Booming Voice with Thunderlord leggo?
#protection
alpine cave
honest plinth
yep
alpine cave
Alright!
dapper cosmos
Does mh weapon speed matter? I currently have a 2.6 sword but unsure if I should get a faster one
sweet summit
all onehanders are 2.6
dapper cosmos
Ooooh when did that change? So are all 2h 3.6 and daggers a certain speed?
steady jay
is quantum device or pulsating stoneheart the better trink for defense?
fierce tendon
I have been using Stoneheart and its kinda dogshit
sweet summit
its been a thing for a very long time now
normalized weapon speed
stoneheart is giga dogshit
fierce tendon
Yeah the healing is negligible over any sort of damage taken and unless you can click the debuff off you end up taking more dmg from not being able to kite in most situations
still pagoda
i just logged out after seeing uuuge lags in the maw
and few black character screens
astral crystal
based
still pagoda
i don't think i will not end up in the queue rn
fierce tendon
Huntsman is overtuned af
lusty marsh
Thank goodness for raid legs looking like 100% drops. I'm almost regretting not making tgv
still pagoda
imma sit this shitstorm out. Lags in zones(seems like it will be even in the raid), queues and questionable server stability
anyway i'm without a guild
so i can allow myself that
fierce tendon
Lmao
sweet summit
huntsman is overtuned
chilly brook
I wiped my group on hunstman
still pagoda
Council of blood stood for 12-16 hours
fierce tendon
I tried heroic and dps were getting one shot by the spray
still pagoda
straight
lusty marsh
What should be ilvl going into heroic. Was everyone up to par?
My guild is saying 171 min for normal and seeing how far we get into H
fierce tendon
My group was mostly 178-184 and we cleared 4 norm 1 heroic
chilly brook
I can't wait to get home and play Cyberpunk
uneven mason
I can't wait to get home and play Cyberpunk
☝️
signal plover
181 raid average, we killed 3 on heroic but had to 6 heal Altimor and hungering. Rumor is altimor's Sinseeker is about to get a (much needed) nerfbat @lusty marsh
26 raid size
still pagoda
I can't wait to get home and play Cyberpunk
3AM launch for European part of Russia
not my time
especially during studies
haughty meteor
Ravager or Into the Fray for Castle Nathria? Anyone tested if Ravager gets some play?
chilly brook
Are you wanting damage or survival?
uneven mason
Ravager is the play
sweet summit
id say ItF tbh
chilly brook
Except for sun king/last boi
Cuz you'll probably want ravager for that
Sun king is straight add fight so ravager
steady fiber
Hi, any tips on how to find static for raid and m + ?:D
strong forum
It surprisingly hits harder than I thought it would
yeah CN is overtuned AF rn
tardy parcel
altimor hit haaaard last night (on normal). on the other hand, hungering devourer's damage felt almost undertuned - barring people derping on ejection
signal plover
laughs in heroic Hungering Destroyer
jagged pier
it probably just tuned around higher gear like you can farm 20 ilvls more from m+ thats huge
signal plover
Ya obv
solar crown
Isnt ravager + bolster the build?
strong forum
yes
uneven mason
yeah CN is overtuned AF rn
From what I can see, its tuned more like raids used to be say, back in early Mists.
Its like they finally made the choice to shift normal back to normal difficulty, rather than normal being "Flex" difficulty (ya'll remember flex right?)
chilly brook
Idk
uneven mason
What happened with the WoD prepatch was normal became flex (basically LFR with master loot), heroic became normal and mythic replaced heroic along the way, raids have continually slid more toward the end of LFR level difficulty on normal and heroic
chilly brook
Itd be the first time where mythic dungeon gear was considered undergeared for normal which is weird champ
uneven mason
No you're confusing "Undergeared" with "Underperforming"
chilly brook
And makes not a whole lot of sense
uneven mason
can't just jello slide through normal in blues
chilly brook
I mean
uneven mason
ignoring mechanics etc..
uneven mason
Not saying you in specific, but in general, used to be (back in my day) if you got targeted by something you hit a CD or you died.
mellow patio
I am a big fan of current difficulty
uneven mason
WoD onward DPS mechanics have become more forgiving
its almost like they want you to have to gear in normal before you can completely clear it
horrifying I Know.
chilly brook
It is
mellow patio
It’s intended for fools to craft legendaries
And to have done m+
And it was never intended to be cleared in one day
uneven mason
we all know the real endgame in WoW is the MDI!
chilly brook
Again
mellow patio
But man sludgefist will fuck your shit up man I love it lmao
chilly brook
Intending you to have to do m+ to clear normal makes almost no sense
Considering the ilvl jump from m0 to normal raid is literally almost the same ilvl jump from normal to heroic
still pagoda
yeah CN is overtuned AF rn
uneven mason
Intending you to have to do m+ to clear normal makes almost no sense
They want you to farm the easier bosses in the raid to get gear to clear it
like it was back before raids had 5 difficulties
but chances are they'll nerf it hard by next week
earnest lava
so if wall drops tonight, what are we crafting it into /#
chilly brook
They want you to farm the easier bosses in the raid to get gear to clear it
They haven't said that at all
uneven mason
Feels that way though
chilly brook
You're confusing lack of testing and tuning with what you want it to be
uneven mason
Not confused, just hopeful!
mellow patio
It’s tuned for your raid to be 200 ilvl with legendaries. That is overturned considering most people aren’t crafting yet and most people didn’t farm m+ to get that ilvl. Blizzard knows that. But it’s definitely overturned
chilly brook
Not confused, just hopeful!
If there was a huge shift in how they want the difficulty of raids and how they want you to gear they would have explained it during interviews
That's not something you just change and not communicate
mellow patio
It feels like blizzard is mad cause people aren’t crafting and waiting. Which don’t get me wrong I’m here for it I love getting trucked in N/Hc
uneven mason
with the compressed ilvls that's quite a jump, most guilds going into normal were probably rolling around in baby blues
tardy parcel
so if wall drops tonight, what are we crafting it into /#
Please don't take this as law - and please, everyone else chime in - but looking over the gear available from Nathria, I'm thinking shoulders will be the move for The Wall. Better itemization on cloaks in the raid than shoulders imo, especially when you factor in higher stats on shoulders
distant crystal
difficulty is great rn
chilly brook
with the compressed ilvls that's quite a jump, most guilds going into normal wer...
No my guild had like an average of 180 something
And it still trucks in normal
uneven mason
counter point, you can get away with leaving a cloak as a crappy 190 for much longer than shoulders
chilly brook
It's just overtuned
distant crystal
gotta actually learn the fight and do mechanics even for normal
can't just bruteforce it like usual
uneven mason
gotta actually learn the fight and do mechanics even for normal
O M F G
chilly brook
Because they didnt do enough testing because they couldn't fix their fights lol
mellow patio
Yeah it’s not a Zerg fest
tardy parcel
counter point, you can get away with leaving a cloak as a crappy 190 for much lo...
That's really true lol
mellow patio
Intended and good
solar crown
what conduits are you guys rocking? im thinking unnerving focus must be nice with bolster, last stand and revenge spam
earnest lava
wait, @tardy parcel @uneven mason , that's not a counter point, that supports his statement doesn't it? craft wall shoulders
sweet summit
shoulders are 100% the play for the wall
rotund halo
piecing verdict before show of force regardless of rank?
sweet summit
pretty much yeah
uneven mason
wait, <@!186023595812585472> <@!123448908838862849> , that's not a counter poin...
Nah it was more that you could just leave the cloak at 190, and loot heroic shoulders (higher ilvl) since the cloak had far less impact on being a lower ilvl. More for folks who are multispeccing and needing to upkeep 2 legos
lusty marsh
My plan is to get the wall tonight and Insta rank 2 it before the next boss.
jade axle
Atleast you guys can get into a queue, my game is going straight through to char screen but showing black screen no characters
uneven mason
updated videocard drivers?
jade axle
Yeah I can make chars on other servers
tardy parcel
That was happening for my guild yesterday on NA when the servers had first come up. It resolved itself within like an hour
jade axle
And queue on kazzak but draenor where I have chars it black screens and no queue
fierce tendon
Was happening to me yesterday, I just waited and they showed up eventually
earnest lava
so what two missives on the lego, haste and ... mastery ?
uneven mason
I think mastery is behind the other 2
I think its haste > vers >= crit > mastery atm?
tardy parcel
yea i did haste/vers but haste/crit would be fine too
earnest lava
oh, i will check guides again quick.. thjanks
lusty marsh
How flexible is boss ordering.
I remember hearing you pick between 2 on royal quarters. Can you do the same in catacombs
fallow mortar
lusty marsh
Shriek into hungering
fallow mortar
about that much flexible
lusty marsh
Damn
earnest lava
any good tank or war tank notes / overview?
watched a lot of vids, but a high level set of basic notes would be great
signal plover
@earnest lava try tank notes or ready check pull's summary pdf (linked on their youtube I think)
void merlin
signal plover
Ya that's wot I meant by tanknotes
earnest lava
nice, thank you
sweet kayak
Phial/Health Potion/Health Stone, should I bind each one? >.<
sweet summit
yoooo
stark sage
gaming
strong forum
cant
gentle trellis
Yep. Got a 100 on huntsman as well ez game
craggy harness
Jesus H Warrior, Triple Bite was surprising the first time
pure silo
feets or hands for the wall ?
lusty marsh
Shoulder
sweet summit
thunderlord on boots
wall on shoulders
lusty marsh
Hand feet are thunder options
still pagoda
everyone is raiding while I'm sitting in a queue
gentle trellis
Wall 100% drop? cause... i got it. 🙂
sweet summit
yes 100%
restive flax
would need some of that 100% dropchance on something
3 mythic ids in and I'm still missing 5 items
lusty marsh
With IP being smacked off almost instantly is it better to use the shield wall CD reduction over brutal vit.
strong forum
how often do you get IP
both are great conduits
for raiding SW might be better
for m+ brutal vit is better because of aoe
lavish oracle
Played some keys as warrior, still feels great
Only did a couple +4s though so that might change 😄
tardy parcel
I'm really enjoying playing my Warrior again (hadn't played him since early Legion). I love having such a large amount of buttons that just feel good to hit.
uneven mason
If you think these buttons feel good, you should've felt Thunderclap with UF during BFA
lavish oracle
Honestly, the spear snap feels so good in keys it's actually absurd
lavish oracle
Yeah, BfA warrior felt so good it's a shame that a lot of people dipped for the xpac
uneven mason
now its like bumping into them with a Ugo on neutral
limpid pawn
if azeroth auto pilot skipped the part where I could tell my covenant that i heard the story already
is there a way to go back to it?
steel mauve
once skipped you cant go back
thats why i turn off the option for aap to auto select my options and also auto flight path
limpid pawn
fuuuu
uneven mason
using autopilot
steel mauve
i only use it for accepting and turning in quests, got tired of having to move my mouse around to accept a hundred quests from one person
leaden steeple
should I upgrade thunderfury boots or craft the wall next week
leaden steeple
ah okay, sticking with the thunderstompers then ty
sick sentinel
Thunderlord has felt nice in raid with all the adds ngl
lavish oracle
Whats the soul ash cap this week?
uneven mason
Thanks flipperhanded tier list youtubers who can't press shield block
lavish oracle
It's okay, I want buffs, don't let anyone know we're fine
marsh shale
warrior is rly strong
lavish oracle
Soul ash cap like 2400 this week?
dense pivot
Idk what cap is, torghast and quest?
pulsar ginkgo
i feel like i get deletet at +7
lavish oracle
Yeah, torg/quest + 1520
dense pivot
well table gives ash
lavish oracle
Well okay, without table what's the cap :P
I play Kyrian I only just unlocked the ash table missions, haha
lavish oracle
Alright cool
lavish oracle
Guess I'll craft a rank 2 this week and another rank 1 next week
torn gulch
i need that 25% haste
lavish oracle
I have 17 and the haste pool trinket, noticeable improvement
ionic fern
I got..10.
torn gulch
and hoiw does it feel mwahi?
ionic fern
Great.
lavish oracle
10% haste breakpoint, you heard it here first
torn gulch
i had 40% uptime on it
lavish oracle
:P
torn gulch
in my last dungeon
ionic fern
40% uptime on what?
torn gulch
SB
ionic fern
Wat.
Oh, SB uptime just
No one cares about SB uptime
It's about effective uptime.
E.g blocked hits.
torn gulch
and how do i see that?
ionic fern
Loooogs.
torn gulch
ah ok
ionic fern
lavish oracle
Honestly spear snap back feels so good I can't wait for a necrotic week
sweet summit
just phial 😎
lavish oracle
Haha, yeah, that's fair
ionic fern
Nah, i CARE about my healers unlike you Erga..so i let them parse.
sweet summit
this is why youre the kindest person i know
ionic fern
Sounds fun
sweet summit
people lacking brain cells
chilly brook
Nice
sweet summit
very fun
pulsar ginkgo
do you use anger managemnt with the thunderlord Legendary als Last talent or bolster for mythic + ?
sweet summit
bolster if you need the extra SB uptime
chilly brook
SlUdGeFiSt Is PaTcHwErK fIgHt
lavish oracle
Bolster
sweet summit
AM if you feel fine and wanna pump more dps
pulsar ginkgo
naah i dont feel fine :DDD everything above +8 kills me so fast
dense pivot
sludgefist sounds very zugzugish so yeah must be patchwerk fight
prime umbra
Hello my shield brothers
sweet summit
i hate it
ionic fern
Just play tank.
sweet summit
next tier
ionic fern
sweet summit
junior jolt
open monolith
lady Darkvein is fun in a pug >.>
@junior jolt no
I did just fine on a +9 yesterday
if you're struggling it's probably because you don't realize you need to kite.
nobody has enough gear to face tank big pulls
uneven mason
Use it on a pally and have him bubble
Why do that when you could obliterate the trash talking UDK, just like the HDH back on Fetid "OH leapy come here, I got a lash for ya!"
fair crystal
Lol
uneven mason
No joke, my first Mythic Fetid kill was then one I intentionally intervened to our Havoc DH before he could drop the DOT on the tanks and wipe us
charred yoke
the fury and arms chat have beeen making me sad.... is it more promising over here?
uneven mason
🤘
sweet summit
dps channels are doomed
uneven mason
wheres our dancing coffin men
charred yoke
so its not better here.... 😦
sweet summit
it is a lot better here
charred yoke
hows prot doing in keys?
sweet summit
solid
charred yoke
that is good news
charred yoke
im sick of getting within 5% of my sims and still being the lowest dps around
180 ilvl and garbage
limpid pawn
definitely requires more skill than other tanks
charred yoke
because i dont think my fury or arms can do it
is thunderlord bis lego?
boutta craft
idgaf anymore
sweet summit
for dungeons yeah
charred yoke
make me strong
lusty marsh
I'd have already made thunder if I wasn't going to be raid tanking.
gentle wagon
Is it possible to craft a second leggo this week
lusty marsh
I'm pretty sure it is.
mellow patio
Can craft 2 rank 1s I believe
lusty marsh
Or 1 rank 2
mellow patio
Seems about right
lusty marsh
Nice
earnest lava
sludgefist is going to be the big boi wall ?
mellow patio
Sludgefist separates the men from the boys
mellow patio
When he enraged tighten your butts men it’s game time
craggy harness
Replace the Decanter with Spike to keep haste, no?
hallow phoenix
I really don't like the decanter
limpid pawn
i'd go w/ the 2 higher ilevel ones
lusty marsh
What's your other 200 ilvl trinket
craggy harness
[TBD]
craggy harness
i figure the frequent haste buff is nicer than the other
lusty marsh
And not casting ravager I assume.
lusty marsh
Oh I see.
sweet summit
why would you not cast ravager?
hallow phoenix
Aren't they different tiers
sweet summit
nope
sweet summit
ItF/UF/Ravager same row
limpid pawn
when ravager is never used again, ill be happy
lusty marsh
But I like ravager
lusty marsh
And yeah I thought that if he thought he had ITF it would make no sense to be using ravager.
pliant sage
So I feel squishy af, I'm still gearing through Heroics, will the tankyness of Prot get better with gear?
sweet summit
heroic dungeons?
open monolith
Aight. Pugged up to darkvein. That dps check will humble many pugs
pliant sage
Ye, heroic 5mans.
open monolith
Not a bad day of pugging.
If you feel squishy, it's likely because you're not using your active mitigation properly
open monolith
War is not squishy, but it has significantly lower lows than other tanks and requires more knowledge of the class than others
open monolith
Yeah that is the biggest mistake
pliant sage
I'm keeping Shield Block up and using Demo on bigger packs. I'm having to fill in with Shield Wall on some packs
And I know blocking attacks is more DR over a fight pack than the small shield from IP
Just feels bad to have to use 2+min CDs on packs
pliant sage
I basically do, once per pack for the rage gen
open monolith
Absolutely should not be needing to use shield wall on any packs on heroic difficulty
tardy parcel
Similarly: was tanking with a random paladin tank who would get CHUNKED randomly on... really any normal Nathria fight. Don't have logs to check for things, unfortunately. Don't pallies have the potential for absurdly high uptime on SOTR now? Or am I crazy
I'm just wondering why he would have been taking so much damage so frequently
open monolith
Make sure you're not spending rage on revenge other than maybe at the very beginning for aggeo and to spread deep wounds
pliant sage
Yes pally can keep Shield up 100% now
tardy parcel
Sounds like dude a dummy then
pliant sage
I'm using Revenge if aggro drops (aggro has been an issue as well) but most control is coming from tclap and Shockwave
formal river
I'll revenge when I want to revenge damnit
tardy parcel
What is your item level @pliant sage? That sounds very unusual to be struggling both with mit AND aggro in a heroic 5m
tardy parcel
Np. Yeah gear definitely makes the difference, but I started tanking heroics week 1 at like 145 ilvl and was fine as long as we took it a little slow
mellow patio
Pally doesn’t hold up super well to large phys dam even with current AM uptime for them
pliant sage
Logged out in Arms gear but at 164
I started as soon as I could at 155, I'm hoping it's a me thing but maybe it's a pug thing.
I can fix how I play, can't do much for pugs
formal river
You have a long time to grind gear, I wouldn't stress too much. Do one m+ to get your chest and just finish he m0s
You'll be 176 or so this week
tardy parcel
Pally doesn’t hold up super well to large phys dam even with current AM uptime f...
Interesting. I recognize the huge phys mit disparity between prot warr and prot pally, but the healers were seriously concerned at his yoyo-ing health. I'll keep looking into it cuz I'm prolly tanking with him again tomorrow
lusty marsh
Cool, I'm also tanking with a prot pally co
They have been complaining that it's hard to keep 100% uptime on shield though.
pliant sage
Is he focusing on Shield uptime over self healing? If he's spending Holy Power on WoG it may be keeping am down
tardy parcel
I agree in not sweating things too much Buttons, just keep working on the gear. The natural side effect of the gearing is that you'll get more comfortable with rotating mitigation.
I suspect that's part of the issue, yeah. I'm not sure if it really makes a ton of sense to be using WoG when there's primarily physical damage going out (other than in a pinch, I guess), but I also don't play pally at all
formal river
Getting haste changes the class so much
craggy harness
sub 10% haste at start of heroic dungeons felt cringe
can only play the hand that's dealt you tho
timber lagoon
Hey at least this is the weakest we'll be whole xpac
solar crown
How do you guys feel on Darkvein? Feels like there isnt much to do besides stand still and reflect a dot
timber lagoon
MOAR HASTE
craggy harness
at least they make us feel like gods with the temp anima powers in torghast
timber lagoon
24s shield wall with ignore pain cast is amazing
open monolith
Warped desires is not the stacking one
solar crown
2 sec
open monolith
I don't think it is, am I stupid?
solar crown
yes it is?
open monolith
I thought that was expose cognitiion
solar crown
solar crown
yes, so i just took the 1st one like a man, then i reflect the 2nd
and hopefully the 3rd one is to late
so the 1st one ticks out
no need to tank-swap
open monolith
My pug couldn't meet darkvein dps check
solar crown
have you been using spell reflect on something else? im curious, cus i feel like paper as soon as i get 3 stacks
solar crown
well, no, but assume that the other tank is sometimes somewhere else picking up an add that some idiot spawned far away
nevermind
dunno why im arguing that wrong play
open monolith
Never had that issue lol
I took three stacks one time on accident and I definitely needed to shield wal
solar crown
is the boss a dps check?
open monolith
Yes
At least it was for my group. She focused the fourth container when it was at literally one anima cuz we just drained it
And she never focused a different one
So it got to 100 and wiped us, two times in a row
haughty meteor
Shoulder or Back for the Wall lego? give it to me fast and straight
torn gulch
always shoulder
haughty meteor
rgr 10-4
earnest lava
just made the shoulder based on advice here
tardy parcel
Plus the shoulder looks so fresh
torn gulch
i am crafting wall rank 1 thunderlord rank 1 deathmaker rank 1 next week
charred yoke
how does tl feel?
tardy parcel
I've been decidedly... whelmed by thunderlord since crafting it. It's great, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't feel as "cool" as I think I had built it up to feel in my head prior to release lol
charred yoke
debating on crafting it or just going with more dps legos
tardy parcel
Ya
open monolith
Yeah I like it
lusty marsh
Rank 3? This week?
open monolith
Definitely notice it in mythic plus
torn gulch
next week
open monolith
Don't notice it at all in raids
tardy parcel
I get the impression that the wall will feel more impactful. Especially in raid (duh)
vocal bison
i keep forgetting to use it optimally, I'll be tanking and be like - oh hey it's been up again why am i not using it
plush pagoda
what are yall running talents for m+
tardy parcel
Exclusively impending victory and never surrender. Best talents
strange hound
Does thunderlord make avatar line up better with demo shout or is it still funky
vocal bison
strange hound
when using anger management
tardy parcel
actual answer: deva/rumbling/boomer voice/crackling thundah/indom/rav/bolster
steel mauve
try not to give incorrect information as people do actually come to this discord to learn to play better and they may not actually think you are joking or being sarcastic
pliant sage
Back. And just from reading the interactions I think I'll want The Wall over Thunderlord. Thanks for the help @tardy parcel
tardy parcel
Considering stormbolt just cuz I like more stuns but not really doing anything that warrants it yet
tardy parcel
try not to give incorrect information as people do actually come to this discord...
Fair enough, sorry lol
open monolith
What talent is rumbling
tardy parcel
Rumbling Earth, reduced cd on shockwave if you tag 3+ targets
pliant sage
I mean, I took Punish because I hate not being able to do a thing every global. Makes me feel more in pace and in more controll
I love Rumbling Earth
strange hound
Rumbling is super good
steel mauve
im taking double time currently but i will probably lean heavier on storm bolt at higher keys
strange hound
90% of the time charge it back up when you need it might as well take a CC enchancer
open monolith
Storm bolt / double time for life
steel mauve
and extra interrupt is insane, especially on things that cant be interrupted but can be stunned
tardy parcel
Yea that's my rationale for thinking of swapping to Stormbolt as well @steel mauve. The additional interrupt is worth its weight in gold
quartz mist
Is it just me or is anyone else getting hit like absolute butter
quartz mist
185 in a +8
open monolith
Pugged up to darkvein, felt fine
quartz mist
I get glocked
open monolith
well if you think you're going to be able to stand there and take the hits without needing to properly kite or run away at the right times
tardy parcel
In general or specific mobs?
open monolith
You're wrong
Most of the issues with feeling squishy can be rectified with proper play
And I absolutely do not mean that in an insulting way
vocal bison
I have to leap away on multi-group pulls on just SoA +5, another option could be CC
open monolith
Kiting comes into play anytime you're taking too much damage
tardy parcel
just gotta rides ze shoopuff away
solar crown
@open monolith whats your ilevel? If i may ask
ebon swan
tbh spires has some of the worst pulls for me I noticed as well
too much shit going on
vocal bison
yea, lot of ground stuff too that's not that easy to see
that lower keys you don't even really notice
ebon swan
focusing on a lot of things but always just miss 1 or 2 and then its like wtf i just got globalled how
vocal bison
sneaks up on you
tardy parcel
That pull before second boss in spires always boops me harder than anything else
ebon swan
that pull is insane
tardy parcel
Right after the lil jump
haughty meteor
I got that prot trinket from bear boss. Barhets Leash or something. Is it as useless as it looks? I cant believe how bad it looks? Or am I not seeing it?
solar crown
Ok, thanks :)
open monolith
It's not great
pure siren
Is it just me or is anyone else getting hit like absolute butter
Im having the same issue, im getting hit very hard, having no fun in +8 :/
solar crown
Bladedancer is super shit, but im using it myself x)
mighty smelt
Im having the same issue, im getting hit very hard, having no fun in +8 :/
For me I feel invincible with cds but the second I'm out of shield blocks and cooldowns. I feel I have no rage and nothing to handle the damage.
+8 was easy and a 9 wasn't too bad but yeah it's scary at times
pure siren
it is doable..but like ur worried af every pull
nocturne marlin
Depends which Dungeon ;)
quartz mist
Any good vods to watch of prot warrs do kiting and such?
vocal bison
then spear 'em
mighty smelt
<@120947580162146306> that's when you tclap and hop away
Yeah then the mobs have a frontal cleave and hit your group hahah
Sanguine depths anyone
vocal bison
if you use spear right away, by the time you cycle defensives and leap away spear should be back up again
astral crystal
cant mongo pull as hard in a 10 as you can in a 7
found out the hard way in sanguine depths
vocal bison
was timing a +6 plaguefall comfortably, then the healer died 8 times to tentacle girl at the end
we didn't time
pure siren
who would be the best healer with us?
I find doing mythic+ with disc priests be very hard, im low all the time 😄
astral crystal
shaman is super strong atm
mighty smelt
Resto druid HoTs felt super weak for some reason
vocal bison
I'm probably stereotyping but I just avoid grouping with disc priests whenever it's bursting
open monolith
I think the vast majority of people who are complaining about being too squishy are people who haven't really done high keys before
twin comet
is the unbreakable will worth using?
pure siren
Im not feeling safe at all with disc priest tbh :/
open monolith
You are not meant to face tank the mobs in a plus 8 day one of mythic plus
You don't have the gear for it
You need to carefully time your cooldowns and active mitigation along with kiting
astral crystal
yeah
astral crystal
10s are painful af, not really sure im gonna be able to clear a 14 this week t b h
mighty smelt
These keys will be the hardest we'll ever have anyway is my thinking
open monolith
I literally had 15 mobs on me at one time in Ardenweald area of DOS on my +9 clear because I accidentally pulled the whole fucking zone somehow, but we got through it with nobody dying
Because I wasn't dumb enough to sit there and try to tank them all
astral crystal
i run with a DK who nonstop complains when i move 5 yards
open monolith
And that's in a pug
astral crystal
MUH DND
craggy harness
ssometimes you have to leave those you love behind
astral crystal
lol
strong forum
i felt fine in the +8 i did
i didnt have a lot of time to do keys
did +6 NW and +8 Plaguefall
open monolith
Yep.
strong forum
felt fine
mighty smelt
Wake is a joke with the spears
astral crystal
did you guys notice they patched the NW skip?
mighty smelt
Boss 1/2/3 just melt with spears
open monolith
No?
lusty marsh
Which one?
open monolith
What nw skip
strong forum
you dont use spear on bosses
astral crystal
the two seater mount skip
lusty marsh
I skipped tons last night
open monolith
Well I don't know anything about that skip, I only skip the mini boss with mind soothe
twin comet
thunderlord or unbreakable will? i was about to craft thunderlord and the unbreakable will dropped
astral crystal
after bridge you sit on ledge while a person with invis pot tirggers the event, then that person mounts on a 2 seater and you jump through the ledge
mighty smelt
you dont use spear on bosses
Any reason why not? There wasn't really a dangerous add that I could think to use them on
astral crystal
they made it so you can't mount in that area now
vocal bison
you dont use spear on bosses
Is there a better spot? Been saving them to burn the third boss in one phase.
lusty marsh
That skip seems unnecessary
mighty smelt
Yeah bosses seem the most logical, maybe the mini caster boss?
strong forum
1st spear you use in omega pull
before 1st boss
2nd spear you use for the necro caster before 2nd boss
3rd spear you use for omega pull upstairs
where you pull like 3 packs
and blow them up
lusty marsh
Those are big boy pulls.
mighty smelt
Right so not something my group would be doing atm anyway
strong forum
ofc
lusty marsh
I'm a baby prot war
lusty marsh
That seems insane. I assume major kiting.
vocal bison
what classes for dps are you running with to pump aoe for those?
some seem like they would be gimped for pulls that size to burn down quickly
tardy parcel
That's what I was about to ask lol.
astral crystal
boomy aint scuffed when you doing big pulls
lusty marsh
I've been spearing the big dude before the 4 casters and orbing on the 4 casters and bringing everything else upstairs.
open monolith
Ele spriest MMhunter for me.
astral crystal
starfall is 100% busted
vocal bison
nice
strong forum
boomy and mage was inbetween
mighty smelt
ele, boomy frostmage
Yeah that's a good group overall lots of cc/damage
strong forum
its aight
open monolith
anyone know how, on wago.io/mdt, you go down a level on the map if you change areas
i want to add arrows and stuff but now i can't go back
strong forum
top left
vocal bison
my dps right now is destro, subtlety and windwalker, haha, swap one with ret at any time
open monolith
ty
lusty marsh
My group was restoD bm ret and frost mage
vocal bison
see ya
quaint fjord
hello, the legendary thunderclap (mostly for mythic) is it best to do haste + crit or haste + versatility ?
lusty marsh
Random guildies I got in a ragtag group
vocal bison
haste + vers
quaint fjord
haste + vers
ok thanks dude
vocal bison
np
open monolith
aight if anyone wants a NW route
i have the one i used yesterday
felt super clean.
vocal bison
I'll take it
open monolith
It probably looks like shit since i've never used MDT before
vocal bison
working right now, but will take a look when I get done - appreciate it! Always down to see how others are killing it.
mighty smelt
Are you guys finding Thunderlord is worth it? Still holding onto craft something
mighty smelt
Interesting, might just craft a rank 1 and bite the bullet
Was waiting for the wall
wheat oak
Is there a place to sim conduits?
wheat sleet
Was lucky enough to get the wall in my first raid
@wheat oak You can sim with conduits on the raidbots website if that's what you're asking https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear
prisma gorge
is 2 to 2.5K dps taken from bosses on normal a lot with 175ilvl?
still pagoda
aight if anyone wants a NW route
Can you link it?
open monolith
Link what
Oh the route
I only know how to copy the export string if you want that
Sorry I'm not super experienced with it
wheat oak
hmmm... not seeing where to sim conduits on raidbots. I'm trying to figure out which I should run for the newly unlocked endurance conduit.... 184 Brutal Vitality or 184 fueled by violence.... any thoughts?
open monolith
Fueld by violence Mechete
Everything is tuned in such a way that you're ignoring pain gets removed almost instantly
torn gulch
i know i am doing something wrong but i do not know what
open monolith
You'll get virtually no benefit out of brutal vitality
wheat oak
Oh?
open monolith
@torn gulch You're playing the most difficult tank in the game right now that is extremely punishing
You very likely are doing something wrong, smile
torn gulch
i compared the logs form prot warriors in m+
open monolith
One thing to keep in mind is that this expansion seems tuned pretty high, so don't expect to just face tank plus sevens and eights super easily
torn gulch
to what i am doing
open monolith
If you're not ending a dungeon run with more than 15 interrupts per person, that's problem number one
torn gulch
last dungeon second on intrerupts was a mage
open monolith
Problem number two is probably proper rage usage with IP / SB
And just knowing when you have to fucking run
torn gulch
with hunter and another warrior under
kekw
yea kiting seems a much bigger thing this xpac
open monolith
The best way to run m+ is stack the fuck out of shamans
God I love them so much right now
sick sentinel
Just got a 194 viscera of coalesced hatred with leech. Is that any good?
open monolith
I don't know what that is
civic rover
if it has haste on it thats giga good
sick sentinel
That one isnt haste. I have the 184 teinket with the haste pool that spawns and the 3 min stat.
barren anvil
Guys prot warrior doing rly fine on m+ atm
im very unlucky with drops atm but im 185ilvl and doing +9's quite ez to sustain
sometimes we just gotta kite hard some packs
but thunderclap doin the job
vocal bison
is +6 the highest chest reward this week?
I'm pretty sure it's +10
oh my bad + 10 is the highest end of dungeon this week at 203
the end of week is +14
twin comet
@barren anvil are you using ravager?
wide zodiac
Just done 3 Nathria bosses on Normal and man, I need more haste 😂
barren anvil
I was using Ravager + Bolster. But I switched to UF+AM since I have Thunderlord and it works better. You use clap every 2 seconds maintaining aggro which sometimes but very rarely is a problem when things get messy and your dpses go crazy and wont give u much time to build up agro. Constants claps help kiting and bigger aoe+dmg is good. I go this build because i can use way often Demo which helpes me with survival. I use demo almost every pack in dungeon because of that
Ravager is great but i dont see any diffrence in my total dmg at the end playing with it and without it.
twin comet
I'll give that a shot tonight. I just crafted thunderlords
barren anvil
UF gives nice damage anyways and u just demo all the time. I think Bolster will be a must in higher keys
wide zodiac
Guys whens the best time to use Last Stand and our other defensive? Just when we are low on health or before big damage or?
barren anvil
I just pop it when I need survival
vocal bison
Guys whens the best time to use Last Stand and our other defensive? Just when w...
you want it to be part of your block rotation, don't want to use it reactively if you can avoid it
last stand specifically
tardy parcel
last stand specifically if you're running bolster
vocal bison
good point, i guess that's an assumption there
wide zodiac
So just use it whenever its on cool down? With bolster?
And should I have both shield block up and IP at the same time, rotate from one to the other or?
Sorry for all questions
steel mauve
shield block is your main mit, use it when actively tanking blockable damage, using IP as a damage smoother, if you use bolster the best wayt i still believe to use it is when shield block has a bigger down time, i havent looked much at bolster yet until i start in m+ but during bfa it was 3X shield block > last stand > 3X shield block
wide zodiac
shield block is your main mit, use it when actively tanking blockable damage, us...
That's really helpful, ty!
heavy pelican
did first 7 nathria bosses on normal and felt decent, stuff hits hard sometimes
183 ilv start
wide zodiac
I'm just struggling with dps in Nathria atm, my parses are so slow but only at 8% haste 😩
heavy pelican
i was tanking with a dh so im afraid to even look at dps numbers
atleast i took 30% less dmg than him on bosses
wide zodiac
Haha nice! I was tanking with a DK so his damage and healing were mad
steel mauve
8% haste sounds painful
torn gulch
it is painfull
wide zodiac
I had UF on instead of Into The Fray which may have been a mistake...
wide zodiac
So for raiding, ItF would be okay over UF?
wide zodiac
Okay cool and what about AM vs Bolster?
heavy pelican
probably gonna always run bolster for raid and m+ for a while
steel mauve
am for lower keys/m0, bolster for more difficult content, AM is more offensive but bolster is more defensive value
heavy pelican
^
steel mauve
since they took last stand off am and put bolster on the same tier as AM
sick sentinel
which slot for The Wall?
steel mauve
shoulder
open monolith
Anyone notice the tentacles in plaguefall hit boxes being real fucky since the maintenance?
I had this exact same experience during my +7
formal river
I dont know why everyone isnt making reverberations instead. Yeah I die five time an m+ but my dps is epic
vocal bison
Anyone notice the tentacles in plaguefall hit boxes being real fucky since the m...
100% this - people ended up needing to back up a bit from the edge of the goop, because even if you were between tentacles the hit box was a bit screwy, backing up 5-7 yards made it less screwy
but i ran it on a +6 last night and people were dying to a messed up hitbox
open monolith
Glad it's not just me
sick sentinel
what is the cap on Soul Ash this week?
torn gulch
i have 2740
ocean kayak
is everyone making the wall or waiting to see if itll get nerfed?
steel mauve
im behind on it but once i can ill probably make thunderlords
acoustic stratus
socks i dunno how you did DOS, the first pack deleted me
and this was only a +6
restive flax
if you know 100% how much trash to kill yes
restive flax
which ones are those?
acoustic stratus
the ones in ardenweald
acoustic stratus
yeah
restive flax
really?
acoustic stratus
they get a stacking buff for their peck
restive flax
no idea man. but we had an unholy dk
his dps was insane
but in general if something deals to much damage... just leap away
or cc them
acoustic stratus
well yeah
acoustic stratus
are you using a leggo
restive flax
Menace with the conduit that makes them take more damage to get out of the fear works basically like a stun
im using thunderman
acoustic stratus
do you feel it actually doing something
acoustic stratus
yeah i might just have to craft it
restive flax
-> meaning more Rage -> more damage -> more mitigation
acoustic stratus
you using a 190 or the above
restive flax
just 190
had no real issues so far
but in all seriousness
if your dps is trash you just cant tank certain packs for long
I did a +5 Necrotic Wake and... doing big pulls up there is a mistake if your dps is not killing the abominations....
They just stack up their tenderize on you until you die
but if you do have nice dps its a cakewalk
opal current
Guys, i need some help here. This may sound like the most basic question, but what are prot defensives? DBM tells me "Defensive!" and i dont know if I should use SB, IP, or SW, im really confused with this one
forest fern
well its prot, so there's half a dozen defensives 🙂
restive flax
if DBM tells you that you need a defensive it just means that you have a high damage ability incoming. Depending on what it is you need different defensives
ripe seal
I have the Thunderlord, Unbreakable Will and The Wall legendary, I'm a bit torn on which one to use. I'm not really feeling Unbreakable Will since my raid roster has a decent amount of raid CDs available, I'm leaning more towards making a Rank 2 Thunderlord. Is there a reason as to why I shouldn't make It?
forest fern
dbm is not class specific so its just going to ask for a defensive cause some classes have few its an easy choice
acoustic stratus
yknow the more i do m+ the more i think ancient aftershock might be better than spear
forest fern
basically defensive means, not active mitigation, something bigger than that
restive flax
@opal current check the pinned reflectguide to see which ability can be blocked / reflected
because defensive =/= defensive you need
You kinda need some upfront knowledge to know which ability to use for which incoming boss ability
the reflect guide alone tells you a lot of the things you need to know
what damage type? is it blockable? can I reflect it?
Some usual tank shredder abilities can be outright ignored with reflect
theater of pain endboss: reaping scythe -> can be completely reflected back onto the boss
de other side: hakkars piercing barb -> physical portion can be blocked and magical portion deflected
information like these make your life as a protwarrior a lot easier
woeful harbor
thunderlord is the best for mythic now ?
cinder nova
I feel so starved for rage and haste
bronze gull
hey all! Im mizzie. Just came back to WoW this xpac after a very long hiatus. Looking forward to being able to relearn my class since a lot has changed since my last time raiding XD
limpid pawn
wild sandal
how hard will it be to catch up if i go from venthyr to kyrian, as i left kyrian before for venthyr and now i want to go back
lavish oracle
2 weeks of quests and some renown catch up afaik
bronze gull
I believe there is a "catch up" mecahanism in place now to assist you with that.
"If you wish to rejoin a covenant you have been part of previously, you will keep all the progress you made with that covenant before. However, before being allowed to rejoin, you will be required to regain their trust."
wild sandal
thank you Mizzie , god bless
ornate magnet
just resubbed. is prot really that bad? or people just overreacting?
sick sentinel
i have some kind of legendary to turn in, but i did torghast stuff 2 times and wont let me still
lean frigate
Is anyone else having issues with threat generation in raid or mythics ?
sick sentinel
should start any pull potion avatar, charge, defensives, ravager, rotation
thats the thing i got
wanton minnow
[Decanter of Anima-charged winds] or [Anima Field Emitter] for M+?
fickle urchin
prot is great for torgast. '
worldly kiln
anyone else struggling with aggro?
little herald
Looking at some logs, top warrior is using Into the Fray in Heroic Nathria
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/279932?mode=detailed&zone=26#metric=dps&partition=1&boss=2402
limpid pawn
yeah, into the fray the best raiding talent on that row IMO
i thought most people took it for raids
steel mauve
itf is the better single target talent in that row, any form of aoe and the other 2 will win out
cinder nova
Are we sure that the reflect guide is up-to-date? I keep SRing the effects that are listed as being able to damage the boss and none of my logging seems to track it in any way.
steel mauve
and no, aggro hasnt really been an issue outside of a few very rare occasions but thats been me pulling poorly and with nothing able to be used
open monolith
So since I pugged most of these bosses before they were nerfed, does that mean I have big pp?
granite cloud
yo what item level would you say is appropiate for mythic 0
steel mauve
Mythic 0 can be done at 130
I started them at 140 after getting a few crafted items and some wqs done
steel mauve
Just try to get healers than can outheal you 😉
ocean yoke
the wall feels real nice
granite cloud
if i want to raid with my guild i need to become the raid leader essentially idk if i want that burden :/
cursive vessel
wow Nurfed still exsists?
i remember back in the day there used to be an addon called Nurfed UI
wheat sleet
Crafted my wall earlier
hardy radish
hungering destroyer is eating my ass 🙂
chrome kraken
Crafted my wall earlier <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
is it a guaranteed drop?
ornate magnet
probably a silly question. since i just resubbed, does that mean im behind when comes to my renown? or is there a catch up to current week type system?
blissful imp
you will catch up very fast
you can get renown badges for almost anything when you are behind
ornate magnet
cool cool, thank you!
wheat sleet
damn didnt know it was guaranteed, cool
slow warren
as an arms offspec with signet, is ravager usable in dungeons?
slow warren
wait ravager is actually GOOD?
sweet summit
Ye ravager owns
slow warren
even with thunderlord?
sweet summit
Yes
slow warren
wow. does ravager still give the 45% parry? i haven't played in a while
sweet summit
No just damage and rage
granite cloud
for the love of god how do people get to mythic 0 without knowing any boss mechanics
granite cloud
you dont understand
west coyote
someone please tell me upgrading my thunderlord’s stompers to 210 for M+ wasnt a bad idea
granite cloud
someone genuinly now after the 15th attempt put in the bright idea that they need to dps the adds
west coyote
so whats stat priority order for Prot. Should I just listen to IcyVeins?
granite cloud
this isnt even not knowing this dungeons mechanics specifically its like theyve never played a boss fight above normal ragefire chasm ever
sweet summit
Ilvl>>>haste>vers>=crit>mastery
Sim for dps
west coyote
thank you
sharp orbit
My 40% mastery warrior crying in corner: "but me like to damage"
sweet summit
Nothing wrong with 40% mastery 🤷
sharp orbit
Prot ravager doesnt proc signet
did they get rid of it conpletely?
i remember ravager procing bladestorm on beta
that was hilarious
sweet summit
They changed it some time during beta
And someone confirmed it doesnt on live either
A trusted individual or two
sharp orbit
Damn thats just sad.
sweet summit
Wasnt great to begin with. Defo a loss in fun factor tho
sharp orbit
if you are talented into ravager do you know if avatar will proc bs or ravager?
sweet summit
BS pretty sure
sharp orbit
i guess i can live with that tho
sweet summit
You can cast defensives and block while bladestorming so its not instant suicide
sharp orbit
Well i am crafting it tmr so ill see myself
lucid dew
are you guys crafting the wall or thunderlord
sweet summit
Ill do thunderlord first as i dont tank raids
lucid dew
is there ever a scenario where wall is prefarable in mythic plus
sweet summit
Maybe for high coordinated keys where you need the extra cdr to have sw back for big pulls?
lucid dew
ah but def not for low keys right
sharp orbit
do you need shield wall in low keys?
lucid dew
lol
sweet summit
Imean literally anything works in low keys
lucid dew
fair
so if i plan to do 15 keys and heroic raid i should prob do thunderlord first then
sharp orbit
if yoi go heroic rn i would go wall honestly
lucid dew
ya heroic looks more challenging than in the past raids
sharp orbit
idk if its just me stacking mastery/crit but some bosses definitely hurt
sweet summit
Different stat distribution wont make that big of a difference
sharp orbit
plain vapor
sweet summit
Haste vers
hardy radish
we got stuck hard on inerva
sharp orbit
KT?
lusty marsh
Kaelthas
sharp orbit
kt is just about cc
sharp orbit
you can bl it tho
lusty marsh
We had too many adds up during shade phase
fallow mortar
then you have a priority issue
fallow mortar
you can bl it tho
hard to bl twice in the fight
sharp orbit
last one is condemn phase
fallow mortar
what, do we only have to get the second one to 80?
sweet summit
The more damage u do to the shade the more it will heal kt
So if you get 10% kt will heal 10%
sharp orbit
unless ur kyrian