Not yet but I dont imagine it will be much more difficult than layer 6

[mellow geyser]

Actually it's hell.

[steady spruce]

2nd time +12? I mean recklessness is a Warrior spell after all

just not prot spec 😄

[mellow geyser]

I can't manage to do some caster duos whitout dying.

[chilly brook]

Not really different than layer 6

Deathspeaker + tower guardian or w/e could easily kill you

[shut summit]

yea did it layer8 solo

[chilly brook]

Or w/e that floating caster dude is

[shut summit]

some of the casters truck

[chilly brook]

The way I beat the caster pack was just slammed with execute

15k single target melts

📈

[mellow geyser]

When he's alone no problem

But I ran accross "torment lords"? I don't know how they are named in english. But it channels a spell

that' makes heavy damages

[chilly brook]

Yes

[mellow geyser]

And sometimes they are a couple

[chilly brook]

The floating nazghul looking guys?

[mellow geyser]

I do'nt know how to manage when there are two

Yeap

[shut summit]

burn one down, use reflect on the eternal torment? cast i think it is

[somber sky]

Does the arms lego work with ravager for prot?

[shut summit]

no it doesnt work

[chilly brook]

Yes they can be kinda rough

[somber sky]

unhinged*

[chilly brook]

Use defensives

[shut summit]

oh unhinged, i think so, not 100% tho

[mellow geyser]

It was on the first floor

[sweet summit]

unhinged yes

kargish tested it

[mellow geyser]

had only two animas

[chilly brook]

I died on a pack of one of those and the skeleton tower guardians

At layer 6

They're rough but most of the time avoidable

[mellow geyser]

I ran lvl6 without major difficulites

[chilly brook]

It was the only time I died on 6

Was that pack

[mellow geyser]

I lower skellies then kill thems with kyrian spear

[chilly brook]

Picking up the pummel power is pretty helpful

[mellow geyser]

So I don't explode

[chilly brook]

Stunning the casts you dont have interrupt for

Use intimidating shout

And use reflect and wall

[mellow geyser]

Did everything

You said

[chilly brook]

By itself he shouldn't really be a problem

[mellow geyser]

Even placed myself to not "unfear" one of them with aoe

When there's one it's pretty ok

I struggle when they are two

[gaunt oar]

Anyone know if Memory of The Wall drops in RF?

[mellow geyser]

And I can't imagien the game just want you to avoid them and not try

[chilly brook]

I mean why not

You dont have to pull everything

And if you know it could end your run why would you

[mellow geyser]

For more animas it's fine

dunno, seems problematic to me

You place a treasure (animas), then you place a mob far too powerful to be destroyed to get this treasure.

[strong forum]

Ye it should

[mellow geyser]

I mean, why even place this treasure in the first case? Just fool the player?

[ebon tide]

@strong forum was checking out some of your vods today, is that an interrupt tracker above your player frame? if so, which? I like that and need something similar