protection

[open monolith]

2 STR, 4 stam, 2 armor, vs 76 haste

[pure sun]

Yeah no, you want the mythic 4 100%

[manic halo]

haste

[open monolith]

this is possibly getting into the realm of "don't just go ilvl"

I wanna say the ilvl > all was relevant when we were going from 171s to 184s

[pure sun]

I think anyone who says Ilvl>stats is kinda pepega, most of the time you want ilvl but this is different.

[open monolith]

I don't know how relevant that is when going from 194 to 197

but I also just... don't know, so don't listen to me

[pure sun]

Pretty much nothin

[tropic drum]

!guide

[open monolith]

pins.

[tropic drum]

wait what

this is so pleb

[pure sun]

ur so pleb

[open monolith]

Yes, checking the pins is so much more pleb than spamming chat with a bunch of bot commands

@ionic fern we seek your guidance. At what point does iLVL stop being the absolute highest priority. There is a good example above of a 194 vs a 197.
197 gets you +2 armor +2 str +4 stamina, vs the 194 with 76 haste. Is it reasonable to say that iLVL > all doesn't quite apply in tiny ilvl upgrades?

[lusty marsh]

Don't leave out the 79 crit.

[zenith monolith]

Guys I am struggling in 6 and 7s with 190 ilvl. Any tips ?

[lusty marsh]

Not that it's super important.

But it's better to give full info

[open monolith]

he's capable of scrolling up

lol

[modern brook]

More stats > better stats is the reason we take ilvl over haste

[modern brook]

use the shield

[quiet sandal]

get a healer who pumps

learn mechanics of the trash, a lot is avoidable

if you're dying to what isn't avoidable then that's partly a healer problem

you can relieve pressure by kiting sometimes, but also kiting as warrior without teamwork makes it kinda chaotic

[zenith monolith]

Yeah guess just need more experience with the dungs

[quiet sandal]

not much you can do on your own

bolster is good if you can't trust your team to peel for you to kite

[steady aspen]

If leaper away :)

[sick sentinel]

i have no idea how many fights this was over, but i'm going to say 1st boss of mists, then all of mists the next day

too much revenge spam off proc as filler i bet

[open monolith]

yogi

remove whirlwind from your hotbar

and stop using it entirely

it is literally a useless ability for prot warriors

[dense pivot]

yeah prot warr is kinda hard on this one, one second I have no rage, couple of gcd later I'm overcapping rage by not using revenge ^^

[open monolith]

Both shield block and Ignore pain are off the global cooldown

you should never cap rage because you can use them between other abilities

[lusty marsh]

Rage generation is pretty linear I feel.

[dense pivot]

yeah it's me

spacing out on rage

[open monolith]

it only ever gets remotely close to capping when AVatar + Ravager + boomging voice + charge + shield bash + spear at the beginning of a fight

[dense pivot]

because I'm not used to the spec

[eternal comet]

How mighty is Seismic Reverberation for Prot Dps?

[open monolith]

do you have a good weak aura to track your rage so it is in a very obvious spot?

[sick sentinel]

that breakdown shows i was using WW very little tho 2.5% dmg, i'll definite try not to use it so much in future.

[dense pivot]

default ragebar below character

[lusty marsh]

All hail luxthos

[sick sentinel]

like what is the only scenario that you would ever hit WW?

[open monolith]

Yogi

I am not being facetious

[waxen cradle]

whats the total CD reduction of cooldown for DShout with Thunderlord now ?

[open monolith]

when I say literally never

remove it from your hot bar

press it 0 times ever

[nimble drift]

When would you use WW over revenge. Ww is less damage, less targets, more rage

[sick sentinel]

it can't proc anything that revenge wouldn't?

[dense pivot]

in pvp trying to unstealth someone, that's literally it

[sick sentinel]

or it doesn't have things tied to it? if it doesn't have any bearing and is same as revenge i'll take it off yah

[dense pivot]

if tc on cd lol

[open monolith]

it's less damage than revenge

it is more rage than revenge

it does literally nothing that revenge doesn't do better

remove it from your hot bar.

[nimble drift]

Lol yeah what I just said

It also only hits 5 while revenge is 5 and more at reduced dmg

[lusty marsh]

Petition to make that one anima power cast revenge on shield slam instead

[open monolith]

Whirlwind is literally a dead ability for prot.

[sick sentinel]

i'll have to replace that button with something else

[signal plover]

It can hit things behind u kek

[open monolith]

i was waiting for someone to say that

[signal plover]

Huehuehue

[nimble drift]

Back up lmao

[open monolith]

thank you for not disappointing me

[signal plover]

We here bb

[open monolith]

it can only hit things behind you if those things behind you aren't the target capped enemies that it decides to not hit

ha!

Uno Reverse

[steady aspen]

Put another revenge there.

[signal plover]

Don't worry WW is def not on my prot bars

[open monolith]

I know it isn't

[signal plover]

If you glue two prot warrs back to back tho

CHECKMATE WW

[open monolith]

no you just have to swipe your mouse across the pad fast enough

so that you can extend the revenge hit box

500iq play

[sharp herald]

360 revenge scoping

[signal plover]

Yeet

DW shields one day

[open monolith]

honestly?

i'd be so hyped for that

just imagine walking in with 2 bulwarks of azzinoth

and the warrior tier that has the spikey helm to match it

[signal plover]

Somewhere in the meme annals of this discord

There is an image

[sick sentinel]

i always figured it would be paladins to dual wield shields

[signal plover]

I bet @lusty grotto has it

[open monolith]

Fuck paladins, they'd be more likely to dual wield books or wind chimes or some shit

[sick sentinel]

how bout mages and warlocks can dual wield wands

[eternal comet]

Just like this one

[open monolith]

yogi I want you to change your avatar to bubbles

[signal plover]

Yes

That

[sick sentinel]

but i'm a pothead lol

[signal plover]

And THEN we WW

[sick sentinel]

i'm the bad guy

[open monolith]

oooooooooooooooooooooooh

that explains so many things about the things you post

[sick sentinel]

WW is no longer on my bars

but i needed to replace a button for it, i don't want to change buttons often or at all if possible.

[ionic fern]

3 ilvls is not a big difference indeed. We still have a stat priority of Haste>Vers etcetc which should be followed when looking at items at the same ilvl. For this scenario i would probably just sim it and go for w/e is highest.

[sick sentinel]

i don't know where it saves to on the pc, and i don't know what format, but i do own a yt channel (private one) and know very basic video editing skills and can do the simulations and what not

[open monolith]

Right but we don't take haste for the DPS, so what would you be simming?

[ionic fern]

Haste reduces CD of SS/TC.

[sick sentinel]

my problem is i always fuck up the rotation, or the route, (due to mechanics, patrols etc)

[ionic fern]

More deeps.

[open monolith]

Right, I understand that lol, but I thought we prioritize haste more for the fact that it smooths out rage and SB uptime

[ionic fern]

Jeah, ofc. It's the best "all around" stat we can get.

[sick sentinel]

what's an easy to run mythic 0 and i will attempt to run that and get it into a video for analaysis in 24-48 hrs

[ionic fern]

Talking purely survivability then the haste one will probably be better for consistency. Crit is GOOD but it's RNG survivability via parries etc and the 2 extra armor/str is meh

[sick sentinel]

i've done a few, but

[open monolith]

aight, seems like in that scenario that guy would probably have been better off taking that haste then

yogi easiest mythic is probably mists of tirna scithe

as long as someone in your group can do the maze.

[sick sentinel]

okay, i just did that one, but dunno if it saved or not

video

[open monolith]

if you did it on mythic, it saved.

if you killed a boss.

[sick sentinel]

err, a video file

i know a few others here have seen video of how i played 2 years ago, and it was bad then, and i will make another to see if it is as bad as was then, and if not making progress GG

I know pc is more than capable of streaming it while playing

if that's a better take live feed some time

[wild sandal]

is never surrender to go for if im struggling with keys?

[open monolith]

No

Never surrender should be renamed to Never Pick This Talent

It seems good, at first glance, because hey, bigger shield = good right?

except that it doesn't make you actually mitigate any more damage per hit

it's still 50% less damage, and when you're about to die, having a bigger IP shield isn't going to save your ass

[fierce tendon]

i wonder if renaming it to that would make more people take it

[ember inlet]

Regarding dem conduits, I had 200 ilvl last stand rage generation drop today, tried it out

[sick sentinel]

if they named a talent Never Take This Talent, players would make a way to find it BIS and everyone has to use it some how

[ember inlet]

And kind of liked it

SS giving me 20 rage for instant revenge follow

Demo 60 rage, bonkers

[sick sentinel]

i got to 173 ilvl so far

just need a helmet and a ring

[grand drum]

I keep reading SS as sweeping strikes and it makes me wish prot had sweeping strikes

[rain badge]

I'd straight up nut every time I pressed sweeping strikes if it worked with shield slam.

[strong forum]

yo boyos

[sick sentinel]

nomeratur has seen my gameplay, he knows i am a bad disgusting clicker man

[strong forum]

if you want to loot 1h weapons without running into danger of getting shitty tank trinkets, for example plaguefall or sanguine depths, go fury lootspec

[open monolith]

Hi nome, it's me, 50% of your current viewers

[strong forum]

sick

[open monolith]

oooh that's smart

nice.

[sick sentinel]

i got the 184 haste vers 1h axe from mists of T

[open monolith]

which shitty tank trinket drops in plaguefall? I only know of the shitty one in sanguine

[sick sentinel]

last night or this morning

[strong forum]

in plaguefall the situation is

you want the dps trinket

and the 1h

so you pick fury, cuz prot cant drop the trinket

:200iq:

[sick sentinel]

and i bought the 190 haste mastery shield from AH

[open monolith]

nice, I was going fury in Plaguefall already for that trinket

now I'll do it in Sanguine to avoid that shitty trinket

900iq

[sick sentinel]

i love spear when i can use it as CC

[fierce tendon]

all the mobs in theatre and pf that jump around

[lavish oracle]

wait, prot can't get phial?

[fierce tendon]

v useful

[open monolith]

no Azathoth

gotta go fury or arms for it

how dare you try to get dps trinkets on a tank

[lavish oracle]

Damn, all this time and I been crossing my fingers for it 😄

[open monolith]

that's illegal

[lavish oracle]

Will know for next time

+10 Phial inc

[open monolith]

I would kill for a 200 hakkar trinket

i have a 171 one, and it's only ever coming off for a high ilvl one

it's so fucking god damn good

[lavish oracle]

Me too

My trinkets are so bad

I have the crit crystal and the haste pool

[open monolith]

i have 171 hakkar and 184 overwhelming power crystal

[fierce tendon]

im still stuck with pulsating stoneheart LULW

actual peepee poopoo trink

[lavish oracle]

I hope they buff the tank trinkets at some point

they're just straight trash, mostly

[sick sentinel]

is the best bfa dungeon trinket for tanks guys

everyone needs to get one

[lavish oracle]

minus like hakar and like the cheat death one that's kinda okay

though the cheat death one is an 8 min CD

which is so bad

[fierce tendon]

the randomizer one right

[lavish oracle]

Shard of Al'ar or something?

off of KT

Can't remember the name, not logged in at the moment

[pearl imp]

Hi guys, how are your M+ doin'? I'm almost 500 Rio but I'm unhappy about the overall damage in keys +7 + 8, ecc. I normally do like 1.6-1.7k. How much dps do u do?

[lavish oracle]

Doing 2.5k ish usually, sometimes higher, sometimes a little lower depending on the dungeon

[pearl imp]

What trinkets are u using? I'm still with the slime and the darkmoon deck (armor)

[lusty grotto]

why

why are you using darkmoon

[pearl imp]

?cause i run dungeon all day but i only drop shit

[lusty grotto]

have you tried pvping

anything is better than that

[lavish oracle]

The trinkets aren't going to make a difference that big anyways. I'm using the haste pool one out of spires, and the crit crystal

[fierce tendon]

ive been stuck with it too, compared with other dungeon trinks i dont think darkmoon is that bad lmao

just for lack of luck

[lusty grotto]

i just dont see the point on wasting gold on it

but if you crafted it

🤷‍♂️

[lavish oracle]

I think one big problem players can have in dungeons is that they hold cds too long. Had a friend on fire mage that was playing kindling and kept holding his combust, got him to break the habit and he easily doubled his overall

[lusty grotto]

i dont even know what trinkets im using.. some slime shitters that run to me and heal me and i have some arcane frontal aoe shit and the one hateful strike one

[pearl imp]

I got the slime to nim

[lusty grotto]

i have 1 more than i dont use

[pearl imp]

that's trash ahahaha

[lusty grotto]

on a pinch it helps

it adds up to kyrian pot etc

oh ya pulsating stoneheart which i never use

[lavish oracle]

I would watch vods of someone else playing warrior and just see what they're doing differently, like really watch. (Make sure it's someone who is like also actually good at the class 😛)

[lusty grotto]

and also anima charged wings or w/e

shit i have a lot of trinkets lol

[lavish oracle]

I have a 184 cube but 3 minute CD is pretty cringe

[lusty grotto]

(plus 2 pvp ones)

but honestly

if you were going for DMF

you should have gotten the haste one instead

[lavish oracle]

What rating do you need to get decent ilvl out of those trinkets?

[lusty grotto]

you dont need rating to get them to mythic 0 ilvl

[lavish oracle]

Is fury a shit show in PvP right now?

[lusty grotto]

and i cant recall ratings but 1400 was kind of the number i remember

i dont know, i dont play fury

arms pvp and prot pve

fury doesnt exist on my warrior in retail

[lavish oracle]

Ah, hate arms PvP, defensives feel like trash

[lusty grotto]

you can search by:nimchip fury in the search bar for that meme

youve never been high rated have you?

not trying to diss

[lavish oracle]

Nah, most I've gotten is like 1700 last xpac

Just spamming duos with a DH friend in the age of corruptions that would delete people if you were lucky, haha

[lusty grotto]

well i cant really say, if i had to guess i'd say fury is good for solo queueing

so nothing much has changed from bfa

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, we weren't terribly well coordinated

We both just needed the essence, really

[lusty grotto]

yeah well fury has always been kind of okay in 2s

id say better if double dps for sure

[sick sentinel]

whats easier for whole group, other side or theatre

mythic 0

[lusty grotto]

hmm

both are kind of similar

ToP last boss can be a pain

[sick sentinel]

not a fan of the tornadoes in top

[lusty grotto]

and other side can suck if you dont set up portals, etc

[lavish oracle]

M0? Hard to say. DOS, I think? If you know how mueh'zala works

If you don't, ToP is more straightforward

[sick sentinel]

i'm going to attempt to see if there is a trash and boss m+ sl weak aura out yet or not

[lusty grotto]

yeah id say ToP for sure cause other side has some gimmicky bosses

there's trash weak auras

there have been for over a week

[sick sentinel]

the old guild i was in with the DK and the paladin, they both told me it was easy

DoS

[lusty grotto]

its easy yes

m0 in general are easy

[lavish oracle]

It is easy if you know how all the mechanics work

[lusty grotto]

if you have exp that is

[sick sentinel]

they are pvp'rs though, i hear pvprs are better at the game but i don't know don't care

[lavish oracle]

Haha

PvPers always say that, and then try to tell people to use the weirdest talents with absolute authority

[sick sentinel]

my experience with dungeons is we steam roll the entire thing, only 1 death whole run, or its after 1st or 2nd boss and then wipe city

[lusty grotto]

let us know how it goes

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, if you're really worried about it, just look up the fights ahead of time

Knowledge is power

[open monolith]

@sick sentinel https://wago.io/ZpDhyMJ9K

[sick sentinel]

cheers

im going to do what i always do too, and find out which abilities i can block, or reflect and make bigwig play specific sb or sr sound.

[jaunty vector]

How are you prot boys feelin higher keys?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, it takes time to set up, but then i cant get confused if i had to do a pyshical or magic defensive

[strong forum]

felt fine in 12s

but i do indeed need to coordinate alot

also having a boomkin is amazing to cover some SB gaps

[open monolith]

yeah boomy is great

Tank - MM hunter / Spriest / Boomy / Resto shaman

that's what I want to run

[quiet kettle]

id take sub rogue or dk instead of spriest honestly

just so ur not completely ranged stacked for certain affixes

also having a melee intercept is nice for bonus rage if u dont need to move

[open monolith]

I mean, sure, if you're a filthy metachaser

but I have a spriest friend and mind soothe makes me happy

[quiet kettle]

isnt spriest also like top 3 for ranged dmg anyways?

[open monolith]

idk. I don't pay attention to stupid ass sim charts and tier lists

he pumps. things die quick.

[lavish oracle]

I'm running with sub/fire/boomy or spriest usually, feels great

[steady aspen]

What kind of help boomkin gives for us?

[lavish oracle]

Trees

[strong forum]

Treants

[exotic spoke]

Its not about being meta chasing. Its about having the interrupts

[strong forum]

big downtime saver

[exotic spoke]

There are several pulls which require a ton of interrupts

[open monolith]

don't they also get ironskin?

or

ironbark

barkyiron

the thing they can put on a tank to make them take less damage

[lavish oracle]

Rogue + tank + fire can cover most pulls, I imagine having an rshaman would be better for covering pulls that needed more

[exotic spoke]

Wasnt for you aza. Was towards sock.

[open monolith]

Prot + Rsham + mm hunter cover all the interrupts

[exotic spoke]

I mean, ok. /shrug

If you say so

[open gazelle]

hmmmm i love bolster, and ravager is great butttttt UF+thunderlord better fir m+ for keys about +8 or no? im torn

[open monolith]

between normal interrupts, cap totem, shockwave, stormbolt

ursol vortex

typhoon

[exotic spoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[open monolith]

No Pacho

[exotic spoke]

Having another melee would be very good still. Only tank + rsham is a bit iffy IMO

[open monolith]

Yes but that would require knowing someone who plays melee well

and I have none of those.

[lavish oracle]

Need rogue for sap skips anyways

[open monolith]

anything sap can skip mind soothe can skip

[open gazelle]

i like a good holy priest imo, i know thats controversial

rsham is great too

[woeful mica]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684223141068931100/787075700829716500/redditsave.com-my_brain_after_doing_castle_nythria_and_mythic-tpzkr3hxfj461.mp4

[glossy stone]

I would stay bolster rav simply for more defense

[exotic spoke]

Currently looking at running prot (may swap to another class. Havent decided), RSham, Rogue, Spriest, Hunter

[lavish oracle]

I don't think so sock, necrotic wake sap skip is preeeetty tight

Maybe, I guess, haven't tried it

[open monolith]

uh

are you talking abotu the mini boss before the bridge?

[exotic spoke]

Shroud when you can really utilize it is so strong. Plus the control they bring is so good

[lavish oracle]

Yeah

[open monolith]

because we skip that with mind soothe all the time

and it's not tight at all

we waltz on by quite comfortable

i don't think you realize just how much mind soothe has been buffed in slands

it's basically budget-shroud

[exotic spoke]

^^

[lavish oracle]

Oh, nice

[open gazelle]

@woeful mica wtf was that lmao

[exotic spoke]

Just limited as to what it can work on

[open monolith]

That's stan reposting the video from the top page of the wow subreddit

Mindsoothe works on just about everything that you need it to work on in the current content

I should just say "everything". there hasn't been time i wanted it to work and it didn't

works on the trash in halls of atonement outside Echelon

Also, why is it that every time I think about Spires of Ascension, I think it is halls of atonement

like, in my head, spires is halls

when someone says "let's do halls", I start going toward bastion

am I retarded?

[exotic spoke]

My statement was just a general statement about it versus shroud - not specifically in keys

[open gazelle]

hear me out... SIGNET OF TORMENTED KINGS LEGGO with UF+AM for m+, especially since u can block and ignore pain while bladestorming now?????

[open monolith]

No.

[open gazelle]

lmao

[jaunty vector]

is the thunderlap legendary the play still?

[open gazelle]

would be a fun meme

[open monolith]

Yes Womp

though Wall is much better for raiding, and still good for mythics

so craft the one that is your bigger focus.

you'll have both eventually

[jaunty vector]

I only M+ on my warrior

Cool beans thanks

[open gazelle]

i actually crafted thunderlord hands bc boots dropped for me from first boss in heroic

[open monolith]

yeah that's fine

I crafted boots because they were 20k cheaper

ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Survival hunter ended up top 4 in week 1 nathria

5

top 5.

[solar crown]

Raiding tonight, downed 2 bosses and thought it was a good run. Looked at the logs and i fucking stink.. feelsgoood man

[open monolith]

I mean, but did you wipe the raid multiple times?

[solar crown]

Well, yes, its a buddy-guild so we got a little of everythin

So we wipe a lot

Oh, if i did

No, ofc not

But i assumed i performed better, but i dont :D

[open monolith]

I mean what I was getting at is

if you are killing bosses

and not personally fucking everything up

you're fine 🙂

[nocturne marlin]

It is possible to craft a 210 leggo as Start leggo right?

[sweet summit]

if u have 2k ash yeah

[nocturne marlin]

I will soon :)

[solar crown]

Thanks :D and you are righ

[wide zodiac]

Guys does ilvl matter the most or secondary stats?

Should I keep the gloves with haste?

[strong forum]

ilvl

ilvl > stats

[open monolith]

for a 10ilvl increase, yeah go with ilvl

if it's like.. a 3 ilvl increase, stats will need a closer look

[wide zodiac]

cool thanks guys ❤️

Is Pawn accurate for tanks or?

[open monolith]

Pawn isn't accurate for anything

and should be uninstalled immediately

[jaunty vector]

whats the max ash this week for 2 layer 6's?

[strong forum]

idk the max you get, but the max you can get to this week without soulash missions from table is like 2570

[wide zodiac]

What would you recommend using to compare gear? Raidbots or? Sorry bit new to all this

[strong forum]

just follow a simple rule

[open monolith]

well for prot it's pretty easy. Take the higher ilvl 99% of the time. Otherwise take the one with more haste

[strong forum]

ilvl > haste >> vers/crit > mastery

this applies also to VDH

the ilvl rule itself applies to every tank

[open monolith]

the only time you don't take the higher ilvl is ring / necklace / trinkets

or when the upgrade is like.. from a 194 to 197 and you lose a ton of haste

[wide zodiac]

Awesome thanks guys

[open monolith]

Haste is king

bow before it

[wide zodiac]

I only have 9% haste atm, thats why I was wondering

[strong forum]

its sad, but the truth

[wide zodiac]

Is Raidbots good for finding best drops/gear etc?

[strong forum]

you cant really aim for stuff as drops are rng

you can sim for DPS and thats about it

[open monolith]

9% haste, youch

[wide zodiac]

Ah okay

[wide zodiac]

I know. I've just been taking any ilvl upgrade I can get and been unlucky with stats I guess

[open monolith]

i think im at 21% now

[wide zodiac]

Fml how! Are you targetting specific dungeons or?

[open monolith]

nah

big luck

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/thrall/luckysock

EXCEPT FOR MY SHIELD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[wide zodiac]

Dayum

Im 185 but have 9% haste haha

[open monolith]

i might be wrong about the 21%

could be more like 18%. haven't checked in a while

[wispy tundra]

Start looking for groups that have the chance to drop your bis gear to help you balance your stats

or form them yourselves if you're lucky key wise

[open monolith]

yeah run a fuck ton of De Other Side

it drops an AMAZING tank trinket AND haste ring

[wide zodiac]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/defias-brotherhood/arokar

[wispy tundra]

I have shit luck with trinkets, but I do have the 190 boe shield

[open monolith]

Send me gold so that I, too, can have the 190 boe shield

thank you

[strong forum]

i mean shit im also scuffed

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/Nomeratur

[wispy tundra]

my bf got it in a random normal dungeon run and gave it to me xD

I never get luck with boe's x.x

[open monolith]

tell your bf to get one in a random normal dungeon run and to give it to me next

thank you

[wispy tundra]

I'll get right on it 👍

[sick sentinel]

so, NEVER use ww again

[wispy tundra]

Never! it's terrible for tanking >.>

[steel mauve]

why would you use ww in the first place?

its not even on my bars

[sick sentinel]

okay, i'll never use it again then

[open monolith]

why do you keep asking 😐

[sick sentinel]

just making sure, seems weird blizard give it back to us then

[strong forum]

WW costs more rage than revenge

[open monolith]

it's a general warrior spell

not a prot spell

[strong forum]

does less damage than revenge

hits less targets than revenge

doesnt apply bleed like revenge

doesnt reset shield slam like revenge

[open monolith]

Virgin whirlwind vs Chad revenge

[strong forum]

🙂

[open monolith]

you ready for a hot take:

Class ability pruning was a GOOD IDEA. Un-pruning was STUPID.

[tight canopy]

Haste Vers best simming for dps?

[open monolith]

that's a great question

sim yourself and let us know

[strong forum]

haste vers isnt best for dps, but yeah, simply simming will answer that

[open monolith]

it might be different for anyone else

what secondary stat is best for dps depends on your current stats

which is going to be different for virtually everyone

gone are the days of "stat weights"

[tight canopy]

Well, more a question of what stats to toss on my Thunderlord?

[strong forum]

haste vers or haste crit

haste vers for bit more overall defensive, haste crit for a bit more damage and parry

[open monolith]

Haste Vers for an ounce of more survability, haste crit for an ounce of more damage

aka what nome said

[tight canopy]

thanks 🙂

[open monolith]

if you download an addon that changes the words "Master, Versatility, and Critical Strike" into "Haste", all of your gear is suddenly really good

[civic rover]

ok cuties

i unlocked kul tiran

im officially a chad now

i only spent 70% of the recruitment quest flying 😎

[open monolith]

I wish I was alliance

so that I could min/max my warrior survivability and be a kul'tiran

but no, I am a pretty little troll girl who has a bunch of haste sometimes

[civic rover]

i love both sides tbh

[open monolith]

fuck horde

it's stupid

the races are ugly

the story is bad

the leaders suck

[civic rover]

Tauren, Orcs, and Trolls are awesome

[open monolith]

thrall is a bitch now

[civic rover]

but so are dwarves, Kul Tirans, and Draenei

[signal plover]

thrall always been a simp for jaina yo

[open monolith]

Jaina is bae.

I miss alliance

[signal plover]

tru

[open monolith]

STUPID GOD DAMN REAL LIFE FRIENDS

[signal plover]

am dorf

[open monolith]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[signal plover]

she pat my head

pat pat

[civic rover]

my guild switched alliance because most of the guild dislikes horde races

and i was like "bro idgaf either way im awesome"

[strong forum]

bro

bro

i wish

we could do that again

[open monolith]

I would be so happy if my friends decided to go back to Alliance

having vanish on every class because night elf is so good

omfg it's so god damn good

OH NO I PULLED 20 MOBS ON THE WAY TO THIS QUEST OBJECTIVE.

[civic rover]

no

[open monolith]

meld.

[civic rover]

me be fat human

because its me irl

[open monolith]

well and 3% of all damage healed back

is like

busted af

[civic rover]

on brew its nuts

[open monolith]

Kul tiran racial is literally better than Pelagos' final soulbind ability

on any tank it is nuts

it's 3% damage reduction

[civic rover]

my guild is trying to get me to switch to kyrian on my warr

its 2% i think

[wispy tundra]

Kyrian is great

[open monolith]

2%, sure

whatever

it's great

[civic rover]

and im just too stubborn to switch

[open monolith]

just a shame that Kul'tiran females look so...

[civic rover]

necrolord good

[open monolith]

much...

like.... they do

[civic rover]

thicc?

[open monolith]

bro that ain't thicc

that's unhealthy

[wispy tundra]

you could say the same with the Kul tiran males xD

[civic rover]

idk dude

[wispy tundra]

massive beer bellies

[open monolith]

Yeah, they're big ol' fatties, too

but they also gave them fucking muscles EVERYWHERE

they gave the females.... lard.

that's it

no muscle

[civic rover]

irl im a kul tiran and my girlfriend looks like a taller blood elf

[wispy tundra]

so nightborne?

[civic rover]

nah

like literally, add an inch to blood elf height

[open monolith]

Blizzard chose Lady Ashvane over Jaina for what a kul'tiran female should look like, and I will never forgive them for it.

[civic rover]

maybe wow players have a bbw fetish

[open monolith]

seeing as how they are the least played race in the game

I don't think that is the case.

[nimble sandal]

Lay it on me boys: I know Prot isnt in a fantastic spot in comparison to other tanks. But if I'm not looking to push Mythic raid content, or push extremely high Mythic+, I'm still a viable tank right?

[open monolith]

Prot is great

[nimble sandal]

Some of the forum posts make it sound like we're invalids

[open monolith]

stop listening to bad people saying bad things

[civic rover]

all the tanks are good af

imo

[open monolith]

prot war has more room for error

and making an error hurts more

but they are great when played well

[nimble sandal]

Just dont roll your blocks like a baddie

Be more proactive

Appreciate it boys

[sick sentinel]

i get complains about not having enough aggro ... how do i know if the accusations are right, and what can i do about it ?

[open monolith]

are you losing aggro?

[civic rover]

press revenge more, tell dps to calm their titties

[wispy tundra]

pre plan big pulls, use cooldowns often, ravager is king right now 😉

[sick sentinel]

i think so ..

[open monolith]

losing aggro shouldn't be an "i think so"

[proven glen]

Ur dps going ham too early

[wispy tundra]

^

[open monolith]

if you don't notice you're losing aggro, you either A) aren't or B) aren't paying attention

and B is worse than A

[nimble sandal]

Tell them to let you stack 3 Sunders before they dps

Wait

[sick sentinel]

wait ravager ?

[open monolith]

ravager.

[wispy tundra]

[sick sentinel]

i'm a main dps ... i just need to do keys, and as dps i can't so ...

[sick sentinel]

what is it ?

[open monolith]

Don't think you can just step into prot and start going ham on keys LOL

ravager is a talent

it's baebladez

[civic rover]

nah prot isnt too hard

[nimble sandal]

Ravager is like Bladestorm but you can do shit

[sick sentinel]

ow i have unstoppable force

[wispy tundra]

aggro baebladez that pop every 45 seconds

[sick sentinel]

so switch unstoppable to ravager

this is what i have now

[open monolith]

yes and switch anger management to bolster

and double time to stormbolt

[wispy tundra]

^

[signal plover]

And ffs get threat plates (meaning any nameplate addon that tracks threat)

[sick sentinel]

ok another stupid question ... i do have mythic dungeon tools ... but how does it work ? 😦

[signal plover]

It's an add-on that helps plan routes, but that shouldn't be a priority until you're comfortable with the class

[open monolith]

I like tidy plates

mob on me? blue. Mob not on me? red. Mob losing threat? yellow

[signal plover]

Plater > all imo

[sick sentinel]

i am comfortable going trough solo content ... so finding groups is only in dungeons ...

[signal plover]

But fair bit of setup

[civic rover]

mob on me? green if not caster, blue if caster, losing? yellow, gone? red

[open monolith]

yeah tidyplates is great because it is 0 setup

[timber nest]

Anyone know where i can find shadowlands mdt routes?

[civic rover]

there might be some on the raiderio page?

[sick sentinel]

i think my elvui is setup for that (i can see who is focussing on me)

[civic rover]

idk i still havent fuckin figured out any optimal routes LOL

[signal plover]

Raider io has some under weekly route in news section

[open monolith]

I have a good route for NEcrotic wake 😮

i mean, it doesn't factor in prideful at all

[sick sentinel]

so do we need to memorise them, or can we have an addon give us arrows or something ?

[open monolith]

but uh, it gets you 100% without any hard pulls

and a 100.01% spires route

[signal plover]

That's what MDT is for

You import the string

And it puts it into your add on

[sick sentinel]

where can we import them from ?

[signal plover]

Raider.io >>> news>>> weekly route

[sick sentinel]

click all the links there ? srry i'm noob

oh nice

i found it thank you pawrevere

another noob question, now i imported it, to see where to go, i allways need to open that addon screen ? or not ?

[signal plover]

Ya, eventually you learn it by memory and make adjustments week by week based on affixes

[sick sentinel]

true

but i have loads of addons

opening that one will take time xD

[sick sentinel]

do we get updated routes there every week ?

[civic rover]

yeah typically

you generally don't have to change your route every week but there's usually minor adjustments you'll wanna make to certain pulls as you go into higher keys to take into account for affixes.

[gusty sable]

hi guys, is it known that the lego from stonelegion doesnt trigger on ravager as prot.. is this intended?

[ionic fern]

Signet? Yes,this is known. It used to work in beta but was removed for some reason.

[open monolith]

You know what would be a fair and balanced Legendary? "Gain a ignore pain shield equal to damage blocked while Shield Block is active "

balanced. And fair.

[gusty sable]

removed in terms of intentional, or might be buggy

[ionic fern]

No one knows

[pale lotus]

Do you guys feel like you get trucked in m+ compared to other tanks? I play arms mainly but tank dungeons often and can’t help but feel like prot war needs some love

[gusty sable]

hmm okay

so lets hope

[open monolith]

There are a lot of people who feel that way who come here to ask that same question @pale lotus

The general consensus of the warriors who live and breathe prot here is: no

[pale lotus]

Ahh I see. I guess I’ll have to come here and read more to see how you guys are solving some of the deficiencies and weaknesses

[nocturne siren]

I think all tanks feel like they get trucked eventually if you are pushing 15s

[ionic fern]

Sense is streaming m+ right now,you can take a look.

[open monolith]

ProtW is far less forgiving than other tanks. It requires thoughtful and proactive play

not very reactive.

it's the disc priest of tanks

[nocturne siren]

Yea. You need to predict damage for sure

[open monolith]

what is Sense's twitch

is it... sense?

[sturdy sable]

Thats a good way to put it sock

[open monolith]

snse

got it

[pale lotus]

I enjoy prot war style though. I find it fun

[astral crystal]

man our damage is sucky

seeing brews absolutely dumpster with the double keg smash leggo

[open monolith]

our damage is fine

[astral crystal]

could be better tbh

[nocturne siren]

Prot damage isnt that bad

[sturdy sable]

I'm dumpstering just fine thank you

[astral crystal]

vdh and monk are doing quite a bit

[misty rain]

link?

[astral crystal]

probably due to having good conduits i guess

[open monolith]

twitch.tv/snse

@misty rain

[nocturne siren]

Overall I do about 3.4k dps and my DH friend is at like 3.9k

[misty rain]

I'm having a tough time in M+. Getting slapped around in +7s and I'm at ~189 ilvl.

[open monolith]

I'm 187 and handled a +9 just fine

[sturdy sable]

Dont let them slap you so often then

[open monolith]

and i did the +9 when I was 185

[strong forum]

Having good dps can change dmg intake alot

[open monolith]

yep.

[strong forum]

And using CC and kicks

[open monolith]

I'd say the vast majority of "I feel squishy" can be fixed with "okay but is your DPS ineterrupting ever?"

well, a lot of it anyway

[strong forum]

Yea

[sturdy sable]

Yeah eating alot of bolts is never fun

[astral crystal]

yeah obliterating packs makes the game a lot easier

[misty rain]

I dunno, it was a necrotic so maybe just a rough dungeon?

And DPS was a lil low.

[nimble drift]

184 with 50haste and a socket or 190 with 0 haste 0 mastery

[strong forum]

Necrotic is one of the easier dungeons

[misty rain]

Word? I find necrotic trash to be among the hardest.

[strong forum]

So defo mechanical failure

Na NW is free af

[misty rain]

tenderize, lots of spells.

spread casters

[astral crystal]

they fixed tenderize at least

[open monolith]

NW is the 2nd easiest dungeon, in my opinon

[sturdy sable]

Mists is the easiest by a mile tho

[strong forum]

Mists NW and hoa are the 3 easiest dungeons

[honest plinth]

idk DoS trash is killing me 😄

[misty rain]

yea mists and hoa are easy

[astral crystal]

plaguefall tho monkaS

[strong forum]

Plaguefall is fine

Did 2x +12 just now

But last boss can be iffy if your healer isn't ontop of things

Rest is literally just pull pack by pack

🤷‍♂️

The debuffs after 2nd boss is the hardest part

[open monolith]

there's only 1 hard pull in DoS

it's the one in front of zulgurub that has 23049845098 mobs in it

[nocturne siren]

DoS is one of the hardest dungeons high

mobs slap

[open monolith]

sigh.

I might need to buy a race change

[misty rain]

Am I the only one who thinks DOS is easier than NW?

[open monolith]

I want that DR from HM tauren

you are probably not the only one that thinkgs that Darkblue

[nocturne siren]

Necrotic Wake feels like it's by hard the hardest for me.

[open monolith]

but NW is only hard if your DPS doesn't use interrupts

[nocturne siren]

DoS 2nd maybe, and then sanguine.

[open monolith]

if your DPS just interrupts necrotic bolts, goresplatter, and drain fluids, it's easy af

Sanguine is cancer. Fuck that dungeon, imo

[nocturne siren]

but I feel like it changes if you are talking about like ~+13 keys vs ~10keys

https://i.imgur.com/O0XpkeV.png

I'm scared from that run

[open monolith]

Sense is using ITF instead of ravager

[strong forum]

Sense is also lazy in changing talents

But im considering running it aswell

[ionic fern]

For the increased SB uptime

[strong forum]

Just cuz of block

[open monolith]

I mean, yeah, easy to understand why

it's just funny given how much ravager is preached around here

[ionic fern]

I mean,you can do that with Ravager as well.

🤷

[misty rain]

Yall don't need ravager for threat?

[open monolith]

nah

it's nice to have

[strong forum]

Revenge+spear should be aight

[open monolith]

yo but can we talk about the real shit for a second

Sephiroth in smash. whaaaaaaat?

[misty rain]

eeyyyy

[open monolith]

my inner 9 year old is so excited

shit was my jam when i was 9 and it came to US

granted I Didn't... really understand much of it

[humble stream]

Hello, what is the best legendary for MM+ pls? Signet of Tormented Kings or Judgment of the Arbiter

[sour sluice]

how do we deal with Mordretha's adds (Last boss of Theater of Pain)

[sweet summit]

@humble stream #arms ?

[humble stream]

@sweet summit Hello Erga, for Protection

[sweet summit]

thunderlord

neither of the two you mentioned are good for prot

[astral crystal]

what adds?

the ones that you spawn when she opens the gate?

just loosely stack, interrupt and burn

[humble stream]

@sweet summit Yes my bad : So -> Thunderlord ?

[sweet summit]

for m+ yes

on boots, with haste and vers

[humble stream]

❤️ TY a lot @sweet summit

[sour sluice]

yeah, those ones. thanks!

[patent cairn]

Hello, i have a question - How do I keep my aggro as prot from pull ? I always try to cast thunderstorm + revenge, but then I ddont have rage for shield blocks and ignore pain

[open monolith]

Charge -> Avatar -> Thunder Clap -> Demo shout (with booming voice)

you now have more than enough rage for both defensives and revenge for aggro

[sick sentinel]

theatre of pain m0 was easier than expected

[patent cairn]

I tried to do that, aggro looses anyway -_- If party dont wait for 3-4 secs, its a disaster

[sick sentinel]

only real death was to knockback tornadoe

[steady aspen]

Problem is that pugs go yolo while waiting gcd after demo

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoS-pMWCnvk

tornaders

[patent cairn]

So, teammates ALWAYS must to wait ? Just want to know, in higher m+ is it a problem, or people wait for aggro ?

[sick sentinel]

don't forget to bind your 4 minute taunt everything button too

[steady aspen]

2sec will be enough but dmn all out cd usage starts 0,1s after charge lands

[sick sentinel]

just incase you need it because tons of adds

[patent cairn]

Ye I have it, but 99% times, ppl engage after me

[haughty meteor]

I find that I need to hit em with revenge to even have a chance of keeping threat. People usually blast the pack while i try to stack em up for 2-3s for revenge cleave.

During this time i tc and demo.

[sick sentinel]

i'm showing as 900-1.4k dps on boss fights

[patent cairn]

I agree, but sometimes I need to blast some defensives to live, if pack is hardhitting

[steady aspen]

And ppl doing it every pull and cant see tha they only slow us down

[sick sentinel]

in that theatre of pain 0

i got the mists of T weapon mythic 0 184 haste vers and put the enchant that makes you do 6% more dmg sometimes

seems to be working out for me i guess

i don't feel many issues with aggro unless group engages early in a way that i am not typical ready for it.

[steady aspen]

Ant thats why im running atm with drroar+ravager+spear. Much easier snap agro

[sick sentinel]

i like storm bolt way too much to give it up

[steady aspen]

Not in same tier

[azure dock]

atm how is ITF vs UF?

ITF for surv, UF for dmg?

and ravager for more?

[sick sentinel]

ravager gives huge rage

and it follows shit around

[azure dock]

yeah ive been using rav, it just feels icky on higher keys, (8ish) and doesnt really line up well with TL

was considering trying either UF or ITF

[nimble drift]

Rav always, ITF in raid

[sick sentinel]

TL?

[steady aspen]

Tlord?

[sick sentinel]

legendary?

[azure dock]

yah

[steady aspen]

Was running in NW an on Last boss got throwed in balcany because warloks cbolt landed before charge

[sick sentinel]

i still didnt unlock any legendary yet

i got 2 in bag

[astral crystal]

no prot changes rip

[sweet summit]

10% threat :)

[torn gulch]

well i still lose aggro against retri palas

because reasons

[zinc pasture]

Did we need any changes?

I like the extra that. Otherwise, aren't we ok?

[gusty sable]

Where shld i Report smthng like signet not working for prot with ravager..in game or better on their homepage

[hollow bolt]

would like dsomething for rage gen, kinda feels like im at 100 or 0 right now

[sweet summit]

@gusty sable thats intended it seems

we dont need anything tbh, prot is very solid atm

rage gen feels fine for start of xpac

[earnest sable]

prot warriors are @£@§§@@ atm

period

[patent cairn]

If I take ravager, what should I pick as last talent ?

[weary notch]

Usually bolster

[patent cairn]

( for m+)

[weary notch]

bolster for survivability, AM for DPS

[lavish summit]

how weren't prot warriors buffed

[patent cairn]

Is it good for 4+ myth ?

[weary notch]

Trying to figure out how to optimize CD usage with BV, UF and Spear of Bastion, should it be TC -> Ava -> Demo -> TC -> Spear

Should be fine, Zan, but make sure to check the pins. That's all covered in the wowhead and icy-veins guides

[patent cairn]

Icy veins is my home 😄 Just wanted to know from ppl here. Maybe something changed etc.

[weary notch]

nope. That's the standard DPS build

[civic rover]

go ravager

[marsh shale]

+ravager

[vivid sentinel]

Do people use DPS or tank trinkets for m+?

[civic rover]

generally in lower keys you'll see people using haste/dps trinkets because there isn't a need for defensive trinkets at those levels.

[kindred comet]

Spear warrior shouldn't need ravager...but its very helpful if you are running condemn a warrior

[civic rover]

when you want to switch to a defensive build isn't something we can decide for you, you'll know when you're going to want to go more defensive as you progress in content.

[somber sky]

sadly i'm a condemn warrior so I am running rav :<

[civic rover]

i mean, ITF isn't worth it anymore and UF isn't great because thunderclap doesn't do much damage anyway

no reason not to go ravager regardless of covenant

[lusty ember]

10% threat buff HYPE

[weary notch]

you definitely want BM + UF if you have the thunderlord leggo

[civic rover]

no you dont

[steel mauve]

untrue, ravager is still better with thunderlords

[civic rover]

it's just not worth passing up the rage generation

[somber sky]

I'm getting pulls where I end up with 8+ seconds of no mitigation (all def on CD and sub 10 rage). In those moments, I am also unable to escape lieutenant mobs. What do I do?

[civic rover]

when you're about to hit that point, it sounds counter intuitive, just leap away

[somber sky]

I've had 5 deaths in the past week because everything's on CD

[civic rover]

sometimes the best decision is just run in a circle like a headless chicken for 10 seconds while shit comes back off.

[steel mauve]

kite well, kiting itself is defensive

ive lept away when i had nothing left and hauled ass

[somber sky]

like in necrotic wake, I just can't survive the tenderize at all.

died to both the mobs because of 4 tenderize stacks

[civic rover]

it's a combination of adjusting to the different playstyle, target capping, and new dungeons.

this first season overall is just a trip tbh

[glossy stone]

Isn’t Tenderize dispellable?

[somber sky]

no

[civic rover]

along with the dungeons not exactly being warrior friendly LOL

[glossy stone]

Ah, must be thinking of a diff rebuff

Debuff

[somber sky]

tenderize is the 15% increased damage debuff

[glossy stone]

Ah yeah. That’s a real bitch

I would thunder clap then leap and run like a bitch

[steel mauve]

dont think ive done necrotic wake but could be an issue of killing the mobs before you die, or at least killing one before you go down

[somber sky]

The first one, I ran through 2 SB, 1 LS, 1 rally and then flatline. The second bloke, I just didn't have enough CD to stay alive even through kiting since that fatty can run like an Olympic runner.

[honest plinth]

nw is fine

dos is fucking retarded

caster packs with 5 of them

[somber sky]

don't get me started x.x

[honest plinth]

and 1 big shadow mini zul

[civic rover]

and it happens to drop a good tank trinket

[glossy stone]

Warriors seem to be getting the short end of the stick atm too

[honest plinth]

yep 😦

[glossy stone]

Not that it’s unplayable. I refilled from prot pally so I’m a tad behind also

[somber sky]

The healer from dratnos' team was talking about how his tank was dying every pull lol.

exaggeration but still.

[honest plinth]

i mean its hard time for tanks rn

not just warrror

[civic rover]

all the tanks are having issues lol

[glossy stone]

Eh there are Wars clearing 15s so. Can’t be that bad? Lol

[somber sky]

then again it's the 3rd week so there's literally no gear for most people maybe?

[civic rover]

all the tanks are weak to magic damage by design, and these dungeons are loaded with casters and bleed effects.

all the tanks feel it

[honest plinth]

ye i died few times like in 1 gcd 😄

[somber sky]

I hope we scale monstrously like in bfa :<

[deft vortex]

I wont lie, that threat buff is gonna feeling nice for prot warrior

[somber sky]

season 2 bfa to be specific :)

[glossy stone]

At least Pally can block Magic though.

[civic rover]

it'll be nice for all of the tanks but i don't think it was necessary. people just need to learn to adjust. tanks need to understand how target capped they are and pull based off of it, and dps need to chill tf out because tanks take a little longer to generate threat.

with a talent, and it's a % chance iirc.

[glossy stone]

When is the threat buff?

Ate it is a talent

[civic rover]

all the tanks have certain tools to counter magic damage, but in the end they're all weak to it.

[wicked lantern]

It’d also help if hunters and rogues remembered they have Misdirect 😑

[civic rover]

and it's been this way since bfa prepatch i think?

[glossy stone]

True.

[kindred comet]

Better off letting dps tank some caster mobs....let your boomy cook

[civic rover]

this is one of those times where i consider myself pretty lucky i have a consistent group i run with because pugging right now looks like a shit show LOL

[dense pivot]

Classes Tank Specializations Threat generation for all Tanks increased by 10%

aayyyyy

[sweet surge]

should be higher even, but whatevs 🐒

[patent cairn]

Can I read somewhere, what spells im m+ are reflectable ?

[wicked lantern]

Check pins

[patent cairn]

thanks

[undone jacinth]

You guys are having problems with threat??

you should play bear haha

nice change though

[sturdy salmon]

guys a little question what is the best legendary for tank war?

m+

[undone jacinth]

demo shout reduction one ez

[tawdry spade]

so is it just me or is our damage just terrible compared to paladins/monks/dh rn?

[undone jacinth]

nope dmg is good

but it will depend on content ofc

[tawdry spade]

i feel like i don't have enough rage to maintain defensives and put out good dmg atm

maybe i just need more haste

[undone jacinth]

Since I started using the ravager last stand build I haven’t had any issues

with double charge

[plain vapor]

Bros, just did a dos 10

That shit was hard as fuck

[undone jacinth]

gz

[tawdry spade]

n1

[plain vapor]

Didnt even time it

[tawdry spade]

feels like the timer is hard to beat in that one

[plain vapor]

Not a fun dungeon to run on fort

[undone jacinth]

yeh the robots are a mess

and the caster packs are disgusting

[plain vapor]

Inner circle adds were the worst

[undone jacinth]

which are they

[tawdry spade]

the ones who cast the purple swirlies

[plain vapor]

All the different undead

[undone jacinth]

Yeh that’s the caster pack to me

Horrific

[pliant sage]

I see the buffs for arms and fury, any changes for Prot?

[undone jacinth]

threat

[tawdry spade]

just the 10% threat

[pliant sage]

+10%?

[undone jacinth]

Ye

[pliant sage]

:D

[undone jacinth]

Hopefully it at least stops us from losing threat instantly after taunting

[oak quarry]

Hello there

[pliant sage]

I hope it helps with snap threat in 5mans

Hi Jerocho

[placid oar]

Morning guys, sorry if this is repeated but can’t anyone kindly advise how to know if I’m playing my warrior correctly in raids? Am new to raid tanking and don’t really know how to read tanking logs. Thank you

[oak quarry]

to push big keys in mm+ what do you think are the best stats right now to follow ?

[tawdry spade]

losing threat is the worst feeling

[undone jacinth]

Warrs at least have something they can do about it, my bear is just helpless

gotta watch my guys die

[pliant sage]

Stats are pretty similar right now with DR. Best to sim yourself, also remember that sims really only tell you offense

[sturdy salmon]

sry guys for asking this but what conduits are the best now?

[tawdry spade]

when i play my vengeance it's annoying when dps blast on the pull

[undone jacinth]

u kyrian?

[tawdry spade]

nah it's venthyr

otherwise decree is just insta aggro forever

[undone jacinth]

yeah the kyrian is free threat basically

[tawdry spade]

i imagine

[undone jacinth]

I play with a fire mage and if he combusts on pull it’s just over

I just have to vortex and hope he realises

[pliant sage]

I like the Kyrian ability but I picked Necro for the style

[tawdry spade]

yeah i had that when i ran with a mage

[undone jacinth]

I picked necro on DH too haha

[tawdry spade]

i went venthyr because i play havoc too but didn't realise havoc was total shit

when i chose

[pliant sage]

Banner is surprisingly helpful for melee btw. Giving Crit to rogues and other warriors is nice

[undone jacinth]

it just got buffed but yeah it’s so toilet

Ah u meant Prot, yeah I wanted to but the 3min cd...

Like how is that thing 3min

[tawdry spade]

also wanted a diff covenenant experience

[pliant sage]

I'm aware it's bad but Necro looks cool.

[undone jacinth]

oh it’s awesome

I just wish it was at least 2min

[tawdry spade]

necro plate set is almost enough reason to pick it alone

[pliant sage]

The set and the mounts sold me.

I should have gone Kyrian but damnit I don't want to rp a mind wiped pally.

[undone jacinth]

I just want that juicy kyrian potion

[pliant sage]

Psh, I have a second Last Stand that doesn't interact with talents. #winning

[echo bough]

Thinking about converting to Prot. Maybe I will be slightly less soul-crushed for groups. Am Fury now and it is rough out there

[neat root]

Prot isnt much better dog

Unless you hate threat, then prot is the place to be.

[naive panther]

Grats on dead last boys

[sturdy salmon]

conduits for kyrins war tank pls only m+

[echo bough]

Big ripperoni

[sick sentinel]

sanguine depths 2nd boss is the pug breaker

[sudden kayak]

i cant hold aggro with venthyr should i go kyrian for that aoe thingy

[undone jacinth]

ravager demo thunderclap should be enough for aggro

[sudden kayak]

kk im guna try to change my rotation

[undone jacinth]

u just have to open with it

[steep wraith]

I can't imagine playing without spear.

[undone jacinth]

If u wait like one or two gcds at the start u will lose aggro

It’s a nightmare

[sudden kayak]

im just going to reroll kyrian

lol

[undone jacinth]

yeah I’m gonna do it soon for the potion I think

[wintry jetty]

I'm holding until wednesday to chose :p

[pliant sage]

:( basically feels like 'be pally or suck' right now for tanks

[civic rover]

i mean

no

all the tanks feel pretty fuckin good

[amber eagle]

im shit/new to warrior, but tried blood a bit and quickly noticed why i prefer warr. also having shockwave(+night fae aftershock), storm bolt makes things much easier with threat+hard interrupts

[undone jacinth]

can confirm bear and DH both feeling super good

[wintry jetty]

[With regional restarts] Threat generation for all Tanks increased by 10%.

[rotund willow]

Do we think we will see any covenant changes at this point? Trying to decide if I should swap before reset or hold out

[sudden kayak]

leiron you saying on reset this upcoming there going to give more threat to all the tanks

[undone jacinth]

Yup

[sudden kayak]

nice nice

[wintry jetty]

it's in hotfixes from yesterday

but regional restart change :p

[amber eagle]

is thunderlord basically required for m+ or are there any valid alternatives?

miss not being able to spec ravager and roar

[novel temple]

now if we could get a thunder clap buff

[wintry jetty]

nothing further for prot so far

[novel temple]

and yeah

thunderlord op op for prot in m+

[amber eagle]

how much overall dps are people averaging as prot? in 190ish range?

[novel temple]

1.5k+ i would say

thats what im doing on longer fights

or on fights where a dps dies

[amber eagle]

surprised to see vengeance dmg not being nerfed. friend had some 5k overall last run