and can use Shield Wall and Last stand pre-emptively
#protection
grand mantle
i did the other side 4 just 10 min ago and i got killed by those big elites that get enraged
blissful imp
dont tank those when they get enraged
mellow patio
Prot doesn’t have oh shit buttons
blissful imp
even in low keys they truck
grand mantle
ye
blissful imp
just jump away and kite
if you have a hunter or druid tell them to tranq and soothe
if not, just kite
last mason
what would you guys upgrade, 190 shield to 200, or 171 wrists to 200
blissful imp
even with cooldowns those dudes hit really hard
grand mantle
allright thanks for the info so i should run for big ads and use stuff like last stand and shield wall more often
blissful imp
yea, kiting is one thing tanks have to do and in high keys you will spend a LOT of your time kiting
grand mantle
allright ive always though that moving the ads is so anoying for the dps to follow up and lose dps
blissful imp
they'll be even more annoyed if you die and the mobs turn around and kill them too
lol
grand mantle
true xD
signal plover
Sounds to me like you're not playing pwarr like it should be played
mellow patio
You should be using LS when you ar won’t of SB charges, and SW when you’re about to run out of everything
Don’t overlap cds
And dont prioritize your groups dps over you surviving
Cause guess what if you die they die
signal plover
LS(with bolster) and SW are rotational, preventative abilities rather than situational "save em" CDs
mellow patio
And that is 0 dps
signal plover
Also our dmg has shifted a lot from TC to revenge so without spear (since you're playing venthyr) hopefully you're running ravager and dumping revenge when you can
grand mantle
i play ravenger on low dungs to do max dps but for high keys i use the thunderclap talent
signal plover
Also you have to get to packs first, of you're puggings and dps are opening before you do, you're already fighting uphill
Ravager is better than UF in all keys
Huge rage gain, good dam
grand mantle
ok
signal plover
It's not a dps pick
open monolith
soooo are we sure darkvein can be solo tanked?
blissful imp
I'm not sure
grand mantle
thanks for the info guys
blissful imp
you gotta take the first 2
open monolith
I'm pretty sure the 3rd cast of warped desires goes off before the 1st debuff falls off.
signal plover
You can reflect every other most of the time
Sometimes it's with a second or two of your SR coming off CD
But her spell que is kinda weird
blissful imp
I did her last night in a no voice pug
open monolith
Yeah. seems like you still need to bring a 2nd tank for the times when it doesn't line up properly
blissful imp
with "taunt on 2" and I ended up tanking her from like 70% to 30%
but could never get it started till around then
and the other tank would usually get bored or I'd fuck up, or it would just come to fast at some point
open monolith
my pug didn't have the dps for her 😦
we had the mechanics down, but the DPS was dogshit
signal plover
I think on the first container it may come faster since it is empowered
open monolith
don't think we got her below like 20% lol
it was so funny, too. We were in voice chat and they were saying, "Man our dps is good too! we're all above 2.4k!"
I had to break it to them that 2.4k is actually... pretty bad
steady spruce
Any tips for the Halls of attunement Minboss guys?
How to tank it
can you pack adds
blissful imp
2.4k is good for normal, not so much for heroic
blissful imp
you had people fucking up mechanics then
blissful imp
lemme see if my details still has the fight
open monolith
it's also possible that 2.4k is my bad memory
blissful imp
but I know a couple of my friends were the only ones about 2.8k, and we had at least one warlock doing tank DPS lol
open monolith
and we actually had people sub 2.4
yeah we had a fire mage doing tank dps now that it hink about it
with the excuse of "well i'm clicking the anima jars"
p sure I'll be able to get a pug clear on that before reset
didn't seem like a super hard fight
just a small dps check
lavish oracle
What's actually good DPS rn? Most people I'm running with are pulling between 3 and 3.5k
open monolith
anything above 3k is pretty darn solid for ST
GREAT is like 3.5k average and above
good is 3k, imo
lavish oracle
Oh, cool
open monolith
but I might have too high of standards 😮
im secretly a DPS main who just doesn't like any of the DPS specs this expansion
lavish oracle
Some fights our fire mage and spriest are doing like 6-7k which I was certain is a lot, haha
visual drift
Is there a pvp guide for protwarriot?
open monolith
Yeah. I'm pretty sure it says "Switch to arms"
(lol, i don't know anything about pvp)
slate shell
do +15s / +18s drop more loot than +10s at the end of dungeon?
signal plover
Nope
still pagoda
huntsman 'shoot' is straight up murdering me lmao
signal plover
Block it harder lol
lavish oracle
Bigger shield
earnest lava
that's the spreadshot?
sturdy sable
naw thats his basic cast
lavish oracle
Looks like the auto , haha
sturdy sable
his melee if you will
earnest lava
lavish oracle
Looks like rip soul made it to him
Increases his damage by 150%
At least for the 46k one
sick sentinel
Any prot warrior PVP Rated BG guide ?
signal plover
@sick sentinel try #223972896219856896
sick sentinel
ok 🙂 and best guide for instance is in pin i guess
still pagoda
sick sentinel
how is castle nathria normal now
open monolith
still out of reach for a very large portion of the playerbase
formal river
prisma gorge
is this correct?
still pagoda
@prisma gorge what exactly?
prisma gorge
if that two trinks are truly bis
steel mauve
those are the better offensive ones, not the 2 bis trinkets, the guide works if you read every thing as a whole and base your decision making on that
you cant just read the top 2 names and be done with it
steel mauve
technically you're probably better off using blood scale and phial
pastel sleet
a lot of top prot warrior runs are running bolster... if im taking a lot of damage is that the play?
still pagoda
a lot of top prot warrior runs are running bolster... if im taking a lot of dama...
depends
pastel sleet
what does it depend on
steel mauve
but those trinkets arent in a specific order, thats a list of trinkets and their description of performance
jagged pier
what type of dmage your taking
steel mauve
bolster only helps physical damage thats blockable
still pagoda
bolster provides much more consistency in high(for now) keys
and you don't have gear to do +13's and higher easily rn
steel mauve
and its a very generic response and one you're possibly not looking for, but a talent wont make or break your damage intake, it helps but there is a higher probability that improvement in play will help more than a talent change
pastel sleet
yeah i know. just asking in general for +9s+10s atm. im getting hit like a truck... and kiting while keeping aggro is almost impossible
open monolith
Bolster helps cover mitigation gaps so you need to kite less
Yes, it is helpful for surviability
Take it if you want to live longer with less kitey fuckery
take AM if you want to pump
remember to keep using heroic throw while you kite
it does more threat than you might think
especially with the taunt debuff that makes you do 300% threat on whatever you taunted.
pastel sleet
HT does massive threat 😄 i learned to spam while kiting because of twilight dev procs
steel mauve
i cant get a shield or weapon to drop
pastel sleet
aight. im trying to push to consistent 10s before tuesday. i might pick up bolster rav to help out on the hard hitting pulls.
still pagoda
guess no +15 this week
plain vapor
got a 200 ilvl wep from a 9 other day
pastel sleet
god no
still pagoda
especially since i'm pugging for now
plain vapor
still pagoda
still pagoda
i cant get a shield or weapon to drop
184 weapon and 155 shield
are you on EU?
I have one idea
We need a healer bro for it
steel mauve
NA, i have like 146 weapon and 155 shield
still pagoda
And a bit of beer
oh god
i was just about to ask if you want to spam some 3s
for 200ilvl shield and 1H
grizzled barn
Any good video guides on pwar? I feel like I'm taking way too much damage for a +6, must be doing something wrong
steel mauve
took me a few hours of straight theater of pains to get legs to drop, mean while 3 of the 5 of us got 1-2 items each run lol
sick sentinel
What is the general consesus of sharpening/weight stones from BS to add AP, or oils such as heal/absorb one
prisma gorge
What is the general consesus of sharpening/weight stones from BS to add AP, or ...
oils if you got budget for it, otherwise stones 🙂
still pagoda
i've only started doing dungeons
sick sentinel
what about weapon enchants? currently using 6% dmg one
open monolith
pretty sure the enchant that does an aoe on hit is the best one
lightless something
but I am not 100% on that
still pagoda
pretty sure the enchant that does an aoe on hit is the best one
3% damage
on average
sick sentinel
i may swap venthyr later on for like, say snap aggro on boss/adds in m+
sick sentinel
spear and potion is nice, but i mean, meh, if you doing it right shouldnt need constantly potion anyway??
open monolith
o.o
steel mauve
thats not how potion works
open monolith
Venthyr is not something you would consider switching TO as prot
as it has 0 benefits for prot
steel mauve
it removes some dots, the ones we have very little defense against
open monolith
that is a very bad idea.
steel mauve
the bleeds are a big one
sick sentinel
potion has 2 settings, one is over time with your endurance and vitality thingies
sick sentinel
right what u on about then
open monolith
yogi you kill me sometimes.
grizzled barn
I can confirm that playing prot venthyr is a pain
still pagoda
that's aterrible idea
that's one hell of a terrible idea
steel mauve
the potion removes bleeds
open monolith
You are in a little world of your own, man lol
astral crystal
spear and potion is nice, but i mean, meh, if you doing it right shouldnt need c...
there's a LOT of dots that are unavoidable
open monolith
the potion is a healing potion that heals for a lot and doesn't share a cooldown with the other potions, AND removes debuffs.
astral crystal
that are also dispellable with potion
open monolith
The spear is better for snap aggro, as you put it
because it is FREE.
and AOE
AND gives rage
steel mauve
condemn is worse for snap aggro in m+ than spear or NF, its better for single target but you shouldnt really have an issue with threat single target
sick sentinel
maldraxus and faerie is just garbage tier for us though right
steel mauve
no
slate laurel
sock, dont' forget about pulling adds that jump around back into place
steel mauve
NF does more damage than spear but with less utility and you need to keep enemies in the aoe as opposed to spear forcing them to stay in it
open monolith
I am not sure why you would consider switching in terms of performance.
slate laurel
NF does more damage IF the adds don't move away from it for whatever reason
mellow patio
In aoe necro is better than venthyr
prisma gorge
what level of keystones are you goin with 183ilvl?
steel mauve
if you want performance your best bet is kyrian>NF>>venthyr
steel mauve
i went NF but i kind of enjoy the look of the armor
open monolith
you just wanna be a big woody boi
steel mauve
i am groot
dense pivot
okay, hard question
sick sentinel
this is what i got going on so far
steel mauve
condemn
open monolith
probably condemn lol
steel mauve
easy question
vocal bison
Any strats for the trash pack after 3rd boss in sanguine? That one has been such a pain (mistdancer/overseer/gargoyle)?
sick sentinel
tyranical weeks venthyr prots will be huge
young glen
How do you guys do blood council? Frieda or Stavros first?
open monolith
Kyrian > NF >>>>> Venthyr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maldraxxus (prot)
I'm on team Frieda first
her 2nd ability is harder to deal with for healers than Stavros, imo
sick sentinel
ugh, i gotta look at why maldraxus is trash tier
steel mauve
maldraxxus is better single target than the rest
tall mural
Saw earlier a conversational about how 2.4k DPS for DPSers isn't great, what is considered good dps for a group right now? I'm starting to get into the double digits and getting some questionable dps from pugs.
open monolith
3k is good ST. 3.4k+ is great
sick sentinel
isn't it 20% crit to group?
steel mauve
but the bone shield is under whelming, and the condemn debuff on targets only effects one target
oh wait i got em mixed up scratch that
steel mauve
its random too
sick sentinel
i feel like that could be really strong with crit reliant dps spec, hunter/frost mage comes to mind.
tall mural
3k is good ST. 3.4k+ is great
Thanks
young glen
I'm on team Frieda first
How many stacks of evasive do you feel comfortable with?
strong forum
Also small range, stationary and 3min CD @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
oh, poopy
steel mauve
the numbers just dont add up to being better than the other 3 for banner
sick sentinel
it should be to everyone 5 yard of you
sick sentinel
yeh, melee
steel mauve
the thing is though, it hurts too much to give up personal improvements to buff another person in the group
sick sentinel
for sure
young glen
tanks should swap at 2
Sort of confusing. We never have two debuffs of stavros and Nikolaus within the same time window so it feels sort of like weird
sick sentinel
how do i upload a video that is like 1 hour
dense pivot
how do i upload a video that is like 1 hour
youtube?
young glen
So you're essential taunting three way?
sick sentinel
says we took about 30 minutes to kill the 2nd boss
open monolith
no
wheover has frieda is irrelevant
only nick and stro need to be swapped
you can ignore frieda in terms of swapping, she has no tank mechanic
sick sentinel
but, i wasn't understand that you have to kill the add right away, and then move away from dead add
and the flying red balls was just murdering everyone
young glen
Hm
sick sentinel
hall way boss sanguine
open monolith
oh. right.
sick sentinel
fight him in a big ring, annoying guy
will yt accept a 1 hr video on a standard account?
sullen drift
so for mythic+ we go UF + AM or ravager and bolster?
sick sentinel
hang on, i DID record the plaugefall 2 as well
so, if you want, i could upload either one, or attempt to, or another one, and see what problems there
steel mauve
ravager over UF, bolster for more survival, AM for more damage, bolster is generally higher keys
ionic pewter
so for mythic+ we go UF + AM or ravager and bolster?
I just switched from A to B and it feels way better for aoe threat
pliant rock
Does crit = chance to crit block or is that just mastery?
ionic fern
Just mastery.
exotic spoke
Hola
still pagoda
Yeah
fallow mortar
Does crit = chance to crit block or is that just mastery?
crit=parry
strong forum
and mages bursting 30+k on big packs
dont need to tank if the mobs are dead
strong forum
the 194
prime edge
yea?
strong forum
ye the crit mastery is pretty bad imo
steel mauve
crit would still be better for m+, plus the vers for defense
uneven mason
TFW Mastery provides a defensive value as well
steel mauve
or i should say thats a lot of crit for both offense and defense
uneven mason
yeah
steel mauve
which crit is still higher on the stat order
uneven mason
thats more the thing, the mastery/vers would provide minimal differences overall
prime edge
so just stick with the 194 ilvl?
junior jolt
Hey guys which lego should i craft for m+ im struggling in surviving keys between 12-13s
twilit jay
any night fae prot warriors around? how is it?
junior jolt
i dunno if i shud make the thunderlord or the wall 😦
thorn nacelle
Thunder lord imo for Mythics
steel mauve
i like the night fae ability my self, but i havent done higher keys
junior jolt
yeah im checking leaderboards for warrior and I hardly find any, I see darkee from complex limit using the wall
uneven mason
NF suffers from needing targets to sit still
junior jolt
all the others nott even using anything
steel mauve
i can keep enemies inside the aoe fairly easily, but once i need to start kiting a lot it will lose value
uneven mason
and thus far there are so many "leapers"
yes
the knockdown helps with casters though.
steel mauve
spear would out perform but like i said i enjoy the nf armor look my self
pastel sleet
if going for a bolster build, itf vs ravager?' (M+10s)
twilit jay
big thing for me is i will be raiding in arms and prot for m+ and nightfae is like second best for both, while kyrian is bad for arms
dense flame
for higher keys are you kiting quite a bit?
steel mauve
you wont lose much going NF imo, just spear has a bit more utility
dense flame
really feels like the mobs just dick so hard
pastel sleet
yes @dense flame
earnest lava
any tips for HC hungering destroyer ?
jagged pier
dont die
earnest lava
i'm failing at avoiding orbs, but still feels as though i'm getting trucked in the face haaaaard and having to try and rely on externals
echo bough
Is it completely griefing if you are Venthyr as Prot?
jagged pier
you can SR when sopaking them
and you need to make sure your healers are healing you
steel mauve
venthyr has strong single target but nearly useless in any thing aoe/multi target
earnest lava
yeah i've been trying to SR the orbs
jagged pier
like we just did it and i got about the same amount of healing from the healers as my bdk co tank but obviously he can top himself i cant
jagged pier
yeah i've been trying to SR the orbs
you just press it as you run through it
earnest lava
i;m just bad, going to check logs to see if i actually managed to soak any...
it will say "absorbed" right ?
does it not show as absorbed in logs.. ?
sick sentinel
is it possible to do pvp as prot warrior?
modern gale
Its absolutely possible, whether its viable or not is a different question
dense pivot
but prot specs aren't THAT tanky in pvp, except bears
uneven mason
can confirm, burs are near impossible to kill, even as arms
sleek sun
Any council of blood tanky tips from the pros here?
marble garnet
why is everyone saying prot is garbo?
undone jacinth
because they all watch youtube tier lists
safe pier
To me the vids and what im experiencing as a prot war arnt adding up. Im liking prot now understanding how to play it better.
Especially better timing of rage gen into ignore pain for magic
undone jacinth
well thats what happens when a healer who has the goal of getting aotc before next patch can make a tier list
naowh made a very good tank balance video
glossy pawn
what stats did you guys go on your legendary?
strong forum
Haste vers
still pagoda
Haste vers
glossy pawn
I was thinking going the same stats. Seems the most solid of all the stats.
muted pendant
is Organ any good? :/
glossy pawn
Vers, crit and mastery are fairly close
is it good to spread it out so you dont have too much of one? or does it matter at all
distant crystal
stats do tend to make the others better but idk that it's significant enough to think about at this stage
glossy pawn
yea I havent noticed much in my gameplay except with haste
still pagoda
is it good to spread it out so you dont have too much of one? or does it matter ...
It is good not to care for them
The more haste on the piece, the better
General idea is pretty simple too
Ilvl >> haste > vers = crit => mastery
still pagoda
is Organ any good? :/
The only good tank trinkets are blood-splattered scale and sanguine vintage
Everything else is vendor trash sadly
DPS trinkets are good as usual
undone jacinth
blood splattered scale is absolutely nuts
still pagoda
for now
glossy pawn
Ilvl >> haste > vers = crit => mastery
Yeah, been my experience as well. They seem to want it to be easy to choose the gear. Generally I wouldnt ask about what stats are the best but Im about to craft my first legendary. Dont wanna make a mistake on that one haha
undone jacinth
i'm expecting it to be nerfed in to oblivion
muted pendant
Everything else is vendor trash sadly
Thanks - thats what I thought. Currently Ive Deceanter and Scale
undone jacinth
anyone been using the chain from sludgefist?
glossy pawn
blood splattered scale is absolutely nuts
I got lucky, got the mythic version. And I agree its totally nuts.
undone jacinth
I got it from a +10 and it makes me blush
glossy pawn
its almost a 20k shield for me
also using the trinket from de other side with the "Use:???" and its insane aswell
undone jacinth
yeah I have the 194 of that but I dont like it personally
the shield is 30k or something for me
it scales with pack so not 100% sure
glossy pawn
damn
I saw some people saying the trinket from theater was also good
but havent been able to get that one yet
reef fulcrum
do u know which one is better b/w https://www.wowdb.com/items/178808-viscera-of-coalesced-hatred and https://www.wowdb.com/items/178825-pulsating-stoneheart ?
have them ilvl 200
both
glossy pawn
Dont know but I dont really enjoy the debuff on the trinket that slows you
reef fulcrum
Me neither man, haha
undone jacinth
stoneheart is omega bad
glossy pawn
but it doesnt seem like the armor is any good
undone jacinth
hatred isnt great either but would prefer it
glossy pawn
300 armor is a bit lower than 2 piece of gear
reef fulcrum
I also have the quantum device but ilvl 184
glossy pawn
are you all kyrian?
reef fulcrum
yes
undone jacinth
im switching today
glossy pawn
I went venthyr haha
undone jacinth
me too
glossy pawn
I love doing most dps in dungs
undone jacinth
switching from venth to kyrian
glossy pawn
I was thinking kyrian but the tether effect doesnt seem much use to me so far
the extra rage would be, however
undone jacinth
yeah I just find condemn too clunky
but I'm going kyrian for the potion
over anything else
glossy pawn
Its insane how much better the covenant ability is
with the owl
never find good uses for my door of shadows
strong forum
have them ilvl 200
The viscera
glossy pawn
and I agree its clunky to use since its a rage spender
reef fulcrum
alright, thanks
undone jacinth
only thing I do with door of shadows is use it in plaguefall
when ive used intervene leap and charge already
and im in the frickin goo
glossy pawn
If not venthyr i would go maldraxxus since they look cooler and I like the banner fantasy
Yeah but it feels useless most of the time
undone jacinth
super useless ye
glossy pawn
there are certain parts where it shines but not as much as the kyrian owl
glossy pawn
I mostly pug so...haha. But it does give you more control in some situations if there are packs spead out
what conduits are you using?
undone jacinth
theres just so many god awful mobs that leap around in m+
necrotic wake got them the entire way
some of them even just ignore tethers
glossy pawn
i hate those, alot of them in theatre lol
undone jacinth
cant remember conduits, show of force and shield block reset one I think
maybe venthyr one
conduits seem kinda sucky
glossy pawn
theres one that resets your shield block?
I think the safeguard one or the one that lets you get more rage during last stand are the best ones so far
undone jacinth
think I was getting confused with beta
I'm using venthyr one and the rallying cry one
atm
because I wanted the disorientate
I might switch to the last stand one to try it out but tbh not really that worried while in LS
kinda wish they had something more interesting, I don't even look at my conduits on warr really
empty locust
Having some issue activating the Goliaths in Necrotic wake, i get the Steward out and i cannot get it to bring up the chat options to activate it. has anyone else experienced this issue?
empty locust
All i get is spam of the steward talking to me over and over
empty locust
Standing in its hitbox
analog lantern
Does signet proc off of ravager? (I have ravager specc'd)
still pagoda
No
analog lantern
and will it proc ravager?
still pagoda
Prot ravager is partially different
It worked with Gathering Storm azerite trait
But doesn't work with signet
analog lantern
OK cheers
marble garnet
how hard would you expect a +5 necrotic wake to be for a 179 prot war?
still pagoda
how hard would you expect a +5 necrotic wake to be for a 179 prot war?
It's really easy
undone jacinth
if uve got dps then its np
still pagoda
+7 is where it starts to ramp up
^^
If your dps peeps are good
It will be easy no matter what
undone jacinth
about to make the kyrian switch but that necrolord ambassador is looking real good today
glossy pawn
the banner?
undone jacinth
yeah
glossy pawn
idk but it would be great if the extra crit you got from necro
would benefit your parry
sadly it doesnt
still pagoda
about to make the kyrian switch but that necrolord ambassador is looking real go...
Just switch blyat
undone jacinth
it doesnt?
glossy pawn
If I read the ability correctly its just from your gear
still pagoda
Only rating benefits parry
undone jacinth
yeah gg
still pagoda
Flat % boosts don't
undone jacinth
I mean that would be a bit nuts anyway
glossy pawn
but its a fun supportive idea. Drop banner raise ppls dmg and hp
it sucks that its not that great
also clunky that its aoe is so bad or that you cant intercept to it afaik
still pagoda
It is heavily undertuned and terribly designed at the same time. Would be better to make it into personal 2min CD that would give 40-50% crit and parry for, lets say, 10 seconds
glossy pawn
yeah like the extra hp and crit I dont really see much use for
still pagoda
Crit has an offensive use
glossy pawn
its too little to notice imo
still pagoda
The problem is different
glossy pawn
Sure but 10% isnt noticeable imo.
still pagoda
Its "group" buff design
Which only makes it a trap that will never get buffed in its current state
undone jacinth
yeah its the group concept that im interested in
its just too useless to actually help
3min cd plus tiny aoe
and only 2 ppl
still pagoda
Just turn it into personal 2min CD ala old recklessness
And give it enough crit chance and parry/dodge/hp-regen/rage
glossy pawn
I hope they make it cool, the maldraxxus people seem like a cool faction for a warr.
still pagoda
Yet an extreme example of what there shouldn't be, as it can't be balanced properly
lavish oracle
It'd be sweet if it were a personal and generated rage over time
still pagoda
You make it good and it suddenly becomes OP and "mandatory"
Say hello to all the warris who may get kicked and declined from groups if they are not necro in such case
lavish oracle
I mean, most of the other covenant abilities generate rage already
glossy pawn
If only they could stop making stuff that gave you buffs for standing still. Id be happy.
lavish oracle
Also, just ran a spires for the first time since M+ came out
still pagoda
WoW community is garbage enough to do this 24/7 and on the first notice of it becoming good or above every other ability
lavish oracle
that dungeon fucking sucks
glossy pawn
Fuck spires man
lavish oracle
please ban Blizzard from designing dungeons
undone jacinth
WoW community is garbage enough to do this 24/7 and on the first notice of it be...
I would normally agree but tbh they did a good job with covenants where nobody seems to care because they difference isnt big enough
still pagoda
Feels shattering throw
lavish oracle
I don't mind any single mob that much
still pagoda
I would normally agree but tbh they did a good job with covenants where nobody s...
For now
lavish oracle
it's just when it's like 3 mobs in a pack that require 1-2 kicks each
glossy pawn
If someone demands a specific cov from you then you know they're bad so you dodged a bullet.
lavish oracle
like, what the fuck
still pagoda
Give or take 2-3 weeks and we will see a new "meta" established
glossy pawn
Yea there are alot of those packs atm
glossy pawn
tbh i never cared about meta
this game can be beaten if you try your best
and remember to tbag the bosses
orchid depot
What's the highest De other side you've guys have timed?
still pagoda
Its extreme infantility
lavish oracle
I still haven't gotten a DOS key yet
still pagoda
I still haven't gotten a DOS key yet [2]
still pagoda
I'm out of raiding for this tier thanks to this idiocy in WoW community.
"Oh we're aiming for WR500 so you either go S tier tank spec or get kicked"
still pagoda
I wouldn't do DOS without a night fae, tbh
Without a good group in general
lavish oracle
I mean like, it's looking like Limit is gonna use a prot warrior
lavish oracle
so that's extra hilarious
I don't know how many bosses they'll use it for
and it's almost certainly a battle shout bot
but still
undone jacinth
dont forget rally 😛
still pagoda
what do they think about ppl who get top 50 with trash specs
Didn't work either. Typical "we watched these tierlists" shit with zero in-depth research beyond yt
lavish oracle
True
lavish oracle
Join as a DPS and bring warrior to farm?
still pagoda
I'm literally stuck
supple venture
what stats are you guys going for on legendaries
lavish oracle
Haste/vers
undone jacinth
dont think u shud ever look to join a guild as tank
no reasonable guild should be missing a tank
lavish oracle
Yeah, and if they are, they're more likely to recruit from inside the guild
undone jacinth
exactly so never missing to the public
still pagoda
Join as a DPS and bring warrior to farm?
DPS is not my jive unless it's ranged. Dunno, always liked dancing and minmaxing casting time for the sake of ABC
lavish oracle
Level a ranged dps and join as that
little crown
you mean you like exmode
lavish oracle
and then just bring warrior to farm for gear
still pagoda
Level a ranged dps and join as that
lavish oracle
I'm sure people are looking for chickens or something
and bear is looking pretty tanky
still pagoda
At that point, i feel like i'm stuck between starting all over again as tank despite CE and good logs or starting all over again as a mage/lock with nothing at all
undone jacinth
u just join as a dps spec
that has a tank off spec
and u tank every key for the guild
til they realise ur their best tank
still pagoda
undone jacinth
thats how every guild ive been in has gone
little crown
just send the gm feet pics
lavish oracle
The true shortcut
still pagoda
Feels bad to be prot warri looking for guild anyway
lavish oracle
hope someone out there likes my hobbit ass feet
undone jacinth
mmm ass feet
lavish oracle
haha
fringe marten
What's most peoples fav auto marker...the WA or addon?
static stream
still pagoda
2k rating still gives the appearance afaik
whole shadow
Sorry i deleted because someone told me, 1.8k rating gets you the appearance 🙂
azure walrus
If using mdt (method) do you have to download all dungeon packs via weak aura is there a single download to rule them out every week
nimble drift
I see every top prot warrior running indomitable. Is this better than impending victory?
still pagoda
I see every top prot warrior running indomitable. Is this better than impending ...
Impending is dead
Just as NS
Have been since their releases
timber nest
is there an addon or WA made yet for the adventure table?
steel mauve
ya indom is the go to choice, there are too many downsides to IV than there are good sides
fringe marten
So there's no concensus on what is the best M+ auto marker?
willow pawn
Sad warrior noises
timber nest
@willow pawn to be fair though, most of those are probably havoc DH spec swapping cuz havoc is SHIT
modern flower
Is the easiest way to kill council Frieda -> Nik -> Stav?
I feel like I'm taking so much damage tanking that fight
still pagoda
Sad warrior noises
Warrior is competitive as shown here. I see no problem here, even with the representation being cut down to either complete casuals or dedicated pwarri enthusiasts
ivory matrix
Heya, anyone got some tips about any good Prot Warrior streamers on twitch? New tank looking to improve by watching some good ones! You can shamelessly plug yourselves ofc 😅
still pagoda
Nothing to be mad about
still pagoda
Heya, anyone got some tips about any good Prot Warrior streamers on twitch? New ...
Lightee, Nomeratur, Sense
ivory matrix
alright, will check it out, thanks!
Feel so squishy, hopefully it's something I can fix
still pagoda
I may boot up my stream for the first time too. No one will watch someone pugging keys anyway 
ivory matrix
haha PM me your stream if you want!
still pagoda
Feel so squishy, hopefully it's something I can fix
It goes for all tanks. You either learn or whine that you're squishy because of the spec
steel mauve
chances are it boils down to personal play or group play, getting a group that forgets they have an interrupt is very fucking painful
still pagoda
Just as it always was
Gonna do some +9/+10 keys tomorrow
5 days of break from wow did their job
ivory matrix
yeah, just did a Necrotic Wake, those Necrotic Bolts add up man 😣
steel mauve
had a group earlier of all ranged dps witht eh 24 second interrupts, that was interesting
modern flower
Remember to use spell reflect
ivory matrix
aye, ofc
modern flower
I'm tanking as prot warrior for the first time as well so I heck things up all the time
still pagoda
@ivory matrix btw. One of the people i mentioned
https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Darkeewar
still pagoda
does plater affect party frames
Only nameplates
last mason
if you install elvui, will it tax your computer a set amount no matter what you have enabled or disabled
im trying to get better frames without elvui
so thats why i ask
steel mauve
it shouldnt use power for disabled modules but i could be wrong
lusty marsh
Is elvui that intensive?
steel mauve
it kind of is if you dont have a super pc
well not super pc but a decent one
it uses a lot of addon memory
orchid sand
Kicks? whats that ? Atal Dazar , how many of got help there with interrupt's?
steel mauve
ya i deleted all my weakauras when shadowlands released to refrresch em
keen pivot
Is prot shit right now? I am just getting wrecked in m+, running mostly 7's. And my dps is garbage too. I don't have a lego yet, but 186 ilvl.
steel mauve
its not
vagrant cape
anyone know of any prot warrior streamers on twitch?
undone jacinth
darkee was playing a bit
vagrant cape
@keen pivot idk how this server feels about posting logs, but if they're cool with it, posting them here might help us help you figure out what's wrong.
I will say that these dungeons make good interrupting/CCing basically a necessity. Poor kicking leads to a shitton of extra damage
undone jacinth
but most streamers will be playing fotm
civic rover
I may boot up my stream for the first time too. No one will watch someone puggin...
gib stream
vagrant cape
I'd watch it, too
at least for a bit
Darkee's mic is atrocious
at least the background noise it picks up is
Oh, I see the big text at the top that says "Can't fix mic until sunday" now
undone jacinth
i dont really watch them for their mics xd
vagrant cape
I like to listen, but that vod was unlistenable. They have a later one that has resolved it, thankfully
neat root
TL or wall?
sick sentinel
How are prot warriors faring in m+ these days?
steel mauve
good
sick sentinel
I know dh took the meta spot but they still seem to have that damage.
keen pivot
<@!220190122665181186> idk how this server feels about posting logs, but if they...
Sorry I don't have logs for m+, thanks. I also run as dps with a monk tank, and yes, he is a very good tank with higher ilvl, but he will pull large pulls that I know would kill me and we clear it np. 😦
tired cove
just bug sense to stream like i do 🙂
astral crystal
man ITF do feel good ngl
woven kiln
+14s on prot feel like an exercise in group comp snares
dense pivot
probably true for any tank atm?
woven kiln
my warrior is getting so much cardio in with all the kiting
probably tbh
13s you can sort of stand there and mitigate, but after that it's just silly
north rampart
Back or shoulders to build the wall in?
tall mural
Should be shoulders cause higher stat budget
west yew
is there any way to calc how much dr i get from a shield upgrade?
i had a 194 shield and got a 200 from raid last night and im wondering how much it's helping me
cedar rose
What legendary are you guys crafting first?
mellow patio
TL
steady spruce
@empty locust stewart is bugged in m+ if you unlocked talent xhznge or postmail with him
empty locust
Cheers i thought it was bugged
steady spruce
Yeah i looked pretty stupid when i asked my group to let me activate the golem
orchid depot
Been doing 10s m+ lately
I never knew how much kiting I have to do
Worst part of this all is that you have to choose between spending rage on defensive or Revenge in order to keep aggro 😦
such a dilemma
steady spruce
Yeah coming from classic i have a hart time knowing how mych threat i need to make
steel mauve
when pugging threat is a non issue for me, even with friends groups of higher dpos
steady spruce
And threat plates doesn't really show you how much threat the dps do
empty locust
Me too, i'm like "wait, i'm going to activate this and it will give us a buff" then 30 seconds later i'm ranting
sharp orbit
even when tanking
its IP on steroids
now imagine when your signet procs rampage
i had 16k opener on BL todays slutfridge
hexed helm
im trying to main prot warrior this xpac, i just hit ilvl 190 and i just feel really weak in M+ i havent been able to get past a +7 on time and even there it is really rough. any tips?
radiant oxide
any tips talents for torgast as prot?
sharp orbit
im trying to main prot warrior this xpac, i just hit ilvl 190 and i just feel re...
learn routes and what mobs do, when to stun, what to kick and reflect
never show mobs your back and you will be fine
hexed helm
should i be watching youtube or is there beter guides elsewear?
sharp orbit
also dont forget you have slow, fear and kick yourself
hexed helm
what is my slow ability?
tribal yacht
anyone else feel like paper when prot?
hexed helm
i feel super weak and like i should have picked a diff class lol
civic rover
anyone else feel like paper when prot?
no
tribal yacht
yea i feel like i get chopped constantly
jolly gyro
@hexed helm same here
civic rover
as long as you use rage properly, rotate cooldowns and mitigation, and kite when needed, you will be fine.
if my dumbass is able to tank 8-10 keys without problems, y'all will get there in no time too.
it's a different playstyle from bfa and takes getting used to. just keep at it.
sharp orbit
I love the state of prot honestly
narrow ivy
So I got another question as a new prot warrior
hexed helm
i think haf my problems are that i pug alot of M+ and more than half the time i get at least 1 shitty team mate
narrow ivy
How do we handle kiting in plays like De Other Side?
civic rover
uh
grand drum
yea theres some mobs that feel overtuned atm that i feel like i have to kite from all the time. like those dogs in halls of atonement
civic rover
either go kyrian, have a boss healer, have unlimited interrupts, or cry.
narrow ivy
I'm used to XIV tanking where not moving is essential but it really doesn't seem to be the case here
sharp orbit
yea theres some mobs that feel overtuned atm that i feel like i have to kite fro...
stun the cast and you are good
narrow ivy
And nothing I find online says how to kite as warrior
civic rover
nah in wow sometimes the best thing to do is just run the fuck away
its quite literally, just leap away and run lol
narrow ivy
but
civic rover
but yeah, dungeons like DOS, Necrotic Wake, and Plaguefall are pretty warrior unfriendly.
narrow ivy
don't I lose aggro when I do that
coral ledge
I think one of our shouts is the slow and also maybe hamstring?
narrow ivy
Prot doesnt have Piercing Shout iirc
coral ledge
Ooo
sharp orbit
as thers just way too much magic damage and you are dependant on your tmates cc too much
grand drum
TC slows by 30%
hexed helm
i love DOS but whenever i run plague it feels so much harder
narrow ivy
ya ok
civic rover
these dungeons are pretty hard on tanks in general
narrow ivy
Cause right now I feel like thaat's what's holding me back
civic rover
tanks are extremely reliant on the group playing correctly.
narrow ivy
I can handle some +8s but +9 and above is not good
hexed helm
i havent got a key for that this week lol
grand drum
no wonder why i like tirna the most
sharp orbit
Everything there just play into warrior kit too much
narrow ivy
I just can't help but to eat shit on the Deathspeaker mobs and if I get called a shit tank again I'll prob give up ]:
That shit do sting
hexed helm
it hurts but i am a shit tank so not much i can do
sharp orbit
nothing i could do
narrow ivy
well at least it's not just me
hexed helm
lol
coral ledge
Shit tanks can still become godlike you must just dedicate yourself to the art
sharp orbit
amen
hexed helm
im trying i have not yet learned the ways of the gods
sharp orbit
- challenging tank logs is much more fun than dps
because you actually cannot afford to tunnel much
jolly gyro
any of you guys have problems holding aggro on large groups?
narrow ivy
Sometimes yea
sharp orbit
I run dragons roar so not rly
narrow ivy
I charge in, TC, then backedal fo ra little bit till the mobs group up more
grand drum
if things exceed target cap them sometimes
hexed helm
ive tried other classes and roles but i keep coming back to prot warrior and idek, i feel like i do so bad on it
sharp orbit
or of i pop bladestorm
sharp orbit
yeah or ravager if you run it
narrow ivy
I need to make a keybind for ravager that just casts it on my target tbh
sharp orbit
you cant
narrow ivy
fugg
hexed helm
i havent used ravenger yet im running pure thunderclap. is that a bad idea?
grand drum
usually avatar+spear is good enough
sharp orbit
make one that targets yourself
jolly gyro
when i revenge without proc I cant use ignore pain
civic rover
welcome to new prot
narrow ivy
also I'm nightfae
jolly gyro
thats my dilemma 😄
sharp orbit
thats why you play belf
jolly gyro
I have to chose aggro or ignore pain
sharp orbit
and arcane torrent in clutches
civic rover
ideally no, if you conserve rage
hexed helm
im Nfea too:)
civic rover
i mean every pull is different but im able to get like 3 revenges off and still use mitigation.
civic rover
i swapped from necro to kyrian yesterday
grand drum
Necro lmaooooo
civic rover
best decision i ever made
sharp orbit
such a rare speciman
civic rover
the kyrian potion is literally op
grand drum
the kyrian potion is literally op
Yea i cant believe how many bleeds blizz put in dungeons
steel mauve
@jolly gyro i rarely ever have aggro issues, and dont ever need to choose revenge over ignore pain, i still usually only use free revenge procs
narrow ivy
ravager awards stupid rage
civic rover
shadowlands: you are borderline 100% reliant on your group to play every pull well
narrow ivy
and I use bolster so I can also do uhhh
grand drum
Yea i hate to admit it but i feel like i miss bfa dungeons already
sharp orbit
bfa: procing my 80 corr devastations
narrow ivy
that conduit that makes Last Stand give 50% extra rage gen
sharp orbit
and clearing whole mechagon od +15 in one go
steel mauve
Most of our aoe cds like ravaget are short ce and can be used often, and tclap usually secures my aggro early on
narrow ivy
I tend to use ravager every other pull
glacial skiff
steel mauve
No
grand drum
Does ravager proc signet?
sharp orbit
but its not for everyone
steel mauve
Ravager doesnt work with it
narrow ivy
I'm thinking of either Thunderlord or The Wall
steel mauve
And recklessness is decent but bladestorm isnt good if it procs
civic rover
in most situations, even in raid, thunderlord kinda looking to be the play tbh
so many aoe fights
civic rover
im not raiding on warr so thunderlords is my choice regardless lmao
steel mauve
But its 6 seconds of not gaining rage
sharp orbit
Signet is like playing memory on bfa pretty much
every avatar fills your rage bar pretty much instantly
with anger thats every 45 seconds or so
would not play it on kyrian tho
sharp orbit
But its 6 seconds of not gaining rage
also its 3 seconds and it gives you full rage bar
shorter with haste ofc
narrow ivy
I dont raid on prot but I do do M+
sharp orbit
But hey thunder or wall are probably better if you wanna minmax you defensives etc
narrow ivy
also next patch is giving all tanks +10% threat gen so that's gonna be nice
tawny fossil
yeah I'm looking forward to it, it hasn't been much of an issue, but I've lost aggro to fire mages or pallys going ham
narrow ivy
ya
honestly, prot warrior needs some hella buffs to compete
I'm ilvl 192 and eat shit on +9s
tawny fossil
I think that prot is gonna scale well during this expac, and most warriors are still adjusting to changes
vagrant cape
to be fair, VDHs mostly kite to survive 9+ keys. All tanks are getting absolutely decked by dungeons
tawny fossil
that's good to hear
I've definitely been curious if I've been doing something majorly wrong lol
narrow ivy
same tbh
tawny fossil
but then I do a sanguine halls +8 with a good group and we shred it
astral crystal
just gotta get used to kiting, but that really shouldn't be what's expected of tanks tbh
narrow ivy
It sure seems that way
tawny fossil
yeah, it seems like kicks are more important than ever. I've had groups fall apart on trash in mists because people just don't interrupt
narrow ivy
the only things I've seen in mists that need interrupting are Staghorns and uhh
the boss
and Nourish
astral crystal
DoS is a tuff dungeon
tawny fossil
DoS has some nasty trash mobs
narrow ivy
u g h
jaunty vector
what's a good resource for learning best routes in M+
astral crystal
watch vods
narrow ivy
I can't wait to get slamfucked by thordoka
astral crystal
mdt is great and everything but watching vods gives you the strats in full
jaunty vector
mdt?
sharp orbit
method dungeon tools
dense flame
@jaunty vector watch high streamers.
narrow ivy
I use MDT
sharp orbit
now called mythic dungeons tools i think?
dense flame
Mythic dungeon tool routs from raider io
And failing
You will find routes that are great but require too much coordination from pugs
Just be flexible. Know what packs are fucked.
narrow ivy
coughdeathspeakercough
undone jacinth
Tyrannical is gonna be a nightmare 😦
dense flame
Yes
astral crystal
in some cases yeah
for sure
where trash is toxic
spires tyran will probably be a little nicer
jaunty vector
is there a wa yto import MDT routes?
astral crystal
yep
astral crystal
narrow ivy
I use the icyveins site cause I need it on a different monitor
astral crystal
google around
narrow ivy
yeah that one
astral crystal
lol i do the same thing rensa
narrow ivy
and over time you just get a feel for it too
tepid raptor
does prot even work rn? 😦
mighty cairn
cleared 10/10 N and 10+ keys this week - feels doable but weaker than other tank specs by varying amounts
narrow ivy
It's the weakest of the tanks by a pretty heavy amount
but with the right teams/pugs you can get by
sturdy sable
Lol
narrow ivy
I've been doing LFG M+ and clearing some +8s and almost timed some +9s
mighty cairn
yeah it depends a lot on the dungeon also
some packs this week are extremely hard to mitigate without kicks/CC from dps
undone jacinth
u can’t say it’s the weakest tank when ur doing 8s bro
narrow ivy
@mighty cairn is doing 10s 6w6 but I dunno if he's got his own grou or what
I'm solo pugging
sturdy sable
There's your problem
mighty cairn
I'm in a coordinated group - it's definitely one of the lower tier tanks in M+ right now
and it's harder on your healer also
in both M+ and raids
narrow ivy
yeah
sturdy sable
You'll feel like paper if your dps arnt actually doing anything but well... dps
mighty cairn
you also bring less utility and average damage
narrow ivy
people like V DH or Guardian because they're more self sufficient
We're definitely the most reliant tanks and I have no idea how to fix it
sturdy sable
We are a mitigation tank not a self heal tank tho
undone jacinth
Prot isn’t amazing but there’s not a massive gulf other than to veng which is flat broken
mighty cairn
yeah there's just a lot of stuff that's difficult to mitigate at the moment
but everyone is still learning
sturdy sable
Well I imagine being stuck at 180ish ilvl is part of the problem
Shield upgrades are also major
undone jacinth
and my Prot has a lot higher dmg output than my bear so not sure what u meant there
tepid raptor
but prot is paper doe
undone jacinth
it’s weaker but the guy said about dmg
narrow ivy
yeah my shield is only 187
mighty cairn
yeah prot's damage can really pop off on some packs
and it will keep getting better and better
vagrant cape
does war machine proc only if I last hit?
undone jacinth
nope
west prairie
signet best for prot ?
undone jacinth
nope