Yeah, that's what I thought.
#protection
open monolith
timber lagoon
Get this negativity outta here, leave this for the DH disc
north forum
i spam +5 keys, i think prot is in a solid place
slate shell
you guys do know that, rio after 3 days doesnt mean someone is better or worse than the other, right?
north forum
did i forget to mention im 40 and have 3 kids
north forum
wtf was that wall of text
the communiity gets you sad?
grow up lmfao
stop being so invested in the community
open monolith
Can you two, like, go somewhere else?
north forum
thats mental illness tbh
sturdy sable
naw tanks are toxic to each other lol
open monolith
You're being extremely toxic for no reason
severe swallow
What?
blazing dune
Can you guys chill
severe swallow
You called me a salty bitch out of no where
pine tangle
shield bros together, strong
severe swallow
U talk about toxic?
timber lagoon
Srt0nk
open monolith
You're right, that was overly aggressive, which I also recognized.
north forum
ban this sock guy
open monolith
I see you cut off the next thing I said, in which I admitted to that being aggressive ๐
blazing dune
Take it somewhere else.
misty shore
The only thing I see wrong with that screenshot is that you need to charge your phone bruv
open monolith
I'm not sure what you two are trying to accomplish here, but I think we would all appreciate it if you would stop.
timber lagoon
Can we just continue to talk about how much better ravager is than itf
open monolith
Well that was intense.
pine tangle
ravager is cool and all but what about unstoppable and thunderlord boots right? (no really is this right)
open monolith
Ravager is better even when taking into account TL
there is undeniable synergy between UF and TL, but it isn't enough to make it a better pick than ravager
slate shell
is UF and AM better with thunderlord for below 15 keys, than ravager/bolster?
pine tangle
oh no
open monolith
for below 15 keys at current gear levels? probably not
even +7s can slap pretty hard right now if you aren't over like... 185-187
slate shell
check mate? lmao
torpid granite
what did i miss?
open monolith
nothing noteworthy
a toxic guy being toxic and his friend backing him up
better to move on
open monolith
of all my character names, Pinksock is not one of them
onesock, luckysock, sweatysock, gymsock, earthsock, sure
pinksock, purposely avoided
torpid granite
haha so i guess that dude was bad mouthing warriors?
open monolith
Not worth revisiting the topic
twin comet
Does anyone have a working interrupt weakaura for your party? I've tried two and neither worked
still pagoda
the game itself is great so far, yet what makes it a bad experience is the community of it. I had enough bullshit over all these years to have a solid reason to despise all the metachasing and ridicule that happens because of that predominant mindset in WoW community. The whole problem is that at that point, 99% of WoW community just blindly trusts all the chit-chalk, ham radio and superficial tier lists. Not trying to improve, to dig deeper, to master the spec/class that you feel like it is what you like. The same blind and infantile mindset that made a lot of trouble for people who just want to play whatever they want yet were not able to find such a guild/group in which they can push high keys and sub-WR500/1000 CE completion on whatever specs they love. It is a huge problem that plagues the community, the same problem that led me to where i am in for 2 years by now: constantly moving because some guilds fall apart, and some just don't want to see X spec/class because "it is not meta" no matter your logs and how well you play, no matter their WR either.
you guys do know that, rio after 3 days doesnt mean someone is better or worse than the other, right? [2]
open monolith
https://wago.io/InterruptTracker - just a brief search on wago
still pagoda
and yeah, these 2 morons were trying to pull a strawman like all the typical internet politics nerds. Same shit but in profile
misty shore
Why are you people arguing in this discord. To farm Karma, you need to be on reddit
open monolith
We aren't, we have moved on.
torpid granite
Why are you people arguing in this discord. To farm Karma, you need to be on red...
chuck thats meta
twin comet
That's the weakaura that I tried first. I'll have to look at it when I get back on tonight.
open monolith
This chat is usually very high quality ๐
well beerett I recommend just trying another one from wago if that one isn't working
misty shore
i fapped in a sock once
open monolith
only once?
twin comet
Everyone has.
open monolith
the convenience alone is worth more than once. but who am I to judge?
misty shore
Yeah didn't feel that good tbh. But I found some nice quality soft ones. Are you nice quality and soft?
still pagoda
@twin comet @open monolith this one is attached to Zen Tracker
open monolith
ah
twin comet
I've got the backend installed. The WA wasn't loading though
still pagoda
a lot of important stuff for each WA there
going to get some tea. Don't want to argue over anything, especially when it comes to such shit
twin comet
How do y'all feel about holy paladins right now?
still pagoda
good if you get a good one
open monolith
I'm honestly happy with all of the healers
except disc
Have yet to see a solid disc
jagged pier
well your not a top 50 warrior sock your opinion doesnt matter 
mellow patio
A good holy paladin is about as good as you can get
open monolith
Oh shit you caught me
mellow patio
Unfortunately there are not many
open monolith
I'm not afraid to share my unimpressive profile ๐
I haven't had a whole lot of play time since m+ dropped, lol
I plan to try and rectify that on my coming days off
mellow patio
People worrying about io on week 1 of season 1 lul
open monolith
indeed!
still pagoda
People worrying about io on week 1 of season 1 lul [2]
mellow patio
Iโll stick with beating my head against this raid
jagged pier
I would rather do that
open monolith
I want to do the raid because I actually really like it more than I thought
but.... m+ offeres SO MANY MORE opportunity for loot
jagged pier
have to wait till tomorrow again 
open monolith
and it is significantly easier to pug
mellow patio
Tank damage is actually somewhat relevant at this point so this is when raid is fun
open monolith
I really feel like they screwed the pooch on loot distribution in this raid
still pagoda
i'm stuck in a situation without a guild so imma just go on and spam M+ for now
open monolith
I get that they want to stretch the tier out
still pagoda
I really feel like they screwed the pooch on loot distribution in this raid
original intent was 3 items at all times
iirc
open monolith
I know. I do not feel as though that is.... good intent
If anything, that is going to drive people MORE toward m+ spam
idk, I'm not a game designer.
lavish oracle
Oooh, caught up on this morning's drama. I found it funny where they pretended that rankings matter less than a week into the season, lmao
open monolith
Not even worth talking about ๐
still pagoda
Oooh, caught up on this morning's drama. I found it funny where they pretended t...
i wasn't even there during it
washed away the shitty quarantine and no raid mood with witcher 3 and cookies
so i don't even know what it was
sick sentinel
i fapped in a sock once
me too haha
open monolith
what a weird thing to specifically quote and reply to >:|
still pagoda
jagged pier
me too haha
wait you dont normally do that
pure silo
anyone else having issues with the G2 pack from De other side (Risen warlord and bonesoldiers) ? the melee hits decimates me w/o SW
jagged pier
tthey enrage just kite till they arent
open monolith
Either have a druid / hunter soothe them or gtfo
elfin lark
I'm the number 15 alliance warrior tank on my server which I think highlights the bad place prot is right now lol
dense pivot
spicy take
steel mauve
presence does not = how good a class is
still pagoda
@open monolith returning to the question you asked before this whole quarrel with 2 dudes started.
WoW is a game that is driven by community participation. You can't have any fun in it, especially if you love raids and high M+, without having a good mature community. The more time goes, the more i agree with damned devs and Ion that this whole situation with meta and bring the class attitude is a doing of the WoW community, not devs. Finding a guild that doesn't care for the choice of the spec while pushing for the highest performance becomes harder and harder, and i was not able to find one in all that time. Entirety of my negativity comes from just getting neglected and having to skip out on content because i'm playing something i love and not something that is "meta"
it just gets worse and worse
open monolith
Yeah, too many players consume tier lists as though they are gospel, so the class is under-represented at the moment
elfin lark
I was just making a joke at my own expense jeez
still pagoda
you can't enjoy the content if you don't have a good guild community to have good time with
open monolith
I mean, I don't disagree with you Karton, but I don't share your experience with pugs. I tend to get invited simply because "tank", and then I make friends with the good experiences
azure mauve
Can someone help me please. As a prot warrior, i have problems when it comes to hold aggro from the mobs in Spires of Ascension. Those kyrian dark angels throw spears from afar and they make me run around the room trying to grab them. Can someone tell me some advice on how to tank the mobs on that instance the proper way?
azure mauve
Thank you @jagged pier , i didn't know that.
fallow mortar
I am in a great guild that does not care about the meta. Just need to wait for the rest of them to gear up so that we can properly raid \o/
elfin lark
I understand the problem though ogre, chasing down mobs is hard for us because we l have directional mitigation with blocking
jagged pier
Thank you <@!179993058186625025> , i didn't know that.
they are a pain to group up as you have to keep running to the far ones but eventually you can get them in
elfin lark
and I have found dps to be entirely unhelpful in m+
still pagoda
I mean, I don't disagree with you Karton, but I don't share your experience with...
i had enough shit when pushing 20-22 range with pugs. Enough to have 90% of the keys as not completed. Getting kicked out of the group because you don't stack vers(where it is unnecessary), and so on, getting 9/10 declines, seeing people getting extremely toxic and leave the group mid dungeon in almost every single case and so on
elfin lark
I've had multiple groups outright refuse to expose the invisible spiders mobs in plaguefall because I should just drag the boss around
open monolith
Ah, see, I never bother going above 15
I want my weekly chest. ๐
that's it
I feel no drive to push keys, as it doesn't actually get me anything in-game
and r.io means literally nothing to me
lavish oracle
Rank also just doesn't matter because it's like 4 days into the tier, I know I haven't had much time to play, let alone sit down and push keys. Like imagine thinking a class is bad because you're getting stonewalled at 10s.
lavish oracle
I'm jelly of their damage
open monolith
No. VDH is busted lol
lavish oracle
I just wanna hit hard again
open monolith
but hey, at least you're not an edgelord who has SACRIFICED EVERYTHING, WHAT HAVE YOU GIVEN
elfin lark
I'm a warrior and an engineer blizz makes us eat garbage constantly
open monolith
I'm an Alchemist
because Alchemy is always BiS
and nobody will ever change my mind
elfin lark
ya but I love doodads
lavish oracle
I might switch alch/engi for bres
open monolith
does anyone know if Tauren racial stacks with shadowlands gathering enchant?
does it make herbalism instant
lavish oracle
And just make my druid a flower picking alt
still pagoda
I feel no drive to push keys, as it doesn't actually get me anything in-game
this is exactly where i'm talking from. Higher M+, sub-WR1000 CE raiding. All of it doesn't require any kind of metachasing, yet 99% of that WoW community is going off the rails with their brains off whenever they see anything that is not "meta"
lavish oracle
It stacked with previous enchants
open monolith
Well, Karton
lavish oracle
It was like .25s pick time, it was great
open monolith
Make your own groups my dude
jagged pier
theres a reason the multiboxers are all still tauren
open monolith
be the guy who doesn't meta chase and invites anyone
pliant narwhal
urghs just tankend my first 10.... - i feel sooooo squishy:((( horrible feeling
elfin lark
people get high on meta
open monolith
Esna everyone is Squishy
jagged pier
^^
open monolith
I think everyone got used to being geared in BFA, and thinks they should be able to sit there and face tank +10s
jagged pier
spend most of the time kiting
open monolith
that's... not how it works
get used to kiting
until you are... like, heroic raid geared at a minimum, you aren't gonna sit there and face tank a 10 - 15
steady spruce
Is the Kyrian synergy in Necrotic Wake bugged for anyone else? When i summon the bird he doesn't open a talk menu
lavish oracle
Yeah, even watching Trell on brew, he was still dying like every other pack in depths
open monolith
yes Thurn, that has been reported by several people
I haven't personally had it happen
jagged pier
Is the Kyrian synergy in Necrotic Wake bugged for anyone else? When i summon the...
its ither an addon or a bug because i get the same
open monolith
but it isn't uncommon, apparently
still pagoda
fun fact: Pugging higher M+ is still the same shit. You get people with poor performance no matter the spec/class they play
Most of the keys i've done or attempted to back in 8.3 were my groups that i have assembled. @open monolith
open monolith
Are you guys summoning your steward right as you get to the golem, or before hand?
I always summon him standing at the golem, and he has always had the option
jagged pier
both
steady spruce
jagged pier
I think its something with because he can change your talents it flags it as not being able to do in m+
open monolith
Karton the only thing you can do, then, is be the change you want to see in the WoW community /cliche
jagged pier
wouldnt suprise me if blizz overlooked that
open monolith
make your own groups, invite regardless of meta
you won't change anyone else's mind
So do it yourself ๐
I have definitely had him activate the golem for me in m+
lavish oracle
Yeah, same
elfin lark
Personally all the really smooth successful M+ runs I've had have not been "fun" they've been completely silent usually and categorically unfun
open monolith
Do you guys play like, 100% solo by yourself?
elfin lark
no one talks we just chew through the instance and go our separate ways
open monolith
I pug 3/5 of my group, usually, but always play with one friend of mine
Do you try to start conversation? or do you always wait for someone else to
still pagoda
make your own groups, invite regardless of meta
exactly what i've been doing. Just that the whole situation i've described prevents people like me from enjoying other parts of content like raids and organised group M+
elfin lark
I'm in a super friendly helpful guild, but I don't really know anyone very well
open monolith
I love being guildless
I don't have to see "grats!" every time someone gets a completely meaningless achievement
still pagoda
open monolith
"Completed 50 quests"
OMG GRATS!
elfin lark
lol @open monolith you got that right
lapis hedge
Sock, you sound like an old senior Sergent in the army
lavish oracle
I've just been running 6s with some friends, no issues yet. Maybe 7 and 8s will cause us some problems but I doubt it.
open monolith
I would love to have a steady, consistent group, but only one of my three RL friends who play is good enough to do any end game content, and there doesn't appear to be many (or any) guilds recruiting on my server ๐ฎ
steady fiber
Guys it's better to do the wall or thunder for m+ ? :/
open monolith
I have never been military >.>
I'm not sure how to take that
so I'm going to take it as a compliment
steel mauve
thunder for m+
open monolith
Wall is better on 1 - 2 targets, TL on 3+
so, yes, TL is (on average) better for m+ than the wall
lavish oracle
I don't know if anyone is sure yet, between thunderlord's and the Wall yet for M+. Thunderlord's is definitely more damage
Which is good for current keystones level
Better defensives might be necessary further along
still pagoda
I would love to have a steady, consistent group, but only one of my three RL fri...
Not even on EU-Draenor rn
steel mauve
pretty sure both guides written are sure which is better for which
lavish oracle
The guides said they're both good options until like a week ago, and survivability hasn't been the barrier for timing keys yet
Like what's the metric here?
steel mauve
i think thunderlords more than doubles the uptime of a aoe DR cd which is what mostly m+ is, there is an argument for the wall on probably fort weeks of higher keys but its hard to pass up the defensives on trash, plus it adds aoe dps as well
azure mauve
What is the best slot to use TL on? feet, hands or else?
exotic spoke
Did you mean tyrannical weeks for wall? Also, thunderlords can't more than double the uptime of demo shout
misty shore
Boys, m+. Ravager or Unstoppable Force. What's the verdict
steel mauve
ya tyrranical not fort
i always get those 2 mixed up
ravager for pretty much every thing
TL on feet, can only be on hands or feet and the hands from raid are beter itemized than the boots
midnight stone
I'm running ravager currently, feels a lot better than unstoppable
azure mauve
Ty @steel mauve
lavish oracle
The thing about TL's DR is that it's less controlled, you're not popping it to fill mitigation gaps, you're using it on CD to generate rage and do damage
exotic spoke
But yeah, thunderlords with ravager doesn't double the uptime.
steel mauve
but in the instances where you pop it on cd you are actively tanking so its less randomized
fallow mortar
if we have 'high' haste, is eternal skirmish better than Eternal stance?
sullen quartz
My friends. Dragons roar or booming voice? Idk I love the instant aoe agro that I get with dragons roar but in the other hand the extra rage from booming would be nice to smooth the rotation
fallow mortar
BV
lavish oracle
Sure, but it's based on # of mobs and you're not necessarily going to need the 20% extra DR on a 20s metronome
Again, I wouldn't be surprised if TL is still BiS in higher keys, I think it's just too early to call it definitive
It deff does more damage, though. Not arguing that
Just like from a defensive utility perspective
sullen quartz
What if you equip both legendaries or that is not possible TL and wall
exotic spoke
Can't right now
steel mauve
cant yet
lavish oracle
Can only equip one at the moment
exotic spoke
Perhaps in the future - but not yet.
lavish oracle
Might be able to do 2 later
sullen quartz
Oh dang I wanted to craft next week one rank 2 legendary that goes along with my rank 1 feet with TL
open monolith
what he fuck, I just looked at Guardian legendaries
they are so much better than ours o.o
Thrash has a 15% chance to thrash a second time and 75% of all thrash damage is given as a shield
or the one that grants frenzied regen and ironfur at the beginning and end of barkskin
grand drum
What if i told you three of their legendaries were baseline in legion
lavish oracle
Yeah, guardian legendaries are amazing
To be fair
Guardian was amazing in legion
So
tall mural
What two trinkets are you all running?
lavish oracle
My trinkets are trash but in a perfect world probably Hakar's from DOS and Phial from plaguefall
jagged pier
haste darkmoon and 200ilvl verscra as I dont have anything else
sullen quartz
Iโm running quuantum device and is decent aside from the 3 min xd
lavish oracle
Might fuck around and try the cheat death if it ever drops for me
8 minute CD is pretty weak, tho
PvP trinkets are pretty good as well
sullen quartz
PvP gear in general isnโt it , haste vers still king probs
lavish oracle
Yeah, haste/vers are bis defensively, at least
steel mauve
Some are using the pvp trinkets, the cheat death trinket is once again weak, but its also same cd as dh's cheat death
sweet summit
u want high haste tho
frail ice
What are the talents I should be taking for starting torghast, been stuck on layer 3 and was told to do tank
lavish oracle
I mean same as the talents in the guide mostly, @frail ice
AM over bolster probably for torg
jagged pier
if your dying in torghast its probably due to misplay tbh
sullen quartz
Just los the casters and shooters and aoe everything down
lavish oracle
Take it slow if you need to, no point in rushing and dying to trash, buy animal powers that increase your ST damage
lavish oracle
Who?
frail ice
ok ty
sweet summit
with what
autumn pendant
with leveling
undone jacinth
prot warr is best torghast class in the game that ive played
sweet summit
no ๐
autumn pendant
azure mauve
The mob pull before Hakkar on De other Side instance is way too difficult on higher keys, any advice on how to tank those skelletons and casters as a prot warrior?
strong forum
use the urn to stun them
undone jacinth
use the urn
strong forum
and pray your dps actually do dps
undone jacinth
kite and line of sight
azure mauve
Thank you
open monolith
Earth Elemental
fucking lust
that trash pull is probably the hardest part of that entire dungeon lol
I didn't think there actually was an Urn by that pull
Aren't you thinking of the Urn outside of Gnometown?
muted pendant
prot warr is best torghast class in the game that ive played
I second this - insane dps and crazy survivability
soft vector
has anyone been trying to use signet as a tank?
muted pendant
I didn't think there actually was an Urn by that pull
all the way back right theres one
soft vector
does it stop you from blocking
undone jacinth
I've always assumed so
never heard otherwise
channels that don't normally specifically say it
open monolith
Lightee is running heavy repercussions in the raid righ tnow
blissful imp
Peeping the two prot warriors with the highest keys completed, both have signet equipped. Dunno for sure of they used it in the key, but they both got it
open monolith
well, it's an excellent legendary for pure damage
and if you have a solid world 1st +15 clearing group, you probably don't need to be as tanky
because your DPS is interrupting and stunning, and your healer isn't shit
so that doesn't surprise me all that much
spark mortar
Solo Torghast is great. What are peeps favorite combos? Iโm a little disappointed in the Revenge stacker - I let it build to 100 and it was like โmehโ lol.
open monolith
Charge = 400% damage for a few seconds, leap = 200% damage for a few seconds, 1st shaterring throw does 10,000% damage
combine = 1 shot boss.
those are all fairly rare anima powers though, so you likely won't ever get to use that combo very often
blissful imp
I tried that revenge power a few times too, was very disappointed with it even when getting it stacked to 40k damage
blissful imp
As Venthyr Prot, condemn builds are tons of fun. Getting ragemote on floor 6 with the condemn at any health % is best 1 button rotation ever
pure dust
The wall should be used on which gear s?
open monolith
Shoulders.
still pagoda
TGV finally dropped
ionic fern
seems spicy and worth trying
solar crown
Lightee is running heavy repercussions in the raid righ tnow
was thinking about it myself. with the wall and HR you get +8 rage per shield slam. Might be something to test out for raids
open monolith
he said he didn't notice that he was using it at all, Karto
still pagoda
have only started spamming keys today so i'm catching up
open monolith
like, didn't feel it
solar crown
so, the plan from bliz is to increase threat gen by 10% for all tanks, and buff blood DK's damage. Didnt know blood had such low output?
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-in-progress-dec-15/771191 for those who wonder where i get the info
dense pivot
it's hard to tell because I played condemn with deadly calm
but I basically had to die byt the sword on boss pulls and during bladestorms
because I took aggro from my friend blood dk
open monolith
Tuning isn't done, those patch notes aren't final
there is a chance they will throw us a bone in one way or another, but my hopes will not be going up
solar crown
yes, but it sends a message that they recognize people are struggling with threat, and that DKs apparently are lagging behind. Might be i havent paid attention but i thought bears was the tanks that hit stuff with wet noodles
solar crown
I have no idea.. good point regarding data though
mental scarab
Lower SB cd๐๐๐๐๐
open monolith
if only
mental scarab
And give it passiv 50% magic dr Huhu
solar crown
@open monolith did you by any chance notice uf lightee also went for punish on the first row? It looks pretty good tbh
solar crown
allright. It would make sense at you get more ss, but 20% more damage from ss sounds juicy
azure mauve
Kyrian Stitchwerks abominations on the Necrotic Wake instance are really difficult to tank as a prot warrior, their "mutilate" skill deals too much damage. Can you guys give me any advice on how to deal with those?
sick sentinel
how do i unlock more endurance and finesse things
open monolith
@azure mauve make sure you have shield block up for when he uses mutilate, and probably ignore pain as well
I mean, it obviously hits very hard, but it wasn't something that instakilled me.
if you need to hit shield wall because you don't have either up, do it.
A big mistake a lot of tank players make is the "potion problem" from RPGs
"I'm gonna save this for later...."
later never comes
hit those cooldowns, baby
azure mauve
Thank you for the advice
lavish oracle
to be fair
DKs kinda need the help, haha
watched Dratnos do a key on his DK and he had like 1.5k overall
mild river
lavish oracle
Eh, maybe, I don't play DK
sick sentinel
is it possible to zerg any bosses in CN normal?
inland garnet
Guys, is Unhinged supposed NOT to work with Ravager (Prot)
sick sentinel
just get a bunch of clowns togeher and kill it
lavish oracle
Didn't seem like it from my limited experience, Yogi
novel willow
I am getting my shit pushed in in keys at the 8 level and I want to make sure it's me and not my talents etc. I'm using the icy veins guide and have pelagos with these conduits can someone just sanity check me?
talents
lavish oracle
Quite a few Insta wipe mechanics you have to respect
ebon jasper
if you're dying bolster is probably a better choice?
lavish oracle
Yeah, Bolster is better defensively
ebon jasper
Guessing the UF is because you're running thunderlord?
lavish oracle
Consider kiting more often too, once you have threat
novel willow
yeah wanted to get synergy with it as much as possible
sick sentinel
bolster up u basically do not die to melee dmg
novel willow
I'll swap bolster and should I maybe take ravager since I'm not getting as many avatars?
lavish oracle
I think Ravager is also just better in all situations
ebon jasper
UF puts more of the pump in the avatar but for that like 70 seconds it isnt up ravager fires 1,5 times
astral orbit
24% Vers pushed a 14 key today, but keep being stuck at your 7 keys with ZOMG HASTE BEST STAT
ebon jasper
I tried UF yesterday when I got the legendary and as many said here it feels super clunky
sick sentinel
well, i'm collecting some vers whenever i can
novel willow
so maybe I should look into another lego. I have the wall should I do that instead?
lavish oracle
Daniel, it literally doesn't matter what your secondaries are for a 14
sick sentinel
ppl run crit because parry triggers the revenge proc,
lavish oracle
People are still figuring shit out, no one is playing optimally
ebon jasper
you can still run thunderlord without UF
astral orbit
Nah man some shit head in here told me Iโm stupid because Vers is a bad stay
Stat
lavish oracle
Oh, nah, vers is good
astral orbit
Yeah I know, just wanted to rub it in his face that Iโm pushing high keys and he ainโt
astral orbit
Btw
Haste will matter less for aggro on reset
They are increasing threat making 10% for all tanks
steel mauve
haste is our best defensive and offensive stat
haste generates rage and lowers shield block cd
sick sentinel
haste is still best with vers/crit mix
lavish oracle
I think the idea is that more haste = more SB uptime, better rage gen, more damage
But I imagine all the secondaries are pretty close
sick sentinel
right, and crit is to help with dps through revenge procs
steel mauve
the other 3 are extremely close
haste just has a much higher gap between the rest of them
sick sentinel
revenge quite often procs SS
loud mural
Someone just told me Huntsman boss in Nathria gets 150% bonus damage if you stack the first add on him? Not seeing that in the journal, is it true?
strong forum
Barghast
ebon jasper
or wait am I mixing this up
novel willow
rip soul add walks to boss
lavish oracle
Yeah
novel willow
increazses dmg
it's the scond one in the fight though not the first idk we stacked the first
lavish oracle
First is fine to stack
open monolith
Yeah if the Rip Soul add isn't full healed and makes it to him, he gets a big buff, I believe
lavish oracle
You want to stack boss and add as much as possible
open monolith
Does the Rip Soul add spawn where you are or where Barghast is?
strong forum
barghast i think
open monolith
because if it spawns on YOU, just leap away during the cast
ebon jasper
where the offtank is with barghast
open monolith
well it either spawns where the bear is, or where you are
ebon jasper
DBM does not shout "GTFO"
open monolith
there is a difference lol
Don't rely on DBM to tell you what to do
that's a crutch
ebon jasper
Just saying that's why people would miss it
open monolith
it just tells you it is coming, and you should play accordingly
lavish oracle
Could probably watch a vod and see
open monolith
I was taking Barghast to Egypt for Rip Soul, so I didn't actually notice if it spawned on ME or barghast
lavish oracle
I couldn't say for certain if it was spawning on me or barghast, didn't think to check
open monolith
The shades of barghast just spawn around the room
so no need to move him for that (pretty sure)
ebon jasper
yeah adds are just wherever they feel like
open monolith
Well, I downed him this week already, but next week if we don't have an answer I will experiment and find out
because if we can just leap out during rip soul cast, that will be excellent extra up time on cleave
solar crown
pretty sure they spawn on barghast, not on the tank. he doesnt target the tank with the cast, so it wouldnt make sense
novel willow
rip soul spawns on barghast not the tank
solar crown
doesnt it just summon a spirit of the target?
looks like you are right, he does damage to the target as well. but it doesnt change the fact the spirits spawn on barghast
we tried it your way in our raid, and since barghast stands still when casting rip soul we were unable to move him out, so i kited the main boss out instead
open monolith
good to know
I don't feel bad about taking Barghast to Egypt about 2 seconds before the cast
I probably took him significantly farther than I actually needed to, though
The real hard add is that 3rd one
that buff scales up REAL fast, and it does a LOT of damage when you move him
when my pug cleared it, I was literally just constantly moving him
didn't let the buff stack up, healers just had to deal with the constant aoe
astral halo
how do you all go about using shield wall in m+? I've been using it either when I know the pull will be hard or specifically when I notice I'm getting a lot of incoming damage during a pull
the group im playing with has been checking cd usage and mine is basically on CD during half the run
which i dont find that weird
open monolith
That is not weird.
astral halo
seeing as theres running and easy packs around
open monolith
use it when you need it, idk
if you just sit on it and never use it, it goes to waste
it can cover gaps in active mitigation when bolster / SB is down
astral halo
and I get the feeling that they want me to use it basically on cooldown which I object to
lavish oracle
You should be using it as much as possible, pretty much
to fill gaps in Shield Block
open monolith
it can add to your mitigation during big ouchy pulls
steel mauve
i use it when i have gaps in mit and last stand is down, or just during big boy pulls
open monolith
if you know there is a very difficult pull coming up, like the pull outside of trolltown in De Other Side, save it. Otherwise, just use it to cover mitigation gaps
Saving Shield Wall is like saving a potion in an RPG. it goes to waste if you never use it
don't be precious about your cooldowns ๐
blissful imp
I that third bear man.. thought his damage would slowly ramp up and id know when to move him... he went from doing barely any noticeable damage at stack 6 and 7 to two shooting me for stacks 8 and 9
astral halo
sure but a normal run is about 3-4 uses for me
is that way too little?
not a lot of big boy pulls
steel mauve
not really needed
open monolith
If you go 4 minutes without using it at any point, and it isn't on cooldown, you could have used it twice
lavish oracle
I don't actually know if that's worht it but it certainly sounds fun ๐
open monolith
once at the beginning of that period, and one at the end
so basically: stop sitting on it like it is worth gold, it isn't
steel mauve
thats losing a lot of other stuff just to boost a cd
open monolith
pop that shit and make your run easier
save it if you know a big difficult pull is coming up
otherwise, use that shit bruuuuh
cover your gaps
lavish oracle
Any time you're like "I could use an extra charge of shield block here" and shield wall is up, consider using it, basically
astral halo
think the bigger issue is the pulls are too small
so its never really justified using it
cause i breeze through it with mitigation
lavish oracle
Yeah, you could always pull bigger
open monolith
and you'd breeze through it 30% better for 8 seconds if you did use it
steel mauve
adding more defensives to an already trivial pull isnt the same as adding more damage
open monolith
Damage and size pulls are pretty prdictable and controllable if yo know the dungeon
steel mauve
he would be better adding to the pull than adding to his defensives
open monolith
well, it kinda is the same
the less damage he takes, the more damage he and his healer can deal instead of spending rage on IP or the healer spending GCDs on heals
but, I agree, if the damage incoming is trivial, pull more
lavish oracle
I think it's just two separate problems
like 1) getting in the habit of using your CDs as much as possible and 2) damage is trivial in dungeons, you should be pulling bigger
(which isn't to say all dungeon damage is trivial but if you find yourself holding shield wall so much, you're probably not exactly getting trucked)
astral halo
I supposed I just kinda felt piled on by the group
lack of dps/doing mechanics wrong/full melee comp = lets blame the tank
not that outright but get the feeling sorta
lavish oracle
It's valid criticism but wow players can be toxic sometimes so they don't always offer it in a way that makes you want to accept it, haha
open monolith
I doubt you not using Shield Wall more was the main problem with a group not doing well, versus interrupting / CCing the right targets at the right time, but using it more may have been helpful
lavish oracle
Yeah, it's unlikely it's the reason your group was wiping, especially if you weren't taking enough damage to feel it was warranted
steel mauve
im finding it odd how often i have to remind dps and some healers that they have an interrupt
astral halo
we're not wiping really
no ones even dying
threat seemed fine today
steadily +2 on 7s
open monolith
okay so... I'm confused, what is the problem? what were they "blaming" you for?
astral halo
low CD usage
which is why im asking if its appropriate or not to basically only have it on cooldown half the run
open monolith
right but what problem was your low CD usage causing that they were blaming you for
astral halo
no specific issue, just in general "use your cds more often"
open monolith
were they just criticizing you for not using it enough, or were they blaming some specific event on you that resulted from low CD usage
steel mauve
unless you are dieing from non interrupting abilities and stuff then your use of shield wall has nothing to do with performance of pulls
lavish oracle
Sounds like peeps were just looking at the logs
open monolith
okay, when you said "blame the tank" I was confused, because that implies something happened that they are holding you accoutnable for
steel mauve
or unless it came straight from the healer and they were like there were times where you were getting shit on and you need the usage of cd's better thats a valid criticism
astral halo
sure
but its the opposite for me really
use your cds and i dont even have to heal you
that thing
open monolith
well, that's a valid criticism kinda
if you use CDs and it makes it so the healer can DPS instead of healing
lavish oracle
Anyways, I'd just use it more anyways. More breathing room for the healer, more time for them to DPS, unless your healer is still doing full DPS rotation while keeping you alive consistently in which case, fuck it, sounds like there's no problem yet
open monolith
that's a faster clear.
if you're literally not using your CDs ever, from that view point, you are slowing the run down
steel mauve
ya tanking models have changed over the years, it used to be "hold your cd's for big dick tank damage spells/abilities" but now its just use them at opportune times in your defensive rotation
astral halo
sure but 3-4 uses in a dungeon felt appropriate for the pulls we were doing and the damage and i took, so i just got tilted when the only criticisms were levied at me and only for cd usage
amber herald
which slot is better for the wall leggo? back or shoulders?
astral halo
there are definitely a lot of things i can improve
steel mauve
but also valid criticism is a far cry from blame the tank
open monolith
shoulders
tall mural
shoulders, more stats
steel mauve
shoulders for stat budget
open monolith
Capo, was this criticism provided to you in a hostile way?
astral halo
hm
open monolith
because... maybe the real problem is your ability to accept constructive criticism
saying "yo use shield wall a little more" should probably be met with, "hmm, k"
steel mauve
ya it defeinitely depends on how it was delivered as well
some people just dont know how to give some one advice to improve
astral halo
well
theres definitely a lack of specifics in the advice, i just dont know what they want really and for what purpose
"use cds more" is unhelpful when I have no trouble surviving
open monolith
well I think we've done a pretty solid job explaining the possible benefits of it
steel mauve
did you use avatar/ravager/demo shout often enogh? maybe they werent talking about shield wall specifically?
astral halo
ye avatar/demo on cd
ravager or spear on pull
its not necessarily hostile
but definitely chiding
lavish oracle
Again, there's a few benefits to using defensive CDs more often, you can do bigger pulls and give your healer more breathing room so they can DPS and kill shit faster. There's no harm in casting Shield Wall as often as you can fit it into your rotation, really
there are very few times I'd want to hold it
astral halo
suppose I just gotta get to know the dungeons more
lavish oracle
Chiding/condescending is the worst
astral halo
so I know fully when i have 4 minutes to the next hardest pull
lavish oracle
feels worse than people outright berating me, sometimes, haa
open monolith
i mean, maybe they were legitimately friendly smilies
and you just interpreted them as passive aggressive ๐ฎ
open monolith
maybe the people you play with are shitlords
and you should find a better group of people ๐ฎ
lavish oracle
I think it's just part of learning to accept criticism, it can feel really bad and you kinda just have to be like "I shouldn't be feeling this way, they're just trying to help" but it can feel really hard
open monolith
I mean, to be REAL honest
if you guys are clearing easily
no problems
no wipes
strong forum
open monolith
it sounds like everything is K
stfu nome you already got your 200 Hakkar trinket
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
lavish oracle
give it to me
strong forum
3min CD of CBA
open monolith
just imagine if that had been a 203 death god's ring instead
strong forum
lavish oracle
I'll take a 203 of any trinket at this point
strong forum
184 ๐ข
open monolith
187 ๐ฆ
lavish oracle
damn, wish I had more time to play so I could get #1 and screen shot it
and then rest on my week 1 laurels for the rest of the expansion
๐
sick sentinel
whats the sweet spot for haste?
lavish oracle
I don't think there is one?
steel mauve
tehre isnt one
lavish oracle
25% feels pretty good because 12s shield block recharge
but beyond that there isn't like a hard and fast rule
strong forum
500
lavish oracle
I think you just want as much as you can get
open monolith
160% haste is the sweet spot
still pagoda
doing all keys on +10 on warri already gets you top 20 world
shit happens
lavish oracle
Once shield block is on the GCD is the sweet spot
still pagoda
guess it will be basically a competition of 5-6 people for top warri spots
done few +5's rn
refreshing as usual
gonna pump it up tomorrow
twilit siren
Anyone have a new spell reflection WA?
lavish oracle
Yeah, my group pushed most of our keys to +6 earlier this week and none of us had really had any time otherwise
jagged pier
@strong forum how do you get good loot and i get the shitty stam trinket from plaguefall
lavish oracle
Pretty sure more people were playing prot warrior at the start of BfA than now
which is funny because I feel like community perception was was worse at the start of BfA
fair crystal
what would you guys use of these ?
lavish oracle
Verdict
jagged pier
what would you guys use of these ?
PV 100%
fair crystal
yeh rage gen is moist cheers
jagged pier
well and show of force is only like .5% dps increase
fair crystal
Thanks team just needed yall to confirm what I was thinking ๐
lunar jackal
guys how the hell do you deal with those corroded claws casts in plaguefall
open monolith
which one is that
is that the little guys
who put a stacking buff that lowers your % stats
and nukes the fuck out of your HP?
jaunty vector
surprised prots not getting any buffs
steel mauve
tuning pass isnt over yet
stable flower
Devastate should generate rage, bam
open monolith
"Shield Slam Damage increased by 15%
Ignore Pain Shield size increased by 20% and damage mitigated increased to 75%
Shield Block cooldown reduced by 2 seconds"
^ none of the above is true. Did it make you feel something, though?
jaunty vector
rofl yes
stable flower
Hope
lavish oracle
I'd like more damage on TC, please
please replace Never Surrender with literally anything else
it's never good ๐
stable flower
Like that opening moment in star wars a#episode seven and then that final moment in almost 4 seconds
open monolith
"Never Surrender is now baseline. This talent row only has 2 options now, fuck you"
lavish oracle
I'll take it, tbh
open monolith
"Never Surrender now also increases the amount of damage absorbed by Ignore Pain, up to 90% at lower health levels"
^ this is the change we need
BRING BACK 90% IP
lol
tulip oar
silliness in Torghast
lavish oracle
That row only has 1 option atm anyways
tulip oar
Layer 5 boss fight
lunar jackal
@open monolith yeah those are the adds that i was referring to
lavish oracle
damn, nice
clever bronze
It pains me every single time I get a SS reset within the last GCD of the SS cooldown
rigid kettle
What should I craft thunderlord legendary on?
sweet summit
boots>=gloves
open monolith
If you already have big boots or big gloves, maybe craft the other
also if one is 50k more expensive than the other, easy choice
stable flower
Shield slam should have two charges
stable flower
That passive defense
strong forum
yey haste helmet
loud mural
Is the ToP trinket junk? I have the haste field trinket too, not sure which is better
strong forum
ITF felt meh, dont notice the uptime on block
strong forum
hoa
strong forum
last key
open monolith
big sad
modern brook
open monolith
I like torghast
shit is fun
except for Coldheart Interstitia
fuck every single fucking thing about that wing
brisk flax
Still trying to figure out how Blizzard thinks they needed to buff Blood DKs but Prot Warriors didnt need any attention
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
jagged pier
cause my bdk co tank couldnt hold aggro against me
brisk flax
still lol, how about some love for us, we are like the most undesired tank currently
steel mauve
prot war has pretty good dps where as blood dk is very lacking in dmg
undesired does not = ability
we are actually really good, but too many tier lists are holden to as gospel when they are flat out incorrect
brisk flax
Sure, we could use more ability to handle magic damage so people stop benching us for no reason
jagged pier
still lol, how about some love for us, we are like the most undesired tank curre...
thats because of community perception not lack of anything
steel mauve
every tank sucks against magic though, warrior isnt the only one there
brisk flax
So Iron it out?
jagged pier
we actually have one of the best magic mitigation tools in the game
brisk flax
I guess this patch was to address threat problems for classes
DK still has better tools
most classes have better tools
jagged pier
i dont see bdk solo tanking darkvien
brisk flax
Prot Pally
steel mauve
this is a very light tuning pass, it isnt the only one, and prot war is actually pretty strong as well, just because the community doesnt think so, doesnt mean we are considerably weak
ionic fern
Perception change comes once streamers start playing WoW.
brisk flax
Something has to give
steel mauve
no one can really do any thing about that other than streamers/tierlists/youtubers
ionic fern
Also..we were literally great in Bfa
brisk flax
Ya but why is it we have to be shit on by everyone
ionic fern
we don't get shit on?
brisk flax
like i am resigned to playing Arms man, my guild wont let me tank literally because of perception
and despite my logs being better than the other tanks
steel mauve
find a new guild
jagged pier
^^
brisk flax
They just say oh Warrior sucks and cant handle magic damage and then ask me to play arms
steel mauve
imo if a guild wont let you tank on a prot war i would dip so fast, it sounds like they really have no idea whats going on
brisk flax
Ya it might be time honestly
Even Blood Legion is using a Prot Warrior for all content
like HELLO
wake up people
steel mauve
if there was reason to it then ya talk it out, but just because "prot war sucks" is a really bad reason and they arent gonna be your best interest
brisk flax
Im sorry it just triggers me, i am tired of being the red headed step child of tanks all the time
steel mauve
we were sought after when 8.1 hit in bfa, due to azerite gear we could pump in keys and teams/pugs specifically sought prot wars
pretty much the whole way through bfa
brisk flax
i didnt play end of BFA, i did play beginning
steel mauve
weve been really strong for several expansions now, it just takes a bit of time to get it rolling
brisk flax
I know we do really well with stats compared to other tanks
i quit last expansion because of that same mentality more or less, maybe ill stick it out this time and see where it goes
Did we get an in depth trinket list up yet? For both mitigation and pumping out DPS in M+?
i know there has been one in expansions passed in here
steel mauve
honestly again most tank trinkets are garbage
we have lkike 1 good tank trinket from 5 mans and the other trinket is a dps one you need to loot spec dps to get
not sure why they always have issues at start of expacs with tank trinkets
open monolith
The response to "warriors can't handle magic damage" is
"Okay, please explain to me how the other tanks can."
steel mauve
also spell reflect is a god send, it lets you ignore a ton of shit this expansion so far
open monolith
And then reply with, "Okay, well we get ignore pain which lowesr the magic damage by 50%, and spell reflect which reflects an asinine amount of high damage magic things in the raid an m+"
then you call whoever said that a fucking moron
and you eat some popcorn
glossy stone
Anyone else feel like Warrior has 2x more buttons than other tanks?
open monolith
yes, because we do ๐ฎ
you know what would be a fucking NICE quality of life change?
"Shattering Throw now only has a cast time in BGs and Arenas"
pine locust
do you guys always run anger management when you have the wall legendary?
open monolith
it feels so god damn bad to have a cast time ability lol
pine locust
or is it worth it to use bolster?
open monolith
both bolster and heavy repercussions have their place in raiding while using the wall
pine locust
trying to see how much time on shield wall it saves
olive kettle
is it personal pref on legendary choice if im only doing m+?
open monolith
Nova if you are ONLY doing m+, i'd recommend thunderlord
but wall is still good for m+
olive kettle
ty, i only ever tank in m+
steady spruce
i'm going to the other side +5 and i'm torn between prot & arms lootspec, is the prot trinket very good?
open monolith
the Hakkar trinket
is fucking amazing
it's like, the best trinket we can get outside of the raid
and I believe that only drops for prot
The only dungeon you need to really worry about changing your loot spec to fury is Sanguine and Plaguefall
steady spruce
yeah but i main arms in raid
open monolith
okay, well then don't go prot loot spec
steady spruce
You'd run hakkar and ickus trinket as tank?
strong forum
im liking anime emitter tbh
defensively
im using the fucking normal version of it
nimble drift
like i am resigned to playing Arms man, my guild wont let me tank literally beca...
That's lame. I just tanked castle nathria with my guild. Other tank was a brewmaster. We were doing great all night and at the end someone was like, "surprised we even have a prot warrior because of how shit they are now. Barely ever see them"
Just gotta show them it's not the class it's the player
lavish oracle
refrain from homophobia, please
lavish oracle
No worries, thanks for fixing it!
tepid mason
Hella civil in here
hollow bolt
ok so ive been tanking some keys
tepid mason
I get to tank my first raid today
strong forum
WW is dead
tepid mason
F
hollow bolt
i know but hear me out, it smacks with arms, and u can wepon swap in m+
strong forum
less damage, costs more rage, doesnt reset shield slam, doesnt apply bleeds hits less targets than revenge
u cant weapon swap
strong forum
it also resets GCD and swing timer
hollow bolt
yeah damn
strong forum
u cant swap gear in m+ period
hollow bolt
memes dead on impact
tepid mason
Pretty hard to beat that
hollow bolt
iz ok right be4 i die in 7 and 8s i push ww as one last fuck u 2 blizzard, as a thanks for giving us this pooooowerfull rage dump
strong forum
i also tested if 2h execute does more dmg
hollow bolt
dosent i think
strong forum
it costs 2 globals to swap into 2h, and no it doesnt do more dmg
so you just lose 2 globals
tepid mason
Quick question, i was looking at top pwar on my region, and he runs storm bolt for m+. Good idea?
strong forum
storm bolt is omega good
hollow bolt
very!
tepid mason
Yea like i really enjoy it
nimble drift
I love stormbolt
strong forum
also, top war of region doesnt mean alot
tepid mason
Better than more charges
strong forum
i would be top 15 pwar world if i had every dungeon done on +10
so that doesnt say alot
tepid mason
More of a time investment thing
strong forum
yup, also not getting duplicate keys
tepid mason
Also ilvl 188 is plenty to do +10 keys yea?
quiet kettle
what talent setup are most of u running for m+? offensive or defensive
nimble drift
I still dont believe
tepid mason
Fucking up lol
nimble drift
You pugged 12a
nimble drift
Okay ya that's what I thought
strong forum
pugging = death
quiet kettle
ya, even doing 2-4 can be painful with pug healers
hollow bolt
healers generaly dont know what 2 do with u once shield block runs out, and i tend 2 get my ass ate vigoursly by mobs
so i end up burning all my defensives and dying while the healer sits with ps, wall, bark, or link and goes gg shite tank
you know week one of m+
T-t
hollow bolt
did a key with 2 druids and 2 shammies spent like no time tanking, that was fucking fun! trents, rock boi, solar beam, and more stars then hollywood
strong forum
yeah boomy is amazing
quiet kettle
also, what leggo are u guys generally running for m+? thunderlord or wall?
hollow bolt
Nothing
strong forum
thunderlord
tepid mason
Thunderlord
hollow bolt
dps main, saving all my cookies for rank 4 leggo after tuning, but i bet thunderlords gunna be omega powerfull
quiet kettle
ya same, dps main but moving to prot for pug m+ when guild is busy
hollow bolt
Hey the only warrior that has a shite ton of 15 keyed is runing ring (edit more then me so like 2)
maybe thats the way 2 go
still pagoda
dps main, saving all my cookies for rank 4 leggo after tuning, but i bet thunder...
it is already
hollow bolt
pika i think
still pagoda
and also outside of possible nerfs
hollow bolt
https://raider.io/characters/us/emerald-dream/Plka madlads using a 164 shield
still pagoda
i still have 155 shield
hollow bolt
Realy makes me wonder what the hell am i doing wrong
still pagoda
will try getting a better one tomorrow
hollow bolt
that im getting curb stomped
drifting sky
That guy isnโt pugging right
still pagoda
anyway i'm not raiding in the foreseeable future
still pagoda
That guy isnโt pugging right
like hell he isn't
hollow bolt
eh
formal river
i finally bit the bullet and got bolster instead of AM to get my +10. my damage is sad but bolster is OP
hollow bolt
god i want your haste karton
still pagoda
god i want your haste karton
i want more haste
hollow bolt
im probably gunna be happy with my 9
drifting sky
+3 ree...
formal river
im 180 ilvl
still pagoda
imma push towards +10 and see how it goes from there
hollow bolt
gl!
still pagoda
dunno if +15 is feasible with pugs or not
formal river
I ran it with some classic buddies. discord helps so much for cc
15 with pugs would be rougghghh atm
jumping on top of each others interrupts
spells hrut
a lot
magic sage
is there a pawn string i can import for tanking
still pagoda
is there a pawn string i can import for tanking
no
pawn is garbage in general
not just for tanks
magic sage
i know
drifting sky
oops forgot to switch to my 184 shield
still pagoda
do yall think my char is ready to try to pug higher than +3?
will be good even for +10
magic sage
but tryng to help a tank friend who cant sim
still pagoda
^
formal river
thats higher than me and I just hit 10 timer
drifting sky
this my first wow xpac
formal river
just run the m0 version of the key first
and then go in for your key
or even a heroic
get the layout
drifting sky
think its a just the tanking role in general i get nervous
but yeh i ran through all the m0 this week and just did a +3
formal river
just remember you're the manliest person there and the alpha
lead the way brother
we take hits for fun
nimble drift
Memorize the route by doing it once, then on a +3
drifting sky
was debating ravager/bolster vs UF/anger management
nimble drift
Then fuck it up on whatever key you want
hollow bolt
Dont worry bout messing up, iz how u learn!
drifting sky
feels alot safer with ravager/bolster
formal river
im a bolster convert. its so strong
drifting sky
defensive and threat wise
drifting sky
yeh gonna try my best to get good at prot warrior
dont wanna just quit and play vdk or pally
vdh*
formal river
I like being the meme tank. then when you have a clean as fuck key run everyone wows at you
hell i raided as a prot paladin through KT in classic
drifting sky
the threat buff next week to tanks is gonna be sweet
quiet kettle
prot pally and bear were both decent in raids in classic
quiet kettle
wall is more for raids
drifting sky
ah makes sense
quiet kettle
thunderlord is ur goto for m+
formal river
@quiet kettle I agree unless you are speedrunning. BoK spam was an awesome buff from pservers
spark mortar
Is everyone just gemming haste at the moment on all sockets?
formal river
I've mted everything including BWL drake taunt swaps
drifting sky
Iโm reading the forums why are so many people complaining about prot warrior
Plays fine to me tbh
formal river
Dont read forums
spark mortar
I see no problem with it either.
drifting sky
Magic damage hurts a bit tho
But to be expected supposed to be kicking and dispel those
formal river
Someone has to be on the bottom even if its 1%
People will conplain
This tier has a ton of bleeds and magic which we struggle at
quiet kettle
were not the bottom tank really. blood is probly on the bottom atm
quiet kettle
they just struggle on dmg intake more than the others atm
drifting sky
Saw that they were getting buffs right
formal river
That translates to leech
tardy parcel
Every healer I've spoken with who pugged with random paladin tanks have vented frustrations about how squishy they feel in keys - wondering if it's just poor play or something else
formal river
I'm casually leveling my BDK now
quiet kettle
pally is actually pretty squishy when there's defensive downtime
formal river
Pallies are squishies but BIG dmg