Do you have some helpful macros that noob can use?
#protection
mossy sedge
I had a long break from wow (left in WoD) comeback at end of BfA but decided to tank again at SL release
dusky mica
The only macro you really need is probably the charge intervene macro.
in BFA, prot's charge and intervene was the same button and had 2 charges.
In this expac we're back to 1 charge, 1 intervene. 2 abilities.
So maybe grab that macro from a forum or something
mossy sedge
Ok thanks
dusky mica
I think it's something like this
#show Charge
/cast Execute
/cast [@mouseover,help] Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,harm] [] Charge
timber lagoon
haste mastery for leggos right?
timber lagoon
word word thanks
tranquil copper
is signet glitched for prot where our ravager doesn't proc it?
fringe marten
The..ring?
shut summit
it doesn't work for prot ravager
lusty grotto
is signet glitched for prot where our ravager doesn't proc it?
it only works with avatar iirc
tranquil copper
or wrist yeah
shut summit
^ only avatar
tranquil copper
unfortunate
fringe marten
That feel when...you're browsing the AH for cool xmogs you don't have.. and the guy who owns the AH comes back from afk, and unsummons his mount.. /cry
Have a lot of guilds gotten through heroic sludge, and cleared the instance?
Anyone here pretty familiar with plater ?
crisp pecan
https://www.wowhead.com/news=319899/shadowlands-tank-rankings-best-tanks-for-mythic-season-1?webhook after dps specs humiliation, here we go prot as well
lavish oracle
Pretty sure prot is underrated
Def better than blood, prolly better than pally in high keys
fringe marten
You know who the best tank is? The guy with the Owl Bro following him around in Torghast..providing 30% run speed and 700 mastery~~ (the steward anima powers in torghast are awesome LOL)
lavish oracle
Pally is probably good for just crushing weekly 15s though
We're probably like on par with monk, though
civic rover
nah if prot pally damage doesn't get nerfed they could easily be one of the top tanks
super consistent mitigation and ridiculous damage
civic rover
i mean what do you mean by high
lavish oracle
Like, if we look at world first level keys in 2 months or so
civic rover
if you're talking bleeding edge, it's still way too early to know, but if you're talking something similar to like what 20-25s were in bfa season 4, prot paladin will destroy those
ah ok that makes more sense
for like world first keys it could easily be VDH just because they're kiting kings
and these dungeons are pretty melee unfriendly
but it could be monk or bear too because of sheer sturdiness
all the tanks are good af so it's hard to tell
lavish oracle
I have a hunch we'll see some big bears
tulip plover
Literally, with its paws
lavish oracle
Like for bleeding edge keys, survivability is looking like the big chokepoint atm
And bear is tanky af
But who knows, maybe we'll just be unkillable in 226 gear and damage will be in high demand
sweet summit
Huh
chilly brook
@civic rover I feel for you
Must be better at fighting off the sleepy bear than I am
😛
@lavish oracle as sad as it is I'm considering playing monk just because of how hard everything hits rn
they also kinda pipe
but literally anything would be better than playing this bunk DK
narrow ivy
@lavish oracle I'm hoping that once we get kitted out with the good stuff we'll be built like brick shithouses again but right now I can't even get into +10 keys
lavish oracle
@chilly brook The way I hear it, monks are getting clapped just as hard atm
Better kite tools on monk, I guess
Worse snap threat
If you really wanna take no damage, word on the street is bear is the way to go
narrow ivy
Pandaren are already bears and I get fucked
lavish oracle
Lel
potent patrol
Hello ! when I am not tanking anything, do i still keep maximum uptime on shield block for increased shield slam damage or do i keep the shield block charges for when i take back the boss ?
narrow ivy
Keep at least one
mellow patio
If you aren’t tanking do not spend rage on SB
lavish oracle
Depends on the content/talent choice probably
potent patrol
okay
if i know i will not take back the boss soon is shield block a better rage dump than revenge ?
lavish oracle
Hard to say, probably not
I think mostly you just hit revenge but I don't have any numbers to back that up
Maybe there's a world where you hit SB when you're running punish and ITF?
narrow ivy
I use SB in time with Avatar and Booming Voice/Demoralizing but
I'm also bad at the game
potent patrol
isn't devastator always the better talent ?
i'm talking only about raid btw
no mm+
fallow mortar
m+ or raid, you take devastator
young glen
open monolith
🙂 got the weapon token from daddy denathrius
open monolith
I killed Denathrius....
but I haven't killed darkvein
or council
or sludgefist
or generals
lole.
where do I Turn in this weapon token?
kyrian town?
jagged pier
kyrain town i think, im still yet to get a wep from raid 😦
fringe marten
I've done a ton of M+ through 10's, cleared normal raid, I'm 7/10 heroic.... I'm using a 184 axe I got from ? mists of tirna scithe or whatever..on week 1 of M0's.
...LOL..hit final boss of skoldus hall for over 1 million damage with Scratched Knife.
330k hit, 740k overkill.
maiden ravine
😄 Group got mad cause I pulled big with a stoneborn right after they used CDs. Well... tanks aren't gonna wanna pull 2 packs of dogs at once time
lavish oracle
@open monolith in the covenant hall on one of the side wings
the one opposite the trials of ascension
idgaf about my weapon at the moment
I just want a shield
maiden ravine
I did a 7 halls, timed it, was a little squishier than I cared for at 181 ilvl, but only key I did all week on warrior
nimble drift
How many mobs do yall usually pull at a time
I can life for like 25-30s 100%, but if I pull 2 packs and my dps is bad the pulls will go super long and I'll end up with no more cds or shit to live with
maiden ravine
of the dogs in Halls, 1 pack at a time
if I have a stoneborn, I'll try to pull 2 or 3
ionic fern
@nimble drift too broad of a question. What key level? What dungeon?
Too many variables.
ebon hound
Like you said Prince, that depends a lot on the strength of your group, not just you
nimble drift
Idk
I watch videos
people do double pulls or big pulls with prot warrior and AOE it down in 15s
but I recruit only, like, 193s for my +8s and they can't kill a pack before 30s
ionic fern
Ilvl doesnt mean anything.
It's rng drops which don't show if you know your class or not
ebon hound
I guess the only thing you really can do is make sure they have their cooldowns ready before you go into a big pull
nimble drift
is there something to track my dps cds?
sullen valve
UwU mwahi is a cutie
honest plinth
I did like 6 keys with same pugs yday. And we timed 5. 10s-12s. Idk. God bless these people.
nimble drift
I wish i recorded the key I just did
I'm using SB off cd, had 5x the interrupts, NOT KICKS, interrupts, because Im using my entire kit to kick shit
First death is to the ads that tenderize at the end of NW
and monk goes "jesus prot warr is shit"
then leaves
legit running bolster, using health pots, consuming for a +8, 192ilvl
Every healer I've had tells me that warrior just seems to get hit 100x harder than everything else
so aids
solid gulch
New high keys meta: swap Thunderlord for Leaper and use it to kite everything
sweet summit
👀
slim oriole
You need to build some agro before kiting
nimble drift
aggro isn't an issue
slim oriole
It is, in fact
nimble drift
okay not for anything that im doing
slim oriole
What's your group DPS?
compact tulip
Depends on his group comp if tricks/MD. Tbf though, two stacks of tenderise and you should be kiting, that shit fucking wrecks any tank not just warriors
slim oriole
Every healer I've had tells me that warrior just seems to get hit 100x harder th...
Surprisingly I have monk that tells me I'm much more comfortable to heal than their pala
Maybe their pala is bad tho, I don't knokw
compact tulip
But it is just the DPS in your group though. Doing m+ with guildies myself, that have lower DPS is pretty painful in terms of survival compared to having 2 hunters for example and things just melt
ionic fern
Depends on his group comp if tricks/MD. Tbf though, two stacks of tenderise and ...
You can't kite it tho since it slaps Tenderise on the nearest target then.
Best bet is to save the relics from downstairs if you have a Kyrian and use them there.
compact tulip
True, but I've found that pets and melee can take one stack until they've dropped, but I guess the higher you go, that won't be an option
compact tulip
Lmao
ionic fern
In cordinated groups it won't be a issue probably since you can use defensives etc.
I mean, DPS'ers can use defensives and soak.
But in a PuG you're out of luck since chances are they don't know what's going on.
👀
prime edge
So does anyone have tips for m+ 10 and up? I feel like i melt or get deleted sometimes.
compact tulip
Yep, I think saving weapons from down is probably the best shout for those
prime edge
Do you guys kite a lot? I try to use the Kyrian Spear and kite away, some packs are fine but i find myself running from a lot of pack to.
nimble drift
Idk thinking I may just reroll a dps
Just like, this tanking meta of having to kite every pack is super frustrating
sweet summit
Yes you have to kite
dark lark
Just reroll bear
sweet summit
prime edge
its the only thing i feel like do.
I charge in, clap once or twice with defensives and then i run around hiding
nimble drift
yeah but if im not in
I can't kick
and the dps never kick
and people just die to shit
prime edge
@nimble drift i sometimes do charge in and kick and leap out.
I guess i just got to used to the BFA tanking on my warrior in this is a small difference now from the ^^
fringe marten
In plater I can't seem to get my Enemy HP bars to get off of 'copy personal' ? it's very weird. I change it..it changes in the menu, then goes back to copy personal.
nimble drift
If anyone has vids of high keys they're doing i'd appreciate to see
trying to do this shit in time, I need to see the playstyle vs my playstyle
jagged pier
only have vids of my raid kills, but also havent run keys, will be doing some tonight though
but sense will probably have uploaded some
lavish oracle
Pretty sure warrior actually doesn't get hit harder than the other tanks
but the only point of reference I have so far this xpac is paladin and they always get hit hard
@nimble drift Lightee did keys on warrior for like 14 hours the other day
14s, mostly
His talent setup was a little weird but like, it's lightee
Like all tanks are getting hit hard at the moment, but community perception of warrior is in the shitter so people see a warrior getting hit hard and think "Oh, it's because warrior is shit" even if the warrior is taking less EHPS to keep up
Happened last xpac too even though warrior was like objectively the best tank against physical damage
eager lodge
@nimble drift sense has all his keys up on youtub now as well
maiden ravine
Best bet is to save the relics from downstairs if you have a Kyrian and use them...
The weapons don't require Kyrian in group to use. Kyrians just activate goliaths as their wake dungeon perk
jagged pier
The weapons don't require Kyrian in group to use. Kyrians just activate goliaths...
but thats not working atm, sort of
lavish oracle
how do you mean?
jagged pier
cant open the swolking menu for me just wont open in m+
lavish oracle
Yeah, pretty sure there's an addon messing with it
Dratnos had it happening earlier
Angry Keys maybe?
Or Little Wigs?
sick sentinel
No idea
lavish oracle
had an "automatically choose gossip dialogue" in options, iirc
something along those lines
sick sentinel
Some addons stop me from using quest items
lavish oracle
that he had to disable
sick sentinel
Randomly
lavish oracle
I'll see if I can find Dratnos fixing the issue, it was at a random ass point in his stream so I probably won't be able to find it though
jagged pier
dont worry about it ill have a look later when im not working
lavish oracle
👍
restive flax
our cartoon sword has a santa hat now
jagged pier
its better
restive flax
because you see less of it?
jagged pier
yes
amber sedge
Maybe I'm an idiot but I'm not sure how to use statistics on Warcraft logs to see stuff other than DPS, HPS, or kill speed.
brave jetty
Any classes we have particular synergy with in M+ that are worth knowing?
jagged pier
what you mean Bat what sort of synergy you looking for?
brave jetty
I set up a lot of PUGs and am trying to improve my comp construction a bit beyond "hey we need bloodlust and maybe some reliable interrupts besides me"
jagged pier
one melees always good or a shammy for short inturrpts
rogues got shroud
bloodlust is good
CR is good to have
nimble drift
<@117758787636428802> sense has all his keys up on youtub now as well
who is that and whats his channel. i looked it up but can't find it
sweet summit
Sense is the god
dense vessel
You want something to remove enrages too
jagged pier
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeCzc4cLBfj_VxtgF31n-hA @nimble drift
nimble drift
ty
brave jetty
that's just hunters/druids, right?
sweet summit
And rogues
dense vessel
rogues too with shiv
brave jetty
oh dang how long has that been a thing
sweet summit
Since sl prepatch i think
jagged pier
^^
slim oriole
Any classes we have particular synergy with in M+ that are worth knowing?
Disc heals you pretty well and provides more DR in addition to yours. Can help kiting with his shining force and feathers. So basically enhances your typical tanking model.
sharp void
yea with the morphin poison
jagged pier
Disc heals you pretty well and provides more DR in addition to yours. Can help k...
if they are a good disc which is rare
in the pug world
slim oriole
if they are a good disc which is rare
Good prots are also rare
brave jetty
i'll be honest i don't trust PUG disc whatsoever
slim oriole
Then I don't see any sense in question, guy's looking for combinations in PuG... Why?
You get what you get, not what you want
jagged pier
well if you make the group, you get what you want tbh its your choice
slim oriole
If you meet a good disc, it would make good combo, better than others
brave jetty
Well, no, I have control over the classes that get in
and usually have my pick of DPS, at the very least
I take your point though
slim oriole
If you experience trouble with agro, pick hunters or rogues. But that's obvious.
brave jetty
nah not usually trouble w/aggro
slim oriole
Can't really imagine some hidden gem combos, it's not DotA.
brave jetty
just trying to find if people factor in something that I wasn't thinking of
slim oriole
Try not to pick many AoE stuns also.
As you already have one, and it has tendency to mitigate.
Priests with their fear in addition to yours would fit just fine
One more point to disc -.-
lavish oracle
I've always felt druids suited warrior a little more
Strong healing over time for a tank who's whole thing is damage smoothing
And then barkskin gives us an extra CD to fill our mitigation gaps
magic sage
Prot not benefitting from double proc on signet is an oversight. Parity on usefulness must be restored between the three specs. Include the Prot Ravager ID into the legendary effect.
ionic fern
hey guys what talents do you play with during m+?
Devastator/Indom/Ravager/Bolster in general.
slim oriole
hey guys what talents do you play with during m+?
3321233
onyx matrix
gotcha, thanks guys ^^
pliant narwhal
so we are the worst tanks and dd´s now:(?
ionic fern
Huh?
jagged pier
eh?
pliant narwhal
prot warrior deals the lowest amount of damage in the new raid. but they are also the most squishy ones according to wowheads mplus rating
ionic fern
👀
jagged pier
ionic fern
ANother tier list?
small venture
I don t know, but i have hard Times with lots of pulls in mythic.
There are often 3/4 mobs, bit spread, i try to keep them all, but It a dps start unleash havoc on one, it's hard keep them all
Tanking with a warrior is nightmarish 😩
ionic fern
Not really.
jagged pier
nope its not
pliant narwhal
the damage in the raid - dk gets a buff tomorrow
ionic fern
When i'm playing with pug's i'm constantly keeping up with the DPS'ers. 👀
Warrior tuning soon. ™️
jagged pier
same, you do know though logs are from like 300 data points instead of thousands like other tanks
so its less accurate
ionic fern
There is always class tuning going on early on in expansion.
So all we have to do is wait until it's our turn.
In reality - as long as you play the class correctly you won't have any issues.
🤷
slim oriole
I don't remember tuning for protwars in the very first tier BFA ever
small venture
Not really.
Then please educate me, how i keep all the aggro without losing any mob, as far i cast thunderclap repeteadly
ionic fern
Thunder Clap is a weak spell.
Revenge/Ravager/BV/Spear(Ancient Aftershock).,
Revenge > TC in damage.
jagged pier
but its not fair Mwahi I want to be top damage top tankiness tank again where i dont have to think so I only have to press TC again and feel good about myself not being bad as the class covers for my bad play 
ionic fern
RAvager and Spear/Ancient Aftertshock are great snap threat tools.
pliant narwhal
are we talking about +14 dungeonsß
jagged pier
where all tanks are kiting anyway 🤔
ionic fern
Idk what you're talking about.
You linked a raid list so i thought you're talking about raid.
pliant narwhal
then u swapped to thunderclap aggro
pliant narwhal
so you have problems with aggro in general, or only in high keys, when you have to kite?
ionic fern
Someone had issues with aggro and asked a question - i awnsered their question
ionic fern
: )
stuck oriole
Really you guys dont have aggro issues? Im at 193 doing +10s and im really struggling qith holding aggro so i can kite
What are you guys doing to hold aggro? Im dropping it through avatar and tclap
pliant narwhal
i have these issues while kiting in big pulls.
slim oriole
Really you guys dont have aggro issues? Im at 193 doing +10s and im really strug...
I have, you're not alone
slim oriole
But there's a point in early revenge
ionic fern
Okay, lets get this straight.
Thunder Clap damage has been nerfed heavily..it is hitting weaker than Revenge.
slim oriole
Bleed is your 3rd damage position
pliant narwhal
when i go close to revenge i will die
ionic fern
🤔
stuck oriole
I am hitting revenge on the opener but i also need ignore pain so i dont insta die
jagged pier
🤔
pliant narwhal
so i charge in , with all cds, drop the spear and dragons roar and jump out
10 sek later i dont have aggro
ionic fern
Dragon roar? o.o
jagged pier
DR
ionic fern
Why do you jump out even?
stuck oriole
Youre running dr?
cerulean quest
Anyone tried Arena as prot
pliant narwhal
no i cant or id dont have any healer
stuck oriole
Oh yeah arena as prot slaps with good dps
ionic fern
Then you probably don't have a healer.
stuck oriole
Great cleave
cerulean quest
Yeah with a rogue in 2s, kinda fun
pliant narwhal
i go in with shieldwall ~6-8 mobs, and have to go out before wall is ending, or i am instant dead
after that i jsut run
stuck oriole
I been running with a feral druid when he convokes its a deleter
pliant narwhal
sb vs caster?
ionic fern
YOu are not really specific about your scenarios.
jagged pier
cc? inturpts stuns
slim oriole
Why do you pull 8 casters?
stuck oriole
I mean thats still 2.5 minutes per pull we cant do that
stuck oriole
Does raider io give logs?
slim oriole
there are 4 casters in every dungeon
Not in an entire pack there isn't
Also you have aoe stun
And fear
stuck oriole
Everyone should interupt hold healers to it too
slim oriole
Or at least LoS casters
ionic fern
People fail to realise that tank survivability, especially now, is made and broken by DPS players.
onyx matrix
lol you know a grp is bad when a dps leaves after 2 wipes
ionic fern
If they interrupt you should have no issues.
onyx matrix
during m+7
ionic fern
If they don't..you're dead.
stuck oriole
You have to get the whole dungeon to los casters because they just target who they see
ionic fern
Easy as that.
slim oriole
You have to get the whole dungeon to los casters because they just target who th...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but casters either target just tank or the whole group randomly.
exotic wharf
Question about DR vs Booming voice in m+.
If I run the wall and UF/AM, would be interesting to have DR to snap aggro/have rage to SB right away? (I was trying to figure out why darkeewar was running this setup)
slim oriole
In 1st case you LoS them. In second, you don't get that much dmg.
stuck oriole
Depends on who they are sanguine depths is random
jagged pier
Question about DR vs Booming voice in m+.
If I run the wall and UF/AM, would be ...
you should not be running UF
EVER
glossy pawn
What is UF?
jagged pier
for literally everything in m+ even with TL
slim oriole
What is UF?
Unstoppable force, lvl45 talent
cerulean quest
I run TL and Rav 🙂
jagged pier
but TC was mega nerfed doesnt matter about avatar
slim oriole
I too was running UF/AM first, but then checked top RIO prots on realm and switched to ravager/bolster, things got a lot more easier
compact tulip
It's honestly pretty weak, plus I find it gets in the way with SS procs too
glossy pawn
Oh that one. Yea I tried it and it's not that good compared to the other ones.
jagged pier
^^ also this diffcult to weave TC in during avatar as you should be prioing everything else
stuck oriole
Ok let me just cross reference here we always run booming voice for the dps right?
glossy pawn
Ravager and the haste one I think you swap around depending on content but I would always run bolster, its way too good.
modern flower
When the spell reflect list says that Fetid Gas is reflectable does that mean that you can negate the initial damage from the aoe if you have spell reflect up while standing in the aoe?
1st boss in necrotic wake
jagged pier
Ok let me just cross reference here we always run booming voice for the dps righ...
always running BV anyway
stuck oriole
Im running rumbling eart and punish as well
jagged pier
sweet summit
Devastator and storm bolt 
stuck oriole
Why what about plaguefall
ionic fern
What about plaguefall?
jagged pier
doubletime for raid sotrmbolt for m+
stuck oriole
Im using shockwave on cd
ionic fern
You shouldn't have to.
ionic fern
I mean..you can, sure..but you will DR the hell out of stuns.
stuck oriole
Same thing on mists
glossy pawn
Ok let me just cross reference here we always run booming voice for the dps righ...
I think dragon roar is better ST dps overall but booming I've felt suits all content. The 40 rage you get is more than DR so I prefer booming because of it.
jagged pier
I think dragon roar is better ST dps overall but booming I've felt suits all con...
its not better
sweet summit
Its like ~5dps
ionic fern
It can be better. 👀
stuck oriole
Im more worried about maintaining threat than dps i got 3 insansely good dps for that
sweet summit
For me at least
glossy pawn
It is better ST dps by far what do you mean
jagged pier
eh?
restive flax
I have had initial threat issues too, but those are pretty much gone by now
stuck oriole
You guys really dont like punish even on gargoyles?
jagged pier
it sims 1 dps more for me and gives less rage
amber sedge
threat gen also getting buffed by 10 percent
sweet summit
Gargoyles where
stuck oriole
Sanguine depths
restive flax
what do they do?
stuck oriole
I dont struggle woth em in anything besides +10
restive flax
Do they do anything?
stuck oriole
Also cranes with their beaks if they dont die quick enough
sweet summit
Just dont get hit by the bleed and theyre ez clap 
restive flax
You can dodge the cleave
ionic fern
@stuck oriole you have to realise that it's DR on a SINGLE enemy.
Devastator provides more damage AND Rage which can be turned into DR against ALL the enemies.
stuck oriole
Aight bro i thought i had this class down now yall got me thinking im trolling hard lol
glossy pawn
Hasn't been been my experience at all using it. I still don't like it but it is better for ST.
restive flax
if you get too many stacks of the beak poke just kite em
but like, i find those very chill
jagged pier
Hasn't been been my experience at all using it. I still don't like it but it is ...
you keep saying that but are you feel crafting or have you got logs or sims to prove otherwise?
stuck oriole
Do you guys just spam ignore pain to live too? Im typically kiting ignore pain t clap and revenge as i kite
ionic fern
Whooping 1.7%. 😂
jagged pier
Do you guys just spam ignore pain to live too? Im typically kiting ignore pain t...
nope I dont spam IP
restive flax
No dont spam IP
glossy pawn
you keep saying that but are you feel crafting or have you got logs or sims to p...
There it is I guess.
I never said it was good just a bit better. Which is true.
ionic fern
It's minimal and can be thrown out the window by pressing Revenge a couple more times.
stuck oriole
What should i be doing? This is my first xpac maining prot im typically dk
glossy pawn
Idk maybe
ionic fern
APL is using IP to spend some rage.
jagged pier
I never said it was good just a bit better. Which is true.
you literally said 'It is better ST dps by far what do you mean'
far better <2 % is not far better
restive flax
SB while enemies are actively punching you and smooth out damage intake with IP (spend leftover rage)
If you have aggro problems at the beginning try to sneak in a Revenge early to have deep wounds on every mob
glossy pawn
far better <2 % is not far better
That's just been my experience when I've used it
ionic fern
Ok, Experience in what?
Logs?
Sims?
Just "I feel like it does more damage"?
slim oriole
run out of cleave
How far?
restive flax
never measured it lol, like 5 yards maybe?
slim oriole
AFAIR they follow you and dont stop the cleave cast
exotic wharf
Well, thank you for the answers
stuck oriole
Alright and just incase i got everything wrong crackling thunder indomitable and anger management are staple right
glossy pawn
Ok, Experience in what?
Logs?
Sims?
Just "I feel like it does more damage"?
I've tried it running some m+ looking through my dps addon. I had alot of crit on my character so I thought I'd might be good.
jagged pier
only indom is staple
restive flax
I run Bolster
stuck oriole
Really?
ebon jasper
Bolster /AM
restive flax
Bolster is BOSS
love that talent
it allows you to have much more uptime on SB
Which, depending on your dps you might need
stuck oriole
What would you run over craxkling meance for kiting?
jagged pier
Alright and just incase i got everything wrong crackling thunder indomitable and...
you want bolster if you are doing anything harder it helps with the SB downtime we have, AM is more for damage or if you use the wall and you are going into heavy magic damage
exotic wharf
Just like I wrote in my comment, I checked cuz darkeewar was running it and I was thinking of possible reasons for the wall/DR/UF/AM setup.
slim oriole
it allows you to have much more uptime on SB
I also like increased rage gen with the conduit
restive flax
true, thats nice
jagged pier
What would you run over craxkling meance for kiting?
i take bounding stride
stuck oriole
Nah i like more up time on demo shout
restive flax
But I have the IP one in there
ionic fern
Just like I wrote in my comment, I checked cuz darkeewar was running it and I wa...
Snap Threat due to the DPS he's running.
stuck oriole
I can see that im nightfae though i may not need it
But the extra mobility might help
weak flax
hi, quick question here, how do you analyse logs as tank ?
ionic fern
What do you want to analyse?
restive flax
I found that Menace with the cacophanous voice makes your shout basically a 0,5 -1 second stun
jagged pier
you ask mwahi to do it for you
ionic fern
DPS? Survivability?
ionic fern
you ask mwahi to do it for you
No.
weak flax
both yes
ionic fern
jagged pier
restive flax
😄
ionic fern
Do you have any experience with log analysing at all?
weak flax
I use warcraftlogs yes
stuck oriole
Aight imma try all this stuff i was confident it wasnt that class i was just fuckin shit up thanks guys
ionic fern
And to check for survivability look for SB uptime when actively tanking (or blocked hits %) and for burst damage check CD usage.
stuck oriole
This +10% rage should be huge too
jagged pier
Aight imma try all this stuff i was confident it wasnt that class i was just fuc...
better people ask dude, instead of suffering
honest plinth
You can't kite it tho since it slaps Tenderise on the nearest target then.
you can btw. even in 15 key it's just half hp of dps player. you can leap after 2-3 stacks
ionic fern
Never forgetti
stuck oriole
Yeah ive been beating my head against a wall in these +10 keys. I got 3 of the best dps and an amazing healer and ive been putting em through hell
stuck oriole
Its insane because +9 is a cake walk we finish with 10 minutes
ebon jasper
what is this necromancy
honest plinth
Yeah ive been beating my head against a wall in these +10 keys. I got 3 of the b...
10s are easier than 8-9 for sure
open monolith
Got the 207 1h axe :D
stuck oriole
You guys run shield wall cd reduction on your covenant right?
restive flax
you animal sock
stuck oriole
Badass
restive flax
nope I dont
ionic fern
you can btw. even in 15 key it's just half hp of dps player. you can leap after...
Not from my experience. 🙂 Healer just flapped.
restive flax
with the wall I would though.. I think?
stuck oriole
Which one?
restive flax
I am currently testing the IP one
But other than that I have the rage gen during Last Stand
stuck oriole
If you run it with the wall and am shield wall is on a 1 min cd its insane for raids
restive flax
Oh yeha, I'm crafting the rank 2 next id
thats what ill test
dont have the wall rn
open monolith
Is there any actual difference between the 207 sword and ax? I saw the stats were the same, the sword had a tighter range of attack damage
stuck oriole
I really like the demo shout for m+ for now i have the wall just havent crafted
restive flax
the axe has more haste no?
open monolith
No they are identical in stats
restive flax
oh
open monolith
Access white swings are 10 lower and high higher
So sore just possibly has more consistent melee swings lol
open monolith
Truuue
stuck oriole
Haste verse mast right?
restive flax
I really like the demo shout for m+ for now i have the wall just havent crafted
agreed. I like the thunderman lego
BUT, the +5 rage from SS sounds juicy overall
from the wall
So I might run that during m+ aswelll if it feels better to have more rage overall
stuck oriole
I mean you could have it up every other pack
Let me know what you think its a 100% drop from nathria if you dont have it yet just pug a run tomorrow
It drops fairly early i think too
restive flax
Oh its a 100% droprate and I have the blueprint
I just didnt craft it yet
because I wanna skip rank 1
stuck oriole
I feel you
restive flax
but I dont have enough soulash for another rank 2 ^^
stuck oriole
F
restive flax
But I decided to not upgrade Thunderman so next id (starts tomorrow) I'll have enough for rank 2 wall
open monolith
do we have a definitive "best" weapon enchant?
ionic fern
Not really. The most generic one would be Celestial
open monolith
does that perform better than lightless force?
ionic fern
Potentially - sim yourself.
Lightless will probably outshine in aoe.
But Celestial also provides some defensive benefits.
restive flax
I like force
restive flax
oh god....
sweet summit
😔
open monolith
is there anything to put on a shield
sweet summit
No
open monolith
sad
restive flax
if you put it out in the sun you could potentially make scrambled eggs on it
blissful imp
So I tried switching to Plater, and I'm having an issue with buff/debuff tracking enemy nameplates vs my own
I can't seem to seperate them so that I only see relevant information I want
sweet summit
I dont really understand 
You can black/whitelist buffs/debuffs
blissful imp
yea, but whatever I whitelist will show up on my personal bar when I don't care (if for whatever reason it gets put on me)
you can't seem to whitelist stuff for your personal bar, but not for enemy and vice versa
sweet summit
Oh idk, i dont show friendly nameplates ever. I might have the same "problem" tbh
blissful imp
is there a third name plate add on? Threat Plates, Plater, and ?
i thought there was a thrid but I can't think of it atm
jagged pier
KUI
blissful imp
thanks
blissful imp
and does anyone know if default blizard nameplates do threat? I think the blizzard UI tracks only relavent buffs/debuffs
ElvUI would require a TON of customizing for me to get it to a useable spot. there were just too many things I found hard to get right with it
prisma crow
they do threat to an extent yeah
red if you have it amber if you are losing it sorta thing
blissful imp
I just need the Red/Green/Yellow/Blue bars on the plates lol
oh and cast bars
and relavent debuff/buff tracking lol!
I had this Idea that I'd change up my entire UI for Shadowlands and I just can't do it.. .too old, too stuck in my ways
still pagoda
ElvUI would require a TON of customizing for me to get it to a useable spot. th...
Yet it is worth the years put into it
still pagoda
I just need the Red/Green/Yellow/Blue bars on the plates lol
Plater, elvui nameplates and kui can do threat, marker and whitelisted mob colouring
sturdy trench
im wondering why blizzard made most of spell reflects deflects
they should rename the spell
to spell deflect
still pagoda
where does it do marker
Wait a sec. Gonna log in and screenshot
modding section
it comes with default plater package iirc
https://wago.io/UKpo0_GbE another good plater mod that adds both important/filler mob colouring for SL dungeons and marker colour change
dire sage
This may be a dumb question, but if I'm leveling a warrior with prot so I can learn the abilities before I hit max, at around what level can I start tanking in dungeons to level where I'm not hindering the group? (if anyone has experience)
still pagoda
This may be a dumb question, but if I'm leveling a warrior with prot so I can le...
right off the bat when you unlock dungeons
just as before
undone jacinth
I meant Elvui for the markers
I deleted plater as it just did a load of the same stuff with a worse interface
compact tulip
This may be a dumb question, but if I'm leveling a warrior with prot so I can le...
As Karton said, straight away. I leveled my warrior through dungeon spamming. You won't hinder the group as everything scales with you so there's no issues
astral crystal
plater is very, very flexible
haughty cosmos
hey guys, crap prot war here. I have been doing +5 with my friends and have been having a hard time holding threat. what do you think i am messing up?
jagged pier
what talents are you using?
and what are you using for threat?
strong forum
I'm putting my money on "not using revenge as offensive rage spender"
haughty cosmos
jagged pier
literally the most common things
haughty cosmos
UF?
jagged pier
Score one for me \o/
unstoppable force
its not a good talent
TC took a pretty big nerf this expansion
so its really not good for threat generation
plus TC isnt highest prio anymore even during avater and its hard to weave in
so basically 2 things
take raveger talent
it will give you more rage and more damage
and secondly spend some rage into revenge
jagged pier
as its our hard hitting aoe ability this time exapnsion and you should even outside its proc
steady spruce
Spell reflecting the scythe on the last boss of Theater feels amazing but i'm afraid they'll nerf that
jagged pier
you still want to use TC aften as you can for rage and aoe stuff but your probably just not using revenge enough
jagged pier
Spell reflecting the scythe on the last boss of Theater feels amazing but i'm af...
if anything they will just make it a deflect
sweet summit
Doubt it tbh
steady spruce
but i want to do those 12K damages 😄
bronze helm
didnt signet use to work with ravager?
glacial skiff
Try running ravager/bolster. You’ll have a better time. 😉
jagged pier
didnt signet use to work with ravager?
nope
ebon tide
Are the guides on wowhead/icyveins wrong just not up to date? New info being found recently? I see all of them pretty much cookie cutter you in to Unstopable and Anger Management
sweet summit
didnt signet use to work with ravager?
Early beta it did
bronze helm
thats so sad
sweet summit
Yeh
strong forum
Are the guides on wowhead/icyveins wrong just not up to date? New info being fo...
There are 2 builds highlighted on both guides.
sweet summit
Are the guides on wowhead/icyveins wrong just not up to date? New info being fo...
Its just a guide, not a bible. I know IV recommends two different talent setups. Mwahi said he might update the IV one to exclude UF
jagged pier
pretty sure the icy veins one doesnt push you into UF MA
im looking at the icy one now its just question mark on all 3
ionic fern
On the Easy mode page i still have AM/UF for the familiarity .
Not everyone is uber raiders/m+ people.
haughty cosmos
i would pref not let my mm hunter die then be ez
ionic fern
I have RAvager/Bolster in the m+ section tho
jagged pier
i would pref not let my mm hunter die then be ez
is he not misdirecting you tho?
sweet summit
Make him md 👀
jagged pier
the wowhead guide is misleading in that respect
sleek sun
Can you dodge Stavros lunge attack as a tank if you time it right?
sweet summit
No
haughty cosmos
do i just use at start of rotation like others for ravanger
jagged pier
that build is less defensive and does less damage so its technically not the offensive vuild ither @haughty cosmos
jagged pier
Can you dodge Stavros lunge attack as a tank if you time it right?
you can block it tho
sleek sun
Does Shield Block mitigate it if I turn around?
ebon tide
Ty all, will take a look tonight
gloomy cradle
Does Shield Block mitigate it if I turn around?
can't block if you're not facing
sleek sun
Ok cool I'mma try that today. That attack hits pretty hard. Wiped on them for like 3 hours yesterday thankfully it was not fault of the squishy prot warrior lol
gloomy cradle
misread that, yeah as long as you turn it'll block
sweet summit
Tankswap on one stack if u have to
jagged pier
because of essences and everything else you had and AM reducing everything it was ez mode snoose fest, but strong
sweet summit
Nah not snoozefest
haughty cosmos
pvp 😈
sweet summit
Was epic as FUCK
jagged pier
Nah not snoozefest
I dont like pressing 1 button just my opinion
sweet summit
You didnt
deft vessel
Okay so In my various mythic+ runs I've definitely felt more in control of my own survivability and threat with Ravager and Bolster instead of Unstoppable Force and Anger Management.
A part of me is kind of sad, but also a part of me recognizes that it's so much more enjoyable to have more valuable cooldowns at your disposal for each pack.
But also, 21 mythic+ runs so far and I've gotten 1 item, so despite having even done a 10 (not on time) I'm still a lowly 181
"fun!"
at least it was an ilvl 200 shield
so i got that going for me
haughty cosmos
fat loot
mild river
So do we have any hope today? No bones throwed at us?
sweet summit
Why would i throw a bone
undone jacinth
what’s ur raider io @deft vessel
smoky sparrow
is there stats weights anywhere?
smoky sparrow
i mean numerically
sweet summit
No
strong forum
I just told them to you
Numerical weights don't exist for tanks
Nor dps
Nor healers
smoky sparrow
hm alright
strong forum
Stat weights are an outdated system from before simming was a thing
smoky sparrow
so lets say 197 neck with haste/vers vs a 200 neck with crit mastery
strong forum
197
sweet summit
Haste
strong forum
Cuz it's neck
sweet summit
Neck, ring and trinkets dont follow that rule
smoky sparrow
ok yeah thast what i wanted to make sure
strong forum
On rings, Necks and trinkets the ilvl rule does not apply due to the lack of mainstat
Trinkets are completely exempt entirely
smoky sparrow
cool cool
dense vessel
I just hate that I'm forced to kite
civic rover
he's hella right about like
all you have to do in M+
is pull 3 mobs at a time, dont die, and you time the key
dense vessel
I don't know about any of you, but I started tanking because I watched videos in TBC of paladins pulling everything, healing from blocks with figurine of the colossus
I want to facetank everything
civic rover
all the tanks are close in balance, but all the tanks are kinda bad
rose cobalt
My favorite part of m+ is being able to pull four packs in dos night fae area. Makes me feel alive again
deft vessel
what’s ur raider io <@127369947838939136>
mild river
My favorite part of m+ is being able to pull four packs in dos night fae area. M...
You kill 20 mobs and get 3% haha
rose cobalt
✊
mild river
But i feel you. It's all physical damage. it feels so good.
gentle trellis
you should not be running UF
Please dont say that...
strong forum
UF is dead
astral crystal
tanks in general aren't in a super hot spot
he do be spittin facts yeah, i just hope people actually listen
strong forum
dont play
gentle trellis
astral crystal
but the m+ single-cell organism brains tend to organize in single file
jagged pier
Please dont say that...
the truth?
civic rover
UF is pretty suboptimal
gentle trellis
Couldnt be much further
jagged pier
what?
sweet summit
i can go pretty far if u want me to 😳
jagged pier
its literally the worst talent in the row
sweet summit
and?
gentle trellis
Its pretty much the most used build
astral crystal
your build is only highly group dependent btw
strong forum
@gentle trellis thats only because darkee is playing it
astral crystal
look at their comps too
turbid cargo
tclap is weak AF, UF isn't even worth running with tlord's
gentle trellis
And me
jagged pier
Its pretty much the most used build
that doesnt mean its good
strong forum
yeah but are you doing 14s Scarr
astral crystal
if you're running fire mage + mm + boomkin you obviously don't need high sblock uptime since everything melts
gentle trellis
And I personally prefer it over Ravaj
astral crystal
you just need dmg to establish threat and kite
strong forum
its the most used build, because darkee played 35 keys with it
gentle trellis
He good boy
jagged pier
bad troll is bad
civic rover
sweet summit
troll?
exotic spoke
Hola prot qtpies
sweet summit
halo
astral crystal
hi
charred hinge
Good morning guys where can I get a better shield ? Where drop from. If anybody can help me with this.
ocean kayak
huh really shocked there was no tank adjustments
arctic wasp
is there a place to casually play prot with venthyr (saying spamming m7 for example?) i found my self dying hardtime, but not sure if it's my fault or healers, i'm not pulling too much either, but mobs hits like a truck x.x, should i always have some kind of mitigation (like IP + SB at the same time?, or just 1 of them is enough?)
steel mauve
kind of need to know what shield you have on, but looking in the dungeon journal gives you drops from dungeons, also the raid has loot
sweet summit
Good morning guys where can I get a better shield ? Where drop from. If anybody ...
conquest vendor
charred hinge
I only have a 158 Ilvl one. Thank you @steel mauve and @sweet summit
wispy tundra
@arctic wasp keep IP going, kiting is great, make sure your group is interrupting and stunning mobs, and cycle your cool downs on add packs.
sweet summit
if u get 450 conquest you can buy an ilvl 200 shield thats a huge upgrade! @charred hinge
charred hinge
Perfect @sweet summit thank you for the info I really appreciate it
arctic wasp
<@177972593893048320> keep IP going, kiting is great, make sure your group is i...
thanks!, so maybe i'm missing some kiting, i always try to have a hard CD for the start of the pull to generate aggro, but maybe i should kite once that cd is off and keep IP going, right ?
jagged pier
is there a place to casually play prot with venthyr (saying spamming m7 for exam...
ummm can be a lot of factors
your play, could be using mitigation wrong SB for physical damage and if u have extra rage then IP on top, and IP for magical. as your venthyr you could be using condemn on AOE which is a no no tbh.
group play, you will get chunked by magic damage like any other tank so your group and you need to cc and inturpt etc
some talents can help you with rage gen for defensive and shut
or a mixture of all 3 factors
arctic wasp
ummm can be a lot of factors
your play, could be using mitigation wrong SB for p...
i see i was wondering when to use condemn, so prob only on bosses or big solo adds
jagged pier
yep
otherwise its useless as it only give damage reduction against the mob you condemn
arctic wasp
correct, in that case IP is way better to dump that extra rage
jagged pier
well revenge, IP and SB
arctic wasp
as i find my self generating a lot of rage but not knowing if use it to aggro or to mitigate, i need to improve that
earnest frost
what legendaries are ppl usin in m+ lately?
jagged pier
the wall
exotic spoke
Thunderlords
deft vessel
thunderlord
arctic wasp
@wispy tundra @jagged pier thanks for the tips :)!, will try to put them in practice 😄
jagged pier
<@!705506147871883274> <@!179993058186625025> thanks for the tips :)!, will try ...
what talents are you running as well?
wispy tundra
@arctic wasp I made a macro that every time I use SB, I also pop IP. It works wonders, especially when SB keeps procing
jagged pier
I wouldnt do that tbh
exotic spoke
I wouldn't do that at all
arctic wasp
what talents are you running as well?
i followd the guides in icyveins, bolster + ravager
jagged pier
i followd the guides in icyveins, bolster + ravager
good good
wispy tundra
Eh, it works for me @exotic spoke
exotic spoke
Highly inefficient. You could use IP when you have a full IP. Wasting rage on it.
jagged pier
^^
exotic spoke
I mean, sure it "works" but it doesn't really.
arctic wasp
i was using AM + UF but i read that bolster + ravager was more defensive so i change it to that
steel mauve
ya thats highly inefficient and will waste an extreme amount of rage
astral crystal
you want t weave in revenge for threat/dmg as well
earnest frost
can ignore pain go beyond 100% of the value or does using it again just reset to max value
mellow patio
Not to mention it will rage starve you
exotic spoke
^^
astral crystal
can ignore pain go beyond 100% of the value or does using it again just reset to...
it has a hard cap
arctic wasp
can ignore pain go beyond 100% of the value or does using it again just reset to...
i think it's 200 % capped
wispy tundra
Ok geez
minor sparrow
bolster + ravager is the play even with thunderlords?
astral crystal
all advice shared here is out of the kindness of our hearts
and wanting to see our fellow prot friends do their best
exotic spoke
@minor sparrow Yes, even though you can't get full use of thunderlords - you're still getting more damage reduction / damage.
mellow patio
I mean you’re welcome to play what you want we will tell it like it is 🙂
exotic spoke
Pretty much what Atticus said. Its that we want everyone to push their limits.
minor sparrow
okay cool. I was running those talents without thunderlords and it felt good
fury main trying to get some high keys done this week. even at 198 ilvl and 670 io I was getting declined for alot of 10s. 😢
jagged pier
have 198ilvl kek
minor sparrow
loot luck he says
mellow patio
190 😎
minor sparrow
0 heroic gear
mellow patio
I only got one piece from heroic
minor sparrow
57 keys done week 1 btw
exotic spoke
@mellow patio Im 195. but uh.... I did a fuck ton of keys
minor sparrow
didn't do enough
vagrant cape
Clip from Lightee7's stream: "Prot Warrior Owns"
https://clips.twitch.tv/SpoopyDiligentSquidFeelsBadMan
mellow patio
@Blizzard said no
arctic wasp
i main arms in raid but i find my self having a good time tanking at m+ until i reach 7+ hahaha, but want to improve to main prot for dungeons 😄
honest plinth
minor sparrow
play more
mellow patio
The 15 PF we did at 190 ilvl was a wild ride
rose cobalt
20 keys i192 
mellow patio
Lower ilvl is hard mode casuals
exotic spoke
I couldnt get higher than a 13. Every single 13 we got was spires.
All my homies hate Spires
honest plinth
20 keys i192 <:yep:703420923625078804>
its good result
rose cobalt
I'm really hoping wall will be as good as I want it to be for tyrannical. Really hated fortify
mellow patio
Tyr is d e a d
honest plinth
spires is pretty hard at least for me
mellow patio
Hard for everyone tbh
earnest frost
spires is the hardest ive done so far
inner harbor
spires and DOS seem to be extra rough for me
rose cobalt
Dos hard for everybody
earnest frost
theater of pain is a bit rough on some of the packs
grand drum
spires is worse than siege
exotic spoke
DOS is only hard for the inner circle. after the circle its fine.
mellow patio
I honestly feel Pf Is harder than dos but my group are apes
honest plinth
fucking mini zul casters deletes me
exotic spoke
PF isnt bad
sonic tangle
If you have no CC for the adds you're pretty fucked
exotic spoke
I mean, its not Halls easy - but its not bad
rose cobalt
PF is nice except for the tentacles
earnest frost
spell reflect needs to be a fucking duration asap not just 1 cast
exotic spoke
Halls is definitely a joke
honest plinth
but its the same as in top
mellow patio
But we tried
mellow patio
I do enjoy a fat clap
honest plinth
ye i like hoa too
its like ml but without extra farm
you get % by itself
and bam
boss 1 pack boss boss
like it
exotic spoke
81% trash before even doing the first boss
earnest frost
yeh thenu just pop shroud and go straight to 2nd
chilly brook
Lightee confirmed playing prot
honest plinth
yeh thenu just pop shroud and go straight to 2nd
if you have rogue ofc
i dont yet 😄
exotic spoke
or a druid, or a night elf that can rez, or a shaman
high folio
how competitive are the level 45 talents, thinking about switching from UF to ItF since my haste is super low at the moment im like Ilvl 150 something and no haste prot is feelsbad
exotic spoke
and just death run it then
jagged pier
how competitive are the level 45 talents, thinking about switching from UF to It...
should run Rav
steel mauve
ravager is the better level 45 talent
high folio
oh really? interesting
steel mauve
more dps and 60 rage gen every 45 seconds
high folio
never seen rav be the go to for prot
ill likely use that once i have a little more gear
steel mauve
it has been before, but not last expac
high folio
my 9% haste is p rough
still pagoda
how competitive are the level 45 talents, thinking about switching from UF to It...
ItF gives you 1.X multiplier on your current haste instead of flat 2/4/6/8/10%.
For example, if you have 20% haste, you will have (1.2 * 1.1 - 1) * 100% = 32% on 5 stacks of ItF
high folio
ohhhhh i see
steel mauve
did they change it between bfa and shadowlands?
still pagoda
did they change it between bfa and shadowlands?
no
high folio
so my 9% would be like, 12 at best
still pagoda
was that way in BfA
high folio
i recall it giving more in BFA but i could be wrong, i had to use devestate and quit playing
lmao
still pagoda
i recall it giving more in BFA but i could be wrong, i had to use devestate and ...
it gave you more only because you had much more haste
high folio
could be why
still pagoda
and i don't see anything bad in devastate as a separate filler
high folio
i just didnt like how that spell felt
sweet summit
ItF was 15% in bfa
now its 10%
high folio
ohhh thats right
still pagoda
this too, but you also had much more baseline haste from all the trinkets and stuff
high folio
and devestate felt spammy to me, idk didnt like it
my prot warrior never made it out of zandalor questing gear lmao, i didnt have any haste
restive flax
Should I have more hps than a druid tank?
sweet summit
depends on who much damage you and him is taking tho
restive flax
I mean its lady inerva
sweet summit
tells me nothing
jagged pier
logs?
steel mauve
druids heal more for more damage taken, where as prot war isnt like that exclusively
restive flax
I idnt really mean to get a scientific answer lol, just overall
I start tanking the boss
so until the second debuff he doesnt heal much probably
high folio
in other words the harder a druid gets hit the more they heal iirc
with indom our healing is p flat amount
sweet summit
ehh its both ways
restive flax
you have constant damage on you after the first tank swap though. So Id still heal
high folio
did you have a bigger health pool then him
high folio
indom is % heal
high folio
may be part of it, idk tho im just spit balling
restive flax
Yeah no worries, I was just curious because I never considered warrior to be a "healing" tank
high folio
every IP you cast is 4% of your max health healeed
so your 4% is a bit bigger w a 48k health pool
restive flax
yeah true
high folio
yeah
steel mauve
they arent a healing tank, but you just cant take numbers on details into account with out the whole picture, there are a ton of variables that can change the out come of performance
even the healers hps, did they panic top him off, his regen would then be over healing instead of healing
high folio
^^^
steel mauve
disc priest, did he keep shields up and prevent actual damage done to him, because the difference in prot war and druid, we also prevent health damage that can never be an over heal with IP, theirs is only self healing
high folio
also facts
druid may not have been that efficient with his frenzied regens (i think thats what its called idk bear butt)
proven glen
oh snap the discord icon sword got a santa hat, i like it
sweet summit
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inner harbor
at what key level are people having to start kiting a lot? i took big hits up to +4, didn't try much beyond because pug healers have been... interesting.
still pagoda
https://clips.twitch.tv/LachrymoseOutstandingHorseEleGiggle
like
the dudes who kicked me out of the guild
they're salty as fuck right now probably
chilly brook
Doubt it
jagged pier
im guild is one boss ahead
chilly brook
People will still say something stupid
still pagoda
im guild is one boss ahead
gz
i'm still without a guild
guess this will be forever or until i break and go DPS
chilly brook
I.e. "BuT wE hAvE sElF sUsTaIn TaNk NoW"
still pagoda
or form a new guild with friends if such possibility will arive
chilly brook
Honestly though monk does pipe
still pagoda
the problem is: Self-sustain is meaningless on tanks unless we're talking of DK whos entire mitigation profile is healing back the hits you got, and even than it is not "self-sustain"