protection

[crisp dragon]

is stam potions at any point good?

[peak flower]

So looks like a WFR is running a prot warrior. Feels good

[split stratus]

Thunderlord still BiS for M+ right ?

[dense pivot]

because dps warriors suck and they need dem shouts

[sick sentinel]

never been a big fan of battle potion

[wintry cradle]

M+ question. how do you guys deal with the tenderize debuff in Necrotic wake from the Kyrian Stitchworks.. that shit trucks me hard

[empty locust]

Make sure shield block lines up with the mutilate, if its getting high have a dps or pet taunt one

[lofty lark]

anyone have stat weights for m+ prot warrior to share?

[steady spruce]

First +10 got a putefaction vial with Dodge affix 😄

[steel mauve]

We use a stat priority, not weights

[timber lagoon]

can you look at your great vault and not take an item?

[rain dune]

Gotcha, that's what I was thinking but I'm running so low on haste that the moment that I just wasn't sure. Thanks Leif

[timber lagoon]

like complete the emissary first?

[steel mauve]

Stat weights are fairly useless metric outside of figuring out what food to use, and even then we still have a priority

Ya, we use quantity over quality most of the time any ways, more of a number is better than a specific number

[lavish oracle]

@split stratus Thunderlord's and the Wall are both competitive in m+ at the moment

[dusty bridge]

Yea you can look at the items without taking the@

[timber lagoon]

I made the wall b/c i like the idea of more consistent rage generation

[dusty bridge]

Them*

[lofty lark]

Okay Thanks 🙂

[lavish oracle]

Oh, damn, grats, @steady spruce

[lofty lark]

I checked a few sites and some said haste some said mastery some vers

ill take a medley

[steady spruce]

I hope Vial is also good in arms spec

thx Aza

[lavish oracle]

Bloodmallet has it simming pretty well

[strong forum]

God sanguine depths 14 is a bitch

Legit no clue how to deal with 1st boss properly

[naive panther]

Move it away from spawn point

[ember token]

Cant agree more :> I did it by kiting at second balls

[strong forum]

2nd

Bruh we got to 4th

[ember token]

😄

[modern brook]

😦 i tuned in 3 seperate times and each time you were yelling about a different aspect of the dungeon

[strong forum]

Obv

That's m+ in a nutshell when you do you a weekly no leaver

But warri is legit terrible for this dungeon besides 3rd boss

3rd boss warri is omega good

[ember token]

3rd boss is a lul there, what about trash after it? 🙂

[strong forum]

Trash is aight if you have more dmg

Emphasis on if

Spent like 15min on the gauntlet

[ember token]

or have dps 'oh i burn my cd's on boss' :<

[strong forum]

Uh dks would make that dungeon such a breeze

Just blow up everything so you don't need to tank anything

Maybe Bolster would've been better in there idk

[mellow patio]

i see you also enjoyed the weekly no leaver

[strong forum]

We only overtimed by 20min but still

Worst dungeon to do a weekly no leaver tbh

[mellow patio]

we had the 5 melee comp on a 14 PF it was less than ideal

[strong forum]

Yea we did pf12 full melee

Fuck me

Adds on last boss?

Always alive

[mellow patio]

and you? always dead

i know the feeling

[strong forum]

Full melee is banned in this dungeon now

Legit banned

[mellow patio]

melee are banned

give me hunters

[strong forum]

Also that

Only allowing monks and dks

[mellow patio]

dk to grip them away :^)

[strong forum]

Or because they're brokenly strong

We timed pf13, with arms warri, was aight.

But more than 1 melee is banned unless he's omega stacked

[formal river]

lol i agree with that rule

highest PF ive done is +7

[mellow patio]

honestly had we done it differently, we probably would have had a better time

really need to take advantages of cannisters in room after first boss

[sick sentinel]

is leveling as prot good? also it's linear now right

[formal river]

213 crit haste belt from Mythic quest

[sick sentinel]

so no picking your first zone etc

[formal river]

not terrible

leveling as prot is perfectly fine

[sick sentinel]

ah good

[formal river]

and you can dungeon instantly which si nice if you want a brealk

[sick sentinel]

yeah I like the first random dungeon per day thing

[torn gulch]

good evening

is it true that pvp trinkets have reduced effectivness in pve?

[deep steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/illumination-asian-man-enlightened-oh-okay-gif-16379366

I am content lads

[strong forum]

Big

I'll get my 226 shield tomorrow

I swear

[deep steppe]

I believe in you

[strong forum]

No

The only thing you benefit form is the set bonus

That's is pvp specific

[torn gulch]

i want to use the haste trinket with main stat proc

[strong forum]

It's good

[torn gulch]

and someone told me you receive less than the tooltip in pve

less strenght

[strong forum]

Not sure about that, but sounds more like a bug

Than intended

[opaque hearth]

just got the wall from LFR heh, can I make it rank 2 immediately or should I start with 1? I think have the ash for it.

[strong forum]

@still pagoda how baffled is your old guild now that darkee is playing prot in raid

[strong forum]

If you only plan on raiding you can upgrade it to rank2

[mellow patio]

EX guild

:^)

[still pagoda]

Idk

I'm falling out of wow

[opaque hearth]

very casual type guild, we couldnt even kill the 2nd boss on normal, hence why I had to get it in LFR hehe

[strong forum]

[strong forum]

Oof. Well then do whatever you want tbh

[still pagoda]

^

[strong forum]

Both wall and tl are playable in m+ and raid

[still pagoda]

You guys will get there at some point 🙃

[strong forum]

Our leggos aren't strong enough to make a wrong choice

[still pagoda]

It is a matter of time and practice

[strong forum]

Atleast between those 2

[still pagoda]

And improving over the time

[muted rapids]

just had a mage tell me "usually people don't kite those" referring to bears in HoA

[strong forum]

Lmao

You 100% kite them

They're so madly overtuned

[opaque hearth]

thank you

[muted rapids]

yes but I do wonder what kind of tanks he had been playing with

[strong forum]

Tanks that died or needed every CD in the game

[still pagoda]

^

[strong forum]

Including kyrian potion / bop

[undone jacinth]

I had the same comment with plaguefall last boss trash

from my healer.... !?

[strong forum]

You can't tank them...

They hit way too hard

On keys below 12 you can tank them

But above that, if they don't die quickly

You just can't tank them

[undone jacinth]

he said ‘I don’t understand why ur kiting, their damage is idk...’

Implying they did low dmg

lmao

[strong forum]

They hit omega hard

He just doesn't think they do

[undone jacinth]

I know it’s insane

[strong forum]

Cuz "lmao its just a skeleton"

[undone jacinth]

exactly

doesn’t even move fast xd

[strong forum]

They don't move fast because they hit hard

Thats the intended design

[tardy sequoia]

Is 185 ilvl too low to tank a +8?

[strong forum]

No

[still pagoda]

Enough

[nimble drift]

currently using a 200ilvl weapon, but my vault has a 210 weapon with vers/haste. I could take that, or a cape that is a 40ilvl upgrade that has haste on it

thoughts?

[strong forum]

I did 12s at 179

[still pagoda]

But pugging it will be horrendous

Well

Pugging is horrendous by itself

[tardy sequoia]

12 179??

[strong forum]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

u cant tank skeletons on a 10 fort

[tardy sequoia]

Jesus I’m 185 but the initial pull at both necrotic wake and de other side oneshots me

[sick sentinel]

maybe 1

[opaque hearth]

recommended slot for the wall still shoulder?

[tardy sequoia]

I’m following wowhead dratnos pulls so the site makes huge ones

[strong forum]

Yes

[tardy sequoia]

I mean.. in time keys

[opaque hearth]

thank you

[strong forum]

:)

That +12 was my 2nd key ever I think

[tardy sequoia]

How do you manage to survive? I’m really struggling

[strong forum]

Coordination with your group is key

[onyx matrix]

running

[tardy sequoia]

I have thunderlord as legendary

But really I have more problems with trash than with bosses

[strong forum]

Ye everybody does

[still pagoda]

If you have a group of course. Pugging right now is a terrible idea, even if you have no other choices

[strong forum]

You need to know the dungeon well

Know what dangerous, what to cc what to kick, when to kite.

I also have treants in my group which feels like a must

You can't facetank nearly as much as in bfa sadly...

Only if stuff dies quickly

[sick sentinel]

u have force of nature and double earth ele

thats the dream

[tardy sequoia]

I only facetank

[strong forum]

Earth ele dies in 2 globals..

But it does catch some stufd

Here and there

Treants die in 3 globals

But it can help

[tardy sequoia]

Ppl In my guild always compare me to blood dk or monk, they say like jump into the fray and put aggro radius

They don’t know I only have taunt and challenging shout

They don’t seem really warrior-friendly I don’t know..

[strong forum]

Spear, revenge as offensive spender. Ravager

[tardy sequoia]

Also belittle because of no self heal

[sick sentinel]

Is coalesced hatred a decent trinket?

[strong forum]

Selfheal only covers so much, in terms of mitigation I still do like 1.5k-2k hps per dungeon, if you need a number that doesn't say much

[strong forum]

It does decent dmg, nothing amazing

[tardy sequoia]

Do you pull big or 2-3 mobs at a time?

[sick sentinel]

dope, ty. Tryna decide if its worth taking over a weap. Quantum seems to unreliable for tanking.

[strong forum]

Depends on the dungeon but mostly only 3-5 ye

Alot of dungeons don't allow big pulls

[tardy sequoia]

Do you use method dungeon tool? Are those pulls correct?

[hardy radish]

I know we JUST said wall goes on shoulders, but if I'm juggling upgrading Unhinged for arms PvP and thunderlord for M+ should I just throw it on my cloak? that way it would have the least negative impact as the rest of my gear surpasses it, yeah?

[strong forum]

Never throw it on cloak

[tardy sequoia]

Because they seems a little too much

[strong forum]

I make my own routes

So I can't help you there

[tardy sequoia]

Ooookie

And do you kite the mobs back?

[strong forum]

It's situational, there's no black and white answer

You gotta know yourself when to kite

[tardy sequoia]

Like when taking damage? I’d like to do that but I always lose aggro

[sick sentinel]

spamming dungeons faster than quests? as tank

[strong forum]

Pretty much ye

[strong forum]

When you know you can't survive

If you lose aggro, you're not pressing your buttons correctly

The only time to lose aggro shortly is on pull

After that, shouldn't happen unless you're playing incorrectly

Spear/revenge/ravager are your main tools to deal dmg and hold aggro

Gotta sleep now.

[opaque hearth]

later man, thanks for the info

[formal river]

doing latest torghast and its pretty damn fun

much harder, have to use all my tools

[blazing pond]

They have new bonuses at lvl 7 as well

Torghast vendor

[radiant oxide]

best leggo for just mythic+ pushing?

[sick sentinel]

Pretty sure atm, its Thunderlords

[formal river]

that or the wall you cant go wrong with

[sonic garden]

You guys got any advice for Ventunax?

[blazing pond]

I’m having trouble taking too much damage. Shield block on cd, fill gaps with ignore pain, cd’s when needed. Reflect for big spells. What am I missing/doing wrong?

Other than a love of standing in fire.

[tacit lion]

Which legendary should I craft - the Wall or Thunderlord. I do both M+ and raid tanking

[formal river]

the wall if you are raiding def

[fading crypt]

Anyone run torghast yet?

[night tusk]

For The Wall leggo, is Back or Shoulders better?

[cunning sluice]

Shoulders

Because they get better stat budget

[night tusk]

2nd stats for leggo should be haste vers on leggo shoulders?

[azure dock]

how bad/ good is slimpy consumptive organ?

only 20s cd. and ~6500 healing

i bet itd overheal like crazy tho

[wicked lantern]

Stacks take longer than the 20s from my experience. It was fun to use but it’s bad imo

[azure dock]

wait nvm it's instant use.

so no overheal atleast.

coolio, thanks for the exp on it

[sick sentinel]

i got thunderlord today, but havent done the 1250 soul ashes

[jade axle]

So i just hit lvl 60 and completed the story line; am i seriously gimping myself if i go for anything other than Kyrian?

most guides say go Kyrian or Nightfae but i dont vibe with those

[fading crypt]

As prot its kind of those 2

I mean you can play however you want

[lavish oracle]

@azure dock it's like 5 ppm, so it's basically a 6k heal on a 2 minute cd

[fading crypt]

It does suck that the 2 dps specs and prot are not compatible at all

[lavish oracle]

And only if you're stuck in the same spot for 2 minutes

[sick sentinel]

these are the legos i got so far, but i haven't made any of them

TL mirror and 2 dps ones

[night tusk]

pretty sure Fury and Prot go hand in hand in gear

[still pagoda]

PvP arms is compatible with prot tho

[fading crypt]

Kyrian?

[still pagoda]

And NF to some extent

[fading crypt]

I haven't gotten a 2her to try it out yet

I just prot pvp in epic battlegrounds

[trim bay]

i got a 213 splinter is it worth using just due to the i lvl. my others are qantum device 200 and darkmoon deck iindomitable.

very bad luck with trinket drops 😦

[calm roost]

Have a quick question as a Raid/Mythic+ tanks should i make Thunderlord or the Wall Legendary?

[still pagoda]

Anything will be better than indomitable deck

[trim bay]

ack

[still pagoda]

It's a vendor trash trinket

[trim bay]

aight

[still pagoda]

Its neighbour, voracity deck, is actually pretty decent

[trim bay]

yea i coudlnt be stuffed spending 10k or what ever it goes for. i might just do it.

[still pagoda]

Nah

Farm for scale and phial/decanter

[sick sentinel]

Do I need to complete all zones to pick a cov?

[still pagoda]

Yes if it is your first time doing the campaign

[sick sentinel]

ah thx

[formal river]

cleared one wing of torghast, felt all high and mighty. cant get past floor 1 of the other

empowered caster is ripping throuhg me at the end

[visual gull]

https://gyazo.com/b21b720f42db698e34c676c296c3f139

which one should i use? 🙂

[cunning sluice]

Most likely the higher item level one just for the higher base stats ? Does the leech really add up to anything ?

[steel mauve]

No, leech doesnt add to much

Higher ilvl, but to be honest you wont notice a difference

[formal river]

lightee looking smooth on that prot warrior

[robust kite]

This week hurts for m+

😦

[mild river]

So how's tyrannical this week?

[robust kite]

Well o _ o

[coral marsh]

is the wall best legi in high keys?

[warm blaze]

whats bis trinkets lookin like for us?

[formal river]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide

[sick sentinel]

but i mean, i kept getting told IV is shit lol

[violet dome]

Is Execute a trap ability for prot?

[undone jacinth]

if u wanna kill stuff quicker, execute it

pretty simple

[violet dome]

I've been getting yelled at in MYthics for it

"Don't execute, just ignore pain"

[undone jacinth]

I mean if ur dying then you should probably be casting a defensive

if ur not then what’s IP doing for u

just depends on the context

[honest plinth]

it gives 636 vers idk if it good enough to use.

[undone jacinth]

ye it’s good just macro to avatar

[honest plinth]

why should i macro it? 😄

[undone jacinth]

laziness

and for big damooj

[honest plinth]

so i will use it on 2 mobs? no thanks

[undone jacinth]

yup

[open monolith]

Layer 8 zzz

Glad to see Torghast didn't really get any harder to solo for prot

[gloomy cradle]

Just slow af

[open monolith]

I don't feel like it took very long

The right side with all the elites took a bit longwr

[gloomy cradle]

Yeah I dont think it's more than 30 or so min but still zzzz

[open monolith]

Did anyone get a phat 220+ hakkar trinket?

[gloomy cradle]

What a dream Mines 171

[open monolith]

I just got a 220 haste belt + 213 raid gloves from the weekly quest

[gloomy cradle]

220 shield here

Which is big for sure

[open monolith]

Oh very nice

That's absolutely massive for damage reduction

[gloomy cradle]

Yeah huge up from 184 lol

[karmic sphinx]

Do you guys feel weak in M+?

raids i haven't rly felt a problem

but i feel like paper when stepping in just like 6-7+ keys

[lavish oracle]

I feel like using inscrutable as an execute does more damage on ST, at least

[digital nova]

216 armor trink (my kingdom for hakkar trink) or +111 haste ring at 210?

[neat root]

Phial of Putrefaction alright trinket for prot for now?

[steel mauve]

phial is pretty good for a dps trinket for prot

[sick sentinel]

is it harder to solo thorgast

i did mythic 0 theatre of pain, and on 2 bosses i had to rely on execute spam to kill it with half group alive lol

gettin big lego drops too

[blissful imp]

first time playing with storming

i want to complain cause its kicking my ass

but once I get used to it, it might befun?

[sick sentinel]

wow is back up for EU people

[sand kestrel]

man I am having alot more trouble clearing torghast after the damage increase elites have against tanks now

[dusty bridge]

I have the possibility of a 213 shield (current 190) or 205 shoulders (current 155). I go for shoulders right?

[steady spruce]

Probably shield

[barren widget]

Shield. Get shoulders with honor

[vocal bison]

get the shield

[steady spruce]

Use the shield to tank something to get shoulders

[vocal bison]

you can get 184 shoulders just doing bgs

[violet dome]

I am convinced that this game just doesn't like me. My shield and weapon are below 160 ilevel because I can't get either to drop from the dungeons I run

I have been spamming Necrotic Wake and Theater with no luck. I at least got the helmet from Mists

Tips on how to improve my luck 🙂

[dusky mica]

buy shield from the AH

[dusty bridge]

Thanks guy! I’ll get those BGs

[sick sentinel]

i just bought the 190 shield

didn't want to bother with lugging around a green pos

[violet dome]

How much?

I've spent so much on my legendaries and enchantments that I'm broke AF

[sick sentinel]

60k at the time, i had a 130 some green, so it was worth it to me at the time, had haste which i need

[lucid dew]

Interesting some world first is playing prot

[open monolith]

hmmm, wait til next week for rank 2 wall or get rank 3 TL today

[torn gulch]

they wanted 10% buff but they did not want dps warrs

so the solution is?

prot warriors with the wall lego

[robust kite]

Thats what im trying to craft I've had the legendary just no ash

[torn gulch]

you get wall under a minute

with AM and conduit

it sounds sick for both raiding and m+

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517121163101601795/788504162627092500/unknown.png

look at this beauty

[stuck oriole]

This actually brought a tear to my eye

[wicked lantern]

You lucky SOB

[robust kite]

jeeesus

[surreal stump]

how about that renown 11 hearthstone item being.... a toy.... not a way to get to your coven area

[steel mauve]

ya i wish you didnt have to upgrade the portals for an easy access way to get to covenants

[cinder nova]

My guild wants me to one-tank Inerva

How do?

Just basically SR her as often as I can?

[high folio]

what the minimum ilvl for myth dungeons

base mythic

[steel mauve]

like 130

[smoky sparrow]

is it better to spec into single target this week for m+

using AM instead

[robust meteor]

Whats the better pick from my weekly vault?
184 bracer(haste/ver)to 220 bracer(ver/mas) or 200 shield(cri/ver) vs 213 shield (haste/cri)

[south plaza]

Any prots wanna tank a sanguine depths +6?

[neat dirge]

how come Limit played with a warrior tank

thought we were weak?

[cinder nova]

If I had to guess?

[steel mauve]

we arent weak

[cinder nova]

Maybe the shield wall legendary that gives it to the group

or SR jukes

[steel mauve]

prot wars arent weak, just communict yperception is shit

[sick sentinel]

4 minutes seems like alot for a taunt all button but its sure handy

anyone know if storming si % hp damage

its been chunking me

[torn gulch]

wait that is not mine

i just saw it

[last mason]

has tyrannical been walling anyone else so far

[torn gulch]

i wished i got that trinket

[open monolith]

I can't get through layer 8 of upper reaches :\

I always get to the end with like 10 anima powers and they are all junk. Layer 8 of fracture whatever was easy as fuck

[sick sentinel]

If you get % more phantasma early on it's really worth

By time u get to a shop will be able to buy all he has

[toxic pewter]

hey wich trinkets are good in M+ as tank

[sick sentinel]

Best group I had for torghest was a dk sham healer something else and me

Good question
I am trying to run mythic 0 for 184 trinkets to start

[astral crystal]

Hakkar trinket hands down, second you can be pretty liberal with

[pastel sleet]

any raid trinkets worth targeting?

[toxic pewter]

I have darkmoon voracity is it any good as tank?

[high folio]

will i have issues tanking base mythics at a 155 ilvl

or do i just need to be smart w my pulls

[astral crystal]

Voracity is good yeah, running two on use is aids though

Speaking as someone with two on use

😔

[toxic pewter]

xD

[astral crystal]

M0 should be fine if your group is competent

[high folio]

aight cool, thanks

[nimble drift]

Anyone else have difficulting killing Goxul the Devourer from Torghast?

He just stacks and stacks his damage and keeps healing

[neat root]

It's a little rougher in Torghast this week huh

[astral crystal]

Strongly advise you go 3-4 people for layer 8

Tank/dps/dps/healer

Finally did it with that setup

[novel temple]

yeah im fucking hating this shit right now

like i cant find groups to do m+

i cant find a raid team as prot

and now i cant even do the only content i was having fun as prot

[split wyvern]

Have had any luck making your own groups?

With the exposure or Prot Warrior doing well I the Limits Mythic raid the community perception should get better

[last mason]

m+ is fucking awful rn

[timber lagoon]

213 gluttonous spike any better than a 187 anima field emitter or darkmoon voracity?

[astral crystal]

Spike is pretty bad

[split wyvern]

Is it really that bad? I enjoy prot, I’ve played a BDK since wrath and I’ve gotten to the point that I can’t stand playing it.

[astral crystal]

Could wear for str I guess

[timber lagoon]

Yeah the up time on anima field is so good

[novel temple]

i mean i pushed my key to like an 8 last week i think

but i tried to do a pug 10 after easily pushing a 8 mists

i got fucking wrecked in that 10 de other side

[split wyvern]

When we get to wear to legos the wall and thunder is going to be strong imo

[novel temple]

id charge in and demo, would die still

like insta gibbed from the shadow strike

[split wyvern]

We should be better with more gear too

[novel temple]

if they didnt nerf the drop rate for m+ or raid id be fine

but its like i cant even kill torghast on layer 7 now lol

and blood legion's tank also had a prot war for raids

like if you can somewhat build around its good

and its playable

but fuck man

[tardy parcel]

How is this a 99 parse on normal Shriekwing lmao

[void moat]

Btw Echelon is FUCKING rough

holy shit

For all you tanks out there that might do halls of attonement this week

if you get turned to stone you still get hit by tornados, knocked into blood and die

very easily

[neat dirge]

what Talents should i be running with Boots m+ legendaries

?

[sweet summit]

Same as without them
Deva/bv/indom/ravager/bolster

[neat dirge]

thx!

[rough needle]

thoughts on barghasts leash?

seems kinda eh compared to sanguine

[turbid cargo]

@rough needle lol I got one from the weekly. I'm mostly excited to troll with it

[rough needle]

just got it from huntsman

[hexed helm]

what do you guyst think about these talents for M+?

[open monolith]

so how is Tyrannical so far?

@surreal reef m

@hexed helm Don't like Punish. Don't like Rumbling Earth, don't like UF / AM

but booming voice, crackling thunder, and indom are good 🙂

[hexed helm]

ive been having problems staying alive and keeping agro what talents would be best for that? im also Night fae

[lucid holly]

Press Revenge more probably

[open monolith]

Devastator is nice. more rage, more shield slams, less buttons to press

storm bolt is another interrupt

Ravager is great for both rage and damage

bolster is great for survivability

to cover shield block gaps

[hexed helm]

would you choose dubble time or storm bolt over rumbeling earth?

[open monolith]

storm bolt.

it's another interrupt, basically

[hexed helm]

im also running out of action bar space anything here i dont need there?

besides mounts lol

[steel mauve]

And pets?

[chilly brook]

funny af

65k non crit executes

[hexed helm]

should i be using devastator over punish? i really want more mitigation but idk what is better

[split wyvern]

Devastator imo generates more rage which equates into more DR

[vagrant cape]

@hexed helm #268491842637660160 has more info on which talents to go with

[hexed helm]

ok it says it has a chance to reduse the renaming cd on shield wall, what is tha chance for that it couldn't be very high

[steel mauve]

shield slam, not shield wall, it resets the cd just like devestate, revenge and tclap

[neat dirge]

guys

do i always prioritize haste?

[robust kite]

Crafting my legendary in a few, what should I go for my secondary stats? Haste / Vers or Haste / Crit

[open monolith]

holy fuck

non-fortified

feels SO MUCH BETTER

[robust kite]

@open monolith Should I craft my Wall on the cape instead of Shoulders? Is that more / less impactful

[grand drum]

remove fort and tyrannical pls thx blizz

[open monolith]

shoulders

never cloak

shoulders have significantly higher stats than cloaks

[robust kite]

gotcha

[open monolith]

I think they need to address fortified scaling

the difference in how good it fees to tank mythics now is amazing

[jagged pier]

fuk dude this vault choice is tough this morning

[open monolith]

like, I can actually do my job now

[eager phoenix]

lets see how the bosses feel even with prideful for the dps 😮

[chilly brook]

I'm gonna be a PoS

and craft TGV on the gloves

[cinder nova]

Aw man... I should've made my wall as Shoulders?

Fuck.

[jagged pier]

yep

[cinder nova]

Is there any way to salvage this fuck up, or am I stuck dumping a whole new stack of ash on shoulders, as well as more shadowghast

Or can I upgrade it into shoulders at R3?

[jagged pier]

dont think so

[cinder nova]

womp womp

dumb dumb patrol

we got one

Oh well, I guess it's something I can fix when Soul Ash stops being as important.

Probably not going to make a massive difference

[signal plover]

It won't you'll be fine

Literally don't sweat it imo

[strong forum]

It's a setback of like 2-3 weeks

And only on 1 slot for a bit of mainstat, really

[chilly brook]

I'm pretty happy

Ya boi is maining prot now

[sand kestrel]

how many runs did it take you all to get thunderlords stomper to drop....im at 5 runs and no luck so far

[grand drum]

i have 9% haste after getting weekly+great vault. Feels bad

[robust kite]

So should I go Haste / Vers or Haste / Crit on these shoulders ??

[chilly brook]

Like 4 runs? Didn't really take much

I also didn't try

I just got it while gearing leading up to the release of raid

[sand kestrel]

im just unlucky I guess 😦

[chilly brook]

Drop rates in mythic seem pretty high for legendaries

Just do a spires m+

Or m0

@strong forum might need you to look at my logs from tonight and tell me how much of a nonce I am

[nocturne marlin]

Good morning, for TGV the Boots are the better option right? 🙂

[robust kite]

which one is TGV?

[chilly brook]

Basically the same between boots and gloves

People recommend boots because slightly higher stat budget and there aren't haste verse boots in raid iirc

[nocturne marlin]

ye

thats what i red

[chilly brook]

But it wont really matter

I'm going with gloves because I already have nice boots

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's basically a wash in all honesty

[deft sapphire]

am i missing something

why is limit running a prot warrior

[chilly brook]

Because contrary to popular belief

[sick sentinel]

Big beefcake. But realistically, it’s cos there’s a lot of blockable damage.

[chilly brook]

Prot is fine

And because Lightee wanted to play his warrior lmao

And in his opinion its more solid than BrM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[mellow patio]

Things that kill tanks in CN: large physical hits. Things prot warrior handles well: large physical hits

[grand drum]

Our dk got 2 shot by huntsman's [shoot] for 20k on heroic

[glacial skiff]

With thunderlord would you all suggest unstoppable force or just keep ravager for m+?

[jagged pier]

ravager

[glacial skiff]

I’d think thunderlord could potentially boost the synergy of UF/AM build (or at least UF), but wasn’t sure that’s enough since block seems to be better than a 20% dr atm

[jagged pier]

it does do that but the builds still worse that Rav /am or bolster

[glacial skiff]

Plus the rage gains from ravager is hard to ignore.

[fallow mortar]

Is the call to go AM over Bolster a matter of choice when using the Wall in M+?

[jagged pier]

choice

you go AM and SW cnduit for more magic damage

and bolster and LS conduit for physical

[fallow mortar]

fuck... which are the more magic dungeons? NW, Plaguefist, maybe Spires?

[jagged pier]

DOS

[fallow mortar]

Ohhh, right

would you count Mists?

[jagged pier]

not for magic

[glacial skiff]

Interesting. I’m seeing some tanks use into the fray as well.

[jagged pier]

yep

that or rav

but you dont get the snap threat

[glacial skiff]

Why would you pick into the fray vs ravager?

[fallow mortar]

I know to use ITF in raid over ravager XD

[glacial skiff]

Threat isn’t a concern.

[acoustic stratus]

ive never had trouble with threat

even without ravager

[glacial skiff]

Surviving is my biggest concern. I can keep mobs glued on me

[jagged pier]

threats not an issue faster cds,

in higher keys its needed

[acoustic stratus]

i like itf because i get more haste

[glacial skiff]

I’ve only used ravager to push damage and get rage easier

[fallow mortar]

im sitting at 7% haste atm, feelsbadman

[glacial skiff]

Yeah I mean everyone does, but it only affects SB right? Guess I could just do a few keys with it and see how it feels.

And SS resets I guess with faster autos?

But this week also fucking blows. Idk why they felt tyrannical is necessary still lol

[fallow mortar]

Tyanical is easymode, what

[jagged pier]

thought so the bosses werent hitting very hard at all

[glacial skiff]

Keys this week are much harder than last

It made a lot of mechanics very one shot

[wintry jetty]

how do you guys field about anima field emitter trinket? (ground zone with haste)

[jagged pier]

i did

[fallow mortar]

Kek, what level keys are you pushing?

[fallow mortar]

absolutely love it

just don't stay in the circle if shit is about to hit you

[wintry jetty]

I had it in hc first week, quite liking it since it procced very often if you needed to move

now had it in vaults, took a chest with +10ilvl, but thinking it might have been a mistake :p

[fallow mortar]

you wanted to upgrade the item that needed to be upgraded the most... at least that is the way I think

[wintry jetty]

trinkets are hard to compare, and to acquire 😛

but the chest upgrade was good also

[fallow mortar]

everything is hard to acquire now

but yes trinkets are hard to compare

[brave jetty]

Anyone have a good route for Necrotic Wake? Trellsky's makes my brain hurt with the shenanigans in the first room

[wide zodiac]

Is it better to have +44 haste or +90 vers?

anywhere I can find this out?

[jagged pier]

ilvl of pieces?

[wide zodiac]

Both the same

[jagged pier]

haste

[wide zodiac]

this is on rings btw

[jagged pier]

haste

[wide zodiac]

@jagged pier thanks man

[crimson tiger]

Hey guys I have a question regarding tanking m+ as prot, are we tied to having higher ilvl to not be slapped for 20% hp per auto, I use my defensives and there are mobs that just slap me for chunks of my health, I am talking 185 ilvl on +10s

[jagged pier]

no problem

[robust kite]

okay serious question boys

Which one.... lmao

[jagged pier]

the one with more haste

[robust kite]

Figured so D:

[jagged pier]

sounds like you dont have SB up if your getting auto'd that much

[crimson tiger]

sadly I do

[robust kite]

Jakey I'm crafting My Legendary today, is TL or the Wall better

[jagged pier]

i prefer the wall

but i raid as well

[crimson tiger]

and I am not sure if I am just standing in wrong spots or I am getting smacked so much due to lack of gear

[robust kite]

@jagged pier Personally i just wanna push m+ keys

[jagged pier]

its not lack of gear i was doing 10s last week in less

[jagged pier]

up to you then

[robust kite]

Is the extra rage gen better than reduced Demo shout cd tho Idk they are both really good

[jagged pier]

unfortunatly its ither yours playing wrong, not enough inturpts and cc on mobs etc, or a bit of both

[strong forum]

Are you sure nonce is the right term 🚓

🚔

[crimson tiger]

did you had to kite mobs a lot of times or you were fine standing there just dishing out dmg and using defensives? also which talents did you ran if you don't mind me asking

[jagged pier]

TL is more rage in general, and more demo shouts but your rage is loaded in chunks compared to the wall where its a lot smoother and you get SW up more often

[fallow mortar]

More rage= more damage

[jagged pier]

hardly kited so spots sure i kited, but most of the time no

[robust kite]

Alright so making the wall is a good choice? cause I'm making the shoulders in just a bit

[jagged pier]

3,3,2,2,3,3

[fallow mortar]

You can't go wrong with either the wall or TL. I made the wall and upped it because I raid as well @robust kite

[robust kite]

I want to raid more, PuG'd CN normal 10/10 cause no one wanted to take me lol

But no one out here lookin for a tank

[fallow mortar]

O.o

you must have a shitty server then XD

[robust kite]

oh I do big chief

WRA Kekw

Moving over to Stormrage soon

[jagged pier]

not really, lots of guilds arent looking for tanks

[fallow mortar]

he is pugging though

[jagged pier]

he pugged and quote 'cause no one wanted to take me '

which means hes looking for a guild

[fallow mortar]

I read that as he pugged 10's because no one was taking him in 25's

[gray spear]

Hi all, is there a trinket tier list for prot warrior?

[robust kite]

no lol PUG'd Nathria 10/10 took forever

[jagged pier]

dont think so only noteable trinkets really

[gray spear]

where can i find those noteable trinkets? here? or on icy ...etc

[robust kite]

Gotta get that DoS Trinket

It's a good middle ground mitigation trink

[jagged pier]

yes

[fallow mortar]

try searching "tier list of Shadowlands trinkets"

[neat dirge]

recommended conduit for endurance if i have "THE WALL" legendary shoulders?

[jagged pier]

ither LS or the SW conduit

[neat dirge]

btw is Darkeewar on this disord?

[strong forum]

Na

[faint gulch]

Sorry if a silly question, just returning to WoW from the days when resilience was a thing:

Is tanking heroic dungeons at 60 doable in PvP gear now? Or just a bad idea entirely?

[strong forum]

Heroics/mythic dungeons can be done with gear from the last expansion

So pvp is more than suitable

It's more about personal skill than gear in lower level content

[robust kite]

rank 5 pvp is M0

[faint gulch]

ahh got it, thanks!

[hidden kindle]

Any thoughts on why darkee (limit) is going mastery?

[strong forum]

Because he got mastery gear

[jagged pier]

^^

[dusty bridge]

How long would rank 5 take to hit? I’m about to have to roll my sleeves up for some pvp -_-

[strong forum]

Several hours of grind to get a full set of honor gear to rank 5

[dusty bridge]

Doable, appreciate it

[strong forum]

Literally just because alot of gear from the raid is mastery

[hidden kindle]

He has enchants with mastery

[strong forum]

Because it Sims the highest

At low gear

[jagged pier]

^^

[strong forum]

Sims are telling me to socket and enchant mastery aswell

[crimson tiger]

Thanks for answering my questions, if you wouldn't mind one more, any general tips on cd management, there are times where I do run out of blocks and rage, should I just kite then?

Tanking m+ now is just a huge wake up call in comparison to how it was in bfa, so I am probably still stuck to the old way which clearly doesnt work in SL

[jagged pier]

well you always want to save rage for SB, so if you run out your spamming to much
and you should also weave in SW and LS to help with the low block uptime and to smooth damage intake, remeber we are 100% premetive not reactive, its no use hitting a big cd like SW after you loose a lot of health, should have been poped before

[crimson tiger]

is there point stacking cd like LS and SW if no charges are up on SB?

or pop one to get extra time until charge of SB is up

[jagged pier]

I use them inbetween

but LS aitn gunna do much for you unless your running bolster

[radiant oxide]

what is the best leggo for pushing keys ?

[jagged pier]

then it gives you SB and time to recharge the charges of SB

[jagged pier]

Thunderlords or the wall

[crimson tiger]

yeah I do have bolster

[jagged pier]

well the LS gives you SB for the whole duration

[crimson tiger]

is crackling thunder better with TL lego?

[radiant oxide]

mmm i was betweens those 2 lol

[jagged pier]

preference

[jagged pier]

not really

[crimson tiger]

sorry, wrong talent name, unstoppable force is the one I meant

[radiant oxide]

i suppose thunderlord must play with demo shout talent

so its offensive too

[jagged pier]

it had synergy, but still worse than ITF and ravager

[cloud cargo]

im using force with TL legio

[jagged pier]

you should be running that at all times anyway

[radiant oxide]

ok thanks 😄

[nimble drift]

Thoughts? 200 Pulsating Stoneheart, 197 Anima Field Emitter, or 213 Gluttonous Spike? Which 2 do I use

I heard Gluttonous Spike was pretty shit for prot

[jagged pier]

stoneheart is vendor spec

so is spikes i think

nah spikes is okay i think

[nimble drift]

okay so anime field and gluttonous then

[strong forum]

Anime + gluttonous

Good combo

[jagged pier]

thats what i would choose

[cloud cargo]

Anyway.. AM or BOlster to m+? 😄

[robust kite]

Depends on Playstyle is what I've gathered from @jagged pier 's vast knowledge 😄

[cloud cargo]

I think with am, shield wall is all time up 😄

[jagged pier]

if you want more damage AM if you want more blocks bolster. but you said ealier your running UF that only works with AM

[jagged pier]

sort of yer

[wide zodiac]

If you're running Bolster, should you take Ravager instead of UF?

[robust kite]

^ Thats what I did cause im gonna be using the Wall lego

[jagged pier]

honestly you should always be running Rav

[cloud cargo]

Why ?

[jagged pier]

Ravager is better than UF

in all case

[robust kite]

cleave damage is great

[jagged pier]

even with the leggo

[wide zodiac]

Even in raids?

[jagged pier]

you take ITF in raids

[cloud cargo]

can u send me your rio ?

[strong forum]

I've been playing bolster up until 14s + the wall, but I think I'll go play the wall+bolster

[wide zodiac]

Yeah thought so

[jagged pier]

thats what i do

[wide zodiac]

AM or Bolster for raids?

[strong forum]

Both

[wide zodiac]

Been playing with both

[strong forum]

Again

[jagged pier]

but your the key master out of the 2 of us Nom

[strong forum]

😳

[jagged pier]

well you are I anit done 14s XD

pretty sure youve cleared more hc raid than me as well

[cloud cargo]

Im learning prot and +6 is hard to survive for me

aggro is fine, party is fine

[strong forum]

Na we only had 1 night on HC, cuz full on new roster

And I'm now raidleading too

Which wasn't 100% planned

[jagged pier]

meh if anyone should do it tanks best one in the raid

[robust kite]

or main heals

[strong forum]

I'd say ranged dps is easiest to raid lead from

[wide zodiac]

So for raids, do I go AM or Bolster? Or is it personal pref?

[strong forum]

I went AM+wall for hc

[jagged pier]

AM in easy content

[strong forum]

Fairly easy

[jagged pier]

I went bolster and wall for HC

[strong forum]

For mythic prolly bolster

[wide zodiac]

Yeah I've got the wall too 😄

[robust kite]

Depends on boss I ran AM for the whole thing except for Sludgefist fight

for Sludge ran Bolster

[strong forum]

Yeah that's prolly the play

I ran bolster on sludge aswell

[robust kite]

Sludge hurts like a mofo

[plain vapor]

Vault blessed me today 🙏

[jagged pier]

I mean council bolster is really helpful

[strong forum]

Huge

[crimson tiger]

I do raid as dps so I did pick venthyr, when playing in m+ as prot should I avoid using condem/execute at all times on packs and just use it whenever I know I am safe or is it not worth using at all just to keep the rage for defensives?

[cloud cargo]

its inaf haste ?

[jagged pier]

on AOE never use it, on ST go ahead

[crimson tiger]

Thanks for your time and answering my questions, guess I'll come back here once I'd be screwing up again :^)

[jagged pier]

no problem, rather people ask then keep struggling

[wide zodiac]

Yeah thanks for all the help guys. I'll go Rav + Bolster for Mythics with ItF and AM/Bolster for raiding

[solid gulch]

Is 210 Wall better than 190 Thunderlord for M+? I assume it’ll overtake Thunderlord if I keep upgrading Wall at some point, not sure when though

[jagged pier]

not really its the effects you want oon the leggos and its preference out of the 2 of them really

[young glen]

Holy Smoking Gun nice

I can basically choose between Splintered Heart of Al'ar and Pulsating Stoneheart 😦

[solid gulch]

Ah ok, thanks!

[jagged pier]

probably heart

[young glen]

Yeah seems to be the only reasonable choice

[jagged pier]

well stoneheart is just vendor teir trinket though

[young glen]

I am running pvp trinket and anima field emitter right now

[jagged pier]

thoughs 2 probs better

[young glen]

I can only see Heart for situational uses

Oh well

[strong forum]

Anime is a great trinket

Especially now that they fixed it

[young glen]

It was .. broken?

[strong forum]

Not broken, but now it's better

It used to proc on the location you charged from

So it would be just in bumfuck nowhere

[young glen]

Ah!

[strong forum]

Now it moves under you again after it procced

[slim oriole]

I have to choose between https://www.wowdb.com/items/178808-viscera-of-coalesced-hatred 220 and https://www.wowdb.com/items/178770-slimy-consumptive-organ 203 (the second trinket is anima field emitter). What's better: on-demand burst heal or little but constant?

[jagged pier]

viscera

[crimson tiger]

which trinkets would be the best for m+ I have very limited choices, Anima field emitter at 194, insignia of alacrity at 184 and decanter at 184

[jagged pier]

emitter and decanter

[crimson tiger]

thank you

[young glen]

Quantum Device is only useful if you can gain the haste buff right? And that would require certain conditions which cannot be controlled

[cloud cargo]

So SB is more effectiv than SW at all ?

[gloomy cradle]

It's deterministic so of course you can have some control over it

[radiant oxide]

if i am venthyr should i ever use condem ?

i main dps so i wont change it

[cloud cargo]

i think venthyr is best covenant for war dps

im using it even in prot 😄

[radiant oxide]

yea right?

but when tanking u just use it in ST right?

or not even there

[strong forum]

Currently SW is stronger because its 50%, and I doubt you have a 220+ shield

With a 220+ shield SB would be stronger in raw mitigation vs blockable dmg

probably

[radiant oxide]

what does SW and SB stand for?

[feral gulch]

Shield Wall and Shield Block

[robust kite]

I'm kyrian because being able to clear the bleeds during the shriekwing fight allows me to tank 3 rotations without my off tank having to take huge inc damage

[cloud cargo]

I need better shield for better SB working ? it doenst make sence

[lavish oracle]

lmao, limit killed council off stream

that's hilarious

[hazy socket]

What exactly makes a shield the most important piece of gear for a protection warrior?

[lavish oracle]

SB damage reduction scales directly with block value

and its our primary mitigation

[cloud cargo]

SB block 100% melle att

[jagged pier]

shields have block on them, that value calulates how much damage the block reduces, higher the block the more damage reduction you get, so a 220 ilvl shield has a block value high enough to mean the by blocking an attack you reduce its damage by half

[jagged pier]

block

[slim oriole]

Not only, you can heal with it

[strong forum]

The amount of dmg you block, depends on the block value you have

Block value comes from having a shield.

It's the only item in the game that grants block value, if you check your character stats you will find it down with parry and dodge

[crimson tiger]

ah, so maybe having heroic shield was not helping me in tanking 10s

heroic dungeon, not raid

[strong forum]

The higher ilvl your shield, the higher your block value.
Thus you block more %dmg.

This is part of the reason why warrior is heavily ilvl dependant, more than other tanks

[strong forum]

Yes

[strong forum]

Blocking doesn't mean you immune the dmg, it means you take less damage. For example my 190 shield reduces blockable dmg by 35%, a 226 would reduce blockable dmg by roughly 50%.

That's why it's so important to have a high ilvl shield

[scenic skiff]

what conduits are you guys running for like m+

[hazy socket]

Thanks for the very thorough answers everyone

[jagged pier]

PV and last stand conduit

[crimson tiger]

what is PV?

[jagged pier]

kyrain covenant conduit

[crimson tiger]

ah, okay

there is no point using potency conduit for tanking right? it's better to pick endurance over it?

[jagged pier]

i mean, the covenant conduits are all potency and they tend to be worth using, but its honestly prefernce, theres no need for all endurance and theres no need for all potentcy dont think you can even do that, im going for 2xpotentcy 2xendurance

[cloud cargo]

ty

[jolly thistle]

Last time I did the math it was around 40% with a 226 shield. But depending on your mastery level crit blocks may put you way above average 50% DR

[strong forum]

Didn't do the math, just going by what it was in bfa usually with max ilvl shield

Was like 45%-55% iirc

[glacial skiff]

Any of you all know if the weekly for 4 dungeons can award loot from the last two bosses if you haven’t beaten them yet?

Or at all

[jagged pier]

its 213 so i doubt it

[robust kite]

@jagged pier Just got the last of my soul ash for my Wall Shoulders , what Secondary stats should I use? Haste / Crit ?

Or should I go haste / vers

[jagged pier]

your choice, vers is gunna more of a benefit in raids and m+ what crit is kinda useless in raids, but good m+ as your being hit by a lot more targets more chances to parry

[robust kite]

alrighty gonna go craft a vers missive real quick

[amber herald]

seeing a lot of people use into the fray for m+, is it better than ravager?

[jagged pier]

umm sort of the same really, thing is these guys pushing keys will probably want the extra haste for though extra few seconds off cds and stuff,

[acoustic stratus]

I thnk storming in ToP is the worst time ive ever had playing wow in a bit

[jagged pier]

you havent tried it in sanguine depths then

[acoustic stratus]

how the fuck would you do the second boss

[robust kite]

😄

[amber herald]

gratz

[jagged pier]

well you can do the bosses in any order so can you specify?

[acoustic stratus]

no i mean on sanguine

torvald sounds like hell

[jagged pier]

you try your best basically

its not fun

[acoustic stratus]

gorechop is pretty bad

was*

[gloomy cradle]

Fairly similar, dodge the moving things and don't stand in bad stuff

Ezpz

[acoustic stratus]

i got pulled in by gorechop, bounced into a tornado then hit the moving hook wall

[jagged pier]

how did you get pulled your the tank how where you far away?

[acoustic stratus]

sometimes the adds get feisty

but that was my fault

[gloomy cradle]

I would argue that you. Should probably never chase after the adds

Just heroic throw + taunt

[acoustic stratus]

yea, it worked out fine in the end

but the last boss killed the run

[gloomy cradle]

Yeah that fight can get messy pretty quickly

I would suggest just watching a video or two, keeping boss off to the side, stacking for adds and lusting at 50% should get you kost of the way though

[acoustic stratus]

it was fine until the third pull in + ghosts and the nados

[sturdy trench]

has any1 tried thunderlord?

can u keep 100% uptime on it?

with reduced TC cd

[jagged pier]

no you cant

[gloomy cradle]

No

[jagged pier]

its capped to 4.5 CDR every TC

you will never get 100% uptime

[ionic fern]

1.5s per enemy up to 4.5s yep.

[sturdy trench]

so the wall is always better?

[ionic fern]

o.o

[gloomy cradle]

No

Lol

[jagged pier]

not nessersarily

however you sepll the word

[gloomy cradle]

Still more rage gain in a burst, which can be useful in addition to the more frequent +dmg debuff

[ionic fern]

And more frequent DR.

👀

[gloomy cradle]

The wall is probably more consistent though

At least in terms of damage reduction

[jagged pier]

personally i prefer the wall i like the consistant rage over the bursty rage

[sweet summit]

I like DAMAGE

[ionic fern]

Idk, i enjoy my TL.

Use w/e you want.

[gloomy cradle]

Dis

[lavish oracle]

Shield Wall makes it so I don't have to kite

[ionic fern]

The uptime of DS is stupid if you pull big enough.

[lavish oracle]

So having it more often feels very good

[ionic fern]

I don't have to kite with DS either.

🤷

[lavish oracle]

I mean

[gloomy cradle]

Don't even need to pull that much

[lavish oracle]

I don't lose DS

I just cast it half as often

[gloomy cradle]

DS also means things will die faster

[ionic fern]

It doesn't matter.
If you want to cast SW more often go for it. 🤷

I prefer TL so i'll stay with that.

[gloomy cradle]

Less time to worry about dying

[lavish oracle]

Pretty good torghast run 😄

[strong forum]

Good and torghast don't belong in the same sentence

[ionic fern]

Delete Maw and Torghast.

🙂

[sweet summit]

^

[north merlin]

Am i missing something or why is Limit using a Prot warrior as a tank i felt sooooo squishy in m+

[lavish oracle]

I don't mind it

[sweet summit]

Bc pwarr owns

[ionic fern]

We
are
Not
Squishy.

[lavish oracle]

Least tedious wow chore in a long time

[ionic fern]

Especially in raiding - if the melee damage is high and there are tank swaps going on we're one of the better tanks. 🤷

[lavish oracle]

Every tank but bear kinda feels squishy in M+ right now

[fallow mortar]

huh?!

[north merlin]

I like it but i didnt think i will see a Prot in the race

[eager phoenix]

the reason is darkee is a GalaxyBrain player

[lavish oracle]

I was expecting it because they spent so much time gearing up lightee's warrior 😄

[wet jungle]

Hello guys, just want to check if you guys are happy with prot atm? My favourite tank in the past buy I'm seeing some bad press

[young glen]

Yes. Happy.

[strong forum]

I like it, albeit I need more gear to be properly happy

Once you get over 200 ilvl shit starts to feel good

[gloomy cradle]

Solid all around and reasonably fun even at this gear level, will really start popping off in the coming weeks though

Unless you want to just zoom around like a fairy with a blindfold, of course

[wet jungle]

Lovely thanks, will level it now! <3

[wet jungle]

Absolutely not

[craggy portal]

Did they not add the 1 second root to thunderclap? I thought I remembered that becoming a baseline thing for prot in shadowlands

[young glen]

I am somewhat lacking essential gear pieces to talk about feeling better than last week tho

[jagged pier]

pvp talent/ essence major slot

[craggy portal]

I know it from conflict major, I just thought I remembered hearing about it being baseline in SL

[neat dirge]

do i just wanna Pump into Haste > vers > crit/mast?

[craggy portal]

Must've just been out of hope lol

[jagged pier]

nope never

[gloomy cradle]

Haste vers

But get whatever has ilvl

[neat dirge]

lookin at https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/Darkeewar, i see they are have Mastery enchants

[jagged pier]

because it sims higher

[neat dirge]

should i sim as a tank?

[jagged pier]

you can do

[neat dirge]

raidbots?

[jagged pier]

sure

[hazy osprey]

is the previous info of The Wall for raid, Thunderlord for M+ still true or has there been more theorycrafting

[lavish oracle]

they're pretty close

[hazy osprey]

because i'm trying to decide which to craft after getting wall from raid last week

[lavish oracle]

use whichever you prefer

[jagged pier]

^^

[young glen]

I did craft both

[hazy osprey]

hmm, ok

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I crafted both

[hazy osprey]

i'm thinking thunderlord+unstoppable force talent sounds really fun

[lavish oracle]

The Wall rank 2, TL rank 1

[young glen]

Yup

[hazy osprey]

i'll eventually make both yeah but i made deathmaker first since prot is os

[lavish oracle]

Fair

[jagged pier]

it has synergy yes but UF is still the worst talent to go

[drifting glade]

UF+thunderlord makes me upset

[hazy osprey]

real shit? that's not what guides/etc were saying a few days ago

[jolly thistle]

I’m at 18% haste. Prot is fun again

[jagged pier]

UF is not good after the TC nerf, dont ask me why wowhead article suggests it Rav and ITF are both better

[hazy osprey]

hmm

[young glen]

I did run Rav first week and switched to ITF now

[drifting glade]

how is it

[hazy osprey]

i've been using ravager because it times well with demo shout but i figured if i'm lowering the CD of demo i'd switch to UF for the thunderlord synergy

[young glen]

Feels smooth

[hazy osprey]

but maybe now i'll keep the demo+rav combo and make wall instead

[drifting glade]

I've been getting super upset at demo+rav getting desynced cuz of TL

[jagged pier]

you use that with ither leggo

[hazy osprey]

yeah it's just i've got demo+rav on a castsequence macro and i just use them both on cd

so if i'm lowering one i have to stop using the macro or switch from ravager

[neat dirge]

can some1 help me, i dont know how i should priotize, sims or stat weights

[hazy osprey]

i could give itf a try i suppose

[smoky sparrow]

red masta can u link that macro?

[neat dirge]

i want to be as optimal as possible

[hazy osprey]

/castsequence [@Cursor][] reset=combat/10 Demoralizing Shout, Ravager

[jagged pier]

there arent optimal stats really, 90% of your damage reduction comes for play @neat dirge

and ilvl trumps all

[hazy osprey]

remove the [@Cursor][] part if you want to aim ravager like normal instead of point and use

[jagged pier]

so stats really dont matter to much just get as much ilvl/ haste as possible as the other stats are so close

[neat dirge]

ok

do u ever pick Angermanagment?

or is it Bolster all the way?

[jagged pier]

which ever you like bolster will givve you more block AM will give you more damage

[neat dirge]

in a raid

[hazy osprey]

just curious but by TC nerf do you mean the target cap?

[neat dirge]

@jagged pier if i have "the wall"

[jagged pier]

its not target capped, and no its damage got really really nerfed

[jagged pier]

same applies

[ionic fern]

UF damage nerf from ages ago + TC damage nerf coming into SL.

[young glen]

I do not like Bolster

[neat dirge]

i think AM is seems good on paper with The wall, but Bolster just feels so better

[young glen]

Cannot really explain

[hazy osprey]

yeah i meant the "reduced damage beyond 5 targets"

[jagged pier]

'UF damage nerf from ages ago + TC damage nerf coming into SL.'

[hazy osprey]

hm, makes sense i suppose

[young glen]

Is there any scenario where Punish may get some usage?

[jagged pier]

doubt it, when can you weave in devastates?

[young glen]

True

[eager phoenix]

Revves was using Punish it for his prot m+ blasting last week

[hazy osprey]

couldn't imagine trying to use a single devastate on sludgefist when he gets mad

[lavish oracle]

Is anyone running Stalwart Guardian with the Wall? how impactful does it feel?