protection

[open monolith]

TL it is then 🙂

[glacial skiff]

i guess i have more farming to do to get the recipe lol

[open monolith]

you should get it fairly quickly now that heroic dungeons have no lockouts

[glacial skiff]

So with TC being less important, do we still want to take crackling thunder?

[open monolith]

Heck yes.

The range on crackling thunder is so god damned convenient

[glacial skiff]

i see the extra slow being worthwhile, but the range doesn't really matter to me

[open monolith]

I honestly don't even know what the other 2 talents on that row are

[glacial skiff]

bounding and menace (which is pointless imo)

[signal plover]

Bounding stronk

[open monolith]

Bounding is fun

but crackling i believe has more simple utility in m+

[glacial skiff]

yeah i like bounding, but menace is so dumb

[open monolith]

I'd take bounding in a raid

[signal plover]

Crackling very overrated since TC dam is low imo

[open monolith]

it's not about the damage, IMO

it's about being able to grab larger groups of mobs more spread out more easily

and the extra kite power

[glacial skiff]

i really wish prot had the piercing howl though

like why would they give us whirlwind over that lol

[signal plover]

Bounding v crackling is personal pref no point in arguing it

[glacial skiff]

i think someone at blizz just really hates warriors

whoever designed them this expac

they were tired of prot being the m+ king and also said fuck dps warriors as well

[open monolith]

Fury and maybe arms will very likely receive buffs in the tuning patch

people keep bitching so much about prot that we might get buffs, though I don't believe we need them

oh they nerfed lady darkvein

neat

[glacial skiff]

kinda surpirsed they didn't nerf or adjust/fix sludge

[open monolith]

I think they want sludge to be the DPS check gate keeper

though I have heard that they need to make certain visuals on that fight more obvious, something about the poop being too similar in appearance to the normal floor

[signal plover]

It's pretty obvious when you see it in a photo, but in the thick of the fight it gets lost a bit. And the edges are a bit too soft.

[open monolith]

I like AOEs in FFXIV.

HARD orange CIRCLE. SEE CIRCLE? CIRCLE BAD.

[signal plover]

I think there's also some scaling issues with the amount of puddles that spawn at larger raid sizes but that is just a suspicion

[open monolith]

I am willing to bet that is true, based on some of the hotfixes

such as the huntsman arrow scaling nerf

and number of gluttonous miasma clouds

[signal plover]

That and the puddles aren't targeted on players but random in the vicinity of players AND he spawns ones near middle of room with each pillar break

[open monolith]

We must have had a weird number of people in our pug, because I got the gluttonous miasma ring a couple of times while tanking.

and I don't think tanks are supposed to

[signal plover]

Were ppl dead?

[open monolith]

like, 1 dps

I think we did 2/3/8 or something

idk

what is the "correct" number of people to use these days

I don't like the idea of massive 30 man pugs

[signal plover]

2/3/9 is always pretty safe imo

(I don't pug tho kek)

We run 26 for our team

[strong forum]

90% of things in wow are this aswell

It's just insane that people inherently don't just sidestep

It's a 2nd nature, especially if you played arpgs / pvp

I see thing? I get out of thing

[open monolith]

Yeah, some of the swirly circles are... "soft"

[vale orchid]

how is aggro as prot atm?

[dense umbra]

people running the wall or thunderlord?

[open monolith]

Aggro is fine

Wall for raids, TL for m+

[dense umbra]

aggro fine..would be nice if hunters misdirected and rogues did TotT

[worthy ingot]

Wall so good with my groups dps fights last long enough to get 4 SWs out

[strong forum]

Sounds like Kaelthas

Or Denathrius

[restive flax]

Kaelthas is so goddamn annoying

[strong forum]

It's just sleep...

[restive flax]

I just cant get aggro from anything even if I want to

[strong forum]

🤔

[mellow patio]

That fight is just the Wild West

Just stand there and aoe

[restive flax]

I mean I do... but I have a pally cotank...

[mellow patio]

Taunt priority target. Do nothing else

[restive flax]

And if he is getting his teeth kicked in I wanna get some shit off of him

[strong forum]

There's like 0 tank dmg

[restive flax]

hes a paladin...

[mellow patio]

As long as the bleed doesn’t stack up to like 6 you’re good

[strong forum]

I just ran around in circles

Gathering mobs

[mellow patio]

That is the play

[strong forum]

Yeah like..

[mellow patio]

On hc if vanquisher isn’t taunted he can eat your lunch at 4-5 stacks but other than that it’s a joke

I literally just mark the vanquisher and scream taunt

[strong forum]

Usso taunta

[restive flax]

I dont have any issues tanking stuff there

defensively

[mellow patio]

So what seems to be the problem then

[restive flax]

With nothing hitting me in melee I'm massively rage starved sometimes and I dont get why. no rage -> no aoe aggro

its such a weird fight

I run devastator, BV, indom, ravager and bolster

[mellow patio]

Aoe taunt like a chad

[restive flax]

even with aggro.. doesnt basically every mob in there hardcast something

[sick sentinel]

lots of early quitters and getting invited to half finished dungeons

as of this week.

[restive flax]

as of this week? that was always like it

with lego drops

[sick sentinel]

it has been super like that for me recently

[open monolith]

imagine getting killed by a vanquisher when you have Phial of Serenity

[sick sentinel]

enter LFG first boss down, do 2 mythics, that goes good, try another, group on 2nd boss, quit out that one, do another mythic sucessful, try to do mists healer quits at first

is it just everyone scrambling to get mythic/heroic level dungeon trinkets?

[spark mulch]

mostly yeah

[open monolith]

probably a healthy number of people still trying to get legendary memories

boss doesn't drop it = leave

[spark mulch]

or the boss does drop it and they leave aswell

[sick sentinel]

i tried torghast lvl 1 floor 3 about 3 times now everytime take too long or something giant fucker comes and 1 shots me

[open monolith]

oh... really?

[jagged pier]

your doing something wrong

torghast is really fuking ez as prot

[sick sentinel]

so, i'm really not understanding things in ither dungeons or torghast and as a result, not having fun atm

goal right now is to do mythic world tour, and however much torghast i can

[spark mulch]

how is your gear?

[sick sentinel]

170 abouts

[jagged pier]

sratch that talents and covenant and rotation?

[sick sentinel]

potion + avatar > charge + ravager/spear, minor defensive, rotation

[open monolith]

Yeah even at 170 Prot can pretty easily clear Level 6 Torghast

[sick sentinel]

trinkets are ass

[jagged pier]

'minor defensive'?

[sick sentinel]

constant use defensive, SB, IP demo

SR

[open monolith]

Opener should be:
Charge -> Avatar mid Charge -> shield slam (shield block) -> Demo shout (ignore pain) -> Spear / Ravager into rotation

add in a Tclap or revenge if you need snap AOE aggro

but that's irrelevant, your opener isn't what's stopping you from clearing

Level 1 of Torghast can be done with a 130...

[jagged pier]

after your pull what rotation do you follow if you know?

[sick sentinel]

i've always been bad with tank rotation

idea is that you suppose to put up demo, sb and ip, and spam TC and SS, ugh, i'd have to look it up exact again

[open monolith]

Avatar and Demo Shout on cooldown
Spear on cooldown
Ravager on cooldown
Shield Slam on cooldown
Tclap on Cooldown
Revenge (if it is free)

^ that's your priority list.

please note Demo Shout on CD assumes you are using Booming Voice (which you should be)

[sick sentinel]

also clicking, i was bad for clicking still am

[native coyote]

never had problems with solo Torghast except the occasional over pull and not paying attention on the 6th floor boss. it should be easy mode as prot

[sick sentinel]

is it if you die the giant comes or is it time?

[jagged pier]

die to many times

click probably is an issue as you wont move from mechanics and die

[lusty marsh]

The amount of rogues dipping after 1st boss in theatre was insane last night when I was spamming normals for runes

[open monolith]

yogi, I promise what I'm about to say isn't meant to be an insult, but it sounds to me like what you're missing isn't Prot Warrior 101, but general game mechanics 101

[sick sentinel]

it could be, i think my gaming skill has regressed over the years

[open monolith]

I've got a friend who just started WoW and PC gaming a couple of months ago. He can't get his head around pressing hot keys and keeping the GCD rolling.

Are you new to WoW?

[sick sentinel]

13k achievements i think

[open monolith]

That's... not an answer to that question

[sick sentinel]

played paladin to lvl 60 in vanilla but he got hacked and deleted

then a rogue vanilla to end of cata

then a warrior

[jagged pier]

the best thing it seems you can do it move to keybinds you wont be so focused on your cursor, and that comes from a former clicker, the best way or the only way i found i could do it is slow, just keybind one spell, and get used to pressing it then another etc etc, it takes time but it works

then once you have that covered you can keep your eyes in the middle of the screen

[open monolith]

~ 1-4, Q E F R Z X C + shift and alt variants for all of those are my go-to keybinds.

[jagged pier]

you might have a clear ui but if your clicking your eye will always be on your bar

[sick sentinel]

this is what my ui looks like the small trinket bar to right is what i click mostly

[open monolith]

take whirlwind off your bar, lol

[jagged pier]

also that

[open monolith]

you know what would help you a lot?

Weak Auras.

Makes it so you can see all your cooldowns / resources wherever you want, rather than on your hotbar

[sick sentinel]

i know there is a science behind making the WA the right size and color

[jagged pier]

thats would literally be the same as putting his bar in the middle of the screen sock

[open monolith]

https://wago.io/SkBHabbrQ
That's the one I like

I keep it right below the center of the screen, like under my character's feet if I zoom in a bit

That way I can see all the fight mechanics while watching my CDs / rage

[cobalt grove]

I'm not seeing charge on your bar, might just be me though

[open monolith]

it's the intervene macro

#4 i think

[sick sentinel]

yeh

[cobalt grove]

Yeah I saw intervene, just want sure if it was a macro or not

[sick sentinel]

bars are still really bad cant lie

[open monolith]

one of the best things you can do to practice is go find a target dummy

and mash the fuck out of your buttons without having to look at them or click them

when learning a DPS class, I sometimes sit at a dummy for 30 minutes to an hour just committing all of my buttons to memory

muscle memory is so strong that I can pick up a class I haven't played in years (as I often take long breaks) and instinctively press certain hotkeys without even consciously knowing what that ability is lol

[native coyote]

how much more incoming damage is there in early mythic+s compared to heroics? is it a big step?

[open monolith]

significantly

[sick sentinel]

Can you shield block shoot from huntsman?

[open monolith]

Yes

[leaden steeple]

is brutal vitality conduit worth it over potency slot?

at 5.2%

[jagged pier]

depends on covenant

[leaden steeple]

necro

[jagged pier]

yes then imo

you should have 2 conduits by now though

[leaden steeple]

yeah but 2nd is finesse

[jagged pier]

sucks to be necro even more then XD

[open monolith]

You want my opinion on brutal vitality?

it's garbage.

For any difficult content, anyway

[jagged pier]

its good in m+

[open monolith]

in like a +3, sure

[leaden steeple]

and unnerving focus or fueled by violence?

[open monolith]

in a +7, your IP gets slapped off in 2 seconds, there isn't enough time to put any damage into the shield

honestly none of our endurance conduits are super amazing right now. I use Fueled by violence just because it is constant, consistent healing.

It's not a lot, but it is there.

[weak flax]

hi, someone has a pawn string for warrior protection for mm+ ?

[chilly brook]

No

[jagged pier]

no

[chilly brook]

Delete that addon

[jagged pier]

get simc

[chilly brook]

Stop using trash that lies to you

[jagged pier]

and sim yourself

[weak flax]

but sim is not about survivability... no ?

[dense pivot]

pawn

[ionic fern]

Neither is pawn.

[jagged pier]

90% of surviability comes from play not stats maybe even more

[modern brook]

If u want

I can just spit some floating numbers at you whenever you get a new piece

its probably about as accurate

[weak flax]

yeah well I really like a sheet of paper right now with my tank in mm+ event if I dodge everything or use cd when I have too...

[modern brook]

then use the shield :^)

[weak flax]

that's not very constructive...

[jagged pier]

nither is talking about dodge

[modern brook]

so the problem with "I feel squishy"

is that it gives me nothing to go on

other than

[ionic fern]

Do you have any logs?

[modern brook]

"well idont"

So more than likely you're probably misusing your shieldblock

[calm whale]

As far as stats go just go ilvl with haste/vers no?

[modern brook]

or overprioritizing IP

ilvl >>haste >verse>=crit

[jagged pier]

ilvl >>>>>>>>> haste >>>>> vers>=crit > mastery

[chilly brook]

That's all you have to know

Pawn does you no favors

Just jot that down

Then use your abilities to prevent damage and ez

[jagged pier]

can we pin that message had to say it alot today

[modern brook]

feeling squishy is most likely a byproduct of a) shitty dps not doing what they need to b) misprioritization of rotational mitigation c) not using cds properly

[weak flax]

ok for pawn got it, just another question , what about mastery ?

[modern brook]

its a stat 🤷‍♂️

[chilly brook]

It's a cool dps stat

[modern brook]

you dont look for it

[jagged pier]

look above

[chilly brook]

But like last in your survivability

But that's not to say it's bad

[jagged pier]

ilvl >>>>>>>>> haste >>>>> vers>=crit > mastery

[calm whale]

Speaking of dps not being overly on point (given stuff is still kind of new) anyone else feel like they have to spend a lot of time kiting?

[chilly brook]

No

[jagged pier]

nope

[wispy tundra]

yes in higher keys

[modern brook]

If damage isnt there yeah

[chilly brook]

Granted I've not done anything over an 8 so far

Been too busy

[calm whale]

Yeah I'm still hovering in 7 and 8 range

[modern brook]

In my experience

[calm whale]

My dps are pretty low too so that might just be it

[weak flax]

hum and regarding threat, no one has issue with taht ? or you all team with hunt / rogue for misdirection ?

[modern brook]

People that are saying m+ is overtuned (in the 7-8 range) are just straight ignoring the interupt button and any form of cc

[ionic fern]

No issues so far without rogues/hunters.

[modern brook]

Only threat issues you should have are overly excited mages

[calm whale]

^

[ionic fern]

People are stating those things because they are unfamiliar with the dungeons/mechanics.

[weak flax]

or palaret 😂

[jagged pier]

same as mwahi with threat

[modern brook]

if they pop shit before you can actually hit things you're gunna spend most of the pull chasing stuff

[modern brook]

yeah but i mean like I did a 8 theatre where we died on every pull with a magus in it

cause no one else was kicking 😦

[chilly brook]

I haven't really had any threat issues

[modern brook]

and they say "its over tuned"

my guy kick yellow

[chilly brook]

If I have my stuff up I'm pumping

[ionic fern]

That was exactly my point.

....

[calm whale]

Frost mages getting excited with their glacial shatter legendary smh

[modern brook]

OH we're agreeing

I thought you were giving an excuse

:^(

my b

[calm whale]

Oh yeah necrotic wake between 1st and 2nd boss is pretty brutal eh?

[modern brook]

the caster pull is mean

[lusty marsh]

Only that 4 caster pack

But anima orb is great there

[modern brook]

another place that your dps need to like ctually play 😦

[open monolith]

is spell reflect a general warrior ability, or just a prot ability

[modern brook]

kicks on cd make that pull so much more bareable

general now

was unpruned for sl

[open monolith]

@calm whale Not if you do it right. You can skip basically everything hard, including the mini boss

Necrotic wake is the 2nd easiest m+, I think

with the route I use, anyway

[calm whale]

Skip with rogue?

[ionic fern]

It CAN be easy if you don't pug.

Anything is hard if you pug.

[open monolith]

I exclusively pug, Mwahi

🙂

[ionic fern]

JEah, so do i.

And the majority of people suck

And dont interrupot.

:)=

[open monolith]

You need either rogue or priest to skip the mini boss, King

[lusty marsh]

No?

[calm whale]

Ah okay

No rogue players in my groups :/

[modern brook]

smh

[open monolith]

Try to grab a priest then, mind soothe is amazing this expac

[calm whale]

For sure

[open monolith]

Mind soothe is basically shroud with no cooldown lol

[lusty marsh]

You can just hug the boss platform and dodge the patrolling bonescythe.

[modern brook]

different skip rod

[open monolith]

Rodarn it's easier if you actualyl hug the outside

[lusty marsh]

Oh my b

[open monolith]

And we're not talking abotu the same thing

so

[calm whale]

Get % at the start then yeah?

[lusty marsh]

Wait it is

[open monolith]

King if you give me like 10 minutes

[modern brook]

they're talking about the caster pull before u cross the bridge

[open monolith]

I will prepare for you the NW route I use

[lusty marsh]

Ah

[open monolith]

which gets you 100% almost exactly

and skips every hard pull in the dungeon that you can reasonably skip

requiring mind soothe or shroud just for the 1 mini boss

gimme a few minutes, I'll prepare it for you

[calm whale]

Word

[open monolith]

we +2d my NW +7 key using this route

[calm whale]

Much appreciated

[open monolith]

which is where I got my DOS 9

in a pug

[lusty marsh]

OH OH

Did you guys see the change to tenderize

[open monolith]

yeah

that is nice

because that shit started hurting REAL bad LOL

had to leap out a couple times

[calm whale]

Oooo what change?

[lusty marsh]

It has a 15 yard range now

[calm whale]

Bless

[lusty marsh]

But always hits closest

If I read it correctly

[calm whale]

I'll take it lol

[lusty marsh]

So I guess we are dropping stacks by having a poor melee defensive it.

[rancid ember]

Will it prio a pet if the pet doesnt taunt and is closest?

[lusty marsh]

I don't think pets get targeted by single target abilities if they aren't tanking. But I'm no expert.

[calm whale]

I'm willing to sacrifice lazy dks that won't interrupt or grip

[chilly brook]

I'm willing to sacrifice my own DK

Plz

Someone open up my character select screen and hit delete

[modern brook]

I'll do it just give me your password :^)

[chilly brook]

K lemme PM you

[modern brook]

❤️

[sick sentinel]

well, i succesfully completed that fairy dungeon on mythic

[open monolith]

@calm whale https://wago.io/CpWQGIxzI

That is my NW route

[sick sentinel]

got 184 haste vers axe

[open monolith]

0 hard trash pulled

pull more / less at once - whatever is comfortable for you

the big notes are: ignore the big pack in the middle of the first area. Mind soothe / shroud the miniboss before the bridge. Hug the outside of the area outside the bridge.

[sick sentinel]

this one includes damage from the first boss drop last night, but thats all

did a normal fairy dungeon right now

[modern brook]

@open monolith how are the prideful timers on thaT?

[sick sentinel]

nvm not a good sample

[open monolith]

I'll be honest Bullfango, I didn't mess with Prideful

Mostly because I haven't done Necro Wake above 7 yet

I will be doing NW +10 on Sunday, though

I'll let you know how it goes.

[modern brook]

I only ask cause i know a lot of the dopier decisions in pathing is due to making sure prideful happens at a useful time

like in DOS theres an idea to clear 2 floors of the ring before doing any of them

[open monolith]

It looks like you can get Prideful right before 1st boss if you pull a little differently than the order I posted.

[modern brook]

yeah probably

honestly waiting for better players to tell me what to do wrt pathing

my brain is too aerodynamic to come up with anything particularly fancy

[chilly brook]

Ngl

Idk how to feel

2 nights in and we on sludgefist normal

[halcyon tartan]

Hi there, I'm not sure I can post this here but I'll give it a try. I'm currently beginning prot warrior, I'm venthyr (my main spec is fury) and I don't have my legendary yet. Is 181 ilevel too few to tag MM+2?

I keep getting nearly onshotted no matter what :/. I'm spamming shield block and ignore pain but I quickly run out of defensive cooldowns and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong :/

[open monolith]

181 is fine for a m+2

I tanked a +9 at 183

[halcyon tartan]

well do there must really be something wrong with me then 😛

[open monolith]

Without reading a log or watching you play, there is no telling exactly what you're doing wrong

could be: group group doesn't interrupt

your healer is bad

your dps is bad

you are bad

so many options!

🙂

lol

[civic rover]

my problem is im a monkey

[open monolith]

Make sure you're rolling Shield Block and not blowing both charges at the same time

Make sure you aren't prioritizing ignore pain over shield block

[halcyon tartan]

haha I didn't want to link logs or anything because I didn't really know what I could post here. I read the guides, but what could I provide here that could help people help me.

[open monolith]

make sure you're running Bolster, not Anger Management

Bolster is your defensive choice in the last tier, Anger management is for when you don't need the survivability that bolster provides

[halcyon tartan]

Ah, this might be a first issue. I'm running anger management (and devastator in tier 1)

[open monolith]

Having Condemn for m+ also hurts you quite a bit

as it is.... really really bad for tanking multiple mobs

devastator is great

[halcyon tartan]

oh... Well then it was the "you are bad" option then 😄

[chilly brook]

Devastator is the best option tbh

[open monolith]

Warrior's biggest weakness is that it is extremely punishing with suboptimal play.

[chilly brook]

Stop using condemn

[open monolith]

you have to do everything proactively, and do it well

vs a brewmaster where you can just stand there and go "haha stagger goes brrrrrrrrrrrr"

[chilly brook]

Dont waste rage on IP when you're going to overcap it

[lusty marsh]

but it feels so good when you do big mitigation.

[glossy stone]

How often do you guys find yourselves using Victory Rush?

[modern brook]

fwiw i heard this raid is much harder at a baseline than past raids

[chilly brook]

Don't shield block against casters

[restive flax]

@open monolith what benefit do you get from "rolling" sb? or do you mean that for mobs that dont necessarily attack all the time?

[lusty marsh]

When i can

[open monolith]

rolling SB means use it back to back when taking lots of physical damage

don't press it twice immediately

You shouldn't really sit on a shield block charge unless you have like, 1 - 2 mobs left that don't hit hard

keep that shit up.

Shield block = life.

[lusty marsh]

Dang active mit cap

[restive flax]

not sure what it changes if you press it back to back

[chilly brook]

You could potentially waste a charge?

[open monolith]

If you press it twice immediately I'm fairly certain you waste some of the buff time

[modern brook]

Honestly

[open monolith]

Like, most of one

[glossy stone]

I ask because I have Victory Rush on my middle mouse and find myself hardly hitting it. Think I’ll move it somewhere else because I hardly get a price that’s useful.

[modern brook]

"Nearly getting one shotted" is a mechanical issue

[chilly brook]

You dont

[modern brook]

not a rotational one

[open monolith]

Ah, I thought you did

[modern brook]

stop standingin things / get your dps to kick stuff

[chilly brook]

But hitting it twice doesnr mean the second one is completely effective

[open monolith]

Well, regardless you still shouldn't.

[lusty marsh]

I thought you did as well.

[chilly brook]

No

[open monolith]

yeah you should use it as needed, not just get both out willy nilly

you may entirely waste the 2nd charge.

[west coyote]

you guys going ravager/bolster or unstoppable force/anger management for M+ ?

[ionic fern]

Ravager/Bolster.

[chilly brook]

Active mitigation time cape is like 3.5x base duration

But you can ignore that by using bolster anyways

[restive flax]

okay yeah but if I know I'll be consistently getting hit in melee there is no dfference

[chilly brook]

Sure

[halcyon tartan]

Should I use my two big offensive CD "right away" ? I don't know the english translation for the spells it should be something like "last stand" and "protecting wall" . I tend to not use them often because they're long CD so I might not have them when I need them... But then again... If I get oneshotted by the first pack I might wanna use it more?

[modern brook]

Protecting wall is so much cooler than shield wall tbh

[restive flax]

😄

[open monolith]

if you can 100% guarantee that you will be consistently hit, a lot, and hard, for the full duration of 2 shield blocks, yes use them both immediately....
that being said, you can't guarantee that, and it is better to use one at a time.

[restive flax]

yeah sure

I just wasnt sure if I was missing something

[modern brook]

Wall and stand are used to supplement your block uptime and wall can also be used to mitigate large unavoidable damage intakes

[open monolith]

you weren't, I was wrong with one of my reasons why you shouldn't

but not wrong on the second reason :p

[torpid granite]

so what class would you say is best suited for the raid currently?

[modern brook]

a lot of prot warrior is doing homework on your fights

[restive flax]

[modern brook]

knowing what you can block, what you cant, when your cds are efficient etc

[lusty marsh]

Tinkerer

[open monolith]

Atlas are you in a world top 100 Mythic clear guild? If not: whatever class you like best

Prot warrior is amazing in the raid because SPELL REFLECT WORKS ON FUCKING EVERYTHING

(note: not actually everything)

[lusty marsh]

(But mostly everything)

[restive flax]

speaking about knowing pulls n shit... I hate the change for mutilate in necrotic wake....

[torpid granite]

im actually a tot 101 mythic guild

so im out

[open monolith]

peace.

[lusty marsh]

You mean tenderize?

[restive flax]

no

[modern brook]

🚪 ⬅️

[open monolith]

Why would you hate the change for mutilate

it's less damage lol

[lusty marsh]

Didn't mutilate just get a damage nerf?

[open monolith]

yes

[restive flax]

no?

[open monolith]

y....yes?

[lusty marsh]

I too hate taking less damage

[open monolith]

am I illiterate?

[calm whale]

Ooo thank you @open monolith

[restive flax]

it targets the closest melee if your not in range

[open monolith]

Tenderize now stacks to 4 (was 6) and Mutilate damage reduced by 8%.

oooh

[lusty marsh]

That's tenderize

[open monolith]

well 1 that's tenderize

I see what you're getting at though

harder to jump out

because you might gib a melee

[restive flax]

correct

[open monolith]

but it stacks less

and mutilate is weaker

so overall we shouldn't need to jump as much

[restive flax]

i have to reread that

[lusty marsh]

Tell that arms friend to die by his sword.

[restive flax]

I was 100% sure both changes were on mutilate

[open monolith]

nah I literally copy / pasted

Tenderize now stacks to 4 (was 6) and Mutilate damage reduced by 8%.

Kyrian Stitchwerk will now attack the closest player when its main target is out of range. Additionally, Tenderize now stacks to 4 (was 6) and Mutilate damage reduced by 8%.

[torpid granite]

prot is fun, i love being able to reflect shit

[open monolith]

So, yes, it is harder to kite Kyrian Stitchwerk

but it also hits less hard in general, so you shouldn't need to kite it quite as much

[lusty marsh]

So wait, are we all confused. Does it closest target all of its attacks?

[open monolith]

We are not confused.

[restive flax]

wowhead flags both abilities as anti kite so... do both of them hit melees?!

[glossy stone]

Prot is great. Switched from Prot Pally/Bear the past couple x packs to war in SL

[open monolith]

when its main target is out of range it will switch to whatever is closest.

[restive flax]

Yeah I know

[open monolith]

so if you have threat, and jump out, he's gonna melee whatever is close

including melee swings

that's how I read that.

[restive flax]

no I dont think it includes melee hits

[green fjord]

how does prot feel?

[lusty marsh]

Rip melee budies

[open monolith]

read it

[glossy stone]

I like it

[restive flax]

this is what Im referring to

[open monolith]

Wowhead notes are notes written by wowhead writers

read: morons

patch notes just state:
Kyrian Stitchwerk will now attack the closest player when its main target is out of range. Additionally, Tenderize now stacks to 4 (was 6) and Mutilate damage reduced by 8%.

[green fjord]

ive been seeing people say if they use rage to mitigate they loose threat. and if they use rage to keep threat they nearly die. idk i dont tank enough to really know how prot is doing

[chilly brook]

[open monolith]

it doesn't say "Will now use tenderize and mutilate"

[chilly brook]

tanknotes.com

[open monolith]

so, taken at face value from the patch notes

if you jump out, he's not following

This is why your MM hunter friend takes binding shot 🙂

and you roll with a shadow priest and elemental shaman, and ignore melee dps 😄

[restive flax]

MM hunters can be peoples friends?

[open monolith]

buh bff mains MM right now

and I fucking love it

pocket misdirect

huge pp dps

[restive flax]

LUL

[open monolith]

CC out the wazoo

purge and soothe

binding shot

Shaman and hunter are bae this expansion for m+

[restive flax]

I love shaman too^^

[open monolith]

My group, ideally, will always be Me, MM, a shaman, a priest

I like elemental, enhancement, and resto, so any of those

ideally, TWO SHAMAN

[lusty marsh]

My guild has been saying holy priest has felt amazing in m+ so far

I've only ran with druids.

[open monolith]

i roll with a shadow priest

I have my friend, the MM hunter, and I met a couple of guys that we are now rolling with, an elemental Shaman and shadow priest

so if I can just get a good healer... omg I won't have to pug anymore

[restive flax]

the only holy priest I was m+ with didnt heal much more than me...

[lusty marsh]

Make sure the healer is also down to arena and you are golden.

[open monolith]

Ew

PvP

I need a shower just reading that comment.

[lusty marsh]

Gear is gear

[open monolith]

I'll gladly go undergeared to never step foot in an arena or battleground

WoW PvP is anathema.

[lusty marsh]

PvP is half the reason I'm 184+ in every slot but neck.

Or was before raid.

[open monolith]

pass.

[lusty marsh]

To each their own.

I agree that bg's suck.

[restive flax]

Temple of Katmogu is fun

Pick up a ball -> kill people until the bg is over

[jolly spindle]

why is this so long cooldown

its actually so annoying

[lusty marsh]

You haven't become one with the wall yet

[open monolith]

Because Warriors have large swinging genitals that don't need no god damned cooldowns.

[jolly spindle]

there should be a talent that reduces this by shield bashing or something

[open monolith]

but really that CD is pretty long

[jolly spindle]

i literally have to use it for trash sometimes

[open monolith]

I mean, to quote The Great One: "You miss every opportunity to use shield wall that you don't take."

[lusty marsh]

Pretty sure trash is the place to use it.

Pull big or go home

[restive flax]

^

[jolly spindle]

it lasts for 8 sec

[modern brook]

is this a kappa or?

[open monolith]

Have you considered just like... being tankier?

[lusty marsh]

Yeah, smooth out the openening salvo.

Shield block covers the rest.

[open monolith]

Like... just take less damage, you know?

[jolly spindle]

idk prot war is hard

[open monolith]

That is a true statement.

[jolly spindle]

im struggling on m2

with 180ilvl

[open monolith]

Yes, most people playing warrior without a very solid grasp on the mechanics are

[lusty marsh]

Shield block>ignore pain

[jolly spindle]

tbh i am the wrong covenant i guess

[lusty marsh]

I don't even feel like I have a good grasp on it

[jolly spindle]

since im only playing prot cause no one wants a dps warrior as a pug

[open monolith]

Don't warrior, community perception on DPS warrior will change when they get buffed.

[lusty marsh]

Which cov? But covenant isn't why you can't to a 2 in 180 gear

[open monolith]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

[jolly spindle]

venthyr

[open monolith]

jk it won't.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

[jolly spindle]

i saw alot of people pick kyriana for prot

since u can purge urself

[lusty marsh]

I am a spear boy.

[open monolith]

All good boys are spear boys.

Edgelords who wants to DPS are vampires.

and then there are those weird furries that went NF

[lusty marsh]

12 seconds of interrupt is pretty sweet

[open monolith]

the stoner metal heads who eat by themselves at lunch who look like they are in an 80s hair band went necrolord

[jolly spindle]

and then the roleplayers that picked maldraxxus

[restive flax]

I mean people always say that the wrong covenant doesnt make or break your play. But kyrian or NF just give you so much more on a short cd that just makes your life easier

sure you CAN do it without their abilities etc

[lusty marsh]

Yeah the on demand rage is great.

[jolly spindle]

condemn would be great on prot

if it wouldnt cost range

[restive flax]

and if it was aoe

[lusty marsh]

For st sure

[open monolith]

i'm actually starting to unironically think: the wrong convenant will, in fact, break your play.

[jolly spindle]

the prevent sounds really useful

since it scales with venthyr

[open monolith]

Like, I honestly 100% couldn't imagine being a venthyr prot

[jolly spindle]

vers*

[open monolith]

the rage from spear is so god damned good

[restive flax]

see?

[lusty marsh]

Just imagine not having a cov

[jolly spindle]

u can use the door of shadows to kite a bit

[modern brook]

dont do that

[open monolith]

can you block or parry while casting?

[modern brook]

you cant block during the channel

[open monolith]

p sure the answer is no

[restive flax]

you can

lol

[jolly spindle]

you can't block?

[lusty marsh]

Which is why necro is so bad

[restive flax]

you can also dodge and parry guys 😉

[open monolith]

if you can, great

[modern brook]

necro is bad because banner doesnt do anything

[restive flax]

doesnt make the covenant good^^

[lusty marsh]

Well that too.

[jolly spindle]

banner should give haste

and be on ur character

[restive flax]

banner should be short cd and give rage

[modern brook]

the only cov who's special ability does anything worth while is kyrian

and necro but we pretend they dont exist

[jolly spindle]

if it gives haste then in theory it also gives rage

cause u attack faster

and since all of the specs use haste it would be useful

[restive flax]

yeah but... it would need to give you a lot of haste to make that really noticable

[jolly spindle]

i dont think any of the war specs even use crit now

[modern brook]

?

[jolly spindle]

maybe arms

[open monolith]

I mean

everyone uses crit

most don't prioritize it

but nobody looks at crit and goes, "no thanks"

[lusty marsh]

I had 77% haste in torghast last night. It didn't feel super insane.

Armaments are insane btw.

[jolly spindle]

i had the execute thing in torghast

where it does double damage

[restive flax]

fury can utilize the crit damage banner provides during recklessness windows

[jolly spindle]

idk im hoping warriors get buffed after mythic week

[open monolith]

I like this expansion, I really do. I really really do.... but gating the story behind power choices was a fucking god awful design decision

[restive flax]

yup

[jolly spindle]

i would be ok with it

if u could just swap without reseting all of ur progress

[open monolith]

I wish they would let us play through every covenant's campaign, while only pledging to one for the abilities

or, shit, other way around. Let us freely change the abilities but still pledge to one for story

one or the other, I don't care

[jolly spindle]

they'll have to

[open monolith]

I don't have hope that they will

I'm trying my best to play 4 classes eventually this expansion

one for each covenant, but I'm a filthy min maxer so it has to be a class that is good for said covenant

[jolly spindle]

ur gonna have

brain throttling

managing 4 alts

and playing all day

[modern brook]

alt management is a joke

[open monolith]

so far I have:
Venthyr Enhancement
Kyrian Prot

NF Survival

[restive flax]

elemental / resto shaman is awesome for necro 🙂

[open monolith]

Kek I only play like 3 days a week

and usually like, MAX 4 hours each

I have life responsibilities. I never play all day lol

[modern brook]

You can keep 4 alts updated literally on tuesday if you play after work till you go to bed

[open monolith]

unless my wife is at work and my mother wants to watch my daughter for a grandma day

THEN I no life hard

[jolly spindle]

idk i barely have time for my main

i was behind first mythic week

[open monolith]

I think my necrolord is either gonna be a mistweaver or shadow priest

[jolly spindle]

finally started doing m+ and my guild is clearing 8's

[modern brook]

I wanted my druid to be necrolord but holy shit is adaptive swarm lame

compared to FRIENDSHIP BEAMS and literally just every spell whatever

[jolly spindle]

that stuff looked so sad

for a covenant ability

[open monolith]

I really like Balance, but like... the only covenant I would ever go with my druid is shit in m+ 😦

[jolly spindle]

i like seeing druid kyrians

[open monolith]

I don't understand the kyrian druid ability

i've read the tool tip

i've read articles on it

and I still don't get it

[modern brook]

@open monolith

[jolly spindle]

i think its bugged

[modern brook]

you pick some one

and then you have a cd that makes you do a portion of eachothers damage

[jolly spindle]

or it only works on aa's

cause it doesnt do alot of dmg

but its a cool af idea

its like wisp from dota

[open monolith]

i read somewhere that it gives your partner an ability

[jolly spindle]

???

[open monolith]

do they get an extra action button?

[jolly spindle]

no lol

[open monolith]

thank christ.

more Wowhead being retarded.

[restive flax]

that was during mop

[open monolith]

okay so like. I give them a buff

[restive flax]

I think

[open monolith]

and once per minute I can empower it

and during that time, what happens exactly

[jolly spindle]

20% of their dmg should be arcane

or something

or 10%

[mossy acorn]

how relly bad is venthyr for tank??

[restive flax]

very really

[open monolith]

Single target? not horribly bad

AOE? very really bad

[mossy acorn]

but is tankable?

[open monolith]

I mean, sure.

You won't be amazing in m+

you won't be terrible just because you picked venthyr

but you will be objectively worse than a kyrian or night fae

[modern brook]

20% of your damage is put in a pool that is added to the targets damage, reduces the damage they take, or is added to their heals

[open monolith]

what the fuck

is added to a pool?

I understand the concept of 20% of my damage is added to a pool.

and what happens with that pool?

does it do damage for them?

does it add to MY dps?

does it only add to THEIR dps?

[modern brook]

It adds to their dps

you get a similar bonus though

[lusty marsh]

It's floating potato chip all over again

[modern brook]

you'reover thinking it

[open monolith]

so Kyrian pumps the random pug that I invite, but not myself?

fuck that, I'm going night fae.

[modern brook]

Both of you

You bond a nerd right?

then you empower the bond

and you get a bonus based on their role; and you give a bonus based on your role

since you're both dps cause hell yeah

you're both giving the other 20% of your damage into a pool that will be added to the others attacks

[open monolith]

okay so I do 1000 damage

200 of that is added to a "pool"

how is that damage then applied

and over what amount of time

and does that damage ever "disappear"

or is it always 100% applied

PROT WARRIOR DISCORD BY THE WAY

[modern brook]

i give up sock ur unteachable with all these questions

just say yah ok i get it and get it 😠

||this is sarcasm btw||

[open monolith]

Are you sure it isn't because you don't know how to answer it :p

[modern brook]

Bro i dont play warrior cause i got a 1600 on my SATs if you know what im saying

[open monolith]

LOL

[modern brook]

I'm here to clap and slap

[open monolith]

yeah I'm just gonna go night fae on that druid, if I ever decide to actually level it

even if convoke is bad for aoe

[modern brook]

theres enough prio targets in keys that i you can justify it tbh

[harsh valley]

guys why everybody is playing dévastateur, im not comfortable with this talent cause its just afk keyboard

[modern brook]

devestator is used because it provides more shield slam resets

Also pressing devestate is the most feels bad thing you can do as prot warrior

and your other options on the tree are not very impressive/impactful

[harsh valley]

it felt good to me and i push whole bfa so i guess its about feeling

cant play dévastator anyway

[modern brook]

Devestate is a bad ability - if you enjoy pressing it its strictly because you like seeing the global cooldown animation on your bars

IT exists soley as a means to fill a hole in the rotation to potentially reset shield slam

now we just chill for a second instead

that said: you can play punish without too much care

if you really dislike the devastator talent.

[open monolith]

as you get older, you will learn to appreciate those moments of down time with no buttons to press. 🙂

[harsh valley]

yes you right, i just hate not pressing

[modern brook]

but it loses to devestator in basically any multi target scenario and also probably on st lol

[open monolith]

it's a moment to take a breath, re-center, and realize that the many many hours, years even, of your life that you threw away on a video game will never come back

wait that's not a positive at all

[harsh valley]

xDd

[modern brook]

Its definitely an adjustment from Anger Management avatar clap windows

but overall i prefer the slower playstyle its more fitting for a tank imo

like sock said, it gives mroe time to think about whats going on and less about GOTTA MAKE SOME RAGE TO SPEND SOME RAGE SO I CAN CLAP

[harsh valley]

yes i guess ive to try it but the feeling is horrible for me

🤣

[open monolith]

GCD capping is for DPS

non-arms DPS

non-feral-or-arms DPS

non-feral-or-assassination-or-arms DPS

[harsh valley]

lol true for assa except in m+ when you could spam knife aoe

like a mongo

[sick anchor]

which slot should my thunderlord leggo go in?

feet/hands?

[sharp herald]

Whatever’s lower ilvl

[sick anchor]

Ight hmm

that works

haste + vers were the stats ye?

[wintry jetty]

are you happy with your thunderlord?

[open monolith]

yes

[wintry jetty]

I think I don't like it, maybe I'm missing something

or just legion nostalgic somehow 🤔

[open monolith]

Are you using Booming Voice?

[wintry jetty]

ofc

[open monolith]

are you playing in m+"

[wintry jetty]

y

[open monolith]

then your opinion is dumb and I don't like you

jk, but it's awesome

especially in the above scenarios

[wintry jetty]

I guess it just doesn't feel legendary 😛

[smoky wave]

It's good but it's quite unnoticeable sometimes.

[signal plover]

Wall+SW CDR conduit is beeg seksy

[trim imp]

Is anyone struggling with Mythic+?

Man i have played prot warrior every expansion, and right now i am struggling with the mythic keys

maybe i just suck at prot warrior now idk, but any advice would be greatly appreciated

[granite cloud]

aight so i was doing mythic 4 (failed :/) and it had bursting, so am i supposed to be able to kite bursting enemies so that im outside of the blas radius when they die or is it more of a healer check

[trim imp]

I heard that kiting is a big thing when it comes to trash

lots of kiting and cc

[livid granite]

fast conduit question guys i did up to mythic +5 now i am going to tank +7 , just wondering i am using the conduit of 18% heal out of deep wounds tick , is it better than revenge increasing thunderclap damage

[tribal heart]

guys im having trouble maintaining aggro in 6+ keys, any tips? i feel warrior aggro generation compared to other classes is a fart

[livid granite]

which should i put

i have to choose between two

[tardy parcel]

Bursting is range-independent; it has to do with managing the timing of killing the adds.

[tribal heart]

aggro problems just in big pulls

[tardy parcel]

Kiting won't help you on bursting

[tribal heart]

bursting is a magic effect and can be dispelled tho

[trim imp]

im talking about just in general, i mean ill pull a pack of 4-5 and get absolutley smashed

but if i kite keeping only 2 on me at a time i survive

[tardy parcel]

What key level are you working at that that's happening?

Or I guess what dungeon

[sweet kayak]

Which conduit is better, [Fueled by Violence] ilvl 200, or [Brutal Vitality]ilvl 171?

[tribal heart]

there are a lot of mobs that leaves debuffs on aa, hech almost every dungeon has at least 2 or 3 dif mobs that leaves some shit stackeable debuff so u gotta be carefull use shield block more often imo

use reflect

kite

[open monolith]

@sweet kayak I don't know how many people agree with me on this, but I think Brutal Vitality is borderline useless with current gear levels in current end-game content

[shut summit]

you're wrong, they come out pretty evenly currently

[open monolith]

Most of even normal mode bosses in the raid will slap your IP off of you in 1 -2 hits, so you get almost nothing from it

[shut summit]

if you kite more than bleed healing wins out

[open monolith]

FBV at least gives you constant healing

I would agree with you if Brutal Vitality was always on

but it's only on while IP is up

which doesn't last long in anything above a +8 or in the raid

[shut summit]

14 necrotic wake, ip added 114k, fueled by violence would have added 140k

[open monolith]

IP did, sure, how much of that was from BV?

[shut summit]

you can filter in logs to see damage done with ip active?

[open monolith]

Okay, do that.

[shut summit]

i did

read above

[open monolith]

right so FBV was better

or would have been.

[sweet kayak]

Right, thanks guys

[shut summit]

right, you said borderline useless which im saying is wrong

[open monolith]

Sure.

Guides currently say BV is better

I do not agree with the guides

[ionic fern]

Don't agree. 🤷

[open monolith]

at least they did last time I looked

[ionic fern]

The difference is minimal.

And situational.

[open monolith]

I mean if FBV is numerically better most of the time, wouldn't that make it... better?

I'm not being argumentative for the sake of argument, I actually want to know

[shut summit]

+8 sanguine that we 3 chested = 103,200 extra ip
same dungeon if brutal = 104k from deep wounds

just diff in diff situations, they're pretty even most of the time

[trim imp]

im sorry i am just paying attention to this conversation, what is it we are discussing?

Conduits?

[shut summit]

i prefer the ip cuz the ticking of heal from deep wounds is so little / overheals sometimes

[open monolith]

Might it, then, be better to say: use whichever one is higher ilvl?

I guess the IP is always "effective"

[shut summit]

right

[open monolith]

unless it falls off

[haughty meteor]

Is anyone struggling with Mythic+?
@trim imp For my skill/gear level I found that I need to start kiting at +5/6 keys depending on which one. I have to kite until I get back SB charges or other CDs.

[shut summit]

it requires more playing around to maximize it as well (making sure ip is up before spear etc) but the diff between most conduits is so minimal it really doesnt matter that much

[open monolith]

idk. when I was using BV it certainly felt like absolutely nothing was happening. Maybe it's just because I can "see" the healing from FBV on DETAILS! without filtering anything

FBV is certainly the "Easier" choice

as it requires no optimizing

[livid granite]

[Fueled by Violence] or [Show of Force] ? for mythic + any advice ?

[open monolith]

what the fuck they are nerfing loot drops in the raid

L O L E

[tardy parcel]

W t f

[open monolith]

3 pieces of loot isn't just a mythic dungeon thing

3 pieces of loot should be expected for a 20 man normal/heroic as well

These are certainly interesting design decisions

[sand kestrel]

@open monolithso you don't take booming voice? Do you take best served cold or dragon roar then?

[open monolith]

sorry that was bad use of BV

of course I take booming voice

BV in that context was Brutal Vitality

the conduit

[sand kestrel]

Oh ok makes sense

[stray sierra]

is the darkmoon trinket any good for prot

[open monolith]

The voracity one is

the tank one is doodoo stinky poopoo

[stray sierra]

blegh

[open monolith]

those are scientific terms, by the way

[stray sierra]

this is just my m+ char dont wanna spend 33k on it 😦

[open monolith]

Do you have the hakkar trinket?

[stray sierra]

i do not

i have the ??? trinket

[open monolith]

go spam heroic De Other Side (no more lockouts on heroics)

get the 171 hakkar trinket

even at 171 that thing is a fucking life saver

it's basically an extra surviability CD

it is no joke an absolutely fucking gigantic shield

[tardy parcel]

What's the review on the kt trinket? Seems... maybe not awful on prog? But feels like Scale is a better trinket for a defensive trinket

[stray sierra]

okay will do

[open monolith]

general consensus on KT trinket is: 8 minute cheat death trinkets are not the best.

[tardy parcel]

sounds about what I expected

[open monolith]

anyone know where I can find the RP conversations from castle nathria?

I got to Darkvein, and realized I wasn't paying attention to anything.

I wanna know wtf KT says after we free him

[obsidian gate]

He says blow me

[open monolith]

That seems in-character

[modern brook]

@ionic fern why is miko lagging behind the other 2 kyrian binds? is it a survivability thing or a damage thing?

the psuedo itf seemed really good in my feelings

[fallow mortar]

feelings or math?

[ionic fern]

It's only when you attack a new enemy, so in raids it's pretty useless. In m+ you'd have to chain pull 24/7 to get the maximum benefit out of it.

[modern brook]

makes sense.

too bad tbh mikos a bro

[ionic fern]

• you'd be forced into Auto phial in order to get a potency.,

[modern brook]

Honestly my problem with pelagos is that our potencys are so bad i only want the 1

[ionic fern]

Tbf most of our binds are pretty bad.

Even Endurance ones. 🤷

[modern brook]

lol

[shut summit]

yea hate our conduits universally

[ionic fern]

Just don't pick anything.

[modern brook]

bro! and be 1% behind??

ur nuts

[strong forum]

easy mists 10+2

[modern brook]

i saw

u hated the bucks :^)

[strong forum]

bucks are many suck

[ionic fern]

Meanwhile my +5 Spires has 2 DPS doing less than me. 😦

[marble cipher]

So when I'm rage starved i have to pick between ignore pain and shield block alot of time, is that just a choice that you make depending on what kind of mobs you're tanking, or is one objectively better? This is mainly for m+

[modern brook]

if you're taking blockable damage u shield block

if you're raage starving you're probably spamming your mitigation too much

[heavy sail]

Shield block is objectively better in most cases

[marble cipher]

i think i need to adjust my ui to show blockable hits better, that would normally come up as white hits right?

[modern brook]

theres a list of blockable abilities in the pins

but a rule of thumb is if you're actively tanking you want to be keeping block up

in m+ this is generally always true

if you're tanking a boss and hes casting though

[modern brook]

you can delay your block

[strong forum]

👌

[heavy sail]

3.2k not bad

[marble cipher]

i don't normally ahve issues on bosses, just the occasional trash pack

[modern brook]

the concept extends

[heavy sail]

The only trash I occasionally struggle with is super heavy magic.

Otherside and necrotic wake mostly

That one mini boss pull in necrotic wake fucks my ass every time

[stray sierra]

so whoever told me to get that trinket from hakkar

got it first try from a m0

lel

[sharp void]

👌

[signal plover]

Hey fukka youuu

[stray sierra]

loool

[pure sun]

Aight so I'm thinking big brain here, if I combined the wall + soulbind that takes 30 seconds off shield wall CD, can I effectively have it up every 45 sec-1 min and it is actually a good idea?

[glass sequoia]

have you guys gotten the Voracious Culling Blade in Combo with Smoldering Inertia?

[lethal arrow]

So none of you took Night Fey?

[signal plover]

@pure sun yes this is literally one of our main builds (AM and Bolster swapping depending on fight damage patterns/difficulty)

[glass sequoia]

if you get lucky enough with the Resonant Throatbands (20%dmg taken when affected by shouts) and if you're venthyr you get 25% dmg to Condemn

[fallow mortar]

that 40sec conduit that you can get from the raid though 🤤

[glass sequoia]

You can 2-3 shot the end boss

[fallow mortar]

for level 1-2 maybe

[glass sequoia]

just did it on 4

[fallow mortar]

.>

[glass sequoia]

I should also mention I had frostbite wand which let me literally 2 shot it

[fallow mortar]

ya, you had other effects going on lol

[glass sequoia]

but even then, my 2nd condemn was overkill by tens of thousands

even though Smoldering Inertia provides the biggest buff, its Purple rarity will keep it from being available regularly until more Venari upgrades

[shut summit]

smoldering + shattering throw one is the best

so fun

[modern brook]

People hold shield wall for 10 minutes and everyones excited about it being on a 1 minute

[tardy parcel]

Lmao

[glass sequoia]

@shut summit what's the rarity on the shattering throw power? haven't seen it once in 10+ runs

[shut summit]

yea only had it once so far

[glass sequoia]

is it purple?

this is the 2nd time I got Smoldering Inertia, so it must be rare af

[modern brook]

plenty of people took night fey

[glass sequoia]

what was max level available from torghast last week?

[modern brook]

Like layer?

[glass sequoia]

yeah

[modern brook]

3. the most recent reset bumped it to 6

[pure sun]

@signal plover Whats the bolster swap build if you dont mind me asking?

[modern brook]

hes saying you swap bolster with AM based on your needs

[lucid solstice]

any experince how prot performs in sanguine depths?

[chilly brook]

Fine

[shut summit]

Fine, just watch out for the frontals and use CDs properly

[open monolith]

@strong forum you guys totally had that.

😦

[modern brook]

shitty tank tbh :/

[wintry jetty]

@modern brook but how many took necro? 😏

[modern brook]

iunno like 4?

[signal plover]

What bullfango said. Bolster in situations where you need the additional block coverage and AM in more offensive situations where the content isn't threatening or niche situations where more SW will provide defensive benefits that outweigh block (can't rly think of examples for this other than big magic heavy dam)

Didn't Boost go necro for some memes?

[wintry jetty]

I did

and I'm sad :p

[modern brook]

thats 3

if we count the beef

so far im pretty close

[wintry jetty]

I'm still hopeful somehow, but bastion is nagging at me

[open monolith]

How do they make banner usable?

Give rage on use, lower CD, maybe make it do damage and stun in a small area?

[wintry jetty]

good question

spear and shock give damage, rage and cc

[open monolith]

banner redirects all spells toward it during its duration....

LOL

[wintry jetty]

this gives some hp, some crit, small zone

haha, love it 😛

[open monolith]

perfect/

[amber herald]

which one for prot?

[sweet summit]

the higher item level one

[amber herald]

wrathbark is bis tho

[sweet summit]

but the other helmet has more stats

[amber herald]

ok 😎

ty

[pure sun]

Really? I'd say if youre under 30% haste you'd want to go for the haste since the difference is so minor.

[manic halo]

^

[pure sun]

And 76 haste is WAY too much to ignore