does anyone know the k-value of dungeons atm? I remember something about 2k5 but I can’t find it anymore
#protection
jolly thistle
jolly thistle
nah that’s way too small, you’d be at 50%++ dr already
I always forget about the search function in discord 
jolly thistle
It’s 2455 for m+
strong forum
He means K Value, not key scaling
still pagoda
already understood this
DoS, sacrifices that turn into small hakkar mobs that aoe like crazy
pugs don't focus them
WTF
and then blame tank
GREAT SHIT
so now i'm stuck with 3 epitomes at the same time
not being able to find group because "warrior bad"
not being able to raid because "warrior bad"
and getting old notes of disgust for pugs that i had in S4
interrupting casts? Nah, we're gonna blame the tank for "being paper"
focusing shit that will wipe you afterwards? Nah, we're gonna wipe and blame the tank for the same shit
cerulean quest
Anyone know why this may be? ....
modern brook
i heard them say ur ugly lolol
in reality if you've gotten renown 7 by not the campaign
its probably from the campaign
cerulean quest
I got it with the 1k anima
modern brook
check for a campaign quest or something
still pagoda
have you done quest?
jolly thistle
Isnt there a quest to get the upgrades unlocked?
modern brook
its mre than likely a reward from the campaign
radiant kraken
@cerulean quest There's a quest you need to do to unlock it. Check your covenant hall
modern brook
iirc 7 was a quest renown if you're capped
still pagoda
there's a specific pvp veteran quest that unlocks this
strong forum
Sounds just like coffee to me
radiant kraken
having to come into work has ruined my monday
modern brook
smh a good cup of coffee is heavenly tbh
jolly thistle
modern brook
most coffee, especially in the states, is garbage tbh
still pagoda
tbh, blizz have done a good job at making dungeons oppressive enough to require good communication early on into the tier
modern brook
that is to say commercially available coffee. like if u go to starbucks/dunk
still pagoda
this also means that pugging is ten times more cancerous
radiant kraken
I've really enjoyed SL dungeons so far
still pagoda
i don't really like sanguine depths
modern brook
actually fuck plaguefall too tbh
still pagoda
dungeon design is pretty good so far, BUT pugging is cancer
woven radish
Yea @still pagoda , I've had like 3 keys busted in a row due to horrendous pugs that couldn't interrupt/do mechanics
modern brook
green 🤮
radiant kraken
I'm between plaguefall and NW
still pagoda
Yea <@254685070739243009> , I've had like 3 keys busted in a row due to horrendo...
same
final mist
They’ve tried to make dungeons hard enough that they require sufficient coordination that good groups can’t just mass pull everything whilst also ensuring pugs can still do them reasonably
They’ve failed at both
still pagoda
i don't have a group because most of my friends quit the game, S4 group i was part of died and M+ discord pugs don't even consider warri no matter the place where these people are
woven radish
Like.... easy keys...+7/8 rip because 4 missed hooks in NW.... missing spears on devos etc
still pagoda
neither i can find a raiding guild now
open monolith
I had no problem getting into pug groups last night for up to plus 10s:o
Just switch to NA, smile
modern brook
They’ve failed at both
minecraft oof sound
woven radish
Haha yup
still pagoda
zero interrupts, healers not using CD's for 30 minutes straight despite the group almost dying
and so on
open monolith
We timed a +8 spires.... With 22 deaths LOL
jolly thistle
I’d rather quit wow, before I get back to pugging
still pagoda
and all blames goes onto the tank afterwards
strong forum
neither i can find a raiding guild now
DW if SL continues as is, you can take over my spot
modern brook
why is prot discord SL emo :^(
still pagoda
wtf is going on with nom
still pagoda
???
open monolith
Because Karton is here ;)
still pagoda
Because Karton is here ;)
i'm not emo
ionic fern
😂
open monolith
That's exactly what an emo would say
modern brook
YEah sock; he's scene
still pagoda
just too frustrated with the state of that shit
not the game as it is pretty good
whatever, i talked about this before
open monolith
Hey I get it man, shitty groups are frustrated
Just got to change your mindset I guess
modern brook
As resident shitter
ionic fern
If you have a group, m+ is fun.
If you don't have a group, don't do m+.
open monolith
Like, it's a video game
open monolith
Nothing that happens is going to have any actual effect on your life
modern brook
I really like both the dungeon design and the raid (froma dps perspective on the latter atleast)
still pagoda
Good design.
still pagoda
Nothing that happens is going to have any actual effect on your life
exactly. Yet it still frustrating that i can't enjoy WoW in my free time because WoW community fucks over people like me
open monolith
And all the pugs you've run, you haven't come across a single good player?
still pagoda
unless you're lucky to be part of a guild that doesn't care and pushes anyway
jolly thistle
Try to get the pugs on discord. That helps a lot.
open monolith
If I ever find a good player I tell them that they are awesome and that I want to keep playing with them
That's how I filled out my friend list so I don't have to pug quite as often
Get this
Last night?
I played with a ret pally from Ragnaros
And he was actually amazong
Like, never seen higher pump
Was absolutely nutso
So I told him he might be the only good player on his entire server, and now we're friends
modern brook
Thats rag tho sock
rain egret
is sigment of tormented kings viable to play with as prot in high m+? can you still parry, block etc?
modern brook
Rag is either absolute dog shit or the best player you've ever played with
0 in between
open monolith
Yo Ragnaros is a cesspool of shit players
Finding even one good player is a fucking miracle
still pagoda
And all the pugs you've run, you haven't come across a single good player?
only 2-3. Only one i was able to add to my friend list, just as the dude is frustrated by the state of WoW community himself.
I don't consider myself good either, but at least i'm willing to improve and work with what i have at hands to achieve the maximum result. Just as i'm willing to cooperate to time much more dungeons
but oh well, pugging keys on EU is cancerous enough rn, just as you're no one even touches your notices on M+ discords because you're a warri
jagged pier
124 messages what did i miss 👀
still pagoda
sadly, WoW community became one hell of a huge cesspool
ionic fern
Mostly Karton being sad.
still pagoda
not just some separate servers like US-Rag
still pagoda
Mostly Karton being sad.
extremely frustrated*
jagged pier
karton always sad whats new 🤷
still pagoda
nothing
jolly thistle
wowhead articles aren’t helping as well
open monolith
Maybe you would have a better experience if you switched classes?
ionic fern
I've been declined/removed from groups due to being a warrior as well. 
open monolith
I know that's not what you want to do
pearl jetty
If you SR Dance recital on council what exactly does it do? I did it several times on my pulls but I still had to run with my partner
open monolith
Yeah I got removed from a group by Ragnaros players for being a warrior,
ionic fern
But i simply don't care cause there's like 20 other groups looking for tanks.
open monolith
I don't speak Spanish, but I can read it well enough to know that the healer said he didn't want a group with me
I laughed because they were still looking for a tank 45 minutes later after I'd finished the next dungeon
Theater of pain isn't nearly as bad as I thought by the way
open monolith
I mean we timed it with 22 deaths, so it was fine
ionic fern
open monolith
Wait no that was spires
We timed theater with about 11
The healer wasn't quite prepared for the amount of group damage in the lich room
open monolith
How are you guys dealing with the big trash pull before the second boss inspires?
modern brook
I've been declined/removed from groups due to being a warrior as well. <:deswind...
I applied to a +2 Spire to get my legendary and the group lead literally wispered me "dude no, lololol i cant heal a shit class like prot warrior"
ionic fern
😂
modern brook
was the most Ive ever felt
open gazelle
Spires sucks ass I hate it
modern brook
its bottom 3 for me
idt its that bad but its def the most bfa of all the dungeons
whre like
your surivibility is dependant on everyone else playing the game
hollow lance
Does anyone have an updated spell reflect spells for Castle Nathria and dungeons?
modern brook
open monolith
Using spell reflect on reaper's scythe on the last boss of theater of pain almost feels like cheating, by the way
final mist
open gazelle
Spires or de other side? @modern brook
modern brook
spires
open gazelle
Yeah it blows
final mist
There’s a reason I don’t pug
open monolith
Oh no, a really hard-heading half magical tank buster... Just kidding spell reflect lol
final mist
I feel terribly for those of you whom are forced to
modern brook
Using spell reflect on reaper's scythe on the last boss of theater of pain almost feels like cheating, by the way
quiet sandal
pugs aren't bad if you use raider io
modern brook
ftfy
open monolith
I feel like the best thing you can do right now is just try to spam plus sevens for gear
They're nice and easy, and they get you normal raid loot ilvl
quiet sandal
yeah untill tomorrow
jagged pier
They're nice and easy, and they get you normal raid loot ilvl
10s are easier
quiet sandal
tomorrow spamming 10s prolly better
open monolith
I've heard people say that Jakey but I don't agree with it
still pagoda
Meta is always a thing.
there is an even bigger problem with all of this.
While meta exists per say, it is impactful only at the highest levels. Lots of statistical data backing this, even with the start of this season.
Yet it still propagates itself in increasingly toxic attitude big part of WoW community takes. "Meta this, S tier that" while not even understanding that every single spec surely competes and good at the almost highest levels of keys and raid progression. Even goddamn BfA sub timed +26 in Season 4, a spec that was dumped by blizzard for no fucking reason and was not touched ever since mythic zul nerfs. And that is a really high point so to speak
quiet sandal
10s only 203 ilvl right now, will be 207 tomorrow
open monolith
I understand that prideful make certain things easier, but The overall difficulty of the trash isn't worth trying to pug at a 10
ionic fern
Jeah, of course. Meta is a thing and people will follow it regardless if it applies to them or not.
modern brook
there is an even bigger problem with all of this.
While meta exists per say, i...
ppl talk about s tier like they're not grey parsing their hunter logs
still pagoda
I understand that prideful make certain things easier, but The overall difficult...
even at +8/9
open monolith
8 to 9's I haven't had much of a problem with
still pagoda
i had the most frustration in 8/9 so far
still pagoda
ppl talk about s tier like they're not grey parsing their hunter logs
i've been orange parsing as fury... in ToS. And people still said "why are you not playing arms it is objectively better"
jagged pier
yer but its like in bfa 12-14 were the worst keys to pug
still pagoda
and this was around WR2000-2500 level
open monolith
I mean they're not wrong though
An orange parse Fury does like 15% less damage than a green purse unholy right now, lol
I don't think the buffs they're getting are enough personally
ember crest
speaking of meta... DH tank damage is broken, my DH tank partner in raids is regularly pulling off me if im not constantly slamming the target, its kinda silly
stoic bluff
Henlo, i'm tanking some keys for my friends when i have to and i'm mainly dps. I use signet legendary and the prot guide said it was bad cause of random BS. Why is a random Bs bad? i can still use defensives? should i cancel it if it procs?
tardy parcel
you all are making me feel incredibly happy that my guild enjoys running m+ with me and i never really have to pug otherwise lol
still pagoda
An orange parse Fury does like 15% less damage than a green purse unholy right n...
i was talking of Tomb of Sargeras in this message. The time when arms pulled over by 5% at max yet people flocked to the spec after rework and few nerfs to DoS and CoF
modern brook
idt theres a single buff coming tuesday that is enough to make it overatke unholy/mm
modern brook
Henlo, i'm tanking some keys for my friends when i have to and i'm mainly dps. I...
random bs is bad because u cant block during it im p sure?
still pagoda
you can
modern brook
I lied
quiet sandal
u can block
stoic bluff
do i really need to tho as long as i have shield block and ignore pain?
i'd cancel for a stun or interupt ofc
modern brook
an arms/fury wouldnt lol
stoic bluff
thats my thinking
quiet sandal
shouldn't get you killed, especially because u can anticipate losing control of ur character
shieldblock before avatar
and whatever happens happens
stoic bluff
yeah i'll just be mindfull, ty for the inputs.
open monolith
Man late legion arms felt so good
Probably one of my favorite classes in the history of the game was late Legion Arms
I can't even explain what felt so right about it, but everything was just perfect
And then BFA came out, and look what they did to my boy
still pagoda
just as there was my favourite iteration of fury
i feel like i need to detox from WoW again
from pugging especially
even 10 keys were enough to get that frustrated
open monolith
I think I would agree with that statement
Your spaghetti has been awfully upsetti for a while now
still pagoda
of course it is going to be really upset when you get screwed almost every single time you're trying to do anything fun in the game
tardy parcel
i'd try not to beat yourself up too much about it, though. it's really easy to get tilted when we're all going as hard as we've been on WoW since expac dropped
speaking for myself, anyways. i definitely feel like i need to pull back from WoW a bit
ymmv
open monolith
One thing I'm really enjoying about this expansion is the difficulty
It doesn't feel brain dead easy like the first tier of Legion, but it doesn't feel overly oppressive
still pagoda
yes
this is great
but at the same time, it makes the game frustrating if you lose any possibility to do the content that you like because your spec got deemed "bad" by whatever tierlists there are
open monolith
And while I don't love going four dungeons in a row without loot, It feels much better when you do get a piece knowing that war forge and Titan forge doesn't exist
still pagoda
i'm either up to pugging, which is hell, or not playing
or doing happy farm dialies in the Valley of Four Winds
tardy parcel
And while I don't love going four dungeons in a row without loot, It feels much ...
That's a good point that I hadn't really thought about when getting flustered about gear. It definitely feels great to get something and not think "... but it COULD have been better ..."
open monolith
I did four medium key dungeons in a row, My friend got three pieces of gear and I got nothing, but when we did theater of pain plus eight and I got the 200 shield, it made all of it worth it
modern brook
And while I don't love going four dungeons in a row without loot, It feels much ...
its the same thing tho
still pagoda
the satisfaction of beating it
modern brook
theres fundementally 0 difference between doing 4 dungeons and getting no loot and doing 4 dungeons and getting loot that you wont use.
still pagoda
^
open monolith
I know
It's like you're agreeing with me
But saying it in a tone that suggests you're not, lol
modern brook
I'm not agreeing
open monolith
Seems like you are /shrug
I guess it's a psychological thing. Getting useless loot kind of feels worse to me than getting nothing
modern brook
🤷♂️ I'd kill for a 170 off hand rn
still pagoda
i'd kill for any kind of shield rn
modern brook
yeah thanks dad if only i thought of that :^)
still pagoda
155 shield is not a joke
lusty marsh
I bought the conq shield
open monolith
Look here young man
modern brook
i literally ran spires 18 times before i got the leggo to drop
open monolith
Just because I just got done making breakfast for my daughter doesn't mean you get to call me Dad
lusty marsh
need to hit 1400 and upgrade it
modern brook
and in that time i got ~700 anima
open monolith
I'm torn because I want to try and gear up my DPS alt
But it feels like wasted time not running dungeons on the warrior to get gear on main
tardy parcel
just get the conquest shield tbh
open monolith
But that's more a problem of having a family and limited play time, lol
tardy parcel
made a huge difference from my 171 with minimal effort
open monolith
What item level is the conquest shield?
modern brook
200?
open monolith
Oh wow, didn't realize it went that high
lusty marsh
with upgrade if you hit 1400 rating
tardy parcel
yea the unranked conq gear is all 200
lusty marsh
not sure how high it goes though
open monolith
But I would still rather commit honorable Sudoku than step foot into any form of PVP ever, :)
modern brook
But I would still rather commit honorable Sudoku than step foot into any form of...
pvp is probably the best its been in a while
but yeah hard agree
tardy parcel
i suppose the suggestion is just that there are certainly alternatives to fill the more crummy gear spots
open monolith
Oh I'm sure it is, but I know myself too well
tardy parcel
especially something like a shield
open monolith
I don't like the person I become when I lose in PVP games
So I do my best to avoid them entirely
lusty marsh
I just slapped on a 155 two hander and spam queued with my dh buddy
we got to 1019 in two hours about a 50% w/l
tardy parcel
not to mention the weekly for just winning 4 bgs is 100 conquest
which is already a little bit of the way there!
open monolith
I can't decide which of my DPS alts I would rather focus on. Enhancement or Survival
I have a ton more experience with survival..
naive panther
hit my dh uip to 60 on saturday, immediately skipped into m+, so much easier than warrior. not even funny how dominating dh feels
steel mauve
wish i had known the weekly would have been bg's i would have done it lol, dont know how much time i have today -.-
open monolith
Yeah when your tank is putting out damage on par with the DPS everything gets real easy
Fuck vdh lol
naive panther
dh was so easy to level with
modern brook
IDK i was comfortably tanking +4s at 160 with a 131 shield
naive panther
I feel fine during ravager
dense flame
naive panther
i played dh in legion when dh was not overtuned early on lol
I really want to keep warrior main, but I chose to raid as fury, and its dog shit still
still pagoda
warrior does not feel bad rn at all
feels bad with bad DPS/healer. But that goes for every tank spec right now. Tanks are even weaker than in BfA now
hazy osprey
warrior tank will always feel bad with low stats
i ran DOS like 15 times before my raids started this weekend and never got the trinket from hakkar now i'm suffering for it because my overall lack feels really bad
naive panther
I'm in 180s on war, keep getting poor luck from dungeons on loot
still using blue 1h and shield
hazy osprey
currently 184, get chunked really bad by Inerva and tanking Sun King's just feels impossible but it's probably stuff we're missing
naive panther
whereas I got 2 two handers from m0 first two weeks, even though i went prot spec whenever a shield was a possibility
hazy osprey
184 weapon and shield both from honor pvp gear, no lego yet but i got the wall from devourer today i just need to get soul ash and craft it
steady fiber
Hi, all any tips how not to get fu***d hard in 9+ keys ? Or i should just grind ilvl ( atm im 185ilvl and no leg, thinking wall or thunder)
sick sentinel
where do u guys get ur routes from?
strong forum
I make them myself
modern brook
I take them from nomer
modern brook
smh
steady fiber
Pay him ! For his hard work 😄
jagged pier
where do u guys get ur routes from?
I make mine
modern brook
I would but hes not affiliate
wispy tundra
I make my routes
strong forum
Hi, all any tips how not to get fu***d hard in 9+ keys ? Or i should just grind ...
In 9s you shouldn't have issues if people do what they're supposed to.
Aka dealing good dps, interrupting and so on
strong forum
I would but hes not affiliate
sour sluice
ladies and gents, would the Indomitable Darkmoon deck: https://www.wowhead.com/item=173096/darkmoon-deck-indomitable
or
Blood-Spattered Scale
https://www.wowhead.com/item=179331/blood-spattered-scale?bonus=6805:1472
be better for us for M+ paired with the Anima Field Emitter?
https://www.wowhead.com/item=180118/anima-field-emitter?bonus=6807:1498
steady fiber
Then other question, what peeps should do on Other side dung the red trolls ? I mean when they add red mask adds just nuke or cc
still pagoda
@sour sluice indom deck is hot garbage
scale is literally the best trinket you can get
field emitter is decent too
modern brook
Then other question, what peeps should do on Other side dung the red trolls ? I...
all the damage in that is avoidable
hazy osprey
my group just nukes the raging masks, i tank them on the platforms so it doesn't get crowded on the staircases
modern brook
dont stand in the circles and punch the guy
hazy osprey
you just don't stand in the bad
signal plover
You can literally clear like 75% of the masks with shockwave/stormbolt/fear just by yourself
modern brook
🧠
signal plover
Or have a NF boi use the urn
sour sluice
<@!179294465830289408> indom deck is hot garbage
thanks
open monolith
The zulgurub trolls that put the bleed on you, and the giant pull outside of the Zul'Gurub area are the only hard parts of the other side
Honestly I think lusting on that pack instead of a boss is probably the best bet
signal plover
The one at the base of stairs?
open monolith
Yeah
open monolith
Has anyone found a spires route that lets you skip the trash before the second boss and also lets you skip the stair trash before the third boss?
Those pulls are fucking nightmares
untold siren
yeah it's fucking bad
gloomy sundial
Stair trash before third boss? You can skip the middle pack by going right on the ledge and the pack on the stairs you can have someone cc the guy on the right and jump up on the right side of the wall to skip.
jagged pier
u can skip the mini boss and the pack before the stairs
and the ones on top if u have a lock
still pagoda
Has anyone found a spires route that lets you skip the trash before the second b...
stair trash is skippable. Carefully jump over the brazier near the hellion mob and move on the edge of the bridge
open monolith
@gloomy sundial Right, I know you can skip all three stair trash, what I meant was a route that gets you 100% enemy forces that doesn't need any of the three packs before the third boss, and doesn't need the pack before the second boss
Also what mini boss?
untold siren
I feel like an idiot not knowing any of those. Only skipped with a rogue
gloomy sundial
Tbh that second pack isn't too bad as you can just outrange the goliath and deal with him after killing the other two.
open monolith
We're talking about spires not necrotic wake
Does the Goliath just stand still? And not do anything if you don't interrupt him?
gloomy sundial
I think it is, not 100% sure but I do recall being able to outrange the pack before the stairs
open monolith
There's also a way you can skip the top of the stairs with just a monk and no shroud
Monk needs to paralysis the mender on the right and then ring of peace him away so there's room to walk by
wispy tundra
I skip the middle pack before the 3rd boss, spear is great when dealing with pesky packs as well
The big spears you pick up for being kyrian that is
open monolith
I pull that middle pack :o
gloomy sundial
You don't need shroud either way, rogue can sap, dh can imprison etc and you can skip the stairs pack. @open monolith
open monolith
Middle pack, and both sides of spear throwers
wispy tundra
Mind soothe if you have a priest works well too
gloomy sundial
^ true
modern brook
speaking of priest
quiet sandal
i do that too sock, ez percent
modern brook
I ran a heroic leveling alts with a preist who MC'd adds and jumped them off
does that count towards %, anyone know?
hazy osprey
it doesn't
modern brook
big rip
hazy osprey
we tested it in my group lol
modern brook
woulda been hilarious
i sorta assumed it wouldnt but it made me laugh so i was hoping
open monolith
Honestly, I feel like the trash in spires is a bit over tuned
hazy osprey
yeah one of my priest friends tried it on some mobs at the beginning of halls of atonement
when you're fighting the shards of halk
open monolith
I don't usually complain about balance, but the trash there is so much significantly harder than every other dungeon
modern brook
Honestly, I feel like the trash in spires is a bit over tuned
theres a lot of casters
open monolith
Wait can you kill enemies by mind controlling them off the edge in spires?
hazy osprey
they die but they don't give %
open monolith
Because if you can, fuck it I'll pull extra to avoid some of those ridiculous pulls
modern brook
you can do it in halls too
open monolith
That's awesome
Spires and sanguine are the 2 dungeons i actively avoid
Spires pretty much only has a decent trinket i care about.
vagrant cape
The video is trash otherwise, but the macro caught my eye
It seems to do shield block, shield slam, demo shout, avatar, revenge, and thunderclap
open monolith
That looks less like a macro and more like some bullshit script kiddie stuff that blizzard wouldn't be happy with you using
sweet summit
its also bad to use
open monolith
Don't quote me on that, but I've never seen a macro constantly switch between icons like that
It's possible it's an add-on that both recommends your next ability based on a priority list and also gives you the button for it
I know there are add-ons that show you what button you should press next, but I've never seen one that also gives you one button that you can spam
vagrant cape
That would be against tos, right?
open monolith
I'm not entirely sure
quiet sandal
no
open monolith
An add on that just tells you what to press next is not against TOS
I don't know if there is some weirdness with creating a button that constantly changes though
That looked really weird to me. I don't know what that was, but it doesn't seem very fair
vagrant cape
I know hekili recommends the next button and that's fine, but making 1 button do multiple different things sounds like something that would break tos
open monolith
Yes Griff, we know
We were discussing specifically what was happening in a video
Thank you for your input
vagrant cape
We're not debating that, I'm just trying to figure out that video
open monolith
Lol
vagrant cape
If it's legal, I wouldn't mind a watered down version that did a small priority list like shield slam > thunderclap > free revenge or something
jagged pier
eyir get him some socks
sweet summit
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
open monolith
Unsolicited feet pics
chilly brook
My eyes have been violated
vagrant cape
This is why we don't get invited to pugs
open monolith
@vagrant cape there are definitely add-ons that give you a priority like what you should press next
still pagoda
That looks less like a macro and more like some bullshit script kiddie stuff tha...
that any sane person would want you not to use or even speak of it
open monolith
But I'm positive whatever that guy was using wasn't within TOS
jagged pier
I went kyrain for a reason
still pagoda
<@117031379455180809> there are definitely add-ons that give you a priority like...
Hekili
jagged pier
I mean um
chilly brook
Yo what you got against feet?
Feet are gross
jagged pier
no i didnt 👀
still pagoda
works properly only for pala tho
manic halo
Wait...priests can mc spires mobs and Chuck em off edge???
wispy tundra
yeah 😄
manic halo
Those fucking stupid mobs that stay at range are the worst mobs in this expansion to me
At least most frustrating
vagrant cape
Yeah, I use hekili sometimes. I like it a lot for ret pally since they just play whackamole with their action bar
chilly brook
But weakauras do the same thing but better
open monolith
I used to use CLCret for enhancement back in WOTLK
chilly brook
vagrant cape
I suppose I could be arsed to set up weak auras
open monolith
Weak auras is the only add-on that I honestly consider mandatory for me
It allows me to play without staring at my hot bar
vagrant cape
I like to set up my hotbars so that they're near the center of my screen. Just the ones I use often and want to track cool downs and procs
open monolith
Yeah that's where I put my weak auras
Just beneath my character's feet
Oh and also: Masque: Darkscail
It makes everything look so much nicer
vagrant cape
The issue is that I can't seem to find a weakaura that functions exactly like a hotbar icon.
As in:
- It greys out when not available
- It shows the gcd spinny thing on it during the gcd
- It shows its cool down when on cooldown
- It shows the key that it's bound to
open monolith
That definitely exists, without the key that it's bound to
vagrant cape
If a weakaura had all of that, I'd be set. But hotbars do all of that out of the box so I just use those
chilly brook
Afaik it can do all of those
vagrant cape
Yeah, I need the key it's bound to XD
open monolith
The only one I don't know about is showing the key bind, but the weak aura set I use does everything else
chilly brook
You shouldn't need the key its bound to, muscle memory should develop fairly quickly tbh
open monolith
^
vagrant cape
Yeah, not when I play like 4 different tanks
wispy tundra
I run the timers on my buttons, but they're posted below my feet, most of my rotation is memorized by this point
chilly brook
But I'm also fairly certain you can get it done
vagrant cape
Also I'm bad
open monolith
You can build a generic muscle memory if you bind everything similarly across all your classes
chilly brook
Yeah, not when I play like 4 different tanks
Have consistent bindings across them, I play all the tanks and don't need to check the binds
open monolith
Like, Z is always my interrupt shift+c always mitigation CD, alt+~ is always self heal etc
wispy tundra
Also I'm bad
Not bad, just need more experience 😉
modern brook
you can literally just add a "3" to the icon
vagrant cape
I try to do that, but it's the little annoying things like how warrior has two mobility skills where most tanks have 1, prot warrior doesn't have a spammy single target ability if devastator is talented, etc
vagrant cape
I meant intercept and leap. I forgot that charge is separate as well... Fuck
open monolith
Intercept is Shift+Left Click on the target I want (using Clique) :)
chilly brook
Guardian druid
wispy tundra
you have rocket jump to add in as a 4th if youre goblin
chilly brook
Monk
vagrant cape
Venge has one, brew has one, pally has one. Guardian has... Oooonnee?
chilly brook
Brew has more than one
eager cairn
Does anyone know what shouts are effected by the Torghast anima power which increases damage by 20% ?
open monolith
All of them
wispy tundra
^
open monolith
Which is why the description says all of your shouts
eager cairn
battle shout as well?
chilly brook
Brew has 2 baseline 3 talented
open monolith
Well it specifically says enemies affected by your shouts
And since battleshot doesn't affect the enemy, no
chilly brook
Roll/transcendence and then tigers lust
signal plover
BATTLESHOT
eager cairn
you don't have to be facetious bro
signal plover
Yeaaaah baby
eager cairn
but thank you for your help
open monolith
I'm not being facetious at all
chilly brook
And guardian definitely has 2
open monolith
I'm answering your question
chilly brook
Dash and stampeding roar
vagrant cape
I didn't read any fecetiousness in that answer either
eager cairn
so is it just intimidating shout?
open monolith
And demoralizing shout
vagrant cape
Man, I should really subscribe to this game so I can experience all these cool post-20 abilities.
eager cairn
ah ya
open monolith
And challenging shout
signal plover
And challenging
astral crystal
open monolith
@astral crystal I don't believe that's a macro, I'm fairly certain it's something against the TOS
signal plover
You can get a power that extends a random shout duration and it can be challenging
eager cairn
ty
vagrant cape
Every comment in that video is asking to explain the add on/macro in that video XD
sweet summit
looks like a cast sequence macro with all abilities idk
open monolith
I don't know of a macro that allows the icon to rapidly change
restive flax
How high is the block difference between a 184 shield and a 200 shield?
sweet summit
big
dire jolt
any NF prot warriors able to weigh in on how it plays? I main arms for raid but tank M+ a good amount, debating switching from venth to NF seeing how it's getting closer for ST and it seems like a healthy compromise good for both roles
open monolith
200 is kike 1544 or something
wispy tundra
major
restive flax
Oooof
magic sage
Best shield between Stonewrought Gargoyles Barrier and Builwark of the Stone Legion from Nathria's token ? Haste/Crit one for pve right ?
restive flax
I don't want to do Arena LUL
open monolith
@dire jolt with current gear levels, nightfae is pretty good, but with how often we need to kite right now You're not going to get full benefit out of your covenant ability very often at higher keys
wispy tundra
Kyrian is great for kiting, lock em down and jump away
vagrant cape
So question, how is it fair that some specs have to get two pieces to "complete" their weapon while others just need a single two-hander?
open monolith
Life isn't fair, neither is wow
chilly brook
I mean...
vagrant cape
At least rerolling to venge is easy
chilly brook
It's not that big of a deal
open monolith
Only if you can live with yourself while playing a demon hunter
vagrant cape
Hmmm... Is it okay if I play all six tank specs a little bit?
vagrant cape
Or does that make me a degenerate AND a traitor?
chilly brook
Well tbh
sweet summit
yes and no
open monolith
People who only play one class forever confuse me
chilly brook
It sounds more like you're learning the game period
open monolith
I switch almost every expansion
chilly brook
So I would say it is kinda bad
still pagoda
Or does that make me a degenerate AND a traitor?
play whatever you love
open monolith
Plus if you were serious when you said you aren't subbed and so only 20, you should probably play everything so you figure out what you like
vagrant cape
I've been playing since legion on and off, but I've only really played pally and warrior in mythic raids
chilly brook
Just simply because you're introducing so many elements and changes that it might be harming your ability to get familiar with the game
But that's just my take
open monolith
I like playing things that are specifically unpopular, because I'm an MMO hipster and I want to be a special snowflake
vagrant cape
I agree with sock 100%
I played prot warrior before the buffs in bfa and quit when they got changed
still pagoda
vagrant cape
I was one of the few people on this Discord who were like, "Yo, warrior buds, we're fine. If they take IP off the gcd we're gonna be op as fuck and get nerfed next expansion"
Lo and behold
open monolith
What was the name of the shitty third mitigation tool that wasn't shield block or ignore pain
And it made mitigation real confusing
vagrant cape
Demo shout
cinder pasture
Shield barrier ? 😛
open monolith
No I'm talking about a few expansions ago
vagrant cape
Critical block?
open monolith
Yeah that's the one
vagrant cape
Oh
open monolith
Shield barrier
I remember needing to like study calculus to understand the guides for when shield barrier was better than shield block
vagrant cape
I need calculus practice. Which tank requires the most calculus in shadowlands?
magic sage
The offhand token on Stone General can only be used to redeem the vers/mastery shield over the crit/haste one. That's not right.
chilly brook
I was one of the few people on this Discord who were like, "Yo, warrior buds, we...
IP going off the GCD had very little to do with any tangible power gain
magic sage
there should two version for each ilvl.
vagrant cape
Are you sure about that? More IP uses meant more anger management cooldown reduction which meant more rage gen and it snowballed
open monolith
It's fewer global cooldowns spent spending rage and more global cooldown spent gaining rage
You might be sure, but you are wrong
honest plinth
Just timed 12HoA was pretty chill. 223 gear Inc. Yeeee boi :)
signal plover
Noyce
open monolith
Taking it off the global cooldown was a very obvious power gain
vagrant cape
What else did they give prot warrior when they buffed them in bfa?
chilly brook
You might be sure, but you are wrong
Negative chief, giving us the ability to block projectiles and BoM was much more impactful
signal plover
Lol
open monolith
The amount of power given by a different buff has nothing to do with the fact that taking IP off the global cooldown was a power gain
chilly brook
And plenty of the yellow names also said that IP off GCD was not a meaningful power gain
still pagoda
^
chilly brook
It's literally mostly QoL
sweet summit
still pagoda
and multiple people admitted that IP is not a meaningful thing unless you're using it as a rage dump
open monolith
Just because something is mostly quality of life doesn't mean it isn't also a power gain ???
vagrant cape
A quality of life change can easily be a direct buff if it makes it easier to do more damage and take less damage.
signal plover
IP off the GCD was both a power gain and a QoL improvement. But just because it was a power gain doesnt mean it was what "snowballed into us becoming OP"
open monolith
This is a stupid meaningless argument anyway, lol
vagrant cape
People shouted for "QoL changes" when they were asking for a direct buff
open monolith
Yeah I never said it was a massive power gain, but it was definitely a power gain
signal plover
You guys are just waving dicks lol
still pagoda
IP off the GCD was both a power gain and a QoL improvement. But just because it ...
it just brought enough attention on top of few gamebreaking bugs and azerite traits like pre-nerf DC
signal plover
Quit arguing about shit from 2 years ago
still pagoda
and lack of any nerfs for 2 major patches in a row
chilly brook
8.1 was just the result of power we already had being realized by people because we received some bandaid "fix"
open monolith
Would "shield block no longer costs rage" be too good of a buff?
signal plover
Wot
open monolith
Just asking a question for the sake of conversation
Sometimes I like to think of various class changes for funsies
signal plover
K
still pagoda
8.1 was just the result of power we already had being realized by people because...
same will be with 9.1 and so on again. Like literally, all tanks specs share the same problems right now. Need of extreme attention from healers and and gaps in mitigation
chilly brook
Would "shield block no longer costs rage" be too good of a buff?
Hard to know in all honesty
We dont have much of a rage feedback loop anymore
dense pivot
they pushed for gaps fr years
open monolith
I feel like it would be a pretty fun change. It would allow more revenge casts which would help with threat, and it would also help with the awkward zero rage beginning of big pulls
chilly brook
same will be with 9.1 and so on again. Like literally, all tanks specs share the...
Wdym dude blood is self sustain
vagrant cape
I feel like it would be a pretty fun change. It would allow more revenge casts w...
Haven't you played the new tutorial? Always engage with charge to generate rage for the start of a fight :P
open monolith
:| no shit lmao
still pagoda
DK is also highly susceptible to getting outright oneshot if you're not playing perfectly @chilly brook
still pagoda
i was swimming in RP in m0's wdym
though it was in m0's
where shit barely tickled
vagrant cape
Don't forget to dump excess rage into whirlwind, execute, and slam.
chilly brook
Did a fucking 5 De Other Side
vagrant cape
#Homogenization
chilly brook
Had to kite the first pack
signal plover
Yeah that big prot slam...
still pagoda
Had to kite the first pack
did the same in +8, next pack. I die from getting 3 casts into my face, group dies
interrupt that shit suka blyat
vagrant cape
Imagine not pulling every pack with shield wall up
open monolith
I literally died the moment I charged into the pack in front of Zul'Gurub. Charged -> dead. Was funny
chilly brook
still pagoda
if pugs can't be even arsed to interrupt scribe and similar shit i don't even know how much more cancerous it can be
it is already 10x the cancer of BfA pugging
open monolith
Those tiny skeleton warriors have something called bone slice that hurts REAL bad
still pagoda
Interrupting lotus
vagrant cape
I put interrupts on my meters over dps now. It's so much more telling of who I want in my groups or not
still pagoda
Those tiny skeleton warriors have something called bone slice that hurts REAL ba...
yeah, permakite is the only option. And to do so, you need DPS and healer helping you in that. With cc of course
cc, displacement and so on
open monolith
Yesterday i had a group that was:
Me: 20
paladin: 16
Dk: 14
Shaman: 14
I was so happy
vagrant cape
Damn, nice
still pagoda
zero such groups for me
open monolith
(hunter: 4) LOL
open monolith
The shaman was the healer. He was a tiny bit in over his head
chilly brook
De Other Side feels stupidly overtuned trash wise
open monolith
He admitted he was kind of new and wasn't 100% sure on what he was doing
But he did well enough
cinder pasture
I usually end up doing about 50% of all interrupts 😦
still pagoda
De Other Side feels stupidly overtuned trash wise
just like King's Rest on release
wispy tundra
That pull in front of hakar is stupid
open monolith
@chilly brook bruh. Spires..
vagrant cape
I miss legion prot pally. Covering every single interrupt in the dungeon
still pagoda
I usually end up doing about 50% of all interrupts 😦
if not 70-80%
chilly brook
Spires felt reasonably ok
signal plover
Hakkar pull is external on pull plus hero basically
open monolith
All of the trash leading to hakar is stupid. The blade storming guys have a bleed attack that chunks ridiculously
chilly brook
just like King's Rest on release
If I'm being honest most of the content feels overtuned
signal plover
Spires is super safe if your group nukes etherdivers + you're a dorf Kyrian ;)
chilly brook
The difference between a 3 and a 5 is pretty fucking stark
open monolith
I agree that everything feels a tad harder than it should, but I'm okay with it
still pagoda
If I'm being honest most of the content feels overtuned
and this makes pugging actually fucking cancerous rn. I've tried to do few 9's today. One bricked and another 4 not even completed
wispy tundra
Time your shout stun,then your spear of they spin again, storm bolt works wonders too
still pagoda
chilly brook
and this makes pugging actually fucking cancerous rn. I've tried to do few 9's t...
I dont even want to think about what pugging normal Nathria is like lmao
open monolith
The spin actually isn't the concern at all
In fact the blade storm does less damage than anything else they do
I let them cast it because it gives them less time to put that fucking bleed on me
still pagoda
this instantly reminded me of why i hate pugging since the last season
still pagoda
I dont even want to think about what pugging normal Nathria is like lmao
probably the absolute dipshit
open monolith
I had a pretty positive experience on the first five bosses
sweet summit
just pug hc 
open monolith
I wasn't able to get dark vain down in my pug
signal plover
Lotta ppl got carried to high keys by corruption stacking and a LONG season, so they're feeling entitled to those same keys again week 1 of m+ and...well this is the result
chilly brook
Lotta ppl got carried to high keys by corruption stacking and a LONG season, so ...
I mean like I said the scaling feels very off
A 3 to a 5 is huge
signal plover
Not rly, it's overtuned but not by a huge margin imo
open monolith
I don't love kiting, I know it's essential, but I would kind of like the balance to be less around kiting and more allowing a tank to be a tank
Nothing feels worse than running away from mobs as a tank
still pagoda
^
open monolith
I feel like kiting shouldn't come into play until keys above 15
chilly brook
I mean I wouldn't have expected to be having to do 5k+ hps as a blood dk and having to kite the fucking shit in a 5
And in a 3 it tickles
still pagoda
I feel like kiting shouldn't come into play until keys above 15
or at all. Blizz made another problem they can only fix by reverting all the mitigation gaps
chilly brook
Ppl doin shit with blue shields
Still have packs that slap me with shield block up with a 190 shield
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
still pagoda
Still have packs that slap me with shield block up with a 190 shield
do you know how i feel with 155 shield rn
signal plover
Just gotta play through it
chilly brook
do you know how i feel with 155 shield rn
I'd rather not know how you feel with it
signal plover
It's like, two BGs worth of honor to get a 184 shield
signal plover
Hard disagree
chilly brook
Getting slapped around in low tier content isn't fun
signal plover
With a daily win+ epic BG
sweet summit
450 conquest=ilvl 200 shield
chilly brook
Never has been
sweet summit
free
chilly brook
And it'll only get worse
Getting more gear won't help with how hard everything hits, kiting was a major thing everyone did on beta because of it
signal plover
What
Of course it's gonna help
But m+ is infinitely scaling
So there's always gonna be a threshold
dense pivot
gear good
chilly brook
Getting more gear might trivialize things under 10 but 15s are still gonna truck you because of the scaling
sweet summit
IO=clout tho wth
open monolith
I don't need to compensate with my IO score
chilly brook
We legit haven't been this squish as tanks since like early Cata
open monolith
I'm very comfortable with my smol PP
open monolith
Carton just roll a healer, switch to NA, and change your schedule to match mine
We'll make our own group, with blackjack and hookers
potent anvil
At least you guys dont tank as venthyr, right? Never use condemn...meaningful choices btw. 😞
sweet summit
i do 😔
open monolith
Venthyr tank Lole
Look I'm not going to deny the fact that condemn is possibly the most satisfying looking ability to use in the game
chilly brook
This is the first time since WoD where I'm actually considering just playing DPS
open monolith
This expansion might drive tanks away honestly
The tank drought is just going to get worse
chilly brook
Because it will
still pagoda
Carton just roll a healer, switch to NA, and change your schedule to match mine
so what you're proposing is:
-> Move to Vladivostok/Kamchatka
-> Make a new account
-> Spend time i could use to study or enjoy IRL activities to level up and gear holy pala ASAP
-> Spam holy shock for the rest of my life
chilly brook
No one wants to kite
still pagoda
still pagoda
No one wants to kite
we had enough of this in Legion
open monolith
Yeah karton
chilly brook
No one wants to feel like they're paper
open monolith
Sounds like a solid plan
I don't know where those Russian cities are that you just mentioned, but I assume those are the ones that I can see from Alaska right?
Lole
chilly brook
No one wants to fight for aggro
open monolith
Agro is actually the one thing that I think makes tanking fun
when I can use thunderclap once and then never have to worry about aggro for the rest of the dungeon I get fucking bored
I would rather worry about juggling aggro than having to kite and worry about dying every other pull
still pagoda
i'm willing to fight for aggro
but feeling like paper and having to kite once every 12-18 seconds(not accounting for bolster there)
no fucking way
I would rather worry about juggling aggro than having to kite and worry about dying every other pull [2]
open monolith
You know what feels real good though?
Charging mid heroic leap
Something about that always makes me really happy
open monolith
I don't think I would blame you bud
Raid tanking is hilariously easy compared to mythic tanking right now
still pagoda
raid tanking is a snoozefest at best
was so on most bosses at least
but interesting sometimes non the less
chilly brook
Just kinda annoyed over how shit the experience is for tanks tbh
mellow patio
I don’t know ive had a good time tanking both. If you’re good at knowing when to kite m+ ez clap
Raid tanking is only fun rn cause damage is high cause no gear
jagged pier
woo love being told im a shit tank, then none stunned the mobs that give the debuff at the start of mists, and the healer doesnt dispell the debuff
craggy harness
apparently there's a lot of bad prot tanks
jagged pier
yes when im taking 60% more damage i cant do much 🙂
craggy harness
just got praised for actually mitigating damage
mellow patio
Yes. About 20% of tanks are good at their job
craggy harness
so, it's probably everyone's default "you probably suck" mood
combine that with 80% of people just bad in general
you get 64% (is that math right?) who think you suck but suck themselves
Multiplicative percentages right? lol
still pagoda
woo love being told im a shit tank, then none stunned the mobs that give the deb...
and know you know my experience with pugs for the last year or os
people blaming tank just because they fail themselves
jagged pier
and know you know my experience with pugs for the last year or os
well i pugg most of the time as my guild always run dungeons during the day when im at work and then they dont want to when im on
they falmed me flamed the healer
and didnt cc at all
robust kite
So AMITA? I kicked everyone from the group and broke my own Key because I had 43 interrupts and the person below me had 2 and I was getting shredded the entire time from Magic damage in DoS?
jagged pier
welcome to pugging
robust kite
Like I dont understand, the rogue I brought was 630 iO .... idk what god of a tank carried him through those keys but he is one beefy dude
still pagoda
Like I dont understand, the rogue I brought was 630 iO .... idk what god of a ta...
rio doesn't matter in first month of the tier
at all
jagged pier
^^
robust kite
^ He had a +13 DoS done so I figured he knew mechanics
chilly brook
I'm oddly thinking about playing a rogue
open monolith
Yeah, honestly the carries are healers and dps
still pagoda
Yeah, honestly the carries are healers and dps
no one carries more so
jagged pier
just be toxic and youll be fine the guy flaming in my group was a rogue that did less damage than me and didnt do anything cause he was typing all the time XD
open monolith
Kek
still pagoda
blizz did a great job with this except for overnerfing tanks, but it made pugging an actual fucking unbearable cancer
chilly brook
Tbh as a tank you're doing too much focus on staying alive normally to actually carry with current tuning
robust kite
Idk any tanks that can just eat 20 shadowcores D':
wispy tundra
Yeah, that's a bit much
robust kite
I think my druid was having a heart attack
still pagoda
"a bit"
open monolith
I'm only 590 :( I need to do a Hall s and Sanguine higher than 5 to get that up
chilly brook
I'm getting my fucking ass pummeled in anything over +5 at 188
Get kicks in, use CC to make the pulls smaller
jagged pier
I'm getting my fucking ass pummeled in anything over +5 at 188
probably doing somthing wrong or no cc or interrupts or a bit of both
any logs?
chilly brook
Welcome to Shadowlands key scaling lol
robust kite
SD isn't too bad if your group doesn't stand in stuff and overlap the group with blood circle >_<
craggy harness
oh, in SD in that last bridge set of pulls
still pagoda
+184, did +9NW with 3 minutes over the timer thanks to healer being such a moron who doesn't use any cooldowns, be it throughput, externals or utility
this shit is fucked up
craggy harness
Is the overseer supposed to be separate from the other two with him?
still pagoda
pugging is literally impossibly cancerous now
open monolith
@craggy harness You can pull the overseer with the other vampire separate from the gargoyle if you taunt the overseer
jagged pier
pugging is literally impossibly cancerous now
agreed
rocky heron
Honestly, I'm chaining my CC, took storm bolt to help even.
Focusing uptime on ignore paint and shield block
I think my dps buddies aren't using any of their cc and stuff
robust kite
I'm getting my fucking ass pummeled in anything over +5 at 188
Get the trinket from DoS it can help mitigate some damage where you have gats
gaps*
craggy harness
okay... cuz i threw at whatever the lead one is, and got him and gargoyle, but not overseer
so was confused
still pagoda
agreed
it was a cancerous clusterfuck before, especially at 3k rio trap and other similar bragging rights contests. But now it is literally impossible to stay sane even after 5 keys
still pagoda
Honestly, I'm chaining my CC, took storm bolt to help even.
Focusing uptime on...
you need to focus on effective uptime of SB. By affective meaning when you take hits that are blockable. IP is nothing more than a rage dump. Kite whenever you're out of gas SB charges. If your DPS and healers don't use anything, you're fucked and this key is bricked. No matter what
craggy harness
Definitely it's not supposed to be only you taking care of CCs
robust kite
I'm just having really hit or miss pugs atm some we just completely smash the key with several minutes left
and others are just insta key breaks
rocky heron
If I strafe can the mobs hit behind my shield?
still pagoda
If I strafe can the mobs hit behind my shield?
easily. It is 180 degree radius iirc
viral token
I've been only with protection even doing WQ, thorgast... pretty much anything the game as to offer, what do you guys think? I know it's not optimal but I don't like to be constantly switching and I'm a tank at the end of the day... any comments?
marble garnet
Are you all running ravager or unstoppable force in m+?
still pagoda
strafe improperly and you're dead
still pagoda
I've been only with protection even doing WQ, thorgast... pretty much anything t...
what is not optimal?
can you put your question properly first and foremost
please
viral token
doing dps content with protection spec
jagged pier
what? any content is tank content
jagged pier
Are you all running ravager or unstoppable force in m+?
rav is better
viral token
shoudn't I be doing world quests with arms or fury ? it would be faster no ?
jagged pier
shoudn't I be doing world quests with arms or fury ? it would be faster no ?
not really, can pull more as tank
viral token
what about thorgast ?
jagged pier
tank spec is ez mode
steel mauve
Probably easier doing torgast as prot, can pull a ton of stuff and get a lot of self healing powers
craggy harness
well, to be fair, if you're going to be dps when not solo
in raid or m+
i might make another choice for first
but you should tank 😉
viral token
I don't see any reason to change the spec even when doing solo content
lavish token
Does anyone know if the "unbreakable will" legendary grant shield wall to the whole raid or just your party?
jagged pier
party
steel mauve
Just your party
viral token
well, to be fair, if you're going to be dps when not solo
lol ok but I made it clear at the beginning that I'm a tank
craggy harness
lol ok but I made it clear at the beginning that I'm a tank
Yep then no worries, but that's about the only consideration I can think of
lavish token
Thanks
timber lagoon
Anyone have Wall and TL leggos? Which feels better for m+? I like the idea of more consistent shield slam rage gen
open monolith
What is the difference in DR between a 171 and 200 shield, I wonder
jagged pier
I prefer the wall
jagged pier
What is the difference in DR between a 171 and 200 shield, I wonder
big
timber lagoon
Conquest shield super easy to get
open monolith
I can't decide if I want a rank 3 tl or craft wall next week... If we get like 1270 ash tomorrow i can go straight to rank 2 wall
craggy harness
you're lucky to have a choice 😛
steel mauve
Can do it math wise but idk the numbers this expansion
steel mauve
Do the equation with the k value and block value
open monolith
But wall is better for smoother rage and more oh shits for bigger pulls
timber lagoon
That's what I was thinking
still pagoda
But wall is better for smoother rage and more oh shits for bigger pulls
it is not an oh shit if you're using it properly
tardy parcel
<@147782879294783488> You can pull the overseer with the other vampire separate ...
This just blew my mind. Handling all 3 without having the dps die on a +8 felt like pulling teeth. Gonna try it out next time (thankfully we did time the key lol)
vale orchid
i feel a bit squishy with the current specc u get from wowhead, any talent suggestions?
jagged pier
the wowhead guide is wrong
rav is better for both damage and defence
if you need to be more tanky u take bolster as well
vale orchid
ah thank god, can someone just givve me the 1-2-3-1-2-2-3
dense pivot
here you go: 1231223
vale orchid
ty
robust kite
Anyone else just not getting loot? I'm 14 M+ Dry just anima
jagged pier
no silver that is an aweful build
vale orchid
jakey give me yours then:D
jagged pier
2/3, (what ever), 2, 1/2, 2. 3. 1/3
vale orchid
eveything to make me tanky tbh
tall mural
I've gotten no loot above a four but I've done up to 10 lol.
jagged pier
then 3,3,2,1,2,3,3
tall mural
Really want a new shield
vale orchid
@jagged pier thanks alot
im mainly arms, signet works fine with both ravager and avatar i geuss
doesnt seem like signet procs from ravager as prot
open monolith
I haven't seen a single afflock all expansion
dense pivot
what about dps warriors?
marble garnet
Are you guys running bolster or anger management in m+?
dense pivot
I think people in pug scene just forced to change to meta classes, well warrior is a popular class so some still trying to play them
vale orchid
higher keys make bolster pretty mandatory, just did a 13+ was just crazy tbh
chilly brook
I haven't seen a single afflock all expansion
Odd since they're performing really well in raid
novel surge
Should i be running lightless force? I see people using ascended vigor and Celestial Guidance too
strong forum
lightless does slightly more dmg on aoe
celestial guidance is solid though, and 10x cheaper
novel surge
if im raid tanking tonight should it be lightless force?
solemn night
has anoyne tried naything w/ gluttonous spike
strong forum
its solid
newsflash
its better to play AM+The Wall in de other side
as like 80% of dmg in there is fucking magic
and the 2min CD on bolster just isnt gonna cover shit for inner circle or hakkar wing
dire jolt
I dont have either legendary but I'm starting to feel like the wall is a safer choice than TL for M+, between more SW and better for bosses
open monolith
I want you to close your eyes.
Now imagine we had legendaries as fucking busted as Guardian Druid has
How do you feel?
fierce tendon
i feel unappreciated
open monolith
Lol
fierce tendon
still pagoda
Forget that you ever had any appreciation
open monolith
I enjoyed brew in Legion
fierce tendon
I played guardian during the first few raids in legion and it was so insanely broken, I like wars playstyle infinitely more though
sick sentinel
well, for dps warrior, asmon was doing CN normal and had dog shit dps, then he got N sword and his dps went up like, alot
fierce tendon
I was pretty sure a lot of attack based classes like that get cucked early on dps because most of their dps is just based on hitting
sick sentinel
warrior is all about the weapon and/or shield that you have and they carry you.
sick sentinel
speaking of, i need to do more torghast
still don't like monk or disc healers, anything else is preferable
fierce tendon
Does anyone have problem with druid or am I just thinking they're dogshit heals so far
open monolith
Yogi did you know that if you stop watching asmongold You will instantly become 10 times better at the game?
sick sentinel
resto is fine becuase its so brain dead that they are also catweaving and doing markers and dungeon non combat shit lmao
open monolith
That dude's eyebrows have higher APM than he does
pastel sleet
Where will be the best place to watch WF race tomorrow?
open monolith
Twitch