protection

[sweet summit]

?

[sharp orbit]

then gl

[lusty marsh]

Spear boys unite

[sharp orbit]

[lusty marsh]

[cerulean quest]

Spear boys 🤙🏼💦🙏🏼

[sweet summit]

[sharp orbit]

Damn furries

[quartz mist]

just made thunderlord just to get the wall

[proven glen]

how do i check mitigation

on details addon

like how much i blocked

[opaque hearth]

if you click your name in details you can choose avoidance at the top

maybe it might show it there

[sweet summit]

Gotta do it through warcraftlogs

[prisma gorge]

Hello fellow protectors, assuming you wear the wall for raid, do you go with AM talent?

[solar crown]

Anyone streaming raids as prot? Feels like i take an insane amount of damage so i wanna see how others are doing

[prisma gorge]

i was on normal taking 2-2,5K damage taken per second with 175ilvl, at least you have somethin to compare with

[proven glen]

ty

[solar crown]

thanks! I'm at 180 myself, and the first 3 bosses looks to be around the same lvl. On Darkvein it spiked up to 3-3.5k.. but then i guess its mechanics not being done correctly

[prisma gorge]

like DH that was tanking with me, 188 item level, he was taking like double of damage, even after counting self heals 😄

[opaque hearth]

what gems are you guys putting in slots, haste or verse?

[prisma gorge]

might be mechanics, might be mitigation gaps, might be too much damage output instead of survability on damage spikes

[solar crown]

I feel the downtime on sb hard, but on darkvein nothing is blockable anyways

Would be great to watch someone who knows what he's doing better, i've been a DK main for the last expansions and its still a little fuzzy how to properly mitigate certain mechanics

[prisma gorge]

on darkvein i usually jsut allowed 2 to 3 sec gaps between BV unless first and second stack, then classic wall/ LS (with bolster) when you tank both spectre and boss, ravager for ignore pain spam after boss is taunted of ya, so you mitigate that dot damage, thats what i was doing

[visual drift]

may i ask why my overmouse macro with intercept /charge isn't working?

[solar crown]

doesn't look to be so far off what im doing myself. When spell reflecting the 2nd dot i sometimes got lucky and didnt get a 3rd cast before the 1st went out.
Do you use SB at all when tanking darkvein? Or do you prioritize ignore pain above it, since nothing is blockable

[prisma gorge]

only when i actively tank her, otherwise just IP dumping

[solar crown]

(y)

it's a minor comfort having a pala co-tank thinking of using his monk next raid instead, cuz he got absolutely wrecked

but i need to git_gud, so a stream would be nice. Been watching sense a lot for dungeons and that really helped me understand the class better. Been a DK main since WOTLK so its still hard to not hit my old 'deathstrike'-button when i get smacked in the face

[prisma gorge]

the 188 DH that was tanking with me was getting like 5K damage taken, warriors are not doing that bad 😄

[solar crown]

hehe, nope, sounds like the damage we take is not so bad compared to others. And that's with a lot of bleed/magic damage as well

[strong forum]

I had less ehrps than my vdh cotank on every boss besides first

But it does feel a bit iffy now and then

[prisma gorge]

ehrps? 😄

[strong forum]

External healing required per second

The only somewhat relevant metric when comparing tanks

Aka how much healers had to heal you

[prisma gorge]

yeah, DH was always like 100% more, started to check on huntsman

how you track it? i was checking healing taken minus self heal?

[strong forum]

Logs -> damage taken -> ehrps

Can't check that ingame

Unless you do what you said, healing taken -selfhealing

[solar crown]

ingame it looks like i healed myself for 44% of the healing received on hungering destroyer.. that cant be right

oh, ignore pain counts

do you craft the leggo shoulders with haste & versa? or haste & crit

[heavy pelican]

@strong forum i had about 20-30% less EHRPS than dh tank alongside me on first 7 bosses we cleared apart from sunking where i was just above him, im thinking that pull i made some mistakes though seeing as all other fights i was clearly below his ehrps

[jagged pier]

your choice vers in general is better for everything crit becomes more valuable in m+ as you are attacked much more

[prisma gorge]

@strong forum i see in logs you use execute quite often, do you just dump all rage while not active tank into it or what is execute usage in raids? 🙂

[jagged pier]

pump it all

boss cant hurt you if they are dead

but you can kind of plan around execute though save SW and last stand, save spear and demo and avatar and get a but load of rage to use

[cerulean quest]

How many bosses did you down? Norm or HC?

[heavy pelican]

my raid downed 7 on normal yesterday, goin back for rest tonight

[cerulean quest]

My guild are a bunch of mates, super casual, a real range in abilities. We are doing normal Saturday but I’m legit scared we will only down first... or maybe none 😵

Heard it’s super tough and kinda overtuned

[heavy pelican]

it was way overtuned than previous raids, my guild normally raids full mythic but we had some issues on normal this time even

[cerulean quest]

😕 hopefully some nerfs to it before Saturday. I think normal should be casual friendly... at least a few bosses haha

[prisma gorge]

guys difficulty is like on level of black temple essence but still its all about moving from A to B and switching correct targets, dont overcomplicate it 🙂

[heavy pelican]

there were some "hotfix" nerfs couple of hours ago but not much on actual damage numbers on most bosses.

[jagged pier]

I like the difficulty not gunna lie

im actually having fun

instead of just fun on like the last 2 bosses

[heavy pelican]

im not complaining either, it feels like a good raid with nice encounters, just that its overtuned compared to prior raids

[cerulean quest]

Yeah not going to moan too much until I try it haha.

[slate shell]

should i craft thunderlord now, or should i wait for next week in case of nerf or some otehr lego getting buffed?

[cerulean quest]

I just feel like heroic is where the difficulty / challenging part kicks in for people that play wow every day. Not normally normal... but we’ll see 🙂

[jagged pier]

I dont think its overtuned to once you do mechanics the bosses fall over

[prisma gorge]

come past expansions it was just faceroll, now it feels like you play warcraft actually 😄

[jagged pier]

sure they may have a little to much hp on 30 man

[slate shell]

im interested in m+ mostly, but i dont know if i should craft it or wait

[jagged pier]

but like tank damage is fine mechanics damage is fine

you just need to actually do the mechanics to kill the boss

i know thats scary for normal but thats how it should be do the mechanics boss dies

[cerulean quest]

If you do the mechanic and it’s fine on normal, then fine. I’ve not tried 🙂

[sweet summit]

Nah cn defo overtuned

[cerulean quest]

But a few mates that raid mythic said it was HARD for normal

[sweet summit]

Unless gear is just giga important

[ebon swan]

Am I doing something wrong or does my damage just plummet in m+ compared to m0 or heroic dungeons because i have to use ignore pain so much?

[jagged pier]

gear is giga important and there less of it

its not overtuned at all imo

[ebon swan]

and i have no rage for revenge

[sweet summit]

You dont have to use ip all the time

[prisma gorge]

was doing fine with 175, gear is overrated, then sanguine depths +4 in time, i dont really feel that punishment on gear while being behind

[slate shell]

(i'll ask again cause i think it went unnoticed) should i craft thunderlord now, or should i wait for next week?

[ebon swan]

obviously its not every pack but in caster heavy packs i just hit like a wet noodle

[sweet summit]

Can do either tbh cyrus, im waiting tho

[ebon swan]

whereas on my pala alt i just do my regular rotation and damage is the same lol

feels like we are the only tank that has to actually decide between damage vs survival

[sweet summit]

Think it is

[slate shell]

@sweet summit im thinking, it cant possibly get nerfed, but im worried something else might get buffed and be better than TL

[sweet summit]

Yep

Generally safe to craft

Im just a bit paranoid

[thorny wigeon]

w

[prisma gorge]

even with 140% haste it is boring as hell 😦 such a time dumping thing

[smoky wave]

Torghast? Love it. But I exclusively run it with my wife and/or mates. It's super fun when you've got all your own nonsense coupled with super bl and giving everyone 60% extra damage

[jagged pier]

I see BANNER

[heavy pelican]

[prisma gorge]

yea so ? 😄

[jagged pier]

🤢

[strong forum]

1100 phantasma, you're really clearing everything huh

On my last runs I didn't even get 150

[prisma gorge]

i got some shit that doubles it down or such

[oblique heath]

hey all

Im doing 7+ keys now and i keep getting drops with crit and mastery, losing vers and haste for Ilvl

[strong forum]

It do be like that

[jagged pier]

its better

its ilvl equip it

[strong forum]

It's not fun, but you equip it either way

[oblique heath]

so ALWAYS ilvl/

[strong forum]

Yes

[jagged pier]

yer

except rings and neck

[oblique heath]

wow, if i was gearing a pally id be set

[strong forum]

Only exceptions are maybe 3ilvl difference +socket and rings / neck

Everthing else, just go ham on ilvl

For the rest you can sim

[sharp orbit]

mastery annd crit is the only way

[oblique heath]

lol

i feel like I'm killing my healers

low vers

[strong forum]

Vers is irrelevant

[sharp orbit]

Nah

[oblique heath]

Vers irrelevant??

really?

[strong forum]

Yes.

Vers is not the thing that makes you tanky

[jagged pier]

I didnt run ver corruption last expansion i was fine

[strong forum]

Playing better and high haste will make you 10x tankier

[jagged pier]

^^

[strong forum]

90%+ of your survival comes from playing well

Not from stats

[sharp orbit]

also mastery and crit bcs when enemy is dead enemy cant hurt you

[strong forum]

Haste is the added bonus of SB uptime and rage generation

[oblique heath]

okay , i have vers enchants, trade them for the haste?

[strong forum]

Absolutely

[jagged pier]

SIM IT

[strong forum]

You want to max the fuck out of haste

Also sim is only dmg, I don't recommend that for now

Just triple down on haste

[jagged pier]

cant hurt you if boss is dead

[oblique heath]

Okay, Haste is 13% and my Vers is a low 9% atm still enchant for haste/

[strong forum]

You enchant haste even at 50% haste

[oblique heath]

lol

ur a funny guy

[strong forum]

I'm being honest

The breakpoint to stop going for haste is unreachable

Now more than all of bfa

[jagged pier]

what nom is saying is true tbf

[oblique heath]

im grateful for the advice

[fallow mortar]

warriors gotta go fast so we need all the haste we can get kappa

[prisma gorge]

do we have enough %%? please advise

[slate shell]

yeah, theres 23.44% possible % after this boss

[eager phoenix]

Is the wall fine for m+ or is tgv decent enough for raid tanking?

[jagged pier]

Im using tgv for both atm but i dont have the wall recipe yet

[honest plinth]

wall is okeyish for m+, i dont think TL is good for raiding

[jagged pier]

well most bosses arent just ST so its pretty good

[honest plinth]

i mean if i had a spot as raid tank

[eager phoenix]

i need to compromise, since i am interested* in pvping, pve arms, m+ tanking and rank tanking

[honest plinth]

im pretty sure ive picjed the wall

for m+ and raiding

maybe im wrong idk

[jagged pier]

the wall is good for raiding but TGV is better for m+ and its the otherway round for raiding

[eager phoenix]

i guess its not the worst long term anyways. we get them all eventually. its just the early weeks priority im considering.

[jagged pier]

but nither are bad for ither

just ones better in one situation

and the other is better in another

[eager phoenix]

i understand jakey. was just interested in what would be ok tank lego choice to compromise both raid tanking and m+

[honest plinth]

id say the wall

[eager phoenix]

since 2nd built will be one for arms in my case 🙂

[sweet summit]

You can get both rank 1 this week no?

[honest plinth]

yes you can

[strong forum]

Both leggos are fine for both situations

[jagged pier]

yer u can @sweet summit

[strong forum]

I'll craft the wall later this week

[jagged pier]

same

[strong forum]

Can't do torghast for a while

I have the recipe but no ash

Busy raiding and spamming m+

[jagged pier]

i tried yesterday before raid far to laggy

[honest plinth]

i crafted lvl2 tgv coz im not raid tank so 😄

[strong forum]

Big

[keen yacht]

Hi, question, is venthyr good for prot now? I see a lot of venthyr prots poped out

[sweet summit]

Its kinda bad
Mostly dps mains offspecing i bet

[keen yacht]

Ah right

Forgor you dont change covenant with spec xd

[sweet summit]

Only really good in raids

Big pump

Yuge dam

[jagged pier]

I mean its not really good in raids its passable id say

but in AOE its dogshit

[sweet summit]

Big dam=good

Ye

[lusty quartz]

how the heck do you guys find a guild as a tank? 😫

[jagged pier]

its difficult

usually easiest way is to join as a dps and express intrest in tanking

then when a tank leaves you jump on the spot

[lusty quartz]

that's the easiest way? couldn't that take months, man? 😦

[jagged pier]

yep but most guild will have tanks and theres only 2 spots, so its unlikely there will be a tank opening

im not saying there isnt

but they are rare

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, dpsing in raid is more fun anyways 😄

[prisma gorge]

i usually go as dps with offspec tank as backup then they let me tank once and they dont want anyone else 😄

[eager phoenix]

work on being up to date on tanking meta and practice by playing a shitload of m+ as tank. that way you'll be ready 🙂

[honest plinth]

prot warri population is lower than mw monk pop btw

only the best players are playing pwarr in m+ now

[nimble drift]

think I can do a +5 halls at 177ilvl?

[honest plinth]

yes you can

[nimble drift]

im scared

[honest plinth]

me2

[lavish oracle]

Could be worse, how about SV hunter 😛

[honest plinth]

HoA is pretty chill

[eager phoenix]

there is absolutely no way prot warr will be what is holding any motivated m+ team back

so just keep grinding

it aint like s1 bfa when ranged attacks couldnt be blocked

[honest plinth]

thanks god i have a team from bfa seasons 😄

[lavish oracle]

That shit in Tol Dagor was actually cancer

[eager phoenix]

as a solo pugger it might be hard cus meta and rio slaves but at least you can build a team with your own key.

[honest plinth]

ye thats true

vdh or gtfo

[eager phoenix]

still convinced prot will have the last laugh

[jagged pier]

I mean from expereince of bfa season 1 where prot warrior was viewed as shit i always got into pug groups people need them tanks

[honest plinth]

ye sure but we will be least invited in pugs

[lavish oracle]

Best thing I learned in early bfa is if you want to push, run your own key, a friend's key, or run keys that are lower than you want to do but that you can smash so you'll be invited to the upgraded key

[honest plinth]

well its fine

its time for building friends if you dont have em 😄

[lavish oracle]

We expecting tuning passes mythic week or nah?

Seems kinda late

[eager phoenix]

it will happen

[honest plinth]

they nerfed some bosses in normal heroic alrdy btw

[jagged pier]

it started this week already

[honest plinth]

seems like they were overtuned or something

[latent tusk]

Question for the pros here 🙂 I’m 184 ilvl and am terrified of the m+ because I don’t know the proper pathing to time it? So I did a +3 yesterday with no issues but after last boss we had to go to beginning of dungeon and kill 3% more mobs to win

Do you guys look up pathing guides or just go with the flow see what happens lol

[sweet summit]

Idk if raider.io has weekly routes this early

[mighty smelt]

If you're serious you have to plan, but week 1 just go with the flow

[sweet summit]

But get the addon called mythic dungeon tools

Its great for planning paths in dungeons, and shows %

[latent tusk]

My raider.Io refuses to work with Elvui for some reason

Sweet thanks erg

[sweet summit]

Other than that its mostly experience

[latent tusk]

Ergie erg

[sweet summit]

Nah i mean raider.io as in the website

[latent tusk]

Oh okay they have an add on too

[sweet summit]

Yep

[jagged pier]

most dungeons are close to just follow the path and youll have enough or be really close from what i know i could be wrong though

[sweet summit]

Dunno havent done a single key yet

[jagged pier]

nither have i but my guildes were just following the dungeons and getting like 103% and stuff

[mighty smelt]

We did 4 dungeons last night and % was never an issue, it was more of over percenting

[restive flax]

I'm curious if trash varies in tirna scithe

Just if different paths give you different amounts of %

[twilit siren]

Question : best horde race for raid and mythic+???

[jagged pier]

dont matter

[sweet summit]

The one you think looks the best tbh

[twilit siren]

I have the fox 😛 Vulpera

[restive flax]

if you like seeing groundeffects dont pick tauren

Vulpera is nice

[twilit siren]

I had tauren before. I dont like his size and his movement style

[restive flax]

cries in HM tauren

[twilit siren]

vulpera is nice as race but all plate armors are so wrong on them

[restive flax]

vulpera is nice as race but all ~~plate ~~armors are so wrong on them
corrected it for you

[twilit siren]

hahaha

[restive flax]

but as a tauren I feel you

helmets are simply impossible to use

[jagged pier]

go fmale orc ez

[restive flax]

I agree. fem orc is super cool

[jagged pier]

armour looks good good raical

good animations

[restive flax]

If I would race change it would be that

but honestly the Necrobanner looks dope on the back of a tauren

[haughty meteor]

Tauren in raid plate looks awesome.

[restive flax]

big agree

[solar crown]

anyone tested into the fray instead of ravager in raids? Looking at icy-veins its suggested but i havent tried it myself

[jagged pier]

its best for damage

its probably the go to talent in raid tbh

[honest plinth]

i didnt test it but im pretty sure you should pick itf

[jagged pier]

Im using it if that helps

[slender sedge]

anyone else feeling like protwarri is taking a little too much dmg from packs compared to other tanks keys 7 and higher?

[solar crown]

ill give it a try next raid, i have just gotten så used to ravager i didnt really expect into the fray to be a valid option

thanks!

[honest plinth]

nope. we are fine. dont look at vdhs btw they are pumpin

[ionic fern]

Which talents are you using?

[slender sedge]

devastator storm bolt booming indomitable ravager and bolster

[restive flax]

I have only heard positive things about my damage intake compared to other tanks

[honest plinth]

the problem can be in not dispelled curse. poison. magic effect etc also not interrupted hard casts

[slender sedge]

yeah probably

just feeling as a mink i am more selfsufficient

[sweet summit]

Got logs?

[ionic fern]

That's correct. So if you're having issues it's probably not using SB/Bolster properly, DS on CD, SW as needed etc.

OR people are not interrupting things.

[nimble drift]

Lol the m+ 5 went terribly

[honest plinth]

timed it?

[nimble drift]

The monk heals and frost dk flamed each other after an ass pull

[jagged pier]

or a bit of both

[ionic fern]

I did not have a good time in Halls of Attonement yesterday for example.

[nimble drift]

And paladin left lmfai

[slender sedge]

well okay will see, played monk before felt much better and more self sufficient but maybe i just need to get used to it

[ionic fern]

It was only a +3 but

Look at that Wicked Bolt damage overall.

God damn 10%.

0 interrupts went through except for mine

[restive flax]

I tried using Menace yesterday and holy shit do I like it with cacophonous voice

[glacial skiff]

Wouldn’t you get better results playing AM vs bolster with that build?

[nimble drift]

Those fucking badger looking motherfuckers

Beat my ass

[sweet summit]

Not if youre taking a lot of damage

[jagged pier]

AM for damage bolster for defence @glacial skiff

[restive flax]

Just kite them if youre taking too much damage from the gorgons

[nimble drift]

Yeah I was

[restive flax]

or stun them for long enough so the bleed falls off

[nimble drift]

Shits still hard tho

[glacial skiff]

I feel most talent are kinda locked in. I can’t even imagine not taking booming

[honest plinth]

the bleed is 3rd right?

[restive flax]

The hunter is only casting the "loyal beasts" buff once

[glacial skiff]

I would be so rage starved withour booming or ravager now

[restive flax]

so stun her while she does that and you minimized their damage

[ionic fern]

Yep.

[restive flax]

I save my stormbolt for that 100% of the time

[nimble drift]

Also getting that aoe threat is so annoying. Always feels like theres 1 mob I missed

And it goes on a dps and chunks them

[restive flax]

taunt on cd?

[nimble drift]

Ya I taunt ofc

[restive flax]

you can heroic leap -> taunt again

it resets the cd

[glacial skiff]

Wait what?

[restive flax]

yes.

[glacial skiff]

Since when LOL?

[jagged pier]

since a long time

[honest plinth]

god bless stone form

n1 racial

[sweet summit]

Reading is hard

[glacial skiff]

I never knew leap reset it lol

[sweet summit]

I dont blame you

[glacial skiff]

It is. Real hard

[nimble drift]

Tbh I wish I had less friends to play with lol. It's so awkward playing with guys who are so far behind and I feel obligated to play with them. I genuinely have a better time in a pug than a 4 man with 1 pug

[honest plinth]

combine idk 😄

[ionic fern]

I wish i had friends to play with and do dungeons.

😦

[honest plinth]

😿

[nimble drift]

Na

Cuz if they do bad

[sweet summit]

Transfer to horde then???

[nimble drift]

You cant just kick them

[ionic fern]

My dudu is horde already.

😦

[amber herald]

is this WQ trinket good? I've got two mythic ones but they're dps

[jagged pier]

I mean stop playing with them or just dont play with them all the time, i have a lot of friends who play casually now i jump in to low keys with them occasionally and its fun

[honest plinth]

i have friends on ally side. no joke

[ionic fern]

I tried getting into dungeons yesterday on my dudu, got declined from EVERYTHING. 😂

Trying to DPS in a pug is a nightmare.

[raven basin]

Don't worry, even as a 185 Tank I get declined a lot 😄

[twin comet]

What does DS stand for?

[ionic fern]

Demoralizing Shout

[jagged pier]

demo shout

[twin comet]

Ah ok

[ionic fern]

@sweet summit do dungeons with me on my dudu tonight.

[restive flax]

I just open m+ groups for whatever I wanna run. Its just faster than anything else LUL

[sweet summit]

Raiding tonight but we can do some before raid?

[ionic fern]

Yeah, depends what time etc. 😄

Or some other day.

[nimble drift]

Any of yall know if it's faster to spam dungeons or do the campaign to do 50-60?

[ionic fern]

Not in a rush since apparently i'm already 10-15+ ilvls behind everyone else on my tank.

😂

[sweet summit]

Oof

[ionic fern]

Please, i'm 175.

[honest plinth]

hes trying to make a friend. so cute 😄

[sweet summit]

Oh...

[ionic fern]

If you're a tank/healer then probably dungeons.

I was spamming dungeons on my healer and it took like 40-50 minutes per level on average depending on the group.

[nimble drift]

Ima play a rogue

Got a 50 boost

[ionic fern]

So..not dungeons.

[jagged pier]

you horde mwahi?

[ionic fern]

😂

I'm horde on druid.

[strong forum]

I'm 180, you're not far behind at all

[ionic fern]

People are already doing the "180+" for a +2.

👀

[strong forum]

Wtf

[jagged pier]

can always do keys with me over weekend if you want

[nimble drift]

LOL WAT

[strong forum]

People did 15s in 180

[ionic fern]

YES.

It's dumbo.

[strong forum]

This is just absurd

[sweet summit]

Love lfg

[strong forum]

"must have bis leggo and 185+ for my +4 pls bro otherwise impossible"

Bro pls bro

Double mage/hunter rogue and vdh only, must be kyrian

[shrewd crypt]

just did +5 with 3ppl

[ionic fern]

Luckily i haven't seen any covenant requirements yet.

[shrewd crypt]

rogue got dced monk broke

[restive flax]

I mean. pugs can be horrible and high item level can counteract dumb people 😄

[sweet summit]

yet

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure they are not far away tho.

[sweet summit]

People havent realized how big covenant bonuses are in some dungeons

Id give it a week

[restive flax]

Yo Necrolord is so sick in Plaguefall

[jagged pier]

and TOP

[restive flax]

25% haste? Sign me up boy

[cerulean quest]

Im also 180 🙂 but I do have the T2 stompers so...

[jagged pier]

15%

[restive flax]

nah its more if you use fleshcraft in the red puddle rather than outside of it

[ionic fern]

Jep, i had a fire mage at 180 doing 1.6k overall yesterday.

[cerulean quest]

A lot of pugs I get I seem to be second or third in dps

[ionic fern]

Yep.

[strong forum]

Was prolly thinking ignite still did damage

[ionic fern]

😂

[cerulean quest]

But the streams I watch, dps are 3k or above

So I dunno what the issue is

[ionic fern]

The sadest part with pugs is that i can't pull big due to people not knowing what to interrupt or not interrupting at all.

So the dungeon takes FOREVER.

[strong forum]

Ye my dps were around 4k

I was around 3k

In NW that is, plaguefall was a bit more scuffed

[cerulean quest]

3k as prot warrior. That’s big

[strong forum]

NW is insanely large pulls

[cerulean quest]

I’m normally between 2-2.5

[strong forum]

So you get to pump alot

[sweet summit]

Cheating with spear hammer and orb? 👀

[cerulean quest]

Fair

[strong forum]

Only orb

No spear or Hammer, Hammer is dog anyway

[ionic fern]

Jeah, i refuse to pug NW.

Too hard for the majority.

Tried like 3 times yesterday.

[cerulean quest]

NW maybe my favourite dungeon

[sweet summit]

HoA

Love it

[strong forum]

Ye

Plaguefall is scuffed af tho

Only small baby pulls

Hate it

[cerulean quest]

Yeah plaguefall is horrid. Sitting on a +2 key for it refusing to do it

🥴

[strong forum]

We did +8 with good time to spare

[restive flax]

I like it tbh

[strong forum]

But it's just boring

[cerulean quest]

Yeah I’m sure we can do it, I just really don’t want to haha

[ionic fern]

Reasonable.

😂

[restive flax]

but yeah, pulling is weird in plaguefall

[cerulean quest]

I’ll use friends keys until we all have plaguefalls... then I guess we gotta do it

I also really like Mists

[ionic fern]

Mists is indeed fun.

[cerulean quest]

Love me a mists. It’s replaced Freehold for me

[strong forum]

Na that's hoa

Or NW

[pliant loom]

Does the Prot Ravager proc the Legendary Ring for Reck, Avatar and vice versa?

[nocturne marlin]

Do you know some alternative vor Methode Dungeon Tool? Would Like to calculate some %

[strong forum]

No

[pliant loom]

sadge

but ty!

[glacial skiff]

Is there a weak aura to automate the guessing game for mists yet?

Every time I did mists with a pug it’s.... bad

[strong forum]

It's not a guessing game

It's a puzzle

[glacial skiff]

It wouldn’t be a big issue if all of the things lit up and stayed lit up

[strong forum]

A very simple one at that

[glacial skiff]

I know that, you know that, but pugs don’t

[strong forum]

Tell them to not do shit

And you speedrun it after the pack is dead

Takes like 10 seconds

[glacial skiff]

LOL they’re like “I’m helping” and get returned back to start LOL

[fallow mortar]

or tell em to stand next to a pillar

[strong forum]

Yell at them

To stop being shit

[glacial skiff]

Or they kill the wrong spirit

On the boss

😩

[strong forum]

If you present yourself to be capable

[cerulean quest]

lol! Never seen that yet...

[strong forum]

They'll just follow you

[glacial skiff]

Or get butt hurt because I know what I’m doing

[cerulean quest]

pugs can be rough

[strong forum]

The dungies I pugged

They were always giga thankful

[glacial skiff]

Legit had some idiots get mad at me in a key when I asked them to not tell me what to do lol

I forget what they said but it was wrong. Real wrong LOL

And they tried to scold me. Like sorry for knowing better? Idk

[cerulean quest]

lol scrolling through LFG you're right

2 and 3 keys with 180 ilvl req

[fallow mortar]

I had people yell at me for not moving the first plaguefall boss even though I already had and they were not ccing the slimes coming to the boss >.>

[sterile grotto]

Is it worth getting legendary rank 2 this week ? Plan on only doing m+

[honest plinth]

i think so. if you are doing just m+ ye. why not

or you can craft lvl 1

and upgrade to 3 next week

[nimble drift]

I love the Spanish speaking 165 pally that has the key and wipes us with ass pulls 3 times is the guy who gets the item at the end

[glacial skiff]

The extra item level is only extra stats. You don’t get extra legendary effectiveness iirc

[nimble drift]

I feel like if the timer ends because of multiple fuck ups from others, I'd rather leave then have the chance of them getting loot

So aggravating

[glacial skiff]

So idk I’d probably go with rank 1 for now just in case blizz pulls a blizz and buffs a bunch or nerfs

Wait, this is prot honestly you’re probably fine if you’re crafting the demo shout leggo

Oh, I didn’t realize thunderlord was borderline worthless in ST lol

That kinda blows and makes me think the wall may have some usage in m+

[obsidian gate]

hi
quick question and i AM aware unless you're aiming for world firsts and/or cutting edge stuff, it really doesn't matter. but i was curious as to peoples opinion on troll vs highmountain tauren for prot warriors

[jagged pier]

which even you prefer

fmale troll imo

no one wants to play hunched over bro

and tauren get stuck in doors

[austere sleet]

is versatility the best stat if trying to push into higher keys? or is haste still the best stat?

[ionic fern]

Haste.

[glacial skiff]

You don’t have enough SB uptime atm to not go haste right?

Or just the way it also interacts with auto attacks/shield slam resets etc?

[strong forum]

There's just no achievable amount of haste to not get more haste

You'd need 166% for 100% shield block uptime

Slightly less with Bolster/HR, but even 50% isn't gonna be enough to justify not continuing stacking haste

Not to mention at increased rage gen which translates into survival through indom and IP, and translates into dmg through revenge.

[sweet summit]

How do i hack the game to get 166% haste

Asking for a friend

[jagged pier]

^^

[strong forum]

Equip 10.0 gear

[leaden carbon]

Hi!, It is possible to get the thunderlord legendary by doing the instance in mythic+?

[heavy pelican]

did a DOS+4 with a ilv 160 MW healer that used an agi staff cuz "he hadnt gotten any int weapons yet" and it was really no issue at all, i felt quite strong

@leaden carbon yes higher chance for drop than hc/normal

[leaden carbon]

On the boss or final dungeon chest?

thanks

[heavy pelican]

should probably get in chest since nothing drops during the run, im not so sure tho

i got mine from m0 same day they buffed the droprates

altho i crafted the wall instead yesterday

[ionic fern]

Jep, final chest.

[leaden carbon]

the wall drops from mythics too?

[heavy pelican]

no

raid

[wheat sleet]

hungering destroyer

[desert mason]

what do we craft thunderlord on? feet or hands?

[waxen cradle]

Got Memory of the Wall last night in normal, even without running AManagement its a big cd reduction for SW

[sweet summit]

Boots

Yeah wall is nice

[desert mason]

and best stats would be haste and vers?

[nimble drift]

@heavy pelican what's your ilvl

[sweet summit]

Correct

[waxen cradle]

also have Thunderlord, it feels great in 5 man content however the wall also feels good in 5 man content

[desert mason]

awesome, thankyou!

[desert mason]

hopefully they let us wear 2 legendaries at some point

[heavy pelican]

@nimble drift ran it with 183 ilv, i can max at 187 but with the "cheat death" trinket from raid which isnt great for m+

[glacial skiff]

I hope they change the way we upgrade our legendaries eventually to not require a purchase or craft

20k each time you need to upgrade if you’re not a crafter for that piece would suck

[waxen cradle]

Would certainly be nice, the Wall and Unbreakable Will would have great synergy, granted we would only be looking at a 25% DR for our party, a 25% DR roughly every 2 mins would feel good

[strong forum]

You can go straight to r4

But trading and professions is something blizzard has been reintroducing into SL, cuz it was basically non existant in BFA and legion

Which is a good thing

[glacial skiff]

What do you mean? I haven’t made one yet, but don’t you have to purchase the base item from the AH for each rank?

[solid gulch]

You can create legendaries straight from r4, or upgrade from r1 to r4, as long as you have the soul ash

[heavy pelican]

^

[glacial skiff]

I agree, trading is important but the problem is wow’s economy is all sorts of fucked because they refused to do anything about those with ridiculous amounts of gold through previous exploitive means so pricing on many things are incredibly off.

If I make one at rank 1 I need to purchase the items to make it to rank 2, 3, then 4 in addition to the ash right?

[strong forum]

Yes

Or you just save up until you can jump straight from R1 to r4

[glacial skiff]

But if I have enough ash I can just make one at rank 4 with the rank 4 piece?

[heavy pelican]

Yes

[strong forum]

So you can skip buying r2 and r3

[solid gulch]

You need the base item for the ilevel you want, but not the intervening steps, yeah

[glacial skiff]

Oh that’s kinda cool

[strong forum]

You can go anyway you want about it

As long as you have everything you need

[lusty ember]

Man I feel like I'm getting stomped by casters in keys...the pack with the named caster in necrotic wake has killed me almost every time it feels

[heavy pelican]

are you using the pickup items? the hammer and anima orb thing usually deals with him quite well

[ebon jasper]

so did everyone clear all of nathria yes?

[strong forum]

No

Not alot of people did

[topaz ember]

On normal yes:)

[strong forum]

Nobody cleared HC yet

[ebon jasper]

we just slapped around some in normal, got 4 down

And well, I've got improvements to make on those dps numbers

at least we have logs so I've got material to work with on that front

[still pagoda]

it's only a day 2

it'll be fine

considering a huge difficulty spike compared to previous tiers

[ebon jasper]

I like it. having some actual challenge for once

Admittedly yesterday was my first raid since wotlk (excluding classic)

[dense pivot]

aren't top guilds sandbagging for more optimal gear

or is it for real 😄

[strong forum]

No, they're not sandbagging

They have 5-9 characters, all of which could be potentially mains

[sullen owl]

Has anyone tried both Kyrian and Night Fae in M+? I was wondering on some peoples experiences as i just did ToP 0 and as a night fae i felt it hard to get control/group some of the trash in the dungeon. I was wondering if anyone else felt this way or if its just me.

[strong forum]

Depending on what gear they get from their raids, that will be their main for mythic

[nocturne marlin]

Is IT only possible to get Piercing verdict from Shadowlands-raid and wq?

[ebon jasper]

well- it drops of the world boss

uh, the one in Maldraxus does at least

[strong forum]

Wq, calling and Worldboss

[uneven mason]

NF Ability leaves a ton to be desired for pack control with the number of enemies that just don't group up easy, or leap away, Kyrian at least will tether the leaper and provide a flat rage value. (Kyrian is superior)

NF will win in damage if the mobs staye grouped

but they dont

[honest plinth]

i think AA> spear. but man phial is life

[gloomy cradle]

Yeah I can't count the number of time the phials saved me

[uneven mason]

The steward too, on the fly talent changes between runs

[gloomy cradle]

Also vendor

[uneven mason]

I gave them up for condemn because I'm main spec fury

and I feel it hard

[honest plinth]

oh yeah tomes are not cheap

[uneven mason]

no swolkin

[strong forum]

I love how vdh discord is full of people complaining they feel squishy, after screeching for months how OP vdh is gonna be

[uneven mason]

the VDH in my raid lastnight didn't appear squishy at all

either did the prot

[strong forum]

Its almost like the people claiming stuff, haven't played

[uneven mason]

Its like

they want their 2button SpB build to be the go to again

[jagged pier]

dont joke about that, that playstyle was giga shit

[strong forum]

I kinda felt bad in raid cuz I couldn't omega tank forever :(

I actually had to call for my step-tank to do stuff

Me no likey

[jagged pier]

me and my tank swapped when bored to do somthing else

but havent done hc yet

[strong forum]

I'm really picky when playing mechanics

As in, play them perfectly or I won't like it

[jagged pier]

oh they know ill do them all cause bored and Id rather kill the boss than log, so any mechanic a tank can do i end up doing

[strong forum]

Idk felt weird, like I never died or anything, but...

Eh

Maybe I was going too aggressive

[jagged pier]

probably

but gotta spam that execute

[strong forum]

Those 100s don't get themselves

[jagged pier]

Tru

[signal plover]

Normal sludge was surprisingly fun as tanks. As were all the heroic bosses we've done so far.

[steep wraith]

Outside of DPS, I don't understand the DH hype

[strong forum]

Big dam, and good people make them look good

That's about it

[steep wraith]

It's just not my type of fun to have meta + spikes up for a few seconds to get burst out, and then have to kite

[gloomy cradle]

Fiery brand build is nasty though

40% reduced dam that spreads every 2 seconds

Plus the inherent 15% reduction from passive

[steep wraith]

It's existed before, it's not really great

[gloomy cradle]

I haven't played it but seems strong in theory at least

[steep wraith]

Yeah the theory is there, but 2 seconds per mob is a really long time when you're pulling 8 things

[gloomy cradle]

True

Was thinking that you can usually get away with only taking hits from a few of those 8 mobs

[open monolith]

Good morning, fellow large-pp prot warriors

[signal plover]

Isn't the damage also rly gutted with fiery?

[gloomy cradle]

That coupled with the AOE cap and smaller pulls seems pretty strong

It is

No spb is a big hit

Still seems to be what most of the top teams (after 2 days kekW) are running

But I suppose when you're so undergeared there's not other option

[open monolith]

Did you guys know that Intimidating shout breaks Return to Stone casts for Bleakwing Assassins?

[heavy pelican]

@open monolith morning

[open monolith]

ah, someone with a large-pp

hello

[honest plinth]

[open monolith]

I think with current raid tuning, I'm just gonna focus on spamming m+

same ilvl loot as normal raid, more opportunities for loot, and significantly easier

[strong forum]

Just kill them lmao

[open monolith]

I mean, yes

Does that somehow make that information not helpful / interesting at all?

No reason to act like that info is useless in 100% of cases :\

[uneven mason]

Condemn interrupts it as well

[heavy pelican]

shockwave pog

[shut summit]

Yea most disorient type stuff works on them like db, blind, etc

[uneven mason]

Death = The best interrupt

[shut summit]

We used it in heroic when they weren't gonna die in time, def helps

[uneven mason]

that being said, Intimidating works as CC on those obnoxious ghost bears on Huntsman

[open monolith]

shockwave doesn't work Tobey

[wild sandal]

do i keep ravger or change to UF with the thunder logo?

[uneven mason]

Ravager

unless you enjoy the feeling of kicking cinder blocks up hill

[open monolith]

My pug run did pretty well on KT, I never needed to Intimidating shout those adds, but I promise you someone is going to find that information handy at some point.

I feel like... the average quality of DPS player has dropped significantly since the last time I played

[uneven mason]

KTs flamestrikes were nasty

1 shotting folks

[wild sandal]

dont really understand what u mean

[open monolith]

@uneven mason you know you need to soak the flame strike... right?

like stack multiple people in the circle

[uneven mason]

I guess they didn't

I never got targeted by it

[jagged pier]

he means you keep ravager

[open monolith]

it's a "meteor"

[uneven mason]

but I'll let em know 😄

[open monolith]

"Ember blast" I think it is called

[uneven mason]

yeah, makes sense now.

[open monolith]

it does put a nasty DoT on everyone who soaks it

but they nerfed the DoT last night

so it's much more manageable

[wild sandal]

i meant the cinder block thing, confused me, but why ravager? more damage?

[open monolith]

Yeah it's more damage

More threat

less clunky rotation during Avatar

[uneven mason]

I mean, UF Just makes you spam TC, which, even under UF buff, it hits like a feather and burns a lot of GCDs

[wild sandal]

ah ok

[open monolith]

TC under UF hits just slightly less hard than Revenge

[uneven mason]

GCDs you could be using on SS and Revenge

[open monolith]

it's not like it's a damp noodle lol

[uneven mason]

its a wet noodle

[wild sandal]

ye i like ravger even more but thought UF would be better, good to know

[open monolith]

you'll definitely get higher demo shout uptime out of UF with TL

but that alone isn't necessarily worth not having Ravager

I was using ITF during the raid yesterday

I missed Ravager

[quiet sandal]

UF is better damage than ravager with the legendary

but u have to have anger management too

[uneven mason]

^^

which means you're not running bolster

[quiet sandal]

yeah

[uneven mason]

which means you're sacrificing a lot of survivability

in higher keys

[quiet sandal]

which ouchies

[open monolith]

@quiet sandal no it isn't

it's been simmed

Ravager still does more damage than UF on 3 targets

[uneven mason]

Ravager is big D damage

and way more rage

rage you don't have to spend GCDs generating

smoother rage I should say

[quiet sandal]

i tested myself on 5 target dummies

[uneven mason]

I found running UF made my aggro on larger packs unreliable

[open monolith]

That's nice.

[uneven mason]

when the DPS went to burst.

[open monolith]

It isn't more damage.

[uneven mason]

Ravager is rock solid aggro lock

[quiet sandal]

UF + AM?

[open monolith]

Yes

[uneven mason]

Zebra

[open monolith]

UF + AM is not more damage than Ravager.

[quiet sandal]

isn't more than bolster rav

?

[uneven mason]

you're not accounting for the time gaps between packs

if you were working on taget dummies you were probably pushing rage constantly for multile avatar cycles

[open monolith]

You never mentioned Bolster, lol

[uneven mason]

in practice Ravager is more damage throughout the fight.

I did

[quiet sandal]

well i said UF is only better if u have AM too

[open monolith]

Ravager / AM > UF / AM

[uneven mason]

and if you're doing bigger keys, you want bolster

there are situations I think that UF could be made workable

[open monolith]

of course it is WORKABLE

it's just not better in pretty much any situation

[uneven mason]

if you're running show of force

but who does that 😄

[quiet sandal]

i was when testing dmg

for funs

[uneven mason]

might explain it

[quiet sandal]

yeah was pure dps test

wouldn't say it's the most viable spec just that it pumps

[open monolith]

Alright guys, we're going to take a trip to fantasy land for discussion purposes only

Blizzard has decided prot Warrior needs a buff: what do they realistically buff in order to make our lows less low, and help change the ignorant community's view on the spec?

[dense pivot]

pay twitch streamers to push high keys and say bullshit reasons why prot is bis

no one will question them

[open monolith]

😐

[woven radish]

Seems legit

[honest plinth]

lok guys i can deflect this cast prot is bis

also

i can leap

and charge

[open monolith]

You are all no fun.

[woven radish]

I hate "deflect"

Makes pp limp when I expect big REflect

[dense pivot]

sorry, I don't know spec enough to answer seriously

[uneven mason]

A training course on when to use shield block for all the flipperhanded streamers who do those tier lists.

Also 90% IP back

just saying.

[strong forum]

Wanna know makes pp limp? Not even having reflect

[open monolith]

imagine not having reflect L O L E

[strong forum]

And then you sit there "I wish I could deflect/reflect this right now"

I have that constantly when playing other tanks

[open monolith]

has anyone done lady dark vein enough to know for sure that you can permanently sit at 1 stack of the tank debuff and not need to tank swap?

[strong forum]

"I could reflect this right now, instead I have to tank this mechanic now"

[open monolith]

I only learned about the deflect against her AFTER i gave up on my pug lol

[strong forum]

We killed her on 2nd pull idk

You need to avoid 2 casts in a row to drop the debuff

[signal plover]

@open monolith you can yes

[open monolith]

that's awesome.

[signal plover]

Her casts give you the couple seconds you need

At least in normal. Doing HC tonight so will confirm

[open monolith]

25 sec CD on reflect

debuff is 20 seconds

It'll either align in such a way that it is VERY tight, or it'll be k

I'll have to try that next time

[signal plover]

It's basically like the carapace debuff

[open monolith]

as someone who hasn't raided since 8.1, that means nothing to me 🙂

[uneven mason]

FOrce a DPS warrior to take the mirror lego

put yourself in a group only with them

👏 0 debuffs

[honest plinth]

dps warrior?

[signal plover]

The one that's not available til great vault?

[open monolith]

^ actual 400iq strat

[uneven mason]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[signal plover]

;)

[uneven mason]

Yea, some of us have to DPS while we wait for "an accident" to befall the 2nd tank.

[open monolith]

wdym not available until great vault?

I got the spell reflect legendary

[honest plinth]

i mean UH dk is dps spec

or boomy

[signal plover]

Oh is it just earning a reward and not actually picking up the reward?

I picked the quest up but haven't been to that room since lol

[open monolith]

huh?

I got it from Torghast

[signal plover]

Mishappen mirror?

[open monolith]

spell reflect lasts longer and affects 1 other party member?

[signal plover]

Yes

It's a reward from the dude that gives the quest next to the great vault

[open monolith]

You know, it's possible my dumb boomer ass is mixing up a memory of seeing the Anima power with looting the memory

[signal plover]

I was gonna say...

[open monolith]

I'll need to check when I get home

FR though best way to tank Lady Darkvein

2 prot warriors

= 0 tank debuffs

gg

[honest plinth]

prot warror meta hype.

stop pls

they will nerf us

[open monolith]

You know, the funny thing is

I've literally had nothing but compliments

not one person has complained about "squishy" or anything

and seeing as how I exclusively pug, I'm going to take that as a victory for the class

[obsidian gate]

I am in the same boat

im still only just touching heroics

but i've been told numerous times as a prot warrior i've been fine to heal

[uneven mason]

Welcome to being the sleeper surprise, like we were in 8.0

[honest plinth]

we are taking not that much dmg

[open monolith]

I haven't even noticed myself being excluded from group finder stuff. Pretty much insta-invited to everything

[solar crown]

I had one noob tell me he didnt wanna run the m0 last week because the tank (me) was a warrior. But he admitted he was a retard by the time we were done

[obsidian gate]

lol

[sweet surge]

Boys, is there an addon that will display on my UI, visibly, what is it that's doing damage to me, complete with names of abilities etc? I stream my runs and looking to improve my knowledge of M+ by studying the VoDs, but since mechanics are still new, I am having a hard time identifying which of many abilities cast by packs of mobs are killing me

[uneven mason]

Just parse to warcraft logs

[sweet surge]

I'm sure I saw it on a stream once, looked alike to Details! Streamer mode. I'd be perfect if I could instantly identify from the VoD instead of having to dig through logs

[quiet sandal]

use details damage taken

and just mousover current fight

should show u percent of each ability

[sweet surge]

I think I saw on Dratnos' stream a sort of "stream" of the latest damage taken

[quiet sandal]

death recap?

[sweet surge]

It was ongoing as he was alive, Death Recap is when you're dead no? Or is that a separate addon?

[quiet sandal]

no the death recap is a Details feature too

[glossy apex]

Hey!
What's your item level?
as a 174 I had people telling me I was taking too much damage on the Artificer fight.

I've read warriors aren't good with magic damage, but I would like to know if anyone else had trouble with this fight.

[quiet sandal]

i mean there's scrolling combat text, you could turn that on.

[sweet surge]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/831887036?t=02h06m52s you can see this on top of his camera

[open monolith]

"Warriors aren't good against magic damage"

I hear this constantly. We get ignore pain which lowers magic damage (all damage) by 50%..... what do OTHER tanks have that make them "good" against magic? I know BrM has 30% magic stagger or something like that.

[quiet sandal]

that

[glossy apex]

Agreed with that, but what if i can keep Ignore Pain up?

[quiet sandal]

is pretty ui, idk how to do that haha

[open monolith]

I mean, obviously rage is a limitation.

but like... what I Want to know is what OTHER tanks do that makes them "better" than warrior against magic damage

My knowledge of other tanks is limited to just brewmaster.

[obsidian gate]

Yo, im still 162, and i'm yet to complete all runs on heroics. As i said, just started dipping my feet. You just have to manage your cd's. Spell reflect is amazing, and knowing when to use your defensives are vital

[open monolith]

mostly because I want to slap some kids constantly making this argument.

[quiet sandal]

bursty self healing i think

is what people think is better

[glossy apex]

Blood DK has AMS

[open monolith]

So death strike, WoG, Frenzied regen?

[obsidian gate]

I mean, hell even using intimidating shout as an interrupt is invaluable

[solar crown]

Dks got ams and amz, if you want examples

[keen oasis]

On the wall leggo haste + vers or haste + mastery?

[open monolith]

vers is better than mastery

everything is better than mastery

[quiet sandal]

vdh has tattoos

very tanky those tattoos

[open monolith]

Very true.

[keen oasis]

So haste and vers?

[glossy apex]

I do that as well. Did you run castle nathria?

[obsidian gate]

I'm 162.. lol so no

[open monolith]

Is there a discord specifically for guild recruitment 😮

[steel mauve]

ya a massive one

[glossy apex]

Maybe thats my issue. I have 24% mastery, even when my enchants and gems are haste (16%).

[solar crown]

Remember that spell reflect doesnt just reglect certain spells, it also reduces magic damage taken. I would guess most of us use it inefficiently

[open monolith]

Iron you got a link to this massive recruitment discord? 😮

[steel mauve]

its called recruitment & community [NA/OC], usually you can find it by googling it

[open monolith]

ah ok

thx

[glossy apex]

I'm going to use it more often. Thanks

[steel mauve]

https://discord.gg/vN2sWsB

its extremely well organized, its amazing what theyve done since they actually started it as a specific server recruitment discord and it kind of blossomed in popularity

and became just a massive US/OC server recruitment

[steel mauve]

other than haste, our other 3 stats are very close in terms of defensive value

[still pagoda]

MSBT

or Parrot 2

[steel mauve]

vers would technically be better but if you are having issues with survivability, i can guarantee changing stats wont have the desired effect

[still pagoda]

you will need to configure it though

so it looks properly

[uneven mason]

All stats are good for defensive value, haste is strongest because of its impact on rage generation and SB uptime, but its not like having mastery is a negative, there is a reason why Item level is our king goal for gear, with haste only becoming a consideration in situations where item level is equal.

[solar crown]

I enchant and gem haste, as i. Only at 16%.. no idea how you got to 24% you lucky bastard

[torn gulch]

i'll personally stack haste until 25% at least

i have 8% now and it feels bad

[steel mauve]

he has 24% mastery not haste

[glossy apex]

I'm at 16% haste as well

[uneven mason]

I personall wear the highest item level because that increases my armor through double dipping on str

[sick sentinel]

Are you all using The Wall or TLord for keys? I stepped back from MT for raiding, but I will definitely be tanking keys here shortly.

[solar crown]

Aha, that explains it :D

[steel mauve]

tlord for keys wall for raiding

[uneven mason]

Haste isn't a "Stack till 25" its stack till 100% effective uptime on SB heh

[torn gulch]

which can't be achieved

23% allows 3 SB back to back

[steel mauve]

haste will never not be good, and there isnt a % cap to stop getting haste

[solar crown]

Stop killing my dreams!

[uneven mason]

however, you don't sacrifice item level to gain more haste

you'll bone your survivability for sure doing that.

[torn gulch]

that is why i hope the great vault is kind to me

[uneven mason]

MAYBE on fringe situations with rings/necks (non str stat equipment) you could drop 5 for a huge haste gain

[strong forum]

There's also #promotion, basically every class discord has something similar

[torn gulch]

oh yeah on necks and rings i will target the ones with loads of haste

already saw the ones i want to get

denathrius ring is first on myshopping list

at 220 ilvl

and the stichflesh ring from necrotic wake

[uneven mason]

I Mean, thats not sacrificing item level for sure 😄

[torn gulch]

if i have to choose between a 226 shit ring and 220 denathrius ring

i'll chose the 220 very very fast

it's like 160 haste/5% haste

[strong forum]

Even a 207 raid ring is competetive to 226s

Or well, any raid ring*

Obscene amounts of haste

[torn gulch]

you mean the denathriusa one?

[strong forum]

Any of the 2 big haste rings in CN

There's 2 150+ haste rings

They're 100% gonna be bis, probably even at 200 ilvl

[torn gulch]

oh yeah the crit hatse one

looks very very good

[open monolith]

I got 1 piece of loot from 5 bosses 😮

the haste wrists from huntsman

[torn gulch]

welcome to shadowlands

3 pieces per boss on a 20 man raid

it will be a shock for many

the fact that gear will be much much scarcer

[open monolith]

an unholy DK got the trinket from hungering 😦

I was big sad

[torn gulch]

gluttonous spike?

[lone folio]

Is Bladedancer's armor kit any good for Raids? Or should I use an 171 anima field emmiter?

[coral marsh]

how good is the kaelthas trinket?

[strong forum]

Armor kit is absolute dogshit, emitter is really good

[blissful imp]

TFW you got armor kit on both your tanks and hakkar refuses to cough his up

[strong forum]

Its the cheat death trinket right? Not really amazing, it can do huge dmg, but it's 8min CD is very lackluster, as all cheat death trinkets

[uneven mason]

cheat death trinkets

ugh

[torn gulch]

i am still using nzoth trinket

13-15% of my healing in a dungeon

ridiculous for a previous xpac trinket

[sturdy sable]

urchin is still good as well

[gloomy cradle]

I just farmed the HC one, performs just fine

[open monolith]

armor kit is dogshit.

[steady aspen]

Hello there. Can you check if chest +30 gives stats. I Dont get anything atm

[uneven mason]

wat

[lone folio]

is armor kit even worth it in m+ at least? should I vendor it lol

[quiet sandal]

you need to enchant it for the +stats

[steady aspen]

When i apply +30 on chest. It does not give any stats

[quiet sandal]

ah

[open monolith]

@lone folio keep it in your bags for the ilvl

🙂

[quiet sandal]

sounds like time for GM ticket warcam

[steady aspen]

Yeh

[open monolith]

he is wanting someone else to verify 😮

I Would check for you warcam but I'm at work

[quiet sandal]

same

[steady aspen]

5k for nothing sounds bad move

[open monolith]

Warcam can you take a picture of your stats before and after equipping a piece of gear with it on?

it's not that I don't believe you but

[lone folio]

hahahah I already have a pvp trink at 184 and got one from normal

[steady aspen]

Not home atm

[open monolith]

Trust..... but verify

[shut summit]

It's primary stat not secondary iirc

Tooltip sucks

[steady aspen]

Should it give secondary or primary or both

Ok

Ill doble check later

[open monolith]

definitely just primary

[steady aspen]

And 22hp per stm with 10% talent?

Or

[charred crag]

Can we go on mythic+ with gear full versa ? With my pvp gear 184, i have 20% versa.

[mellow patio]

|| vers is for nerds ||

[open monolith]

I mean

haste is better

[uneven mason]

I hate corruptions

[open monolith]

significantly

[uneven mason]

for the vers movement

that refuses to die

the ugly death it deserves

[open monolith]

you can go into a m+ naked if you're brave enough

[mellow patio]

Vers corruption

Never heard of her

[charred crag]

Thx for aswer

[open monolith]

ProT iS UnDerPerFOrMiNg!

Have you played prot, or with someone who is prot?

lol, no of course not, my favorite streamer said I shouldn't.

[quiet sandal]

being underrepresented is the same as being bad

to community

if they never see one they assume it's trash

[timber lagoon]

Was topping dps in a m0 pug last night lol

[mellow patio]

Pwar is sleeper. People who get I to a group with them are typically surprised

The only person who isn’t is the one with the shield 😎

[timber lagoon]

[ebon swan]

except that necrotic wake caster pull, definitely not sleeper on that

[strong forum]

it is

just pick up the orb

use it on them

kill the smallies first

perma interrupt the big guy after orb is out, smallies should be dead by then

purge the shield he casts on himself

done

[open monolith]

or better yet

skip that pull entirely

[uneven mason]

I mean, they live long enough to cast???

[chilly brook]

It's also pretty low on the EHRPS in raids tbh

[mellow patio]

Always is

“BuT ThiS RAiD iSs MaJiK”