i would get declined from a 7, im 177 ilvl
#protection
sick sentinel
sweet summit
limit/bdgg/pieces 
fierce tendon
I'm 189 and I still get declined from shit, people just want meta tanks like dh to carry
open monolith
Are complexity and limit the same thing?
sweet summit
kinda
sick sentinel
asmon has a otk wrestling stream going on right now
grand drum
Yes complexity limit is the org name
sick sentinel
yeh he trash, but he like my tv show
sweet summit
entertaining 🤷♂️
sick sentinel
i can't watch tv, too boring for me :S have to play wow
still pagoda
aight, another 5 keys
if pugs are gonna be as garbage and toxic as before, imma just quit this shit right away
fringe marten
ok sooo...? where do you change the cast bar size in Plater? thing is huge, and the font is huge.
enemy cast bars are massive lol
strong forum
modern brook
fringe marten
of course it's under enemy npc and not cast bars LOL..thanks
gloomy cradle
thing is huge, and the font is huge.
sounds like exactly what you want 🙂
sweet summit
YUGE
north rampart
can i get a quick ui setup list? DBM world quest tracker, details!
then elvui? or anything else that is popular now?
people still use shadow?
twin comet
Go to the elvui forums and download one of the packs and their addons
Remove what you don't like
@north rampart https://www.tukui.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4676
That should be pretty easy to setup.
hollow bolt
steel mauve
I used to use elvui but i switched off it, went back to shadow unitframes and bartender
jagged pier
so 184 ring, 61 crit 85 haste or 213 ring. 141 vers 53 mastery
tall mural
Yeah I’m starting to get declined at ilvl189 for 7+. There’s no way Elysian decree doesn’t get hit soon.
novel surge
Elysian Decree?
still pagoda
DH kyrian ability
grand drum
I hope the same for prot pally and sotr damage
novel surge
I cant wait for this aggro buff. Ret pallys just rip aggro when they blow their load
still pagoda
judging by blood adjustments, blizz will take the route of buffing tanks instead
no need to gut the fun for pally and DH
novel surge
188.12 and getting declined from +7s cause people want other thanks too. Very sad.
still pagoda
that is exactly why i hate WoW community. We talked about this before here
extreme blind metachasing
novel surge
My brother mains disc priest and keeps me up in +7's no problem its just these randos all think theyre WF pugs and need to follow them exactly
modern brook
in ABsolute fairness they dont know who you are and a shitter prot will kill a key
novel surge
True but they can pull RaiderIO - sure only a score of 407 right now but 39 for realm.
That's why it exists right?
steel mauve
just completijng keys gives a score
novel surge
Well now you're just devil's advocate 😛
modern brook
Sure im just saying like its their key just apply to another
if the only reason they declined was cause ur prot
you probably dont wanna run w/ them anyways
seriously imagine needing a vdh to time a 7 😬
steel mauve
and its not really like there are a shortage of keys, or just boost your own and make your own groups unless you are specific gear hunting
novel surge
True. Was hunting NW for some items. Got sick of my key always rolling HoA
so sick of that dungeon
Its rolled HoA 3 times in a row. from 2 to 4 to 6 earlier this week
modern brook
halls and nw are dps dungeons
i dont like that you can get the same dungeon on complete agin tbh
still pagoda
seriously imagine `needing` a vdh to time a 7 😬
imagine needing any meta class/spec to time anything
🤯
novel surge
@modern brook all I wanted was my Engorged Worm Crusher lol
still pagoda
aight, +8 spires with 2 dudes from the previous run
modern brook
I really lucked out this expac tbh; the guild i fell into is like nice and talented and everyones trying to learn and get better
I legit enjoyed raid for the first time in 4 years
Also idk if anyone hasnt done it yet
but Sire Den is a siiiick fight
novel surge
some friends and I made a guild like that on stormrage. Focus on fun and getting better together - world of difference
we only got 3 down our first raid night. Destroyer/Iverna/Sun/Council is the goal tonight - Den looks fun AF though
modern brook
destroyers p straight forward
tbh i still dont totally understand sunking
I just hit stuff until we won
steel mauve
ill probably start pugging raids next week, im inbetween staying casual mode and hosting pug raids each week or actually finding a guild
still pagoda
^
steel mauve
idk if i have the energy to try hard CE any more
nocturne sage
I know this has probably been discussed to death but can anyone give me the TL;DR of TL vs The Wall? Currently have TL crafted but just got The Wall and I’m tempted
novel surge
I lost the urge to CE in legion. Real life took priority. I think everyones excited to go hard for SL right now cause half the country is locked down or locking down again
modern brook
I know this has probably been discussed to death but can anyone give me the TL;D...
both are very good
They also both do very similar things
so its mostly what you need and how they line up
AM obviously pairs very well with the wall
steel mauve
tried to go CE as a dps shaman in bfa to find out im only a tank main lol
nocturne sage
I think thats my problem, i raid tank for my guild and i love keys so i was trying to get a one size fits all thing going
modern brook
Either option is servicible in the other
If you're in a heavy prog guild I'd make both, then max the wall
if not I'd max tlords first after making both
Its worth noting that theres more 2+ target fights in CN than there are 1 target fights
Sorry i know you wanted something more concrete but the truth is we have the luxury of being able to use either
I personally think Tlords is better cause of the obvious synergy w/ booming voice and how often we can keep demo up on packs in m+
though I know better prots than i advocate for the wall in certain dungeons due to how much magic damage comes in
novel surge
What if you run that ravager build though?
novel surge
Gotcha was just checking because I love ravager play style
novel surge
being able to dish out big AoE while holding down melee negation is so much fun
craggy harness
does anyone notice why kyrian pots don't work all the time?
nocturne sage
Hm, so since i already spent to get a lvl 2 TL I’m prolly gonna stick with it for now since i do like the booming voice/demo shout play style
craggy harness
doesn't it show a cool down tho
open monolith
Yeah it goes on cooldown, and if it comes up during the same combat it'll be kind of grayed out like you can't use it
Just like how potions used to work before Shadowlands, only one per combat
This only applies to the phial of serenity
All other potions can be used in multiple times during combat
summer onyx
pretty silly imo
quartz mist
So any answer to tenderize in M+ , ive been leaping and letting it clear
Necrotic wake , the stichwerks
quartz mist
Ya ive been getting 4 stacks
craggy harness
anyone have a weak aura to track whether the kyrian pot is combat down
quartz mist
Tin can dps
quartz mist
So sit there and get spanked?
quiet sandal
so u have to let them know when not to be in range too
yeah if u leap out to reset tenderize
u can just have them not be in range for a sec
because mutilate follows right after
all easier said than done
quartz mist
True true
quiet sandal
because if ur in a pug with people not on comms
u leap out, melee gets tenderized which is nbd
u want to be back in range for the mutilate that comes right after
otherwise he targets a melee with that too, and that one shots them usually
quartz mist
All hunters usually MM with no pets ya? Can a hunter taunt the tenderize and let the pet get clapped and tetaunt
quiet sandal
yeah MM is meta
quartz mist
Retaunt*
quartz mist
Imma not worry about until high keys
quiet sandal
or a rogue with evasion
anyone with immunity
will be fine but you gotta let them know i guess
or just charge right back in to be the target of the mutilate
modern brook
Yeah it goes on cooldown, and if it comes up during the same combat it'll be kin...
Kyrian (and to my knowledge all pots) dont go on cd until you're out of combat
which is probably why @craggy harness didnt see the CD ticking
open monolith
that's probably why you can only get 1 per combat
though, as I understand it, other pots don't go by that rule anymore
I believe that changed in SL
they just have a general 5 minute cd
modern brook
oh possibly 🤷♂️
I've been prepotting still mostly out of habit
how come necrolord is only good for udk 😦
they really just said the two worst covenants are gunna be bis on everyone
still pagoda
Spires are not that bad tbh
the only loot i get rn is conduits though
and i've got +9 plaguefall
guess i'm going to get +10-12 going tomorrow
nocturne sage
Tlords makes UF playable, not the other way around
So you use TL with ravager or UF?
still pagoda
ravager
ornate marlin
Should I build my wall legendary this week or make something for my off spec?
rose cobalt
That's my plan
jagged pier
I like wall tbh over TL
modern brook
Both are really good imo
still pagoda
ill probably start pugging raids next week, im inbetween staying casual mode and...
Btw. Are you on EU?
rose cobalt
I got a 200 stalwart guardian to go with it too, super excited for tomorrow
rose cobalt
I do run AM, I've never had a good time with hr or bolster
modern brook
how much CDR is 200 SG?
jagged pier
your not using bolster correctly then as it makes you far far tankier
rose cobalt
I mean bolster isn't exactly a complicated talent I just don't like how it feels
ornate marlin
@signal plover my guild brings me for dps in the raid but I tank M+ I have boots of the tunderlord, wondering if I should do a dps legendary to help for raids and PvP
thinking Leaper or seismic Reverberation
still pagoda
your not using bolster correctly then as it makes you far far tankier
Depends on the dungeon and your shield ilvl though
ornate marlin
i got a 184 shield
still pagoda
As it gives much less value if you only have 150-170 shield
Still, both are good
@ornate marlin get DPS legendary then
If you're playing arms or fury, go for what's best for them rn
steel mauve
im NA
ornate marlin
the best legendary for arms is 2nd to last boss from nathria so I dont have that yet
steel mauve
im between needing to do pvp for a shield and not wanting to do pvp lol
dire jolt
if I'm only planning to make 1 prot leggo, you guys think wall or TL for M+? I get that TL is usually recommended but wall seems more generally useful for tyr bosses and magic heavy dungeons
hardy radish
not an expert genius prot warr but I think TL beats Wall in pretty much every possible way for M+
even regarding magic, having very frequent demo shouts just from a defensive standpoint is excellent
chilly brook
This MDI change is huge weirdchamp
jagged pier
not an expert genius prot warr but I think TL beats Wall in pretty much every po...
not strictly true tbh, in theory yes but to get the benefit of TL you need to use demo when you get it back. which means you can waste some time with it also it front loads your rage so you ither have to save or you might not have rage when you need it the wall is less rage yes but its consistant rage, and with the conduit the cd on SW is very low, so you have it alot which is great for tank damage
ionic fern
The conduit doesn't change much. It's mostly the CDR from AM and The Wall.
ashen moon
when blocking, do you usually spend the 2 SB charges right away or nah?
still pagoda
roll them
still pagoda
SB caps out at 11 seconds in its normal state
chilly brook
Meaning you could waste block uptime if you do
still pagoda
^
jagged pier
The conduit doesn't change much. It's mostly the CDR from AM and The Wall.
from what nom was saying about his DOS with conduit and AM it does change it quite a lot
dense flame
upstairs necrotic wake. How many debuff stacks are you taking. 2? or kiting at 1
for ease on your healer
still pagoda
i still got oneshot few times, but this is purely on my misplays
jovial fractal
I don't mean to cut in exactly, but does anyone have advice on how to generate more threat, I'm struggling to keep agro against prot pally especially?
dense flame
fsho
still pagoda
mutilate tankbuster from stitches works like an anti-kite mechanic from BfA
so be aware of this
kite on tenderise, take it on mutilate
jovial fractal
@signal plover yes
sweet summit
gl keeping aggro against prot pallys
jovial fractal
I'm running devastator, double time, booming voice, crackling thunder, indomitable, unstoppable force, and AM
hardy radish
itf slaps
jovial fractal
I'm going to tonight, Im crafting a new legendary for my next raid
Going to swap to ItF it will make that much of a difference?
signal plover
If that's not enough then make sure you use your taunt window well
UF is bad
TC damage is much weaker this xpac
jovial fractal
I have thunderlord gloves, I thought that would be better with that
signal plover
You'll get more value outta ITF or ravager and dumping revenge
Ppl are overly attached to UF cuz of BFA
Let it go
jovial fractal
Okay, I'll make that change and see how it goes, would anyone recommend rav for sunking?
pastel sleet
dumb question alert. are healing potions on the gcd?
signal plover
No
pastel sleet
ty
signal plover
And I ran rav for sunking heroic worked pretty well but tbh itf would have been fine
jovial fractal
Even for m+ with thunderlord you would take ItF over UF?
signal plover
No ravager in m+
jovial fractal
Oh that makes sense cool
I pretty much just picked up prot warrior again this xpac haven't played it much since WoD
signal plover
Also frees you up to run bolster in m+ which is kinda needed atm
wispy tundra
Good m+ opener; avatar, ravager, charge, thunder, rotate what you need via cooldowns and shieldslams
jovial fractal
I'll have to mess around with taking bolster and rav for m+ this week
signal plover
Get that DS in there
wispy tundra
I'll have to mess around with taking bolster and rav for m+ this week
I'll think you'll like it :)
jagged pier
ravager before anything
jovial fractal
Is thunderlord still good for m+ or would you recommend the wall?
wispy tundra
Good for m+ with shout
signal plover
Debatable either way tbh
jovial fractal
What is DS sorry
jovial fractal
Okay thought so
jovial fractal
I've been loving TL, but wall seems great for the raid just hadn't been able to craft it yet
signal plover
I think TL wins out in keys tho
jovial fractal
Probably with the higher uptime on DS, TL would be better
Really appreciate the help everyone!
jade fern
guys
can sb help me, i'm loosinf agro all the time
thunderclap is definitelly not suddicient to take it all
cloud cargo
revenge
cloud cargo
and ravager tallent for me 😄
i usually use demo. shout for rage, ravager , clap and revenge spam for first seconds in cb
digital nova
this shit feels like bfa release all over again this wet toilet paper tank shit is bugging me
oblique jolt
I feel like fortified has a lot to do it with it no?
sweet summit
keep up SB
use SS and TC on cd
revenge for damage/aggro
vocal bison
thunderclap is definitelly not suddicient to take it all
it's great stacking ravager and spear, but worst case scenario if you're really having aggro issues, alternate spear and ravager, should have one up for every pack
digital nova
I feel like fortified has a lot to do it with it no?
Let's hope, I'm getting denied in pugs for rolling war
vocal bison
also make sure you're using last stand - that's shield block without rage so you can spam revenge
^if bolster
oblique jolt
Let's hope, I'm getting denied in pugs for rolling war
If it’s any consolation l, I’ve seen almost every tank get one shot
cloud cargo
someone who is going m+ can u send me your gear/stats ?
digital nova
I get absolutely rekt in +8
jagged pier
90% of your damage reduction will come from play not stats
compact stump
what is one shotting you
cloud cargo
i was mists +5 and i died so many times
vocal bison
i was mists +5 and i died so many times
that one hurts a lot if you're not coordinating interrupts for the mobs
digital nova
dps not interrupting with SR down is my usual cause of death
jagged pier
i was mists +5 and i died so many times
your probably doing somthing wrong or not interrupting or cc adds or a bit of both
compact stump
my general rule is anything that does enough damage to one shot you is 100% avoidable
tardy parcel
Is it okay to use Bolster with The Wall in a raid setting? Or is AM a necessity when running The Wall? I found that the timings for using Shield Wall w/ The Wall whilst using Bolster was just fine - but I'm only 6/10 in Normal so far. Didn't even occur to me to swap to AM
cloud cargo
yeah m+ with pub is not good .. 😄
jagged pier
Is it okay to use Bolster with The Wall in a raid setting? Or is AM a necessity...
AM for damage bolster for defence
compact stump
at least have 1 friend with you that you can coordinate interrupts with
digital nova
it did answer his question, though, AM if you don't need defense, bolster if you do.
and yes I'm fully aware of the SW cooldown reduction
lusty grotto
Is it okay to use Bolster with The Wall in a raid setting? Or is AM a necessity...
if you read what AM does youll understand why you want it with The Wall
sick sentinel
AM was broken as hell in bfa
lusty grotto
it did answer his question, though, AM if you don't need defense, bolster if you...
no
digital nova
lol
lusty grotto
he didnt answer it
how are you more defensive with bolster + the wall than AM + the wall?
short cd sw????
hello
lusty grotto
that's not what we're arguing about here
digital nova
SW uptime is great, but it's not so great that AM is a mandatory pick
digital nova
which is literally what he was asking
sacred quarry
How do others track incoming damage type (physical vs magic)?
lusty grotto
he wasnt asking which is the better cooldown you sperg
holy fuck
he was asking about talent combinations + a legendary
jesus fucking christ
digital nova
"Is it okay to use Bolster with The Wall in a raid setting?" Answer is yes.
digital nova
"is it okay " is not "is it optimal"
nocturne sage
Anyone know the cap for soul ash as of tomorrow’s reset?
lusty grotto
why would you fucking wear the wall (with bolster)
might as well go with thunderlords
still pagoda
why would you fucking wear the wall (with bolster)
general use in raids lmao
digital nova
^
still pagoda
both legendaries are powerful enough on their own to use them with whatever talent build you want
digital nova
Exactly. Just because it isn't maximum synergy doesn't mean the wall becomes useless without AM
ionic fern
I think i'm in a +12 so i'm nmot reading
still pagoda
still pagoda
let the man push his key
still pagoda
oh
wooden radish
your cat is here
still pagoda
hi Lincoln
lusty grotto
good kitty
wooden radish
@thorn spruce
jagged pier
oof 47 prots have killed council hc so I actually look good XD
cloud cargo
anyway, someone with raidbots simulation ? i wanna see some stats 🙂
lusty grotto
The Wall with Bolster instead of AM
thorn spruce
Hello
lusty grotto
yes/no/maybe
here is the original question:
Is it okay to use Bolster with The Wall in a raid setting? Or is AM a necessity when running The Wall? I found that the timings for using Shield Wall w/ The Wall whilst using Bolster was just fine - but I'm only 6/10 in Normal so far. Didn't even occur to me to swap to AM
lusty grotto
last stand is a better cooldown than SW
and also this ^ Opinions?
ionic fern
.
echo tulip
Hey so I just picked up a shield for m+ ive read most of the guides but I feel really squishy.
sweet summit
got logs?
echo tulip
Should I be dumping all my rage into ignore pain?
sweet summit
no
lusty grotto
Should I be dumping all my rage into ignore pain?
no
lusty grotto
ignore pain for all damage and for smoothing it out
not just for spell damage
but not as important as maintaining SB
onyx matrix
I wasnt finished xd
lusty grotto
on physical damage
echo tulip
Ok
fallow mortar
Nimchip is just impatient, continue Nipple or was that everything?
lusty grotto
he was wrong
ignore pain for spell damage is not accurate
you use it smoothing out damage spikes
on top of SB
fallow mortar
How about you let people ask the entire question?
lusty grotto
that's literally who i am
trim bay
When you say Ip
echo tulip
Thats definitely my problem my sb uptime is definitely not a priority in my rotation ive been dumping most rage into ip
sweet summit
ignore pain
ionic fern
You lose a lot of value by not running AM with The Wall, iirc it's like 175% CDR so you're looking at a lot wonkier SW timer.
Is it worth to run with Bolster? Idk, there are so many variables to take into consideration. Do the Bolster/SW timers actually line up with something?
Can you use SW and/or Bolster on CD ? Is the majority of the damage blockable or not etcetcetc.
still pagoda
oof 47 prots have killed council hc so I actually look good XD
i look terrible then
trim bay
ignore pain
I was trying to be funny :(
still pagoda
exactly. I personally tend to gauge it off of situation
sweet summit
i dont get it
still pagoda
If only i had wall
lusty grotto
You lose a lot of value by not running AM with The Wall, iirc it's like 175% CDR...
ty sir
still pagoda
Would run in SoA/DOS
lusty grotto
@echo tulip I believe both Mwahi's Icyveins and the Wowhead guide cover SB usage
if you have questions, its a short read
tardy parcel
Thank you, everyone, for the answers re: AM/Wall/Bolster - appreciate the insight
sweet summit
saw nothing 👀
lusty grotto
steady aspen
If i have scale trinket up un use ip after, which one will get hits, or double dip? And if ill use wall when scale is up does it count as douple value?
lusty grotto
now thats a good question
sweet summit
and yes, if you use SW you take less damage to the absorb
steady aspen
So first ip Takes 50% and scale takes rest
sweet summit
IP absorbs as much as it can, and scale takes the rest
jagged pier
i look terrible then
You probably have a higher rio score than me tbh
shut summit
digital nova
Fueled by violence +58 has me rolling, what an undertuned conduit
still pagoda
You probably have a higher rio score than me tbh
are you sure? https://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Memphetide
I've done only few keys over the last 2 nights and that's it. Gonna try pushing towards 10-12 tomorrow after studies so dunno how it is going to end up after the first week
i want to try pushing M+ really hard this season
yet i don't have a group yet
so i'm kinda stuck pugging for shit & giggles
cloud cargo
i am now testng Unstoppable force with AM vs Ravager and Bolster
jagged pier
are you sure? https://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Memphetide
I've done only...
Your close to my score and I have 2 dungeons on you I'm gunna have to push tomorrow before that chest on wednesday
still pagoda
i want at least +10 chest on Wednesday
also
may try persuading one bro of mine(Who's also dissapointed in the whole situation with him being stuck in the limbo of constant guild migration) into collecting all our friends on EU horde and trying to create a raiding guild
sweet summit
I think i have a key i can donate
still pagoda
i have +9 plaguefall
vocal bison
i want at least +10 chest on Wednesday
I think the weekly loot cap for the vault for this week is set at +10, but loot goes up to +14 for end of run dungeon loot.
still pagoda
free 90 rio into my pocket amirite
still pagoda
I think the weekly loot cap for the vault for this week is set at +10, but loot ...
still, the higher the better. Rio and bragging rights 
jagged pier
I have a 5 NW
vocal bison
I have an 8 Plaguefall, my only problem is I have yet to find 4 people that can consistently not get smooshed by tentacle lady at the end.
ionic fern
and also this ^ Opinions?
See, this goes into the same ballpark of - what type of damage.
If we take it as just blockable damage then obviously Bolster>SW due to the longer duration. Even if we take the 8s duration of SW then Bolster would still win just due to having a 2m lower CD than SW.
lusty grotto
dang
ionic fern
In other scenarios its the other way around.
still pagoda
i need to find people who can consistently interrupt lul. Not even talking of boss mechanics
digital nova
seconded
lusty grotto
or i should say people are aids on sanguine depths
digital nova
seconded again
lusty grotto
cant dodge ghost frontals, cant interrupt squall or the debuffs, etc lol
dense pivot
other venthyr dungeon is kinda aids too
still pagoda
people are aids on sanguine depths [2]
sweet summit
Id take sd over soa any day
lusty grotto
halls isnt too bad
still pagoda
it is fine once you get a good grip of the dungeon
sweet summit
I have no idea how to do soa
digital nova
HoA is fine, probably my easiest clear this week
lusty grotto
yeah i dont think hoa is bad at all
seems simple
as long as the huntresses are focused and you dont get chomped by gigantic stone doggies
vocal bison
Speaking of SD - how are people attempting the Overseer/Mistdancer/Gargoyle pack right after third boss for higher keys? I've actually been using BL on it, it's so painful. Any good strats? Been doing Overseer>Mistdancer>Gargoyle for FF.
sweet summit
Use the shield, avound the bleed
Nuke the overseer
digital nova
those pulls got easier when I found out you can just stormbolt the loyal cast
lusty grotto
yeah mackdose
digital nova
cuz we all know the rogue ain't gonna stun it
lusty grotto
on the 2 pack after 2nd boss you can also fear it if Shockwave is down
if they havent disengaged to africa that is
digital nova
fuckin facts lmao
undone jacinth
u just kite that pack
doubt u will be stood in it at the time she enrages the bears
undone jacinth
at higher keys even non enraged those bears will just eat u
compact stump
bears are your worst nightmare
lusty grotto
stoneybears
tall mural
Yeah, they ate me on 10. I found the small area right after the second shard of halkia to be very hard. once you drop down. there's not that much space to kite without pulling the next shard mobs or the pats in the garden.
glossy pawn
Its really stupid how good indomitable is compared to the other talents in that row.
undone jacinth
yeh not having room to kite will just mean ur dead eventually
vocal bison
i go to the right first then come across the open area up to the left
shroud is amazing for that dungeon after first boss
double shroud even better 🙂
gloomy cradle
Speaking of SD - how are people attempting the Overseer/Mistdancer/Gargoyle pack...
if you pull the overseer on the left it won't chain the gargoyle
vocal bison
can get most your % at the beginning
vocal bison
if you pull the overseer on the left it won't chain the gargoyle
You can pull them separately? Or am I misunderstanding that.
gloomy cradle
yepp
vocal bison
woooah, nice
half the battle is when you put the shield down melee have a hard time seeing where the rock spikes are on the ground
lusty grotto
i think the biggest thing about SD is that its closequarters like TD and the camera doesnt help to dodge all the fucking random shit that happens including traps and the red beams
gloomy cradle
if you just 2 pull it its a breeze
vocal bison
removing gargoyle from the equation should make it ez mode
glossy pawn
camera is the worst enemy
lusty grotto
fucking stupid blizzard making red traps that are tiny
undone jacinth
its the red sword lunge things that are the most toxic
lusty grotto
its the whole purple on purple debacle again
gloomy cradle
i dont think it works if you pull the gargoyle, but 100% works if you pull the leftmost npc and has been that way since beta
undone jacinth
im sure 99% of the time I get hit that im not in them
undone jacinth
yeah dumb af
gloomy cradle
the mistdancers?
undone jacinth
yeah
gloomy cradle
they're rough if you're stacking melee, with a couple ranged it shouldn't be too troublesome for anyone but you
lusty grotto
right
gloomy cradle
think there are only 2 in the dungeon though
one in the beginning and the one with the gargoyle
vocal bison
ECHOING THRUST YO ASS
sweet summit
Skirmishers with their fucking blade shit can fuck right off
lusty grotto
lollll
sweet summit
Missed that stun eh?
Too bad youre dead now lol get fucked loser
cedar rose
What missives did you guys put on your legendary?
sweet summit
Haste vers
gloomy cradle
the ghouls
lusty grotto
:x
gloomy cradle
have to be kited, you can't take hits from them at all
gloomy cradle
maybe with SW up but otherwise its a nogo
undone jacinth
like little maggots
gloomy cradle
they're easy to kite though and die fairly fast
undone jacinth
yeah I mean I can tank them with CDs on bear but they also have the enrage as well
lusty grotto
the dumbasses that spill the blood thing on the ground?
undone jacinth
I don't really die to them but why they decided that tiny mobs should do massive melee idk
tricksy hobbits
vocal bison
the ghouls
why do i not remember this at all - the mobs right before last boss in SD or a different area?
oh wait the hallway with the circling death orbs?
still pagoda
Skirmishers with their fucking blade shit can fuck right off
i was doing it like sense in my 2 SD runs today.
Backpedaling through the whole hallway until they are dead
shut summit
can stun those ghouls to line up claws / reflect too, helps a bit
still pagoda
it is like with the first pack of DoS
lusty grotto
oh ya was just showing Arathel
shut summit
glossy pawn
Kiting as a tank feels so weird to me, idk why lol
lusty grotto
sense why are you so sexy
gloomy cradle
yeah stun/spear/fear and they should be mostly dead
vocal bison
oh yea, I usually rotate stuns on them, shockwave/fear/bolt/monk sweep
gloomy cradle
https://i.imgur.com/c3iLjBG.png
this is great, completely missed that its reflectable
undone jacinth
seems to be a lot of reflectable stuff
gloomy cradle
chilly brook
Kiting as a tank feels so weird to me, idk why lol
Because it is
chilly brook
You're supposed to tank the damage not run from it
vocal bison
Because it is
it didn't quite click I needed to kite until I got absolutely shredded in NW, when dps couldn't down stitchbois during my mitigation time, sorry melee, gotta bounce on mutilate, goodluck
chilly brook
It's big dumb
lusty grotto
well i mean
undone jacinth
those stitch mobs are definitely an issue
gloomy cradle
thats intended though
glossy pawn
You're supposed to *tank* the damage not *run from it*
Sometimes people dont dispel enrage and it makes my warr sad.
gloomy cradle
gotta burn them, kite, or let someone else soak a tenderize
first one isn't too crazy its after a few stacks it gets spicy
undone jacinth
well its intended to a certain level
vocal bison
yea
undone jacinth
doesnt mean its properly balanced
they already nerfed them once so clear they didn't get it quite right
still pagoda
Sometimes people dont dispel enrage and it makes my warr sad.
it will make any tank sad
sonic garden
Is there a guide or addon that will help me find what abilities are blockable / reflectable?
still pagoda
still pagoda
Is there a guide or addon that will help me find what abilities are blockable / ...
an entire spreadsheet
sonic garden
Thank you!
glossy stone
With bis leggo is ravager still the best?
open gazelle
I timed a 10 DoS that’s about all I could do
Nobody wants to take prot wars after +10
tall mural
Nothing like spell reflecting master of death
open monolith
@normal heron as long as you are not endangering anyone else, yes
I'm not sure if it still spawns a orb in heroic though
I believe that is how it works, yes
nimble drift
What does deflect mean
Does that mean it negates the spell?
As opposed to reflect which sends the spell back
lofty widget
exactly
nimble drift
So in Halls of Atonement, if the first boss uses his glass shard smash thing on me, the sheet says that it "deflects" this. So then there would be no glass shards on the ground?
open monolith
Just means you don't take any damage, the glass will still spawn
The final boss of theater of pain you can completely negate the tank buster, reaping scythe
Shared suffering isn't the link
Well it's the link, it's not the beam
It's the thing that makes someone else take the same damage you take
You can also reflect the tank stacking debuff that she has, so if everything lines up correctly you can potentially solo take her by only ever having one stack
However oftentimes she will cast fast enough that you still may need to tank swap, but much less often than without spell reflect
nimble drift
WAIT WHAT
the tank stacking debuff can be reflected?
Expose Desires?
I need to use reflect more often it seems so useful
90% of the time I use it for "X bolt" abilities
paper orbit
^ same, i very much appreciate this conversation. I've been using it more for spells (necrotic bolt, etc), but it seems much more versatile. Maybe i'll die slightly less now.
open monolith
If you want to take the mystery out of it
There's a spreadsheet that has every single reflectable and deflectable ability in every single dungeon and the raid
Did you know you don't have to take the jumpy traps in de other side?
You can just deflect the explosion
paper orbit
For sure, i've been reading them heavily, but sometimes context is nice and the people here are friendly
open monolith
50%shadow 50%physical massive tank buster from final boss of theater?
Haha more like 0%
Reflect ALL the things
glass sequoia
how much do you guys use revenge in 8+ keys?
glacial ridge
If youre really feeling it, create some weakauras that yell at you on target cast to spell reflect, also use Causese's sharedmedia pack for sounds
glass sequoia
I feel like I dont really have any spare rage for Revenge when my IP regularly gets eaten through in like 2 seconds
cloud cargo
If youre really feeling it, create some weakauras that yell at you on target cas...
i need this! 😄 i use it 2 times per dung.. 😄
glacial ridge
the trigger if you want to use it better than most reflect bolt is off the top of my head (im at work) combat log, start spell cast, and you put NPC ID, and spell id
visual gull
fallow mortar
yes
mild river
Guys, i got this trinket. Is it any good?
Pulsating Stoneheart
Item Level 203
Trinket
+63 Strength
Use: Increase your armor by 344 and regenerate 957 health every 2 sec for 12 sec, but you are slowed by 50%. (1 Min, 15 Sec Cooldown)
steady spruce
Why does disc priests have bad synergy with us ?
fallow mortar
it does?
steady spruce
dunno i'm having a hard time with my disc friend and a group with a disc priest refused me because of "bad synergy"
steel mauve
i could keep up with a disc priests hps on one of my runs, that was painful
steady spruce
oblique jolt
I don’t know if that’s a thing lol
steel mauve
probably isnt
steady spruce
well disc does a lot of shield and so does the prot warrior so might be it
maybe disc is better with self healing tanks like drood or dk
steel mauve
doesnt matter, our absorb doesnt diminish theirs
steady spruce
maybe it's just better with other classes
grave charm
what spec do you guys do Torghast in?
lavish oracle
I probably take a shield tomorrow even if it's significantly lower ilvl than my other vault rewards, right?
torn gulch
prot
lavish oracle
184 wake shield
torn gulch
what do you have in the vault
lavish oracle
I think the lowest I get is ilvl 200
torn gulch
then it's not even a doubt
sullen valve
Anyone know the spell ID for protection warrior whirlwind?
sullen valve
🤔
i can't find any logs with that spellID being used for prot warrior
i know arms and fury have different spell Ids
torn gulch
seems the prot one is 1680
sullen valve
is it only 1 spell ID for damage?
or is it like fury/arms where there is many
w/e i'll just make mwahi make me a log with it
novel willow
my disc priest friend keeps calling me paper towel tank :((((
oblique jolt
So I’m new to prot and in most scenarios a shield is almost the de-facto pick if higher ilv?
gentle trellis
Yes bc block
gentle trellis
Guys, i got this trinket. Is it any good?
Pulsating Stoneheart
Item Level 203
T...
It's okey and does alot of healing, like 10% overall. But remember to use it when the situation allows it eg no moving
pine tangle
hey i just tried to run a +6 necrotic wake and was strugglin to keep aggro? is this a thing or am i fckin up
still pagoda
doesnt matter, our absorb doesnt diminish theirs
not only that, but it may also be because that dude doesn't know how to play around different tanks
like lul, that should be a skill for every competent healer
steady spruce
@lavish oracle how do you know you're gonna get a shield?
When do i have to be loot specced to get according loot in the vault? During the reset or when i click on the vault?
gentle trellis
hey i just tried to run a +6 necrotic wake and was strugglin to keep aggro? is t...
Ilvl differences maybe. Do you play ravager?
steady spruce
@pine tangle many adds in the third boss room has a "focus someone" mechanic, might be that
I love ravager as prot, makes kiting and big pack so much easier
pine tangle
i dunno im at 188 and they were 190 ish i could see that. Ill try swappin to ravager
gentle trellis
Switched off of ravager when I started playing 10 upwards. UF + AM is the way imo
And the wall > tgv
tall crescent
Any thoughts on rumbling earth + the cd reduction conduit?
still pagoda
That row always was situational
This may shave down shockwave's cd to really small amounts, but you may also need stormbolt as additional interrupt or double charge
pine tangle
thank you Scarr 🙂
torn gulch
so atm am i am thinking of getting the DoS trinket and the pvp trinket with haste and main stat
how do you rate my choices
coral marsh
guys last boss plaufe
plauge
what can i do
to not be meleed to death
+12 188 itemlevel
i cant
what shall i do
stradama
sturdy sable
are you dying from comet storm?
grizzled sentinel
So i have a question guys
coral marsh
i just die slowly and healer cant top me
torn gulch
no he's daying to stradama melees
grizzled sentinel
i was in my raid tonight as a prot warrior and on enarly ever wow anylzer i checked it said i had 0 mitigated damadge from my shield block is thre something im missing?
grizzled sentinel
like nearly every log my shield block has a low or next to 0% on mitigated damage xD
still pagoda
Splintered Heart of A'lar from raid is top tier tho
Garbage just as all other cheat death trinkets
We've been through this with hilt from chromatic anomaly already
torn gulch
i never liked cheat death
i want the haste main stat
because it gives me haste and main stat
i find it very good
i don't pvp a lot but i can get 700 conquest
for the 200ilvl one
with 88haste and 150 main stats for 20s
and for us main stat is double dipping
in dps and armor
i am probably wrong with my big brain analysis
but i really like that pvp trinket
still pagoda
Cheat death trinkets do nothing untill you get YEETed, essentially occupying the slot that can be used for better offensive or defensive choice
lavish oracle
@steady spruce I don't know that I'm gonna get a shield just wishful thinking. You should be in the loot spec you want gear for before you click the vault, though.
lavish oracle
You should get aggro and then kite
Ravager is a good option if 2 of them are close together, so is spear
Taunt + heroic throw generates a lot of threat too
coral marsh
its so hard
steady spruce
how does taunt work on retail? It put you above everyone on the treat list and make your abilities generate more threat for a while, right?
coral marsh
we have to slow kill the big add
to avoid a second rain
but then the soak hurts so much
steady spruce
say what now? You can avoid the rain?
lavish oracle
Sets your threat equal to highest threat and then makes you generate 5x threat for 3s, afaik
lavish oracle
Pretty sure the rain is just a healer check
steady spruce
i dunno you mentionned it ^^
lavish oracle
I haven't found that the soak on the big add hurts that bad on an 8
steel mauve
also no one but you generate threat on your taunted target
torn gulch
soak is fine
steel mauve
ya it was a clarifiacation thing they did in bfa
sly trench
Hi guys, stats of prot?
torn gulch
ilvl is king
lavish oracle
Haven't really had any issues with Stradama in general though, more problems with Domina
violet dome
Haste, vers, and mastery I think
lavish oracle
Primary stat is very good for us
Haste>vers/crit/mastery for secondaries, basically
sly trench
Nice
torn gulch
i will personaly get as much haste as i can
lavish oracle
Some people rank mastery lower but I don't think it's big enough to even mention
torn gulch
without hurting primary
fringe marten
Woot 7/10 heroic...Time to get pounded!
violet dome
Nice!
lavish oracle
Good luck
violet dome
Is 190 the minimum for normal CN?
lavish oracle
Naaaah
steel mauve
the pugs ive seen have been requiring 175 ilvl
torn gulch
no
violet dome
Oh what?
violet dome
Hmmm
lavish oracle
You could probably no brain it at 190, though
violet dome
I do not have a guild but I've been trying to get gear high enough to raid. I'm high 170s so I've been doing mythic dungeons
lavish oracle
Joining a guild is probably the best way to go about raiding, pugs can be pretty rough
violet dome
For sure.
I figure it would be a good idea to be raid ready before looking for a raiding guild.
PUG mythics are rough so I can't imagine PUG raids being smooth
lavish oracle
You kinda have to just work your way up when it comes to guilds. Start with like a casual raiding guild, maybe just one that gets AotC every tier or something
There's no shortcut to it really, unless you know someone
violet dome
Which is fine. I'm not looking to be competitive necessarily. I've just never raided before and this is the first expansion I've really dived into so I wanna try and raid
lavish oracle
Oh, I'm sure there are friendly guilds who don't mind new players on your server
surreal nest
Okay, anyone out there that can give me some tips on tanking the caster skeletons in De other side on 10+ as a warrior. they literally one shot me if my pump brained dps miss an interrupt.
lavish oracle
I haven't been in there on a 10 but I think there's a vod of someone running it that could be useful
surreal nest
Where? name of the streamer?
steady spruce
Trellsky ?
lavish oracle
Lightee was running keys on warrior yesterday
surreal nest
Thx guys ill check it out!
lavish oracle
Should be lightee7 on twitch
narrow ivy
Spiteful tomorrow, yall ready for it?
lavish oracle
Damn, he ran keys for 14 hours yesterday
Yikes
Spiteful seems ezpz, tbh
Things from beyond never scared me
narrow ivy
seems like you really could just TC and sidestep them
lavish oracle
Or hold shockwave
Maybe I'll actually go rumbling earth on spiteful weeks
Seems worth a shot at least
open monolith
"New balance changes"
:D
"Just balance, marksman, and more unholy nerfs"
D:
high folio
so how many of you guys are saying fuck it and running condem as prot lmao
SoB is crazy strong by uninteresting imo
narrow ivy
I'm still NightFae
high folio
Also can one of you tell me whats wrong with my Sob Macro. Im trying to get it to just cast on current target, i hate having to click target it
/cast [@fluid parrotget] Spear of Bastion
violet dome
I am Kyrian still
high folio
@fluid parrot sry
steel mauve
dont think you can cast ground aoe spells on targets, best bet is at cursor
violet dome
I thought SoB was best for ranking so I've stuck with it. I gotta say it's been very helpful
high folio
oh yeah dont get me wrong it does fatty dmg and gives a ton of rage
violet dome
I'm making am Arms Warrior for PVP and I'll try Venthyr
violet dome
It looks good for DPS. I'd have died so many times without those Phials.
high folio
yeah i could see it being gross for fury w the execute procs
nimble drift
You can just deflect the explosion
WHAT
I am going to check that sheet before every single dungeon I do now so I can memorize the different things I can deflect
thats fucking awesome
open monolith
Yeeee
@high folio i found that downloading a weak aura that puts a circle around my mouse in combat made @cursor macros much easier. That's how I use spear.
high folio
i may try that at some point
im going to swap night fae atm to see how i like it
im barely into the kyrian campaign so im not gonna lose a lot of progres
nimble drift
Losing phial is not worth it lol
narrow ivy
SoB is pretty meh
high folio
i think its boring, strong as fuck and the phial is a good oh shit button
uninteresting imo
very cut and dry
narrow ivy
yeah the tether is honestly super good for kiting
but Ancient Aftershock is a ridiculous interrupt
high folio
yeah i reading the night fae a little more and for m+ aftershock looks gross
yeah fr, a ticking stun for a couple seconds
narrow ivy
soulshape is good if you need to really get away
high folio
m+ is most of what i do too so seems a good fit, and yeah can never have too much movement
narrow ivy
I'm still not great at kiting, to used to FFXIV
so the idea of "TC, leap then book it and let the DPS cleave them down" is like
hard to process
high folio
ive only ever played wow so kiting and death balling is still muscle memory for me
hardy radish
if I'm going to be holding a boss for the vast majority of a fight, i.e. on Inerva and abusing spell reflect to drop the DoT, would it be best to take Punish to reduce my overall damage intake?
sacred quarry
In Titania's prot warrior WA, what is the sheep (baa) noise?
narrow ivy
death balling?
high folio
like a big pull, getting all the mobs to stack up for optimal cleave
narrow ivy
ohhhhh
high folio
idk if thats the proper term its just what i call it
night tusk
Does anyone have a legit numbers stats i could use for my Pawn for my Prot warrior?
fringe marten
😦 meh..20% pulls... but we only pulled 4 times and we called raid LOL people so spent from this week.
high folio
im def switching to night fae tho
ill be completely honest i dont use keybinds because i was taught how to play this game by a super old school wow player and ive just become so accustomed to that play style its all i know lmao
im a dreaded 'clicker' hahahah. been that way since like 2014
lavish oracle
1 minute CD on spear just feels so much better than 90s on night fae
high folio
i feel you
lavish oracle
At least in keys
high folio
you can get cd reductions in the soulbinds tho
brings it to like 75 seconds, and which still brings it out of sync with ava and demo shout just like SoB has the same issue
narrow ivy
I love it
high folio
rather then just a root like SoB it knocks target down like every 3 seconds
really powerful interrupt and stun, just seems nasty for keys
high folio
and ill never raid beyond heroic so it seems more fitting for me
high folio
i just dinged so im not very familiar w dungeons yet
grave charm
what build should i run for torghast m8s?
high folio
still trying to get established as a fresh 60
lavish oracle
In torg? I don't think it matters usually
Prio single target damage
And other than that it's ez
gray warren
Ravager not proccing signet legendary a bug?
gray warren
arms ravager works so looks like it
open monolith
I don't think it is
Ravager is a different version of a baseline spell for the other specs
so it makes sense that it procs on the other specs
whereas for us it is just a talent
gentle mountain
is torghast easier as prot?
gentle mountain
cool
low kindle
is signet leggo still not working for ravager on prot?
steel mauve
no
low kindle
sadge
echo carbon
Is there a trick to necrotic wake or is it just unpleasant to tank overall
empty locust
its not great this week
echo carbon
Between the healing absorb spam the fucking jumpy ghouls and the constructs tenderize I just get whomped every pack
And then if you try and kite a tenderize they just whomp one of the melee
empty locust
Get a pet taunt or something to not get smashed
low kindle
tendraize usualy wont kill a dps, it's the mutilate
empty locust
if you can get a dps or pet to take a mutilate you will be good
I found that our the hard way
amber sedge
Hey guys - anyone have any good statistics on warrior raid damage taken/profile vs. other tank classes? I've been main speccing dps but there is a strong chance I will be swapping to tank for the guild, and I'm wondering if there are any glaring weaknesses in prot warrior tanking at the moment I or the guild should be aware of
lavish oracle
You can save weapons to try and speed up those pulls also
violet dome
Is it still recommended to run Dragon Roar and Ravager talents for Mythic+ and Raids?
I ask because the legendary for Mythic+ is Thunderlord and works off of Thundclap. I have it at level 2 right now so it seems like unstoppable force and booming voice are the best choices with this legendary
violet dome
Because of the rage generation?
sick sentinel
Some times if ravaged too far away it just sits there does nothing
lavish oracle
And it does slightly more damage because you're not spending every other global casting it
violet dome
Yeah. I usually cast SoB first before Ravager to keep the mobs in one place
lavish oracle
Ravager follows mobs around now
violet dome
I have seen it move around in Torghast
lavish oracle
I've had it get caught on the ceiling sometimes, though
sick sentinel
I think it's if you go ravaged you get bolster and if you get unstoppable you get am
violet dome
I have Ravager and AM
I was using Bolster for awhile but then I switched because of my legendary.
sick sentinel
I've not done all of the toughest yet
amber sedge
Also...how fucked am I as a tank if I don't swap away from venthyr?
violet dome
I feel like the additional potion on demand from the Kyrian is quite good
Door of Shadows is a cool ability but I don't see it having a ton of use
I could be wrong though
undone jacinth
Also...how fucked am I as a tank if I don't swap away from venthyr?
Ur fine dude
if ur asking the question, it probably won’t make a difference for u
undone jacinth
depends on the key but higher up ur probably needing to run bolster so u get less value
still probs fine though
depends how often ur pulling packs
violet dome
I feel like the synergy is nuts though
nocturne apex
quick prot question: do I use Ignore Pain in conjunction with Shield Block, or should I use my Shield Block stacks and then Ignore Pain until Shield Block is back up?
marble garnet
conjunction
astral crystal
Hey guys - anyone have any good statistics on warrior raid damage taken/profile...
just peep at WCL
wowhead also has a raiderio-like section, lemme check
ah well cant find it but just look for WCL statistics
and edit parameters to your liking
violet dome
It's a grind
grave charm
honestly debating quitting warrior for now its not fun at all in pve lol. good luck m8s
steep valley
I have found all the tanks less fun to play in SL, but that could be just me for sure
Maybe paladin is more fun than BFA pally
astral crystal
sl pally is way more fun than any iteration before it
but it definitely suffers from being a glass cannon
steep valley
and tbf I still haven't tried guardian but that was such a snoozer in BFA that I can't even bring myself to log onto it anymore
astral crystal
on the flipside, it can kite well
steep valley
man, I hate kiting. I just want to face tank everything
astral crystal
gotta wait til the next forced borrowed power ™️ system they shove down our throats
steep valley
is tactically running away actually fun for anyone?
steep valley
it just feels like "oh yeah? I might not be able to take your damage but.. I CAN RUN FASTER THAN U NEENER NEENER"
great tank fantasy, 10/10
steel mauve
Its not really some thing new now at the start of expacs
craggy harness
mutters suuure the chances of my thunderlord boots are greater in m+
steel mauve
Just got mine to drop from m+, first m+ spires after the change, was so sick of it before
exotic spoke
At high keys thats everyone's tank fantasy right now.
grizzled skiff
If u wanna facetank longer than others go brew
dusky mica
i dread it on my warrior
dread it because it's boring or because it's too easy?
No decent warrior buffs for Mythic Raid. 
mossy sedge
Hello guys I'm new here and have one question, how to get around current m+ tanking meta of kiting tanking? I'm trying to hold aggro and use my leaps/charges to mitigate some damage but I'm quickly running out of CD... And it's not how warriors should tank xD
dusky mica
For aggro, don't blow your load on one pack
mossy sedge
If I can stay within pack I can hold aggro easily but healer is crying
dusky mica
save Dragon Roar, Spear, Ravager for the next pull etc unless you know you wont need it.
so stagger your offensive CDs if your dps have really good gear.
You should only need to kite if you don't have shield block
mossy sedge
I trying to fill gaps of shield block with ignore pain and shouts but there are many situations that I have to either jump away or just use everything Tu survive
tacit smelt
for theater of pains agony wing, which orb side u guys find easier to tank with pugs?
dusky mica
or if the mobs apply some dumbass bleed and you need to drop stacks
mossy sedge
Question about legendaries, I have that thunder one (everyone say it's best for m+) but 2 days ago I've dropped wall one and I like the idea of it a little bit more, it's really much weaker in m+?
dusky mica
It's not really that noticeable
You do have to play Booming Voice with Thunderlord though or there's no point.
mossy sedge
With 186ilvl gear with almost all haste/Vers up to what + lvl I should feel confident? Because starting from +5 I get beat a lot
Not sure it's me or healers
dusky mica
You don't need to compete with people on streams. They're playing with better gear and better geared team mates.
You should be fine upto 10 with that gear. Your dps will be a bit below par though.
mossy sedge
It's not about competition, it's about getting some better gear mainly to help with raid progress and... Have fun xD
dusky mica
Just do more runs and try and remember where you made an error last time.