the wall ?
#protection
west prairie
sturdy sable
The wall (raid) thunderlords (aoe m+)
Signet i think is king if your pushing tank dps tho
undone jacinth
naw
open monolith
I am so confused. I got literally instagibbed on a +9 DOS by the mobs in front of Zul'Gurub. I ran this exact same in Tuesday and didn't have an issue. Both my durability and pride took a hit
It was Charge -> dead.
tawny fossil
shadowcore lol
sturdy sable
You hit a speed bump
open monolith
We were all real confused
undone jacinth
interrupt or die
mighty cairn
yeah that's happened a few times to me on high keys
some packs kill on first spell cast
open monolith
Nah it was something called boneslice
narrow ivy
ohh
open monolith
Got hit by 3 of them in a row for about 10k each the INSTANT i charged in
sturdy sable
Shoulda blocked harder sock
narrow ivy
yeah what I do is shield wall mid-charge
open monolith
yeah I'm definitely going to next time. The only reason I was so surprised is cuz we ran this key earlier in the week and this did not happen
narrow ivy
you need to go in with your defensives ready
sturdy sable
Really mean it when you block
open monolith
We still ended up meeting the timer
tawny fossil
nice!
sturdy sable
As if your life depends on it
open monolith
But it was real funny just watching my health go from 100% to zero in about half a second
narrow ivy
lol
I charge in with Shiwld Wall up, TC, then start spamming IP like my life was on th eline
cause it is
sturdy sable
Gotta ignore that pain harder
narrow ivy
make sure you charge into the Deathspeaker to interrupt that first Shadowcore too
sturdy sable
Lmao
glacial skiff
ok so using avatar as prot with signet pros bladestorm...
undone jacinth
yeh lol
glacial skiff
you can't dodge, parry, or block while bladestorming right?
sturdy sable
Cons bladestorm
undone jacinth
indeed
mighty cairn
that's how the stitchwerk room in NW feels also
glacial skiff
thats stupid
mighty cairn
running around getting clapped by everything
undone jacinth
u look cool af tho
glacial skiff
why didn't they make it so it procs ravager lol
open monolith
We did +10 NW and those stitch bois definitely hurt, but we had an all ranged group so I could actually kite
undone jacinth
just parry
narrow ivy
open monolith
Reeeeee
sturdy sable
Just riposte them
narrow ivy
this is how I felt when I forgot to use cds, charged in then got slamfucked
as I was mid-charge it hit me and I was like "oh"
"oh no"
open monolith
I actually think I might switch to the wall for mythic plus
There are a lot of times I wish I had shield wall
sturdy sable
I run it
narrow ivy
I don't have any legendaries atm
sturdy sable
Having shield wall for like every other pack is great
open monolith
TL It's going to be better when we start gearing stuff to the point that we don't need to kite in 15's
narrow ivy
is it weird to clear +8 with no legendaries
open monolith
Because it pumps harder
mighty cairn
the one good part of prot is every torghast layer is braindead easy
open monolith
JESUS ROLLER SKATING CHRIST
sturdy sable
Even easier as a night elf
narrow ivy
I run torghast with me as Arms and a friend as WW
sturdy sable
Just rush the boss and meld
open monolith
it is snowing.... And this has negatively impacted the temperature of the water in my bidet
Was like a penguin's beak right up the hole
mighty cairn
bro are you typing on the toilet
sturdy sable
Great way to wake up in the morning
open monolith
I'm really happy I could share that with you
sturdy sable
Your not?
mighty cairn
ok fair enough
open monolith
I thought we are all on the toilet
vagrant cape
I'm on the bench
sturdy sable
Oof
narrow ivy
Hey I just sat down on the toilet
sturdy sable
One of us
narrow ivy
god bless laptops
once I get geared up enough I hope to M+ while pooping
that seems like the dream
sturdy sable
Then you really can be shittin angry
narrow ivy
hell yea
vestal cypress
The uptime on our mitigation seem very low, in +12, packs don’t die in 3 shield block charge. Last stand without bolster isn’t even big.
narrow ivy
I tank like Prot but I shit like Fury
sturdy sable
Lol
narrow ivy
That's why I use Bolster, @vestal cypress
vestal cypress
Ya but bolster don’t work well with wall leggo
sturdy sable
Uhhh
narrow ivy
Shield Block 3 times, then Bolster LS, Shield Block again, then just start crying
sturdy sable
The leggo works without AM
vestal cypress
I know but it’s better with AM.
sturdy sable
I thought the whole draw of the wall was the rage gen anyways
narrow ivy
it's mostly the rage gen
sturdy sable
Like thats what I'm using it for
narrow ivy
but it falls off compared to Thunderlord iirc
narrow ivy
cause having Demoralizing Shout on a 20sec cd is nuts
and you can put it on legs which is crazy stat weights
vestal cypress
I just feel like key aren’t doable without a mm for binding shot or boomy for vortex and treat to kit after 12
sturdy sable
I mean
narrow ivy
I might still craft the Wall though cause eventually we'll get to use two legendaries I hope
sturdy sable
I crafted the wall first
narrow ivy
and imagine The Wall + that one that gives Shield Wall to party
signal plover
Every tank needs some degree of kiting atm
sturdy sable
^
vestal cypress
Even with shield block, still get hit hard
mighty cairn
on tough packs I literally just Intervene + Leap out and book it
signal plover
Especially at 10+
sturdy sable
We are under geared and no one really knows alot about the dungeons
narrow ivy
I'm only 192
sturdy sable
Not everyone got beta access
signal plover
If you're getting hit hard with SB, other tanks are getting crunched as well
narrow ivy
also your shield matters
sturdy sable
^
signal plover
Yes very much
sturdy sable
I went from a 160 to a 200 shield and the diff was night and day
sturdy sable
I think if your gonna push a key mists would be the one to do it on
vestal cypress
Man I just wish bolster to be on indormable row, is that too much to ask?
signal plover
But then no indom?
vestal cypress
I take bolster over that any day, take AM with wall LEGO.
signal plover
K
vestal cypress
Maybe that’s the 9.1 dream?
signal plover
AM baseline is the 9.1 dream
vestal cypress
Bring back 8.3 talent keke
signal plover
K
limpid pawn
high folio
is there a macro to cast SoB on my current target
vagrant cape
/cast [@fluid parrotget] Spear of Bastion
whoops, sorry @fluid parrot
I don't know the exact wording on Spear of Bastion itself, but that should be the macro setup @high folio
vagrant cape
community sees prot as the worst tank, so they look for anything else. Realistically, the tanks are so close it shouldn't matter, but people like to be as optimal as possible
vagrant cape
even if one tank is 2% better than the rest, they'll make up >50% of the m+ groups
and the inverse is true for any tank that is perceived as 2% worse than the rest
marble garnet
im 100% sad
vagrant cape
I'd recommend finding a guild and grouping with people who realize how insignificant the tank differences are (VDH not included)
There could also be a completely unrelated reason, but that's my theory, at least
vagrant cape
pretty well
vagrant cape
the thing is, all tanks are getting fucking decimated by 10s or higher
VDH just kites, goes in for burst, and then kites some more
prot warrior has far fewer kiting tools
and they don't outdps DPS specs, so packs live longer and thus do a lot more damage
vagrant cape
VDH isn't really any tankier than any other tank. Far from it, actually
heavy sail
Intervene and heroic leap are pretty good for kiting
A bit micro intensive to manage between mitigation though
marble garnet
yeah, i've felt reasonably good with kiting
vagrant cape
our greatest asset? spell reflect probably. And our insane phys mitigation
but the problem is a ton of damage in dungeons is magic
heavy sail
Worst things I’ve felt with Prot have been the weakness to magic damage
marble garnet
^
heavy sail
And threat generation is pretty bad.
vagrant cape
Tanks NEED a good group to not get smushed in Shadowlands right now. Kicking and CCing properly is crucial
heavy sail
Sometimes if you take the pull and miss a revenge or thunderclap on a mob on a high key
The DPS will die in the small window of time before you can get aggro back
vagrant cape
yeah, I'm thinking the threat buff happening in a couple days will fix that
heavy sail
I’ve been reasonably successful tanking in spite of those though, the physical mitigation is great.
Some fights you take almost no damage between SB/IP
wicked lantern
Spires and Plaguefall make me wish spell reflect gave the 20% reduction for the duration and then reflect one spell too. 😩
heavy sail
The miniboss in necrotic wake is always what gets me
Unless you have a group with good CC it’s a wrap lol
You die in like 3 casts
wicked lantern
My group has been CCin two of them and then killing the mini boss and one with the orb lol
vagrant cape
yeah, I've stopped looking at the dps in my meters and I look at interrupts now
that's so much more important to me
I'll take a crappy dps that knows how to kick any day of the week
Shamans? I fuckin love 'em
heavy sail
I usually aim for H/M/R if I can.
wicked lantern
Had a PUG blame me for dying too much when interrupts were 15-me, 5, 2. Like wut....
heavy sail
I don’t take that shit anymore lol
If a group is doing the absolute minimum braindead gameplay when I’m trying to time
I just bail
jaunty vector
I feel like I have rage issues or maybe im just devisating too much
eager iron
Those of you who have done the 2nd pull in De Other Side +8 without dying, what is your secret? The one with the mage.
quiet stream
^ pally healer lay on hands saved me in my 9 other side
wicked lantern
CC the cultist and focus kicks on shadowcore. Then pray your healer doesn’t get blasted of the platform by the purple beam. Think it’s called darkness or something like that.
solemn night
How good is gluttonous spike from Hungering Destroyer?
fringe marten
Anyone have a suggestion for a good addon that I can change the target frame (take the gold dragon border away/etc) and be able to modify my focus target (cotank) so I can see debuff icons easily with stacks/etc (default blizzards is bleh) without a full ui overhaul like Elvui
Lilsloth...when you say 'second' pull what do you mean?
(peoples routes/etc will be different so?)
wicked lantern
ThreatPlates has always treated me well.
fringe marten
I use KUI nameplates for that; I don't see a option in kui to mess around with that. Maybe I should try threat plates?
wicked lantern
Yea should be able to do what you want. Let’s you change healthbar size, transparency of target/non target, color for threat, elite icons, debuff icon size/placement, font of names....ton of stuff. Watch a video on YouTube first maybe, might give you an idea if you’ll like it
vagrant cape
Plater is really nice, I'm trying it out this expansion and I'm pleased
eager iron
Anyone have a suggestion for a good addon that I can change the target frame (ta...
The pack before going into Hakars temple
fringe marten
lemme look at mdt quick.
the actual hakkar boss room or you mean his 'wing' of the dungeon?
Is that the one with the pot in the corner? or is that the ardenweald side?
eager iron
Is that the one with the pot in the corner? or is that the ardenweald side?
That is the ardenweald side.
fringe marten
that might be the pack we hero on fort ? I think it has been.
but it's definitely at least a full CD pack, meaning... you get threat, and bvecause of the way mobs are spread (you pull the whole area btw) you may have to use challenging shout to secure the pull
kick the main caster, make sure you have threat, they will all compress together (the focus should be the raptors IMO, not the big caster, but you can have people focus interrupts on him)
and at this point you're like 2 or 3 seconds into the pull..
the mobs start to collapse, and once you are sure you can hit most or all of them with shockwave..do so
Now pop shield wall (or maybe before hand)
and if your group has aoe stuns, start to cycle them.
eager iron
Hmm ill try that. Ty for the help!
fringe marten
and I think ? SOME of those mobs can be feared? I can't remember or not
I use intim shout anyway..it's habitual
a lot of warriors forget about intimidating shout, you can use it as a group interrupt
you see a few cast bars going, and you can't stun/reflect 'em..(or they're buffs) you intim shout
solemn night
@strong forum Hey - I saw that you said that Gluttonous Spike is great from Hungering Destroyer - is there a specific reason why? Out of these trinkets (200 gluttonous spike, 184 Anima Field Emitter, 187 Decanter, and the 171 blood-splattered scale), would you still use the gluttonous spike?
fringe marten
and if you're new to keys or doing low ones, you may not realize that you really can't tank packs for long, especially not in this expansion now. after a couple shield blocks..your shockwave...etc (and a demo shout of course) a small/normal pull should be falling apart and you shouldn't need a ton more mitigation because it's dying...of course you'll still have to interrupt a key cast or two.
Bigger pulls not only require defensive cooldowns from you, but the dps as well...if they can't burst the pack and have it falling apart by the time your cd's have cycled through..and you're mostly out of defensives... you aren't doing enough damage.
('you' meaning..the group as a whole) A lot of this doesn't hold true at very high key levels, but very high key levels usually require a certain comp, and a planned strategy/interrupts etc for most pulls.
Good examples of that often come from DrJays videos.
minor sparrow
how do we feel about fueled by violence for m+
fringe marten
Binnington what's the Decanter trinket you're talking about?
Nilloc from what people have tested it's quite weak.
minor sparrow
hm okay
fringe marten
I thought it was gonna' be hot shit too...then I looked at the actual damage number deep wounds does.
crisp dragon
I think deep wounds deal decent damage, but since its only like 21% of that that dmg, it's like 2% of all the damage you do is healing
fringe marten
At my current gear/etc deep wounds is doing 1451 damage, over 15 seconds. (yes it basically stays up forever though)
so just round that up, make it an easy number to deal with..1500 damage, 15 seconds.
so what does that mean it does? 100 damage per second, on each mob it's hitting
crisp dragon
It would have to be at least like 40% before I would even consider it
fringe marten
What is (again just use round quick numbers to get an idea) your conduit doing? 20% or so right?
20% of 100 is..? 20
crisp dragon
21% on nm difficulty
fringe marten
20 hp a second, per target...20 hp.
It would have to be on dozens of targets to have any kind of meaningful heal amount
and if you're tanking dozens of mobs in any form of challenging content...the heal it's providing has absolutely no chance of helping you live.
even with squished Shadowlands HP, at my current gear I'm 47,850 hp. 20 HP can go F itself.
Now look at Brutal Vitality. the 171 is about 5% of your damage, contributes to boosting your active ignore pain
your DAMAGE
How much damage are you doing with like..shield slam..etc?
thousands of damage right? 5% of that isn't too bad
crisp dragon
I think if you say like 3k dps, thats pretty average
fringe marten
Right but it's not going to work like that, not the way IP really does. You're going to have a chunk of IP up (small chunk..because IP got straight gut punched after the second or third week of legion..and now it's bleh)
But you're going to have a little absorb shield up for like..a second, before something touches you and deletes it.
crisp dragon
It still isn't much, persoanlly only think that works is shield wall cd reduc, maybe last stand rage regen just to make last stand slightly relevant again
fringe marten
But before that happens, 5% of your shield slam, or whatever you're doing will add a little bit to it...but that little bit is going to be FAR more than the 20 or 40'ish+ hp that the deep wounds regen would have healed you.
and it's damage PREVENTION..rather than recovery. which is even better.
Either way, both conduit nodes are providing a very small survivability boost..one is just better in nearly any conceivable scenario than the other.
what the... looking at dungeon table. Why have I never noticed Slimy Consumptive Organ?
It's a stam trinket..granted.. but that heal looks like it could be legit with it's cooldown/ etc.
Oh the decanter of anima charged winds, ..yeah it's an outstanding M+ dps trinket.
jagged pier
organ isnt legit
fringe marten
Does the spare meathook actually scorpion mobs~ or does it just apply a bleed at the targets location and slow them?
really..odd. Even at 184 ilevel that's basically a 4000 damage heal every 20 seconds, IF it stacks to max within 20 seconds.
that's stronger than the Beating abomination core which people like (and it is pretty good for healing)
But that's all dependant on it stacking to max within that 20 second window, and how 'quickly' the grubs move to you
If the spare meat hook pulls mobs into you I'm about to do anything it takes to get one immediately.
crisp dragon
There's just too many on-use trinkets, Im so tired of using 2 different ones, mine are garbage anyway
fringe marten
I like it, but I know what you mean. lots of people are complaining about it.. but there's proc trinks as well.
crisp dragon
I just don't have enough keybinds available to have all this shit, like realistically I got like 8 buttons more than BFA
fringe marten
Yup. I had to do some shifting and relearning as well.
basically I had to rework a bunch of macros with control modifiers as well as the shift ones I had before.
lavish oracle
Unnerving focus feels very good
grand drum
what are people's end of dungeon dps looking like right now?
lavish oracle
2.5k ish, usually
a little more, a little less based on the dungeon and how much we fuck up
I don't think I'm playing the highest DPS build or getting the most damage I can, though
lots of room for improvement
fringe marten
Yeah, since raiding is our main focus I had to build, and continue to rank up 'the wall' shoulders.. I won't be making the Tlord legendary for a while..but I'd imagine thsoe boost our overall damage a good bit in M+
lavish oracle
I'm actually itching to try the wall out in keys
fringe marten
well..lol..it's all i've been using
turbid cargo
same
lavish oracle
Tlord's is just kinda boring
fringe marten
it just makes it feel more like bfa again, where you're demo shouting a lot.
turbid cargo
I'm loving the availability of shield wall and the extra rage
lavish oracle
Yeah, I'm sick of kiting, I just want more mitigation uptime
fringe marten
aye, I think it helps because every time in disc I'm asking "you guys got coolies ready?" my shield wall is up.. so I'm able to actually stay and tank and dps the pack instead of being a lil BISH and having to kite (but I have to kite sometimes too.. 😦
lavish oracle
Yeah, i don't imagine I'll have to not kite, just less
jagged pier
I'm actually itching to try the wall out in keys
I prefer it to TL
lavish oracle
Yeah, I was pretty sure I was going to prefer it but I got impatient and also won't have the money to upgrade to rank 3 next week anyways so I just built a Tlord's rank 1 to run with this week 😄
fringe marten
If you fully committed to it, and also went AM and Unstoppable force...you'd be back to doing strong damage constantly; but also getting your cheeks clapped a lot more often.
jagged pier
If you fully committed to it, and also went AM and Unstoppable force...you'd be ...
it less damage than ravager
fringe marten
...god that's so lame
proven herald
but why? ravager is so cool
fringe marten
..yeah the first couple times this xpac when it was 'new' instead of cookie cutter
but then..it's just another global I had to work into a cast@fluid parrotget/ground shift cast (spear/ravager if talented)
restive flax
Whats your guys opinion on the Sun King Trinket?
jagged pier
Whats your guys opinion on the Sun King Trinket?
trash
proven herald
Ι got my shield from conquest
fringe marten
grats bud. I actually got my 200 shield from raid..so, was at least happy about that.
open monolith
\o/
jagged pier
still running a m0 shield
fringe marten
However...after 3 nights of no loot (from raid)
I got the heroic belt with socket from Lady Inerva...and I had a 171 blue belt before that.
42 ilevel upgrade...yeet
proven herald
thoughts on using the pvp trinkets? The battlemaster one can help if you need a defensive, the versatility/strength proc one can be decent
fringe marten
Also, when he said "what do you think of sun king trinket" I was like "oh..sunking has a cool trinket..?" then I looked...yeah...he's one of the bosses you go fury/arms spec for..to LITERALLY remove that trinket from the loot table.
That trinket is a new version of a trinket that used to be used as a meme here.
From nightwell? some..dagger hilt thing, whatever...MAD garbage.
And that shields stats are basically identical to the raid shield too, it's solid for sure.
still pagoda
really good mention of kiting for all tanks was done by Dorki in his M+ group organisation vid. I would advice watching it anyway
even without intent to look up the kiting hint
fringe marten
The slow (new slow) from Tclap, @30% doesn't stack on Honey potpie right?
can we even still use honey potpie?
jagged pier
@still pagoda after half a night of hc, my guild is 1 boss behind your old meta slave guild when i think theyve done 2 nights 👀
fringe marten
where you guys stop tonight jake?
fringe marten
nice! he's not so bad.. I really wish we didn't change our strat half way through. We were doing it normal..and people were learning it, was getting s moother...got him to 30%
then someone was like "but what if we play PORTAL..and put the 2 portals in front of each other to stop the pull in.." which turns the end of the fight into OHMYGODLASERSEVERYWHERE!!!!!
when the whole raid is stacked in 1 line
jagged pier
well that was the strat on beta
fringe marten
yeah..no..it's trash
jagged pier
but theyve put a cd on the teleporting
fringe marten
the obvious intended way to kill it, is easy..people just have to do their jobs like any other raid.
yeah you space them just enough AND run against the pull
and it clears the 3 sec port immune
fringe marten
and the second portal can still be outside the kill box of the sword.
we're 10/10n and 6/10 heroic...got the council to late phase 3 (killing the fencer ? guy last..with the gargoyle..YO that gargoyle scary)
tomorrow we're going to see if we can down them and end at 7/10 for the week. No way we have the throughput for heroic Sludge.
still pagoda
sludge is heavily overtuned
fringe marten
It's not even the dps
still pagoda
not on the side of tank damage though
fringe marten
if we cut down to our strong players, and didn't carry any of the weaker folks...we'd have the dps. the healing is BNANS
still pagoda
it's overall throughput. Healing and dps EHP checks are immense
sadly, i'm out of raiding for now so imma just spam some M+
had few yesterday after a 5 days break
now it's time to get serious
and spam 10's
jagged pier
havent even done a 10 yet 
still pagoda
maybe will spam 10's all night and get myself into some kind of group this way
fringe marten
my first 10 was Mists.
still pagoda
i have +9 in my bag rn
fringe marten
I don't like..and like the seasonal affix.
still pagoda
necrotic wake, so it's easy as fuck
seasonal affix is basically reverse reaping
so it's gonna be fine
fringe marten
Necro wake is "Do you know how to first boss..?" How are people dealing with that on 'high' keys (folks doing 15/16's now)
Not the grubs; those I get...the actual FORCED damage from the vomit
if you can't somehow quickly outrange his vomit..it locks on to you and tracks...so? is it always easily survivable? could you use the corner of the stage behind him maybe to LOS it?
Bro
still pagoda
i just leap away from the cone
fringe marten
are you using heart of azeroth still?
still pagoda
right away
fringe marten
Karton; his vomit locks to non tanks usually.
still pagoda
3 weeks in a row and no shield
still pagoda
Karton; his vomit locks to non tanks usually.
you know how pugs stand 99% of the time
so i have to get out of it anyway
fringe marten
no I'm talking about in a coordinated group..but let's say it's next week..ya' know..when he Tyranz~~~
Do they just HAVE to take the vomit?
(obvious stuff like iceblock/cloak..etc not withstanding)
fringe marten
yeah but you know what I mean.
I just got a 200 of the crystal from DoS...kinda' diggin' it. Now actually considering rocking 2 on use. that crystal, and the 194 spattered scale.
still pagoda
it is either a bug or just unavoidable by intent(which would mean that the dungeon journal description is incorrect)
another possible way of dealing with this is to spread DPS/healer around the boss
it may just lock onto you in the initial cast
fringe marten
it's by intent..it tracks the target. But I'm wondering if we can position him so you could LOS behind like the edge of one of the pillars or edge of the stage ?
no it tracks...for sure. otherwise it would literally be a non mechanic.
rich folio
Is anyone else's signet legendary not working as prot?
fringe marten
Signet legen..? the ring?
rich folio
Despite going ravager, I'm still using bladestorm when I avatar
fringe marten
it rando casts either of the other 2.
rich folio
and when I ravager it doesnt activate either Avatar or Recklessness
fringe marten
So you either get..a cool recklessness proc at reduced power..or you get FUCKED as you bladestorm.
Rook..
When you cast avatar.
still pagoda
Is anyone else's signet legendary not working as prot?
everyone knows it doesn't work with prot ravej
ever since beta
fringe marten
it will randomly cast Bladestorm, or Reck
still pagoda
You've done fucked up
rich folio
No thats not how it works. I use it as Arms and it turns your bladestorm to ravager
So it is bugged then
fringe marten
It does in torghast (there is an identical ability in torghast you get as an anima power)
Oh..I don't know how arms warrior do~
still pagoda
blizz fucked up with triggers on signet leggo
still pagoda
but whatever, it was luckluster even without this fuck up
fringe marten
As a prot warrior you just don't make that ring..at least not for a very long time.
fringe marten
Yeah it would have to GUARANTEE it procs a weaker Reck every time I hit avatar and then it's just a cool dps boost ring.
still pagoda
both TL and Wall for example
lavish oracle
Presumably we'll have enough Soul Ash to craft them all eventually
and keep our BiS ones up to date
fringe marten
of the ones I have now...
Tlord... Unbreakable will might even have raid value? eh..not really.
And Reprisal...like who the FK even decided to code that?
lavish oracle
I could imagine Unbreakable Will being used in some really high damage raid fights, maybe
or for some cheese strat
fringe marten
Hell Echo of Eonar might even be snazzy whenever we can get it.
Unbreakable will would be for some M+ bs
unless it hits the whole raid
lavish oracle
probably just 5 in raid, if I had to guess
fringe marten
As arms don't you make Unhinged leggo?
And does Exploiter work with uhh? the Venthyr thing everyone gets.. if they're arms
You know the spicy shadow damage execute thing...that I had for 2 hours of questing.
lavish oracle
Condemn
fringe marten
yee
fringe marten
I don't even care...I saw preaches video about various abilties and saw the thing some DK's are using, the slappy hands covenent ability... and realized I won't ever have anything that cool.
Right; but exploiter would be awesome...if it works with condemn.
If it doesn't...RIP
still pagoda
Right; but exploiter would be awesome...if it works with condemn.
condemn shares all the triggers with execute
so it will
fringe marten
Woo...man, now I can almost consider..never possibly playing arms or fury, but thinking..if I did, it might be fun..that won't ever happen.
lavish oracle
well, I could but it'd be over kill
still pagoda
Woo...man, now I can almost consider..never possibly playing arms or fury, but t...
exploiter is basically old Executioner's Precision from Legion
nothing new here
Except that it is nerfed even further
OG EP gave 75% damage per stack
and it was an artifact trait for arms
fringe marten
Yeah but I don't remember that. I had every warrior legendary from legion but...only used stuff for prot. Which is why I'm a little moist for the Leaper Legendary.
Is leaper good for any content over any of the good leggos? nope... Was the leap shoulders + the runspeed boots THE HOTTEST SHIZ EVER in legion? YES
lavish oracle
How are peeps dealing with aboms in the necropolis in wake?
Just saving armaments for them?
fringe marten
Oh yeah i know what you mean Karton; I remember that now. When I tried arms spec for literally like 2 hours, was building the weak auras for them (and was making all the triggers for the stacks of EP) then gave fury a shot...and insta ditched arms. I suck at dps warrior ..but if I'm playing it, I'm playing EASY dps warrior.
crisp dragon
Man we're like 14 days into expac, and Im already tired of being a Shield wall machine, everything I do is to reduce the CD of Shield wall
ionic fern
👀
fringe marten
Eh..we have had that before, and it was meh. In legion we had the same thing, I think it was "and the walls fell" or something? a ring?
crisp dragon
Bro, I think Ill break the world record speedrun of shield wall CD someday soon
fringe marten
Azathoth..? You mean the guys who stack the tenderize?
hallow phoenix
How are peeps dealing with aboms in the necropolis in wake?
We save all three hammers for the stitchwerks and goregrind
You can reset your tenderize stacks with hammer
lavish oracle
@fringe marten yeah
fringe marten
so the dps and healer hold hammers the whole way, and you manage spears/orbs?
hallow phoenix
Also save spears for that trash
fringe marten
makes sense
lavish oracle
That was my question mostly
hallow phoenix
I let my dps do spears
crisp dragon
DING DING DING DING NEW WORLD RECORD, Shield wall in 1 minute and 5 seconds
lavish oracle
Yeah, okay, hm, my DPS keep using the hammer early
fringe marten
Hm...the spear hits everything in a line on the way to it's target.. so I can see why you might use it on that trash.
lavish oracle
Nice
hallow phoenix
Our spriests fades and I aoe taunt or hold threat with orb other dps
lavish oracle
I popped spear for like 30k DPS earlier near the start of the dungeon
It was amazing
fringe marten
On a tyran week I can see it; I've only done up to 8 and 9 necro wake and they weren't that bad. But any higher and it's going to be ...raunchy in the surgeons area.
I meant..on a fort week~
right now..a low teens or even a 11/12 Necro wake in that surgeon room will be Sus AF.
lavish oracle
I did an 8 earlier 4 stacks of tenderize was starting to get spooky
hallow phoenix
Hammer to reset stacks
lavish oracle
It'd be easy if I had a hunter or boomy in the group
fringe marten
Yeah but at 4 stacks the pack is gone and it's just him..and you can leap..and intervene around.
hallow phoenix
Spear to delete mobs
You shouldnt kite him
Mutilate will hit the closest target
Usually a one shot on dps
lavish oracle
You can kite the tenderize maybe, and come back in to eat mutilate?
strong forum
DING DING DING DING NEW WORLD RECORD, Shield wall in 1 minute and 5 seconds
Maybe World Record inside your room 
55sec is the time to beat
oblique hill
Yep. Leap away for tenderize. It should insta cast it again on melee.
crisp dragon
Oh yeah, Ill challenge that
oblique hill
Then go in for mutilate.
jagged pier
Maybe World Record inside your room <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
55sec is th...
are you running SW conduit or LS conduit out of interest?
strong forum
LS for bolster
SW for am
lavish oracle
Some high apm tanking tight there
fringe marten
The only issue with having your strat built around using weaponry in that area is, it's all or nothing strat. Which I guess any time you're talking about pushing high or aggressively timed keys...you plan for 100% success, not mistakes and wipes.
jagged pier
LS for bolster
SW for am
thought so thanks
lavish oracle
I really like the LS conduit
hallow phoenix
How is it all or nothing
lavish oracle
Makes me feel very tanky during last stand
strong forum
Well, in higher keys, using the weaponry upstairs is the best way to deal with the dungeon @fringe marten
You don't plan around failure
fringe marten
Am I wrong here? You die with the weapons...they're gone right? (or die after use)
Nom, that's what I just said.
lavish oracle
Yeah, they are
fringe marten
But yeah..that spot is angry, the bosses are not an issue.
hallow phoenix
Not having weapons for upstairs is all or nothing imo. Planning to not have your strongest tools for the hardest part is spooky
fringe marten
How exactly does the spear hit work? anything it travels through gets damage/debuff? So you aggro, then leap/intervene someone to create a line of mobs? or is it an aoe where it strikes?
hallow phoenix
And like others mentioned, if you do lose hammers or whatever there are other ways to deal with tenderize
It's a fat pierce
hallow phoenix
It's like drawing a line to the mob with a thick sharpie. Anything in that line gets hit
fringe marten
right..ok so how I thought after I saw it on tank notes.
fringe marten
Right, orb is aoe interrupt.
hallow phoenix
Orb is also stupid high damage
fringe marten
yeah shield is mad garbo, you're suppressed when you use it..why would they do that?
How are you guys dealing with the vomit on the first boss? whomever targeted just use a personal?
fringe marten
and the grubs spawn regardless right? it's not if a target is hit..they simply spawn with the ability
fringe marten
those are easy. I pull him up on to the stage and just go back and forth from one side to the other.. so the grubs get killed at range.
I know some groups also cc them like mass entangle, etc..
Much more important question, the 7th Legionnaire Shoulderplates... the big square lion head ones, they're blue..and say they're a quest reward. Are those still available in game?
Xmog is like at least 43% of playing prot warrior.
Your shit gotta' look savage or your mitigation goes down~
strong forum
Those are from Warfronts
fringe marten
Hm... may have to retire KUI nameplates and go with plater. just watched dratnos video from a year ago about it...looks a lot more comprehensive than KUI. I love dratnos..knowledgable and helpful guy.. but his eyes, I don't like what they do He always be lookin' at me like he wants my number..
Yeah I heard they were, is it just one of the quests in the WF?
fringe marten
His eyes go all wide and he starts hittin' you with the Asmongold eyebrow action.. and I just don't know how to feel about it.
strong forum
For doing your weekly warfront
fringe marten
oh, I barely ever touched the warfronts. that would explain why I never got the cool looking set.
That set looks baller honestly.
I assume Kui nameplates and plater would conflict with each other on various things?
strong forum
Si
2 different nameplate addons conflict with each other and stuff starts to bug out
lavish oracle
I love dratnos, always seems like he's having fun with the game and he's really good about answering questions
fringe marten
yeah I figured; plater looks substantially more comprehensive. I probably should have switched to it a long time ago.
That's the problem with him
There's no way you're playing wow right, if you're having fun and enjoying it.
lavish oracle
Lol
fringe marten
There is absolutely no room for positivity here.
strong forum
That's a take
jagged pier
thats what im getting Karton did like 2.7k is my best I think so far
still pagoda
i once got 3.1k iirc
jagged pier
what were you cheesing with?
still pagoda
same shit and pulling as big as i can with my current shield
jagged pier
honestly id run m0s to get a shield
still pagoda
i have +9 necrotic wake in my bag
i want to push as high as i can and then just cap conquest to get 200 ilvl shield from pvp vendor
jagged pier
Im honestly hopeing i can get some legs and boot from the raid tonight have 171 boots and 164 legs or somthing.
nimble drift
do pvp this week and get conquest
nimble drift
you can get a 200ilvl shield for 450 conquest, maxing out at 550 conquest a week
jolly thistle
yeah the 200ilvl shield is pretty cheap
nimble drift
and if you do big bgs you can essentially run in and cast a few defensives, then run out
plus those big bgs have quests that give really nice conquest
jolly thistle
and it’s ~36% dmg reduction on blocks
nimble drift
First wins of the day are very easy too
ionic fern
Anyone tried if you can get this buff into m+?
Get those big beginning pulls with 50% leech.
😂
glacial skiff
So, is the way signet works for prot intended or overlooked?
ionic fern
No one knows.
glacial skiff
It seems to me it’s overlooked since ravager doesn’t even get procced when talented into it. I can excuse the fact ravager doesn’t proc anything since it’s not really a CD of prot’s but still.
pastel sleet
are the best dungeon trinkets anima field and viscera?
still pagoda
are the best dungeon trinkets anima field and viscera?
decanter, phial, scale and crystal
phial/decanter and scale are the safe bet for combination
i'm personally stuck with decanter and voracity deck right now
jagged pier
are the best dungeon trinkets anima field and viscera?
no viscera is kind of meh you want blood scale from hakkar
pastel sleet
im not a mega fan of on use trinks. is blood-spattered powerful enough to convince me otherwise?
grim wigeon
I find blood spattered to be a very convenient oh fuck button
pastel sleet
i find it strange that im looking at my 115 vita.... and it still looks like it could compete...
strong forum
It helps here and there to cover some gaps
In aoe its like a 40k shield
Pretty nice
jagged pier
Brox all I can say from experience viscera is really bad as I have one and kind of considering equipping my 171 emitter over it
hollow bolt
i liek it
pastel sleet
currently running 196 dencanter and 184 pvp haste proc. farming 7s tomorrow before reset.. just looking for things to target
a 40k shield sounds pretty sick
jagged pier
quantum device is also really good if you know how to use it
turbid cargo
lol i'm rockin the haste darkmoon + 184 haste pvp
pastel sleet
quantum device looks like you'd have to uber min max pulls to get max value out of it... way too long a cd.
turbid cargo
i'm excited for the troll value of the huntsman trinket
strong forum
10s are easier than 7s brox
placid oar
Hi guys, is ilvl 185 good enough to tank a +10? If I’m getting trucked, does that mean i am not rotating correctly or kiting ?
jagged pier
10s are easier than 7s brox
I know Nom if only i would get invited
strong forum
10s are pretty alright if you proc prideful at the right times
Dmg intake should be fine if your dps players can do actual dps
sick anchor
What does prideful do? And why is it useful
strong forum
It spawns the prideful mob, after you kill it, giving your group a 30% dmg and healing buff for 60seconds
sick anchor
Pog
placid oar
Thank you Nomeratur, okay will have to learn. I just splat and die sometimes
strong forum
People did 15s with 180 ilvl on day1, all comes down to experience and playing the dungeon. Aswell as group coordination
last yacht
When would you want to run Into the Fray over Ravager in M+?
strong forum
I did my first +12 at 179
strong forum
When would you want to run Into the Fray over Ravager in M+?
I've played both, I felt better playing ravager
jagged pier
When would you want to run Into the Fray over Ravager in M+?
not really ever there are some ppl doing ive heard its preference
strong forum
Didn't really notice an increase in survivability playing itf
turbid cargo
I actually did
last yacht
Yeah i tried Fray in a 10 halls but felt worse somehow
turbid cargo
I've been ruynning Fray in keys more often than not, felt more stable to me
ionic fern
Get that 1s CD reduction.
turbid cargo
pretty much lol
jagged pier
the only thing i felt more stable with is the wall over TL, may give less rage me seemed to have more rage when i need it i found
cinder roost
Hi fellas, any kyrians managed to do their Soul ash mission yet?
restive flax
the only thing Necrolords are good at... adventure missions Pog
turbid cargo
but Fray puts me at 12s CD on SB for trash packs. I like not having that tiny gap in the 3x SBs
ionic fern
You do you. 🤷
jagged pier
I like rav and bolster personally
turbid cargo
yeah that being said. Rav is objectively better
solar crown
Itf aint half bad, but it takes time getting used to not have a juicy ravager to put down
jolly thistle
rav is really good on initial aggro on the spread out groups tho. I tested a few runs with itf. dungeons like spires are so weird without rav
solar crown
It works well in raids as well. FeelsGoodMan to taunt + demoshout + ravager and just spam all your shit
jolly thistle
clap hits like a wet noodle and the range on revenge isn’t enough sometimes
polar radish
Should you always take itf with thunderlords?
jagged pier
nope
solar crown
I like that no build is 'omega-best', its a little more about playstyle and preference
polar radish
Oh wait i meant unstoppable force
jagged pier
still no
jagged pier
Oh wait i meant unstoppable force
more synergy in the build but its less defensive and does less damage than just take BV and Rav with TL
polar radish
I swapped ravager/bolster for unstoppable/anger management but I miss bolster as I feel so squishy when shield block is down
jagged pier
UF and AM is a worse build in general
polar radish
Cool thanks 👍
fluid moon
the only thing i felt more stable with is the wall over TL, may give less rage ...
i was thinking which one to craft, i dont really like thunderlords, do you guys feel tanking higher keys easier with which one?
lavish oracle
I managed to replace my HoA finally with the haste mastery neck from Halls, feels good
jagged pier
i was thinking which one to craft, i dont really like thunderlords, do you guys ...
my experience with the wall in m+ is limited, but all I can say is I felt the 20 rage per SS more than the extra demo shouts, but you kind of should imo as with TL your rage comes in big chunks where with the wall its steady
sweet kayak
Hello guys. Whats is the most professional/simple name plates for tanks? 🙂
jagged pier
plater or threat plates imo
sweet kayak
I see, should I use it's default profile, or is there any preferable profile I could use? 🙂
lavish oracle
I'm just using the ones that come attached to Elvui but plater and KUI come up a lot
fluid moon
my experience with the wall in m+ is limited, but all I can say is I felt the 20...
thanks man that was what i was looking for. I supposed eventually i'll have to test both xD
cedar rose
What do you guys like in the third tier? BV?
jagged pier
its the only option
chilly escarp
what lego we thinking for mythic plus
jagged pier
TL or the wall your preference
chilly escarp
mmm the wall feels like it would be better for higehr keys
what about hybrid legos like will of the arbiter
jagged pier
honestly i wouldnt even bother with the hybrids we have 2 chocies the wall or TL
chilly escarp
anyone else expereinced legendary memories bugging where you use them at the carver and then they dont appear on his list for crafts?>
crisp dragon
What do you mean, another? We get 10% like it says on the 11th hotfixes
jagged pier
we got buffed before shadowlands even came out
why do bliz have to make things unintersting
fuking amazing
crisp dragon
Have you tried tanking m+? Aggro is impossible to keep
jagged pier
nope im not, ive played with fire mages bursting stupid amounts all week no problem
crisp dragon
You do you man, but the hotfixes exist for a reason, dont have time to argue with some halfwitt
jagged pier
dont have time to argue with someone who cant play the class right and wants everything handed to them on a plate
surreal thunder
craft thunderlords for feet or hands?
astral orbit
lol wat
Yo tanknerds, is it worth switching Rav for Unstoppable force if i'm specing defensivly for M+
jagged pier
Yo tanknerds, is it worth switching Rav for Unstoppable force if i'm specing def...
no
jagged pier
craft thunderlords for feet or hands?
feet
still pagoda
wait we get another threat buff on reset???
yes, and even more, blood DK finally gets a damage buff
astral orbit
Even if i'm using Crackling Thunder?
jagged pier
Even if i'm using Crackling Thunder?
CT has nothing to do with anything
jagged pier
Even if i'm using Crackling Thunder?
also rav is more defensive gives more rage
crisp dragon
I would say it is, not because of crackling, but because it's just the better talent choice after it's nerf
still pagoda
is there a specific reason for feet over hands?
stat budget
jagged pier
is there a specific reason for feet over hands?
better optimised stats hands than feet
surreal thunder
k thx guys
lusty ember
So I tanked darkvein and I feel like i had the timing down but man that is harder than it seems. Is there something else she does that can steal spell reflect?
jolly spindle
glass vector
You guys think it's better to make the second legendary or upgrade thunderlord?
jagged pier
depends what your doing
onyx matrix
So, I managed to get "the wall" leggy, should I just wait and craft it when I have like enough soul ash for ilvl 210?
surreal thunder
indomitable or never surrender?
jagged pier
indom always
quiet cape
I did the wall 190, the reduction on SW and extra rage is awesome
jagged pier
So, I managed to get "the wall" leggy, should I just wait and craft it when I ha...
i have both at 190
quiet cape
Don't worry they are buffing dks 🙂
mellow geyser
I think they don't want the legion Prot back
where you deal more damages than the whole party
neat dirge
astral crystal
tuesday
jagged pier
b-blizzard help... please...
where did you get that?
steady fiber
0 warriors in hc nice
mellow geyser
Nice
astral crystal
gonna be a month or three til you see more rep in logs
frosty scarab
seriously contemplating playing my DH, although warr feels fine so far in keys 😛
jagged pier
I mean you have got to take into account the shear less amount of parses that we have
brittle owl
you have to take into account all the hardcore guilds not posting logs
dense vessel
I think they don't want the legion Prot back
what if they brought back gladiator stance? 🤔
return to wod
jagged pier
and I would put it out there that some prots are probably playing completly defensive
astral crystal
you have to take into account all the hardcore guilds not posting logs
and also take into account the very real possibility they're not running prot warr anyway
brittle owl
you think Boost doesn't have aotc by now?
astral crystal
lmao boost
jagged pier
someone look him up on armoury
astral crystal
bad rubric to use
brittle owl
sense already has aotc
but log isn't processed
don't rustle your jimmies over nothing
only blizz has access to every player doing nathria atm in terms of data
alot of people private logging
astral crystal
no jimmies rustled, just gotta accept the reality that there's very low representation for prot warrs, that's just how it do be
onyx matrix
Mmmmm gladiator stance would be a dream come true
astral crystal
i'd say it's a pretty safe to accept the premise that there are considerably more monks, BDKs and DHs in nathria
brittle owl
that's kinda always been the case in raid tho for a few expacs
strong forum
^
brittle owl
as long as monk exists
pwarr will always have low rep
since ykno, there's no utility gain for taking pwarr and monk is just straight up better overall
quiet cape
rallying cry is really good tho!
tiny blade
Properly doesn’t help that WW and to a extent MW has been pretty bad in raid
jagged pier
rallying cry is really good tho!
yer but a dps warrior can give rally as well
as well as ap buff
quiet cape
that's true, however i played prot war for the first time ever and first time raiding war since WOTLK and i didn't feel at all like a liability for the raid
i as you say play very defensively with my rage due to being a newb so i'm offsetting that average a bit
for Sire DPS i mean
mellow geyser
ALso no paladin on heroic log?
still pagoda
heroic week logs
not just heroic week logs, but logs from a heroic week that is at the hardest one in recent years
and not everyone cleared hc yet
sample size is too small, especially for tanks that are always heavily underrepresented if they are not meta
astral crystal
alright fellas we dont have to overdose on copium here
just lookin at some numbers
still pagoda
same goes for overall representation of warri in M+
cinder roost
Who cares if we have no rep as long as we're viable ?
still pagoda
it was always low unless the spec is busted for the highest keys yet balanced for everything below them
dense pivot
you care about rep if you applying to pugs, but otherwise yeah who cares
just get friends or form parties 🙂
still pagoda
just lookin at some numbers
yeah. And a really good thing is to always analyse them a bit closely
not just raw DPS/HPS/EDTPS
astral crystal
i wouldn't put much weight on any 'analyis' when the logs are that limited
and like i said, takes a few months for logs to mellow out, but those are trends that reinforce themselves and snowball due to bias
signal plover
Ayyy it's like uldir except the raid is harder
We're just back to door purists :)
Or is it back door purists hmmm
strong forum
still pagoda
jagged pier
: hippo :
onyx matrix
guys whats your haste and versa at?
indigo zealot
how do u deal with the big cleave skellys in NW and the mage spam Necros before the 2nd boss
jagged pier
when you join kungens stream and hes talking about going revenge leggo and BSC
unironically
dense pivot
he's a big memester, doesn't give a fuck about meta, probably doesn't read anything about legos and talents, just going by his own feelings
did the same in classic and got memed on constantly
let him be kungen 🙂
don't judge too harsh
fair berry
sounds incredibly based
jagged pier
yes wants to get top 20 and memes by not using the best builds 🤔
strong forum
Kungen is gonna quit retail this week
Guild isn't anywhere close to killing hc denathrius, people are quitting, he can't cope with how trash m+ loot is.
Classic Andy complaining about loot, how ironic
jagged pier
i remeber him saying he was gunna be ez top 20 because its ez to get top 20 world and his guild was super good in prepatch
while running bv in dungeons and not using demo on cd
strong forum
Yes
dense pivot
Classic Andy complaining about loot, how ironic
LOL
strong forum
He also said he's not going full hardcore, only raiding 8hrs 7days a week
"semi hardcore"
jagged pier
XD
dense pivot
LMAO
jagged pier
I like how hes running DR right now as well
strong forum
He's playing his own game. Is ok
In pre-patch I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but... Yeah
His guild just can't measure up
jagged pier
i dunno it annoys me cause players will go to him for answers, becasue hes they 'prot warrior' for some people and like hes doing everything wrong
final mist
8 hours 7 days
jagged pier
he created a new guild dude to prove that the game is ez and has just failed at that @dense pivot
also the OG guild wouldnt be close to getting top 20 ither
worldly stratus
Hello, I have to help a friend to do dungeon and I look after a shield around 150 ilvl. Do you know what is the best way to get one ?
strong forum
Pvp is the most reliable way right now
Cap conquest, and you can buy a 200ilvl shield
worldly stratus
thanks for the tip )
final mist
What’s he even running?
jolly thistle
the BoE shields are super cheap on some servers too
jagged pier
What’s he even running?
deva, DR, CT, indom, AM i think
strong forum
What’s he even running?
Na he's running punish
final mist
strong forum
final mist
strong forum
Last time I checked his build was as meme as sloots
jagged pier
strong forum
Ye bro
jagged pier
ill check sense build thanks
final mist
Everyone taking part is clearly way more knowledgeable than any TCer is, that’s why they’re the ones in the WF race
jagged pier
hes actualy killed sire hc
final mist
Next you’re gonna tell me he’s NL covenant
strong forum
"you're not WF raider, your facts are wrong"
dense pivot
watching his stream
magic sage
Am I crazy or Signet not proccing on ravager is an oversight waiting to be fixed ?
dense pivot
big pulls
jagged pier
wasnt there that guy the other day who was a 'top 50' in the world but refused to give his char name and realm?
jagged pier
Am I crazy or Signet not proccing on ravager is an oversight waiting to be fixed...
it doesnt, and its a shit leggo anyway 3 secs of reck or bladstorm arnt worth it
strong forum
Am I crazy or Signet not proccing on ravager is an oversight waiting to be fixed...
It's because our ravager doesn't replace bladestorm, hence the ID is entirely different
It very well might be intended, or an oversight
jagged pier
still not good though
dense pivot
I hope they'll fix that
signal plover
Meh, signet is trash for prot
dense pivot
well sure, at least it's somewhat more consistent and fun trash
strong forum
wasnt there that guy the other day who was a 'top 50' in the world but refused t...
Ye, but top 50 doesn't even require having all keys completed above 10, so it's even less of an argument
signal plover
well sure, at least it's somewhat more consistent and fun trash
It's literally one of the least consistent lol
magic sage
It's because our ravager doesn't replace bladestorm, hence the ID is entirely di...
I see thank you both
strong forum
All I need is a spires +10 done and I'm World 20, huge gamer
calm arrow
Is warrior prot really the worst tank to pick up in mm+ ?
strong forum
Bdk is the worst pick for m+
calm arrow
Feels like shit doing necrotic wake, mobs are rapping me
magic sage
it doesnt, and its a shit leggo anyway 3 secs of reck or bladstorm arnt worth it
But still Prot should gain a second activator for coherence sake and parity of use with arms and fury.
strong forum
Well that isn't exclusive to warrior Asta
Necrotic wake you have to abuse the weapons lying around
For upstairs
Otherwise you're gonna have a bad time on every tank
Also the best/worst tank always depends on the player. Not the class
final mist
60% increased physical damage taken 
strong forum
If you're bad, you're gonna be bad on every tank.
If you're good you're gonna blast on every tank
calm arrow
yeah yeah but some are casting "shadow wel" (guess it's the right name) that prevent the heal from healing me if not interrupted or quickly moved out
final mist
Packs of 27 casters
strong forum
Well...
final mist
In that case, move
strong forum
Kick it or move out
final mist
You can see it casting
strong forum
^
final mist
Just be prepared
calm arrow
yeah yeah, but i'm already busy mitigating everyting and guys with me are interrupting nothing 😒
bad group must be all
strong forum
There are alot of factors yes
It's not just press your own buttons
Your entire group must also press buttons
final mist
Pugs be pugs but you should still have the awareness to know what’s coming at you as a tank, esp on a warrior
The more you can do to ensure your own survival, the better your runs will be, even with bad pugs
placid oar
Hi guys, can anyone advise on routes other than the ones on raider io? I’m trying to compare routes and learn more. Tried the small crane pull as per raider io but their cries went off when the dps did not kill them fast enough thought I shockwaved the first cast.
calm arrow
I'm also 192iLvl with a 164iLvl shield, must say that mobs are enjoying hitting me 😄
placid oar
Was referring to De Other side sry
dense pivot
It's literally one of the least consistent lol
I meant consistent with arms/fury behavior
strong forum
I'm also 192iLvl with a 164iLvl shield, must say that mobs are enjoying hitting ...
Oof... 164 shield means you block almost nothing
calm arrow
indeed but I was very unlucky with those shield drop, I even got the mount from NW before a decent shield
strong forum
If you equipped a 226 shield, right now, you'd be over 50% tankier
Just to highlight, how much warr is cucked by low ilvl shield
calm arrow
hope i'll get a shield in the vault haha
placid oar
If you equipped a 226 shield, right now, you'd be over 50% tankier
Ah so we should save up and buy the mythic BOE shield if we don’t raid this tier?
jagged pier
same @calm arrow
strong forum
There's no mythic boe shield
placid oar
😭
placid oar
I thought there was, I guess I saw it wrongly on the loot table on wowhead
Thanks for telling
strong forum
Easiest way to get a shield is conquest
Get 1.8k, and you can upgrade it to 220 or smth
placid oar
To what rating Nomeratur? Cos I don’t really pvp
strong forum
200 baseline
placid oar
Omg okay
strong forum
No rating needed for 200ilvl
placid oar
Ohh
calm arrow
Well I knew that my shield was a problem, but never thought it was that high
placid oar
Would I need the mythic level shield to be tankier? I hope it’s not too detriment to my hopes of doing higher keys like 18s in the future
strong forum
A 164 shield is like... 20-25%
placid oar
With a 226 it'll be around 50%+
I see, interesting!
strong forum
The single most important item to our survivability
calm arrow
that is why i focus on NW, to get that shield quickly
placid oar
I guess with no mythic shield? I can partially forget about doing higher keys 😔
Why blizz do this to casuals like me
strong forum
Welcome to Warrior since 8.0
Low shield? High dmg intake
High shield? You can play the game
placid oar
That’s pretty unfair 😩
calm arrow
highest key ATM is ToP +8 timed in +9
strong forum
Yikes
calm arrow
i feel like a mage-tank
strong forum
Shouldn't though, I've done +12s with 179 equipped
placid oar
Yea I get what u mean, I was hoping for a mythic lvl BOE shield so at least I can still play at a higher level though I stopped raiding
strong forum
But my shield was 190 already
placid oar
Thanks again Nomeratur !
calm arrow
Mhm Thanks, will keep on focus that shield drop
wispy tundra
Run Mists and try your luck for the shield there
strong forum
Mists is a better dungeon for overall drops ye
Good Helmet, good shield, good weapon
Also terribly easy dungeon
jagged pier
I pray for one from raid tonight
wispy tundra
I got all 3
Been really lucky this week keys wise, my healer on the other hand is salty about it xD
wispy tundra
190 for me, 184 for him
final mist
I haven’t been terribly lucky with the amount of drops, but I have with the stats I’d like + sockets
So I’ll take it
jagged pier
ive had like zero drops all the time XD
still pagoda
My healer is 195 and salty
i've just seen rdrood in +9 NW
who didn't use any CD's for the entirety of the dungeon
strong forum
:nice:
strong forum
That's the joke
tulip crane
@strong forum You're telling me that shield ilvl affects block chance? No wonder I am getting destroyed.
still pagoda
shield ilvl affects block value and DR% first and foremost
block chance is secondary as you have SB
tulip crane
Is there a formula for the block value?
still pagoda
@strong forum but seriously. It feels like pug healers don't even watch for what the tank has in terms of mitigation and what debuffs are on him
jagged pier
mine dont ither anyway, nothing new
the amounts times ive had to tell them to dispell at the start of mists
still pagoda
i was at 3 stacks of tenderize with no SB charges, LS or SW, tankbuster comes in... And no bark, nothing
like they don't even watch what is on the tank
strong forum
They don't
jagged pier
I think most healers in a pug will not be tracking tank cds tbh
strong forum
Pretty sure my rsham doesn't track if I have block up or not
Cuz he's a "no addon" sperg
still pagoda
i've been looking at that rdrood's CD's for the entirety of the dungeon
Zero vortexes, zero ironbarks, zero incarns, nothing
everything was always ready to use
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> You're telling me that shield ilvl affects block chance? ...
Shield ilvl affects how much dmg you actually block, the block chance comes from mastery and shield block
still pagoda
^
strong forum
The lower your shield ilvl, the less damage you block. Instead of blocking 50%+ you only block say 20% or incoming damage even with SB up
Your block is "weak" with a low ilvl shield
That's a huge reason as to why an undergeard or low lvl prot warrior is so much weaker than other tanks
tulip crane
Yeah, last I played prot it was a flat 30%
strong forum
Ye that was legion
tulip crane
I'll need to focus on some pvp and get that conquest shield
still pagoda
Ye that was legion
Legion had 30% without artifact and 38%+ with it
tulip crane
Using a 150 right now 😫
radiant kraken
This is fascinating and explains so much.
still pagoda
@strong forum tbh, even +9's feel like they need at least some coordination between healer and tank rn
jagged pier
yep
still pagoda
blizz did what they wanted
tulip crane
Kind of wish they'd bring back the block value attribute. I loved that in TBC. Pure block chance and block value. Nearly unkillable.
still pagoda
now let the pug healers show that they are garbage
strong forum
Well you get block value from your shield
It's 2x the armor of the shield
Block is basically armor ontop of armor
jagged pier
now let the pug healers show that they are garbage
also depends on healer, like running with guild i had our boomkin healing me he says im squishy and a guy on his alt paladin whos healed me alot over the last few exapnsions and he said i was fine to heal
still pagoda
that is already difference in experience
pug healers are a lottery
in case of anything lower than higher keys - absolute garbage at best
another NW9
maybe this time around it will go the way i want
fiery coyote
Anyone know where I can find a list of dungeon bosses I can spell reflect spells from?
still pagoda
fiery coyote
Thanks!