for showing us how to warrior
#protection
graceful scaffold
lucid dew
there are a disgusting amount of DHs on the top io list right now
graceful scaffold
how do you think ppl felt when it was nothing but warriors
sharp orbit
prot is ridiculously bad in + rn compared to other tanks
lucid dew
haha true
exotic spoke
For most people it wont matter tbh
sharp orbit
i was laughing today when i was checking rio today if i am the only one having trouble with high keys
like 10+
graceful scaffold
I mean prot feels fine in keys but i play arms mainspec so as long as I get insta invited to 10's idc
idk
exotic spoke
Most of the higher M+ people are doing raid right now tbf
graceful scaffold
10's aren't bad as warrior
sharp orbit
and saw how little prots actually managed to time it
graceful scaffold
you just don't do MDI pulls
but I think most warriors are busy raiding on 500 chars for their guilds atm
exotic spoke
^^
graceful scaffold
so week 1 rio doesn't count for much
exotic spoke
Ive had time to do maybe 6 keys - total?
graceful scaffold
ye same
sharp orbit
true tho
graceful scaffold
literally been sitting in CN for 8 hours a day
more on wednesday
does feel shit tho
exotic spoke
that and working on getting sockets next week
graceful scaffold
to sit on a hunter and do giga dps
exotic spoke
and RL stuff
graceful scaffold
then log your warrior and not even see yourself on the meter
except for some warrior gracing bosses
ngl i regret taking the battle shout role a bit
lucid dew
have most people crafted a lego now or still waiting?
burnt torrent
Darkmoon deck indomitable worth it?
lucid dew
im not an expert but seems like an easy way to get a decent trinket and ilvl
i use it
i have that and the pvp haste trink
steel mauve
lusty grotto
have we found the literalgarbage yet?
of this expac?
chef nimchip update: we killed 1st boss heroic on tuesday and somehow got 3rd on our server in progression ???????? questionmark questionmark
also got a sweet 213 haste/versa boe bracer that im selling for 700k
fu @exotic spoke
chilly brook
prot is ridiculously bad in + rn compared to other tanks
prot is fine in keys
chilly brook
I'd much rather be playing prot warrior than this shit ass blood dk
chilly brook
I'm actually dying slowly on the inside playing this shit fucking spec
lusty grotto
what spec
lusty grotto
Y I K E S
chilly brook
BuT tHeYrE gOoD iN rAiD
Fuck that
warrior is taking less external healing than blood rn
nimble drift
If you kill a boss in mythic 0, can you still get loot from it by killing it again?
undone sun
m0s have a weekly lockout
meager abyss
what slot am i putting leggie in boys?
undone sun
spare cobalt
I think prot feels fine
In keys
Legit sad watching dh drop decree and fel dev and bursting 20k though
In two globals
twin comet
How do you deal with the first two big packs in de other side? I use last stand for the first and shield wall for the second, but I'm still running for my life on the second pack
surreal stump
what diff we talking?
twin comet
M4
surreal stump
ill be honest only place i found issues was plaguehell and on 6 those birds can fuck off.... id just use spear in both packs avatar and demo shout and should be good?
if healer cant swing it jump away/shockwave/tclap kite. or use Swall /laststand but i tend to only do it when someone asspulls like 6 more trash mobs or some shit
spare cobalt
Tbh @twin comet it really depends on your dps man. If it doesn’t die fast it can go south quick
surreal stump
^
spare cobalt
I save my kyrian pot for the second pack
twin comet
The dps was on the low side so the second pack was up for almost a minute
spare cobalt
On 12 I had to wall and last stand first pack
And then just kite tf out of the second pack
surreal stump
or if your healer struggles also, i tend to roll with one or two healers i know so i only run when im almost dead lol
Beerettt dont feel bad if you gotta kite/run hell if you have a priest Hleap away have em grip you back you can do stupid shit lol
spare cobalt
^ sometimes it might be the bursting killing you too
If your healer isn’t dispelling
That’s a lot of stacks
surreal stump
i have had a dps taunt and blow cooldowns like blur and such, some times you do what needs done our gear is meh at the momment
twin comet
I'll try again tomorrow night. We missed the timer by a minute. Is it normal to match a dps in overall damage?
meager abyss
if i am crafting arms legendary on gloves for pvp, should i also craft my prot legendary on gloves for pve? or is chest better?
twin comet
This is my first expansion playing warrior. I have no idea what their damage is supposed to look like. Having ravager up every pull is nice.
formal river
just did a world quest in maldraxxus where a necro banner was on my back
JUST CHANGED THE NECRO ABILITY TO THIS
lusty grotto
@undone sun i dont think that's accurate? did something change?
i thought boots were the ones due to the stam budget
undone sun
And being transparent, that exact wording from the screenshot was pulled from Acherus' pins and put into Dreamgrove's FAQ
lusty grotto
Nope <https://wow.gamepedia.com/Stat_budget>
welp
undone sun
vocal bison
Did something change with loot allotment in M+? I thought for right now it was only one piece of loot per run - that’s how I’ve seen it last two days, but two keys in a row tonight there were 2 pieces in the end of dungeon chest.
nimble drift
What do yall think is the best think to upgrade in your covenant?
I've been doing the anima conductor
muted pendant
For Bastion? Transportation network 🤡
strong forum
Did something change with loot allotment in M+? I thought for right now it was o...
1 for the run, +1 if you time it
vocal bison
weird, timed quite a few last couple days, must have just not been paying attention, thanks
muted pendant
What did you guys figure out are the „best“ consumables (apart from food) for m+ and N/HC raid?
steady aspen
Beer
undone sun
@vocal bison what type of loot was it, from what I know conduits and legos don't follow loot rules
vocal bison
Two dungeons in a row it was a ring and gloves then a weapon and another piece of armor. Been getting a smattering of conduits and legos as well, maybe that’s why I missed what the other pieces of loot that dropped yesterday on the timed dungeons because of all the extra stuff that was being looted.
vocal bison
just got done getting shit on in back to back +6 plaguefall
That dungeon hurts, did it on a 7 last night, on pace to time then healer got smushed 8 times on tentacle lady with that hit box bug.
Ended up being an hour run
digital nova
It's the first time this xpac I hated tanking
blazing gale
anyone played prot venthyr ?
jagged pier
some people are
blazing gale
do you even use condemn ever
jagged pier
st yes
jagged pier
I mean condemn is only okay in raid, its trash in any aoe situation which there are a few in the raid alone. but its not just spear vs condemn its also soulbinds and potion vs door of shadows
where kyrian wins out on with potion and soulbinds imo
rough needle
what addon do you guys use to sim upgrades for pure dps?
strong forum
Simc - > Raidbots.com and actually simming it
visual drift
crit and vers are on equal terms statwise, right?
strong forum
crit and vers are on equal terms statwise, right?
Pmuch
rough needle
so sad i got tank trinket from denathrius, if only i had swapped my loot spec
seems like most of raid should prob be done on fury or arms
strong forum
It's a really good trinket though 🤔
young glen
Blood Council question - can evasive lunge debuff be negated with blessing of protection?
jagged pier
no idea but its blockable so you can take loads of stacks
then just swap when the other tanks in trouble
fringe marten
That feel when....you dump your anima in the friggin' base resevoir and you have bag space again..
nimble drift
Whats better 17% haste and 11% crit or 16% haste 9% crit
trying to decide between 2 items
jagged pier
which ever is highest i lvl
nimble drift
okay
hallow phoenix
...
wouldnt
wouldnt the 17% haste and 11% crit be better always
unless youre losing mastery/vers and not listing it?
strong forum
More stats >better stats
vivid palm
is ravager meant to not trigger signet for prot?
hallow phoenix
yeah and 17>16 and 11 > 9
strong forum
is ravager meant to not trigger signet for prot?
Dunno if it's meant to, but it just doesn't work
strong forum
yeah and 17>16 and 11 > 9
He's obv not listing vers and mastery..
hallow phoenix
i hope thats the case
fringe marten
heh; that clip from Kungen LOL...that's the same boss on heroic we killed tonight too; I didn't like the change in strat leadership made but..eh...it worked in the end.
and I did that once too..lept from mid from the 'pull' to the sword and teleported to death LOL
strong forum
Council is such a hectic fight
You mean boring and pointless
Literally afk for 12minutes, kill some adds here and there
lusty marsh
I liked Xymox
blazing gale
if prot is venthyr , and venthyr is signet, do you get bladestorm proc of signet whencasting av/ravager or you get ravager when ravager is talented
cerulean quest
What’s the highest keys you guys are doing on prot? And roughly what % uptime you getting on shield block?
strong forum
if prot is venthyr , and venthyr is signet, do you get bladestorm proc of signet...
You get bladestorm, as prot ravager doesn't get registered
fringe marten
I'm actually going to give the dev team some props for xymox because the intended way to do the fight literally makes the timing on things within a second or so... as in..you're teleporting the tank bomb away, and the seeds are going to explode literally a second later if you don't port back.
blazing gale
I've done couple ++6 didnt have time for anything higher sb isnt bad
strong forum
So you only get the proc off of Avatar, Jankes
strong forum
I'll do a couple of 10s tonight
haughty meteor
You have to kite your 10s aswell?
strong forum
Eh
blazing gale
if you odnt have sb up you shuld kite anyway
fringe marten
On paper I thought Sludgefist would be a lot more of a fun tank fight...(we keep swapping between heroic kills, zoning out and changing back to normal..then doing a couple kills..) and Sludge is...bleehhhhh "Here's a literal throughput check for everyone..tanks living? can heals pump X heals? can dps do Y damage? Please move on.."
strong forum
Dps check and personal responsibility check
earnest lava
Are you tank swapping @fringe marten ?
fringe marten
nope
lusty marsh
Oh no, not personal responsability
blazing gale
I cant stand people saying oi wont use 30stat food its only normal, wont use prepot its only normal
lusty marsh
I can't even count on my raid to los SW
blazing gale
and then we lack damage
humble stream
Hi best legendary for MM+ ? Signet of Tormented Kings or Judgment of the Arbiter
earnest lava
We're discussing tank swapping to keep optimal uptime on mitigation throughout the fight. Me and a monk. Any thoughts?
raven gazelle
any reason why signet is not proccing ravager when talented as prot?
fringe marten
Cotank is bear, I've MT'd everything we've done in heroic so..? Bat, Huntsman (we did that on day with the overtuned bleed..we figured it was too spicy) Hungering destroyer, and Xymox...then the first 8 on norm...except sludge
blazing gale
btw if signet procs bladestorm do we just die as prot
nimble drift
How good are the pvp trinkets that increase primary stat or max hp for like 8k?
blazing gale
or defensives still work
fringe marten
Bear tanked sludge; With the right combo of conduits and talents bears can maintain dummy levels of % DR
earnest lava
So no need to rotate tank throughout fight you reckon? Any advice welcome
jagged pier
I tanked for 98% of the time on sludgefist
same
strong forum
You gotta be a bit greedy now and again
And hold off on using SB before the stomp
Or his charge
fringe marten
He had to taunt swap constantly...because it was norm so I went back to Anger Mang~ for dps
strong forum
So you save some charges
fringe marten
but he got a 200 weapon from M+ and I still have my 184 axe so FK him!
😛 I'm not salty..
brave jetty
why do I see Lightless Force everywhere for our best weapon ench?
the AoE DPS that much better than the survivability from vigor?
fringe marten
Is it more damage in ST and aoe? after my cotank bear got his spear from M+ he put lightless force on it; and I looked at our sludgefist parse...it was 2.7% of his damage, and my uptime on Guidance proc was like 37%?
5% str for 37~+% of the time? that's ..really good
armor and damage
jagged pier
sim it
fringe marten
What I'm more salty about was my only drop from M+ today (other than the thunderlord legendary which..I can't make for weeks...) Was an ilevel 200 Bladedancers armor kit thing... =\
digital knot
Yo guys any decent m+ YouTube channels worth checking?
fringe marten
Does umm..? There was a warrior streaming some really high keys later in BFA
can't remember his name? (was a few, but I think a lot of folks kinda' knew of one guy)
There was a post here about 'should you go for versa instead of haste' and mentioned his name
(for M+ later in BFA)
strong forum
5% str for 37~+% of the time? that's ..really good
30% uptime on 5% is a total of ~1.6% dmg increase
Or smth like that
Cba calcing 5/3 in head
halcyon fiber
Don't guides say for the stats priority : Haste, versa, crit/mastery ?
past shore
ILvL and Stam is best then focus haste and vers
fringe marten
was a bit higher, toward 40% (high 30's...I long since deleted that from my Details) So it's 1% less damage but does provide mitigation as well..? hm
strong forum
90%+ of survival comes from play, not from gear
^
It's not illegal to enchant other stuff
But you mainly just go for whatever is highest dmg
Im using celestial guidance too cuz it's dirt cheap and not bad
Cba paying 11k gold for a 1% dmg upgrade
fringe marten
Yeah...I wasn't tossing an 18k (that's how much lightless force was on my server) on a 184 m0 weapon.that I'm STILL USING
nimble drift
Only 7k on my server I bought it for my m0 weapon
fringe marten
...why?
..if you have gold I guess. I'm herb/alch and I just harvest to be self sufficient so I'm not having to beg people for raid consumables
nimble drift
lol cuz i got plenty of gold its nbd
flint cliff
So whats the go-to leggo for prot in m+? Seen some warriors on rio with Signet. Thunderlord not bis anymore?
ionic fern
So whats the go-to leggo for prot in m+? Seen some warriors on rio with Signet. ...
Thunderlords/TheWall still. Remember that not all warriors who tank keys are tank mains. Signet is one of the better options fot Arms and solid for fury iirc so it might just be a case where they crafted it for a dps spec and dont have a 2nd legendary yet.
ionic fern
Cba paying 11k gold for a 1% dmg upgrade
Last sims i did celestial was actually higher dps than lightless.
jagged pier
same as my sims but sinful top
visual drift
how good is the pvp trinket with haste?
nimble drift
I just bought the pvp trinket that procts haste and upgraded it to 184
brought my ilvl to 187
so im stoked
fringe marten
Mwahi that's what I was thinking too.... as our gear scales; IE we get more mainstat, that proc improves in potency
Lightless would only scale with versatility maybe?
Because Celestial guidance is % mainstat.
ionic fern
Tbf lightless was stupid strong in beta. It did A LOT of damage.
So maybe they stealth nerfed it.
ionic fern
Lightless would only scale with versatility maybe?
Lightless also scales with AP.
fringe marten
I dunno; all I know is today was first time in raid my cotank had it on his new weapon, and on a fight where we have LITERALLY equal uptime on the same target the whole time...it was 2.7% for him, and my uptime on guidance was in the very high 30's of % like 37.xx or 38%
(sludgefist)
The draw of Lightless force is it's aoe, so maybe nice in M+..but 5% mainstat is defensive, and offensive for everything we do..so it's also aoe~
I dunno..I was just really deflated, and happy at the same time..when I saw the damage breakdown for sludgefist.
I thought "..I was right..this enchant is a lot better than people are giving it credit for, and it's 1/1000th the price"
I'm curious to see how they compare as our ilevel rises; if lightless is stronger or not.
uhhh WHAT? I just got a worldquest trinket called "Beating Abomination Core"
strong forum
Yes it's very good
fringe marten
I was curious to see it's 'heal' effect (it has no numbers on it's description) it's heal proc is 3750 damage for me..and in a fairly short fight with ONE elite, healed me twice
like WTF?
does it have an ICD?
strong forum
Yes
fringe marten
like..how good is it in M+?
fringe marten
right; the other one I had is the Hymnal? whatever? it's damn good
haughty meteor
First lego to craft if I both raid and m+ is the Wall right?
nimble drift
Does ilvl>all apply to trinkets too?
fringe marten
Biq, yeah..I have like..most legendaries available in game atm (just got thunderlord tonight) but I can't craft it for like 4? more weeks..because I'm ONLY upgrading my Wall shoulders until they're capped (raid tank first..M+ scrublord second)
nimble drift
I just bought and upgraded the pvp trinket that gives 79haste + 117main stat on proct (184ilvl)
is the wquest one better?
i didnt get it cuz of the ilvl
strong forum
Hymnal is very strong offensively, beating anime core is very strong defensively
Up to you, really
fringe marten
If your guild is really dedicated to progression...you'll likely want to make the wall shoulders, and only upgrade those. If you're just casually doing whatever, normal / heroic pugging etc..and want to do M+, I'd craft both at 190, and upgrade whatever one you use more.
haughty meteor
If your guild is really dedicated to progression...you'll likely want to make th...
Yeah. I mean, the Wall still gets some use in m+. Thundermajingy wont do much in lets say a ST boss fight. I migth awell just pump the Wall. Might be cheeky and put spare soul ash into arms for funsies.
manic halo
Do people take the thunderclap talent over ravager with thunderlord legendary? Unstoppable force or whatever it's called
jagged pier
no
fringe marten
Well...it's not like that leggo has anything to do with making Tclap stronger..it doesn't.
ebon hound
more tclaps, more cdr
fringe marten
That leggo is about expediting demo shout CD, for both offense and defense. So if Ravager is still better than UF, it doesn't change that.
wheat sleet
I meam, it'll make you get shout faster
ebon hound
but still, it's not* really worth it
wheat sleet
but probably not necessary
fringe marten
Right, but his question was (I think?) "if I have thunderlord legendary should I now go for Unstoppable Force talent.." and...no, it doesn't change that really
Like..if Thunderlord changed the CD of AVATAR...then suddenly there's a synergy; and maybe worth changing the talent for.
I want to run a M+ with this beating abomination core; and see what kind of healing it can do in a realistic situation.
wheat sleet
Speaking of, I've been using unstoppable force+anger management and now I'm thinking of getting into mythic+. Is ravager+bolster better for that? Any examples of what it lets you do better?
manic halo
You get more demo shouts during the avatar uptime with it than without it right...was wondering if that could compete with ravager
Or is it like 1 more eh
ebon hound
Speaking of, I've been using unstoppable force+anger management and now I'm thin...
Your build works until it doesn't, ravager + bolster will keep you alive a lot longer in higher difficulties
fringe marten
Taiga, it generates rage quick and does good aoe damage, meaning it allows more spam of ignore pains; which yields some healing from Indomitable. Plus it's on a quick'ish cooldown of 45 seconds..so just all around nice and useful. UF is more damage and rage gen but not as bursty rage gen.
wheat sleet
Your build works until it doesn't, ravager + bolster will keep you alive a lot l...
So do you think I should just stick with it until I notice it getting weaker then?
jagged pier
Taiga, it generates rage quick and does good aoe damage, meaning it allows more ...
wrong on your last point
it is not more rage gen or more damage
ravager is more of both
ebon hound
So do you think I should just stick with it until I notice it getting weaker the...
If you really enjoy that playstyle sure, but I do believe you will find yourself hitting a wall rather quickly. I'd advice changing to the other talents and get used to that playstyle instead.
fringe marten
and ..I'm starting to feel a little more threat issues than I did in BFA. It's not that we have 'troubles' it's just that when your spear of bastion/ avatar isn't up and you charge to a pack and just dump a weak tclap on them..I tend to see stuff peel off to my aggressive ret paladin/etc ...and then the pull starts to seperate and it's annoying.
so having something more solid on a faster cd I like in M+
jagged pier
open with ravager
ionic fern
TC damage is bad you need a Revenge in there asap if everything is on cd.
wheat sleet
If you really enjoy that playstyle sure, but I do believe you will find yourself...
Nah I don't really have an attachment to it in that way, was just if it was more damage/threat when the damage taken isn't as big. Will do the switch, thanks!
fringe marten
charge, clap demo revenge.. etc yeah..but even then you won't necessarily hit everything in the cone; and if you have a world orange parsing ret paladin who's trying to Big Dick every pull...or a mage doing the same thing, like..sometimes mobs on the fringe of packs or something peel off, and i just hate that.
Maybe that's just me not being efficient or quick with my own gcd's..I dunno
wheat sleet
Taiga, it generates rage quick and does good aoe damage, meaning it allows more ...
Thanks for the info, appreciate it
sick sentinel
Random off question guys, sorry to interupt. Do you need to time a key for it to count towards great vault. Say a group does a 10 key - fails timing it but still finishes - would that 10 count towards ilvl reward in vault?
fringe marten
But honestly it's not about threat...it's just more about it's damage/utility
no you do not
you just have to finish it.
sharp void
fringe marten
However; the way the 'choices' work is they scale downward towards your 'floor' IE your lowest timed key
fringe marten
so your 'first' vault choice is your highest completed key, second choice is..if you finish 4 or more dungeons, and then it's like the average? and then the 3rd choice is..if you finish 10 or more dungeons and your 'lowest' key
nimble drift
Do people really use Ravager? When would you sue it over Unstoppable Force? I've been using Unstoppable Force and Bolster for a while pushing keys
sick sentinel
keyword here being completed right, not necessarily timed right
jagged pier
then average of your 4 highest keys
nimble drift
What makes Ravager preferrable?
jagged pier
then average of your 10 highest keys
fringe marten
AH ok.
jagged pier
What makes Ravager preferrable?
more damage more rage
fringe marten
Sorry, thank you jakey..wasn't really clear when I was reading the wording on the vault, and the Mythic Dungeon tab
nimble drift
So whats the point of Unstoppable Force?
rocky cradle
Hi,stats warrior tank?
jagged pier
ilvl
honest plinth
hello guys i have something to say
sick sentinel
I hate unstopable force since TC does noodle damage 😦
honest plinth
im protetion warrior
jagged pier
Hi,stats warrior tank?
ilvl >>>>>> haste >>>>>>>>>>>vers/crit>mastery
jagged pier
So whats the point of Unstoppable Force?
you can still us it and it synergises well with tgv but you will do less damage and be less defensive than other builds
fringe marten
Tclap is fine...we just don't have the amazing synergy we used to have with our azerite traits/anger management
jagged pier
eh?
rocky cradle
ilvl >>>>>> haste >>>>>>>>>>>vers/crit>mastery
Ty,i am having problems with agro,any advice?
wheat sleet
higher ilvl means higher stam and strength, right?
honest plinth
you can love it you can hate it you still spam it with TL
jagged pier
Ty,i am having problems with agro,any advice?
your probably playing the spec wrong if you have aggro issue, have any logs?
jagged pier
higher ilvl means higher stam and strength, right?
yes
fringe marten
..and the heart of azeroth... (the ability to proc avatar..which in turn triggered our azerite trait...was just a potent combo that put prot warrior aoe dps in a great place in BFA)
jagged pier
or covered bad play for prot warriors
i personally did not like the brain dead spec
i prefer this prot warrior
fringe marten
It wasn't brain dead..you still had to have the same high APM we still do...you get carpel tunnel tanking as prot
nimble drift
I mean the reduced cooldown of tclap works well with the leggo
sick sentinel
I just wanna say guys, please please reflect the reaping thing from last boss in Theatre, completely deflecting that feels so amazing if you aren't already doing it
nimble drift
for high demo shout uptime + rage
honest plinth
im going to do my 1st 10s today
rocky cradle
your probably playing the spec wrong if you have aggro issue, have any logs?
How would the rotation be to grab aggro?
nimble drift
If I'm running ravager instead of unstoppable force should I also not use booming voice?
fringe marten
I do wish the AoE taunt (challenging shout) hit a bigger radius..? maybe? I dunno..I guess it's more tactical with a smaller radius
honest plinth
I mean the reduced cooldown of tclap works well with the leggo
ravager is still better
fringe marten
you're gonna' use Booming voice like..prolly furrever~
trim rock
Ravaged is way too nice, you can put it down and reposition and still get the benefits
jagged pier
How would the rotation be to grab aggro?
ravager charge, avatar, demo, TC/spear, SB, Revenge
sick sentinel
I do wish the AoE taunt (challenging shout) hit a bigger radius..? maybe? I dunn...
CD feels long too, but its a godsent when DPS go ham too quickly
isn't it like 4 mins? like sheesh
fringe marten
Yup..same as (base) shield wall..4 mins
BTW I know there's some prots out there who literally didn't open their spell books..and don't know they have Challenging Shout 😛 Put it on your bars~
jagged pier
probably the same prots that dont know HL resets the cd of taunt
fringe marten
Aye but that's ..almost..excusable. It's a rare situation where you're trying to burn heroic leap just to taunt again.
honest plinth
Aye but that's ..almost..excusable. It's a rare situation where you're trying t...
pretty default
rocky cradle
ravager charge, avatar, demo, TC/spear, SB, Revenge
I am venthyr does the tank have a problem?
jagged pier
I am venthyr does the tank have a problem?
if you try and use it yer
jagged pier
I am venthyr does the tank have a problem?
you dont use conemn in aoe its a waste of rage
trim rock
Ooof
young glen
Aye but that's ..almost..excusable. It's a rare situation where you're trying t...
Umm I'm doing by default just to have it ready if there's no escape mechanic
fringe marten
Why did they have to take the ...make mob move faster if you taunt them after berserker rage... away from us. (we like..never talented it, but I tried it for one raid fight..and it worked..and I liked it~ DAMNIT)
young glen
that I need to be aware of
sick sentinel
So here's a technical question. Does anyone know if the Spear you can pick up in Necrotic Wake scales with Avatar and Booming? Avatar and Booming specficially increases your % damage done, so I wonder if that affects the spear? I use it every time but I'm not sure if it actually works
jagged pier
Why did they have to take the ...make mob move faster if you taunt them after be...
you did talent it because it synergized with the tier set
fringe marten
HalfTrick..all those abilities generally only boost YOUR class abilities.
rocky cradle
you dont use conemn in aoe its a waste of rage
Ty
nimble drift
-_- great now I need a bind for ravager
sick sentinel
HalfTrick..all those abilities generally only boost YOUR class abilities.
But the tooltip on Booming Voice literally says "Increased damage taken from Dadugan"
fringe marten
I ..think so jakey? I just remember there was a fight I used it with..and it was cool~ fealt like something else prot could bring to the table.
nimble drift
all my binds are used lol
sick sentinel
so i wonder if it works
jagged pier
I ..think so jakey? I just remember there was a fight I used it with..and it wa...
the tier set made zerker rage give us rage and that talent reduced the cooldown of zerker rage as weill so you took the talent
young glen
all my binds are used lol
What. How.
sick sentinel
Booming Voice -> Mob Takes 20% increased damage done by you -> Spear counts as your damage -> ????? -> Profit
young glen
Even Shift mousewheelup down and such_
fringe marten
I'm not saying it doesn't; just saying a lot of testing in bfa was done with various stuff and ava/bv generally only effected our abilities I believe.
sick sentinel
Spear might just do a single set amount of damage regardless of buffs, I don't know
fringe marten
LOL I remember that ...I remember suddenly having to use berzerker rage frequently
sick sentinel
could be the case
nimble drift
What. How.
I just bound it to 8 and bound that to my mouse, so i found space for it :P
my keybinds
lavish oracle
Does Stalwart Guardian gain more value with the Wall or less?
nimble drift
LOL i was poor
sick sentinel
Do you guys macro Phial + Pot + Healthstone into one? I've been thinking about that to save binds
nimble drift
its just for ilvl
jagged pier
still not worth it
nimble drift
it was to get that early ilvl when i needed to get into m+
jagged pier
Do you guys macro Phial + Pot + Healthstone into one? I've been thinking about t...
i wouldnt as it would use all of them at the same time
blazing gale
in bfa it used health first then hp
so if you are venthyr prot do you really plauy signet leggo
or is it trolling
blazing gale
yes I know
nimble drift
still not worth it
Just got the Beating Abomination Core. I'ma use it instead. Sucks I go to 184 instead of 187 equipped, but I think its still better.
blazing gale
but Im gonna swap to venthyr i think
jagged pier
well that would be dumb if your main prot
gloomy sundial
It's not just me that get absolutely destroyed in DOS, right?
Did a +9 yesterday and holy fuck the damage I took
jagged pier
no i was okayc i just had a very week healer
ebon swan
The caster mobs need a lot of interrupts
sick sentinel
Those big packs with the big caster guys chunk me
wheat sleet
what are the drawbacks of switching covenant? I know you have to do a big quest thing, but do you have to regain renown, do the campaign, etc?
ebon swan
And kite big guys when they enrage because the enrage slows them
jagged pier
what are the drawbacks of switching covenant? I know you have to do a big quest ...
none takes no time at all
gloomy sundial
First and second pull were the roughest in DOS imho.
blazing gale
i just like tanking keys but cant say I main prot
lavish oracle
Yeah, some of the mobs in shlands are kinda stupid, way more 2 melee required casters, it feels like
jagged pier
i just like tanking keys but cant say I main prot
well venthyr is probably the worst covenant for tanking keys
wheat sleet
actually? Interesting
blazing gale
yea ik
sick sentinel
Kiting those abonminations in Necrotic that Tenderizes you is a pain if you're not a monk 😄
lavish oracle
Though there are fewer packs where it's 3 melee kicks required, it seems like
wheat sleet
I'm not about to do it yet but I might switch from venthyr to kyrian/night fae at some point because prot is just so much more enjoyable than fury/arms.
sick sentinel
Spear is fun in pvp too, fuck condem spamming 😄
nimble drift
Kiting those abonminations in Necrotic that Tenderizes you is a pain if you're n...
i fucking hate those 😡
lavish oracle
Kyrian/NF are both pretty good for Fury/arms too
wheat sleet
spear+bladestorm seems like a fun pvp combo as well lol
blazing gale
fury is meme right now
ebon swan
Kiting those abonminations in Necrotic that Tenderizes you is a pain if you're n...
Can we even kite them anymore? I think they target the nearest target for mutilate now after the changes
blazing gale
and for arms yea but you have to play fervor which sukcs
wheat sleet
fury channel is in hardcore coping mode
sick sentinel
Bruh, I was in a BG last week. Had a rogue trying to shadow step out not once, but twice from Spear. It's the hardest I've laughed in a BG in a long time goddamn
blazing gale
spear is fun
gloomy sundial
When I fought those Abominations I kited them with Heroic Leap, Intervene and had the Priest pull me, that was before they changed it tho.
lavish oracle
Anyone playing Stalwart Guardian with the Wall that can say how impactful Stalwart Guardian feels to Shield Walls CD on average?
blazing gale
for kiting trash in +
is also very good
and keeping those jumpy fuckers in theater at bay
wheat sleet
Bastion is such a boring zone though 
sick sentinel
spear does juuuuuuuuuuicy damage with avatar and boomin'
blazing gale
bastion is prettty and nice
wheat sleet
its pretty sure
gloomy sundial
blue babes tho my dude
nimble drift
i didnt like bastion at the start and wanted to go venthyr
blazing gale
yea kleia is thick
lavish oracle
The spear snap feels goood
lavish oracle
But also, stomp is pretty sick
1m 30 CD kinda feels bad, by comparison to spear, though
wheat sleet
hows the night fae ability for prot? Anyone here who uses it?
nimble drift
Also what do yall prefer Punish or Devastator? I really like using it as an active for filler, but I've heard some people using Devastator
gloomy sundial
What do you guys run in M+ as prot talent wise? I'm running Ravager / Bolster but it feels squishy at times ngl.
lavish oracle
Ravager/Bolster is the best defensive build
There's not gonna be a build that makes you feel tankier than that, talent-wise
gloomy sundial
Guess I suck kekw
lavish oracle
I mean, in what situations are you feeling squishy?
gloomy sundial
I'd say it's specific dungs tbh, DOS I feel really squishy on the first two pulls, I straight up drop to 10% even with active mitigation. Mists also hurts with the Soulcleavers
lavish oracle
The soulcleavers are always gonna hit hard, especially if the healer isn't dispelling the rebuff right away. I've been popping down spear and kiting them
They die pretty fast usually
nimble drift
There still hasn't been a real answer about the Covenant Sanctum upgrades. Like, which is the most beneficial practically? Is it literally irrelevant completely. I got 6k anima saved up wondering what to spend it on
placid oar
Hi guys, I’m new to raid tanking but doing it casually now. Can I ask if there is a good matrix I should look at like mitigated % or Healing done to know that I’ve done my best to mitigate the dmg?
gloomy sundial
The soulcleavers are always gonna hit hard, especially if the healer isn't dispe...
I probs just need some more prac on the new dungs and so do the people in my group
tight canopy
What do you guys think about fueled by violence?
My DW ticks for ~1k on 4 targets, 25% would be 250 HPS
lavish oracle
It's undertuned atm
tight canopy
Doing 3k Dps, 5% to IP is only 150 HPS no?
cinder nova
I feel like Brutal Vitality just doesn't do much
Unnerving Focus to help augment rage or FBV for self heal
gloomy sundial
Could it also be a healer issue tho? @lavish oracle been playing with Disc Priest and Resto Druid mostly, haven't had the chance to really play with the other healing specs yet.
tight canopy
FBV honestly seems like the M+ conduit now that I actually think about it
lavish oracle
Yeah, I think I prefer FBV but I haven't had enough time to test them both out. Might end up going Stalwart Guardian though. Need to craft the wall first, though
@gloomy sundial Disc and Rdruid are both pretty solid at the moment but player skill can always vary. Everyone's still getting used to their classes and the dungeons, I would just focus on what you personally can do to keep yourself alive
Obviously if you see the debuff isn't getting dispels or you know you're going to take a damage spike, you can always ask your healer for a dispel or an external if you're in comms
gloomy sundial
Cheers. Last question, what are the best conduits for M+ atm?
lavish oracle
If you're Kyrian, piercing verdict potency for sure, for endurance I think we're less sure
Someone probably knows more than I do, though
cinder nova
PV is basically always
SoB damage is yuge
inb4 they nerf spear, and by extension, prot
lavish oracle
Not like any of the warrior specs are doing well enough for Blizzard to nerf anything about them
gloomy sundial
Sadge
obsidian skiff
how well does warriors do in m+ atm ?
jagged pier
really good in m+ if played correctly
lavish oracle
That's kinda true of any tank at this level key, though
obsidian skiff
is dh´s just a better version tbh ?
lavish oracle
DH plays very different, I wouldn't compare the two
jagged pier
no vdh is not a better version no other tank in the game plays like prot warrior
obsidian skiff
i have neevr played prot warr before, any tips for m+?
lavish oracle
DH might be stronger overall in keys but tbh, no one is really pushing high enough for the meta to really form for keys
sick sentinel
So I was seeing the Talent Stats on the wowhead calculator from castle nathria. Why everyone running devastator even single target??
Why no love for punish single target?
blazing gale
damage
sweet summit
Devastator is kinda great
cinder nova
It's basically automated Devastate
And it only gets better with haste.
Not a perfect comparison, but it's the same reason why Void Torrent gets pooped on by Mind Flayer
MF goes and it's off on its own while you continue your rotation
VT makes you stop everything to VT
They'll probably have to buff Punish quite a bit for it to edge out Devastator
sick sentinel
Having a near constant rolling buff of 6% - 9% damage reduction just seems insane for me on raid bosses. But the increased rage from Devstator I guess is simply better?
sweet summit
If you really need that dr then punish is better
If not, then the extra damage from devastator is better
Devastator isnt only damage either, more rage=more ip too
cinder nova
Yeah.
ionic fern
I'm more surprised so many people use UF.
sweet summit
1% signet :/
sweet summit
😂
sweet summit
Today?
cinder nova
I mean
sweet summit
Tomorrow?
cinder nova
To their credit, the pinned guide does default to UF
sweet summit
Yes 
humble stream
Hi best legendary for MM+ ? Signet of Tormented Kings or Judgment of the Arbiter
nimble drift
Lol
cinder nova
Also, how come I'm not seeing the effects for the reflects in the SR/Block guide on Nathria?
nimble drift
To their credit, the pinned guide does default to UF
We went UF in bfa and if I wasnt in this disc actually reading discussion I never wouldve known to go Ravager
Someone should change the guides if it's better now
jagged pier
KEys when?
can do some tomorrow if you want got alt/casual raid tonight
nimble drift
Cuz that shits misleading
jagged pier
^^
cinder nova
I asked this earlier, but when my guild started, I was using SR on all the listed effects and most of them didn't seem to do damage back to the boss, just deflecting the effects, and the secondary effects like Artificer's Hyperlight Spark being prevented from bouncing further, didn't actually function.
nimble drift
Well the thought process is, the people who made the guides did the sims so I can just read and follow
cinder nova
It would reflect (deflect) and then keep bouncing. If it is doing damage, I'm not seeing it being logged.
jagged pier
I asked this earlier, but when my guild started, I was using SR on all the liste...
you deflect now
cinder nova
Blizz hates Warrior's having anything useful or fun. This doesn't shock me.
jagged pier
it all started with the SR leggo on beta being like 60% of ppls damage
its not suprising
cinder nova
Well, it sounds like when they nerfed the legendary they also changed it all to deflects.
cinder nova
They could solve a lot of their problems by just capping damage for SR.
cinder nova
W/O the leggo, right?
cinder nova
I still don't like how Blizzard always seems to be kicking SR to the side. I also don't like how they don't bother to tell us what is/isn't blockable/reflectable.
jagged pier
because it so fuking strong if used correctly
and most tank damage nowadays in raid at least is magical well the big hits are
as most tanks dont have magic mitigation really
cinder nova
That's why I think if they cap the damage SR can bounce back based on the level of the effect's origin, it can keep it from getting buckwild but also make it more gratifying to use.
I'm just annoyed with how almost every effect is deflected instead of reflected as described.
jagged pier
only on bosses
astral crystal
cinder nova
I wont be shocked if they just sandbag warrior. It's not like they haven't kicked the class while it's down before in the last 2 or 3 xpacks.
jagged pier
id rather they make sludgefist easier for 30 people that thing spawns too many pools for 30 people XD
we will be ignored hopefully
we are in a good spot
cinder nova
We're middling at best.
jagged pier
hence we are fine
cinder nova
Wer're in a passable spot.
nimble drift
Speak for yourself. I'm kicking ass
cinder nova
Not a good one.
twin comet
How much time do you lose per death in m+?
jagged pier
like we dont have to be top all the time
like jesus
just chill we are strong
we dont need touching
jagged pier
How much time do you lose per death in m+?
5 seconds
cinder nova
We absolutely aren't strong, haha. Again, we're passable. We can do content, we have okay damage, and have a few neat tools, but we're not really topping any charts in any categories.
And that's why I'm bent outta shape. We're not particularly good at anything, we're just okay at most things.
jagged pier
again why do we need to top charts? we are also the best mitigation tanks so we take the least amount of damage
the damage you cant do anything about thats tuning
cinder nova
Bears disagree.
sick sentinel
You guys recommend Ravager even ST? I hate Unstopable Force so much
cinder nova
Depends on what you're doing.
sick sentinel
Single Target
cinder nova
M+ or Raids
ionic fern
Take ItF for raids. 🙂
cinder nova
^
sick sentinel
Aight
hardy walrus
so ItF for raids and ravager for m+? even if i have thunderlord?
jagged pier
yes and yes
visual drift
is it worth to upgrade my legendary now or should i wait?
nimble drift
Are there many situations where punish is better than devestator?
jagged pier
if you want more damage reduction sort of, but i find i never have time to press devstate so i just take devastator
hardy walrus
ok ty i didnt know that, I thought that UF was better with the thunderlord because the less cd
nimble drift
Is the rage gen noticeably better?
jagged pier
ok ty i didnt know that, I thought that UF was better with the thunderlord becau...
it had more synergy its not better though
jagged pier
Is the rage gen noticeably better?
you get more rage with deva
but dont underestimate the amount of damage reduction you can stand
smoky sparrow
is there a haste soft cap
strong forum
106%
nimble drift
Well I head into normal CN tomorrow for the first time, gonna try devestator. Wish me luck
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
Well I head into normal CN tomorrow for the first time, gonna try devestator. Wi...
youll be fine its not too bad sludgefist it the first big one but thats not a tank problem
jagged pier
honestly thing it depends thing he will be easy with like 10 people tbh
hes hard with 30 though
strong forum
Ye the more people you have, the harder he is
jagged pier
yer we have some many low wipes on him now as we had like 27 people and just not enough room, plus people not potting would have killed him tbh if people did that, 'but its normal so i dont want to' their reasoning
hardy walrus
one more question boys, so if i pick ItF for raids, i should pick boolster or AM? and for m+ with thunderlord and ravager ?
strong forum
Bolster vs AM depends on the boss honestly
jagged pier
one more question boys, so if i pick ItF for raids, i should pick boolster or AM...
AM for damage bolster for defence
hardy walrus
tyvm
visual drift
Do you plan to wait for the next week to craft the next legendary or do you upgrade yours this week?
jagged pier
Ill have rank1 of both this week
and then just upgrade which one is better first
probably the wall for me as i focus on raiding more than m+
visual drift
Oh you can already have 2 at this week?
jagged pier
2 rank ones yer
visual drift
ohh okay
jagged pier
or 1 rank 2
smoky wave
totally torn on that one. I fury dungeons atm cos we've got a dh in our normal group. Not sure whether to get t2 tgv feet for 210ilvl or wait and hope the fury one drops from dungeons until I can raidfind for the signet
wasn't sure about the legendary system at first, but it definitely introduces some interesting choices.
strong forum
No need to upgrade it to t2 immediately, only when you're set in your way
The base effect is strong enough
smoky wave
but ilvl
you're right, I'm just impatient and like shiny things
but it's still interesting choices.
smoky wave
yeah, just the one
visual drift
so it make no sense to build a second one imho
I just run solo and TG, maybe m0 with friends
smoky wave
depends, I occasionally have to dps so a dps one makes sense for me. If I wasn't doing that I'd absolutely be making the leaper.
mighty smelt
so it make no sense to build a second one imho
Wall for raids and TG for M+
dense pivot
strong forum
TGV = Thundergods Vigor, the original TC reduces Demo shout CD legendary from legion
The origin of Thunderlord legendary
visual drift
AH okay. make sense
then i can upgrade my feet without issue since iwon't raid
thank you guys
forest fern
So with "the wall" equipped in raids is anger management mandatory, i still feel bolster is just more needed in the current gear scenario?
jagged pier
where did you get am is mandatory with the wall? you run AM for damage bolster for defence
forest fern
well i mean how it feeds the shield wall reduction even further with the wall
granted at a less rate but there is synergy between the two
jagged pier
I mean its not really you get it back sooner sure but bolster will still probably do more for you anyway because SB uptime is garbage
forest fern
well yeah that's what i meant, which is worth it more and as i suspect bolster 🙂
i just needed a validation opinion cause i haven't checked any data on it
jagged pier
you definatly take the sw CDR conduit though
sick sentinel
hi guys, it's my first time trying to tank ... how do you know what to clear and what not to (you need the %)
is there like an addon telling you what to pull ?
ionic fern
Hello, welcome to the good life.
This is probably what you are looking for @sick sentinel
lofty widget
are ppl still running dragon roar over booming voice with the thunderlord legendary?
ionic fern
We haven't been running Dragon Roar since it got nerfed. 👀
Well, the majority hasn't.
sick sentinel
thank you
sick sentinel
Hello, welcome to the good life.
only doing it to get myth gear ... i hate prot actually xD but can't find groups if i don't
ionic fern
Oh hei, that's how i got into tanking ages ago.
Wanted to DPS but ques took like 20+ minutes.
So i just swapped to tank spec and got ques in like 5 seconds.
😂
sick sentinel
i know
but i don't know what to pull
so i fail
and also ... i'm not good at tanking
i might suvive higher keys on my fury
jagged pier
are ppl still running dragon roar over booming voice with the thunderlord legend...
should be running BV 100% of the time now regardless of leggo
lethal arrow
Second boss of castle nath is so tough
restive flax
hunter?
restive flax
What are you struggling with?
restive flax
If you are the one tanking the second bear you should also start with the first bear.
Your raid should be able to kill the first one within one tank swap
so you can go into the second phase without a bleed on you
lethal arrow
Yeah that’s not the issue
restive flax
oh
lethal arrow
I guess just wondering if anyone else was getting smashed
restive flax
not by that bear no.
the third one hurts like a bitch if you let him stand still too long LUL
lethal arrow
Yeah got the 3rd bear a few times
ebon silo
hey does anybody know why ravager doesnt proc signet ?
restive flax
Because its not supposed to?
inner harbor
some of these anima powers are lol. 160% tclap dmg, 160% of tclap dmg as healing. 😮
ebon silo
but it does for arms when speced in ravager
signal plover
Np
inner harbor
i've successfully turned tclap into a Lay on Hands
signal plover
Welcome to torghast lol
I think big dam spear builds are my fave so far. Especially if you get the IP triggers SW power as well
autumn jolt
So I’m gonna try to pug Castle Nathria this weekend when I’m off work. I’m 182 as prot right now. Is that an ok ilevel to tank Normal?
jagged pier
I wouldnt bother your ilvls enough but the raid is difficult to pug alot of mechanics that need to be done
wispy tundra
You can also go up to 4 stacks of bleed and cleanse yourself if you're Kyrian. Bear is down by that point too. 😉
autumn jolt
Yeah that’s always been my problem. No raiding guild or RL friends for several xpacs now lol
So I get my pve primarily from M+ but really want to get into raiding
Toward the end of BfA, I had a lot of fun pugging nylotha
rich kelp
mechanics for tank are not incredible in this raid, only basics (swap, ect...) so i think you'll be fine
jagged pier
its not the tank mechanics im talking about
a lot of the other mechanics that other ppl have to deal with pugs wont be able to do, plus the raid isnt a cake walk either even on normal your gunna wipe alot in pugs and i would say most of them will fall apart before they get every far.
if you really want to raid you should look for a guild imo
rich kelp
yes sure
but he can truely get some bosses in PU it's not hard, but i agree with u, you gonna wipe a lot
autumn jolt
Welp, guess I’ll stick with M+ and wait for LFR 😂
viral garden
I've got a sort of specific question. Got told to check here for perhaps stat weights? But here was the question:
Let's assume we're comparing two pieces of gear of the same ilvl to keep it simple.
I know the stat priority is Haste > Vers > Crit/Mastery
Would it be more ideal to go for an item that is haste/vers and perhaps heavier on the vers stat on that item (not by choice), or go for an item that's heavy haste and doesn't matter what the other stat is, as long as the piece is heavy haste?
jagged pier
haste always
uneven mason
its Haste > Vers=>crit >> Mast
jagged pier
the other 3 stats are really close
jagged pier
crit doesnt have much value in raid but in m+ its good
smoky wave
why is that? more mobs so hit more so more value from critical blocks?
jagged pier
more parrys
viral garden
So the consensus is ilvl > heavy haste > everything is whatever?
smoky wave
aha, ta
jagged pier
crit gives parry
jagged pier
So the consensus is ilvl > heavy haste > everything is whatever?
yes
viral garden
Thanks
modern brook
why is that? more mobs so hit more so more value from critical blocks?
crit blocks is mastery; Crit gives parry which gets more value the more you're being auto attacked for obvious reasons
I'm p sure though crit>verse for dungeon isnt as clear cut this exp though
waaaay too many casters
smoky wave
crit blocks is mastery; Crit gives parry which gets more value the more you're b...
doh, big thanks for clarifying that, I'm well out of understanding how things work nowadays.
strong forum
So the consensus is ilvl > heavy haste > everything is whatever?
Si
jagged pier
I would say in general if you do both you want vers just as it give you the more in more content, but honestly most of your Damage reduction comes from play not stats
modern brook
yeah obviously
But like the avg melee intake over the dungeons last exp was like
High 60s at worst
this expact its pretty clearly only about half your damage
strong forum
I'm p sure though crit>verse for dungeon isnt as clear cut this exp though
Na even for m+ vers is slightly better now I think, because there's just alot of majigcks and dot shit
Dmg profiles aren't as melee heavy anymore
hasty copper
Is prot warrior really crap this xpac? Really strugling on anything over 6, some packs just do a lot of damage even through defensives.
modern brook
I said that just without yellow 😠
hasty copper
Am I just playing it wrong, or are prot warriors just weak atm?
jagged pier
Is prot warrior really crap this xpac? Really strugling on anything over 6, some...
likely your playing it wrong im afriad
modern brook
you're probably playing it wrong
jagged pier
what are your talents
strong forum
Is prot warrior really crap this xpac? Really strugling on anything over 6, some...
Warri is fine tbh, haven't had any issues in my keys so far
Will do a couple 10s this night I think
wispy tundra
It's all about maintaining your rotation, pre planning pulls
smoky wave
it's very punishing when you do play it wrong too
strong forum
Also having good dps
signal plover
Man slapping ITF back on during heroic last night felt rly good but I cried a small tear for my boi ravager
uneven mason
parry is very strong given enough attacks, so the law of averages takes hold faster, we're reducing all the attacks so much already, vers has minimal impact, mastery has minimal impact (Because we should be blocking almost 100% of the time) so the only real meaningful reduction would be to 0, also, we still have parry haste.
strong forum
Good dps make or break any key, if your dps is bad pulls take longer and you start struggling with mechanics
signal plover
Good DPS also know what to stop/kick
uneven mason
parry haste leads to more SS resets etc...
open monolith
If you want to feel severe depression, open a 2nd DETAILS! window for interrupts in a m+
assuming you're pugging
jagged pier
it always been that way
uneven mason
Is prot warrior really crap this xpac? Really strugling on anything over 6, some...
We're stronger at base defensively than we were in BFA.
We're just unforgiving on bad play, all the other tanks are reactive with their error correction, we're 100% proactive with it, so, no error correction, but we take less damage by far when played right.
open monolith
Warrior's main problem is bad streamers/youtubers/tier list creators
jagged pier
they were a bit of the problem but its more people dont know how to play them now
open monolith
I mean, I don't watch anyone
consuming video content of WoW seems like such a hilarious waste of time
young oasis
Guys, we need to do 14+ this week for max reward, right?
uneven mason
Warrior's main problem is bad streamers/youtubers/tier list creators
Our main problem is that people come in thinking they can be reactive like literally every other tank.
open monolith
aight so what does "deflect" vs "reflect" mean? Reflect is obvious, it's uno reverse card. Does deflect mean you just take no damage from it but don't send it back to them?
modern brook
basically
uneven mason
Guys, we need to do 14+ this week for max reward, right?
Yes, good luck though only a few in the world have done 14s so far.
uneven mason
aight so what does "deflect" vs "reflect" mean? Reflect is obvious, it's uno rev...
Deflect means it doesn't hit you, reflect means it hits them instead.
modern brook
a deflect just prevents the ability from affecting you
modern brook
Yeah you also wont get a debuff/dot if applicable
open monolith
man spell reflect is crazy strong against Darkvein and Hungering destroyer
wish I had known that before my pug raid
jagged pier
can solo tank darkvien kinda fun
solar crown
I find stuff in the pin-spreadsheet from time to time
open monolith
do you just save it for warped desires only?
or do you try to also deflect shared suffering
I don't think it's up frequently enough for that
jagged pier
you can deflect every other warped so u just stay at 1 stack
open monolith
Right right, but then when the container gets higher and we have to deal with shared suffering
do you worry about deflecting that as well or just stick to the 1-stack goal
uneven mason
1 stack if you're solo tanking ov
open monolith
it's the 33% (maybe 66%) tank jar mechanic
you get linked onto a random member
and they take the damage you take
jagged pier
didnt notice it. 🤷
open monolith
ideally only happens at the very beginning
yeah that's something a healer would notice more than you, lol
I had thought that after she focuses jar #4 she'd go back to #1
turns out the fight is a DPS check
wispy tundra
good time to pop a cool down while you get the jar down
open monolith
I'm torn. With limited play time, I am enjoying the raid more than I thought, but I really only have time to either A) spam m+ for gear (which seems the better choice in terms of loot or B) pug the raid more
solar crown
For those who use 'the wall' atm, what talents are you rocking? im considdering rav/AM, and put 'stalwart Guardian' (conduit) on top.. 1-2min CD on shield wall sounds nice but dunno if its worth the effort
jagged pier
For those who use 'the wall' atm, what talents are you rocking? im considdering ...
run that or bolster depending on if you need the defence
modern brook
m+ spam for gear feels very inefficient this exp tbh.
jagged pier
^^
open monolith
I mean, sure
but Castle Nathria is SIGNIFICANTLY harder on normal than previous raid tiers
so I can kill 5 bosses and get 1 piece of loot in 9 hours
or I can spam 10 dungeons and get more
lol
jagged pier
not really you can spam 10 dungeons and get none
solar crown
run that or bolster depending on if you need the defence
i'm torn between that and bolster + unnerving focus.. gotta try them both but it sucks if it's a swing and a miss
open monolith
Yes, I can, but that hasn't been my experience so far
modern brook
thats what I've done :^)
lusty ember
Guild team runs Monday/Tuesday so that made the mythic spam more appealing
open monolith
but at our current gear levels and this expac's tuning / scaling, Bolster is just toooo good
solar crown
its not for the extra damage, its to decrease CD on shield wall maximum
open monolith
fuck man, i'd give anything for a Mon/Tues guild that needed a tank and raided at night
modern brook
then you shouldnt be playing AM
solar crown
but ye, i've been running bolster up untill now
modern brook
AM is at its core an offensive option
open monolith
^
modern brook
Like
open monolith
The shield wall aspect is a bonus
open monolith
Shield Wall is a pretty underwhelming CD
But you know what ISNT underwhelming?
Bolster.
wispy tundra
^
modern brook
my point is that you're getting a larger defensive bonus by having a better 2nd defensive in bolster
open monolith
Bolster is 200iq big pp talent.
modern brook
With the obvious caveat of
open monolith
You want big pp, don't ya?
solar crown
you're right, thanks for helping me pick 😄
lusty ember
fuck man, i'd give anything for a Mon/Tues guild that needed a tank and raided a...
I had to join during BFA and go through endless trial stuff lol
modern brook
"if you only ever take damage every minute for 8s, 1 minute shieldwall is busted"
open monolith
yeah I'll likely be a pug star forever Stag
open monolith
Nobody needs tanks, and my availability is extremely limited (I mean, self-imposed. I want to spend time with wife and daughter, so I only want to raid when they are asleep)
uneven mason
My GM (also a prot warrior) gets mad anytime I mention gearing for prot, cause I want to tank, but am DPS for raid, so they want me to focus on that 😦
modern brook
no one needs tanks sure but theres a lot of guilds outh there with people playing tank that dont want to
my advice, if you care to try and find a guild, is apply as a dps w/ a up to date tank
open monolith
Yes, but also consider: I am unwilling to switch servers. I can only raid 3 days of the week and only after 10pm EST.
lusty ember
I have a question actually while I'm here soaking up knowledge. How good is ravager?
open monolith
Nah I don't want to DPS. Not interested this expac.
jagged pier
best talent for m+
uneven mason
80% less meme
modern brook
Ravager put its partying days behind it
open monolith
Stag, Ravager is 300iq big pp talent
modern brook
It means business this expac
lusty ember
Okay, I need to take that and ditch AM it seems
modern brook
you can keep am if u wanna
uneven mason
differnt talent tiers?
open monolith
Ravager / Bolster is 500iq humongous pp talents
uneven mason
🤷♂️
ravager feeds AM
cause of big rage
but yeah for M+ Bolster should be the go to.
jagged pier
if you need defence you take bolster otherwise just run AM
modern brook
^
uneven mason
AM for DEEPUS
lusty ember
Cheers guys big help
mighty smelt
Ravager even with DR leggo right?
mighty smelt
BIG PP TIME
jagged pier
DR leggo?
modern brook
I'm glad you asked jake
mighty smelt
@jagged pier We dont shout we roar
jagged pier
what?
lusty ember
I have thunderlord is that okay?
solar crown
Lots of 'tanks' are gonna quit tanking by next week, so just chill and be ready to step in @open monolith ^^
open monolith
Like, you know that bug in Cyberpunk 2077 where if you make your pp too big it just kinda... hangs out of any pants you equip?
That's what happens when you take Ravager / Bolster
modern brook
Tlords is BIS for m+
lusty ember
Great
open monolith
Wall is still good for m+
just not AS good.
but also SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER for raid than TL
mighty smelt
I imagine Wall might be the go to on some Tyranical dungeons right?
lusty ember
I guess also while I'm nitpicking talents I really like storm bolt but is rumbling earth better for keys?
open monolith
trash still matters in tyrannical
Rumbling Earth is a trap
a big doodootrap for smol pp low iq play
jagged pier
I guess also while I'm nitpicking talents I really like storm bolt but is rumbli...
higher you go in keys the better stormbolt is
lusty ember
Why is that?
open monolith
Extra interrupt
jagged pier
4 sec stun on a caster extra intuprt etc etc
glacial skiff
why does the wowhead talent page suggest unstoppable force instead of ravager for M+ when ravager seems to be better?
or is it taking into consideration you have thunderlord?
mighty smelt
Does storm bolt interupt more than Shockwave? I use Shockwave as an AoE interupt most times
open monolith
Kekse even with thunderlord you want Ravager
The guides saying you want UF are a bit of a hot topic in this server
glacial skiff
why? i'd think unstoppable would gain value with thunderlord
wispy tundra
Does storm bolt interupt more than Shockwave? I use Shockwave as an AoE interupt...
good for a long distance interrupt
jagged pier
Does storm bolt interupt more than Shockwave? I use Shockwave as an AoE interupt...
yer but you get both with sotrmbolt
jagged pier
why? i'd think unstoppable would gain value with thunderlord
it does just not enough
glacial skiff
?
open monolith
because Tclap isn't your highest priority button, and it being available constantly feels bad when you ignore it for 2 or 3 GCDs
let me finish typing
- ravager is more DPS over the course of a fight / dungeon
mighty smelt
yer but you get both with sotrmbolt
Not AoE? The distance interupt makes sense though
jagged pier
Not AoE? The distance interupt makes sense though
well you have the aoe stun anyway, you get stormbolt as well
open monolith
(note: AM isn't bad, but Bolster is much better at our current gear levels)
All of these things combined = you should take Ravager.
mighty smelt
well you have the aoe stun anyway, you get stormbolt as well
Ahh yeah good point!
glacial skiff
i though tclap goes up in value in aoe?
open monolith
Value, but not priority
jagged pier
not really you still want to for rage and ss reset
glacial skiff
not over revenge, but when you need to conserve rage
mellow patio
UF is useless without AM. In aoe ravager is just better
open monolith
You don't use Revenge if it costs rage
other than maybe once or twice at the beginning to solidify aggro
jagged pier
yes you do
glacial skiff
so with all that you're all telling me i think the wall may be a better leggo
open monolith
or if you're IP capped / rage capped
jagged pier
you do use revenge now a lot more
lusty ember
Yeah I do so much revenging
open monolith
if you are using Rage on Revenge, and don't have rage to use IP / Shield BLock when you need it, you are playing poorly.
glacial skiff
yeah, i rebinded revenge where i used to have devastate lol
open monolith
I'm not addressing running heroics / m0 - m4
lusty ember
On that note is punish worth it ever? I hate using devestator
open monolith
I'm talking about when you are actually getting your shit pushed in by pulls.
You shouldn't be spamming revenge.
jagged pier
On that note is punish worth it ever? I hate using devestator
can use it if you want
mellow patio
Spamming is different than saying you don’t use it if it costs rage
jagged pier
but its less rage and hard to weave devastate in to the rotation
open monolith
you don't use it often
in a m9 and higher, you're gonna need every ounce of rage to not die
At current gear levels
once we overgear everything, then yeah, pump that revenge button like it owes you money
lusty ember
I mean 40 rage here and there to keep AoE threat off mm hunters is a necessity
But I see your point
glacial skiff
so as an offspec/m+ tank would i be better off crafting the wall vs thunderlord?
open monolith
Stag if your MM hunters are pulling aggro
they are mentally retarded
because they have misdirect
and feign death
lusty ember
Look that's a fair drag on them
mellow patio
yeah I leave that group if they don’t md before burst
open monolith
My friend has 2 macros on his bar:
mellow patio
I will get so toxic
open monolith
1 to focus me
and 1 to misdirect his focus
Kekse if your primary activity is m+, I'd craft TL
if your primary activity is raid, I'd craft the wall
If you want to do both equally, Just think about which one you want to perform BETTER in, and craft that one first.
Eventually, you'll have a rank 4 of both
glacial skiff
i'll most likely have more opportunity to tank M+