granted, a low key
#protection
novel temple
my overall for this 8 de otha side was 1.7l without thunderlords
no clue bub
i just feel so weak
and not like just new xpac weak
midnight burrow
novel temple
like i feel weaker than beginning of mop
and hell naw
im not going back to BC
i CCed all the time in BC and it for sure kept me behind the curve
amber eagle
mained guardian in bfa so dont have anything to compare to. definitely am enjoying this much more though. feel like i can always see some ways to improve
amber eagle
yeah my mistake, definitely ravager
steel mauve
roar was nerfed so its not taken, but ravager is used with or without thunderlord
amber eagle
U can spec them both with thunderlord?
booming voice should be mandatory though?
steel mauve
booming voice is pretty much taken any ways
undone jacinth
can still take roar though, mandatory is a strong word
if uve got a crit buff roar is gonna pump
fringe marten
So how are people dealing with the first boss in Necro Wake? a way to not have people take the vomit that spawns the grubs? (besides out ranging, if your class is capable?)
novel willow
aaaaa should I use the 200 ilvl ring because 200 ilvl or the haste rings because haste?
fringe marten
Blightbone..first boss in necro wake, his poison vomit that spawns the grubs isn't avoidable right? he locks and follows his target right?
fringe marten
So how are people dealing with it? just use a personal cd..and then root/cc adds..kill them at range so you don't get hit with their death burst..that's an awful dot
The grubs always apply the disease dot when they die right? So you have to kill them at range? or is it only if they get 3 melee hits off?
novel willow
this being the disease dot you're talking about? I haven't been paying attention most groups I'm in cleave them down very fast but I dont think there's any dot on people from them
fringe marten
Yes
but do they not do the explosion..IE the DoT, if they are killed before they melee 3 times?
novel willow
yeah they dont explode if they dont mellee x3
quaint turret
ravager over unstoppable force for M+ with thunderlord?
quaint turret
ty
static orbit
Peeps be stacking IP over Shield Block on Lady Inerva Darkvein? We are taunting at x2 stacks
sick sentinel
mythic dr ickus i'm not a fan of that fight
jumps around and then you have to stand close or he wipes the group...
novel temple
so i just tried to do a mists 8
i pretty much got globaled by soul split with block, ip and demo shout
though it was a druid healing if that means anything now
nocturne siren
You can spell reflect it.
novel temple
the harvester bolts ate my spell reflect
but my experience has been getting denied to 7/8 keys
pure sun
Whats the highest M+ y'all have been able to tank? I'm getting fucked at anything above 7, primarily from every hit doing a third of my health but also dps just being pepega
mild river
I got a 203 trinket: Bladedancer's Armor Kit. Is that shit really bad or am i wrong?
undone sun
mild river
ok thanks
pure sun
lmao
mild river
Whats the highest M+ y'all have been able to tank? I'm getting fucked at anythin...
A 11. I tried a 12 and got destroyed in every single pack.
simple mural
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XdPKNTqyCD7J94Zx/#fight=1
This was a Plaguefall +6 I did. Wasn't to bad.
pure sun
@mild river On time...?
solar crown
Peeps be stacking IP over Shield Block on Lady Inerva Darkvein? We are taunting ...
You can spell reflect the dot, so you can avoid getting 2 stacks with a littele rng.
mild river
They were doing 5k overall
solar crown
But yes, nothing is blockable so i prio ignore pain over sb om lady. But thats just me
sharp orbit
Whats the highest M+ y'all have been able to tank? I'm getting fucked at anythin...
i tanked 9 and it went well, only dps fucked last and we missed the timer cus we wiped like 10 times.
highest i could do was 11
as tank
I got IK like 5 times but thise probably my mistakes more than anythung else.
Also i tried a 10 spires and i fucking hate it.
Probably the worst dungeon for warriors in my opinion
tawny fossil
Does anyone have a recommendation for me on trinkets. I have a mythic blood spattered which I use baseline, and I also got a 194 slimy consumptive organ I've been playing with. I also have mythic anima field emitter and pulsating stoneheart
sharp orbit
I use bwomnshwamdi cube. I found it to be the most universal.
real canyon
am i hallucinating or aare we having threat problem in m+
sharp orbit
lmao
real canyon
or am i just bad
sharp orbit
you mean mages being the real tanks now?
tawny fossil
I've been experiencing that as well. I usually have to watch my rogues and mages
sharp orbit
I do 3k on st and some mages still manage to steal my aggro. :D
They are buffing threat gen for tanks next reset
real canyon
does anybody else think its a little silly that charge doesnt generate enough rage to shield block
fallow mortar
.... no?
tawny fossil
thats why you space jam slam
versed bough
Guys Im kinda having a hard time deciding talents for m+
Into the fray + devastate seems good right?
cuz more haste more auto attacks more chances of sshield slam?
or Crackling thunder + devastate is betteR?
solar crown
Ravager >
mighty oriole
Threat gen is horrible right now in M+. I hope that 10% buff next week makes all the difference. I also feel like I'm getting rocked harder than usual in M+ on certain packs and it's just so unfun
I def prefer Ravager with our threat issues RN
mighty oriole
Fuck no dude, I've mained Prot Warr for 13+ years and this is struggle bus
Super strong in raids though, soooo there's that I guess? lol
tacit smelt
Dude its heart wrenching my raid forces me to go arms for raid, so i'm cov locked to venythr and my dungeon performance as tank took a bat to the knees
versed bough
when I charge Should go after Shield block or ignore pain?
tacit smelt
charge-block
mighty oriole
Charge --> Demo Shout --> Covenant Ability --> Ravager --> Shield Slam --> TC
Shield block rotate into that immediately
Then fill with IP
IP is now your filler
solar crown
I feel the other way around. In raids i feel like paper but in m+ i feel allright
mighty oriole
What's your iLevel and what are you pushing? I had to go look at forums in case I was imaging something and thought my rotation was off or something changed and it seems to be the general consensus that we're not holding threat well enough + we're dipping too hard in some instances
This is the worst Prot Warr has felt to me since I started playing it
Like I am legitimately not wanting to push keys because I feel like a nuisance lol
errant dagger
Ehm have you checked latest patch notes ?
mighty oriole
I saw the 10% threat increase
mighty oriole
Should help, but still doesn't help getting dipped in weird situations
versed bough
IP is now your filler
Sorry kinda new whats IP?
mighty oriole
Ignore Pain
versed bough
Shouldnt I keep shield block on CD?
errant dagger
Kreep not always your fault maybe your healer ?
mighty oriole
SB up as much as possible, but it has a CD so you'll need to fill in between with Ignore Pain
I've tried several different healers. Shammies def feel the best for sure, but they're also insanely OP haha. If I don't have a Shammy I basically don't want to run any high keys 😛
errant dagger
Hmm 🤔
mighty oriole
Oh well, I'm just happy we're getting that 10% threat increase. It absolutely will be lovely to have.
tight brook
Since i playing Arms i havent touched prot yet how are we are doing in like 10s to farm them? Are we that weak?
tame lotus
prot is fine, just spend rage on ip not all on dmg
mighty oriole
Good luck. Have a good healer and good DPS, make sure everyone knows fights and interrupts.
civic rover
Prideful is nuts lmao
real canyon
how do you charge shield block
sharp orbit
fast fingers on be a belf
sick sentinel
was able to complete mythic sanguine depts 2nd boss destroyed group
snow tiger
how fucked up I am as I've picked Venthyr for my covenant?
sweet summit
your covenant wont make or break anything. i think youll be very fine
jagged pier
no very just dont use condemn in aoe
snow tiger
nope, i use WW on aoe :)))
jk
on average, how much Kyrian is above of Venthyr over course of dungeon?
snow tiger
oww, I might have to reroll then
sharp orbit
on average, how much Kyrian is above of Venthyr over course of dungeon?
they are not
sharp orbit
pretty much equal, kyrian better for high deffo
but then even with spear we are not mages or rogues
so no worries we still dont get to do highest keys 😄
lavish oracle
It's quite a bit better even if you overlook the damage difference, like you generate rage instead of spending it, it's got great utility for kiting, Phial is just so strong
sweet summit
kyrian is definitely better than venthyr overall
lavish oracle
1 minute CD is also just about perfect for M+
snow tiger
thing is I time to time get to/have to arms
lavish oracle
isn't spear like 2nd best for arms anyways?
lavish oracle
Ah
snow tiger
maybe the transmogs will do the difference
sweet summit
venthyr mog is sick
snow tiger
aye
jagged pier
its just not im sorry, rage gen > rage spender espicealy in execute phase of bosses where you mostly want to be more defensive. and also potion, potion is just stupid strong
sick sentinel
Above 80 below 20 and I think something price to make it useable whenever
Only covenants I never really tried was night fae and maldraxus
20% crit is a lot legit dunno 2nd ability
I loved to play prot warrior in last expansions since wotlk, but now I have this feeling that prot pala in absolut every aspect is superrior. Apart from the aesthetics, why should I play a warrior?
jagged pier
its really shit crit isnt good for us really and its a 3 min cd or like 2:20 with conduit. plus its a ground affect so you have to stand in it which is unlikely you beable to stand in it the whole time
jagged pier
if you want to play prot youll play it
sick sentinel
Yup
I'll never stop playing prot warrior I like how it looks and plays
Critical block lol
sharp orbit
Tanked heroic hound
venthyr is by far the bis there
80% of the fight you only need to press condemn
and you jsut dont die
te defensive of that crap is just broken
sick sentinel
I really enjoy Syrian but I have shit aim with it and ravager
sharp orbit
You do 2 avatars in one BL
jagged pier
wow you found condemn good on a ST fight where its actually okay to use
sharp orbit
Well ofc
sick sentinel
I don't give a fuck about no paladin wieners lol
sick sentinel
Play prot warrior because it's enjoyable for me
sweet summit
ah yes 3 seconds of reck
sick sentinel
How far in highest do I need to be to unlock legendaries
I broke 1 chain in the guy
sharp orbit
Honestly its fun as fuck
but I wouldnt recommend it
to anyone
but its fun
and viable
jagged pier
Im glad you found condemn good on 5 of the fights but your not gunna convince me its better than spear and potion
sharp orbit
and thats what matter s isnt in? 😄
sick sentinel
I have a feeling that the best covenant will change a lot through out expansion based on spec
sharp orbit
Im glad you found condemn good on 5 of the fights but your not gunna convince me...
No I am not gonna say that
because I agree that kyrian is better
but I also think its overkill and joykiller to consider it "must pick"
as many people claim
I also think that if I will ever try to progress 20+ keys I will probably also have to switch or just skip fortified weeks.
sick sentinel
I think too much meta play in wow in general but it's a fun game regardless
There are million ways you could play and nobody does .... same spec and talents and trinkets and legendary
prisma gorge
Hello my fellow sexy protectors, what WA you use for interrupts? I am looking for one in particular that shows party available cds for interrupt.
solar crown
Just because you can doesnt mean you should. I agree that you should play what you like, but some things are just to good to ignore. Not saying spear&vial is a must-have, but if you want to push yourself to play optimally you kinda need the optimal tools to do it.
That being said the spec/cov is just a part of what makes a good player, and knowing how to benefit from your strengths (whatever they are) is much much more important
And lets be honest and say for most of us the covenant abilities are not that important as we dont push world first and/or really need the extra % for the stuff we are doing
solar crown
Hello my fellow sexy protectors, what WA you use for interrupts? I am looking fo...
Zentracker i guess?
sweet summit
@prisma gorge https://wago.io/InterruptTracker/29
solar crown
It shows party interrupts at least
prisma gorge
<@!265841001380315136> <https://wago.io/InterruptTracker/29>
Thanks i think thats the on i was looking for
sharp orbit
But covenant flamewars aside 😄
I have a serious question also
lvl 40 row
what do you guys pick and why?
sweet summit
indomitable, because its the best talent on that row
sharp orbit
I think so too but then thers never surrender.
sweet summit
dont start with NS...
solar crown
Indom is just insanely strong. Only talent i havent tried anything else on the row
sweet summit
its dogshit
solar crown
Look at the logs of some warriors , indom heals a massive amount
sharp orbit
can you provide me with the theorycraft why wxactly its dogshit?
solar crown
Guess he means dogshit compared to indom
sharp orbit
I couldnt find anything on that topic
and to me it looks superrior for pushing high keys rn but I rly dk
mighty smelt
First Venthyr now Never Surrender - Night Fae Gang rise up
solar crown
But IP is not that good anymore, at least its not as good as it used to be
sharp orbit
First Venthyr now Never Surrender - Night Fae Gang rise up
lmao
sweet summit
the problem with NS is that 50% is still 50%. you dont get the full benefit of it unless youre basically dead already
ignore pain is not a huge part of our mitigation, even in legion when IP was a 90% absorb it was still dogshit
indomitable provides a lot of EHP in terms of +10%max HP and some nice passive healing
sharp orbit
Yes makes sense
thanks
I was thinking something about those lines after I checked logs but I just wanted to make sure
solar crown
Wish IP was stronger. It feels like pumping rage into it is a waste of time without indom to back it up
I triee ItF yesterday. Even with 6% extra haste ravager is to good
sharp orbit
I tried it too in some 9s
without the ravager the aggro issue became rly an ISSUE lol
solar crown
I tried it in raids, and the rage/damage from ravager is just bonkers
Demo shout + ravager lines up so nicely for taunt-swap, so itf just didnt feel good
sharp orbit
Well I am gonna say something controversial once again
but after that I replaced boom with dragon
with ItF
and honestly I think I am gonna stick with that lol
austere sleet
anyone got a weakaura that tracks shield block and ignore pain?
sharp orbit
I can share you mine if you wanna try give it a go
austere sleet
that'd be awesome
solar crown
Why DR? 40rage + 20% damage increase >>
sharp orbit
Because I am a meme
And smh I ended up with so much crit in my gear
every second cast hits for 10k
ST
solar crown
My experience i that not many stay close enough for me to benefit from ItF.. at least not in dungeons
solar crown
True
Need to test it some more. Takes a while to get used to not having ravager up as well
Guess ive been spoiling myself with all this rage
Hm, on warcraftlogs, do rank% only account for your dps? Or is it also including sb uptime, mitigation etc
sweet summit
only damage done
solar crown
Ahaa, thanks :)
What do you guys do between actively tanking? Ive been pooling rage and spending it om ignore pain before capping, to make sure its maxed when we swap. Then i have max IP and enough rage to sb + use a couple of devestate before popping demo/avatar etc
Im not sure if its the correct play, as i end up around rank% 31, so i must be doing a lot less dps then everyone else
sweet summit
pump damage 📈
solar crown
Kk, so just have enough for sb, and fuck ip?
feral thorn
spam revenge like a mongoloid
shy creek
So why is bladedancers armor kit trash, andd why is that the only trinket I get
solar crown
Or just fuck everything, taunt + demo + sb?
sweet summit
because the armor is not noticable and the damage it does is to laugh at, and youre cursed 👀
shy creek
=[
sweet summit
it depends tbh
you wanna find a good balance
some bosses you can probably get away with barely using IP compared to other bosses
fallow mortar
oh, when is a good time to shield wall? Are there certain packs you know that you are going to be using shield wall when going into it?
sweet summit
to fill sb downtime
fallow mortar
so after you use last stand and the three sb's after that?
sweet summit
or to compliment SB in a big pull/healy hitting pull
fallow mortar
okay.... cause those snakes in spire of ascension really fucking hurt. That DoT is murder
sharp orbit
you know the birds in ardenweald
fallow mortar
and before you ask, I am venthyr XD
sweet summit
reflect it 👀
sharp orbit
those fuckers
fallow mortar
I can only reflect one of them
sharp orbit
in tos
fallow mortar
there are 4 more
sharp orbit
dos
sweet summit
stun them to sync the casts
fallow mortar
I do that too
fallow mortar
I have those as well and I am still screaming bloody murder... well we all are XD
I may just have to shield wall after we all kicked
muted pendant
I really feel bad that my port pal cotank grabs Aggro from me so easy in raid 🧐
muted pendant
<@!265841001380315136> <https://wago.io/InterruptTracker/29>
Do I need an additional addon for that? Apart from weak auras
muted pendant
Is this what having good DPS is like
🪓
sweet summit
i dont think you do for just the weak aura
rough needle
does simcraft account for the internal cd of two on use trinkets?
sweet summit
yes
rough needle
thanks @sweet summit
solar crown
I really feel bad that my port pal cotank grabs Aggro from me so easy in raid 🧐
I had the opposite problem.. when i went ham my pala cotank couldnt keep up.. hence why i changed my playstyle (question asked earlier)
jaunty vector
what slots the jam for the thunderclap legendary?
muted pendant
I had the opposite problem.. when i went ham my pala cotank couldnt keep up.. he...
It’s not the issue when I’ve ravaged, demo, Ava and spear up but outside of that it is
nimble drift
was doing a +8 sanguine depths, 188 ilvl, just felt like i was paper
shit was horrible
heavy sail
I think Gloves are better @jaunty vector
That’s what I’ve heard anyway
Probably doesn’t matter much ultimately
I just had that drop for me this morning after like 15 straight runs.
jaunty vector
Aight thanks guys
nimble drift
Anyone else hit any high keys? What ilvl should I be at? Doing a +8 was hard as fuck
heavy sail
I’ve done a couple
heavy sail
I think anything at like 175+ is doable up to around +8/+10 o
More is better obviously
My threat generation just turned to shit with higher keys though
And I can’t progress anymore because I get absolutely tossed by magic damage
I would actually amend that to say, I eventually do catch up on threat, but the window during which I lose it at higher keys is such that my DPS will die in the small window
Like using both revenge and thunderclap immediately isn’t enough
civic obsidian
do you think its worth switching my covenant from necrolord or should i just stay it for now sense we are couple of weeks in already? been wondering if i should or not
heavy sail
Totally up to you.
nimble drift
Maybe I'm just bad @ionic fern did you pug it or did you have a crew?
ionic fern
I pug'ed it.
ionic fern
There's a BIG difference from Pug to pug.
nimble drift
SB off CD and fill with ignore pain. I'm running bolster
ionic fern
It all comes down to how much the DPS interrupt.
burnt torrent
+7 de other side was pretty rough
heavy sail
Tbh my strategy at higher keys has been to just kite everything outside of cool downs
ionic fern
If you're lucky and get a decent set of people you are golden.
burnt torrent
I did solo tank like 20 or 22 stacks on hungering destroyer on heroic though
ionic fern
Otherwise you are kinda messed.
heavy sail
Did you time the +8 or no
nimble drift
Na
ionic fern
Stats don't matter.
austere sleet
is it just me or do prot warrior conduits suck
heavy sail
Not just you
ionic fern
It's probably your own play or your healer/dps incompetence.
heavy sail
They definitely suck
nimble drift
God damnit man I just wanna know what to fix lol
heavy sail
It’s hard to say that though unless we were like literally watching.
nimble drift
Any suggestion for weakauras?
Do yall got any recordings?
Would be nice to see some other prot warriors and see how they play
heavy sail
I don’t unfortunately.
I’m probably not that great overall though.
I don’t even know any streamers or content creators that play prot rn
gritty bough
unstoppable force + anger management or Ravager + bolster if I have thunderlord?
sweet summit
both are good
austere sleet
think it's personal preference
sweet summit
bolster if you need higher SB uptime
jaunty vector
is there a way to sort raider io key listings by class?
ionic fern
Like you only want one specific class?
heavy sail
Yeah probably
40%~ uptime on shout is probably better in a M+ context
Wall arguably better for raids
I think they’re pretty equal overall though
ionic fern
Wall IS better for raids, no arguments there.
lunar perch
Nice! Glad I don't have to use Unstoppable Force to make Thunderlord viable.
heavy sail
I haven’t tanked Nathria yet 
ionic fern
Same.
austere cave
is it worth it to run Never Surrender over Indomitable? It seems I can get a lot out of Never Surrender in the current state
lunar perch
Yeah
Each elite has a different buff
Whichever you kill first passes on their buff to the other two
nimble drift
so whats the bis order?
austere cave
I went left right then center, center or right second does matter less I think
glossy island
How to do last trash on sanguine depths i mean this what we going with boss
on high keystons
median badge
you mean the gauntlet or before
glossy island
yea the gauntlet
sharp orbit
You can pull the boss on to the previous boss room balcony
and deal with him alone
worked for me a few times. Dont know if bug or intended but hey it worked
after that the bears stop running and you jsut deal with easy trash
astral crystal
and deal with him alone
Wait so kaal just doesn’t run away if you pull her in there?
sharp orbit
Didnt happen for me once
Ive been it like this 5 times
first time it was an accident
after that we did it on purpose and it worked everytime
restive flax
The bears in that gauntlet dont do anything tho do they? I like them for victory rush 😄
but uh... I still gotta try that lol
fair crystal
reckon the Emitter is worth using over my other two ?
jagged pier
well that darkmoon deck is dogshit so yes
fair crystal
yeah that's the think I don't like about it.
I don't mind DMC card tbh but yeah its not very good
ill play around with the emitter chur chur
ebon jasper
blood-spattered scale would be way better than the DMC for emergency button no?
fair crystal
yeah actually
gloomy sundial
is it worth it to run Never Surrender over Indomitable? It seems I can get a lot...
Might be worth in like DOS due to all the magic damage there, I've been fine tanking 10s with Indomitable tho.
ebon jasper
I think think the general gist is you never touch the other two in that row
indomitable is just betteR?
gloomy sundial
Yeah it is, it's very very situational.
I'd only consider running Never Surrender in De Other Side
ionic fern
What
ebon jasper
naw
ionic fern
WHy would you consider running Never Surrender?
gloomy sundial
More IP for all the magic damage that quite literally almost one-shots you in higher DOS keys
haughty meteor
IP feels like a last ditch effort to stay alive when nothing else is up.
gloomy sundial
Never tried it tho, could see it being ok. Shield block doesn't block magic damage and DOS is like 90% magic damage and I hate it.
How about this @ionic fern if I get another +10 DOS key I'll be a madlad and test it out to see how much worse it is
ebon jasper
you're almost never being hit by only magic though?
gloomy sundial
What level key was that?
ionic fern
Ugh, something low like 5 or 6 iirc.
placid oar
Mwhai sir, can u kindly advise how I can read logs to know if I’m doing my rotations well as a new prot warrior in raids?
I was looking at mitigation and HPS against other warriors
ionic fern
Most of the magic damage is avoidable or interruptable.
placid oar
But I think I’m wrong
ionic fern
@placid oar i can dio it soon, in a dungeon
placid oar
Thank u sir, pls take ur time
jagged pier
Mwahi doing keys 
gloomy sundial
I'll check out what my damage is next DOS +10 run I do, I remember getting destroyed on packs with high magic damage tho.
pine locust
hey once you get the wall legendary do you guys always play with anger management or is bolster more worth it?
sweet summit
yet
open monolith
Kinda surprised we went untouched
But also fine with it
Those blood buffs though
Resto shaman nerfs have me sad
sweet summit
thats actually giga clean wtf
open monolith
Wow. That's a beautiful accomplishment
sick sentinel
You have transcended this game
open monolith
That's like filling up the tank for exactly $25.00
rigid kettle
sweet kayak
Best engineering enchant for tanking? 😛
gaunt tide
What are your thoughts on Warr right now? m+ and raiding?
strong forum
yes
sweet summit
every tank is viable 🤔
gaunt tide
Yeah kinda
But is the damage mitigation and self healing enough to support bad healers?
haughty meteor
What self healing? 😆
gaunt tide
Just asking because of raiding yesterday was kinda weird
native coyote
if your group is bad a good tank won't change your chances of success (much)
pale pelican
I was tanking some 2-3 range keys last night and I was struggling hardcore to keep aggro from the unholy DK. He was way over geared, but I don’t remember struggling like this in the past, any tips?
Commanding shout has a 4 minute cool down and thunderclap just wasn’t keeping them on me
open monolith
a DPS with significantly more gear than you who can't keep his dick in his pants for a couple of seconds for you to Revenge and tclap may briefly take your aggro.
There isn't much you can do about that short of saying "Please, gigantic pp unholy DK, keep your gigantic pp in your pants for a few moments after pull".
gone are the days of simply targeting 1 priority mob and AOEing the rest for threat. You should be tab targeting and spreading your shield slams around (or just permanently group with hunters / rogues for misdirect)
alpine cave
Any thoughts on indelible victory conduit?
errant dagger
Holy fuck Grats
frosty scarab
Gz! Looks amazing👍
jagged pier
is viscera any good?
haughty meteor
Godfuckingdamnthatsnice.jpg
violet tundra
is viscera any good?
Its decent enough, nowhere near as good as the hakkar trinket above though
mighty oriole
Can confirm, Scale trinket is doooooope
jagged pier
yer well im not lucky enough to have gotten a scale on any difficulty
open monolith
well you can spam heroic dos for a 171
haughty meteor
Big hope for vault payout
native coyote
Hakkar rng says no 😦
open monolith
I'll be getting a +10 choice at the vault
with my luck it's going to be fucking armor kit trinket
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
haughty meteor
Whos the go-to guy for watching streams for tips & tricks playing prot? Any grandmasters out there I can watch?
strong forum
sense
jagged pier
nomeratur as well i hear is pretty good
strong forum
😳
mild river
Hunters having no lust. Is that a new thing? I've met 2 in m+
jagged pier
its bms with a pet
lusty quail
ferocity pets have lust, any hunter can do it
sullen flame
lusty quail
b-b-but muh lone wolf 
lusty quail
too fivehead for a hunter
open monolith
mm has lust
sv has lust
that's not just a bm thing
and yes you can Mwahi, however it would be a DPS loss to dismiss the pet at that point since lone wolf takes a long time to stack up
craggy harness
is that a personal dps loss, or actually a group dps loss too?
open monolith
personal for the hunter
they should just keep their pet out if they are going to lust
on single target, lone wolf vs pet out = basically exactly the same dps
on multi target, lone wolf starts pulling ahead significantly
open monolith
oh 100% for sure. If you aren't getting lust while having a hunter in your group, the hunter is bad
static stream
What woul you guys say prot's stat priority should be, and also how do you guys feel about hte into the fray talent?
open monolith
most people in this discord strongly prefer Ravager to Into the Fray
mighty oriole
iLevel rules everything around me 😎
mighty oriole
I prefer Ravager because of where our crap ass threat is ATM
open monolith
our threat is fine
mighty oriole
Fffff that's why they're buffing 10% threat increase on Tues for all tanks right?
open monolith
I have literally 0 issues with threat in any dungeon
mighty oriole
Never had a problem in the 13 years I've been a Prot Warr
ionic fern
Threat is indeed not a issue. 👀
mighty oriole
Gotta disagree
subtle kestrel
Are you taunting even when you don’t ‘need’ to?
mighty oriole
Nope
static stream
would you switch to itf after reset day then?
open monolith
I'm sorry that you personally can't hold aggro.
static stream
@mighty oriole
haughty meteor
Hunters having no lust. Is that a new thing? I've met 2 in m+
@Guluuron#9574
MM can summon a pet and pop lust and dismiss. It takes a while for lonewolf(no pet dmg buff) to stack up. So a personal dps loss for MM to BL. They can if they want to though.
mighty oriole
I guess that depends on how it feels, Si
open monolith
As I Said biqbox, a good hunter won't dismiss the pet after lusting, because single target pet vs lone wolf is nearly identical dps
mighty oriole
I save taunt for stragglers
placid oar
Hi guys, can I ask if I should post logs here or in the logs channel to have comments on how to improve my tanking? I’m new to raid tanking and trying to improve here
I dunno how to read logs for tanks so I’m not sure how to compare with other tanks on Warcraft logs
placid oar
Okay sir
Thank u I will post here and try
For your kind comments fellow warriors
Looking forward to your feedback
haughty meteor
As I Said biqbox, a good hunter won't dismiss the pet after lusting, because single target pet vs lone wolf is nearly identical dps
@open monolith yeah, I got lagged (on my phone). My answer was pending for a good while. So it got answered before it went up 😅
placid oar
I am trying to get more practice in M+ as well and trying to survive better with my rotations
static stream
indominatable>never surrender?
mighty oriole
What are you trying to do, M+ or raid?
static stream
M+
mighty oriole
Indom
jagged pier
indom in all situations
mighty oriole
In both cases
open monolith
Never Surrender is actually called Never Pick This Talent
mighty oriole
For M+, I roll Dev > Storm Bolt > Booming > Crackling > Indom > Rav > Bolster
open monolith
^ that is the good build
mighty oriole
Some higher key pushers prefer Unstoppable, it's preferance
jagged pier
thats wrong
open monolith
Sense is using ITF because he's a fucking mad man
ionic fern
I am trying to get more practice in M+ as well and trying to survive better with...
Why do you think you're doing anything wrong in the first place?
Your hp looks more or less steady,you're not wasting any rage, your DPS is fine as well.
Your talents are what they are supposed to be,you're using your CD's (offensive&defensive).
static stream
well isnt itf usually always capped in most pulls if you have melee dps?
open monolith
Sure, but Ravager P U M P S
I get it, ITF = haste = SB up time
but like.. does it even take more than 1 second off the CD?
is that even more valuable then the dps / rage of ravager?
idk
I use ITF in raid and it feels k
idk if I woudl like it in m+
placid oar
Why do you think you're doing anything wrong in the first place?
Your hp looks m...
Ah I see, thank you Mwahi. I felt like I am squishy at times and kept thinking I may be using smth wrongly or out of place
placid oar
It is really comforting to have assurance from you. I will keep practicing
open monolith
because we're all undergeared and everything hurts
placid oar
Yes Sock?
ionic fern
Nothing here out of the ordinary too much. Raids are supposed to have spiked damage etc.
placid oar
Ah I see
mighty oriole
Truuuue
Just don't judge anything TOO harshly right now, we'll see what everything pans out to later when we're all geared 😛
placid oar
Oh wow thank u!
mighty oriole
A lot of people swapping around different classes (not just from Warr) cause of how it feels, but we're not even close to our PEAK
Give it time, practice some
placid oar
I am sticking to warrior and trying to make it work
mighty oriole
Warr is never a wrong choice my friend
placid oar
I always love warrior 😄
Thanks again guys, hope everyone have a good day and stay safe!
Have fun too, I’ll keep reading this disc and learn from everyone
open monolith
okay so ITF on average gives about 1 second off of SB cooldown
I don't see that outweighing the value of ravager in m+
static stream
but haste also increased rage regeneration right?
open monolith
yes, it scales nicely with devastator as well
static stream
also ravager has a pretty decently high downtime
mighty oriole
Does anyone run with ITF for M+? o_O
ionic fern
Some people do.
mighty oriole
Wtf lol
ionic fern
Even i do it from time to time. 👀
mighty oriole
Well I guess situational I can see
open monolith
Sense does
mighty oriole
Ravager is just. . .I need it
open monolith
he was doing some big dick keys yesterday
mighty oriole
When I don't have Rav I miss it
untold siren
Hello guys
I'm trying to decide which legendary to craft (got about 2700 soul ash ATM)
I'm doing both m+ & raiding
So: THE WALL vs THUNDERLORD
mighty oriole
Thunderlord for M+, Wall for raid is the general consensus I see
I built Thunderlord first, I do have Wall but haven't built it yet
open monolith
The wall is better for m+ than TL is for raids
untold siren
Is it worth getting both of them RANK 1, or should I just decide for 1 of them and get it RANK 2
open monolith
I mean, you'll have both rank 4 eventually 🙂
untold siren
yeah IDD
mighty oriole
You'll have to build a gajillion legendaries anyways so
open monolith
what is your primary focus
mighty oriole
Build em both up
open monolith
raid or m+
untold siren
I think that the endgoal is raiding, but I'm spending much much more time on M+
open monolith
I'd probably build TL in your situation then
since you will eventually have both anyway
untold siren
Yeah TW seems like a better all-rounder
round oasis
Is there any reason to prefer the "indomitable" deck over Voracity? Even for tanking "stealing" Haste every 1:30 seems better than blocking some damage ever 3 mins
static stream
TW and TL are trash, its all about Leaper
round oasis
Does that haste stealing work on bosses?
static stream
no clue
untold siren
@static stream I don't get what you mean
steady fiber
legendary for prot in m+ same or something new?
open monolith
@round oasis The tanking darkmoon deck is dogshit
round oasis
ok
open monolith
Voracity is good
static stream
i was joking lol leaper is a legendary that just lets you jump more
untold siren
i was joking lol leaper is a legendary that just lets you jump more
Oh and I was like WTF 😛
mild river
Man i want leaper so much. Just to jump all day long
untold siren
@ionic fern I had that and the x10000 extra dmg on Shattering Throw, one-shotting the endboss in Torghast lul
ionic fern
Jeah, that one is stupid strong
open monolith
but did you ALSO have the one that increases damage by 400% after charge?
leap -> charge -> shattering throw
2.5 million damage
gg
static stream
what about pvp
open monolith
yeah bottled enigma is nice
especially on the forge level where there are 9000 casters
I'm glad they nerfed Coldheart interstitia
that shit took so god damned long
mild river
i think for flag carries?
static stream
isnt warpath a pvp talent for all specs?
sick sentinel
are there any good video guides or written guides about how to do the myth dung, what to take, why ... (you can tag me if you do have some)
mild river
Prot PoV? i don't know any yet
still pagoda
are there any good video guides or written guides about how to do the myth dung,...
made by one of the main writers of wowhead BDK guide
but it is more so for overall overview of mechanics
mild river
Guys, why DH is the new meta? Just bc of dps? Or they are less spiky?
astral crystal
they're definitely very spiky, being demons and all
right now their dmg is pretty borked due to sigil
and they are pretty durable, yeah
not sigil, sorry, their kyrian ability
i forget the name
elysian decree
also super mobile so they do well in higher keys
haughty meteor
This Sense guy on twitch? Whats his channel called?
astral crystal
snse
sharp orbit
talking about sense
sick sentinel
Just do a ton and see which packs will destroy you (Hint: Most of them)
people keep leaving & blaming me ..
open monolith
https://www.twitch.tv/nomeratur here is a damn fine prot stream
warning: the voice chat of his group is..... interesting to listen to
still pagoda
warning: the voice chat of his group is..... interesting to listen to
just like any chat between friends
so why not
enjoy it
woven radish
@sick sentinel also check out lightee from complexity limit. Dude had a steam last night straight up MURDERING high keys as prot warrior.
open monolith
murdering keys is easy when you have a group of competent DPS and healers
still pagoda
and when you're competent yourself
lucid holly
Im tempted to Try Seismic Reverberation with Best Servered Cold for M+, thoughts?
lucid holly
playing ravager/kyrian I dont really have rage issues
ionic fern
You will have. 🙂
Once you start spamming Revenge all your Rage just flies out the window. 😂
open monolith
Not having rage issues is a thing when you're doing low keys and easy content
lucid holly
hmm
ionic fern
Try it tho. 🤷
open monolith
yeah lol
lucid holly
well with thunderlord booming dont you have to?
lucid holly
interesting
stable flower
How is prot war compared to Prot pally. Maimed pally last two expansions thinking of maiming warrior this time
lucid holly
My prot pally does way more single target burst damage
but survival seems reliant on wog
open monolith
prot pally is overtuned in terms of damage.
honestly shocked that neither VDH or prot pally have been touched (yet) in the tuning update
we can ignore the bomb mechanics entirely on Dealer Xy'exa on DoS with reflect?
civic rover
bro u can ignore half the game with reflect
severe swallow
Dude prot feels so dogshit for m+
stable flower
I have the shield reset Leto on pally and some times it hilarious to get like 8 resets but when it’s famine it feels really bad with such low haste. Had the same problem in BFA and didn’t really make game play better till about 20% haste
civic rover
Dude prot feels so dogshit for m+
i mean all we can say is l2p
severe swallow
Im top 50 prot world?
stable flower
Ancient aftershock is probably my favorite ability though. Tied with Prot pally divine till
Toll
AA looks so fucking cool
lucid holly
Prot feels squishy but i think the playstyle is more than fine
open monolith
lol prot feels great for m+
civic rover
if you're top 50 prot world and you haven't been able to adjust to the new playstyle idk what to say pal
steel mauve
prot only feels bad if you dont play it well
strong forum
being lowilvl
open monolith
that was aggressive.
open monolith
pug
open monolith
exclusively pug
steel mauve
ive had hit or miss pugs
stable flower
I mean Prot pally, I don’t think, feels any more solid than warrior. Just has some way to emergency save itself. You still get cucked randomly if too much magic is cast at you and no one interrupts
steel mauve
had one questioning my ability, until i checked the hps and i was keeping up with the healer in hps who was apparently getting used to a new mouse keybinds, and ive had a great druid that i felt great with
sick sentinel
I need to look up how to do De other Side mythic today
civic rover
prot pally has less mitigation and in turn more self heals
sick sentinel
couldn't even completed it on a heroic lfg :S
still pagoda
prot pally has less mitigation and in turn more self heals
doesn't really help as you're torn between getting oneshot from an unmitigated hit or giving your life at a mercy of your healer. Well, prot pala requires a lot of attention from the healer anyway
civic rover
de other side be like
we heard tanks were weak to magic damage, so we gave you full caster packs
civic rover
blood dk feels "better" against magic damage because they have self heals but they have self heals because their mitigation is poopy
still pagoda
since @steep bone disappeared somewhere so i guess i'm out of group options for the week]
open monolith
that's a very difficult thing to measure
strong forum
hard to give an outright answer
open monolith
wall is good for m+, TL is just better in most regards
still pagoda
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empty nexus
wut covenant for prot/arms is better ?
still pagoda
some de other side stuff i was thinking of today
open monolith
venthyr is more damage for arms, kyrian is better for prot SIGNIFICANTLY than venthyr
empty nexus
how about NF
sick sentinel
TW is 25% damage reduction for all 4 other players of the group correct? does it also put another SW buff on u?
open monolith
NF is... fine
sick sentinel
i feel like TW could be vital in something key weeks
open monolith
TW = The Wall?
sick sentinel
y
open monolith
If so, no, that is not what the wall does
sick sentinel
TW is extends SW to party for 25% correct?
open monolith
wall = 5 extra rage on shield slam + shield wall cooldown reduction when using shield slam
no, you are not correct
sick sentinel
oh
ah, unbreakable
yeh, so 1/2 of 50% dmg red is 25%, so whole party should get 25% red for 8 seconds
I'm wondering if if puts 50% then at 25% one on u, and then u have 75% red for 8 seconds, could be real nice
sick sentinel
1/4 dmg red for whole party 8s is really nice regardless
steel mauve
it does exactly what it says it does in the tooltip
still doesnt compete with self improving lego's
sick sentinel
so, all legos don't have upgrading path?
open monolith
that's not what he meant by self improving 😐
brother, you gotta put down the pipe.
and focus.
self improving, in that context, meant a legendary that specifically helps YOU
still pagoda
@open monolith first dungeon. Healer leaves after not doing anything on a first pack and letting whole group die. Typical pug shit
open monolith
that is not typical pug shit
sick sentinel
i most likely want to go TL or UW MM(spell reflection), posibly vitality
open monolith
that is bad luck pug shit.
spark mortar
For lego missives we're going Haste/Vers still right?
open monolith
I have always had a positive experience in my pugs
I also go out of my way to be vocal, invite people to discord, type out instructions, and be friendly
maybe that is the difference.
go in with a positive attitude. it is infectious.
@spark mortar haste/vers for an ounce of more surviability. haste/crit for an ounce of more damage
spark mortar
Yeah that's usually my angle @open monolith. I tend to favor haste/vers for survivability, hast/crit for beating some ass.
spark mortar
Also +1 on positive attitude in M+, it can turn any PUG around. Most people come in expecting the experience to be shit, the tank to be an insufferable asshole who doesn't listen and the healer to leave after one wipe. A simple "Good morning - first time in here, let's do our best" while cheesy goes a long way during such a stressful time as now.
still pagoda
that is bad luck pug shit.
well, 90% of my pugging experience from previous seasons was this
welcome to EU pugs
literal garbage
open monolith
Well the only constant in all of your pugs is you 😮
sick sentinel
yeah, and then they say "hey we got a guild member we are going to invite, do u mind to step out?"
open monolith
I doubt EU is any significantly more toxic than NA
still pagoda
it's all the same
open monolith
it's kinda like when I used to play League. I got tired of people being shitty all the time, so I, almost comically, took on a positive attitude
I never really meant it, but I legit said positive stuff EVERY GAME, non-stop
the improvement in my average group play and experience sky rocketed
sick sentinel
nah, league aint it for me
spark mortar
Bet you got banned.
sick sentinel
i tried it been there done that
open monolith
Is WoW even fun for you, Karton?
I don't mean this as an insult, but you've been like, OMEGA negative for the past couple weeks
sick sentinel
i don't even want to discuss my history with league of legends
open monolith
I wonder if it might just be time to do something else 😮
sick sentinel
game makes me too much angry, had to quit for good
open monolith
Yes, I also quit most competitive PvP games for a similar reason
after reaching master in Overwatch and diamond in HotS, I noticed myself becoming stupidly angry when I lost matches.
Gave it up for good.
sick sentinel
what killed it for me is you have to wait 20 minutes just to concede, and it could last up to 50 minutes
but if you don't move every 3 minutes, you get no points, and you get ban progress
so you are literal forced to sit and twiddle mouse around just to not get banned when ur team is 4 vs 28
so just like wow, if u get a group 3 ppl grouped, and they all voting yes or no, u have zero say in votes
open monolith
Just gotta make friends and make your own groups if pugs don't work for you
Most the people on my friends list are either RL friends, or good puggers that added me after a dungeon
torpid granite
damn pika made it to 15+
sick sentinel
wtb shut off "lets find shinies!" in oribos
open monolith
some group already has +15d every dungeon lol
sick sentinel
r u really surprise at this point
sick sentinel
logs?
i can't promise it will go well, but i will attempt to run mythic zero other side today again. need to watch the video guide a couple of times
open monolith
@strong forum so how are you liking the feel of ITF over Ravager in those high keys? Do you feel like it is significantly better?
open monolith
interesting.
i wonder if that, in and of itself, is a good reason to run ravager lol
at leas you feel that
also why tf do you guys keep getting like, the same 3 dungeons
show me a fucking spires
strong forum
🤷♂️
open monolith
will be curious to see this route.
I have a great <10 NW route, but doesn't route for prideful
glossy island
Hi, best enchant for m+ on weapon?
lone folio
Is pulsating stoneheart as shit as it looks?
open monolith
Spen why do you come here?
any of the good warriors in here know that prot is fine
glossy island
😄
slate shell
i mean, prot isnt what it used to be in 8.3 BFA, but lets be real, nothing is and i doubt will ever be again, and that was mostly due to corruptions/azerite gear, not prot warrior being that much awesome by himself. But to say that prot war is complete garbage, is just silly, it barely matters what tank you play when everyone is so undergeared, with random stats and when the entire group is in the same boat.
open monolith
I'm sorry that you are bad at playing Warrior and can't adjust to the new playstyle.
sturdy sable
You could stoppee at it barely matters what tank you play
severe swallow
You shouldnt make comments if you struggle to discipline your emotional biased @open monolith
sturdy sable
Cause its true
open monolith
I'm sorry that you also feel the need to come in here and be negative about a class that we are all playing well and enjoying
I'm sorry that you are the person that you are choosing to be.
severe swallow
Go do a pull like a prot pala / dh does
open monolith
Please give me your character name and server.
timber lagoon
👀
strong forum
no need to get all aggressive in here
severe swallow
So people arent allowed opinions without accolades when its all statistically proving you otherwise?
open monolith
well, you claimed to be top 50 pro warrior in the world earlier
severe swallow
Yup
open monolith
so I would like to verify your claim
severe swallow
This dude
north forum
I get clapped stupid hard in high keys
severe swallow
Is compltely deluded
slate shell
@north forum how high are we talking ?
north forum
11-12
sturdy sable
Are you blocking
north forum
lol
glossy island
So guys ascended vigor or lightless force for m+?
severe swallow
LMAO
sturdy sable
Damn son
severe swallow
Looool
sturdy sable
You gotta get on that
open monolith
You literally said you were a top 50 prot warrior in the world
north forum
im top 10 illidan
open monolith
That would be VERY easy to verify by simply posting your name and server
north forum
the only relevant server
open monolith
that would mean that I would give some credence to your thoughts, as it would prove you have some experience in the class
severe swallow
You should get off discord bro- too much emotions coming from u
north forum
sock link your shit
open monolith
but I truly, truly doubt you have any meaningful experience with the spec.
north forum
let me see your account or something
sturdy sable
Please just be a picture of a sock
open monolith
go nuts
gaunt tide
idk if this is for real or a meme
open monolith
I mean, i play a couple hours a couple days a week because I have a wife and daughter and full time job, and I haven't even done 2 dungeons yet.
north forum
300 io
open monolith
So anyway, what's you rname and server Spen?
north forum
how can you even talk about how good a class is
if you deadass dont do high level content
you have no experience
and flaming this guy for his exp
severe swallow
I work full time too
open monolith
I'm not flaming anyone.
severe swallow
? Im top 50 u arentl
north forum
fucking thrall is a dead server
flint cliff
Watching kungen on twitch. Apparently protwarr is so good that kungen needs to run m+ keys with a VDH as tank partner... good job blizzard 👍
severe swallow
Loler!
open monolith
You guys are... frightening
Are you both okay?
I am simply asking Spen to verify the claim he made earlier
he stated he was a top 50 prot warrior in the world.
I just want to see that. What's the problem?
north forum
verify these nuts in your throat