I made revenge leggo cause I'm a chad but I've I didnt use defensivds I can rape dps.
#protection
quiet kettle
our prot/holy pally is actually considering just moving to resto sham for m+
formal river
Ooph
quiet kettle
and keeping his holy pally for raid
formal river
That's rough
quiet kettle
hes a veteran prot pally and he has no clue why hes so squishy on certain pulls
formal river
I'm all about class identity. Switching mains sucks
formal river
I'm squishy as hell kn certain pulls
If I dont save SW for them I die
Have to map out the CD
drifting sky
Is the strat to just find your favorite mythic dungeon and try to push that one?
My favorite is spires
tardy parcel
Is this just a result of nerfs throughout beta, though? I was under the impression that prot pally (and vengeance) were supposed to be the Big Boi Tanks(tm) going into SL
quiet kettle
i dislike spires personally
formal river
@tardy parcel they do the most DMG
Which is what people think about for m+
Not necessarily the best cause dmg is high
quiet kettle
monk is still the best defensive tank
glacial grove
is prot easier for torgast than arms?
formal river
I've watched a few monk players and it looks great
quiet kettle
oh god is it ever
formal river
@glacial grove prot is the easiest
quiet kettle
torghast is a joke as prot
drifting sky
@glacial grove yes I cleared all levels with prot this week
quiet kettle
absolute joke
glacial grove
oh nice
formal river
I always have perma shield wall, lol
quiet kettle
i didnt even need that combo this week
formal river
I got shouts one run
drifting sky
That one wing this week where the mobs gain health every level might be annoying tho
formal river
The plus damage
drifting sky
Doable but annoying
formal river
Its just long
quiet kettle
my innerstitia run gave me scratched knife as my starting power
formal river
Make sure to keep SB up
quiet kettle
i was ultra pog
drifting sky
Yeh the layout is just aids too
quiet kettle
L6 starting with knife power
formal river
Nice
drifting sky
Yeh if you get knife it’s gg
quiet kettle
then i got the charge/leap dmg on floor 4
drifting sky
Any spec
drifting sky
Thorghast is a huge time sink
quiet kettle
tbf to dps
powers for us are feast or famine
u either get really good dps powers
or u get nothing good whatsoever
drifting sky
True
quiet kettle
with the tanks/heal solo runs even if u get shit, the enemies are weak enough it doesnt matter much
drifting sky
Tbh I was originally arms
Couldn’t clear thorghast, switched to prot and ended up learning to tank
Now I’m just prot
still pagoda
P funny hearing dps specs complain about it tho
They complained about visions before
drifting sky
Kek
still pagoda
drifting sky
Don’t even have a 2hander in my bag
karmic quartz
Do you get the nice thin rubber ones or the huge q-tip?
that fucking q-tip has ruined q-tips for me forever
formal river
Thin rubber this time
They are getting better
I'm a personal trainer so I have to do them regularly
formal river
Healthcare adjacent. Still prime target, lol
karmic quartz
I spend most days in the homes of strangers so i get it
but i still fucking hate it
the tests, not the job lol
eager lake
which endurance conduit should you use for M+ content?
they all seem equally terrible
I guess reducing cooldown on wall should be decent if you use anger management
still pagoda
I would rather not kill my senior clients.
And yourself in the process
still pagoda
You know, never a good idea to be careless about pneumonia
waxen cradle
whats your guys opinion on Ravager vs UF when running a BV/Bolster build ?
formal river
I love ravager/bolster
Rav moving now makes it a nice brainer in M+ imo
No brainer*
waxen cradle
That being said does it still have good synergy in terms of how it plays into the Thunderlord legendarys cd reduction for DShout ?
formal river
For sure, you can still get BV
still pagoda
Not really. You can't fully utilize UF now
BV with thunderlord is great on its own anyway
steel mauve
I had pneumonia a couple years ago, that was the worst 2 weeks of my life, and ive had 12 teeth pulled at one time
waxen cradle
Yeah UF has started to feel very lackluster as of late for me rather, and as I love how strong bolster feels I can't justify going AM to fully utilize the old BFA build. Long story short UF feels like crap without AM, and bolster is too in my opinion and feels too good
honest plinth
i hate DoS
formal river
I tried forever to justify AM because I love damage but I had to give in
Bolster is too good.
still pagoda
AM is good for lower keys anyway
umbral kernel
hey sorry if I might ask a total noob question but how do you feel about signet + ravager + AM as prot ?
umbral kernel
ok thanks a lot for your answer
empty nexus
wut stat prio is it haste/vers/mastery/crit ?
sweet summit
ilvl>>>haste>vers>=crit>mastery
empty nexus
im guessing haste for more devastator procs and vers for dmg
sweet summit
haste for lower SB/SS/TC cooldown and more rage generation overall
sweet summit
vers for a good all around damage reduction and decent damage
empty nexus
damn im also between night fae and kyrian T_T
sweet summit
both are great tbh
empty nexus
ikr lol trying to get one that is good for arms pvp and pvp and prot pve
formal river
If that's ur gameplay I'd say kyrian
Spear - bladestorm is organsmic
And the pot it invaluable
sick sentinel
goddamnit dudes, i feel so paper thin in these higher keys
i do a shit ton of damage but get chunked
is it time to bite the bullet and roll a DH
lavish oracle
The CC on spear seems great for PvP but I'm not a big brain pvper
formal river
If you ever get a stack it's a 1 shot
lavish oracle
DH has to do a lot of kiting too, tbh
formal river
@sick sentinel I'm running the shockwave conduit and rumbling earth
It helps a bunch with interrupts
Cause magic is what shreds you
lavish oracle
Dratnos has a DH 15 Halls video that he narrated on his youtube, his whole pull strategy is very kite centric
formal river
Going to watch that now. Halls is a bitch
sick sentinel
I mean I do a shit ton of fucking damage, like 6-8k with coolies, but I feel paper thin
mild river
I hate this. I choose to be a tank to tank stuff. I HATE to kite. Really
sick sentinel
I really enjoy prot warrior, but I do wish we had more interesting leggos
formal river
The average player is stepping into m0 mayne right now
sick sentinel
Our leggos might be good on paper, but they're boring as fuck
sick sentinel
After TC right?
formal river
I made it first because I'm an ape
sick sentinel
I just got Wall memory tonight from the raid so I'll probably make that next
formal river
Thunderlords is our m+ leggo
Yah make the wall
I still need to get nathria clear in
cinder pasture
Finally managed to get Thunderlords 👍
pure sun
Heyo potentially dumb question and I'm assuming the IL but I got 2 trinkets I'm tryin to choose, the other trinkte slot is already perfectly filled so just tryin to figure out the other. I got a 171 inscrutable device and a 197 overwhelming power crystal. Is the massive heal/stat buff loss worth the pretty medicore use crystal?
honest plinth
Revenge leggo feels amazing.
i have no rage for revenge 😄
formal river
I pick my spots. When I pop rav/demo/avatar I go absolute ham
You can also pop last stand with bolster then go weedwacking.
sick sentinel
I think with higher gear more and more people will start going anger management but I think i'll be forever scared to not have bolster
honest plinth
fucking casters ruin my fun
honest plinth
I think with higher gear more and more people will start going anger management ...
nope with more gear you will do harder content and you need bolster for it
obtuse charm
Is it known if the interaction with prot ravager and signet where it doesn't proc another cooldown is intended or a bug?
haughty meteor
Huntsman HC, hits like a fucking truck. Any tips on how to not die? (Not blame healers :D)
empty nexus
what talents for m+ ?
gusty sable
So are there any more Main arms Player that tank in m+ and are sad that the signet lego doesnt work with prot ravager ... :( ?
sick sentinel
wait it doesnt
gusty sable
No
Neither does rav trigger smthng nor will u get a rav from avatar... u get reck or bs
empty nexus
for m+ change anger managment to bolstering and anything else or wut
sick sentinel
ravager is 30 seconds baseline it would have been insane
sick sentinel
still pretty good
gusty sable
Well same for arms
Why would i wanna stand there and lock myself into bs beeing unable to spend rage or use smthng except from ignore Pain. Bs is just bad as prot
obtuse charm
You can shield block during it iirc
gusty sable
Y
obtuse charm
and spell reflect
gusty sable
And reflect
sick sentinel
As arms you can ignore pain too
gusty sable
Still much less usefull than ravager
sick sentinel
I almost always Ignore Pain when playing Arms to not overcap on rage
its practically free HP
gusty sable
I wld expext it to trigger rav if i talent it
gusty sable
It would be if this is intentional
soft vector
signet lego has been tested not to work with prot ravager? thats insane. must be a bug
gusty sable
Yes sir
inland silo
It’s something about arms ravager replacing bladestorm so it is bladestorm.
While prot obviously doesn’t have bladestorm so ravager is it’s own thing
gusty sable
Yes true
sick sentinel
why you even running signet on prot anways
gusty sable
Cause i am Main arms for raiding
And just dont wanna delay my r4 for mythic
But still doing m+
As tank for my.grp
So i thought a classwhide lego shld be "decent" in all specs. At least not be so bad and ignorier mechanics another spec has going for it
What wld be a good way to Report it ?
ionic fern
It's a known issue.
Or well, no one is actually sure if it's a "issue" or not since no one knows if it's supposed to work.
Prot Ravager used to proc signet on beta but then they changed it. 🤷
gusty sable
Is it known for blizz tho, i mean die they int change it with a Patch or did it just stoped working?
ebon jasper
woo finally a blood-spattered scale above ilvl 158
gusty sable
If so might be a case where if its logical from a mechanical standpoint than we shld just let them know how it is now and what ppl wld expect it to be seeing how it works in other specs
sick sentinel
Any got the slime trinket? the heal feels so weak lol
gusty sable
I dont like it. U have to wait for the slime.. denathrius trinket is even better, also i dont enjoy it with the heal effect for remaining shield.. Think that the hakar one is most usefull for deff
ebon jasper
persnally prefer the blood-spattered scale @sick sentinel , that shield is damn nice
(I.E the hakar trinket)
gusty sable
ebon jasper
sick sentinel
Yeb blood one is amazing, I have a lower ilvl (forget the name) that gives you a "holy" shield that bursts too
ebon jasper
Man I love this trinket. a lot.
sick sentinel
are you guys doing well in higher keys, like 8 9 10s?
gusty sable
Im doing ~10 but 11 are heavy. Only tried spire so far, but u got to kite alot
Didnt time
sick sentinel
yeah but when I have no other class to help me kite im getting railed
gusty sable
Druids, Balance more than others, but still druids are your best friend
Treants cyclone and taifun so good if u can use them on call
lavish oracle
Even if they're just using them on CD trees slap
Tank's best friends
Weird auto correct but okay 😄
lavish oracle
I've been wondering if maybe you pull both sides of the platform with the first boss on it to skip more trash on the side platforms
open monolith
Yes you can do that
lavish oracle
Might make prideful weird though
open monolith
I watched Lightee do it not too long ago
pulled both sides of 1st floor, and skipped most of the trash before 3rd boss as a result
gusty sable
If u have rogue
lavish oracle
Oh, sick my brain is huge 🧠
open monolith
you can skip most of that trash by clever jumping on the sides
which I'm sure will be patched with an invisible wall, because blizzard has made it clear they don't like trash skips this expansion, lol
gusty sable
But this skipes only the three mops After the single big one, right?
open monolith
skips helion at bottom of stairs, trash pack at bottom of stairs, trash pack at top of stairs, and 2 large packs on either side of the arena
so, no
open monolith
the trash pack at the top of the stairs is ALSO skipped with clever jumping up the walls
lavish oracle
But when and how to use skips is like the only interesting part of routing this xpac
hazy osprey
what're some opinions on lv30 and 45 talents (booming vs dragon, unstoppable vs ravager respectively)
fathom sluice
Hello fellow heroes!
Can someone explain, how Brutal Vitality is stronger than Stalwart Guardian? 🙂
lavish oracle
Eh, you can still use shroud/pots for a fair number of skips
hazy osprey
i'm seeing a lot of strong praise for the passives but getting rid of buttons always feels lame to me
open monolith
well, most of the "fair amount of skips" will result in you having under 100%
so, even then... not really :\
lavish oracle
Right. That's what makes the routing around them interesting
open monolith
ilke, you literally HAVE to pull extra trash in DoS to make 100%
lavish oracle
Yeah, DOS sucks
open monolith
I need to spam the F out of DOS
need a higher ilvl hakkar trinket and a higher ilvl ring
fringe needle
[Unstoppable Force] vs [Ravager] when using the DemoShout reduction legendary? I love ravagar but obv the synergy seems strong :/
open monolith
It really comes down to preference, but ravager tends to perform higher in sims even in considering of the synergy with TL
ravager is a bit easier to use, imo, as UF creates a clunkier rotation while in avatar.
fringe needle
i love you and the news u just rbought me
fringe needle
i mean i am using AM xD
open monolith
which isn't to say that ravager DOESNT pair nicely with AM
if you're able to do higher keys with AM with no problems, more power to ya!
I don't have a dedicated group so I tend to use Bolster for the safety
fringe needle
im not so convinced of bolster anymore somehow, since the cd is 2min and not 1min, but then again i also do have periods of 0 CD's in m+ when cycling
lavish oracle
AM is cool for damage but you'll drop in content where you need block uptime
open monolith
Take for example Lightee, who i've been watching for a few hours now. He is running UF / AM while spamming +14 keys
but he's also a world first contender with a super organized and high skill group
lavish oracle
Yeah, I don't even think we're doing content yet that requires the extra survivability
hazy osprey
i pretty much exclusively run with a group of friends and I just run AM without issues yet but i haven't gone that high
maybe later on i'll need bolster but just kinda stretching offensive choices as far as i can lmao
open monolith
I mean, whether or not you need the survivability has a LOT to do with your group.
lavish oracle
Early xpac is always weird because talent optimization only goes so far, there's so much we're lacking in knowledge and gear at this point. So much other stuff to improve
open monolith
AM works fine when your group is coordinated, nailing interrupts, and playing well
hazy osprey
i've been running dragon roar, ravager, AM and having a lot of fun but i think i'm gonna try UF for a while see how that feels
lavish oracle
I'm fully convinced that you could clear a 14 with almost any talent combo at the moment if you knew what you were doing
sick sentinel
how does shaded weight/sharp stone stack if it does with oils and enchants
hazy osprey
i do really like ravager but making avatar more important sounds fun too
sick sentinel
ah
sick sentinel
nitro still best belt enchant?
sturdy sable
I still don't understand why we can't both oil our weapons and sharpen them like 16 ap isn't gonna make me a god or anything
hazy osprey
who me
hazy osprey
damn we have 
but not :dragonroar:
sick sentinel
how about bring back shield spikes and weapon chains
sturdy sable
Sometimes I feel like maybe I should take dragon roar and then I remeber what its like to use it
open monolith
do you know why we don't have :dragonroar:?
it's because it's crap
I mean it has its use, but, it got nerfed
sturdy sable
Id be down for spikes again lol we block alot more now then we did when they were in the game
open monolith
and if you're using thunderlord you definitely shouldn't be using it
hazy osprey
idk i like pressing more buttons but maybe instead of DR/UF i'll take BV/Ravager
open monolith
which legendary ar eyou using
hazy osprey
not using thunderlord, prot's my OS so i'm waiting for the wall
doing the raid tomorrow
open monolith
Gotcha
sturdy sable
The wall is nice to have
open monolith
Dragonroar is good when you A) aren't using Thunderlord and B) don't have a rogue or hunter to misdirect for you
the snap threat is very useful
but that's about it
they killed it when they added "less damage to secondary targets" to it
sturdy sable
Dont need snap threat if your 3s ahead of your dps when you pull
open monolith
maximum kek.
hazy osprey
yeah not a huge fan of how they target capped basically ever AOE ability but i understand why
cleave was kinda out of hand by the end of bfa
sturdy sable
Cleaves always been out of hand
People have been mass pulling and aoeing things since vanilla
open monolith
meanwhile, Starfall
hazy osprey
alright i think that's the strat then i'll try booming voice+ravager for now
sturdy sable
Doing it now is literally them saying they didn't know how to handle us yoloing and mass pulling keys
sleek sun
This has probably been answered 100 times already but its not pinned, what item slot should I put The Wall in?
sturdy sable
Shoulders
sleek sun
Thank you chums
sturdy sable
Any time pal
hazy osprey
i just don't want to sacrifice every button, already taking devastator because pressing devastate feels boring so switching 30 and 45 both to passives sounds really lame
sturdy sable
So
open monolith
PASSIVE TALENTS ARE BAE
sturdy sable
Mittens?
sleek sun
Any sneaky Nathria tanking tips? going from Artificer onwards tonight
open monolith
one of the reasons I liked frost mage so much in prepatch is because ALL THE PASSIVE TALENTS WERE BIS
sturdy sable
Dont let un mitigated hits go through that often
open monolith
Determined you can solo tank Inerva Darkvein
sleek sun
Spell reflect right?
sturdy sable
Yeah you gotta time the reflect
sleek sun
Thanks Mr. Crusty Sock
sleek sun
Did up to artificer last night
tanking for my buddies guild, they wiped on Huntsman for like 2 hours cause one of their tanks was trash, get the Prot Warrior and we down on first pull lol
open monolith
If your raid leader says to put the portals on opposite ends of the room, tell them they are a big ol' silly goose, and to instead drop one in the middle and one on the wall
it makes it much easier to do the final phase properly if you just always drop 1 portal in the middle of the room
rather than 200iq timing the phase 3 portal and making people change the drop spot at the last second
sleek sun
Word, thanks dude! I'm technically a "pug" with them but I will reccommend it
open monolith
that's how my pug cleared it, anyway
sleek sun
One last general question, if I make R1 the Wall tonight, will I have enough Ash to do R2 next week? I capped last week and this week
undone jacinth
yeh
hazy osprey
i just like buttons
i also love ravager
reminds me of the original incarnation and just throwing down a cool spinny axe
undone jacinth
yeah I switched when I was levelling
and never looked back
just feels way better
restive flax
I dont think I could switch off of Ravager
hazy osprey
i'll probably try out bolster eventually
AM lets me avatar more which lets me laugh when i out-dps the demon hunter
sleek sun
I use ITF for raiding though, feels good
restive flax
Okay yeah you dont need that much on demand aoe aggro as in m+
sleek sun
free 10% haste is no joke
hazy osprey
restive flax
^what he said
smoky sparrow
are there any spells that u can just bind together on a macro
sleek sun
Anything off the GCD I guess
But I don't think their is anything super useful for warriors in that department, happy to be wrong
sleek sun
Also, macroing Spear to just cast @heavy mirage has been so nice
restive flax
imagine having spear
restive flax
cries in Necrolord
sleek sun
Granted, if you're trying to grab mobs not directly under you, it's not so great lol
But we are BEEFY BOYS. All MOBs grovel at our feet
hazy osprey
as prot is my OS i unfortunately have to live with condemn for now lole
restive flax
throws banner at closest enemy 
hazy osprey
but it's ok i guess, boss damage is fine.. i guess
hazy osprey
i fucking love condemn,,,, as fury
as prot it's kinda clunky since it costs rage instead of generates it lmao
sleek sun
yup
I've found myself not executing at all in Nath
Unless its like last 5% of a boss and other tank has em
restive flax
some bosses are super weird in terms of rage generation too.
"hey guys I'm gonna cast for ages now"
sleek sun
Also if healers could realize I need to be topped off before I drop Artificer bomb that would be great
Last night they were like, "Why did you die?"
I had nothing to say
hazy osprey
is it possible to put demo and ravager in a macro together
so i can one button pop demo and start targeting ravager
hazy osprey
true
restive flax
both are on gcd tho... arent they?
potent palm
Anyone got a WA that shows when a spell that can be reflected is cast at you?
hazy osprey
damn just found some fancy macro commands that i can use
./castsequence reset=combat/10 Demoralizing Shout, Ravager
this lets me press the button twice to use demo then rav, and the order resets if i leave combat or it's been 10 seconds since last button press
that's pretty nice
gusty sable
Can u make it work with [@cursor]
gusty sable
O rather press 2 buttons instead of klickin it again..^^
gusty sable
Idk, had some wierd issies with more [] in one line
Ok
Wld be eben nicer if rav wld work with signet.. but i dont wanna meme abt it at this point
cobalt marsh
so i've been casually tanking low keys to help some friends gear and stuff but I feel like I'm taking a SHITLOAD of damage, any idea what would be causing that?
hazy osprey
you spamming block and ip as much as possible?
cobalt marsh
yeah
hazy osprey
demo shout?
hazy osprey
could be gear then, or talent choices
cobalt marsh
might be that my shield is 171 ilvl?
i'm like 188 on prot, but wep/shield is 171
im a dps main, just tanking sometimes to help out but I feel so squishy
gusty sable
How is the interrupt count looking After the dng
torn gulch
hazy osprey
i did a random group finder pug for DOS 0 to try for bracers and trinket and man, the dps was really letting me down
hakkar (dh died) https://i.imgur.com/nODQ69D.png
dealer (dh did not die, paladin did) https://i.imgur.com/3vngkr2.png
i got bracers out of it so like, fine, but whew
it's a run like this which makes me appreciate my privilege of having competent friends to run with usually
muted rapids
@cobalt marsh are you turning your back to the mobs?
torpid granite
how do i get the soul ash quest?
cobalt marsh
@muted rapids nop, facing them
muted rapids
Are your teammates interrupting?
cobalt marsh
KEKW maybe not so often
misty tartan
@cobalt marsh I'm currently 181 ilvl, doing +8, +9 successfully.
My tips are to do three blocks then kite a bit with intervene and leap.
Reflect a lot, also has -mdmg component.
Don't block when enemy is about to cast spell or jump away.
Coordinate team cc, esp interrupt.
Use demo, sjieldwall, last stand often
muted rapids
It has been a hit and miss with pugs for me but you can really feel the difference between a group that kicks and a group that doesn't
cobalt marsh
@misty tartan ty for the insight, will try it out
misty tartan
And kyrian vial is quite key in many dungeons for me to dispel myself but idk if you have that as dps main
I think not casting revenge a lot will also help. No need to spend rage as soon as you get it
jaunty vector
any news on a prot buff?
sand kestrel
@jaunty vector nothing announced with tuning announcement. Hopefully there is some buffs next round. Although I have been having a ton of fun with prot warrior so far
sick sentinel
all tanks get 10% threat
keen flume
Hey guys i have a question as a prot
Whats the best way to do pack in SoA before 2nd boss on +8-10
analog burrow
Hey how are you guys dodging Overhead Slash from Kin-Tara in Spires of Ascension
frosty scarab
Did some 4s-8s today. Felt pretty decent. Just amazed how the trash i thought would be hard isnt and easy trash now becomes hard. Bosses so far didnt make a dent at all. But next week is tyrannical so we will see then
keen flume
Using ignore pain bkorn
Save it
Literally dont waste rGe
Rage until he xast it
Also use 40% reduced dmg thingy incase you dont have ip
Never wiped on him but damn pack before 2nd boss are tough as hell
misty tartan
Whats the best way to do pack in SoA before 2nd boss on +8-10
Best way imo is demo + block and then throw the kyrian spear when it expires
jolly thistle
Hey how are you guys dodging Overhead Slash from Kin-Tara in Spires of Ascensio...
be prepared and stand close to the boss, then side step. if you're at max melee range you'll have no chance - be as close as possible
steady spruce
Is retail tanking basically kiting everythingN?
astral crystal
lol
limpid pawn
how big is the difference between unbridled fury vs phantom fire
orchid depot
Is retail tanking basically kiting everythingN?
On my warrior doing 7-10s m+ keys
I do that constantly, when pulling 2 packs
steady spruce
damn coming from classic i'm surprise how big kiting is in retail
i got a shitload to learn to properly lead M+
i use mythic trap & tanknotes but it's not enough ^^
empty nexus
what night fae ofer us from soulbinds vs kyrian what is more survi
civic rover
okay friends, it's been a long run, but i'm switching to kyrian
i want to be stubborn and stay necrolord but it's actually so inferior LMFAO
empty nexus
im NF but thinking to swap to kyrian too
civic rover
its a shame because the necrolord theme is nice af but jesus christ
i just hate how banner feels
empty nexus
hate choosing covenant cuz i wanna play arms and prot wuts the best prob kyrian right?
dense pivot
yeah or NF
orchid depot
What content do you wanna do?
dense pivot
prob kyrian if you don't feel experimenting
empty nexus
im NF thinking swapping to kyrian
west kayak
Just got the Memory for Shield Wall. I really wish I waited on upgrading/making Thunderlord. 😛
empty nexus
just dont wanna do wrong decision and then doing 2 weeks of quest to go back NF lol
dense pivot
is there something you don't like about NF?
surreal nest
Do any of yall have a weakaura to track when a friendly defensive is used on you like ironbark or blessing of sacrifice?
empty nexus
Atm i dont see anything that i dislike in NF but kyrian looks juicy too with the potion and spear for pvp/pve
hollow bolt
gunna try the condo that makes my last stand make me generate rage like a motherfucker
wish me luck!
empty nexus
Bolstering or anger management for m+
chilly brook
Everything just feels so overtuned tbh
modern brook
hard disagree
at least wrt to dungeons
havent tanked lraid yet
but dungeons feel like a call back to legion
much higher requirement of personal responsibilities
although i do think there are too many casters that start casting kick focuses again too soon
chilly brook
Doesnt feel like Legion at all
This feels more like early cata
And ye way too many casts
Which is a BFA type design
empty nexus
Wut talents for m+ kinda hard find info about prot lol
modern brook
robust kite
Do Druid healers just not synergize with us well for M+? I feel like every druid healer I've teamed up with have struggled when I take a big chunk of damage
waxen cradle
Just +2'ed a 7 Halls of Atonement and had a healer tell me I proved them wrong about Prot Warriors. Felt good even though technically its a low key still felt good to hear it
sturdy sable
Every healer I've run with that isn't my own has mentioned something to that affect
tepid mason
ive gone thru the faq, tried to follow the rotations and heavy burst, but in m+ i run into the same old problem with threat. if i blow all my cd's and rage on getting more threat, i die (obviously). if i dont, i can lose threat pretty quickly and put my taunt on cd, HL to reset, and lose second taunt and still be losing threat. im beginning to wonder if that part of the faq is outdated? or maybe im trash?
sturdy sable
I think alot of people fotm rolled to prot pall and now everyone's dealing with squishy new pallies
waxen cradle
yeah no doubt
lavish oracle
Honestly, lightee's been running keys as prot all night, doin' fine.
lavish oracle
Now he also said if you're pushing keys, go DH, there's no reason to play warrior over DH in keys atm
They def are
But also, if we were fotm players we wouldn't be here
sturdy sable
Yea I was calling out the pallies lol
sonic tangle
Running keys with a holy pally makes me feelsbadman
robust kite
Running keys with a holy priest tho 🙂
sonic tangle
Vtru
sturdy sable
Running keys with what you think is a holy priest but it turns out he switched to disc last minute to "try it out"
modern brook
ive gone thru the faq, tried to follow the rotations and heavy burst, but in m+ ...
your rotation isnt a light switch
sturdy sable
Dont pug keys folks no matter how quick you think its gonna be
modern brook
if you ever find yourself going "ok now all my rage will go to defensives" and "now all my rage will go to revenge" you're playin g wrong
the core rotation is built around rage gen; to be able tofeed into both of these
sturdy sable
Yeah you have to be dynamic with it
The only time I funnel into dps is sub 20% lol
The ole pop last stand and spam execute maneuver
tepid mason
your rotation isnt a light switch
youre not realyl understanding. im saying that im in a situation where i have to literally dump all rage into offense in order to even compete for aggro, still losing it sometimes
yes it's supposed to be dynamic
thats the power fantasy
reality of it is, i dump all the rage on offense and still cant maintain that threat
steep wraith
are you kyrian?
tepid mason
what im trying to figure out is if there's a way to get even more threat on every pull or if i just need to have ppl wait before dumping all their dmg
yea i wetn kyrian
the spear is pretty huge for aggro
chilly brook
They def are
What makes you think Limit definitely will use a prot warrior
steep wraith
I'm doing fine with ravager + kyrian
tepid mason
if i had those up for every fight id prob be good yea
undone jacinth
ravager spear thunderclap is enough for aggro
steep wraith
you should have them up for every fight
undone jacinth
and threat is being buffed on reset
steep wraith
ravager should be enough to keep aggro with
undone jacinth
that’s enough
tepid mason
god i wish this were true
undone jacinth
I’m not kyrian and I hold aggro better than my bear
tepid mason
legit you have no idea how much i want it to be the case
steep wraith
just make sure you throw it as your first thing while charging in, thunderclap and shield block, then revenge
undone jacinth
it is the case
tepid mason
that ravager alone could keep the aggro
sudden tapir
I find tc + a single revenge is good enough.. maybe challenging shot when there is an emergency pull, are you significantly geared less than your team mates?
steep wraith
you really cannot lose aggro with a ravager, tc, revenge
chilly brook
Depends on the group you're in
undone jacinth
ravager on pull plus ur rotation obviously
steep wraith
who is going to rip aggro off that?
tepid mason
im around 188 on gear, m8 dungeon
steep wraith
the hunter with MD?
sudden tapir
The 10% buff coming is nice, but you shouldn’t have any issues
chilly brook
It's definitely possible to lose depending on who you're running with
tepid mason
idk there was a vengeance pally, arms warrior, and a sub rogue
undone jacinth
definitely fault on him
sudden tapir
Haha yea definitely call it out
steep wraith
between normal threat abilitys, taunt, challenging shout. I haven't had any threat issues
sudden tapir
😅
undone jacinth
u have two taunts and massive aoe, Prot is one of the best for aggro atm
chilly brook
It's highly group dependent but UH can pull off for example
I'm not saying it's a struggle
But with tuning being the way it is you can lose aggro
neat root
Don't you wanna go UF over Rav if you have TL, or does if not make that big of a difference?
chilly brook
No
undone jacinth
ofc they can pull off u, threat is total garbage in SL but Prot can manage
chilly brook
Never go UF
modern brook
youre not realyl understanding. im saying that im in a situation where i have to...
you're severely undergeared then
chilly brook
I didnt say prot couldn't manage
sudden tapir
You can lose aggro, sure— but mid fight, just a simple taunt will get it back
chilly brook
That was never the point I made
undone jacinth
the other guy did
chilly brook
undone jacinth
u also have intervene
tepid mason
188 undergeared?
chilly brook
You got a lot of dummy's saying stuff like this
stark spear
is venthyr prot that big of a challenge?
tepid mason
intervene is interesting, i could jsut blow it off cd to force the hits onto me
might help
undone jacinth
I’m venthyr, it’s fine
chilly brook
is venthyr prot that big of a challenge?
It's really not good comparatively
It's fine in raids
Definitely not the play for m+
sudden tapir
Haha I’m vent as a reforming fury warrior, I love HoA and SD 😉
neat root
I feel like a big issue with threat is more so the mob design, lots of uninterruptable casts, mobs that spready out etc. You spend so much time trying to gather them up its hard to hold aggro.
undone jacinth
it’s still fine in dung, just don’t use condemn on packs!
sudden tapir
Oh god yea, spires is a huge culprit for adds spreading out
chilly brook
Compared to having spear or stomp its pretty trash for dungeons
neat root
Yeah spires is brutal for it.
undone jacinth
it’s worse but doesn’t really change how far u can go
chilly brook
Hence the comparatively statement
You can do all content without covenants
But why would you
undone jacinth
some nice soul binds and for dps specs
sudden tapir
Yea m+ cleave, but as a prot.. it’s not particularly useful haha
undone jacinth
like I said, it’s fine
And I play all specs so have to lose something
still use condemn at end of packs and on bosses
stark spear
which lego do you run as venthyr?
chilly brook
neat root
first one I made, no regrets.
stark spear
any leapers
neat root
its a meme, but its a hilariously fun meme
go fury, cap flags in BG's before horde get with in 100m of them.
sudden tapir
Gotta have fun with your warr 😄
neat root
Hell yeah its a great legendary.
neat root
Plus spear is a lot of fun in other content.
lavish oracle
@chilly brook sorry, was away, it's one of only a few tanks Lightee is running through all 10 14s this week
I think he said one of two
chilly brook
I would love that
neat root
Eye of the storm, you go fury. Got your leaper boots on and spear in hand. 5...4...3...2...1 bubble disappears and you leap off the purple rock and jump in your glider. fly down to mid, start leaping, 1 leap 2 leap 3 leap 4 leap by now your on the enemy side the map, throw your spear down at the bunched up enemy trying to go mid, turn left, 5 leap 6 leap and your standing in at BE tower within 15 seconds of game start.
Then you swing your 2 massive 2 hand swords, do 25 damage and die.
empty nexus
is unstopable force and anger management more dmg or ravager can pull similar dmg
chilly brook
@lavish oracle did he say what the other one was?
Also I'm not surprised
They have a low EHRPS requirement in Nathria
undone jacinth
which lego do you run as venthyr?
uh, dunno why ur cov would change ur Lego... running thunderlord
stark spear
i was thinking signet for ravager to be a substitute for spear for aggro gen
undone jacinth
Ehrps is a meme
They’ll take it for battle shout and rally
Because dps warrs are currently complete toilet
chilly brook
Ehrps is a meme
It's really not
undone jacinth
ya it is
chilly brook
Especially considering the whole reason everyone likes to ride DKs dicks are that they "don't require healing" and yet require more ehrps than other tanks
undone jacinth
u take tanks to fill gaps or to cheese mechanics
that is all
monks always require a ton of healing and yet look at them
chilly brook
No, in prog you take tanks that are consistent and remove possible issues
undone jacinth
xd
chilly brook
Yes monks take more healing, because they take all the damage they dont mitigate it
It's just insanely consistent
undone jacinth
i was thinking signet for ravager to be a substitute for spear for aggro gen
More demos =. More dmg = more aggro
Thunderlord is the boy
Yeah exactly, so ehrps is irrelevant
quiet kettle
so not sure if its been shared here yet, but prot now has a new "melee brain" clip https://twitter.com/Lazelsama/status/1337560746469830657
undone jacinth
if DK dps is good u don’t need a DK tank
If warrior dps is bad u do need a warrior tank
That’s wf raiding
chilly brook
High ehrps is not a good thing in prog
The only reason it's ok on brewmaster is because of how they're designed
undone jacinth
it doesn’t matter if it’s good or bad
chilly brook
It does....
undone jacinth
if u can cheese a mechanic on the last boss, you take it, if you can’t and your raid needs something, you take that instead
chilly brook
Fetid cough cough
undone jacinth
If you don’t need literally anything from ur tank, u take the one that sustains itself
bottom of the list
undone jacinth
DK does
chilly brook
No it doesnt lmao
quiet kettle
it really doesnt
chilly brook
You need to look at logs chief
quiet kettle
DH has more effective self-healing than dk does rn imo
undone jacinth
ye I’m sure u know better
quiet kettle
dk discord 🤣
undone jacinth
Exactly and I already explained that above
chilly brook
undone jacinth
That’s the entire point
chilly brook
unholy would disagree
I'm speaking strictly in terms of tanks
undone jacinth
Well done for not getting it and still thinking u have the high ground
chilly brook
Tank utility is kinda a meme
undone jacinth
Omega brain power
chilly brook
Omega brain power
You're talking like you're so big brain but you have a bunch of bad takes that are disproved by the evidence
undone jacinth
and yet will be proved by wf race once again as it always is
When the tank brings the raid utility or cheese
chilly brook
There are very few fights in WF that ever require specific tank utility
undone jacinth
it could well be for my exact reason
and if they are the two tanks
It will have fuck all to do with ehrps
chilly brook
Grip fights are the only times
quiet kettle
the only grip fight is maybe sun king
chilly brook
You use monk as your reasoning for disproving ehrps mattering while not even understanding why monk is the exception
quiet kettle
not in raid atleast
undone jacinth
Lmfao
chilly brook
What fight requires it lmao
neat root
I think this might be the first tier we see a WF tank with leaper.
chilly brook
So not specific tank things cool
quiet kettle
more effective to bring a monk over prot warr for raid
chilly brook
quiet kettle
and just bring arms
undone jacinth
they are things tank brings when their dps specs suck
Like has happened every tier
undone jacinth
If there’s mw in wf race then u won’t need a brew
chilly brook
No way
chilly brook
That's news to me
lavish oracle
@chilly brook he said but I don't remember what it was, he's doing some stuff on his brew tomorrow but not all 10 keys
undone jacinth
Right so ur so smart but u still can’t figure this out
chilly brook
You mean the most consistent tank and hard to mess up is going to be in the WF race?
chilly brook
holy shit is it happening again
Hey did you know the healing you require as a tank doesnt matter at all in prog?
undone jacinth
unless there is no need for other tank utility
quiet kettle
healer specs imo for wf will be, 1 holy priest, 1 holy pally, 1 resto druid, and 1 resto sham
undone jacinth
Like a warr or DH because their dps specs suck
undone jacinth
if u have a havoc u won’t have a veng
lavish oracle
Yeah, could be bringing warr for BS, that's a possibility
quiet kettle
that it is
undone jacinth
that is my point
warr dps specs are currently complete ass
So Prot goes way up if it can be used
neat root
But leaper
cold belfry
Prot warriors needs to be buffed
ocean yoke
eh if they do its not by much
undone jacinth
xd
neat root
What if WF they can cheese a mechanic with big heroic leaps.
undone jacinth
they need to have better ehrps so they can make it in to raid xd xd
neat root
Ur gonna wish you had a leaper.
safe pier
Don’t flame me. What’s ehrps?
undone jacinth
effective heal required per second
chilly brook
External healing required per second
undone jacinth
The dumbest metric in WoW
safe pier
Thank you
undone jacinth
guess what classes receive the most healing
The ones who have their hp go down, regardless of if they would have healed themselves or not
One simple bit of logic makes the entire stat a joke
but u still can’t understand
chilly brook
That's not how that works
undone jacinth
And when the raid leader and ex tank of the best guild in the world tells u otherwise
U still carry on
In ur monkey bubble
chilly brook
If death strike was truly so powerful there wouldn't be major amounts more healing than tanks who rely specifically on external heals
Its
Not
undone jacinth
if u hold ur death strike like any good DK does
chilly brook
Legion
undone jacinth
Jesus
undone jacinth
I wonder why ur so focused on DK
chilly brook
Feel free
chilly brook
Wat
round raptor
so i'm having some threat issues at almost every pull when i try Mythic+ with some BigDicks. i feel like i never have enough rage to properly do damage into packs of 3~~4 and hold the aggro.
ocean yoke
holy fuck who cares yall
round raptor
Should i just try dragon roar?
chilly brook
Should i just try dragon roar?
No because it's worse threat and damage on aoe
undone jacinth
Like I said, simple bit of logic makes the entire stat redundant
But I don’t expect u to get it
So we can just say
When wf is over and max summarises why they picked their tanks
I’ll send u a link to it
And u can tell him why he was wrong
ocean yoke
again, holy fucking shit who cares
undone jacinth
yeah it’s cool not to talk about anything
ocean yoke
go pissing match in pms
undone jacinth
Who careezz xd
round raptor
No because it's worse threat and damage on aoe
damn, then what should i open with? i've been shiel slam/thunder clap. but with a pack of 3~~4 theres always 1 or 2 that melees my dps.
chilly brook
When wf is over and max summarises why they picked their tanks
Sco also said prot took too much damage in BFA and said it was hard mode please give me some more appeal to authority fallacy
round raptor
then i start tabbing into despair to taunt
neat root
Hope you got spear bud
undone jacinth
damn, then what should i open with? i've been shiel slam/thunder clap. but with ...
Ravager
round raptor
ic, will test it out, tks
safe pier
I’m having good success holding threat with ravager opening. Extra rage gen also helps.
neat root
Or go leaper, and hit em with 3 quick heroic leaps. They won't know what to do but attack you.
chilly brook
In fact a lot of "high end players" have had bad takes in the past
undone jacinth
Sco also said prot took too much damage in BFA and said it was hard mode please ...
that isn’t even an argument and doesn’t make any sense, like I said we end this by seeing what happens, peace
neat root
(I'm kidding don't go leaper as prot)
chilly brook
You're literally using what someone in "authority" is saying as a reason for why it's the case. It's a literal logical fallacy look it up
round raptor
(I'm kidding don't go leaper as prot)
too late, just crafted and it's all thanks to you.
undone jacinth
That’s in pvp tho right
round raptor
right? i won't have a problem if i can leap away from them
neat root
Yeah pvp talent for fury, gives you 6 jumps
fiery remnant
whats a good ilvl to start mythic 0s?
undone jacinth
u could legit use leaper for taunts in dungeon
ocean yoke
coordinated group you can start in 150s pretty safely
neat root
Yeah you just might wanna think about CC on some packs. Spires specifically 😰
chilly brook
Spires feels fine tbh
undone jacinth
I don’t really get the spires hate
chilly brook
Outside of one or two packs
undone jacinth
plaguefall and sanguine feel way worse
neat root
Just hard to group mobs in a few of the packs
ocean yoke
if the golems dont get the fist cast off youre usually good
undone jacinth
if u face their backs to the wall then they don’t jump away
neat root
I find sanguin much easier.
undone jacinth
some of them at least
neat root
It's only a handlful of packs in spires, but they are real annoying.
round raptor
i tried some m+ into pugs, mobs are too scattered and every dps is hitting some different mob, also multiple interrupts.
ocean yoke
sanguine always seems to hinge on the last couple trash before kaal
undone jacinth
there’s a few line of sight spots in spires
Then just keep the mobs backs to the wall
round raptor
yeah, to be fair i didnt even tought about trying to LoS.
undone jacinth
yeah well dps do be dps
neat root
Hey guys, can you just not dps or heal me for 2 seconds so I can los these stupid fuck casters.
Nah bro
ocean yoke
dps: reeeeeee i havent seen numbers in 6 seconds im going now
undone jacinth
haha I had this monk who would always roll in to the pack just before I charged so he’d be first to dps them
round raptor
What, do you want to kill enemies with strategy? that won't do.
undone jacinth
in the end I just let him die a couple of times to see if he’d learn
neat root
had a dps earlier who kept pulling the trash, the kept complaining I couldnt hold aggro
mfw
undone jacinth
classic
round raptor
haha I had this monk who would always roll in to the pack just before I charged ...
honestly, i do that with charge, but i usually leap back when i get a melee into the face.
undone jacinth
the best is when they are a hunter or a rogue
ocean yoke
lot of people got spoiled by end of bfa one ability to hold permanent aggro
round raptor
Blizzard kinda killed threat mechanics a long time ago, but never completely so its just annoying when a expansion starts
neat root
I feel like its particularly bad this xpac but it feels like its getting better as I gear up more.
undone jacinth
hasn’t got better at all for me
the dmg my mage is doing is a joke
can’t hold anything
neat root
big pyros?
undone jacinth
full combust with power infusion
neat root
A nice insta pyro chain will get ya
neat root
just taunt bro
round raptor
well, i'm having soe problems with geared ret paladins
undone jacinth
I just start hamstringing xd
neat root
yeah my ret pally friend is always pullin off me
round raptor
at least mages are ranged so it will give room to do something
undone jacinth
we have a ret also but he can bop himself
marble garnet
is prot doggy doo doo right now?
neat root
I have a Veng DH I play too and my prot war feels like more work but its more fun.
Not super shitty no.
undone jacinth
can’t compare anything to veng right now
neat root
yeah ofc
round raptor
i played 3 warrior specs, and overall i think we are too demanding for very little reward. not entirely bad, but its alot of to do for so little.
neat root
but playstyle prot war is more fun. But that could be because ive mained a war for the last 4 xpacs, might be bias.
undone jacinth
it’s super fun
I have every tank and it’s between Prot warr and Prot pala
for most fun
round raptor
i last played VDH in legion. i kinda miss how cheesy it was, good mitigation with selfhealing and strong AoE. never rage starving.
neat root
I played prot pally back in ICC, tons of fun. Then they added holy power sometime after that and it killed it for me.
round raptor
wish they made Devaste more like DH Shear actually
chilly brook
In what manner
mellow patio
fickle kiln
Alright
elfin lark
I just got the decanter of anima charged winds
it's a higher ilvl but it doesn't seem to have as much utility
both the heal from the organ and shield from the spade come in really handy in M+
I'm not sure the damage from the other one will be worth more as a tank
ionic pewter
I'm having bad dungeon drops luck, what's the lowest ilevel I can feasibly tank normal raid?
modern brook
are u -pugging or do u have a guild
ionic pewter
Guild
modern brook
anything less than 170 is kinda inting
though you can probably do it lower tbh
but heroic dungeons are fast enough to spame
ionic pewter
Cool, thanks! Better keep spamming
chilly brook
it's a higher ilvl but it doesn't seem to have as much utility
Organ is trash
elfin lark
is it?
chilly brook
Get rid of it
Yes
Low procs, low damage, abysmal healing
It's a trap
Scale is good one of the only good tank trinkets
ionic pewter
I filled some unlucky slots with 184 pvp gear
Good to know, cheers
chilly brook
Decanter is good
elfin lark
yea scale is great for big packs, good damage and a big shield
vestal echo
can any warrior please DM who have a lot of experience in mythic+? I have many issues and want to talk to someone
chilly brook
Are you missing kicks
vagrant cape
Hey y'all, I'm undecided on which tanks to level for SL. I played warrior in bfa when it was considered bad (IP was on gcd) and quit before they buffed them to bfa godhood.
It was widely regarded as dog shit until that point but I loved it and thought it was great, just highly underrated.
How would y'all rate current warrior compared to pre-buff BFA warrior? In terms of fun and effectiveness