But they also have tools that make that taking more not actually needing more
#protection
chilly brook
dense pivot
more like boo master amirite
chilly brook
I.e. celestial fortune
steady aspen
20 timed Keys, 3 drops...
dense pivot
unlooky
still pagoda
i've got 3 drops out of 15 runs and kinda satisfied
because half of these runs were either bricked or not finished
high folio
so whats this kiting thing i keep reading? are tanks not able to tank groups anymore?
chilly brook
Lots of kiting this xpac because blizz decided tanks need to be paper
dense pivot
in super high keys yeah no one has gear for it
high folio
ohhh i see
still pagoda
@chilly brook i think i will craft some kind of arms pvp lego next. No way i'm pugging the raid right now so...
empty nexus
what first lego to craft ?
mellow patio
Not even super high keys lmao I started kiting consistently at like 11-12
14-15 I’m never in there
high folio
that makes more sense, i thought you guys were meaning that tanks cant take damage anymore
slate laurel
what first lego to craft ?
the wall if you have it imo, if not I think thunderlord is not too bad for m+
high folio
super high keys makes a little more sense bc of gear
empty nexus
yeah dont have wall yet
chilly brook
Can't have a super best tank in m+ if they all suck amirite? @mellow patio
lavish flame
is there anyone here who tanks m+ but does dps for raid? im wanting to tank m+ but not sure about tanking raid as ive never tanked a raid, also seems hard to find a guild that doesnt have tanks already.
empty nexus
paladin tanks can outheal healers and thats insane tbh
mellow patio
They will be good this tier
slate laurel
tanking raid is 100x easier than m+
still pagoda
the wall if you have it imo, if not I think thunderlord is not too bad for m+
both are great right now
mellow patio
No shit
chilly brook
Paladin tanks healing means they're not mitigating and probably gonna die
still pagoda
raid tanking is a snoozefest
empty nexus
tanking raid is 100x easier than m+
rly ? i was super scared to try tanking raid lol
chilly brook
Unless you're talking about m+ with shield absorb
inner harbor
Tons of free HP/WoG procs
mellow patio
Raid tanking end of heroic raid with no gear is not a snooze lmao
still pagoda
Paladin tanks healing means they're not mitigating and probably gonna die
or they use that one free WoG every 5 SotR's. Which is a rather small amount of healing
slate laurel
yea idk about it being a snooze, but it's definitely not difficult
chilly brook
Tons of free HP/WoG procs
Your DP procs are best used to keep SotR up
still pagoda
Raid tanking end of heroic raid with no gear is not a snooze lmao
yeah. But generally, as time goes, this fun aspect goes away
lavish flame
oh lol, taunt swapping worries me, i dunno why.
still pagoda
sadly
chilly brook
Spending holy power for healing is a trap
still pagoda
and tanking on mythic prog is definitely fun if you're early on that boss
empty nexus
my friend prot paly can pull 5k hps throughout the dung its insane if u build it for healing lol
mellow patio
Today is the day of the day raid
slate laurel
Today is the day of the day raid
w0t
still pagoda
my friend prot paly can pull 5k hps throughout the dung its insane if u build it...
until he gets oneshot for going that healing build of yours
chilly brook
Which is a lot of absorb
steady aspen
Had today pug warlock whining whole run how bad our group is. he had 0 interupts, 1,8 k overall dps 188 i lvl. He left after wipe on 3rd boss
mellow patio
Day raid. Our guild raids during the day so we can get world top 10 kills as a meme lmao
empty nexus
until he gets oneshot for going that _healing build_ of yours
didnt seen that happen yet LUL
dense pivot
people need to be more chill
mellow patio
No
dense pivot
you don't even deplete keys anymore
just chill with bros dude
it's supposed to be fun
mellow patio
No can’t make me
dense pivot
they delevel?
craggy harness
they despawn
chilly brook
Insert clip of lightee
craggy harness
have to start from +2 all over
mellow patio
They de-lete
chilly brook
Pull 3 mobs
dense pivot
ah shit okay
chilly brook
Move in straight line
craggy harness
<sarcasm>
chilly brook
You cant fail
inner harbor
lol
chilly brook
civic rover
my friend prot paly can pull 5k hps throughout the dung its insane if u build it...
paladins naturally heal a lot because they mitigate less damage than tanks like warriors and bears
still pagoda
^
mellow patio
When does dh get healing back
still pagoda
paladins naturally heal a lot because they mitigate less damage than tanks like ...
this makes them really susceptible to oneshots and demanding for good healer
mellow patio
Dk just sucks we have established
mellow patio
Str8 buns I’ll fight anyone who says otherwise
chilly brook
Maybe in Legion
steel mauve
wait, keys don't deplete anymore?
they delevel, changed it for bfa, you dont deplete a key and then need to run it to make it active again
chilly brook
But like not since the removal of them actually being self sustain
mellow patio
People who say dk is fun are smooth brains who can’t process high apm
civic rover
dk is fun though
leaden steeple
is he talking about really high keys? 'cause my brm alt feels much easier to play in +2 to +6
civic rover
i literally get to hook enemies
mellow patio
Then what
empty nexus
i rly enjoy warrior tanking even tho its hard af compared to dudu swipe spamming lol
mellow patio
Let them hit your skull and press a button every 5 minutes
civic rover
then watch my healer get unbelievable amounts of stress
grand drum
is he talking about really high keys? 'cause my brm alt feels much easier to pla...
he literally says at the start of the video, +14 keys
chilly brook
is he talking about really high keys? 'cause my brm alt feels much easier to pla...
No hes talking about 14s like it says at the start of the clip
still pagoda
It's actually an 8.0 repeat lmaoooo
as usual. Feels 7.1 again
cloud cargo
AM or Bolster ? What are u using ? :S
steel mauve
bolster
leaden steeple
No hes talking about 14s like it says at the start of the clip
oh yeah true, missheard him on the first time
still pagoda
@chilly brook https://www.twitch.tv/lightee7/clip/CourageousPuzzledBeePeteZarollTie?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time
chilly brook
Lmaooo
civic rover
"that discord intentionally tries to be wrong" LOL
chilly brook
That's funny af
civic rover
what did mandl do
civic rover
brittle owl
mandl dared try to tell people that max and lightee aren't absolute pillars of knowledge
leaden steeple
are next weeks affixes up anywhere
brittle owl
and the "hurr durr bdk bis in nyalotha" isn't due to "muhgic damej lol"
chilly brook
mandl dared try to tell people that max and lightee aren't absolute pillars of k...
So you mean I shouldn't listen to max when he says something stupid about SeLf SuStAiN tAnKs
Damnit
brittle owl
hEaLeR ReLiAnCe
still pagoda
mandl dared try to tell people that max and lightee aren't absolute pillars of k...
Max is more like bullshitter when it comes to warriors, beta testing and rage soycrying ala "warri is so terrible idk how to play"
🙃
still pagoda
🙃
brittle owl
max isn't really a bullshitter but he does have hot takes galore
aside from naowh, WF tanks are pretty trash in general skillwise
still pagoda
that galore was for the entirety of SL beta
aside from naowh, WF tanks are pretty trash in general skillwise [2]
well, fem is great too as he's now a tank for Method
chilly brook
Inb4 sco goes warrior
still pagoda
getting 100% effective SB uptime and cooldowns for every tankbuster on warri is easy as fuck
brittle owl
there's enough warrior memeing with kungen atm tho
brittle owl
do you live under a rock
still pagoda
THE GOD WHO FELL FROM EARTH HAS RETURNED
brittle owl
i assume you do
still pagoda
yes
chilly brook
Who
brittle owl
yes
still pagoda
i don't watch streams much
brittle owl
o
chilly brook
Yes
brittle owl
another underrock dweller
chilly brook
I live under bridge
chilly brook
Ah
still pagoda
brittle owl
bdk damage is so sad
still pagoda
i'm playing warri just because i enjoy the spec
since it's 8.0 repeat, it's gonna be even funnier
rotund terrace
is there a spreadsheet of what abilities can be spell reflected?
heady glen
Aw man i finally switch to protection to smash some torghast and they buff it >: |
chilly brook
Aw man i finally switch to protection to smash some torghast and they buff it >:...
It'll probably still be free
still pagoda
watch kungen while it lasts [2]
still pagoda
he gonna quit soon
seems like he's really positive about SL so far
vagrant cape
I'm so happy Darkee/Lightee is running prot warrior for limit progression
we won't be seen as bad (as much)
still pagoda
yeah, i don't mind the loot really
if it goes as low as it is rn
i'm just gonna do some pvp and get loot from there lul
leaden steeple
tbh its not the loot in m+ but the 35anima that feels like an insult
chilly brook
Give us a currency
rotund terrace
should be 250 anima
chilly brook
That we can spend on relevant loot
still pagoda
craft enduring blow, find WLD/TSG/Turbo bros and smash to 2k @chilly brook
chilly brook
Like back in wrath
still pagoda
dense pivot
LMAO
brittle owl
kungen is NOT happy
mr hardcore dayraider did 14 m+ runs in 2 days
dense pivot
vanilla shill complains about loot?
rotund terrace
35 anima for a +2, with 10 more anima per level
brittle owl
can't have that droprate with that playrate
dense pivot
I raided for my fucking belt for 9 months before I got it
seen exactly 1 2h weapon I wanted in over a year of raiding
chilly brook
To be fair loot wasn't that hard to come by in classic
Unless you're talking raid specifically
But theres so many raids that are relevant anyways
chilly brook
Specific items maybe
brittle owl
raidloot was a function of time
still pagoda
But theres so many raids that are relevant anyways
AQ20 and ZG are a thing too
so you have a lot of ways to catch up quickly
weak plover
bois is there any spread sheet for prot warrior ? legendaries / cov / stats ?
dense pivot
I won't even talk about fucking thunderfury, so many MTs with crushed dreams sitting on their crafting materials
vocal bison
bois is there any spread sheet for prot warrior ? legendaries / cov / stats ?
Some good guides in the pin for this channel I'd recommend checking out, covers pretty much all that.
dense pivot
including my bro
vocal bison
I won't even talk about fucking thunderfury, so many MTs with crushed dreams sit...
took me 10 years of farming - granted I had some downtime during there, but still
jagged pier
just did my first 10 all i can say it much easier than 5-9s XD
weak plover
Some good guides in the pin for this channel I'd recommend checking out, covers ...
thank you ❤️
muted pendant
any tips on NW m+? I feel terrible to pick up the adds that spawn on 2nd boss. The warriors will naturally come to me and the mages can be kicked but running/charging around that much is kinda shitty when hes doing necrotic breath after hes following you :U
chilly brook
According to lightees stream tank discords are fuming lmao
shut summit
mark the 2 mages, hopefully you have ranged interrupt to get them in, move everything to crossbowman
if no ranged kicks then just have melee or two run out and kick them
deft vessel
21 keys ilvl 181.... I'm both frustrated that I've had such absolute dog shit luck and am behind on gearing despite all my running of keys and annoyed at everyone else who complains even though they're 10 item levels higher than me with less keys
but anyway, just venting
vocal bison
21 keys ilvl 181.... I'm both frustrated that I've had such absolute dog shit lu...
honor gets you some 184 pieces, i'd take a break and do some bgs, lol
deft vessel
=.=
vocal bison
21 is a lot in a week
deft vessel
yeah, I went pretty hard over the weekend
even did a 10 (not in time)
spires is painful
vocal bison
spires i find it difficult to see some of the krap on the ground
deft vessel
so I'll have a 220 next week! even tho I'm 181 equipped!
vocal bison
it's like light grey on a light grey floor
deft vessel
yeah some of the ghostly foggy things on the floor are kind of bleh to see
the spears on first boss for example
still pagoda
chilly brook
I feel like we had this conversation in here not too long ago
still pagoda
Lightee just used ehrps as a knock against blood dk
have you heard his advice to more casual guilds?
chilly brook
still pagoda
still pagoda
fading crypt
Is kyrian stil good after these changes or do we have to wait and see?
deft vessel
only in pvp and the duration is increased to compensate
void moat
^
fading crypt
Oh, i did see pvp and was hoping it wasnt gonna get snuck into pve
muted pendant
mark the 2 mages, hopefully you have ranged interrupt to get them in, move every...
that makes sense - probably hunters are too lazy sometimes, not to talk about some mages - thanks buddy
still pagoda
@fading crypt you take kyrian for spear. Everything else comes as a pleasant bonus
deft vessel
pmuch, spear is great, love it
fading crypt
i dont mind it
deft vessel
like, both thematically, mechanically, just in general, love everything about spear xD
fading crypt
i kind of like NFae better for the continued shockwave
almost like having 2
but i went kyrian anyways
deft vessel
why so? if you like night fae why not go night fae?
chilly brook
Very competitive
fading crypt
dude they look horrible haha, ill pass
chilly brook
I mean their armor is actually dope
fading crypt
i like krian better huge on tauren
chilly brook
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
deft vessel
I definitely like kyrian armor better, plate set looks cray on night fae
xD
esp on tauren xD
chilly brook
You're a glowing blue walking trashcan as Kyrian....
deft vessel
perfect representation of my life 
clever jungle
I'm a noob - what's the best addon to use for tracking Ignore Pain to prevent overheals. The value cap on IP is 200% base value, correct?
deft vessel
well other than the blue part
fading crypt
Tons of WA out there
formal river
damn, those blood buffs
deft vessel
I use Luxthos's warrior auras
fathom stag
Solo torghast layer 6+ at 160 ilvl is no more T_T (possibly, we will see)
deft vessel
I mean, so far soloing anything at 6+ has not existed for it to be no more 😛
since, you know , nothing beyond 6 is available
craggy harness
That's not how I read 6+
coral marsh
how good is signet on prot
craggy harness
6 or above
deft vessel
I know, I was joking and in the same way trying to point out his hyperbole
craggy harness
but i get what you mean lol
chilly brook
damn, those blood buffs
What you mean the damage buffs they posted days ago?
deft vessel
anyway, unrelated - is there a full-ish reference of what shattering throw is useful on in the expansion so far (pve, pvp is more obvious)
chilly brook
Cuz it's like nothing
deft vessel
I know of the shield on the last boss in necrotic wake
coral marsh
does anyone here have exp with signet on prot?
deft vessel
that's it
chilly brook
anyway, unrelated - is there a full-ish reference of what shattering throw is us...
Last boss on NW, the adds in NW that get shields at the beginning etc.
deft vessel
does anyone here have exp with signet on prot?
I have no idea what signet you're referring to
deft vessel
Last boss on NW, the adds in NW that get shields at the beginning etc.
fair fair, I might just experiment with it more
chilly brook
Sentinels in Spires
coral marsh
the legendary signet of kinds
deft vessel
ah it breaks the channel shield? cool
deft vessel
yeah okay, fair
craggy harness
was the 300% dmg increase to shield party wide?
chilly brook
Anything with a shield it's worth using
craggy harness
using it regardless
tardy parcel
Shattering Throw is also good on Hakkar's shield.
chilly brook
Hakkar
tardy parcel
hakkarmind
chilly brook
deft vessel
the legendary signet of kinds
To my knowledge it's not worth using the Signet of Tormented Kings on prot, it may cause you to lose control over your character during bladestorm which is a big no no for a tank in any relevant content.
craggy harness
or maybe wrong - walking away
plucky shadow
also good on the final boss in mists right?
tardy parcel
yep
deft vessel
hm okay I defo need to use it more then
maybe a compiled reference would indeed be nice to have as a pin/resource somewhere
🙂
tardy parcel
I'm not sure how useful that will be - just chuck it if you see a shield lol
inner harbor
is WCL still the defacto logging? i'd like to improve myself in m+, not sure if that's the best platform
chilly brook
is WCL still the defacto logging? i'd like to improve myself in m+, not sure if ...
Yes
coral marsh
@diruu can just go ravager or cancelaura?
craggy harness
the health increase for solo healers and tanks that's coming up
People pre-emptively worrying
inner harbor
it's only a physical dmg increase for tanks isn't it?
tardy parcel
I think I already know the answer - but the Discharge cast from the Headless Clients in DOS... it's able to be LOSed, right? Thing was absolutely chunking me in a +10 if it wasn't interrupted
formal river
i think i'll still be fine with condemn
but gl to you kyrian bastards
got my nathria shield last night i can take on the world
shit's pretty
vocal bison
ooh i'm jealous
craggy harness
i'm just sad that at layer 7 i won't be able to trust myself to pull until the end, come hell or highwater
formal river
you only need to clear like 3 bosses for it ara. puggable
vocal bison
the heroic one?
inner harbor
@formal river how does condemn feel in M+?
tardy parcel
lol
vocal bison
haha
tardy parcel
the real endgame, after all
deft vessel
@diruu can just go ravager or cancelaura?
I suppose you can use cancel aura, but i see more value in things like the thunderlord legendary in mythic+ context or the wall in raid context
formal river
@inner harbor condemn fells wonderful on bosses but I do wish I had spear/NF for packs
deft vessel
now that demo shout is not affected by anger management I enjoy running ravager + bolster + thunderlord + booming voice
formal river
its undeniably weaker because trash is whats hard
spear/nf casts help a ton with kiting. I make do with shockwave/tclap
vocal bison
did Artificer, was pretty fun, Inerva was blowing my group's mind, geometry is hard.
craggy harness
lol. its like people want to paint the entire room with portals
void moat
It hink what made artificer hard is it knocks you around before the orbs com eout on Inerva
erm
inerva hard*
craggy harness
"puts portal on other side of sword"
inner harbor
i wish i played one class where ven'thry was optimal for m+ ;\
craggy harness
or "puts both portals on other side of sword"
vocal bison
yea, the knockback before the lazer geometry sucks
craggy harness
had that happen
vocal bison
for the slow classes
formal river
venthyr wont stop you from doing a 15
inner harbor
and i wholeheartedly disagree with ion's "they're all close" take
void moat
was gonna say. I haven't seen it required yet
formal river
there are cooldowns on covenant abilities
cant use every pack, lol
but it does help for the trouble ones
void moat
Even in Paladin they're between kyrian or Venthir
formal river
venthyr paladin is stupid damage
inner harbor
ashen hallow is just a reeeeally long cd
void moat
I think they did a good job of giving you good Pros for each of your 2 major choices
the cons are usually down to "your other choice ahs this thing"
which is pretty nice
tardy parcel
necrolord has the buff of having one of the most baller plate sets available to it, too
void moat
LMAO
formal river
i like the necro RP tooo
void moat
I quite like the Kyrian ones
coral ledge
Necrolords got a buff?
void moat
It hink that there's so much division between cosmetics is a good sign
tardy parcel
kyrian/necro/night fae are all gorgeous plate sets imo
void moat
he was just talking cosmetics haha
tardy parcel
yea lol
coral ledge
I like all the covenant sets except for kyrian
void moat
See ^
formal river
necro got a str buff added to baner
deft vessel
I totally dig the necrolord plate, but I found the banner...uninteresting compared to the spear, just the general gameplay of it was less engaging in my eyes
coral ledge
Yeah banner is not rly fun
glacial ivy
so i can watch?
deft vessel
I absolutely use a kyrian back piece that hides the shield on my back tho
coral ledge
Fleshcraft is kinda fun tho
formal river
i still say just put the banner on our back like a blademaster
its immediately more fun
coral ledge
Knowing when to use FC
deft vessel
and I use a fist weapon so I look unarmed when my weapons are stowed
limpid pawn
did they change it so the 2 hour trade window occurs even when you log off for loot?
tardy parcel
I absolutely use a kyrian back piece that hides the shield on my back tho <:peep...
I just want dem WINGS bruh
void moat
sammeeeee
deft vessel
saaame
coral ledge
Shit u rite
deft vessel
but hey, I dig my look now
void moat
I might start just storing souls for trial of ascention upgrade hahah
formal river
i like venthyr plate. im happy
inner harbor
the ursol's vortex of spear is just so good though
empty nexus
what tank trinkets should i go for
inner harbor
hakkar and the dr dude in plague (dps) i think
void moat
it's like another defensive
formal river
i still have the friggin thorns one as my other
i jjust macro it to demo shout and forget about it
its trash
void moat
I got the Shard from Sun King as my 2nd trnket and that's been incredible too. Heals me to almost half if I take a lethal hit
void moat
I use it for my mthic+
inner harbor
whatever you do though, don't get trapped by that theatre of pain tank one
even with 21% haste, it's like 1% of overall healing and dmg
void moat
I find just collect trinkets and experiment. it's what i've been doing. I got a Cube as well and that thing is NUTS
deft vessel
this is what the back piece looks like, I have a shield equipped and stowed, and that makes me happy (the rest of the mog is different now to match the back piece)
inner harbor
looks like a protractor
deft vessel
I still use a freaking world quest trinket at ilvl 164, the one taht procs often when you get hit and does increased damage and healing for more targets
this thing
spice shadow
Any fun M+ prot streamers? Quite like to see some Prot from a higher key perspective.
formal river
I have seen 0 warriors streaming, lol
deft vessel
and yes, I don't have any better trinkets as a 181 equipped tank with 21 m+ runs done lol
formal river
All the pros are playing other tanks.
spice shadow
Yeah.......
formal river
I clear 10's. Might be able to setup stream
spice shadow
That's the problem!
inner harbor
monk still the raid prog tank of choice?
strong forum
depends on what you consider high
deft vessel
I kind of don't know what trinkets to run, they all seem underwhelming
formal river
I still beat 10 timers now that I have the gear
spice shadow
Well best I can do is an 8 right now so higher than that 😉
blissful imp
did shard get nerfed or you don't have it yet?
chilly brook
monk still the raid prog tank of choice?
Not according to lightee
deft vessel
druid has been pretty popular so far
formal river
Blood is going to be realllllly good
deft vessel
even though it was slammed pretty hard in beta
formal river
After the buffs
chilly brook
Blood is going to be realllllly good
Again not according to lightee
The buffs are a 4-6% gain overall dps
limpid pawn
2 hour loot window - is this something that keeps going when you log off?
chilly brook
Its negligible
inner harbor
they had that huge party heal that was nerfed? (blood)
formal river
That's quite a buff.
chilly brook
That's quite a buff.
Not when your dps is in the trash to begin with lmao
It's like 80 dps
formal river
That's a fair point. Are people not running bonestorm or something?
formal river
Leveling BDK right now and it feels great
chilly brook
Bonestorm isn't getting buffed
deft vessel
makes sense, worked that way with the boxes as well
chilly brook
So again
Its negligible
They could give them a 20% aura buff and they'd still be last place damage likely
void moat
@strong forum LMAO i'll come thru fam
deft vessel
and yeah, the buffs and nerfs have all been pretty tame to get things slightly closer to each other but not really affect overall balance much
like the resto sham 4% nerf, or the 20% mastery nerf on unholy, or the 5% buffs on several DPS specs or 5% nerf on aimed shot and arcane shot
all minor, all leading to slightly more in line numbers, nothing major, nothing falling out of the meta
play whatever the hell you like and you're good at lol
ember crest
people asking about prot war streams, im pretty sure @shut summit still streams regularly on twitch -> https://www.twitch.tv/snse ?
shut summit
chilly brook
Leveling BDK right now and it feels great
What it feels like while leveling and what it is at max level current content are two different things
void moat
I can second Diruuo. just play the specs you're good at. Improve yourself to a fine edge
for instance I have a BM hunter I play with who is uspposed to be B-tier
but she is a fucking MACHINE
constantly out-dps'ing entire raids
formal river
P@chilly brook been playing a while bud. I know this
void moat
It's because she knows her strengths, which is doing DPS on th emove while doing mechanics as a BM hunter
formal river
One person's experience is known to be anecdotal
void moat
like seriously. Just get out there and play what you play and do it well and you'll be fine
formal river
Yeah I love my warripr
void moat
I can GURANTEE people will notice and take you in the future for stuff
formal river
Great toolkit
chilly brook
P<@133532617940140032> been playing a while bud. I know this
Ok bud
void moat
just the other day I had a healer who felt I was the easier tank to heal
formal river
Good talk
void moat
just cause I was so familiar with kiting and when to do it properly
formal river
Heroic leap males me happy
void moat
agreed
formal river
Gtfo card
tough dock
im trying my best and keys and im having trouble with shieldblock uptime, can i still go the standard build an swap bolster instead of am?
void moat
I'm an engineer and rocketboots are just 🙏
spice shadow
people asking about prot war streams, im pretty sure <@!105027920459776000> stil...
Cheers mate!
formal river
@tough dock bolster 100%
tardy parcel
until they yeet you into the air lmao
sturdy sable
@tough dock bolster is the play most of the time
void moat
Yeah Bolster covers your shieldblock. But usually I just try to kite after my 3rd Shieldblock
there's ways around it
formal river
Making my big wall leggo so I'm trying AM this week
tough dock
thanks all i just felt AM just real poop when im out of of stuff
sturdy sable
naw after the third block you clench and hope ignore pain keeps you alove lol
formal river
When you are out of suff dont hesitate to tclap leap away
void moat
I mean there's pleny of tools.
formal river
Bette than dying
void moat
Yeah perrin is right. You have SO much availble to you
Leap, if you're kyrian you can spear
shockwave the pack
even Shout is good
depending
formal river
I run the shockwave conduit and talent. I love it
void moat
I'm just saying your toolkit has a lot of things in it to deal with that window
tough dock
do you guys overlap demo with block usually or separate?
chilly brook
Storm bolt>shockwave talent
void moat
PLUS don't forget you have teammates
sick sentinel
mythic dentharius is going to be insanely hard
chilly brook
Priority stun is much more useful in m+
formal river
We didnt get denathrius down in heroic.. gl to you mythic fellas
I dont want to be you
formal river
Too old for that shit now lol. I need sleep
sonic garden
What do you guys think of the threat upgrade, much needed?
sick sentinel
i'm watching the OTK stream to learn how to tank raids regardless
formal river
Personally I was ok without it but it was stressful and required a lot of tab targeting
chilly brook
What do you guys think of the threat upgrade, much needed?
They need to fix threat period
It doesn't make sense
sick sentinel
when is the 10% threat coming
sonic garden
Personally I was ok without it but it was stressful and required a lot of tab ta...
Exactly how it was for me
Today
chilly brook
We're supposed to have a 6x modifier
sick sentinel
good
void moat
my enhance shaman ALWAYS ripped off me I had to work really hard to keep things
chilly brook
But somehow it's possible to have it ripped off you from someone who's doing only 2x your damage
formal river
Enhance looks beastly atm
chilly brook
Something is bugged somewhere
formal river
Yeah thats odd @chilly brook
lethal arrow
so i have tanked since vanilla but im finally in a group doing mythic+ and ive gone as far as 7
void moat
Enhance is very good. Their major drawback is they get wrecked in mobility
chilly brook
Apparently spear doesnt apply tank modifier for example
sick sentinel
what spells do we have that are OFF the GCD, i knoq SB, IP SR for sure.
lethal arrow
i feel like i have to decide alot between IP and SB
void moat
@lethal arrow congrats! i'm so glad. Welcome to the fray!
tulip crane
Probably a misplaced decimal somewhere
deft vessel
I didn't have too much trouble with threat, after a gcd or two I usually establish it, some bursty classes may rip at the start if I don't stagger cooldowns/pool rage appropriately but beyond that not too bad I think blood dk has a harder time since their damage is lower than prot war's
void moat
@lethal arrow are you asking for advice on when to decide between them?
lethal arrow
but I never have enough rage
formal river
Honestly if you just skull a target it's less of an issue
lethal arrow
yeah i guess so
chilly brook
I've actually had less problems with blood dk threat wise
Despite having significantly lower offense
pastel sleet
focusing the DOS trinket.... 2% chance of getting it for completing the dungeon.....
sick sentinel
somebody told me early on ravager for rage and it seems to work
chilly brook
formal river
Blood boil is nice
void moat
Use your intution. Paying attention to what's in the pull, if it's mostly attacking you via Meele, then jsut pump a shield block. If it's casting mostly then Ignore pain @lethal arrow
chilly brook
Like I said something is broke somewhere
compact stump
tricks of the trade and misdirection are required from those 2 classes. them not properly usin those abilities before going nuts instantly on a new pull is the only real time I experience threat issues... and even then, it's temporary.
void moat
it's gonna come down to learning and experimenting
deft vessel
my impression is entirely anecdotal, I haven't touched blood dk this expansion so far so don't have any personal experience, I just know that threat hasn't been too bad for me on my prot war
chilly brook
Because the math doesnt add up
sick sentinel
storm bolt or 2 charge in m+?
chilly brook
When you're doing 6k dps and someone at 8k is ripping
formal river
The only encounter in the raid where it showed was the dance pull. But that was most likely due to dumb dps
lethal arrow
threatyeah i think i am good on when to use but it like i have to take revenge off my bar so i can keep my rage going
deft vessel
I still use double charge..... I like it too much 😦
void moat
@lethal arrow generally tho you want to keep shield block more often if there' stuff meele'ing you cause pound for pound it mitigates more damage
compact stump
tanks do 5x threat for damage as dps classes (buffed to 5.5)
chilly brook
Way too much stuff to interrupt
deft vessel
I may just start running that for uptime on shockwave
formal river
Shush it's amazing and my baby
sick sentinel
okay cool
deft vessel
but double chargeeeee thooooooo
void moat
I'd still keep Revenge. Just gotta practice using it to dump when you're maxed on rage. Plus it's VERY good for keeping agro in huge groups @lethal arrow
deft vessel
rip my baseline mobility ;-;
chilly brook
Stormbolt is objectively better than a shorter CD on Shockwave
lethal arrow
yeah i know im just whining lol
void moat
hahahah
chilly brook
Being able to have an extra interrupt is invaluable
void moat
it's okay it's a habit I still have too
I just push it too often
I wouldn't agree with it being objectively always better. I sometimes run in major meele stacks of DPS
chilly brook
The more things they put in that need to be interrupted the more this is true
deft vessel
at the end of the day resource and cooldown management is at the core of prot warrior's effectiveness
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lethal arrow
my group is like ok good the warlock just passed the tank lol
void moat
and having better shockwave is way more useful bc of the way it times together
chilly brook
I wouldn't agree with it being objectively always better. I sometimes run in maj...
Wat
compact stump
i have 3 weakauras that help me with that.... 1 that tracks uptime of shield block, one that tracks uptime of ignore pain (and it's current absorb amount)... and a third that tracks Rage capping if a demo shout will put me over 100 rage
lethal arrow
i dont use weakauras
chilly brook
Stuns are used to stop casts mostly in m+
compact stump
procs and or avoiding rage capping is pretty much the only time i use revenge
void moat
I'm just saying the individual interrupt isn't always the benefit if you have plenty of other tools coming from your other players
sick sentinel
i just want to get my 203 item, nice shield or weapon or trinket or helmet plz
formal river
@lethal arrow lookup Preach's UI videos.
It's super easy to setup
And gives you all the auras you need
void moat
I think there' something to be said about the compositions you end up in. Not making it objetively the best option in every situation
chilly brook
There's no situation where shockwave is better than having an extra priority stun.
compact stump
not using weakauras is a handicap imo... you can do fine with it, but they are so damn useful
formal river
I like shockwave better. Stunning a whole pack more is juicy
void moat
I mean when things go high into the Diminishing return it doesn't help
compact stump
can seem complicated at first, and especially to make your own... but with all things, once you get the hang of it it's so good
formal river
Use preaches video. Its idiotproof
void moat
for instance I run with a shaman and a warlock pretty often (my friends) and we layered our Aoe stuns perfectly
chilly brook
You contribute to said DR by shockwaving
void moat
having the stun doesn't help us
deft vessel
to me it literally comes down to priority stun vs. mobility, I don't consider the shockwave one much, though it may have some usefulness in niche situations, it's just that the priority stun may be the most reliable and have widest use case
chilly brook
And shockwave is much worse in a DR situation because its already a super short stun
compact stump
i like shockwave for certain dungeon pulls. high key wisp dragon fuckers in Spires for example, very useful
void moat
@chilly brook my point is more about how it's just composition dependent. With Shaman stun, Lock stun into my shockwave. There's no room for my single target stun to work
formal river
Gives me a lot more options when everything is casting at once
deft vessel
and besides, I'm a highmountain tauren, I have an extra stun anyway if really necessary (or an extra kiting tool)
chilly brook
And again there are so many super important casts that storm bolt 100% is the move
void moat
@chilly brook i'm not saying you're wrong. Just that there's more to the story
formal river
Even a .75 shockwave stun gives me time to make distance.
And multiple I interrupts
deft vessel
yeah, but you have shockwave by default
chilly brook
Having more control>less control but more often
deft vessel
that's the thing
formal river
I can get the CD quite low eith the conduit
deft vessel
you don't have storm bolt by default
void moat
Yes but as I just described, the comp stuns the mob anyway
deft vessel
so you're genuinely gaining an extra crowd control
compact stump
imo storm bolt > shockwave most of the time. I think there are niche circumstances that swapping could be best.
deft vessel
be like me, run double charge
chilly brook
imo storm bolt > shockwave *most of the time*. I think there are niche circumsta...
Like what
formal river
To each his own. I like rumbling earth plus the conduit
compact stump
like the one i mentioned literally right before that one
formal river
Can have it up every pack
compact stump
i like shockwave for certain dungeon pulls. high key wisp dragon fuckers in Spir...
this one
chilly brook
You'd literally take double time over rumbling earth if you dont need storm bolt
void moat
I mean just looking at the top Mythic+'s on my server there's people running between both in the talents. I'm just saying thinking of things as always the best doesn't leave room for adapting and critically thinking about your comps and what suits your play comfortably
yes you are correct tho
having that extra stun is very very handy
void moat
but in a coordinated group, it's just another CC lost in the DR
still pagoda
compact stump
long convo short, both have their uses and going with either won't necessarily cripple you... time and experience will tell you what you wanna run when, based on playstyle and understanding
chilly brook
Arguments from authority dont mean much
void moat
Exactly Kade
still pagoda
Arguments from authority dont mean much
they mean nothing, you wanted to say?
chilly brook
Basically
void moat
I'm not appealing to authority, Just that there are people succeeding with both
lethal arrow
i dont why people cant rapid cc iots just communication it should nt slow anything
void moat
is the data
chilly brook
You can succeed in the same keys without covenants
lethal arrow
in mythics anyways
chilly brook
Why would you though
compact stump
there's a big difference in pugging and running with guildies though that might also play a major part to people talent preference
chilly brook
Just because you can run something less optimal doesnt mean you should
compact stump
shockwave has better carry potential if your group sucks
deft vessel
unrelated (ish) - what interrupt trackers do you lot use nowadays, the one I used in BfA broke and I can't find any that I like
void moat
I would say certainly in pugging Griff's right. Having that extra hammer is probably very huge
since most pugs aren't gonna coordinated layered CC properly
craggy harness
hmm, park it for another 2 hours.
chilly brook
shockwave has better carry potential if your group sucks
No because you still have shockwave baseline and priority kicks are much more important which means having potentially 4 interrupts instead of 3 is much more important
compact stump
100% agree, just an option to consider if you're about that #PugLife
chilly brook
Pug life makes storm bolt even more important
compact stump
it's easy, requires zero coordination from the others, no reliance upon your teammates
compact stump
we're boiling down to playstyle again though
chilly brook
The CD of shockwave is already pretty low
void moat
I agree. It comes to suiting your peers
chilly brook
The reduction from rumbling earth isn't that amazing
void moat
As I said, in my friend groups i run with it jsut rounded out the Cd better for each pack pull
that's why I use it
chilly brook
This isn't really a playstyle thing
void moat
That is tho. it's a composition and playstyle
dense spade
Just getting into Shadowlands now. Been playing a prot warrior for about 10 years now and I've been hearing a lot of mixed things in regards to their performance right now. I'd like to play prot warrior for Shadowlands but most people are telling me any other tank is better currently. Is there any truth to this?
vocal bison
I haven't heard a good Itf argument over ravager, why was that streamer saying that? I could see for single target dps and CE raiding maybe for better SB reduction?
compact stump
i like UF over ravager for when i'm blasting easy content to help guildies
that's about it
chilly brook
but I can't use hammer because everything goes into DR 3
If stormbolt is 100% ineffective in said situation then a lower CD on shockwave is even less useful
void moat
@dense spade I'd say play to your strengths. Know what they are and play them to a razor edge. Sharpen it. It is genuenly still good. I've seen plenty of tanks performing high keys well. Numbers don't tell a full story. It's just a meta thing. If a tank is 2% better they will tell you the other one is garbage. Do what feels comfortable to you and do it well and you'll be okay!
chilly brook
DR makes shockwave less useful than Stormbolt by far
formal river
@chilly brook it's a playstyle thing. You cant spreadsheet everything lol. I like rumbling earth more with the conduit
There isnt an objectively correct thing a week in and that's fine
chilly brook
This isn't something new.....
formal river
Everyone who days different is trying to sell you something
compact stump
there's rarely an objectively correct pathway for things like this
people just get lost in their own sauce
chilly brook
We've had this since they removed rumbling earth from shockwave
It's almost never been the pick over storm bolt
This expansion wont change that
void moat
If stormbolt is 100% ineffective in said situation then a lower CD on shockwave ...
As I said, It works in my groups because we're very good at gethring things and making sure to stun in a rotaiton properly where those priority casts are interrupted in the fray. My point in all of this is simply to understand what the talents offer you. I use it bc it cycles through packs we pull better so it's available again in time for our cycles. That's it. You are not wrong.
formal river
Ii counter with I like it more than stormbolt and it works better for me
dense spade
@void moat Thanks, even though I already figured that was the case I think I needed to hear that. Another thing I'm seeing is Devastator is the recommended talent for first tier. As somebody that hates replacing an active ability (devastate) with a passive (devastator) Would I be shooting myself in the foot taking punish instead for a more active, higher APM playstyle?
formal river
Dont know why you are trying so hard to be correct. There is no correct here. People play differently
honest plinth
storm bolt is bis btw
deft vessel
i like UF over ravager for when i'm blasting easy content to help guildies
This has been my experience. In easier content I feel comfortable running Anger Management with Unstoppable Force, but in higher keys I tend to run Bolster and Ravager, Ravager allows more control over threat and in general more gradual threat generation available for more packs, compared to a burst from Avatar. Avatar also feels less impactful without the azerite trait that popped a free IP with it (and extra mstery). In short - bolster + ravager leads to more consistent performance in higher keys in my experience.
chilly brook
I dont see how this is an argument
sweet summit
storm bolt is objectively better for m+
dense pivot
not meta among 0.1% => unplayable shit, regardless of actual reasons 0.1% plays something and applicability of this reasons to your situation 🙂
chilly brook
This has been common for the last few years
compact stump
<@!116678543894642689> Thanks, even though I already figured that was the case I...
it feels like more APM because you're mashing more buttons. Devastator is fantastic, and you need the SS procs.
chilly brook
Stormbolt is objectively better lmao
formal river
I'm not making it one. Lol. I say I like something better and you tell me I should like it better.
Just a weird convo
deft vessel
it's..not?
dense pivot
ZUGZUG
deft vessel
haste --> versa --> crit = mastery
glacial ivy
atleast thats what icy veins say
sweet summit
damage and parry
altho vers and crit is basically equal after item level and haste
formal river
Vers helps with the bleeds/magic a lot
dense pivot
I guess it's good dps stat? compaed to vers
void moat
@dense spade I don't think you would be shooting yourself in the foot. Just look to understand what makes the talents strong and where. For instance Punish doesn't help very much in AoE packs that come very often in Mythic plus etc. But ravager does some incredible things in packs and is worth picking up. Been seeing it in high keys a lot. Just get out there and experiment. Numbers don't tell the full story is always what I try to tell people.
formal river
If only revenge wasnt ppm
deft vessel
all the stats are roughly okay in my experience, versa covers more gaps in the spec than crit/mastery does I feel like, haste is always king cus shield block uptime, the rest are fine
glacial ivy
and what guys would you run for m+ unstoppable force and anger managment
void moat
@dense spade I will say tho in devistator I do find myself not castin ganything on some GCDs
glacial ivy
or ravager and bolster
formal river
I'm liking vers more because SB helps so much withvphys anyway
deft vessel
on high keys ravager and bolster, low keys uf and anger management
compact stump
and what guys would you run for m+ unstoppable force and anger managment
rav and bolster are top for defensive builds
honest plinth
or ravager and bolster
this
formal river
Its other shit that kills me
sweet summit
ive been running itf lol
dense spade
Absolutely. I just hate empty GCDs lol. Devastate spam as a filler just FEELS better. I feel like I should be doing something when everything is on cd. Maybe I'll put ss on my old devastate hotkey and spam that instead to try and trick myself
glacial ivy
wondering what should be best with thunder lord
compact stump
UF and AM are tons of fun blasting easy content though, especially if you have Thunderlord
chilly brook
on high keys ravager and bolster, low keys uf and anger management
UF is worse even in low keys than ravager
modern brook
Erga ur such a hipster smh
void moat
OH ME TOO it feels weird NOT to push buttons. But it is defnitely something WORTH learning is what I'd say @dense spade
dense pivot
put a macro there that uses random toy
deft vessel
both work with thunderlord, just make sure you run booming voice if running thunderlord and you're good
vocal bison
<@!232118044111929346> I will say tho in devistator I do find myself not castin ...
I personally am terrible about fitting devastate in, I look at it as the few times i'm not gcd locked when I'm running devesator i would actually use devastate, and so with it being that few and far between it just doesn't seem worth it.
sweet summit
Erga ur such a hipster smh
sense did it first, im just a copycat :)
modern brook
i tried it
chilly brook
Erga ur such a hipster smh
If Rosjen was here he wouldn't put up with this hipster crap
modern brook
Its probably better? IDK
deft vessel
UF is worse even in low keys than ravager
hm, fair, didn't consider too much, I definitely feel like UF just works better if you're running anger management, since you wouldn't need bolster on low keys, UF seems like a more natural choice
modern brook
listen man
void moat
I personally am terrible about fitting devastate in, I look at it as the few tim...
It's whatever feels comfortable to you but it is very worth. In times where we bloodlust i'm getting shield slam literally every other GCD bc of how fast i'm attacking for instnace. It's quite good if you're okay with not always having something not to cast
modern brook
Im just happy ravager is usable now
sweet summit
the small increase in SB feels good, altho i do miss ravager
modern brook
I personally am terrible about fitting devastate in, I look at it as the few tim...
you dont "fit" devestate in
deft vessel
and I was super against devastator at start, been using it for a bit, it's pretty comfy
modern brook
Talent Devestator literally replaces your nothing move with a literal passive
deft vessel
I don't mind manually casting it either
chilly brook
Casting devastate is ass
vocal bison
Talent Devestator literally replaces your nothing move with a literal passive
i don't think you read what you thought you read
compact stump
i very much like it. one less thing i have to concern at all with
vocal bison
i'm saying it sucks trying to remember to use the active, so i use the passive
void moat
Yeah like Kade said. I have SO MUCH other stuff to worry about that taking it off entirely is very nice
void moat
I will say Punish rocks on stuff like Sludgefist tho
modern brook
Punish is 😴
compact stump
tbh, early in the xpac I found myself still mashing my devastator keybind subconciously
deft vessel
I definitely mash devastate (while using devastator) an unreasonable amount of time
void moat
that % reduction adds up pretty hard throughout the fight when it's tight
chilly brook
You're best off just swapping with your cotank depending on what you have up assuming they're not a blood DK
arctic snow
is it just me, but i feel like stacking haste is wrong? i feel like having well-rounded stats (and just going for highest ilvl items) is the move
deft vessel
doesn't devastator + the wall lead to more shield slams on average --> more shield wall?
sweet summit
yep
void moat
if you can always have it at one stack that's like 100k less damage you're taking in the fight almost
deft vessel
it's not at all wrong, haste is best, you want as high as you can for as high uptime on shield block as you can
shield block is your lifeline
chilly brook
But you could just "reduce" sludge damage even more by swapping based on who has stuff available on him
arctic snow
i mean its the best stat - but i feel like ilvl is supreme... whether the item has crit or mastery, etc.
dense spade
I've just always been opposed to the idea that a talent making an active ability into passive while making it stronger. Same issue with demon blades or whatever on havoc. It just feels bad. More buttons should = more better imo. That and empty globals feel poopy.
chilly brook
I.e. hold him with shield block then when you have nothing the DH takes him with spikes, meta, brand then you take him back etc.
compact stump
it's just a HUGE change from BFA
modern brook
i mean its the best stat - but i feel like ilvl is supreme... whether the item h...
you feel this way cause thats whats been advocated since early bfa
modern brook
Ilvl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>haste >verse>=crit
compact stump
empty globals do happen / are ok if you're doing everything right
modern brook
I added many > this time so maybe we can stop saying it :^(
chilly brook
And you're also losing out on a significant rage gain by not running devastator which you're not factoring in to your 100k figure
void moat
That's fair Griff
chilly brook
Because 100k isn't too difficult to hit with IP if you have the rage
compact stump
.333, repeating of course 🤓
dense spade
Just going to be an adjustment I suppose. Warrior has been gcd capped for as long as I can remember. Feels weird just breathing for a second without jack hammering my devastate key.
deft vessel
chilly brook
2 stacks for me of IP is like 16kish
arctic snow
i just hate that wow always give me slight ilvl upgrades that has crit/mastery, and its like fuck... the item i currently have has haste/verse
formal river
I prefer having time to breath and assess
modern brook
ilvl is ilvl
void moat
I mean it's worth noting that it's not like those stats are useless
deft vessel
Just going to be an adjustment I suppose. Warrior has been gcd capped for as lon...
I had the same sort of feeling at the start, gave it a try, I see the merits
modern brook
grats on the upgrade
neat root
How do you deal with that last mini boss right before the last boss in HoA. Without hero to just nuke him down before he heals it takes forever to kill all his adds. Im sure there is some simple obvious thing I'm missing and I'm gonna feel like a smooth brain when you tell me but so far that mob has ruined a couple timed keys.
chilly brook
I think a lot of people approach sludge wrong tbf
compact stump
just that 1 less button needing pressed gives me tons of more ability to focus on the fight and shot call shit
void moat
so it's not like you're getting nothing. but having raw health and str goes a longer way
modern brook
keep a thick haste verse ring and smile
chilly brook
And assume they just slap the most sturdy tank on him
void moat
@neat root which miniboss?
chilly brook
Instead of using the tools and the uptime of said tools as the swap mechanic
void moat
@neat root OH YOU mean those 3 angels before Devos?
neat root
No in HoA
modern brook
How do you deal with that last mini boss right before the last boss in HoA. With...
lust and nuke him down is probably going to be at least the fort strat, so adjust your lust timings accordingly
arctic snow
i will say the pvp trinket with haste and passive strength seems broken OP
modern brook
else its probably faster to aoe the spirits down first
void moat
OH my god yeah you mean halls of attonement. My brain went halls of ascension lmao
chilly brook
But then again people riding blood dk so hard so it's not like you're gonna make your blood dk tank sludge over a paladin
compact stump
SERVERS AREN'T UP YET, THEY'RE LATE. TIME TO FUCKING REVOLT. Or maybe go make a snack... get some water... go outside? Nah, snack and some water.
void moat
yeah we just go turbo mode with lust and carry lust into boss on that @neat root
Chamberlin is a pushover
turbid cargo
shit, means I have to actually work for another 2 hours
fierce tendon
I save lust for that room, I like a druid to Starfall
Literally annihilated that room
deft vessel
I can't remember what mini boss you even mean
void moat
yeah comps do play a role in that too. Some AOE heavy groups can just cleave down everything hyper fast
fierce tendon
One with adds before last boss, whole room
neat root
Yeah last boss is np. It's that guy before him that's fucks everything up. Gotta make sure I fill that last dps slot with lust then or bring shitty drums
deft vessel
oh where he drains them?
fierce tendon
Ye
void moat
yeah tha tone
deft vessel
ah ye
void moat
I like to instruct my DPs to save their heavy DPS CDs for him and lust and burn him
just BLOW him up
should work well this week since it's not fortified
deft vessel
can you kill him before his first drain? I'm not entirely sure if the drain is timed or percentage based
or do you always need to kill the neutral mobs before you kill him?
fierce tendon
You can but not really in higher keys
void moat
have to start after his first drain
arctic snow
anyone else prioritizing the 184 pvp trinket with haste and strength passive?
void moat
You can do it in higher keys
vocal bison
i have never tried - but can you just kill the adds before him so he has nothing to drain?
fierce tendon
dps check is pretty high no?
coral marsh
guys im thinking about switching from venth to kyrian and just main tank again
if i switch now before the reset
compact stump
i love kyrian. spear go brrrrr
void moat
Sure! if that feels comfortable!
coral marsh
will it go through tomorrow?
fierce tendon
I also didn't know you had to do after the 2nd channel, will try that next time to save time
void moat
Man sometimes I wish I could use two monitors for WoW
so I could put other stuff on the 2nd window
shut summit
it doesnt
void moat
I haven't tried it. It seems scary since if you bladestorm you could get rekt in that window
shut summit
you can block and stuff during bladestorm
sturdy trench
why doesnt it work as ravager tho
jagged pier
I haven't tried it. It seems scary since if you bladestorm you could get rekt in...
you can block during it
void moat
It's the lack of being able to do everything else tho that's scary
shut summit
can use demo / block / ip etc iirc
jagged pier
why doesnt it work as ravager tho
different spell id, is the general consensus
fierce tendon
all your shouts and drs you can use
sturdy trench
but it works as arms/fury
jagged pier
but lets be fair 3secs of BS or 3 secs of Reck is just for the memes
modern brook
but it works as arms/fury
yeah ok
void moat
Yes but I can't stun, I can't pummel, I can't leap etc.
deft vessel
there's genuinely better legendaries than the signet
chilly brook
@shut summit you running itf in keys?
shut summit
that or rav
deft vessel
when you can use only one, there's no reason not to use the wall, thunderlord or some of the utility ones
void moat
that's a thought
chilly brook
When would you swap off ravager
deft vessel
if running anger management 😛
void moat
Remind me again which spells you can get off the signet
sturdy trench
the thing is if i want to have signet for dps and then do tanking, i would expect for ravager to proc it the same way it procs for arms
modern brook
Yeah; ok.
sturdy trench
like thats a claer bug for me
modern brook
YEah it is
deft vessel
report as bug, see if it gets fixed
I still wouldn't use signet over some of the other options right now
sturdy trench
why hasnt any1 reported it 3 weeks into the expansion then
ionic fern
People have.
shut summit
it worked on beta, got changed to not work, it was reported and nothing has changed
open monolith
Friendly reminder for when servers come up... Do your weekly quest for 213 heroic nathria gear BEFORE opening the vault :)
deft vessel
if it's indeed bugged then people most likely have
fierce tendon
Blizz takes a while lol
gritty halo
Why Sock?
void moat
huh?
sturdy trench
lol blizz just literally shits on warrirors then
modern brook
so you dont take teh same slot
fierce tendon
oh shit yeah
sturdy trench
eveyrhting sucks or isnt working
open monolith
Otherwise you might pick something from the vault that then gets replaced by the 213 immediately
If you get the 213 first, you can pick something else
deft vessel
it's literally not been that bad, stop dramatizing Theorodrem
void moat
which weekly quest again?
is that the maw quest?
I forget which one you're refering to
open monolith
4 weekly mythic dungeons
void moat
OH
open monolith
It's mythic dungeon week
void moat
is that a thing?
deft vessel
ah it's mythic dungeon week
void moat
Is that even in shadowlands?
open monolith
Yes
deft vessel
I wasn't paying attention to what it is this week, I just know the week that ends now is battlegrounds
formal river
Didnt even know about that
void moat
but sock does have a major point. Be sure to check your other sources of loot first
formal river
Is that an oribos thing @open monolith
void moat
Does opening the vault cause you to have to pick an item immediately?
open monolith
I.... Don't remember where you pick up the quest
void moat
or can you open it and walk away
formal river
Time to google.
open monolith
It's usually the major city of each expac
teal kettle
Does it matter what piece u craft your legendary on? 🙂
teal kettle
@open monolith what piece should I craft? 😮
fierce tendon
In oribis from the same guys who give the weekly pvp quest pretty sure
open monolith
Which legendary?
modern brook
P sure u just grab it from dungeon journal @formal river