Each legendary has 2 slot choices
#protection
open monolith
teal kettle
thunderlord
deft vessel
a little bit, some pieces are itemized worse from normal sources so are worth more as a legendary
craft boots for thunderlord
void moat
boots for thunderlord are what I did
deft vessel
same
open monolith
Ah doesn't really matter for Thunderlord
formal river
@modern brook ty
open monolith
Boots and gloves are nearly identical in terms of stat ditribution
teal kettle
I have the wall as well
open monolith
The wall should go on shoulders
deft vessel
the weekly quest is likely with the dudes in oribos, in the main area near the vault
exotic spoke
gloves in raid are better itemized
deft vessel
that's where the weekly for pvp was
exotic spoke
so, I went boots
open monolith
Boots were 3k and gloves were 30k... So i went boots
formal river
Angry birds wow
still pagoda
even though this WQ didn't survive alpha
formal river
Fkinactivision
deft vessel
it's flappy bird
open monolith
Get your shit straight
formal river
Bird birds
deft vessel
and it's suuuuuuuper inconsistent in its detection lol
did it once, realized it's flappy bird, haven't done it since
modern brook
<:weird:718676218500874320>
nice spear ui :^)
brittle owl
you do it half asleep anyway
who cares
it's a funny throwback, it's not like you get relevant shit from it
still pagoda
brittle owl
ah yes, better make world quests take 15 min each and be a mini challenge
deft vessel
I think the match three crystals of nazjatar were more fun, or the untangle puzzles lol
brittle owl
yes, more systems
open monolith
Guilds aren't cross server, right?
formal river
Chores are fun in games I say
brittle owl
๐ด
deft vessel
no, guilds are server-specific
formal river
Make me take out the trash
brittle owl
you sound like a dirty boi
dense pivot
no raidlogging ever again please
open monolith
I was 1 dps from purple on my denathrius pug clear
fossil pelican
I look at the other spec channels and they're raging at each other about talents and abilities. I come to prot and they're talking about flappy bird. Seems standard lmao
open monolith
Big sad
formal river
In all seriousness torghast is a good way to keep people engaged.
I just hope they open it up
Infinite floora
open monolith
I like Torghast. But they need to make it easily soloable for everyone
formal river
Floors
deft vessel
Caretaker Kah'Toll in Oribos has a quest for you. Or, if you forget to pick it up there, you can start it within the Adventure Guide (Shift-J).
formal river
F that keep it roguelike
open monolith
The Torghast changes today are pretty tone deaf
deft vessel
for those wondering where to pick up quest
open monolith
I loved mage tower.
deft vessel
I like torghast so far, a bit sad I'll never get to experience the shattering throw power, literally capped on soul ash every week, never once saw it
open monolith
But Mage Tower had a very unique award and was meant to be difficult
deft vessel
i want more reasons to do torghast, give me the endless mode with the cosmetics
untold sapphire
6 ilvl or socket
open monolith
Torghast is not a unique reward
formal river
It's good for the best players to flaunt their shit. Just like vanilla wow
open monolith
Can't wait to not get it :)
formal river
You saw a guy in full t2 he was a fukin god
That doesnt translate to today but in 2005...
deft vessel
I felt pretty good about getting all the appearances on my druid from the mage tower
didn't even play war back then xD
deft vessel
swole bear is best mage tower had to offer anyway
open monolith
I got quite a few appearances. Prot warrior was the one that took me the longest
deft vessel
nothing comes close
open monolith
But i did it at like. Bare minimum ilvl
deft vessel
aye the tank one definitely took me the longest, i also did at min ilvl (when mage tower first released)
so was quite proud lol
healer one was pretty tight too with my ilvl at the time (and mediocre legendaries)
formal river
I wish a had the flail but I'm also glad I dont have it
deft vessel
the feral one was easiest of the druid ones
formal river
Good for shit yo be exclusive to people
open monolith
All warrior, all hunter, frost mage, mistweaver and brewmaster, outlaw rogue... I think that's all i got
deft vessel
I just find the forms so much more interesting than the extra skins for the other specs
lunar jackal
Lightee going prot apparently?
shut summit
still pagoda
deft vessel
who is this lightee everyone keeps talking about
open monolith
Despite him constantly saying prot dps is dogshit on stream lol
shut summit
world 1st race stuff
deft vessel
fair nuff, looking forward to world first race this time around, raid engaging, and the last minute changes seem spicy, think it's going to be a fun one ๐
coral marsh
guys if i switch from venthyr to kyrian, how long will it take until i catched up in renown?
formal river
stay venthyr my brother
coral marsh
why
fallow mortar
kyrian got taken out to the alley and got hit with the nerf bat, right?
open monolith
No
civic rover
halls of atonement is the sole reason i went kyrian
civic rover
those bleeds fucking hurt
open monolith
They got nerfed in pvp, that's it
coral marsh
while having 600 io and +13 done with prot
fallow mortar
time to kill a friend who lied to me
coral marsh
i only pug so dps war is useless
fallow mortar
got my hopes up and shit
still pagoda
time to kill a friend who lied to me
?
coral marsh
kyrian is still best for mythic+ right?
fossil pelican
1pm pst
still pagoda
aight, need to push +10-12 at minimum rn and can go off after
civic rover
let me farm renown i switched to kyrian and need to be back at the cap asap 
coral marsh
why is leaper so low in tier meters, im kiting around constantly so it sounds very useful
deft vessel
just play whichever covenant you like mate, they're all fine, they have different uses, stop stressing over simulations and what's "best"
civic rover
because it's just trash compared to the wall or thunderlord
deft vessel
^
civic rover
the problem with prot is there's a lot of downtime on mitigation and those two legendaries are able to mitigate that problem (no pun intended)
deft vessel
where on earth are you in a position where you need a second leap immediately after the first in a dungeon or raid? lol
civic rover
the bears?
civic rover
their bleed is what hurts, which is part of the reason i went kyrian lol
kiting won't stop a bleed from ticking
coral marsh
you can kite them so you never get a single stack
viral garden
Has anyone tried Heavy Repercussions too much? I went from Unstoppable Force + AM to Ravager + Bolster and I don't drop like a rock in dungeons now
deft vessel
aha, and you establish threat with the magic of your mind
deft vessel
yeah, and at that point you slow them and then jump once
and then it's fine
you don't need a second one lol
and you still have mitigation available to you
civic rover
Has anyone tried Heavy Repercussions too much? I went from Unstoppable Force + A...
HR outside of raids is probably not great. It isn't bad by any means, but bolster is just a lot more uptime.
fossil pelican
it's only an issue when your dumbass dps doesn't wait for the sheepdog to corral the chickens
civic rover
in raids it could be pretty solid, but i havent raided on prot yet.
coral marsh
raids are dead anyways they tuned them so you cant really pug heroic which is so dumb
oneshot mechanics and one dead cant kill xd
slate shell
@coral marsh use phial of serenity to remove bleeds, they eat up all CC, so they're not really taht deadly for kyrian tanks, imho
coral marsh
ill probably only play mythic+ as prot now or quit
theyll never get me into a shitty guild
fossil pelican
Yea but if you join a shitty guild, and you're the best prot war they've ever seen, does anything else matter?
coral marsh
firstly prot is shit for raiding, always was and secondly there are no good guilds
formal river
doom and gloom eh
deft vessel
uhuh
formal river
i tanking fine in raid
fossil pelican
woof
civic rover
lmao you're really comparing tank viability in raid
even in fucking top 50 there's a massive variety of tanks
deft vessel
it's always so weird that people speak about viability as if they're playing at the cutting edge of raids
coral marsh
everyone is just brew, dk for magic and pala for cheese with immunity
fossil pelican
"everyone"
civic rover
brew isn't even strong against magic
coral marsh
read again
civic rover
all tanks are weak to magic by design
deft vessel
everyone is just brew, dk for magic and pala for cheese with immunity
that's just not true my man
coral marsh
prots only perc
being good against physical
is just null and void in raids cause brews do it better
deft vessel
indeed
civic rover
but alright
deft vessel
also makes me wonder why you're even here if you're this doom and gloom lol
formal river
the best player is the one you take in 90% of situations regardless of class
lavish trout
just play whichever covenant you like mate, they're all fine, they have differen...
I don't blame people for stressing wow and high end M+/Raiders have conditioned people to feel that way, it needs to be fixed they need stop making more AP grind mechanics or in this case renown /covenant with the potential of making or breaking the game. Even in M+ your encouraged to run one covenant for early m+ once you can hit lv 31 then you can switch, that seems unreasonable. Just allow people to pick it as pure flavor.
deft vessel
just play whatever you want to play
formal river
if you are going for mythic in the first week is when you start getting into percent differences
but the vast majority of us arent doing that
so you take the best players
you have'
coral marsh
come on man just because you don't mythic raid doesn't mean playing optimally isn't an advantage and makes everything easier
it's always an advantage and it helps
civic rover
prots perks are high mobility, best pure mitigation of all the tanks, battle shout, lots of CD's that when rotated properly make you near unkillable, and you get to hear the shield slam sound effect every 5 seconds
coral marsh
the don't need it at that level is a nonsense
chilly brook
@inland silo http://www.twitch.tv/lightee7
civic rover
because switching tanks won't make you better
deft vessel
nobody's got a knife to your throat forcing you to play what you perceive to be the worst tank
fossil pelican
prots perks are high mobility, best pure mitigation of all the tanks, battle sho...
scrub, I hear it every .5s in torghast ๐
formal river
90% of situations class doesnt matter. player skill does
wicked lantern
Does @coral marsh even go here? You don't even go here bruh, move along
civic rover
if you're a bad tank as a prot warrior, you will be a bad tank as a brewmaster, because you're still at step one: learning to tank.
fossil pelican
^
lavish trout
^
deft vessel
excite
coral marsh
world first is largely just about playing 24/7 and getting into the clique
inland silo
But I thought they were bad!
fossil pelican
but but he said prot war was garbage
civic rover
so stop spreading nonsense, tank balance is ridiculously close, the literal only advantage that brewmaster and DK have, and why you see them in WF a lot, is because they're the easiest to play/heal when undergeared.
coral marsh
wow is not really a skill game
formal river
oy...
coral marsh
more social and time waste
honest plinth
the don't need it at that level is a nonsense
the main state is if you are bad tank you will be bad on all of them.
formal river
think he's just trolling and we took the bait
fossil pelican
^
deft vessel
yeah I think so too at this point lol
civic rover
world of menucraft
deft vessel
uhuh
coral marsh
600 io playing 3 days prot cant be too bad
chilly brook
coral marsh
but you decide
chilly brook
Enjoy
deft vessel
you're the one that keeps saying it's bad you dum dum
and you're the one that
is clearly missing the point
coral marsh
you called me bad not prot
deft vessel
uh, no
reef fulcrum
in a boss fight, what is a good melee mitigated % (in avg/rough estimate)?
coral marsh
but you have to kite with prot as well
formal river
you can find doom and gloom poeple in every discord, lol
chilly brook
wow is not really a skill game
That's why there are so many bad players and why you dont have super high io
civic rover
but you have to kite with prot as well
you have to kite as every tank
deft vessel
you have to kite with all tanks at a high enough level my man
formal river
there was probly a marks hunter saying they sucked before patch
coral marsh
na i dont have higher io cause i wasted 3 days for stupid pug raiding
such a waste of time
deft vessel
lol
civic rover
bro pugging in general is a waste of time lmao thats on you
deft vessel
piss off already, either bring a proper argument to the table or stop spreading bullshit
lol
coral marsh
na pugging is the only mode that really requires individual skill
coral marsh
and not getting carried by friends cause they like your "personality" XD
social game btw
inland silo
fossil pelican
your personality sucks anyways
deft vessel
clearly
civic rover
LOL
formal river
i think we found his problem
formal river
personality issue
fossil pelican
no shit lmao
formal river
sounds like a lol player ๐ and i play lol
still pagoda
@chilly brook i would not care tbh
formal river
i just get my diamond every season and quit. it makes me happy for a bit
civic rover
i hit gold and ndver played again
chilly brook
League dumb
civic rover
the characters are fun but the cmmunity is omegabad
formal river
its fun with people just like everything else
the new champs are all terrible unforunately. after tencent bought them
coral marsh
on 5 accounts diamond last season
formal river
every new champ is an anime heroine
deft vessel
it's why stuff like Among Us, Fall Guys and Phasmophobia (or whatever it's called) are so popular and fun
coral marsh
fuck the duoq abusers
civic rover
the design definitely looks like it's lower quality
like
i play norms with friends sometimes
civic rover
every champ now has like multiple dashes
formal river
they literally released a Kpop front girl as a champion
civic rover
every champ gets tanky while building zero tank items
deft vessel
huh, tencent has had a majority stake in riot for years, what're you guys on about
coral marsh
season 10 was the best since season 4 but s11 looks to suck again
formal river
@deft vessel their marketing strategy shifted becuase they got SO huge in china the past couple years
civic rover
like i played mordekaiser a month ago and i literally looked like a tank and my only "defensive" item was zhonyas
formal river
and now with the mobile game its getting crazier
deft vessel
fair enough, but there's nothing influencing them now more than before, tencent has had a majority stake in riot games for a long while now
chilly brook
Riot games aren't good change my mind
inland silo
Tencent has owned league from the very beginning
formal river
the playerbase shifted more recently though
chilly brook
Even Valorant was a flop
deft vessel
that I don't know, haven't really touched the game in a long long long while
chilly brook
coral marsh
tencent told riot to make more money some time ago, so there was a change
formal river
lol is a quality game, dont hate to hate, lol
civic rover
the hearthstone remake looks cool
deft vessel
I've played both, have enjoyed both, have moved on from both
formal river
lol yueah]
civic rover
i just alt f4'd
formal river
fair play
deft vessel
they're games lol
chilly brook
lol is a quality game, dont hate to hate, lol
I don't like mobas ergo all mobas are trash games
formal river
people that play dota are the hardcorest
chilly brook
vapid island
i can't tank +7s
formal river
fair enough griff, lol
civic rover
deft vessel
๐
formal river
@vapid island whats killing you
lavish oracle
I like DotA but no one I know plays it
vapid island
whats your mmr?
still pagoda
i've started playing LoL recently
lavish oracle
I don't play ranked
formal river
nothing wrong with silver
civic rover
silver is still better than a lot of people lol
still pagoda
civic rover
isn't gold still like top 30% or something?
still pagoda
and i also play top lane
formal river
i dont see why people get hung up on ratings. literally doenst matter
vapid island
whats top lane? safelane?
formal river
just makes your game competitive
civic rover
so karton is toxic
chilly brook
Now Rainbow Six Siege, that's a good game
still pagoda
so i can just play rts and forget that some stuff like toxicity exists
chilly brook
๐
formal river
top lane is usually an island
still pagoda
so karton is toxic
nah. More like ranged top abusive
formal river
you bastard
still pagoda
top lane is usually an island
toxic garbage island
civic rover
im a kled main
formal river
quinn?
civic rover
what about my quality kled gameplay
formal river
i play AD sion top if i autofill there
civic rover
where i literally just auto attack until i win
chilly brook
I prefer to shoot people in first person for competitive pvp games
fossil pelican
Real talk, how do you guys feel about the "Kiting meta"?
civic rover
don't like it but i can live with it
still pagoda
i hate quinn
quinn took a bit of a nerf to her bruiser matchups recently. Specifically the glacial augment + BorK interaction
so it is not as oppressive now
formal river
well that's good.
lavish oracle
You can tell I play warrior by my league main
formal river
im usually jungle these days
wicked lantern
Real talk, how do you guys feel about the "Kiting meta"?
Makes me wish I went kyrian or Night Fae. Which feels bad ๐ฆ
chilly brook
Makes me wish I went kyrian or Night Fae. Which feels bad ๐ฆ
They weren't the pick for prot for no reason
lavish oracle
Luv Olaf, my angry boy
still pagoda
vocal bison
PSA: Weekly quest for random Heroic CN gear for doing 4 M+, do that first before you loot your weekly vault.
formal river
yeah but can kyrian/NF open up with 4 9k condemns? i think not
confirmed venthyr op
wicked lantern
lolol
civic rover
imagine not being able to say "no" to bleeds lmao
fossil pelican
jagged pier
thats how its done XD
still pagoda
yeah but can kyrian/NF open up with 4 9k condemns? i think not
you can open up with 60k damage spear
civic rover
i would recommend not wiping guys
fossil pelican
thats how its done XD
Literally the best feeling ever
formal river
@civic rover you may be ok with slavery but I am not you kyrian taskmaster
civic rover
MY STEWARD IS CUTE SHUT UP
formal river
@still pagoda not on one mob!
honest plinth
Lightee going to play warrior in race? is it for real ? ๐
still pagoda
<@!254685070739243009> not on one mob!
WHO PULLS JUST ONE MOB
civic rover
guys I think i've found the ultimate secret to timing keys, the secret, I would recommend, is to not wipe. Not wiping will make timing keys much easier.
formal river
boss pulllll
lavish oracle
Yeah, probably coba
civic rover
real talk i love plaguefall
honest plinth
wow thats great
fossil pelican
hate that place so much
formal river
its not horrid compared to some others
lavish oracle
If they're still running hunter, they need BS
astral crystal
my least favorite thing is early mists trash
You can spell reflect the debuff
Very powerful
tardy parcel
my least favorite thing is early mists trash
Dude I thought I was going crazy about them. All that junk up to the first boss hits like a grown-ass man, and then the rest of the dungeon is cake.
lavish oracle
I just kite
shut summit
you can stun them a couple secs into pull, make sure reflect is up when stun ends / isnt eaten by other cast
should reflect both the big nukes
formal river
soul split right?
shut summit
then like ~13sec later they do it again
so have SW or LS up
then can reflect again
yea soul split
lavish oracle
I think they're both close enough that it's hard to say
Especially since very few people are pushing beyond 14s at the moment
formal river
im happy getting my 1 +10 a week, lol
cinder nova
Hey, I don't know who needs to hear this, but the pack of five Etherwyrms in SOA you can SR all of their casts simultaneously
lavish oracle
Not enough time to just key spam atm
formal river
just got 190 ilvl
cinder nova
Just Shockwave the lot of them when you see the first one wind up
Then SR when you see them all start afterwards
Does hilarious damage on the meter
lavish oracle
Same with the ghouls in depths before the 2nd boss
cinder nova
Depths?
lavish oracle
The pack in the cage right before the big ghost boss
chilly brook
@shut summit just curious when would you run itf in keys over ravager?
cinder nova
Is this Nathria or a dungeon?
sweet summit
sanguine depths
lavish oracle
Dungeon
formal river
that boss is one of the best idiot tests when pugging
"can your group move to the left then to the right"
cinder nova
Stepping out of beam is hard
formal river
i also like when they get stuck on the far side when im dragging it back
and have to run through and die
neat root
Might not be obvious to some tanks who might be lurkin in here, but drag the boss back
it makes it so the balls don't stack
fossil pelican
I usually pull boss back to where last garg dies, so it's pretty idiot proof
neat root
when they cross
lavish oracle
Sometimes my groups forget to kill the add
neat root
It wasnt obvious to me the first couple runs feelsdumb
lavish oracle
And they wonder why We're getting chunked when there's an add that's almost the same size as the boss
deft vessel
"can your group move to the left then to the right"
I literally tell people to just follow me. Mark myself with a symbol and let it play out as it plays out
fossil pelican
oh yea, first pull wiped cause of that. after that I've been pulling them pretty far back
formal river
@deft vessel i need to make macros for strats when pugging like that
i hate typing. gotta move
deft vessel
The thing that kills you there is the add living too long
Not the spinny ball things
Spinny ball things just overcomplicate stuff
limpid pawn
kiting meta just means every week is necrotic week lol
formal river
lol
deft vessel
It's not THAT bad
limpid pawn
ultra ez on DH and brew
neat root
Yeah the add is what ultimately kills you, but if your group isn't dodging balls it just adds a bunch of confusion to the pull.
limpid pawn
war is also pretty easy tho
wicked lantern
The thing that kills you there is the add living too long
yea but DPS getting hit by spinny ball things means less haste for them. less haste means boss lives longer. boss living longer means more ads ๐ฆ
fossil pelican
making all tanks, except bear.
limpid pawn
i have all tanks except bear ready to go
formal river
normals aare normals
neat root
I have a DH I tank a bit with, I find it kinda boring but im not pushing big keys.
limpid pawn
but if bear becomes meta for some reason, which I do not see happening, then I will level it
lavish oracle
Warrior kiting kit is pretty good with spear this time around
fossil pelican
bdk is fun, brew is kind of fun (still learning how to purify correctly) dh is meh, pally is fun imo
limpid pawn
but IMO brew and DH are the ultimate kiters
keen stirrup
what kind of shield wall CDs are you guys seeing with The Wall leggo and AM
sturdy sable
hot take mobile classes are mobile
limpid pawn
i actually think that as we gear up some more, it's possible we may see brew even overtake DH
lavish oracle
Really can't beat ring/sigil and 2 dashes
formal river
ill tell you aafter i craft wall after reset ๐
i crafted revenge leggo cause im a chad
keen stirrup
perfect lol
eager iron
So in raids how do I objectively view my performance in logs? Should I look at damage / damage mitigation, group success, positioning?
civic rover
in M+ i think bear is gonna be top tbh
lavish oracle
In high keys definitely
keen stirrup
I feel like 2min isn't a pipe dream xd
formal river
@eager iron do you stay alive and do you kill the boss
nothing else matters for tanks in raids really
warriors don't have a mitigation problem in CN atm
lavish oracle
In MDI keys, probably VDH for extra damage and so you can run resto druid
neat root
I would view your performance in a raid on whether you fell asleep or not.
formal river
hah. most mechanics for tanks are 'ok 2 stack, swap'. for 10 minutes
formal river
and you dont even have to say that becuase you can see the cast so you both are just on autopilot
eager iron
and you dont even have to say that becuase you can see the cast so you both are ...
Makes sense ty
formal river
@formal river to get more specific when im just sitting on a boss I keep shield block up and don't ignore pain until I see a cast/ability coming
when i run out of shield block I demo
just try to keep it as predictable as possible for my healers
chilly brook
Yep
formal river
im ok with it. depends on the encounter of course
chilly brook
You're doing yourself less favors by sitting on it
Less uptime on the dr
Less rage
lavish oracle
I mean it's fine if you wanna hold it, just don't run BV
vocal bison
i save my ravager for SB downtime to spam more IP unless it's a cast heavy fight
chilly brook
You still wanna hit it as soon as its up
formal river
ravager is great for IP time yeah
ITF is probly better though
im just used to ravager
vocal bison
yea i haven't tried itf for raiding yet
lavish oracle
Sometimes I like to hold rav for last stand so that my rage gen goes through the roof
astral crystal
Iโve tried itf in a few keys, feels good to have more sb
formal river
i cant give up rav for M=
lavish oracle
But never for very long
vocal bison
i feel like in high magic damage dungeons you would still want ravager for more IP over the incremental second or two for SB with itf
lavish oracle
Yeah, in low keys especially where pulls only last 15-30 seconds, I just always want more AoE threat buttons
lavish oracle
Like if pulls were taking a full minute to kill, maybe I wouldn't mind not having Ravager, because I'd have spear up virtually every pull
But they don't so I do
lavish oracle
F
vocal bison
F
formal river
venthyr is more fun in raids so there
vocal bison
I love the phial, love cheesing the first dog on hunstman with it
formal river
im top DPS on the hero opener
vocal bison
can just tank him the whole time
heroic and normal
just cuz i can, not that i need to
formal river
way to make first phase even more boring for tanks
vocal bison
lol
formal river
i mean third phase we get to slowly move! such fun
vocal bison
2nd phase is pretty fun, can make or break dps on the fight if you can navigate the dog in and out of cleave range between rip souls and stay away from cc
glacial ivy
whats highest key u timed this week?
formal river
yeah I kite back and forth. but it isnt very stressful there's a large window
tardy parcel
any ideas on the 4 quickest dungeons for the 4-dungeon quest? mists is a definite, but not sure on the others
formal river
i really like theater of pain for us. it isnt quick but there's a shitload of physical damage in there
blocking is great
tardy parcel
yeah, top is excellent for us
glacial ivy
spires are aids
tardy parcel
also just a neat dungeon from an aesthetics perspective
glacial ivy
plaguefall same
tardy parcel
spires/necrotic/sanguine my least favorite so far
glacial ivy
yup
formal river
servers look to be up
dense hull
so i made a prot warrior since i played them a ton in vanilla and BC... but it seems the tier lists don't like us. what's the opinion seem to be here?
formal river
ignore tier lists we are fine
formal river
hardest part is knowing what to pummel/shockwave/spell reflect
honest plinth
hes on warrior booois
formal river
becuase magic hurts
still pagoda
hardest part is knowing what to pummel/shockwave/spell reflect
not really. It is the hardest for DPS pugs who are dumb as fuck
formal river
lol, then its even more important foryou to know prio
still pagoda
but it shouldn't be a problem for anyone with brains
formal river
and what to use your limited tools on
as evidenced above by mists trash raping me and people giving me tips on how to handle it
void moat
Soul cleavers give me nightmares
formal river
lightee about to run mist
formal river
danke
formal river
its in dungeon journal
coral ledge
open monolith
i love theater of pain
especially since we can spell reflect the massive tank buster on the last boss
reaping scythe more like reaping NOPE
lyric glen
What are bis trinkets right now
sullen flame
Don't tell people otherwise they may stop it from dealing damage back to the boss.
neat root
Big 210 shield feels good
open monolith
i don't think it does do damage back to the boss hightin
think it just negates the damage to us
wanton adder
Uh, since when did we got Challenging Shout back?
coral marsh
theater of pain is the easiest dungeon by far
tardy parcel
since sl dropped
sullen flame
Anyone know if I can open the box to see whats in it then leave it for later?
inner harbor
@sullen flame there's a dialogue where you see the options
and you can close the window
sullen flame
I'd hate to grab like boots then get boots from the heroic quest but if theres a 220 shield in there I'd absolutely take that anyway.
vocal viper
Hey everyone! You can do your weekly mythics quest first so you donโt have as much a chance to get the same piece in your vault! FYI
formal river
do your mythics first!
inner harbor
oh sweet, mythic weekly? yes pls
lavish oracle
nah, I'm impatient
lavish oracle
I have to go to work in like an hour
formal river
know thyself
inner harbor
you're pickin the vault aren't ya
honest plinth
yo do 4 keys for CN heroic gear
and only after that you touch vault for optimal pick
inner harbor
not even keys, is it? any mythic dung?
formal river
regular mythic as welll
lavish oracle
M0s are faster, obviously
formal river
i still have late leveling guildies i can pouind m0's for
honest plinth
good time for it ๐
tardy parcel
am i at least good to open the vault to see what i have in it? then can run the mythic0s for the emissary?
vocal bison
I don't get it, why does pulsating stoneheart exist other than to take up a spot in the weekly vault, i'm pissed
what a garbo trinket, who thought it would be cool to have an ilvl 213 trinket with a whopping 6k heal and 50% slow over 12 seconds
honest plinth
its not that week
junior pebble
Is the inscurtable quantum device any value for a tank?
rough depot
how good is the slimy consumptive organ?
rough depot
tyty
honest plinth
isnt it this week?
lavish oracle
Oh wait, which one is slimy consumptive? I think I was confusing it with Viscera
Oh wait
Nevermind, Slimy is the one that's worse than viscera
lmao
vocal bison
it's the one that has 9 stacks that can heal for like 5-6k every 30 seconds, I think it's the stam trinket right?
nova moss
anyone know if the quantum trinket is good for prot?
dim crescent
New to warrior tanking, I understand I need a high up time of Shield Block > Ignore Pain per Icyveins, but what is the uptime I'm looking for on details? So far I can only get them to around 35-40% each
lavish oracle
It looks like a 5-6k heal every 30 seconds
tardy parcel
viscera is pretty slick from a damage perspective
lavish oracle
but it's ppm is absolute garbo
tardy parcel
if you don't have anything else yet
lavish oracle
so it's not even close to that
tardy parcel
slimy is dook though, yeah
vocal bison
better than the 213 stoneheart in my vault
vocal bison
that one has a 6k heal every 1min 15sec over 12sec with a 50% slow
vocal bison
idk why anyone would ever equip it
cinder nova
As far as picks from the Great Vault, are there any trinkets that are just too good to pass up on if they appear?
lavish oracle
Hakar trinket
cinder nova
Or should I generally just go with whatever will best improve my ilvl
cinder nova
I got a 200 Gluttonous Spike and a 207 Spare Meat Hook
Or I can bump my lowest ilvl slot by 23
I'm guessing the spike and hook aren't worth the pick
lavish oracle
true
formal river
Arms warrior top dps on huntsman
lavish oracle
Can you get weapon/shield tokens from the weekly quest?
formal river
They arent running unholy though
lavish oracle
BDGG?
formal river
Idk, whoever just wiped on hunts
Watching asmons stream
Tney are skipping around
Nathria is so cool. Castlevania feeeeels
tall mural
What do you guys use to sim? I don't know what to pick
lavish oracle
raidbots
I'm literally blasting castlevania music the entire time I'm in there, haha
formal river
Hah love it. I've been listening to blizz music. It's pretty good.
Asmon pulling 130k for his world first stream. Haven't seen these numbers since he ran deadmines.
Another epic raid
lethal mirage
My loot from the vault is blood-spattered scale and pulsating stoneheart. Any suggestions?
lethal mirage
alright. anybody else second that?
torn ice
Yea use scale
lethal mirage
scale it is. Thank you.
torn ice
I hope I get one in my vault.
lavish oracle
I wanted a shield but got a wep
so can't complain too much
here's to hoping this wb drops piercing verdict
torn ice
I'm gonna get me a pvp weapons this week if I get unlucky.
lethal mirage
got another question, and I hope Im not making myself look stupid.
torn ice
Using pvp gear reminds me of gearing up in BC
lethal mirage
the heart and scale are epic, other two are not.
round flame
any decent video guides from prot warrior POV for M+ runs guys? Sorry im new here and think im missing something, 186 ilvl and still taking a lot of dmg and dying too often
lavish oracle
Just not organ, whatever you do
lavish oracle
The other 3 are good options
lethal mirage
I rather liked the organ, but okay. scale and wine glass?
lavish oracle
There's no such thing as a survivability sim
steel mauve
thats all simming can do
lavish oracle
just DPS
steel mauve
you can not sim for survival
lavish oracle
I like the anima emitter field but I'm a haste junky
ember inlet
Daaamn, just crushed mists 10 with a put party, UDK and hunter were 6k overall DPS in the end
Holy Molly that is some nice damage
lavish oracle
very balanced specs ๐
sick sentinel
Would prot warrior venthyr be ok for normal/heroic raiding?
simple mural
Go with shoulders for more stam, or weapon for more dps?
chilly brook
I rather liked the organ, but okay. scale and wine glass?
Organ is bad, very bad. Delete it.
lethal mirage
alright, the emitter and scale. thank you for your help, gentlemen
lavish oracle
Any covenant will be fine in normal/heroic @sick sentinel
chilly brook
Go with shoulders for more stam, or weapon for more dps?
I'd grab the shoulders tbh
ember inlet
Shoulders ofc
torn ice
You can just but the pvp weapons
lavish oracle
Only problem with shoulders is that they overlap with The Wall
simple mural
lol I've been dps raids since we've got a lot of new tanks itching to try.
lavish oracle
Woo! piercing verdict and ring off the world boss
torn ice
Nice
sick sentinel
@lavish oracle current tanks in my guild are prot pally and DK. So im thinking of going prot and swapping with the pally cus warrior dps is bad right now. I also have the option of ret pally or spriest.
lavish oracle
I mean, spriest is pretty good right now if you enjoy it
but in general all the tanks are good options
nova rover
So what was the opinion on the Organ trinket?
sick sentinel
I just want the group to be stronger. And just bringing battle shout i dont think is helping.
torn ice
The healing on organ sucks
lavish oracle
The procs per minute on the organ is too low for it to be good @nova rover
nova rover
Im told "Darky" says its bis?
I just know everyone here had talked about how it wasnt worth it
fringe marten
What is the Soul Ash reward from layer 3 of Torghast, and then layer 6?
vivid jacinth
Tanked my first m+ of the expansion and it was a +6. at ilvl 188 I felt very squishy. I have no tanking legendaries atm. Is it just a matter of gear that's making me feel so squishy, or is there a specific legendary or trinket that really makes a difference?
languid light
Is there a list of best trinkets for m+?
nova rover
is the options I have
torn ice
I've tried using it, personally it feels bad.
lavish oracle
I'd probably go bracers but I don't know if it's correct
whatever you pick, we're low enough ilvl right now that you don't have to worry about making the "correct" choice too much
you'll probably replace the piece in a week or two
languid light
Just got an option with a trinket on my great vault, and Im curious to know if it is worth it. Trinket is Pulsating stoneheart.
chilly brook
Low healing
lavish oracle
Nah, pulsating stoneheart is bad, the armor is absolutely worthless and the healing is kind of eh and it applies a slow
languid light
Thanks
neat root
Bad tanking trinkets atm feels like
lavish oracle
if I could get an M+10 Tred'ova shield, I would be very happy
neat root
I'm runnin Anima field and armor kit. Should probably swap armor kit for pvp trinket for now.
lavish oracle
Yeah, armor kit is whack
neat root
It was that or the hook trinket
lavish oracle
why are all the trinkets tuned to shit?
like
just make the numbers bigger
some of them would be worth using
neat root
I miss the days when Stam was sick and trinkets had a shit ton of Stam
sweet summit
Hook>
chilly brook
sick sentinel
So, would you take 10 ilvl increase on shield, or 13 ilvl increase+socket on belt
lavish oracle
shield, probably
block rating is like
incredible for us this early in the expansion
sweet summit
Shield, unless its lower or equal to ilvl 200
Cos all u need is 450 conquest to get ab ilvl 200 shield
sick sentinel
My current shield is the 190 BoE, have had shit luck with mythic drop shields
sweet summit
Farm some conquest and get the conquest vendor shield imo
sick sentinel
Aight
My only piece of gear under 200 is my shield, if i get a useless piece for my 226ilvl im gonna fume
Shield would be poggers
lavish oracle
anyone with a 200 ilvl shield that can tell me what their block DR is?
sweet summit
K-value for m+ is 2455
How much block does an ilvl 200 shield have?
sweet summit
36.481% DR in m+
slender mulch
what is everyone's vers % at?
simple mural
A big 8%
simple mural
Got my haste to 19%, we're getting there!
sweet summit
Are u looking at open world block dr?
Cos open world, m+ and the different raid difdiculties have different kvalues
lavish oracle
Nah, I just used the K-value for M+
sweet summit
Sounds good
undone jacinth
whats the world boss in NA in reset?
lavish oracle
1300/(1300+2455) = 34% ish
sweet summit
Ye
undone jacinth
ty ty
sand kestrel
Brutal vitality or unnerving focus? running bolster so UF might have more synergy...
lavish oracle
yo, what the fuck?
Limit is running prot and Arms?
prot has value outside of Battle shout?
Pog
cinder nova
You don't need to run Bolster for UF to have value
You'll be using LS a lot in higher keys, so you're going to get value regardless, and more rage is always welcome.
lavish oracle
I guess maybe they just need one of the two warriors to be there for loot?
cinder nova
Think I should upgrade my Thunderlords or my Wall?
lavish oracle
I'm gonna build R2 the Wall this week
but that's just me
I don't know which one is like
technically correct
lucid dew
wow im surprised limit running prot
cinder nova
I wanna go Wall for raid, but I know I'll use Thunderlords is better for the rest of my week and cleave fights
Because TL = Mythic+
lavish oracle
I think they're both pretty competitive in M+
steel mauve
nome was using the wall in m+ and preferred it
difference between smoother rage gen/dr or on demand rage gen i believe
lavish oracle
Having SW up more often means you can stay in longer too
fringe needle
titan's grip prot spec when
chilly brook
Lightee actually making the second add on huntsman look like a joke
astral crystal
shield from cache les gooo
chilly brook
BuT MaGiK DaMoOj
astral crystal
from vault*
still pagoda
Lightee actually making the second add on huntsman look like a joke
like. I suspected that soul rip will become a joke due to reflect
Well, i was right
chilly brook
BuT mAjIk DaMoOj@still pagoda
still pagoda
oh, it is not what i'm thinking about
since rip soul is not reflectable
but everything else
BuT mAjIk DaMoOj [2]
lavish oracle
@still pagoda when's your guild gonna invite you back?
lavish oracle
F
still pagoda
and you think i want to deal with 3 idiots as guild officers?
no, thanks
i think i'll take a break from WoW for now. Basically stuck in a situation where i can't do any content
pugging is 10 times more frustrating now
lavish oracle
Aw, that's a rough spot to be in
lavish oracle
Could always just join a chill social guild and run heroic once a week for a while
Unless that seems very unfun, to you
craggy harness
even that, some people will need a break, before you can think of that
tall mural
wow, I thought for a sec rip soul was reflectable cause of what you said and I was like well I just made my raid team have a harder time for no reason.
craggy harness
just because of the bad feelings
chilly brook
wow, I thought for a sec rip soul was reflectable cause of what you said and I w...
No it's not but its magic damage and spell reflect is a big magic reduction if it cant be reflected
still pagoda
even that, some people will need a break, before you can think of that
had enough salt to warrant a break from WoW. Getting screwed multiple times in a row and now also detached from the game because of getting kicked out of a raiding guild because prot warrior is nowhere fun and enjoyable
lavish oracle
Yeah, that's fair
empty locust
I doubt anyone will say that for long now Limit are running one as MT for prog
people are sheep
still pagoda
no guild needs tanks on EU horde right now
lavish oracle
The only bosses that matter are the last 3
still pagoda
I doubt anyone will say that for long now Limit are running one as MT for prog
this didn't make VDH "good" in the eyes of community back in nyalotha
just understand this already
grizzled forge
And just like that warrior in the world race after all the hate
still pagoda
just Limit running one good tank spec for raid prog won't make it meta
grizzled forge
Didnโt say it was meta
still pagoda
i'm talking to Gael
grizzled forge
But everyone literally said you wonโt see one in world race
chilly brook
But everyone literally said you wonโt see one in world race
Not even just 1 but 2
still pagoda
it's 8.0 all over again
chilly brook
A tank and dps
still pagoda
7.1.5 all over again
still pagoda
it's all the same times of "nerfed" warris and by community
lavish oracle
Thought for sure they'd just run 1 for BS
still pagoda
now, with most of the content actually being challenging(which is great on its own), pugging became cancerous as fuck and almost impossible
and warris became even more of a "garbage" in the eyes of WoW community
lavish oracle
I'm fortunate enough to have friends playing this xpac
chilly brook
Thought for sure they'd just run 1 for BS
Execute damage is still nuts
lavish oracle
Even if I'm not doing anything high level it's enjoyable
chilly brook
Plus rally is nuts
lavish oracle
Yeah, the rally conduit is pretty busted
open monolith
220 belt from vault / 213 gloves from weekly quest
not bad
had the option for the 200 hungering devourer trinket
chilly brook
Which is actually pretty powerful utility available to dps warriors
lavish oracle
Safeguard had some niche utility last xpac
still pagoda
I'm fortunate enough to have friends playing this xpac
all my friends quit WoW back in BfA and decided against playing SL. People i've started doing high and not so keys with in S4 all quit too
still pagoda
one of my pwarri bros from Kazzak, nuu, quit the game too
open monolith
nice to see complexity doing mythic with a prot warrior ๐
any insight as to... why?
tender imp
because its the best
lavish oracle
We were just talking about it
still pagoda
any ACTUAL insight into why?
consistency compared to other tanks
and lots of good utility
lavish oracle
Battle shout + rally are pretty big
open monolith
up to 25% haste. feels nice
empty locust
Arms warrior is totally pumping
midnight stone
25%!?
open monolith
yes 25%
midnight stone
Haste on every item?
open monolith
shoulders and ring no haste
neat root
Is Gluttonous Spike any good?
rain dune
So I know iLvl > all but I'm looking at a 30 ilvl helm upgrade with crit/mast versu a 16 ilvl upgrade on gloves with haste/vers leech
Does the haste/vers make it more worth it with the shield block uptime?
sick sentinel
I can get a 216 Viscera trinket, that good?
civic rover
no
civic rover
So I know iLvl > all but I'm looking at a 30 ilvl helm upgrade with crit/mast ve...
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