protection

[chilly brook]

Fine

It's fun

More capable than people think it is

[elfin lark]

I don't think warriors are BAD but we definitely don't have the tools some tanks have to makeup for bad dpsers

[chilly brook]

Similar to 8.0 in community perception and actual power is higher than perceived just like in 8.0

[golden pollen]

Just don't expect perma avatar and clap and warrior is fine

[chilly brook]

Missing kicks is going to be the biggest problem besides bad rage management

[nimble drift]

Very frustrating I keep getting huge ilvl upgrades but they don't have haste

very annoying

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ilvl upgrades are good

Haste is nice but its whatever

[formal river]

once you get up to M0 gear you can start being pretty picky

[chilly brook]

Not really

Ilvl is still king

[distant crystal]

you misspelled leech

😏

[undone sun]

Leech is for ||nerds||

[haughty meteor]

In m+ you can pretty much kite when you are out of SB juice. In raids though I feel super squishy when the only thing I can do is spam IP until demo/LS/SB/SW comes up. It really feels bad just standing there getting dicked.

[steel mauve]

Ilvl will still almost always win out with the exception of possibly rings and necks, we dont devalue that much from str/armor/stam from the ilvl off armor pieces

[fallow mortar]

eh, I would say trinkets are an exception as well. A few points of str won't mean much

[chilly brook]

Depends on the trinket

[fallow mortar]

right. I had an upgrade from a mythic drop, but it was the stone heart one.... I said fuck that and vendored it XD

[nimble drift]

Lol I'm ilvl 190

[mental scarab]

Soooo first packs in ”the mist of all magic shit” dungeon, they give a magic dmg debuff can it be dispelled or something?

[jagged pier]

yes

[mental scarab]

Cool

[vestal echo]

this game genuine starting to piss me off

[fallow mortar]

oh?

[vestal echo]

i go in charge, thunderclap, dps gets aggro and then scream at me. WTF am i stupposed to do?

[fallow mortar]

ravager and revenge

[vestal echo]

i go watch a video, shitty warrior charges, thunder claps, all mobs stay glued forever

by the time i cast ravager and revenger

i am dead to motherfucking gorgon bears

[fallow mortar]

cast ravager first before charging in. Then avatar and then SB

[vestal echo]

because i didnt have the time to pop demo or shield block, if i pop demo/shield block instead then iditos scream i have no aggros

this game fucking hates me

[fallow mortar]

also tell DPS to wait a few seconds

[vestal echo]

i am about to throw my fucking laptop out the window

oh when i tell them that they call me bad

[fallow mortar]

is this pugs?

[vestal echo]

yes

[fallow mortar]

then leave

[vestal echo]

i need my gear dude

and then u have morons in +4 asking for 190s

[fallow mortar]

you can always find a different group

[vestal echo]

yeah issue is that every grp i was in was like that

[fallow mortar]

then it sounds like you are just in a shitty realm

[vestal echo]

i am on Arthas dude

shared with illidan and area 52

and shitty players from azralon and ragnors unforutently

[fallow mortar]

Those realms mean nothing to me

[vestal echo]

my favorite part is when i go on youtube and watch these gods running +15s in their shitty 185+ gear

dumb motherfuckers at +8 asking for 200

fuck this game

sorry i am angry right now

area-52 is the highest and most populated #1 server in the entire of USA

Iliddan is the #1 PvE progression server in the world

so how can that not mean anything

[fallow mortar]

because I don't know those realms?

I don't care about what is happening outside of my own realm. I am too inexperienced to care what is happening beyond my realm

[vestal echo]

so wait

why do i have to cast SB?

woops i meant vatar

does the increase of damage gives u more aggro

avatar*

[fallow mortar]

yes?

avatar also gives you 40 rage

which is enough for SB

if you don't ihave avatar, then you start with ravager> charge, shield slam> SB

[solar crown]

https://mplus.subcreation.net/

Lets just say its not normal to do +15, but people ingame having requirements om their groups are just retarded in general

[half tide]

which leggo is better for pushing M+ key, i see The Wall / Thunderlord / Tormented Kings ? Quite hard to decide... Ty for answers

[solar crown]

Thunderlord seems to be the general oppinion. The wall is kice but its better for raids

[fallow mortar]

^

[solar crown]

Personally i feel leggos are underwhelming in general.. and it feels like the talent-build that goes well with thunderlord is not a very good build, so you end up with the leggo without UF and AM

Havent tried it myself but its just my 2 cents

[flint cliff]

Log out -> Create new character -> Demonhunter

[half tide]

hum i see, and with the Wall, AM mendatory... with Ravager and BM or DR?

haha DH is for weak ppl

[fallow mortar]

AM is not mandatory

[robust kite]

Just finished a +7 SoA Boys! Anyone else think the birbs in there are way overtuned?

[fallow mortar]

ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY

[robust kite]

Them Birbs hit like trucks

[fallow mortar]

it is the DoT they put on us

[solar crown]

Not sure i understand..
Nothing is really mandatory, but ravager is really good for m+. I would go ravager + bolster to push higher keys.

[robust kite]

Yeah theres like 2 packs with 4-5 birds and they will stack you out quick, just a recommendation bring a hunter / rogue for sapping atleast 1 and drag them off the CC'd target

[fallow mortar]

ya, I have two mages, a DH and a Druid in my group.... we just need to remember to use our cc. great at kicking, not with CC XD

[robust kite]

I save shockwave just for the kite runs mainly

so scary randomly getting chunked for half my hp x)

[fallow mortar]

I keep forgetting to save it for when they start casting

[robust kite]

Just takes practice, im a new prot warrior so I play scared atm

[jagged pier]

u can SR multiple if they cast at the same time

[fallow mortar]

o.o

takes notes

[robust kite]

Question: Does anyone know if you can shatter the Robot's anima recharge shield?

if so it would be big brain

[jagged pier]

no but it does damage to the absorb

[solar crown]

What? Spell reflect isnt instantly used when 1 spell hits you?

[fallow mortar]

ya I use shatter whenever I see the fuckton of shields that bosses or elite mobs use

[jagged pier]

if spells are cast/hit you at the same time the game doesnt know which one hits first so it rflects multiple

[robust kite]

they all cast at same time and its not projectile based so you should be able to reflect multiple inc at same game tick

[jagged pier]

in HoA test it on the wicked bolt casters

as they will insta cast stand away from them

both the spells will go back

[robust kite]

Any tips for group comp for a Plaguefall? I'm thinking Frost mage for slows, and some cleave dps and maybe rogue for the single target burst on Dr. Ickus

[jagged pier]

just get a paladin or priest, or anyone who can get rid of posions or diseases

[solar crown]

Nice, then you can pull a large pack, shockwave and then use spell reflect

[jagged pier]

the bird in SoA cast after being in combat for a little while, on beta you could pull the pack and they would all cast at the same time, but they dont seem to do that anymore, or i was insanly lucky on beta

[robust kite]

They still cast at same time after you SW them atleast when I did that +7 they were all casting same time

[quartz mist]

buying a torghast boost on my alt, can prot wars solo carry it ?

[sweet summit]

yes

[fallow mortar]

gone to lvl 6 and had no issues

[sick sentinel]

Easy peasy, just understand how to play a prot warrior properly though, and you’d breeze through layers

[rigid kettle]

@quartz mist shiiiet ill carry you and you can pick the spec

[desert wigeon]

What does SB mean?

[fallow mortar]

shield block

[desert wigeon]

Ohh got it ty

[ionic fern]

So it is real....

😂

[glacial coyote]

Holy moly. Never seen that, surelly looks broken

[ionic fern]

Yes, yes it is broken.

[glacial coyote]

262k in a single hit xD

[haughty meteor]

buying a torghast boost on my alt, can prot wars solo carry it ?
@quartz mist
Last run I got some sweet 10%proc on hit to get ignore pain stacked with some IP scaling and heal on dmg done stuff. If I pulled big enough I was immortal.

[ionic fern]

But...you are immortal anyways.

👀

[haughty meteor]

I mean, I could AFK a full floor 😆

Felt like playing an auto castwhendmgtaken herald bot in PoE.

[muted pendant]

I like the power where you have a chance of getting SW proc on IP xD

immortal

[haughty meteor]

You get what you get. Some runs you can pretty much only pick titan levels of survivability. Other runs you just ramp up to several hundred % dmg multipliers and oneshot everything.

[ebon jasper]

I got the 50% SW on IP and then also 10% chance to cast IP on getting hit

[edgy venture]

In what way should I change my talents when using The Wall legendary now that I can repace Thunderlord for raids.

[fallow mortar]

ITF for raids

[edgy venture]

ITF?

OH

[fallow mortar]

Into the Fray

[edgy venture]

Yeah I was looking at the talents looking for ITF

was blind

ok

[robust kite]

Thoughts on the "Ritual Bone Band" from ToP? It's Vers / Mastery wanted vers haste but this thing has 101 vers on mythic 0

[fallow mortar]

is it a higher ilvl than what you currently have?

[robust kite]

same iLvl 194

current ring is crit / vers but is crit really even worth it?

This ring has over 50 more vers

[fallow mortar]

parry is nice for free revenge

and crit is less if not equal to vers

with mastery being last in priority

so either take it it because it has more vers, or don't take it because it has mastery. Matter of preference

[robust kite]

i just didn't know if mastery was more valuable than Crit, I'm 12% with it 10% without it

but with the Mast I go to 20% from 17 and 22% vers from 20

[sweet summit]

stat% are irrelevant
all stats are good

ideally you have haste rings

[robust kite]

^ Plz blizz give me haste rings

I need to go look up what trinkets are gonna be BiS to use for mythics cause Glad medallion and Alacrity aren't gonna cut it

[fallow mortar]

does anyone have wow head article on where we can go to upgrade conduits past 184? I had it but lost the page

[hallow phoenix]

Guildy's run today

[ionic fern]

Jeap.

[hallow phoenix]

Last boss

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure this was the first and last time i get it.

😂

[hallow phoenix]

The revenge one is common and fun

Just stack it up to 100, get a few more damage mods and crit for 300k+

[restive flax]

@ionic fern combine that shattering throw power with the power that grants +200% damage after heroic leap...

so damn fun^^

[autumn pendant]

I

HAVE

THE POWER

[hushed vessel]

@fallow mortar either do m+ raids or world bosses or get venari rep and buy the thing

[sweet kayak]

Should I upgrade my Thunderlord Stompers to 210 ivl?

it's currently 190

[hallow phoenix]

Do you raid

Probably better to make the wall or signet if so

[sweet kayak]

I don't raid 😦

Just m+

[hallow phoenix]

I'm sitting on 190 tgv and 190 deathmaker cause I play fury too

[sweet kayak]

Ohh I see

[hallow phoenix]

If you only tank m+ then go ahead and upgrade that ilvl

Though I suppose signet could be big fun in lower keys

[sweet kayak]

Right, then I have to buy Shadowghast Sabatons from AH to be able to upgrade it ye?

the 210 ilvl one

[jagged pier]

yes all 3 seconds of reck or bladestorm that only procs on avatar

[hallow phoenix]

Does it not work with ravager?

Wtf

[jagged pier]

nope

[hallow phoenix]

That's dumb

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[modest anchor]

If you're not BV and and UF talented, it's not worth upgrading Thunderlord.

[sweet kayak]

Ok thanks 🙂

[jagged pier]

wrong

[sweet kayak]

Alright

[jagged pier]

you run rav and bolster and BV even with thunderlords

[lavish summit]

signet

[modest anchor]

Bolster? Are you getting you're teeth kicked in every pull?

[hallow phoenix]

Are you not?

[modest anchor]

Negative

[jagged pier]

what lvl of content you doing dude, the higher you go the most you need bolster

[hallow phoenix]

So you just tank without sb

[finite coral]

Hi all, sorry if the wrong place, cant find this on the pins. I want to have a macro to quickly tell the party which raid icon means what but I'm struggling with how I do that. Does someone have a template I could use?

[hallow phoenix]

Bolster is pretty necessary in the +11s and +12s

[modest anchor]

Bolster's necessary then as you're forced to go more defensive. 10+is certainly pushing the limits as early as it is.

[hallow phoenix]

Guinness just make a text macro explaining what you want

[modest anchor]

What Tusks said

Keep it simple though. ppl tend to get confused, lol

[hallow phoenix]

Kill {skull} first, then {x}. Keep kicks on {moon}. etc

Whatever your needs and wants are

Post at start of dungeon

[jagged pier]

nope

[finite coral]

Yeah good plan - I'll do that

thanks guys

[hallow phoenix]

We have different strengths. Did a DoS where the heals was surprised when my health didn't move on huge mongo pulls with mostly physical damage mobs

[modest anchor]

Magic pulls are what f's us in most cases.

[hallow phoenix]

Then on certain toxic majicks packs we both agree things were spicy

[modest anchor]

mini boss in necrotic for instance...perfect example

[hallow phoenix]

Warrior is definitely not weak however

[modest anchor]

Not weak, but we have our weaknesses. As long as we and our healer are ready for it, it's definitely overcomable.

[hallow phoenix]

So far the limitation in my keys has been dps getting absolutely wrecked by bosses

[restive flax]

The miniboss in necro is pain...

[hallow phoenix]

Just use the orb and then the hammer

[modest anchor]

That's what I do

[hallow phoenix]

Spawn prideful right before the miniboss

[modest anchor]

orb and hammer the bastard immediately

[restive flax]

Although I had a super fkin smooth pull in there with my group in a +9 in there. The pack got completely deleted

And everyone kicked as if we were in voice

I kinda want the hammer for later packs

[modest anchor]

It's not impossible. It's extremely doable with the right tactics. I've had runs where miniboss nuked us and runs where we nuked it.

[hallow phoenix]

You get three hammers

[restive flax]

3?

[hallow phoenix]

Our current route uses a hammer and orb on the miniboss, then one orb, two hammers, and three spears on the upstairs trash

[restive flax]

Where's the third one?

[hallow phoenix]

Take a right after the bridge and hug the edge

[restive flax]

I know the start and the one past the skeleton dude

[hallow phoenix]

You'll see a hammer and a shield near a tent thing

Near two mobs

[restive flax]

Yeah okay I know that one

And the one at the start

[hallow phoenix]

There's a hammer near the caster miniboss

[restive flax]

Oh right that's 3.

[hallow phoenix]

Right before the bridge on the left

[restive flax]

Major smoothbrain here

Knew all of those already. Can't count.

[hallow phoenix]

And if anything keeps giving you trouble just make friends with a balance druid and all your worries will wash away

[modest anchor]

^^^

That aoe silence is baws

[fickle kiln]

aftershock been doing work so far for me

[hallow phoenix]

NF > Kyrian fite me stinky owl boys

[dapper dock]

is prot survivability rough right now or are my healers trash?

[hallow phoenix]

There's a third option...

[dapper dock]

i'm bad

[hallow phoenix]

Or your healers are bad

Survivability is fine

What content are you struggling in

[fickle kiln]

use your CDs

demo shout and spell reflect for magic res even if you dont reflect anything

[hallow phoenix]

That being said, there is a whole lot you can reflect in these dungeons

[blissful imp]

Yo, what name plate adding you guys use?

Been using threat plates since wrath, but I dunno if my settings got reset or what but its been frustrating me lately

Hard to tell what I have targeted in a large pack, hard to swap through plates to get to the caster I want to interrupt

Thinking maybe there is a better option these days

[sweet summit]

i like plater

[hallow phoenix]

I use elvui but used to use plater. Plater is incredibly powerful

[still pagoda]

elvui, tukui and plater nameplates are good

everything else is meh at best nowadays

[robust kite]

I use KkThnxUI its really clean

[empty nexus]

for torghast ravager and bolstering or UF and anger management

[robust kite]

^ Situational on Layer imo

[empty nexus]

atm trying to do up to 3 cuz dont have much gear just hit 60 yesterday lol

[robust kite]

Higher layers with a party I'd just run Rav / bolster but under 6 I'd just run UF / Anger Management

[empty nexus]

gonna give it a shot ty 😄

[robust kite]

GL GL

[still pagoda]

i'm using ravej+AM for it

UF is just too clunky and doesn't bring anything above ravager rn

[open monolith]

I would say "also use war machine in torghast"

but that requires making room for devastate on my bar

and I'm not gonna do that

[sweet summit]

just get the power that gives you wm

👍

[pulsar ginkgo]

yoo guys any tips for not getting completly melted in +10 ? im 191 Ilvl and have to run everytime after 7 sec from mobs - im playing PUG mythic + but hell i cant tank anything in melee + 10 sec shieldblock is up whenever physical hits and ifonore pain + demoshout in down phases by mob pulls at start

[open monolith]

Needing to kite and run is normal.

Biggest mistake tanks make is thinking that they should be able to stand there and let mobs in a +10 smack them in the face the whole time. You might be able to do that with a great healer and 3 very solid DPS who are stunning / CCing important casts.

If not, be prepared to run.

[final mist]

there;s a very high chance that pugs just are never going to interrupt or CC things they should

[undone jacinth]

anyone got a good tank WA set for nathria?

[open monolith]

https://wago.io/weakauras

Search "Castle Nathria"

take your pick

[still pagoda]

a better way is to kite around SB cooldown

[peak flower]

does anyone know why almost no guilds are running warrior tanks? i checked like the top 25 heroic kils and only 1 russian? guild had a warrior tank. Feels bad

[undone jacinth]

weak vs bleeds and isn't a meta tank

[still pagoda]

Just as any other tank in the game

[peak flower]

feels bad man

[still pagoda]

bleeds kill everyone

[undone jacinth]

others have more self sustain

which is better vs heals

vs bleeds even

[peak flower]

i choose the wrong main lol

[open monolith]

No you didn't.

[undone jacinth]

prot is completely fine

there's a decent chance the WF guild will run one

[open monolith]

Warrior is exceptionally good in Nathria specifically

because so many things can be deflected with spell reflect

[still pagoda]

KR bleed was almost oneshotting DK's and palas. Neither the self-sustain could help them. Warri had to kite around bleed cd to avoid getting YEETed. DH's were in the same story. Brew was getting wrecked on such bleeds too

[undone jacinth]

dude u don't need to get in to it

[open monolith]

Yeah the "other tanks have more self sustain" is not really true in terms of surviving bleeds. That self sustain is just part of their normal mitigation

[undone jacinth]

warr is worse vs bleeds than all tanks apart from bear but bear has more options

its not a debate

but its also not gamebreaking

[still pagoda]

no one gives a fuck, @peak flower, play whatever you want and master it unless you're a WF raider on anything of that sort lul

[open monolith]

I mean, you aren't correct.

[undone jacinth]

xd

[still pagoda]

@undone jacinth play around this, don't be a bitch

[undone jacinth]

lol

[open monolith]

A prot paladin is not better vs bleeds than a warrior, because to "sustain" through it, they have to use HP on WoG instead of SOTR, which then makes them squishy to everything else.

[still pagoda]

^

[undone jacinth]

and what option like that does a warr have?

shield block?

lawl

[open monolith]

Ignore pain.

?

[undone jacinth]

ah yes

amazing

[open monolith]

We don't have to use a different tool than we would normally in order to mitigate the bleed

it's just part of the normal mitigation "rotation"

[undone jacinth]

they use their rage on IP instead of sb

and pala uses on wog instead of sotr

[open monolith]

They use their rage on both

have you ever played a warrior? lol

[undone jacinth]

xdddd

[haughty meteor]

Shots fired

[open monolith]

If you aren't using both of your active mitigation tools, you are very likely not playing the class very well.

[undone jacinth]

what does warrior have

beyond IP

wall?

[open monolith]

doesn't... really need anything else?

[undone jacinth]

lmao

[open monolith]

how far into the raid are you?

[undone jacinth]

10/10

[open monolith]

because I had 0 issues tanking any of the bleeds

[undone jacinth]

yeh

so it must not be a problem

great

gl in mythic

[open monolith]

yikes dude

[undone jacinth]

it doesnt matter if u had aproblem

or didnt have a problem

bleeds dont instantly 1 shot u, but warr is objectively worse than other classes that have DR and sustain

vs them

very simple

its still completely playable

as u have proven with ur incredible skill

[open monolith]

You are an unpleasant person.

Good luck with your future endeavors.

[undone jacinth]

good one

[dense pivot]

ego trips smh

[undone jacinth]

warr doesnt need anything, but somehow pala is worse when it also has the benefit of cons, bop, bubble, ardent, guardian and heals lol

makes so much sense

[haughty meteor]

Ugly business sigh

[subtle kestrel]

I like turtles

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if asmon serious about opening magic cards or not

[subtle kestrel]

I’d love it

[sick sentinel]

even if just opening it alone always something nice about opening packs of cards

for me when i was young it was yugioh

[subtle kestrel]

I don’t play at all anymore but whenever I go through target or something with my gf I grab a pack or two lol

MTG could use some big exposure like asmon

[grizzled parcel]

caring about E-celebs

[split portal]

Is seismic reverberation a good choice?

[sick sentinel]

oh lmao, wrong channel

whatever

[opaque marlin]

Does anyone have any thoughts on WoWHead gear guide vs AskMrRobot? I've been following the WoWHead guide, but MrRobot tells me I'm now too high in haste and need to look at other gear with more vers & mastery.

[still pagoda]

AskMrRobot was always garbage

its "tanking sim" works purely off of EHP which makes it drop all the haste for no reason

[opaque marlin]

That's good to know, thanks. 🙂

[still pagoda]

there is never "too much haste"

[opaque marlin]

Any haste cape, though?

ok, cool

[leaden steeple]

anyone have macro for marking target as skull

[split portal]

Seismic reverberation anyone?

[still pagoda]

prot warri scales linearly from haste past 22% @opaque marlin

before that, it is even better

still the best stat after

[opaque marlin]

k, cool. I'm only at 18% right now, so sounds like I still have a lot of opportunity there.

[still pagoda]

more rage, lower CD's, more SB charges

smoother gameplay and more input

[still pagoda]

general rule of thumb is to go for ilvl and then pursue haste

[opaque marlin]

@split portal - don't like Thunderlord?

Trying for my damn belt in de other side.. won't drop lol

[open monolith]

@leaden steeple you don't need a macro for it

it's in the settings under keybinds

i have numpad 1 - 6 as all the marks

[sick sentinel]

i just use a world marker addon

2 clicks and world marker wherever i need it

[leaden steeple]

found it thanks

[open monolith]

y'all ever notice how the hand casting Chain Lightning in the spell icon is doing the shocker?

[sick sentinel]

oh well i don't know if it saved or not, but i did unsucessful +2 plaguefall

yeah, it saved the run of sanguine depths mythic i did at least anyhow

1 hr and 16 minutes or something. total recorded time

[strong forum]

just did a key with the wall

i like it more than thunderlord

tbh

[open monolith]

yeah?

[strong forum]

having more SW feels better

[open monolith]

I've been thinking about crafting it next week instead of taking TL to rank 3

[sick sentinel]

should be a "rent this legenadry for 24 hours" option

[open monolith]

probably helps a lot with rage smoothing

[strong forum]

its pretty nice getting 20 rage constantly from SS

[open monolith]

less big bursts of rage, but smoother rage over the course of the dungeon

how much does BV give?

is it... 40?

[strong forum]

ye

[timber nest]

I know that haste is king, but 101 vers is porbably b etter than 44 haste 😮

[open monolith]

okay so you would need 8 shield slams to have wall give more rage

[strong forum]

you need to get 4 ss in 20seconds to beat BV

[open monolith]

which isn't unreasonable

andrew i would stick with the haste, personally.

[strong forum]

stick with haste

[open monolith]

hmmmm. Interesting.

Lightee wasn't using TL at all yesterday either

I had been getting a sinking feeling that wall might actually be better feeling

does Demo shout ordinarily give rage?

or only w/ booming voice

[steel mauve]

only bv

[open monolith]

ill bet your overall DPS went down a significant amount using Wall vs TL, Nome

[still pagoda]

i would say that it depends for M+

both are great for their own

BV for more consistency in mitigation

[strong forum]

only with bv

[still pagoda]

wall for more frequent cooldowns

[open monolith]

so seems like you're giving up more rage and damage for more shield walls

how much does demo shout lower incoming damage, and for how long?

[sick sentinel]

you can only use one legendary at a time type thing?

[still pagoda]

20% for 8 seconds

[open monolith]

10% 8 sec

oh it is 20%

[sick sentinel]

i've not looked much into how everything works in shadowlands

[open monolith]

I think TL would result in less incoming damage over the course of a dungeon than the wall, too

wall is 30%, but with TL, Demo shout is up like, what, 40% of the time?

well, that's probably a bit high

I really like the idea of the wall, but I am just not seeing how it would perform better in m+ than TL.

[steel mauve]

if you take UF it is that high

[timber lagoon]

That 50% dr might be really helpful more frequently in higher keys though

[still pagoda]

SW is 50% DR, not 30%. both give enough.

Demo has ~50% uptime with TL. The Wall can be played with in M+ if you have a dungeon with a lot of high damage bursts that you can plan your pulls and Shield Walls around

[open monolith]

oh i thought SW was 30% for some reason lol

[still pagoda]

as wall shaves down half of SW cooldown

[timber lagoon]

so it is AM with wall always?

[open monolith]

@strong forum were you still running bolster, or AM with wall?

[strong forum]

bolster

[still pagoda]

you still need bolster if you're pushing

[timber lagoon]

Mmmmm I like it

[still pagoda]

consistency is the key

[open monolith]

yeah I'm torn. I know eventually I will have both

but do I go TL rank 3 or wall rank 1 this week

will I even have enough ash for a rank 3?

need 1200 soul ash to upgrade

[strong forum]

darkee is playing bfa build with dragon roar for some reason

[still pagoda]

hmmmm

200ilvl shield for 450 conquest

[strong forum]

but hes also 205 ilvl equipped and has 2x unholy dk, firemage and holy pally destroy the entire dungeon

[open monolith]

is darkee a clever paly on lightee

[strong forum]

also 213 shield

[still pagoda]

anyone up for some dumb cleave action?

[open monolith]

or is there actually someone named darkee lol

[strong forum]

hes named darkee

he only named himself lightee for mdi and broadcasting

[open monolith]

oh lol, his twitch is lightee7 so i wondered

and yeah I asked him about that

what he said was the snap threat of dragon's roar was more valuable to him

because of the amount of burst and insane threat of his group

[strong forum]

understandable

[open monolith]

I asked him if he would still run it if he had Misdirect

[strong forum]

which is also why he gets away with playing AM aswell

[open monolith]

he said, no he likely would not

[strong forum]

cuz everything does 15k+ dps including the healer

[open monolith]

Yeah, he can go full DPS because he is running a group of world first players who are on top of their shit

he was running yesterday with 2x unholy, 1x mage, 1x holy pally

absolutely decimating keys

[timber lagoon]

I like holy pally heading

[open monolith]

it just goes to show you, the most important thing in regard to a tank's survivability is actually his group's ability to kill things quickly and use interrupts / cc properly

[timber lagoon]

Question, got my haste to almost 20%, mastery around 20% also. Do I drop any haste for mastery?

[open monolith]

lol

fuck no newk

haste haste haste haste

haste

and then more haste

until you have 160% haste, stack more haste.

[timber lagoon]

[earnest frost]

is best served cold at all viable for like keys where im not getting shit on constantly or is it still better to take booming voice, also with revenge lego is best served cold potentially good?

[timber lagoon]

Got it

[steel mauve]

haste is never not good to have

[strong forum]

its a meme build as you lose alot of rage generation

and you have to pump a fuckton of rage into revenge almost exclusively to do more dps than your regular build

[open monolith]

"Revenge no longer costs rage, but has a 6 second cooldown"

^ would this be a shit or good change

[earnest frost]

probs shit unless parrying resets the cd

[open monolith]

probably shit for low-tier dungeon where you didn't need to spam ignore pain

but probably good for high-tier lol

[strong forum]

revenge doesnt have a CD

[opaque marlin]

can't free revenge only proc 6 times per minute right now? So being able to use free revenge ever 6 seconds free of cost wouldn't seem bad?

[ionic fern]

@opaque marlin 3

[strong forum]

revenge proc is 3 times per minute

[earnest frost]

i was responding to sock

[strong forum]

ah

[open monolith]

pay attention :p

[strong forum]

the CD would be shit ye

since you use it often back to back to back

[earnest frost]

might just go with dragons roar tbh i fucking hate booming voice

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[open monolith]

[still pagoda]

[open monolith]

as demonstrated by darkee, dragon roar is a valid choice if you are in a group that is decimating keys and you need snap aggro

[earnest frost]

sounds good to me

[sick sentinel]

might try to do 3 more m+ runs for 2nd piece option

[open monolith]

i don't get why they made this wonky complicated vault system

should just be "choice from your top 3"

not this weird "top 1, and bottom of top 4, and bottom of top 10"

like... what was in the coffee that morning when they designed that

[restive flax]

Tea.

[still pagoda]

Tea and M+ all night

time to binge keys out

[open monolith]

seed water > leaf water

fight me

[still pagoda]

why not both

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/280080772340252672/593831711326994452/chima_brows.gif

[open monolith]

I mean, I enjoy both

but a cup of tea in the morning does nothing for me

the bitter taste of a cup of black coffee wakes me up

[still pagoda]

it's a 4th mug in 3 hours for me by now

[strong forum]

leaf water > seed water

[open monolith]

that's a lot of caffeine

leaf water belongs in the harbor

I saw that

I saw that before you deleted it in shame and you realized your joke didn't make sense in context

I'll never forget it, either.

[vagrant cape]

Yeah, I thought the person above said leafless tea, not leaf water

I just woke up

[open monolith]

what's with the (he/him) thing?

i've seen that a few times in some servers

[vagrant cape]

My pronouns

[open monolith]

o.o

[vagrant cape]

So people know they can use he/him when referring to me instead of guessing between he/she/they/etc

[open monolith]

oh.

Byron isn't a dead giveaway? lol

[vagrant cape]

Maybe, maybe not

I also want to normalize it so more people feel comfortable putting their pronouns in their name. Conversations like this are why a lot of people don't do it

[open monolith]

sure. was just asking because I have seen it a few times and didn't know what it was.

fuck me for being curious o.o

[vagrant cape]

Oh, no, I didn't mean to discourage you from asking, I'm glad you did

A lot more often I get very sarcastic people asking about it and I'm glad you were asking from a place of genuine curiosity :)

Is the icyveins guide up to date? It says that prot warriors have outstanding aoe dps. Is that still true in shadowlands? I'm disregarding tier lists and doomsaying from everyone else, I just want to know if they actually do good damage in aoe

[open monolith]

their damage is solid

it's not amazing

VDH and prot hav amazing aoe dps

warrior and the other tanks are all "solid"

[vagrant cape]

Yeah, I've heard. I'm so surprised they aren't nerfing veng dps

[open monolith]

light touches over time, rather than sweeping buffs or nerfs.

[vagrant cape]

But with a dh at level 50 and a warrior at level... 0... I'm finding it hard to justify getting a warrior to participate in shadowlands

[open monolith]

that seems to be their balance goal this time around

I'll always say "play what you enjoy", unless you're a world first raider, top 50 world, or your friends literally won't play with you otherwise

[vagrant cape]

Well, I'd like to join a very competitive guild at some point :P

But all in all, I need to see how the tanks play in shadowlands to find the one I enjoy most. I'm unsubbed right now because if I were playing, I'd bomb all my finals XD

[jagged pier]

@strong forum im with you I just ran a dungeon with the wall felt really really good

[vagrant cape]

Personal preference, which guide is better, icyveins or wowhead?

[open monolith]

icyveins imo

[smoky wave]

That's always been my concern with tl. It might be good, but it'll never feel good cos it's function is masked by other stuff.

[open monolith]

i think TL feels good

slamming demo shout more often feels great

in terms of outgoing damage, incoming rage, and incoming damage

[smoky wave]

But you don't get it more often, it just lasts longer

[still pagoda]

such friends are nothing but retards then lul

[jagged pier]

I mean i seem to have done more damage, due to having more rage for revenge, but it wasnt a very high key so didnt need to spam defensives

[open monolith]

you would need 8 shield slams in the time it takes for demo shout to come off CD w/ TL for it to be more rage

which... i actually don't think is super realistic if you are consistently hitting 3 targets with tclap on CD

oh well, no i'm being dumb again and not factoring in the fact that you still get rage from demo shout BV if you're not using TL

does Tenderize actually do any damage from Kyrian stitchwork, or is it only a debuff?

[opaque marlin]

Anyone else use Punish instead of devastator, or am I the only weirdo? lol

[open monolith]

you're not the only one, but most tend to use devastator

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/ahCVWBV.png

[robust kite]

Just tanked a low +3 SD and pulled 1.2m damage more than a priest 5 iLvls over me o_o

[opaque marlin]

wow, nice hands

[open monolith]

sick nome

[strong forum]

whos jelly

i know you are

[open monolith]

+9s give the same ilvl as +7 right?

[strong forum]

ye

[robust kite]

@strong forum Well if Blizz would stop giving me anima drops i could gear

[open monolith]

I think I'm gonna do my +10 NW for weekly, and then just spam +7 keys for loot

[strong forum]

we did sanguine depths 13

ovetime by 10min

[open monolith]

dude FUCK sanguine.

I hate everything about that dungeon

[strong forum]

all first 3 bosses are tough as shit

if you dont have big dick gamers

[open monolith]

so I know spell reflect works on the spinny orb boss

but does it like, completely negate the orb entirely

or just deflect the debuff

[still pagoda]

RIP my key if it will become sanguine rn then

[strong forum]

ye first boss we just barely managed

he fucks

[robust kite]

Idk Kryxis is easy, it's Tarvold where it gets annoying when people stand in stuff >_>

[strong forum]

1st boss is huge healing check

[open monolith]

to be fair though, nome

[strong forum]

and dps check

[open monolith]

your group is shit 🙂

[robust kite]

Yea its a check

[strong forum]

i know sock

[open monolith]

and is clearly carried by your big warrior dick

[robust kite]

You are the true carry @strong forum

[open monolith]

what is max ilvl end of dungeon cap

is it +14?

or 15

this week

[steel mauve]

same

[strong forum]

14

[steel mauve]

14 and 15 drop the same

[open monolith]

ah. I don't think I'll be clearing up to a 14 :\

not this week, anyway

[strong forum]

next week is worse

much much worse

[open monolith]

oh I don't mean in terms of modifiers

I mean in terms of available play time and the fact that i almost exclusively pug

[robust kite]

What mods are in rotation next week?

[strong forum]

fucking tyrannical alone is already death

[open monolith]

cold take: both fortified and tyrannical are fucking stupid modifiers. They are boring, uninteresting, and doodoo

[robust kite]

Bolstering is gonna be aids in ToP during the ghosts in the altar hallway

[open monolith]

bolstering in Sanguine is going to be aids in the gauntlet of sanguine

i can't imagine they would make the ghosts bolster

that would make that pull basically impossible

they did a decent job at not making tiny mobs burst this time around

[still pagoda]

morons not moving under the bubble on last boss of spires

[robust kite]

Anger intensifies @still pagoda

[open monolith]

what's the quickest way to de-level a key

start it solo and step out of the dungeon?

[twin comet]

I read that you can bug out the hallway gauntlet by going into the previous boss room once you start the event

I haven't tried it yet though

[open monolith]

I'm probably going to intentionally de-level any key I get that is Sanguine or Spires

those 2 are just pure cancer for pugs

[still pagoda]

yup

then reset

[gleaming thicket]

we think well ever get buffed

m+ feels like trash expect for our damage

im getting fkn rocked

above +7

[open monolith]

Are you standing there trying to take every single hit the entire time without kiting?

is your group properly using their interrupts on priority targets / CCing?

because if you answered yes to the first, and no to the second, yes - you are going to get rocked.

[gleaming thicket]

my point is, I dont have to do that to the same extent on my guardian druid

so are we going to see tuning

[open monolith]

m+ is a bit harder this time around due to a steeper gear treadmill, and I feel like the trash is more dangerous and needs coordinated interrupts / cc

[lusty ember]

There are 25 VDHs clearing 15s for every 1 prot warrior. Or at least those were the numbers earlier today

We'll see tuning

[open monolith]

anyway, my sarcastic answer to your question is: no, warrior will never receive a buff ever. I checked with my uncle who works at blizzard as well as my crystal ball

[gleaming thicket]

thats my point

[open monolith]

my more realistic answer is: yes probably, but who knows? lol

[steel mauve]

again, presence doesnt = ability

[gleaming thicket]

thanks stag mage

right but if they want it to be an esport and one of the tanks is hardly represented becuase its dogshit

theyll tune it

[lusty ember]

No but considering how much play we saw just last patch it's suggestive

[steel mauve]

warrior isnt dog shit though

[gleaming thicket]

it is

[steel mauve]

chances are its personal play thats a major factor

[open monolith]

it isn't.

[gleaming thicket]

the amount of damage it takes

is dogshit

[undone jacinth]

the game isnt designed around mdi

[gleaming thicket]

compared to the other tanks

[undone jacinth]

and mdi will usually see a tiny amount of representation anyway

isnt a good comparison

[gleaming thicket]

our active mit and ignore pain are shit

compared to my druid and dh

[empty nexus]

wut legendary for raid and what for m+

[gleaming thicket]

our damage is excellent

imo

[jagged pier]

yes the strongest mitigation spell in the game is dogshit

[open monolith]

Wall is good for both raid and m+, TL is only good for m+

[steel mauve]

i can guarantee that if you are taking shit tons of damage there are things you can do to fix that

[still pagoda]

another whining dude

move on

[steel mauve]

warriors are far from dog shit and if you have come to that conclusion from playing one then its a personal play problem and not an issue with the class

[undone jacinth]

truth

[open monolith]

warrior mitigates more physical damage than any other tank in the game currently

and while ignore pain isn't AMAZING, it certainly isn't dog shit

[steel mauve]

and we can ignore half the spells this expansion too

[torn gulch]

basically learn how to kite this xpac

[still pagoda]

this goes for every single tank spec tho

no matter what you play

[undone jacinth]

shouldnt really need to kite in 7s

[still pagoda]

kiting is nowhere hard

[undone jacinth]

unless ur undergeared

[torn gulch]

i did 7 at 177

[dense pivot]

vdh don't even tank super high keys they just jump around 🙂

[torn gulch]

i di need to kite

[open monolith]

I think a lot of people complaining about tanking in m+ are people who got too used to being geared AF late expansion and forgot what early expansion low-ilvl feels like. NOBODY is just standing there tanking 2 packs of mobs in a +10 right now

[undone jacinth]

177 is undergeared tho

7s drop 200 lol

[jagged pier]

no?

[torn gulch]

well in the second week of m0 i did not got any upgrades

[jagged pier]

pretty sure nom did 12s at like 178

[torn gulch]

in 8 dungeons

it is what it is

[open monolith]

You are correct, he did

[undone jacinth]

doing something doesnt mean ur not undergeared

just means u take more dmg

have to kite more etc

[steel mauve]

@torn gulch i feel that, had to do so many m+'s this week for 1 drop

[lusty ember]

I don't think we're dogshit. I think there's a lot of personal play issues stemming from how godly we were last patch. But I do think we're at the point where people are noticing that warriors need to work real hard for comparable results to other tanks

[open monolith]

I got a 200 wrist from the raid and the 200 helm from mists 😮

that's... about it lol

[jagged pier]

well as there are less loot drops in general yes you do

[lusty ember]

Basically sock has it right only we didn't have to work hard at all before

[steel mauve]

thats the change over from every expansion though

[torn gulch]

yeah people are waking up to a shock

coming from 100% vers

to being tricked

trucked*

[steel mauve]

people get too used to be gods at the end of an expansion and cant adjust to the play style of a new expansion and just want to complain about x class instead of looking inward at the real issue

[open monolith]

I think maybe we can all agree on this: all the people complaining about warrior highlights that warrior probably needs SOME adjustments to have a higher "floor". Warrior has very low-lows and is significantly more punishing with bad play. I agree that something could be done to perhaps make warrior better on average, but I am not sure what

[still pagoda]

even from old 0 vers. People who needed vers for 22-23 keys are pathetic

[torn gulch]

hahahaha

[undone jacinth]

ppl complain about every spec

go to any discord

[still pagoda]

i don't give a fuck

[undone jacinth]

i bet even veng players have something to complain about

[still pagoda]

just spamming M+ rn

[lusty ember]

Perfect phrasing. A higher floor is what people seem to want because the floor dropped out

[torn gulch]

imagine calling people pathetic for stacking a stat

like really?

what kind of mental gymnastics are you applying to get to this point

[open monolith]

I think, if my fantasies would come true, I would make Never Surrender baseline, and make it also increase how much IP shield absorbs at lower health, as well as maybe lower the rage cost of either revenge or IP

that would significantly lower the floor

might be too OP though

[torn gulch]

i am enjoying hard keys

[lusty ember]

I hate gameplay that revolves around lower health, shaman mastery was shit

[torn gulch]

doing +8 at 178 ilvl is actually difficult

and i enjoy it

[lusty ember]

I'm struggling to find a decent healer :(

[open monolith]

as am I. I really love the class and like playing it well, but I do feel bad for the.... I don't know how to say this without sounding like a condescending egomaniac, but, I Feel bad for the lower-skilled warriors who just don't "get" it, ya know?

[torn gulch]

and blame the class

kekw

[open monolith]

The difference in skill and attention needed between a prot war and brewmaster is just silly.

Brewmaster: literally always on mitigation.

[torn gulch]

if you guys want to play an easier tank then other tanks are waiting

[open monolith]

and I'm not hating, I love me some brewmaster.

[exotic spoke]

Its not about "easier" or "harder" its about what tanks bring to higher keys

[open monolith]

people watch streams of these world first raiders face-tanking +15s and get confused when they can't do the same in a +7 with similar gear, but the difference in damage taken in a group that interrupts and CCs vs one that doesn't is staggering

[torn gulch]

they don't facetank anymore

[timber nest]

Whats the plan for legendary c rafting? should i j ust make the boots or wait? all ive been doing is m+ recently, dont h ave a raid team.

[torn gulch]

in 15's

it's a kitefest this time

[lusty ember]

Well, it is. Bar bloat has an effect on gameplay. I find someone hitting more buttons more skilled

[open monolith]

I know. I've been watching.

[misty tartan]

just depleted a +10 DoS by 10s cuz I forgot to activate the statue after killing my side 😦

[lusty ember]

Ouch

[open monolith]

Mystic no 😦

did you at least get a hakkar trinket?

or death god's ring?

[torn gulch]

that hakker thinket

what do i have to do to get it at 226

[misty tartan]

I happened to get the brace r:P

[open monolith]

226? lol

[torn gulch]

do i have to sacrifice something to rng gods?

[misty tartan]

crit vers I think?

[torn gulch]

yea great vault trinket

[open monolith]

is 226 the weekly cap for a +14 in vault?

[misty tartan]

and the clap/revenge trinket so it's ok

[torn gulch]

yes

[open monolith]

I think I'm only gonna get 220 this week

[misty tartan]

conduit*

[open monolith]

I don't see myself doing a +14

[torn gulch]

when i will do 14's if i see that trinket in my vault

it will be the easiest choice of my life

[misty tartan]

you need to do 10 keys in total, of which 1/3/6 at +14 to get the highest choices right? seems out of reach for me for now

[open monolith]

I am still rocking a 171 shield D: D: D: D: D:

[torn gulch]

pay cash for a 190 shield?

[steel mauve]

ive still got a 155 shield lol

[torn gulch]

or live in mists

[open monolith]

I don't have the cash my dude lol

[torn gulch]

or you can live in mists of thirna schyte for a while

[open monolith]

or theater of pain

[lusty ember]

I'm going into raid FINALLY shortly - best mitigation trinket is the gargoyle heart thing. How much is the slow gonna wreck me

[torn gulch]

the mist one has haste/mastery

[steel mauve]

theater of pain has a barely better statted shield

[open monolith]

what slow stag?

[torn gulch]

slow from the trinket

[lusty ember]

The one on the trinket

[torn gulch]

you get 50% slow

[open monolith]

Oh. I probably wouldn't use it

[torn gulch]

when trinket is active

[open monolith]

do you have hakkar?

[lusty ember]

No :((

[open monolith]

go spam heroic DoS

there is no heroic lockout

and a 171 hakkar is probably better than a 200 of most other trinkets

[lusty ember]

You reckon it's that good? K I have time

[open monolith]

it absolutely is that good

the shield is massive

it's like 30% of your HP against a single target

[lusty ember]

Pwhoar

[torn gulch]

or even more in aoe

[open monolith]

Yeah. it fills mitigation gaps very nicely

[torn gulch]

i want that trinket and the pvp trinket with haste and main stat

or the phial of putrefaction

[open monolith]

just queue up for heroic De Other Side

kill Hakkar 1st

leave group when you don't get it

(don't do this)

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-gif-4928619

[torn gulch]

that's toxic kekw

[smoky wave]

Is it strong enough to get through the gap? Would you use it over ls/bolster to begin with or pop ls as a higher priority to it?

[open monolith]

I mean, just use it as needed

[smoky wave]

Ah right, ta

[open monolith]

don't overthink it

is big shield.

use big shield when need big shield

[smoky wave]

I don't think I'm capable of not over thinking it.

[open monolith]

i had a small halloween size bag of sour patch kids watermelons for breakfast.

because I'm an adult and can do what I want

[strong forum]

yo facts

[steady spruce]

Is the halls of attunement trinket any good? Seems pretty bad

Not sure what 300 armor is worth

[strong forum]

its omega terrible

[undone jacinth]

take sanguine trinket if u want some armour xd

[open monolith]

wait are there 2 armor trinkets?

I thought there was only the one from sanguine

[mild river]

Guys, legs 200 with haste and versa OR legs 203 with crit and mastery?

[open monolith]

which is higher ilvl

and what is the difference in ilvl

[undone jacinth]

u could just read his question

[open monolith]

oh 200 is the ilvl kek

haste.

idk why but i read it as 200 haste vs 203 crit, as though those were the secondary stats

despite those levels of stats being impossible with current ilvl

200iq

[strong forum]

id say the 200 haste pants

[open monolith]

yep.

3ilvl isn't enough to justify taking the higher ilvl over the haste

[pearl cliff]

What is BIS Lego for m+

Thunderlord?

[strong forum]

yea

[open monolith]

both TL and Wall are good in m+

[strong forum]

(im starting to like The Wall more though)

[open monolith]

with TL being "better"

[pearl cliff]

thanks fellas

[open monolith]

keep in mind Wall is significantly beter for raid

if that effects your decision at all

[steady aspen]

Torghast layer 5 1,1 millon overkill on boss

[open monolith]

charge / leap / shattering throw powers?

[sick anchor]

what endurance conduit do yall use

[strong forum]

last stand / shieldwall

[open monolith]

guides will tell you to use brutal vitality

[still pagoda]

RIP i guess

[open monolith]

but the secret is: all of our endurance conduits are shit

[still pagoda]

nice 3 days of AFK to see this after the 6th dung

[strong forum]

Sanguine 8 is fine, above 11/12 is when things get iffy

[still pagoda]

problem

Pugs

[strong forum]

10s are easier btw

lowkey the easiest keys

[still pagoda]

just as usual

[strong forum]

because prideful omega strong

[still pagoda]

abuse prideful and you're golden

[open monolith]

routing around prideful is too 300iq for me

[blissful imp]

Brutal Vitality feels bad when either your ignore pain gets slapped off before you can add much to it, or you gotta kite. Both cases are very true in 8+ keys

[still pagoda]

it is almost the same as awakening

[blissful imp]

It reads like its the best, but in practice it sucks

[still pagoda]

route around it and % and you'll be fine

reaping routing was the same

[still pagoda]

i'm just using SW conduit instead

[blissful imp]

Using a potency+finesse path right now

[blissful imp]

The rally cry finesse is nice

[open monolith]

I have been using fueled by vioelence.. it's... not amazing

all of our endurance conduits suck 😮

[still pagoda]

it is garbage even mathematically

[still pagoda]

SW and LS ones are good

[steady aspen]

charge / leap / shattering throw powers + 60% booming + @vatar

[strong forum]

bruh this conduit page looks sad

[open monolith]

is the LS one the one that gives us more rage generation during LS?

[still pagoda]

we're not talking torghast rn

[empty nexus]

if i wanna go pvp for memes what talents yall think are worth gettin

[still pagoda]

[still pagoda]

go for ravej

[open monolith]

He was talking about torghast eaerlier, and I asked him about it

he just responded later.

[still pagoda]

and kill people in BG's

[still pagoda]

RNG is a sad thing indeed

[open monolith]

I won't ever have a full conduit page

because WQs are stupid and boring and I Refuse

I also only ever do my weeklies in Maw and nothing else because Maw is stupid and boring and i refuse

[empty nexus]

devastator or punish ?

[strong forum]

i havent done maw in 6 days

[still pagoda]

maw's only reason to exist is sockets

[strong forum]

and now i cant show you my conduit page

cuz theres Q on kazzak

wtf

[still pagoda]

[strong forum]

there hasnt been a que since Wednesday

[still pagoda]

You know what is the saddest thing here

155 shield

[strong forum]

ye i saw

lowkey, m+ would be so much better if i had a 226 shield

fucking 190 shield makes me take damage

[open monolith]

I have a 171

quit yer bitchin

[strong forum]

na i will bitch

missing 20% DR

[open monolith]

i demand you quitcher bitchin

demand

[strong forum]

only tank in the game

that gets omega cucked without a mythic ilvl shield

[open monolith]

is it literally 20%

or are you memeing

[strong forum]

yes

a 226 shield will net you close to 55% DR, a 190 is 35%

[still pagoda]

30% or so in my case

[strong forum]

thats why prot warri "feels so weak" to most

because shield is beyond important

[open monolith]

maybe you'll get a 226 shield from vault 😮

[strong forum]

223

😦

dont have time to play the rest of the week

[open monolith]

still good

[still pagoda]

feels nice anyway

[strong forum]

if i dont get shield from vault

ill just grind 2s

[still pagoda]

it's gonna be a rip

imma grind 3s

[strong forum]

and buy myself a 226

and voila, pwar fixed

this looks slighty better

[open monolith]

you're a garbage human

because your stuff is better than me

and that makes me sad

[strong forum]

fucking green conduit

[still pagoda]

nome

you're either too lucky or grinded this whole week

[strong forum]

i played like 10 keys

total

[open monolith]

I WATCHED you play 10 keys

[still pagoda]

i've done 6 today

[open monolith]

you palyed more than 10

don't lie to me

[strong forum]

okay 14

[still pagoda]

and 2 yesterday

whatever, 14 is not 100

[strong forum]

those sub 10 keys dont count

[wheat sleet]

that is... very good to know. I should really upgrade my shield

[formal river]

Same. I have 164 pvp shield and nothing else under 184...

May just buy a fkin token and get the BOE

[tardy parcel]

Possibly dumb question for something that I think I'm misunderstanding on Council: initially, one of the tanks is tanking Stavros away from the raid, other tank is tanking Frieda and Niklaus, cool. When they need to tank swap, though... how do you manage swapping the aggro of the Stavros tank to both Frieda and Niklaus? Do you just let one of them run over to the original tank now tanking Stavros until your taunt is back up and you can drag them back over?

[wheat sleet]

190 ilvl goes for 55k-70k on my server. Honestly doesn't seem too bad lol

[formal river]

I've never been one to have gold on retail, never farmed it. Just got done with fkin classic KT which hurt my soul with the farming for, lol

Have like 30k atm

[wheat sleet]

I did a bit of skinning and herbing when the expansion launched which gave a lot of money (relative to the effort I put in). 55k would still be 1/4th of my networth lol

I think I'm gonna wait and see what I get in the vault first

[open monolith]

@tardy parcel Your 2 tanks should physically swap places while taunting each other's boss

Nikklaus and Stavros are the 2 that need to be tank swapped. Who has frieda is irrelevant, though you should ideally be focusing Frieda down first

[timber nest]

whats a better potency conduit? Show of Force or Piercing Verdict?

[open monolith]

piercing verdict

[grand mantle]

hi im playing prot warrior since the release of shadowlands ive mainly been fury for the past years.

ive got some realy problems as prot warrior and i dont know if its me bad playing or prot is as bad as ppl say.

the following problems are:
lack of taunts, when im in a groub and i taunt every mob than just 1 dps just has to pop his burst and everthing is gone of agro.
the dmg i get is just too high i get deleted by elite mobs in +4 dungs even when ive popped everything i have.
my rage generation is just slow.

im ilvl 187 ive got almost all BIS dungs gear pieces

[mellow patio]

If you are struggling in +4, it is likely the way you are playing that is the problem

Prot has all of the tools to survive well even into higher content.

[signal plover]

Also, Taunts are corrections to loss of agro and shouldn't be the primary means of establishing it

And we have an AoE taunt for those oh shit moments.

[grand mantle]

yeah but its 4 min cooldown

its too long

while pala gets his burst every 2 min

[fallow mortar]

regardless, are you using shield block?

[blissful imp]

what cov are you?

you shouldn't have an issue with aggro if you open with charge, thunderclap+shield block, spear/rav, demo shout, slam, thunderclap

then you just tab around to get slams on other stuff

[grand mantle]

yes im using every spell ive got
i play venthyr cuz i wanted to play them for condem

i know kyrian is best for prot. thats why i wil change it when i can. and when im done with venthyr

[blissful imp]

revenge if you absolutely need to

i play venthyr myself

if your DPS open with cooldowns on trash, then you may need to taunt a mob here and there that they pull off you

[grand mantle]

ye

[blissful imp]

and challenging shout when they just blast AE everything hard

[wicked lantern]

Everything Jim said and also remind your hunters and rogues to Misdirdct and Tricks you. They tend to forget they have that ability 😏

[blissful imp]

truuuueeee

[grand mantle]

what about the cicle of defensive when i know i get big melee hits i use shield block and when shieldblock is gone i use ignore pain untill i can use shieldblock again

[blissful imp]

and remember, taunt just gives you aggro+like 10%(i think?) over whoever had aggro

[mellow patio]

Fill shield block gaps with last stand

[blissful imp]

so you need to hit whatever you taunt with something to solidify aggro, if you hit then taunt then its a waste

[mellow patio]

Fill gaps in block with SW

[grand mantle]

i hate it when ppl dont use their toolkit like shaman and mages now adays no one uses their lust its so anoying

im using last stand and shield wall mainly for o shit moments

[wicked lantern]

Icy Veins is a good resource to use if your brand new to prot too

[blissful imp]

after doing a dungeon a few times you should know which trash packs are dangerous