just ignore the haters smh
#protection
torn gulch
and have shield wall like every minute
torn gulch
with a certain combo
modern brook
imagine playing a stinky cloth spec that doesnt even have a shield 4head
young glen
Other Side +11 is pain
open monolith
I bet. I barely cleared a DOS 9 on time. 36 seconds left, no wipes.
sweet summit
mists kinda owns
open monolith
NW is super easy
sick sentinel
hey, kinda new to tanking m+. is there anywhere i can find a weekly updated mdt route?
sick sentinel
dont know enough to do that tbh
uneven mason
grab the dungeon tools, fiddle with paths and save em
coral marsh
i have no intereset in even touching mythic+ now that the rewards are trash
uneven mason
No time like the present to learn
open monolith
oh man, you can do a PERFECT 100% pull in Spires including 1 mob skip
coral marsh
why is this game raid or die again
open monolith
(according to MDT)
wdym rewards are trash?
you get more loot from m+ than normal raids
coral marsh
the rewards are cancerouf
torn gulch
lol
coral marsh
normal raid lol
torn gulch
hahahahahahahahaha
open monolith
um, they aren't though
sweet summit
coral marsh
NORMAL RAID
uneven mason
Normal Raids~
open monolith
......are you forgetting about the loot you get at the end of a dungeon?
jagged pier
wtf are you on dude?
sweet summit
grab the addon called mythic dungeon tools
open monolith
Are you okay?
sick sentinel
thanks:)
open monolith
Just curious, how much of Castle Nathria Heroic have you cleared?
coral marsh
im just saying if you keep playing m+ you are simping to raiders and blizz
open monolith
since "normal raid" makes you laugh so hard
coral marsh
they literally treat you like dogs
jagged pier
not really
torn gulch
by the way 210 optimised gear is better than 213 trash secondaries
civic rover
no, i play m+ because i like it
open monolith
I mean, I got a nice 200 helmet from m+ with sick haste on it. I feel pretty happy with my m+ rewards
also a real nice 187 haste neck
yep, m+ is def worth it
jagged pier
^^
open monolith
I'm guessing Adrenalin hasn't actually stepped foot in the raid yet and thinks normal/heroic CN is like normal/heroic EN
he's in for a nasty surprise
civic rover
its almost like blizz wants it to take time to get geared instead of getting full BiS in two weeks
open monolith
what's your character and server name
torn gulch
yep char and server name
coral marsh
raiding gets everything now
a mythic raider will literally outgear shit on you in myth+ and pvp
XD
jagged pier
no?
open monolith
so what's your character and server name Adrenalin?
jagged pier
only 2 bosses drop higher ilvl loot than you get in the cache
torn gulch
there is BARELY ANY GEAR IN RAIDS
sturdy sable
3 pieces of loot per raid boss doesnt seem like a very fast way to gear when the raid has 20+ people
open monolith
I'd like to see your raid progress, since normal / heroic is such a joke to you.
civic rover
i mean yeah, that doesn't change that much lol raid has always been the most "efficient" way to gear.
coral marsh
raiders also get the cache for raiding
sturdy sable
and thats even if you get to go to these raids
jagged pier
so? you cna as well
torn gulch
yeah a 3-7-10 bosses
sturdy sable
and with this attitude i can tell its not often
civic rover
LOL
jagged pier
and they still only get to pick one piece
lusty marsh
Normal was certainly tougher than bfa but it wasn't that bad until we got to KT.
jagged pier
same as you they just get more choice
lusty marsh
I was also shit with my defensives the first 3 fights. Bad war is bad.
open monolith
i 100% guarantee you Adrenalin hasn't cleared shriekwing on normal.
Dude is a bad troll, lol
sturdy sable
i mean
quiet sandal
i mean i don't think he's trolling, just a bad mindset to have imo shouldn't solely play for the loot rewards
sturdy sable
its hard to los a boss you know
open monolith
You expect me to pay attention to cast bars, read dungeon journals, and FOLLOW EVERYONE ELSE?
quiet sandal
M+ rewards are fine because they're spammable
open monolith
How. Dare. You.
torn gulch
like 210 gear is very similar to 213 gear
coral marsh
simping for timegates
uneven mason
M+ rewards are fine because they're spammable
this~
jagged pier
lul boasting about vers LUL
torn gulch
and better with the right secondaries
coral marsh
this game is doomed if it goes back to that
lusty marsh
I'm was actually surprised how many people got hit by the Los mechanic in my group.
civic rover
vers bad 
astral orbit
Vers stacking gang
civic rover
its like rezan lmao
jagged pier
vers is trash
torn gulch
haste stacking gang
open monolith
my pug got hit by 0 shriekwing stuff. I was super surprised
fierce tendon
Hastebois out there?
civic rover
ilvl stacking gang 
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
you want ilvl
astral orbit
Euw imagine stacking full haste as a tank
lusty marsh
I thought verse was our 2nd top secondary stat.
open monolith
yes but group finder can't see your haste, so you want ilvl to get invites
fierce tendon
just buy crappy boes without haste to boost ur ilvl for the group invites
quiet sandal
nice bro
civic rover
you understand that haste is our best defensive stat right
open monolith
This server is getting some great visitors today
jagged pier
wow people actually boast about ilvl too?
torn gulch
if i have a 210 giga haste vs 213 neh stats
civic rover
the "vers bad" is a meme from when corruption was a thing because hella people stacked vers amps when they didn't need to.
open monolith
I'd still probably take the 213 meh vs the 210 giga haste
unless it was a ring / neck / trinket
fierce tendon
tbh I'm getting sweaty thinking about my ilvl when I buy all the blanks from the AH and equip them
I'll get invited for sure
open monolith
Hell yeah dude.
jagged pier
take more armour 
lusty marsh
Wait lol, can you use blanks to fake ilvl
open monolith
armor, stam
torn gulch
yes you can
open monolith
str
jagged pier
Wait lol, can you use blanks to fake ilvl
yep
fierce tendon
Its hilarious lol
lusty marsh
Another reason to not trust ilvl
signal plover
Man it's like limit killed denathrius so all the stream simps just dispersed into random chats
fierce tendon
Huge plays in the dungeon finder
dense pivot
buy full bags of shit boes 
torn gulch
i have 235 shoulders
uneven mason
Man it's like limit killed denathrius so all the stream simps just dispersed int...
is that what happened
torn gulch
did they downed it on heroic?
uneven mason
yes
open monolith
did Limit get the kill last night?
torn gulch
they were at 13%
open monolith
I fell asleep watching it
signal plover
Idk man my tin foil hat is goin off
They killed an hour ago or something lol check wowhead bots
jagged pier
we didnt say it sucks for tanks
open monolith
stop being a tool
signal plover
You did tho
astral orbit
If I am a tool then use me then
jagged pier
we said its not great for us
signal plover
As a meme
astral orbit
Daddy chill
open monolith
jesus christ you are obnoxious
ilvl >> Haste >>>>>>>> vers/crit > mastery
vers is fine
you just don't go out of your way to stack it
astral orbit
Source: Trust me bro
jagged pier
I mean its not trust me bro its literal maths
signal plover
Source: literal theory crafting in this discord lol
open monolith
Haste = CDR on all abilities including shield block = more rage = more shield block up time = more damage mitigation
vers = tiny tiny tiny percents of damage reduction
but hey... go ahead and stack vers and ignore haste. Maybe warrior will get buffed if everyone keeps playing the class like shit
S I L V E R L I N I N G S
jagged pier
dont say that sock ill get bored playing it again it will be a snooze fest
fierce tendon
I'm liking prot so far tho I do hella dmg and am relatively tanky
strong forum
vers is good, but you do prio haste over it by a large margin because of the simple fact that we arent even close to reaching high uptime on block, we lost a chunk of AM uptime coming from BFA into SL, even in BFA Haste was generally the better stat to choose outside of omega vers stacking for 25+ keys.
The general has been and continues even further to be ilvl >> haste >> vers=crit > mastery
lusty marsh
Who wants to yell at me for how bad I tanked cn last night.
Wait does #449510248579858432 do tanks?
uneven mason
Let us know.
astral orbit
Daddy chill please
lusty marsh
I was mainly joking/curious. I know the big things I need to focus on in the short term. Maybe I'll post logs tonight now that I have things in mind.
steel mauve
usually you can plug logs in either log review or some people in the past have voiced concerns about prot people rarely visiting the channel and have plugged them her for prot specific coverage
open monolith
I think my worst habit as a prot warrior is pressing SB / IP together at the same time VERY frequently
lusty marsh
Before I built the wall I didn't even shield wall hides in shame
open monolith
I mean, idk if that's a problem, I usually have enough rage to hit SB anytime I need it, but I do spam IP a lot otherwise
lusty marsh
I did way better after I built my legendary and was more mindful of my big cd's
lusty marsh
Yeah, I swapped out brutal vitality for the shield wall cooldown.
That I can never remember the name of.
Stalwart defender?
open monolith
Brutal Vitality, at current gear levels and current tuning, is useless
It will probably skyrocket in value when we overgear everything
but currently it is dogshit
uneven mason
It will probably skyrocket in value when we overgear everything
Or when we stack 50% vers HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
open monolith
I got decent heal numbers out of Fueled By Violence
like, nothing spectacular
5 - 11% or so
I don't think any of our endurance conduits are amazeballs.
fierce tendon
I've been running impending victory conduit and talent, I actually get similar %'s
Its nice tho having a choice
open monolith
I wish I could find a GIF from the intro cinematic of DCUO where superman calls Lex a madman
that's how I feel about you right now
fierce tendon
Lmao
ivory matrix
total n00b question: Why is it that different guides recommends putting a certain legendary on specific slots? The Wall is recommended for Shoulder/Back and Thunderlord is recommended for Feet or Hands for example? Is it a huge deal what slot I craft?
strong forum
Execute lets me get the last hit a lot :p
so you lose all the value out of Impending Victory
nice
fervent junco
more base stats
ivory matrix
wouldn't that be true for every slot?
open monolith
@ivory matrix different slots have different stat values
you will get significantly more stats from shoulders vs a cloak, for example
strong forum
Last Hits already grant you Victory Rush, which completely then defeats the use of Impending Victory Himbloid
open monolith
just open your character sheet and look at the stats on your Chest vs Wrists
You want your legendary on the piece that will give you more stats, because the legendary will be higher ilvl
ivory matrix
yeah, but why would anyone recommend putting it on a cloak over chest then?
open monolith
thus, more stats
strong forum
yeah, but why would anyone recommend putting it on a cloak over chest then?
nobody does
open monolith
nobody would ever say cloak over chest
ivory matrix
as many guides do
steel mauve
total n00b question: Why is it that different guides recommends putting a certai...
stat budget and other loot drops, like hands have our bis stats from raid where as boots dont, shoulders give more stats than the cloak does for the wall
strong forum
Cloak is the SINGLE worst slot to put a legendary on
steel mauve
those are your only 2 choices
strong forum
this just shows your 2 choices
steel mauve
you can only put the wall on shoulders or cloak
dense pivot
it probably lists 2 possible choces
ivory matrix
oh okay
dense pivot
you can't put legos wherever
open monolith
I was about to @ionic fern so hard
steel mauve
legs only have 2 choice, idk if ther are any with 3
open monolith
FALSE ALARM.
open monolith
So is anyone remotely impressed at my perfect 100% spires route?
is there a way to "publish" MDT routes?
dense pivot
signet legs mini skirt
fierce tendon
Last Hits already grant you Victory Rush, which completely then defeats the use ...
isn't that basically just saying the talent is useless in entirety?
open monolith
yes
Impending victory is only good if you get absolutely 0 last hits ever, pretty much
steel mauve
it has niche uses, but the downside of IV is that it costs rage, it costs a gcd that could be used on some thing else, and it takes away from another talent that will most likely out heal it
open monolith
wait IV costs rage?
chilly brook
isn't that basically just saying the talent is useless in entirety?
I mean basically yes Impending Victory is useless
chilly brook
You need to be using it on CD, and not waste it for it to even be a considerable alternative to Indom
strong forum
isn't that basically just saying the talent is useless in entirety?
the Talent isnt Useless, but its only useful if you can use it on CD and when you cant get killing blows
chilly brook
Not to mention the other benefits Indom has
fierce tendon
I wonder how much healing I'm missing out with in indom, in large pack pulls I've been outhealing some healers
open monolith
IV is objectively better OH SHIT BURST HEALING
steel mauve
and ya the biggest downside is that it needs toi be used on cd, which isnt always the case, indom is always useful, where as if you sit on IV cd to wait to use it, it will heavily devalue
chilly brook
Healing is not your concern
open monolith
but indom is significantly better overall healing through the whole dungeon (most of the time)
chilly brook
You're not a DK
chilly brook
If you want to play a DK play a DK lmao
steel mauve
and ya, we are a heavily mitigation tank, we dont try to boost our weaker points of self healing, that will in turn hinder you
grand drum
You should be mitigating damage, not healing it
chilly brook
^
open monolith
You should be yelling at enemies and then aggressively running away because everything hurts so bad right now
steel mauve
basically indom helps smooth our damage intake which is a distant cousin of mitigation
fierce tendon
hmmmmmmm
steel mauve
its just a term of how valuable a talent is, indom will almost always have value in some form or another
chilly brook
We've been down this road before
steel mauve
but there are so many things that devalue IV
chilly brook
You're not breaking new ground or running a talent build that no one else thought of
fierce tendon
Clearly not because there's only 3 to pick from lol
chilly brook
Theres only 1 to pick from
open monolith
He isn't trying to be a pioneer or explain something NEW AND AMAZING he found, Griff
he just mentioned he used it
and we are educating him why maybe he shouldn't
steel mauve
but both the main stream guides written by people who have been TC'ing this for a very long time state not to use it for those specific reasons, even if they dont go into those details
chilly brook
I'm being a dick I know
open monolith
a little aggressive, yeah lol
chilly brook
But theres a reason
The builds are the way they are for a reason
And the explanation for not using IV is readily available in even the guides
visual gull
anyone who can send pawn stat weights for prot warr
open monolith
that's not a good reason to be a dick, lol
fierce tendon
I think I'll try dom for raid next time, I still love using it in m+ and torghast
chilly brook
NO UNINSTALL THAT TRASH
open monolith
sometimes people prefer human interaction
chilly brook
Sorry caps
open monolith
You do you, Himbloid
warm apex
Tanking +5s with a 184 shield and dps trinkets alright?
chilly brook
But uninstall pawn
steel mauve
they dont really go into those details though unless its some where else in the ICV guide, it just says it will fall behind
open monolith
just know that indom is, in most cases, better ๐
chilly brook
For the love of your sanity uninstall pawn
visual gull
why
fierce tendon
Weights are troll
chilly brook
Because it's bad lol
steel mauve
and ya, pawn is an abomination that shouldnt ever be used, especially with tank specs
chilly brook
Weights are off
visual gull
wow chill guys
chilly brook
You have to sim everytime you get an upgrade to update pawn
visual gull
๐
ocean kayak
whats the 50 talent you guys are taking? Ive got Bolster atm
chilly brook
Which defeats the entire "purpose" of the addon to begin with
And you're only simming for damage
Plenty of reasons to just yeet that addon
steel mauve
just use raidbots once its been updated correctly, but then again thats only for dps gear, but you just follow the most simplistic gearing weve probably ever had for the last expac or 2
chilly brook
Because you'll be simming anyways
steel mauve
ilvl>haste>>ver=crit>mastery
chilly brook
whats the 50 talent you guys are taking? Ive got Bolster atm
Bolster for mitigation, AM for damooj
steel mauve
@ocean kayak bolster or AM for lower keys/boosting for the dps
visual gull
ilvl>haste>>ver=crit>mastery
thanks
ocean kayak
Heavy Rep goes in the bin?
steel mauve
i think like 16%, not on my war atm
steel mauve
HR isnt bad, but the other 2 just beat it
chilly brook
Within reason without dropping ilvl
visual gull
Get as much as you can
ok thanks
open monolith
Bolster so good
grand drum
Bolster should be baseline
warm bolt
what about t45 tree? itf vs uf vs rav for single target in raid? ^^
steel mauve
itf for single target, ravager otherwise
formal river
I'd stick with ravager for everything. The rage gen is great even single target
warm bolt
mhh
fierce tendon
Ravager into spear of bastion is the gud shid
steel mauve
i should clarify itf is better single target dps and will win out, but ravager would most likely gen more rage
fierce tendon
Real men take condemn
condemn will be way better later too, I just hate revendreth as a zone lmao
open monolith
I was using ITF for the raid
probably should've switched to Ravager for sun king, but I didn't have one of those talent books
signal plover
Steward ;)
woven radish
Owl slave
strong forum
sunking is borderline meaningless to min max
formal river
Shush you kyrian prude.
Its op and you know it!
(Cries in useless casted teleport)
open monolith
imagine if door of shadows was instant cast
just imagine it.
Close your eyes and imagine it
how does it feel
formal river
I'm not playing that game with myself. It hurts too much
Maybe a cast while moving conduit
Like necro bubble
Could see that
latent tusk
should we buy the pvp trinket if we have the conquest ?
or save conquest for something else?
ember inlet
Daaamn today was a good day, got my protty up to 188
But that hakkar trinket avoids me
:(
open monolith
https://wago.io/w924DDQkI
^ 100.01% Spires route with 1 mob skip
I tried to add a note next to the mob skip part, but it kept putting the note on the first floor instead ๐ฆ
latent tusk
or should i use conquest to fill a 171 gear hole i have
like on glovev or belt or soemthing
tropic talon
how are protection warriors holding up in the higher-end on keys i.e. 10-14?
uneven mason
No one is really doing +13s easy right now
+10 is about as high as plausible to push it seems, that'll change by end of week I'm sure
but asking about 10-14 when there is like, only 3 teams with more than 1 +14 cleared
๐คค
that being said, Warriors are doing fine if you can play one, but very underrepresented right now, like we were in BFA.
limpid pawn
is there a way to sim different covenants with same gear set?
sweet summit
top gear
limpid pawn
ty
old dagger
what do you guys do whenever shield block falls off with no charge left for a few seconds?
open monolith
depends on the content
old dagger
M+
open monolith
am I in a m+10 with a big ouchy pull on me? Shock wave / spear / heroic leap away
or spam Ignore Pain
or use Last Stand with Bolster
or use Hakkar trinket
No 2 pulls are the same.
You must know all of your options and do whatever fits the situation
old dagger
I see, maybe I'm doing something wrong, but there are times I can't cast a second shield block
open monolith
a second?
old dagger
or extend it rather
old dagger
after I've used the two charges
steel mauve
there will awlays be gaps, you cant have a 100% upotime
open monolith
^ this
old dagger
ah
open monolith
Look at all the options I typed out
none of those were "just keep using shield block"
steel mauve
haste lowers the gaps, but thats where bolster comes in, you use last stand in rotation when you have a large gap in downtime
ebon jasper
nice. both 200 spear and brutal vitality
open monolith
with Bolster, you can get about 6 shield blocks (if you count bolster as 2 shield blocks) in a row
fuck you Sekai
also grats
but mostly fuck you
old dagger
thanks
open monolith
(with current gear levels / tuning)
open monolith
because every raid boss / m+ high key removes your ignore pain in 2 seconds
earnest lava
Frieda or Niklaus first? seems like a ton of interupts needed on frieda
lusty marsh
Question
With wall and AM how long is shield wall CD on average.
Wowhead is claiming 1minute but that doesn't seem right
finite prairie
Need help polishing artificer fight. In phase 2 what do you do when you have glyph of destruction and it lines up with seed explosion? Only thing we found was to try and blow CD's or pally bubble and pray
uneven mason
Imagine a 30second shield wall cd.
You mean like we had during Antorus?
lusty marsh
Oh, I didn't play in legion. Didn't know we had that dream.
open monolith
@finite prairie
tons of room for the Glyph to move to the east as well.
the Glyph will explode before the seeds, tank should have enough time to explode and get back in before seeds splode
This is how my pug did it, anyway
signal plover
U can just blow up to the side away from seeds and then leap out
open monolith
yeah idk what the falloff is for the glyph
so my pug handled it REAL safe by going to Egypt
signal plover
It's a pretty spicy meatball
open monolith
Just don't do what I do and accidentally leap through the portal back into the raid right before the glyph explodes
When we wiped, nobody knew what happened but me
so of course I said
"IDK, weird, go again"
uneven mason
Oh, I didn't play in legion. Didn't know we had that dream.
Well, we had a cycle with Anger Management, The Walls Fell, 4p T20, 2p T21. Where you had battle cry remove the CD from Shield Slam, AM reduced the CD of BC/SW/DS per 10 rage spent, Berserker Rage would produce rage and SS reduced the CD of Bserker rage by 3s each time..
signal plover
I clipped the portal near boss during big succ and ported right next to sword when it exploded
uneven mason
it was a silly memebuild but it was fun.
just infinite rage for IP, 100% Crit almost all the time, DS 100% uptime, and endless SS
SW had like a 30-40s CD
sick sentinel
Hey guys. I'm getting back into the game and looking to start tanking again after a break of 8 years. So, I feel pretty noob to it now. Any advice on where to start getting into it again?
uneven mason
clicking on play
I mean, 8 years is quite a bit
means you missed the introduciton of Mythic dungeons and such
sick sentinel
It is. Hence why I feel kind of out of the loop in terms of everything tank.
turbid cargo
uneven mason
Prot is actually reallly close to how we used to be.
turbid cargo
to victory
uneven mason
our abilities have not changed much
we still have sword and board
Shield Wall and Last stand our still our 2 big CDs
finite prairie
Word i see yeah thats what we were pretty much doing it was just a lot harder if it happened to our pally tank and not me
sick sentinel
Yeah, I see as much. I'm just wondering if it's worth doing something else before just jumping into heroics and wipe my ass to the ground for a month, haha
sick sentinel
Cool. Sounds good. Thank you!
astral crystal
Yeah most important thing Iโd say is get comfortable with your keybinds
And get some good weakauras
sick sentinel
Will do. Cheers!
uneven mason
now is a good time
open monolith
Just remember, to optimally play warrior you need 8 fingers on your left hand
and at least 62 buttons on your mouse.
uneven mason
since we're not neck deep in confusing layers of borrowed power
like we were at the end of BFA
sick sentinel
Still a shakedown from TBC tanking, with the buttons
open monolith
Pick Devastator
uneven mason
^
open monolith
remove Devastate from your bar forever
uneven mason
well
open monolith
never look back
uneven mason
while you level dont
open monolith
Never. Look. Back.
uneven mason
because you want devastate to have a button to press
since it doesn't proc S&B until later level
open monolith
nah. I took Devastator at level 15
uneven mason
thats you sock
open monolith
I have never once changed it
uneven mason
๐๏ธ
open monolith
I was #1 Prot warrior on Thrall for several hours on day of m+
and 64th in the world!
uneven mason
doesn't mean much when there is only 65 of us!
open monolith
for a few hours
#8 now on Thrall ๐ฆ still haven't completed a spires or Theater of pain
L I M I T E D P L A Y T I M E
sweet summit
290 IO i am ramping
rancid ember
that's a big oof
sweet summit
blockable means shield block should be active
block as in blocked with a shield
with shield block
lusty marsh
Gotcha
visual gull
whats the best addon/wa for keeping track on dots/debuffs
lusty marsh
So I was spell reflecting rip soul for no reason.
ionic fern
Thank god SR is OP on the last boss.
ionic fern
Join a pug.
ionic fern
Only me and the healer alive on the last boss.:z
ionic fern
Luckily SR saved the day
ANd still timed it.
Jeah, it was a disaster.
Damage done to the last boss.
finite prairie
What ability do you abuse SR on?
exotic spoke
Any boss you can :). SR OP
finite prairie
Yeah ok I guess I didn't ever pay attention to how much damage it was reflecting or assumed it just absorbed
A lot of abilities won't reflect
finite prairie
Word
dire jolt
i know TL is recommended for M+ over the wall, but is that just for the damage from BV? Would the wall be a better defensive choice if we're not as confident in our play yet?
astral crystal
Lmao
exotic spoke
It also extends the 20% damage reduction from demo shout
dire jolt
yeah I guess I'm wondering if the increased uptime for demo shout is as valuable as extra rage + shield wall cd defensively
I guess you get more rage from TL through BV demo shout actually
solar crown
Do anyone use Kleia instead of Pelagos? The 'Ascendant Phial' looks pretty strong, if it cleanses the current bleed and you are immune to new ones for 8s?
I'm thinking for raid, as you can time it so you use phial when you have 1 stack and 'something' is casting another one on you.
open monolith
No
Kleia is trash
Hot stinky doodoo trash
Why did they have to make vigilant strikes not gain any new charges for 60 seconds D:
uneven mason
i know TL is recommended for M+ over the wall, but is that just for the damage f...
Its more rage, more damage, higher uptime on a short CD defensive
solar crown
well, i get that combat meditation is better then valiant strikes, but the phial 'buff' looks so tasty
warm blaze
quick semi prot semi arms question, do you guys think it would be better to raid as arms with mythic prot gear over random heroic dps gear?
sweet summit
i dont understand the question
dps gear and tank gear is the same besides trinkets and weapons
warm blaze
like
uneven mason
wat
warm blaze
bunch of my gear has vers on it
uneven mason
ok
"stats"
vers primarily increases damage by a flat %
its defensive value is half of that, 2ndary
all stats will increase your damage
there hasn't been "tank gear" and "DPS gear" since like...MoP?
when did they remove hit and expertise
exotic spoke
If youโre talking about raiding arms - generally Iโd say sim yourself. However, Iโm not sure if the dps sims are up to date.
It may not be ideal, but no matter what itโll be functional
warm blaze
ahh okay yeah i havent played anything other than classic, and vanilla/tbc pservers, still figuring out retail
exotic spoke
At least youโre not havoc ๐
ebon tide
Sorry to pop in mid discussion. I was wondering if there was a good guide, or some guidelines as to what I can look for if I was trying to analyze my own logs for tanking. Good uptimes, CD usage, rage spent? Just unsure of what goals I should be aiming for in certain metrics. Wasn't sure if there was a place that kind of listed them all out as "things to look for in a prot warrior log"
warm blaze
ty for the help @uneven mason @exotic spoke
exotic spoke
I think classic tank / dps gearing is very similar now to retail. In that the tanks and dps are often utilize the same pieces.
At least up through AQ40. Havenโt looked to much at Naxx
gentle trellis
holy shit, cn heroic is no joke
uneven mason
Erm I mean, back in classic you still had stuff like "Bonus armor" "Dodge" "Parry"
"Defense"
Now its all Haste Mastery Versatility and Crit
exotic spoke
@uneven mason in the current iteration / meta youโre not Looking at defensive stats as much as youโre looking for hit / crit / expertise and dual wield tanking
Which is what I meant - youโre looking for the same stats effectively - hit / crit / AP in both dps / tanking in classic. With minimal defense / parry / dodge
uneven mason
DW tanking is a gimmic brought on by hyper nerfed content in "WoW Classic"
Itemization in current wow (as it has been) is the result of homogenization of stats so we don't have to carry around 3 sets of equipment and balance 2 "busy work" stats
earnest lava
any talent changes for sludgefest?
uneven mason
its the same gear, because that's the system, the stats provide benefits for both offense and defense.
earnest lava
running, 3/2/2/1/2/3/1 atm
exotic spoke
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Sorry that was regarding the classic and retail gearing thing. Donโt know about sludgefist yet
lavish kestrel
fury warrior here...how's torgast as prot?
exotic spoke
A joke
lavish kestrel
hmm yeah im venth
lavish kestrel
cool might give it a shot
prot dps aint bad and im feeling a bit squishy as fury in the higher lvls
uneven mason
yeah, I did my first wing as fury the first week
then I did the 2nd one as prot
1000x easier as prot
hardly even notice damage.
big D pulls
earnest lava
is rubble stuff on sludgefest random ?
struggling with it for positioning, not having much space to move to
sterile plover
k im throwing in the towel trying to push mythic keys as necrolord lol... anyone ever change covenants before? is it that punishing? trying to look it up
chilly brook
k im throwing in the towel trying to push mythic keys as necrolord lol... anyone...
Very easy if you're going to a covenant you haven't been a part of
sand kestrel
@sterile plover it's easy. Now if you try to go back to necro later it is kinda punishing. Have to do alot of questing
chilly brook
And necro is baaaaaad
sand kestrel
Join me as a Chad spear tossing kyrian bro.
astral crystal
Tbh people who think necro looks cool strike me as the kind who wear black shirts with the grim reaper wearing a bandanna and smoking a cigar depicted on it
Kapper
sterile plover
nah i just wanna pretend im a chaos chosen warrior
ionic fern
yea its horrificly bad... ability soulbinds ๐ฆ
If you like it, play it.
Chances are your covenant is not stopping you from doing m+ right now.
sterile plover
Chosen to be garbage
astral crystal
Chosen to be garbage
Feels bad man ๐
ionic fern
What key level are you at?
sterile plover
+5
ionic fern
Ok, that's definitely not a covenant issue.
uneven mason
k im throwing in the towel trying to push mythic keys as necrolord lol... anyone...
just a bit of time to catch up.
ionic fern
Do you happen to have any logs?
sterile plover
yea i can definitely push higher
uneven mason
Tbh people who think necro looks cool strike me as the kind who wear black shirt...
I have a T-shirt that has an angel with wings made from scyths does that count?
astral crystal
Based
uneven mason
bandanna is tacky though
modern brook
My guys going in on necrolords like he ain't choose night fae smh
astral crystal
Kyrian squad mount up
modern brook
Kyrian is based if you never look at anything besides throwing a big spear
astral crystal
Iโll put on my rook armor and crush you skeleboi
uneven mason
Bastion Xmog reminds me of Classic hunter crap
formal river
@astral crystal I like them because they look like 40k chaos warriors.
If I could be that size with that armor my life would be complete.
uneven mason
its too bad Necrolord sucks for covenant ability
because, I mean, it IS the most warrior like of the realms
it sould have been our class hall
formal river
Starting in maldraxxus with a battle royale was like.. "this feels homey"
uneven mason
Starting in maldraxxus with a battle royale was like.. "this feels homey"
Right.
twin comet
I went necro thinking they'd buff banner or the flesh shield.
valid sundial
They wont for a while
uneven mason
The issue with no one taking the weaker ones is that thye don't get data on WHY they're weaker though..
๐คทโโ๏ธ
could be a 2% difference but they don't know
formal river
No one choosing it gives them enough
valid sundial
its not like no one took it...
formal river
I say just put it on your back k instead of the ground
valid sundial
there will be data for it
formal river
Extend duration
valid sundial
for real, feels bad when I plant that banner and parry just stays the same
formal river
If I could run around a BG with banner on my back spamming charge emotes while buffing everyone...
I would go necro
lavish kestrel
holy shit you guys were right about prot in torghast...shit is so fuckin OP lmao
lunar jackal
guys is necro wake bugged or something? i can't click my steward to activate goliaths
uneven mason
guys is necro wake bugged or something? i can't click my steward to activate gol...
You can't IDK if its a bug or just doesn't work.
For some reason the NF abilities in their dungeons work but no golaiths in NW
next field
Is there anything special i need to do as prot in torghast
grand drum
My steward kept talking to me in the dungeon and his dialogue options didnt come up
uneven mason
Is there anything special i need to do as prot in torghast
murder stuff
lusty marsh
It's a bug that makes every action try and interact with your steward.
One of my team can still call their steward and activate goliaths
Wonder if it's an add on conflict
lusty marsh
No I have autoselect dialogue off
lusty marsh
If it was that, the menu would just close and it wouldn't cause the steward spam
rancid ember
What boss you doing 3rd? Hungering?
leaden steeple
yep hungering
rancid ember
Tank issue or the blue arrow mechanic? (cant think of name Voracious discharge or someshit?)
lusty marsh
Name a prot war that doesn't want to do hungering 3rd :p
signal plover
Volatile
lusty marsh
My groups biggest issue was arrows and ppl trained to bring target circles out of the raid.
leaden steeple
Tank issue or the blue arrow mechanic? (cant think of name Voracious discharge o...
yeah that voracious thing, pugs just wipe to it all the time
signal plover
It's "volatile ejection" kek
rancid ember
Idk man. Stack groups so that all the blue arrow people have to do is side step when they get it
tardy parcel
Re: Steward problem - heard it's related to Angry Keystones
rancid ember
The miasma leech is almost non-factor if you just stack the groups anyway
dense umbra
rancid ember
yeah that voracious thing, pugs just wipe to it all the time
Outside of calling out Volatile, only tanks should be comms for swaps. Once people side step the arrows right boss dies fast
celest snow
Guys what legendary should I craft or maybe I should wait for the next raid to get the wall memory?
formal river
The wall is your safest craft
haughty meteor
Goddamn. Sludge slaped me around tonight. And it was fkin normal ๐. Anyone else felt like he hit like a truck?
Ilv 184
sick sentinel
Even if its a 3 item level upgrade and u lose lots of vers its still an upgrade??
is that correct lol
golden tapir
[Viscera of Coalesced Hatred] - Thoughts??
@sick sentinel Typically yes IL> stats Alot of vers is not better than the over all gain form Stam/Armr/Str or any other stat gain
unless its a trade of 1-2 stats and you are needed to push a stat hard to help with a issues u are facing.
worthy ingot
Slap in the face!
fallow mortar
ya, it is unfortunate XD
steel mauve
@sick sentinel more stats is better than specific stats, str, arm and stam are highll valued, along with just more numbers, you might be able to get away with rings and neck due to no str or armor on them but the rest pretty much follows quantity over quality
golden tapir
yo that spell reflect buff can be great
lusty marsh
Can you reflect wave of suffering?
sweet summit
there is a reflect sheet in the pins
rancid ember
lusty marsh
True, it doesn't fit well on my tiny phone and I'll be home in a few minutes. Was just trying to think of a use case for that SR power
sweet summit
oh from torghast
yeah you can
basically just ignores the cast, you take no damage and spell reflect doesnt get consumed
golden tapir
where are the pins for reflect sheet
sweet summit
phone or desktop
golden tapir
And has any one used or tried out Viscera of Coalesced Hatred
- it seemed under tuned to me
sweet summit
very possible
tank trinkets are usuallt shit
idk what thats supposed to be
as its on both dps and tank loot table
lusty marsh
I've only been using the scale as far as tank trinkets.
sweet summit
ya that one owns
lusty marsh
I tried out the gem trinket but the ms slow is just feels bad.
sweet summit
its dogshit
lusty marsh
I think even if I got a ilvl 200 scale I wouldn't use it.
pastel siren
hey guys, is prot warrior actually the worst tank? im playing it for myself and i crafted thunderlord legendary and got other nice stuff. but i think i still have problems to survive :/ do you have any tips? doin everything wowhead guide said... :((
strong forum
Most Common mistakes people do, is actually not look and consciously press the buttons they need to press
they just hammer 123 without actually knowing wtf is ready
Prot Warri isnt the worst tank, but the most punishing if you fumble around. You have to proactively know and prepare your mitigation. Dont press too many revenges, dont press to many IPs when you have to pool for Shield Block, know what you can actually Block.
steel mauve
ya its most likely personal play, warriors arent as bad as the over reacting playerbase think they are
pastel siren
shieldblock ist mostly always on, IP only when i rlly need or when i have the rage for it
strong forum
like, i tank sludgefist 90%+ of the time because my VDH cant deal properly with his melee attacks
pastel siren
spell reflection for everything related
strong forum
if you were doing everything correctly, you wouldnt feel weak and struggle to survive
record your m+ or raiding or whatever you
and check what youre doing / doing wrong
steel mauve
what talents are you running, and you should have a ton of rage to dump on ip to have a lot of shielding
golden tapir
That depends on what your running M+ or Raids
I have so much rage to dump on IP
spear + rav + Demo = GG
and avatar
dont just dump range in dps (yes u need to do dps and keep a good amount of thret gen)
but if you are timing shit and watching what you are fighting I pref war to all other tanks
its rewarding when you do it right and feel like a BIG BRICK WALL!
eager iron
Boys i have seen the light of ravager + bolster + dragons roar. No longer will we have to spam thunderclap!
steel mauve
dragon roar has no light
steel mauve
you dont take it any more
eager iron
I am using the wall lego
steel mauve
lego doesnt matter typically dragon roar isnt taken
golden tapir
this is true
eager iron
I see
golden tapir
but just saying when you stack it all in a basket its one nice fucking basket
pastel siren
guys did you some keys over +8 and could your share your first impression? I can handle everything lower 8 but over that i feel totally squishy and week
eager iron
I will try booming voice
civic rover
if group plays properly you should be able to do 9s/10s
thorn nacelle
If they didnโt nerf DR it would be awesome, but for my play style Iโd rather shelve it. ESP for M+
golden tapir
I def miss it but the nerf was a bummer and then if you get thounderlord its crazy how quickly you can use Demo Shout
thorn nacelle
Yeah my uptime is nuts
steel mauve
i still have yet for it to drop
thorn nacelle
I almost have to rage dump anything less then a 5 key
steel mauve
got quite a few dps leggos from dungeons, world boss and torghast
thorn nacelle
I helped a pair of rogues farm theirs and got mine pretty quick
golden tapir
yea i had that issue got lucky got that this week and the wall & unbreakable will
thorn nacelle
Took me forever to decide to wait to have ash for a 2 or craft the one
mighty smelt
You guys still taking ravager even with Wall and in raids?
golden tapir
i crafted a 210 of it
golden tapir
yea Rav plus spear gets sooo much raids
mighty smelt
Cool, just tanked first 3 and felt squishy but that's down to me
I like ravager more
steel mauve
why would the wall interact with ravager?
golden tapir
yea I mean if u are having issues u can change
thorn nacelle
I like how I can macro it in my feet but also build rage when I toss it and it tracks back to my location.
mighty smelt
why would the wall interact with ravager?
Yeah it wouldn't my bad!
golden tapir
people say AM with the wall but i dont think its needed Bolster is still a great pic
spiral solar
Am is much better
mighty smelt
Yeah I literally got the wall then tanked Darkvine and having shield wall up a lot was pretty good
golden tapir
okay
i am still trying to get into a group
on some of the bosses is ITF better than Rav?
due to the amount of adds
strong forum
All of them
strong forum
Si
golden tapir
thank you!
near vine
Hey guys, im struggling with my offspec prot in tanking in low M+, getting aggro
on aoe packs
strong forum
Make sure to use revenge often, it's your main dmg button now
Use ravager and spear, that should do the trick honestly
near vine
oh ?
strong forum
I knew it...
strong forum
Then be even more sure to use revenge
Also don't forget about challenging shout
4min CD aoe taunt
near vine
yea i struggled once demo shout /avatar was down
dps charge in and cleave and i just cant pull aggro off
waxen cradle
as a point of reference what are you guys doing about M+ when trying to do it as Prot and no one in the group but you is interrupting anything ?
tried to do a +8 DoSide and got shredded when no one but me would interrupt or stun anything
slate escarp
well de other side is super tough for prot warriors anyway
since there's so much magic dmg from some mobs
waxen cradle
this is true
slate escarp
all you can do is make sure you time your shockwave and spell reflect properly, along with your pummel ofc
other than that, just spam ip
sweet bridge
Anybody here tanked up to a m14 this week? How hard do the mobs hit?
lucid dew
Do you guys think there is any real risk of thunderlord not being BIs for m+ next week
Iโm debating on just crafting now
I could use the help
elder cosmos
@lucid dew if I had to guess youโre fine
I donโt think prot is going to get much tuning.
inner harbor
is there something about 20% haste that would make it less valuable beyond that %?
brisk flax
wish they'd put some sort of magic dmg reduction on something like Shield Block or some other such ability for cryin out loud. Even magic damage reduction while standing in spear, give us 2 stacks of Spell Reflect and have it on a similar CD to Shieldblock... Just anything is better than what we have now... I just had a bunch of the healers in my guild say i was taking way more damage then the other tank, so i checked logs.... him and i were even on DTPS and i had more damage mitigated overall.... So the whole "Warriors suck at magic dmg" stigma is kind of annoying to be honest lol Sure we do... but it's really not THAT bad.
spare breach
I have abit of a rough time at this moment, I am considering crafting my legendary ( Thunderlord ). But i get alot of different information about my stat weights. ( mythic + mainly ). Haste > Versa OR Haste > Mastery
elder cosmos
Begging for externals on 4-5 dot application lol
restive flax
So... I did Nathria today and I have a question about the third bear at Altimor. Is it normal that he rips my face off at 10 stacks of his buff? A friend of mine said he still tanked him at 18 as monk... is he talking shit or is that just monk?
brisk flax
he is talking shit imo
restive flax
hm?
slate escarp
you're supposed to remove the stacks every now and then
restive flax
Oh we just tried to burst down the boss with BL in that attempt ๐
slate escarp
we were removing 5-6 at a time
keep him in place then when healers are ready, move him till he loses his stacks
restive flax
my healers are never ready is the problem LUL
slate escarp
and keep him grouped with the huntsman
restive flax
ultimate smooth brain
brisk flax
I literally just ran close circles around boss the base the entire time
so melee and ranged could still cleave
restive flax
Mate I had almost as much healing as our holy priest in one attempt LUL
restive flax
imagine how fun sun king was^^
brisk flax
o.o
restive flax
I mean our shaman healer is a goddess
slate escarp
did you even get to sun king if you struggled on hunstman
restive flax
shes is really good on that character
we didnt struggle on huntsman really
killed him second try or something
but ye, I just didnt want to tryhard this expansion but the guild might be a wee bit too casual
slate escarp
I guess good on you that you're a warrior
if I tried to keep 10 stacks on that hound as a monk, I'd have gotten clapped
restive flax
I mean it was weird honestly
on 9 stacks my healthbar barely moved
on 10 stacks he ran away with half my face
oh god.....
I just saw the Tenderize hotfix for the abominations in necrotic wake...
wtf?
tardy parcel
For the bear I just would move as a new stack generated on him. Kept it manageable for the healers
restive flax
well not anymore ๐
undone sun
would need logs to see either way
sterile plover
with thunderlord stompers is it better to keep the ravager/bolster build or switch to unstoppable force/anger management? (for mythic +)
restive flax
for higher keys I still like bolster more
undone sun
An additional 5, base SS is 15 rage.
turbid cargo
and total rage gained from shield slam was 380, which isn't divisible by 15
undone sun
that's another way to look at it
turbid cargo
xD
undone sun
๐
burnt torrent
for M+ unstoppable force anger management or ravager bolstering?
civic rover
ravager bolster is the play imo
burnt torrent
I figured was just making sure
Anger management better for raiding ye?
especially with the wall lego
exotic spoke
Anyone know if soul spikes is reflectable / blockable on the council of blood? Comes when Baroness is the last boss killed
blissful pebble
There is a reflect guide in pins
exotic spoke
Its not on the guide
blissful pebble
Dont know then
shut summit
not sure, havent seen logs with that kill order to see it yet
exotic spoke
Guess i'll soon find out. RL wants to go with that order
earnest lava
if i'm offtanking sludgefest, does shieldblock block giantsfist?
if our maintank monk is taking millions of damage and me as offtank only taking 30% of that, is that because my shieldblock is reducing it.. ?
still pagoda
Oh
elder cosmos
Bruh
still pagoda
You probably don't know of the "feature" discovered during the last raid testing
Giant fists, while allegedly being a second auto attack of the boss, has its damage calculated as a post-mitigation instance of original hit
elder cosmos
So always have the warrior tank the first hit
still pagoda
i.e. you take copy of the direct damage that your monk bro took after staggering it off
elder cosmos
That doesnโt make sense
still pagoda
So always have the warrior tank the first hit
Doesn't matter. Just don't make blood MT this if you're too concerned
still pagoda
That doesnโt make sense
elder cosmos
So if the monk tanks
The other tank only takes a copy of the instant damage
And completely negates the dot part?
still pagoda
Same goes for any other mitigation
elder cosmos
Damn thatโs nuts
still pagoda
And completely negates the dot part?
Armor, blocks, stagger, flat DR
still pagoda
if our maintank monk is taking millions of damage and me as offtank only taking ...
You essentially take the non-staggered portion of the hit and mitigate it even further
still pagoda
so it's better to have the monk tank then... ?
Doesn't matter
elder cosmos
Heโs saying it doesnโt matter who tanks it really as long as itโs not a DK for efficiency sake
tired cove
@shut summit wtb M+ streams plz and thanks
elder cosmos
But any mitigation you apply to anyone the other tank benefits too
Which is not how that ability is described in the dungeon journal
still pagoda
It was discovered by dudes from DK discord month or so ago
shut summit
@tired cove ๐
elder cosmos
First Iโve heard of it honestly
still pagoda
Hi sense
earnest lava
so should we be tank swapping to mitigate?
elder cosmos
@shut summit I watched your heroic vids already - howโs prot feel to you?
shut summit
same as usual really
elder cosmos
Any specific pain points you noticed or nothing too bad so far?
light vault
how does tanking blood council work? if we are doing freida then nik then stav, does 1 tank take freid a the whole time?
fallow mortar
nova rover
Hey guys, last boss in De other side, when he does the fist slams do you get up close to him to avoid or go back with the rest of the party?
simple mural
Spell reflect
nova rover
the green one?
simple mural
Yup
simple mural
I just don't move and reflect it
nova rover
โค๏ธ
viral garden
I feel so damn squishy and my damage output doesn't even seem great. Are there any solid protection warrior streams to watch and compare?
lime plume
Shoulders or back for The Wall?
viral garden
Yeah. Like I'm comparing in WCL and I see I cast a ton more shield blocks + Ignore Pains but still feeling crunched compare to some of these higher parsing warriors. Maybe I'm missing something obvious
fallow mortar
Shoulders or back for The Wall?
shoudlers
sharp orbit
lucid dew
im having major second thoughts on playing warrior
i really enjoyed it in 8.3 and im not enojoying it now
astral crystal
Play pally
graceful scaffold
exotic spoke
I mean, we certainly weren't immortal. Just got to push limits further ๐