I already feel powerful. If they buff us I will be sayan
#protection
lavish oracle
Yeah, vdh and pally damage nerfs would be the tank balance changes I'd expect, maybe a bear damage buff too
Nah, divine toll slaps too, @formal river
paper orbit
Quick dungeon question, in Mythic Theater of Pain when the adds spawn post-grip, I can usually pick up agro alright, but I sometimes struggle with spread-out adds that spawn like that. Would this be a good case for something like Ravager? Or is this something where I should maybe be more conscious of Heroic Leap / Charge+TC timers to do AoE pickup? (or is it mostly preference and i just need practice?)
formal river
It's a good case for rav sure. But we have the tools to do it without
lavish oracle
Ashen Hallow slaps but on a 4 m CD 😄
paper orbit
👍 sounds good thanks duders
formal river
Esp if you run double time
Just make sure to cascade your dmg abilities
1st add tclap, charge shield bash, leap taunt, etx
fringe marten
what are raiders going with for the second defense conduit we just opened; and what path; the Finesse for Inspiring prescence or still jsut damage?
lavish oracle
One reminder @paper orbit is that heroic leap resets your taunt
If you need to you can taunt leap taunt if it's just one a couple stragglers
lavish oracle
Yeah, it's easy to miss
paper orbit
oh man that's a game changer, see this is why i ask things 😂
open monolith
@paper orbit Challenging shout is a thing o.o
paper orbit
yeah once every 4 minutes 💀
lavish oracle
Yeah, you can also just slam challenging shout if you need to, haha
still pagoda
yeah once every 4 minutes 💀
you can plan your big pulls around the 4 minutes timer
so that your DK's and whatever else can burst
paper orbit
Ah good point, especially for M+ this week ❤️
lavish oracle
Honestly, you should be using them, Perrin, they're huge threat multipliers if nothing else
Sometimes I taunt proactively just so I don't have to worry if a DPS pops off
formal river
I'm in pug life. There are times when I need them off cd
Pro active works for sure but that requires discord usually, lol
lavish oracle
You can also use a cooldown tracker
If you see the mage has combust up, you can be reasonably sure they're gonna pop off, haha
I've been meaning to ask, are threat multipliers additive or multiplicative?
Like if I taunt am I generating 8x threat or 16x threat?
formal river
Way too much work. I can manage pretty well by feel and glancing at meters
lavish oracle
Or does it scale in an even weirder way
formal river
My problem isnt threat usually ad I run heavy crit revenge build
lavish oracle
I've just gotten in the habit from looking at healer cds
honest plinth
My problem isnt threat usually ad I run heavy crit revenge build
your problem will be to stay alive soon 😄
formal river
Now that's something I should do
lavish oracle
Might as well just track everyone's cds and track them when I glance over
formal river
Exactly, lol
My demo is never up
But if I die I can just blame the dps I am ahead of
Ez
civic rover
challenging shout is reserved for when my big daddy unholy dk decides its time to press army
formal river
I'm so confused when I play my unholy. I hit all my buttons and double the second dps although I have no idea what I did.
Like 17 cooldowns before you start bursting wounds.
grave vine
bloodmallet weighting mastery as top dps stats for prot, any thoughts?
open monolith
does ravager snapshot, do I need to avatar first?
lavish oracle
It shouldn't snap shot
They removed snap shotting for every spec but feral in legion iirc
gentle acorn
do we get the double duration flask by just being an alchemist or is there something we've got to do?
lavish oracle
It does scale attack power shrug
formal river
I mean I think I'd like mastery being better for dps. More block
lusty grotto
grave vine
silver trout
welp, no loot from the world boss but i got the fury lego at least 😂
deep steppe
so question
what is the first endurance conduit i should socket?
i just upped my renown to 7
formal river
@grave vine I think I'm reading that wrong because it seems absurd.
Laments terms? If you dont mind
subtle oak
for world boss do you need to be in a raid or can you just hit it?
honest plinth
bloodmallet weighting mastery as top dps stats for prot, any thoughts?
it is top for DPS
we are not about dps in 1st place
formal river
Speak for yourself.
Wtb titanforging to swap all my crit haste to mast haste
Not titan
Whatever that shit was called
Re rolling stats
honest plinth
well you are just memeing nothing more 😄
honest plinth
ill do soon 😄
sick sentinel
any tips for a beginner prot warrior planning on doing nathria tomorrow? 🙂
honest plinth
dont die
restive flax
honestly as a beginner you should look at some of the pinned resources here
"being new at class x" is a super broad topic to cover and its sorta difficult to know where to start because we dont know what or if you struggle with something
As a general rule of thumb though, as a prot warrior you are a proactive tank rather than a reactive one. Knowing what damage is coming in and its type help tremendously
formal river
Biggest thing you have to know for normal raid fights are taunt swaps
Hazel has some good videos on them, as well as icy veins
restive flax
I'm a fan of the ready check pull guides
they have some nice quick notes at the end of the each video
restive flax
Ah I see
Yeah I like those^^
But yeah obviously, if you want to raid Nathria tomorrow you should know the tactics in there.
static orbit
Raid in 2 hours! Prot warrior FTW! Finishing up my weak auras. Super excited for the new content!
restive flax
@sick sentinel is there anything specificly you want to know?
lusty marsh
Is there more nuance to tank swaps than hitting taunt when X mechanic calls for it?
restive flax
I mean
restive flax
At Hungering Destroyer you swap because the boss leeches more life off of any tank with every other hit or so
so you have to swap to prevent that
But I'm not sure what more "nuance" you're looking for in a tank swap
Theres always mechanic X requiring you to swap tank cuz otherwise -> bad
at some bosses you may or may want to predetermin who is tanking what simply due to damage intake
lusty marsh
Gotcha that's what I had thought. I thought someone was saying the guy should learn something more general about tank swapping.
I'm tanking nath for my guild for the first time, just thought maybe there was something I was unaware of.
restive flax
At Altimor for example you may want a tank that can help to top himself off because the spawning add scales with the tanks hp
For tanking the second bear
Or Gargon... whatever it is 😄
The one that spawns the lil ghost man
that runs to Altimor
That doesnt mean that you cant do that as a warrior btw, just depends on your groups dynamic
restive flax
Just become the 🚪
static orbit
That's a little discouraging. We have a Druid as well.
lusty marsh
Sorry, we are walls here. Doors let things through :p
static orbit
I chose warrior because of the mobility and interesting rotation.. but I am already feeling like they are not going to pan out this expansion. I am already getting destroyed on the meters by other tanks (I.e. Monk/Paladin/Druid) unless the AS is up.
and magic damage is rough!
lusty marsh
Dude, it's literally day 1 of raid.
static orbit
haha ok, goooooooood point
lusty marsh
And most of the raid is phys damage
static orbit
I need to take a step back, true true
lusty marsh
With a good sprinkling of shadow
restive flax
I'm not sure if I understand your problem
cinder nova
Think I should just upgrade my Thunderlords to R2 with my current ash or save it for Wall?
restive flax
Destroyed at what meter?
lusty marsh
I'm gonna assume dps.
static orbit
Ya, I am just complaining senselessly. Can't be good at everything! Yes dps
mitigation seems to be pretty good
lusty marsh
I'll be honest I haven't quite gotten a hang of the ST rotation
restive flax
Yeah Warrior got the short end of the dps straw but Protwarr is looking pretty nice to me honestly
lusty marsh
Am I just endlessly fishing for shield slam resets?
static orbit
And lining up the Avatar/AS (or Kyrian) procs
restive flax
Rodarn while youre tanking or offtanking?
cinder nova
I mean
static orbit
What is looking nice about prot warrior to you @restive flax
cinder nova
You can't get wall yet
lusty marsh
Let's go with offtanking.
cinder nova
And you could've gotten Thunderlord's last week
lusty marsh
Single target
cinder nova
Well, that's a lie - you can get wall today.
prisma crane
you can get it today, yes and i waited to get TGV in case i decide to go wall and just go straight to 210
restive flax
What is looking nice about prot warrior to you <@!167033983044026368>
Our physical mitigation is just insanely good and the playstyle just suits me like 10 times better than any other tank. I like to be able to prevent damage rather than coming back from it. Because consistent damage intake is super easy for healers to play around. If you get chunked like crazy your healers wont exactly know if you can heal that back yourself or not ( as a pally for example who doesnt really have good mitigation ).
@lusty marsh in ST you generally do a lot less while not tanking. Simply because you dont get rage or revenge resets because nothing is hitting you.
You pool rage for whenever you have to take over
You can spend your SB charges for more damage but only if youre going to have 2 or almost 2 charges of SB up when you have to take over
To prevent rage capping you can use revenge or IP if youre passively taking damage
@static orbit Knowing when damage hits you and preparing for it rewards you a lot as prot and I like that 😄
static orbit
Absolutely agree!! I like the challenge A LOT more than just timing heals.
restive flax
Heals can only do that much... if you take the same damage you just healed within that one global because your mitigation isnt great you dont really gain much^^
slate escarp
prot feels like one of the better tanks in m+, and in raiding he's still fine since you still want a warrior for ap buff as the dps specs are extremely underwhelming atm
restive flax
One thing I personally struggle with sometimes is aoe aggro. But thats mostly due to DPS players being unable to wait 1 second
prisma crane
use snap threat abilities and swap targets often
static orbit
ya.. adds to the challenge. If we could just get a slightly lower CS CD lol
prisma crane
im 90% sure aoe is a problem because most of our abilities do reduced dmg and therefore threat to additional targets
restive flax
I mean.. I click charge and the DPS is already blasting the pack kind of people 😄
slate escarp
One thing I personally struggle with sometimes is aoe aggro. But thats mostly du...
I normally open up with shockwave shout and revenge just to make sure that doesn't happen
static orbit
ST = Shattering throw? I should be cycling that?
slate escarp
st = single target
static orbit
oh ya, of course lol
lusty marsh
But ofc shatter all shields.
static orbit
need. more. buttons.
restive flax
I normally open up with shockwave shout and revenge just to make sure that doesn...
I dont like to open up with Shockwave because I need / want to be able to bridge moments where I dont have SB ready
to nullify pack damage
slate escarp
@restive flax I can understand that, I guess it depends on the pull, but I'm also night fae so I got a backup anyway
static orbit
ya!
restive flax
Im a skullman so I dont have any ability to generate threat 😄
slate escarp
if i have aa up, I'll use it over shockwave for opener
lusty marsh
aa?
slate escarp
ancient aftershock
restive flax
the night fae ability
lusty marsh
Ahh
Yeah I'm constantly dropping spear and ravager, and with challenge to fill the gaps I've had no aggro issues so far.
open monolith
ragemote + execute at any % for 100% more damage = fun
restive flax
That is the only circumstance where I wouldnt be pissed at ragemote
lusty marsh
I've never seen any% execute yet
restive flax
that shit is so funny
you have to execute 30 mobs to get it I think
after picking up the anima power ofc
lusty marsh
I don't mind remote because it basically means neigh invulnerability.
restive flax
Not really
lusty marsh
Wait there are conditionals to fulfil in torghast?
restive flax
it means you dont procc AM or indom
for certain powers yeah
got one from a rare today that was like "the next 3 elites you touch loose 50% of their health immediately. After those 3 elite mobs have been touched you gain +30% max hp"
lusty marsh
Ah I didn't realize rage mote stopped indomitable.
cinder nova
Remote?
restive flax
the anima power that makes your abilities cost no rage
cinder nova
You mean RAGEMOTE?
lusty marsh
Yeah, maybe I'd have noticed if I ran AM instead of ravager
lusty marsh
Err bolster
restive flax
theres just very little benefit in it usually
in Torghast you have so much rage anyways
lusty marsh
Do we know how likely it is to get a leg drop from raid?
formal river
I end up getting ragemote every final boss cause condemn is doing 20k by that, lol
restive flax
I mean. I Oneshot the last boss with 10.000% more shattering throw damage and the +200% more damage after heroic leap 
That one throw did 780k damage
formal river
Well
That works
I think my new theorycrafting is going to be the old man build. No haste, pure mastery and crit for block/parry dropping devastator for punish
I'll call it the low APM
last cave
The AFK tnak
formal river
The "please interrupt magic damage or I die" tank
Or the jousting build! Run in for 1gcd hamstring get out
Nullify haste
I'm theorycrafting because I have two more clients and cannot play until then you bastarda
Bastards
raven dove
i'm nf, so I just get +after shock damage and rage, and get auto attacks have a chance to after shock
everything blows up
idle ermine
So new talents for raiding are bolster and itf?
latent tusk
if i dont have my leggy and am making my first one, can i craft it on these 235 ilvl ones or do i need tos tart with a 190ilvl feet
sick sentinel
Are the PvP trinkets good for tanking?
graceful sundial
Guys whats a cheap tank food ?
Feast of Gluttonous Hedonism is 5k per atm on ah
little herald
if i dont have my leggy and am making my first one, can i craft it on these 235 ...
The 190 one costs 1200 soul ash, the 210 one costs 2000 soul ash, etc
If you make the 190 one for 1200 SA, you can upgrade it to the 210 one for 800 more SA (2000 total)
but you have to get another armor for the upgrade
so skipping a level really only saves you gold, not soul ash
little herald
Hearth of Azeroth better than most heroic (i171) necks, but the M0 necks are generally better
worthy ingot
Good luck in your raids tonight boys
astral crystal
tfw no guild
pastel sleet
barghast's leash.... seems dumb
open monolith
jesus this mawsworn area of torghast is awful
so god damned long
so much trash
so much hp
still pagoda
tfw no guild [2]
dapper cosmos
Is there a generic gearing guide for protection? Just hit 60 on my first character and still need to finish out the last covenant story. Just wanted to start keeping an eye out on gear
formal river
Ilvl>haste>verse is what all the guides say
onyx matrix
+1
dapper cosmos
Oh ok so don’t farm for specific gear just get that ilvl up
formal river
Initially yeah. Same ilvl look for haste vers
dapper cosmos
Ok cool, what are the current brackets looking like? Like when should I move to heroic then move to mythic
Last time I played was in legion and I mainly just LFRd
steel mauve
dapper cosmos
Since I don’t have a guild yet and still have a lot to learn what is a good starting point would you say? I’m currently around 114 I believe
Nvm I’m 131, using a weapon I found while running mythic siege before I logged last night https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/turalyon/seli
open monolith
my god level 6 of the mawsorn area is cancer
ridiculous amounts of health on everything and they all have the stacking buff shit the bosses do
broken stratus
With signet, in avatar, using ravager, will it have the potential to add to avatar duration?
Or will it just overide
open monolith
Coldheart interstitial is REALLY hard with 2 people if you get 0 damage upgrades the entire time on both people.
sharp orbit
With signet, in avatar, using ravager, will it have the potential to add to avat...
+1 also interested and not sure how it works
novel willow
is thunderlord probably still going to be da bess for m+ even after they do tuning?
open monolith
Yeah man. want me to give you the winning lottery numbers, too?
still pagoda
Coldheart interstitial is REALLY hard with 2 people if you get 0 damage upgrades...
So it is basically "pray for rng"
Soulforges will probably be really easy no matter the layer
open monolith
I mean, we completed it. But the boss had so much damage he was meleeing me for 20% hp per swing by the end
still pagoda
Just stack all the soul remnants into armaments and blast through
open monolith
And the all mobs have 25-40% more hp suuuuuucks
I'll have to solo that wing next time
That wing isn't carryable
Too much hp
lavish oracle
Wait, all the way up to floor 6 is open this week? Damn, that's a big jump
Layer 6*
open monolith
Yeah. I did both sides with a hunter friend
Left side: easy af
Middle: pure cancer
dense pivot
open monolith
what level key?
pallid holly
Like a 4, I'm abnormally squishy here
open monolith
I mean, have you considered perhaps that you, my good sir, just need to git gud 🙂
pallid holly
🙂
pallid holly
Anyone else doin keys rn? whats your experience on it
turbid cargo
+2'd a 5 mists without much trouble
open monolith
I'm doing my first m0
turbid cargo
feels solid overall
frosty scarab
holy fuck mythic+ beats the shit out of me
I feel this needs some clarification, like ilvl / talents etc.
open monolith
started off by doing torghast
frosty scarab
I wish i would be able to run m+ already but eu player so 😋
open monolith
I'll let you know after i do a +4 😮
pallid holly
I'm sure it'll even out over a few runs
frosty scarab
Raider.io leaderboards are basically: vdh / brm and just a few warriors / paladins / bears. All the way up to lvl 12 keys.
turbid cargo
12 key sounds like complete cancer atm
pastel sleet
is the leash trinket worth equipping over the 184 pvp haste trinket?
frosty scarab
12 key sounds like complete cancer atm
Yeah, would think so too. But they seem to be doing "fine" a +13 +1 just showed up from them
turbid cargo
nice
balmy narwhal
Is it worth to craft my memory of thunderlord legendary for m+?
or should I just wait
open monolith
jesus
just had to leave a m0
i had 75% of the total healing done
the monk literally only cast soothing mist the entire time. I don't even
twin comet
is anyone else having huge world server ping spikes in the raid?
worthy ingot
Darkvein slaps
rugged scarab
This may have been talked about already, but with signet of tormented kings getting a slight buff is it worth considering for prot?
sick sentinel
Kinda late but +3d a 5 Sloppy, no problems yet.
open monolith
aight so plaguefall is easy
i got to 100% before dropping to the boss by pulling extra shit becaseu I'm omega paranoid
cinder nova
@ionic fern I don't think it's Darkvein's debuffs are reflectable anymore, only deflected. Unless for some reason it doesn't log it, I reflected two inour last pull and it didn't deal damage or apply a debuff.
open monolith
171 Brutal Bitality or 184 Fueled by Violence 😮
pure sun
For any prot worried, the legendary from hungering destroyer drops 100%, was worried originally but no need ^^
pastel sleet
i love brutal vitality
lavish oracle
How much value does it have once IP is getting eaten in 1 hit, though
pastel sleet
less i reckon... but still better
hardy radish
so we definitely don't run ravager with thunderlord's, right?
dense salmon
hows prot warrior
frosty scarab
What builds are people running for their M+ runs atm and how do they feel? Raider.io leaderboard shows some Ravager / Bolster warriors and a chunk of them play UF / AM. Still a bit in doubt what to do myself, played both setups in m0s and both felt good to play with. Albeit ravager sparked more "joy" in the gameplay😂
sick sentinel
okay, so if i get the other dps str trinket
which one is really worse, because these are both really bad ones i have equipped
little herald
Tanking trinkets are all pretty bad. raw stats might be best if you feel squishy, dps ones if you want to go faster
sick sentinel
the trinkets wasn't fully by choice
wasn't fully aware there was another str one
and the rock just happened, and was best ilvl
chilly brook
Tanking trinkets are all pretty bad. raw stats might be best if you feel squish...
Not all, most
Scale for example is really good
chilly brook
It's not far behind DPS trinkets of same ilvl, literally talking 16 dps
chilly brook
And it's a good absorb
little herald
Get Simc addon, export your character, import it here and run: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear
Then try to get scale 🙂
sick sentinel
best gear isn't my main issue
not doing correct rotation is my issue then i lose dps and threat and panic
little herald
Both the ones you have are bad. the 50% slow is a showstopper for me, and the Darkmoon one's shields are eaten in about 1 second
static orbit
My casual normal run is at sunstrider
coral chasm
How were you guys feelin tankin today, did a couple +2s and 3s and felt like i was getting demolished sometimes by caster packs
sick sentinel
i've only done heroics at the moment, but hoping those trinkets will last me until low mythics
or well, till next thing drops
twin sable
I did a plus 3. Not bad. Felt like I could get chunked. But trying pally tomorrow. Can wait to see how braindead that will be
It was necrotic wake
Im 181 ilvl
sleek sun
185 ilvl and cleared a +5 so far. Only problem was freaking necrotic bolts. Had little to no trouble otherwise. Group I was with I would even say was a bit undeegeared, maybe 177 ilvl average.
Got some 194 pants, pretty hype
hardy fractal
i just did a +4 mists at 179 ilvl and got +2 i think i was 1% off overall dmg from the top
digital nova
everyone doing mythics running bolster/rav?
I'm new to that playstyle, how is everyone timing cooldowns?
little herald
You can compare them here: https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/PR_Raid.html
Warrior is decent and has a pretty flat incoming damage curve
fringe marten
killed huntsman with 28 people in heroic, at 182 ilevel =\ that was a rough tank; but fun.
chilly brook
Definitely think I'm gonna push my RL to let me just play warrior
open monolith
nice Zebra
chilly brook
Blood is a struggle
open monolith
I'm at 19% haste 😄
quiet sandal
ye figured
astral crystal
Definitely think I'm gonna push my RL to let me just play warrior
what happened to the pally dream?
sick sentinel
safe to drop bfa only BS for mining to lvl engineer? or lvl something else with mining
sweet summit
Unless u wanna try to make some gold from BS by crafting the base legendary items and selling on AH
worthy ingot
when you beat the #1 shriekmaw by 200dps but the RL's logs were corrupted REEEEEEE
shut zealot
is show of force worth slotting at all if not concerned about death?
next TC seems so weak
north rampart
has the legendary drop rate been buffed?
brazen path
Does Shattering Throw warrant a keybind for Prot? Only thing I can think of is on the pull and thats it.
turbid cargo
it's decent for breaking shields in a few dungeons
brazen path
Anything besides Necrotic Wake last boss?
brazen path
hmm ok
north rampart
it is satisfying smashing a shield with it
sweet summit
is show of force worth slotting at all if not concerned about death?
Imean its more damage yeah, guessing you play venthyr or something?
shut zealot
yea
sweet summit
has the legendary drop rate been buffed?
M+ has increased chance compared to m0
shut zealot
just tanking easy invite keys, not worried about death so figured i'd run with dmg
sweet summit
Ye we generally have weak potency ones if you arent Kyrian/NF so id go for that or ashen jugg if youre feeling spicy
visual gull
what piece should i combine the wall legendary with?
honest plinth
Shoulders
cerulean quest
What time is the reset?
real canyon
should take wall over thunderlord?
open monolith
hmm
so the vault is confusing
i've done 5 keys, 7 at highest, a few 5s, and a 2
but it says I can choose between a 7 and a 2
why not a 7 and a 5?
smoky wave
It chooses your 5th highest key for the second loot option iirc. So if you did (7),5,5,2,(2) you'd get the ones in brackets. You'd need another two 5s in that example to push it to a 5
cerulean quest
Yeah I think 4th highest
But yeah
1 mythic = your highest
4 mythics = your 4th highest (maybe 5th)
Etc
It’s to stop you doing 1 10, then 13 2s and get 3 choices of a 10 loot piece 🙂
dusty gate
How are you guys feeling in the raid?
granite cloud
I can't get geared for the raid because heroics keep dropping me loot that I already have or nothing
barren anvil
guys if i got new leggo Thunderlord then isnt it better to change from Ravager into UF and Bolster into AM?
cerulean quest
For perfect sync I think so. But I’m not drooling ravanger
Too much fun
And helps a lot with aggro in bigger packs
shy blaze
ravager is boring af. idk whats the hype about
nothing beats the crackling thunderous sound of thunder clap
never gets old, feels powerful tbh
hexed sage
Did we get any nerfs/buffs? Was there any changes for us?
cerulean quest
Spear + ravanger = 😎
eager iron
So it seems like +7 is my limit. At current gear levels things just take too long to kill for my group. Is this what others are experiencing as well?
cerulean quest
What’s your ilvl dude?
eager iron
186
cerulean quest
And what numbers are your dps putting out ?
hasty quest
eager iron
2.5 - 2k dps
cerulean quest
Ok cool
7 seems very good tbh. I’ve not tried yet but
Won’t be doing 7s in time
open monolith
I agree +7 was rough but doable
we did a +7 in time
barely
and that was a pug 😮
i don't think im goin above 7 anytime soon
cerulean quest
I guess pugs in the night are all pretty serious
open monolith
naw man, just gotta be selective
i've had a couple SUPER shitty groups already
like out DPSing frost mages in overall damage, etc
cerulean quest
Haha i know the feels
strong forum
never gets old, feels powerful tbh
May feel powerful to you, but dmg meter and rage gen disagrees
strong forum
guys if i got new leggo Thunderlord then isnt it better to change from Ravager i...
There's an obv synergy there yes, but on situations where you actually need uptime on Block and defensives, rav+bolster is just miles ahead.
For low keys and parsing AM is defo the play
digital nova
what ilvl sock? I'll probably dive into mythic + tomorrow
digital nova
chonk
open monolith
aight imma try +9 dos
i can't tell if Mists is super easy
or that healer was boss af
but that +7 was MUCH easier than 7 plaguefall
young oasis
World boss Piercing Verdict conduit isnt 100% drop?
fallow mortar
sssaaaaammmmmmmeeeeee
open gazelle
jesus the raid is hard, even on normal mode
might be best to wait until u get gear from m+ to do the raid later on in the week
prisma gorge
are they real? TGV 2%? 😄
prisma gorge
how can non warriors drop warrior legends?
mellow patio
They can’t
That’s why the number is wrong
2% of all people who loot anything off the boss get TGV
2% of all people who report it
slim garden
are u thinking of Bolster / HR / AM for the raid?
still pagoda
Bolster. You need maximum control over your effective uptime
slim garden
and maby in to the frey? i got 19% Haste without it
honest plinth
yes itf/bolser
slim garden
👌 ty
prisma gorge
i heard raid legos have 100% drop, is that true?
fallow mortar
do you guys know of a site that is able to look up which individual is doing the best in a certain class spec for mythic+ by region?
fallow mortar
ty 😮
prisma gorge
<https://www.wowhead.com/news=319772/castle-nathria-legendary-power-droprate-is-...
cool thanks, should i craft The wall then, if i wont drop TGV by that time?
slim garden
cool thanks, should i craft The wall then, if i wont drop TGV by that time?
i would
prisma gorge
keystones out already?
fallow mortar
came out today
open monolith
lol we had like 15 seconds left
oh man what a clencher
and i accidentally somehow pulled like 12 mobs in the ardenweald zone at once
easy
that was intense. I'm loving warrior
cerulean quest
Aye sock well played dude that’s impressive stuff
open monolith
AM is great for pumping
quiet cape
thanks sock i'll try that tonight, well played!
open monolith
but it's not gonna help you live longer.
Bolster saved my ass more times than I can count already in 7s and 9s
well, that one 9
honest plinth
you are not using it to save your ass as panic button btw
honest plinth
nice
still pagoda
just as it should be
open monolith
oh what's that? Both my SB charges are gone
haha bolster goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
oh and if anyone is wondering, you can easily 1 cycle mueh'zala on+9 (non-tyrannical) even at these gear levels
honest plinth
the game starts after + 10 when you should plan your route for buffs
sick sentinel
tf does tgv stand for
open monolith
That was fun.
This was a good day of m+
Always feels nice when you get a solid pug group together
jagged pier
your all just lucky to play stop complaining
open monolith
lol
I made friends today
with a really solid spriest and elemental shammy
so now I have 3 dps I can bring to my groups
ebon jasper
average 2 k dps? Man that's a good pug
honest plinth
are you sure ? haha
still pagoda
Simply because of prideful
abusing 4th affix again
well, "abusing" is a harsh word for this
prisma gorge
F*CK YEAH 3 mythics, 15ish heroics, 40ish normals.
fallow mortar
noice!
digital nova
I feel bad, i got that as literally the first drop in the first mythic
i honestly thought it was just a 100% drop
honest plinth
maybe you did your 1st run after hotfix? 😄
prisma gorge
can i get like twice missive of haste on lego or must be different?
jagged pier
have to be different
ebon jasper
Nice. piercing verdict 200
honest plinth
waht a lucky man. i got 71 gold 😄
prisma gorge
with TGV you go for bolster or AM for m+s?
urban phoenix
does anyone have a pawn profile for prot? 🙂 The default one isn't 100% correct
strong forum
with TGV you go for bolster or AM for m+s?
You play AM in low keys
Bolster in actual content no matter what
prisma gorge
ty
honest plinth
does anyone have a pawn profile for prot? 🙂 The default one isn't 100% correct
i dont think you should use it at all
strong forum
Pawn isn't good to use
Just follow ilvl>haste >vers=crit>mastery
For damage you just sim
It's really just this simple
jagged pier
mastery sims higher for me 
sweet summit
It does for most people
urban phoenix
ah alright, but what exactly do you mean with ilvl>haste? it's its a ilvl upgrade I should use it even if it doesn't have haste?
urban phoenix
I see, cheers!
sweet summit
Trinkets, rings and neck dont follow this rule 100%
heavy pelican
You play AM in low keys
Bolster in actual content no matter what
Same for raids or only Bolster for "hard hitting" bosses?
sweet summit
If you need the extra sb uptime go bolster. if you dont, go am 👌
heavy pelican
Cheers
sick sentinel
what bosses you think are worth the bolster spec?
sweet summit
Dunno ive heard slidgefist
jagged pier
go to warcraftlogs and have a look at what people are running
shy blaze
silly question but are we any good in wpvp?
jagged pier
for hc at least looks like you want bolster all the time
strong forum
Yeah I wouldn't go into HC rn without bolster
Shit is overtuned atm
And or you're low ilvl
185 is really low for heroic, like insanely low ilvl
fallow mortar
👀 good to know
jagged pier
I think thats good though tbh hc is actually hc again
fallow mortar
Was thinking of going into a heroic, but I guess not
jagged pier
hc shouldnt be puggable imo to start with
my guilds going in probably sunday after normal and a chance for everyone to get m+ gear
they have plebs like me that work XD
fallow mortar
my guilds about to attempt a few bosses on thursday.... I just hope they are able to dodge mechanics XD
jagged pier
this actually makes me excited for mythic tbh, might be too hard even more my guild to clear but i like a challenge instead of a push over
lavish oracle
Does anyone know if threat multipliers are additive or multiplicative? If I use a high threat move does it do x8 threat or x16? (x4 base tank multiplier, x4 high threat mod)
fickle tree
Hi, looking for some opinions: Gloves or feet for Thunderlords?
jagged pier
feet
barren anvil
Is brutal vitality best endurance conduit?
seems really strong in survival
especially week 1 m+ season with fortify on mobs
lavish oracle
When you're upgrading a leggo
Can you swap what slot it's in?
If you purchase a vessel for another slot?
Or can it only be upgraded to the same slot?
heavy pelican
only same slot with same stats you chose
lavish oracle
Okay, that makes sense
heavy pelican
So strict upgrade only from same base
severe swallow
lavish oracle
Ilvl>>>haste>>vers/crit>mastery
nocturne siren
Wo dood, venthyr is top tank in m+ now, crazy dude.
proven herald
has anyone tried the legendary ring for protection warrior ?
honest plinth
Wo dood, venthyr is top tank in m+ now, crazy dude.
you are high af haha
sweet summit
@proven herald signet?
proven herald
yes
sweet summit
Didnt work with our ravager on beta
I havent seen anyone mention if it works on live servers tho
quiet cape
just saw that they'd fixed a internal cd on the effect in the hotfixes
nimble drift
So I started a week behind but I got enough soul ash to make my legendary. Should I make the thunderclap one for mythics this week or save my ash and wait to kill the boss which drops the bis legendary.
nimble drift
I'm leaning towards making my thunderclap one right away and using it to grind mythics, getting more gear, then going into raid beefed up and hoping The Wall drops and I can craft it next week
spare cobalt
We are gaming boys
nimble drift
Should I make boots or hands for the Thunderlord
west coyote
I went boots
frosty scarab
Boots hold a higher stat budget
west coyote
thinkin bout grading them to 210
nimble drift
what does that mean
twin comet
How much ash do you need for rank 2? I'm gonna be 50 short of 2k this week
lucid geyser
Is Fueled By Violence still as undertuned as Wowhead suggests? 19.5% of Deep Wounds-Damage, wich ist like ~9% of my Damage in m0 so far seems pretty decent.
strong forum
20% of 9% is ~2%
So it's essentially 2% leech
I'd say that's pretty undertuned
:)
nimble drift
Can I make my legendary into a 210 ilvl straight up?
Or does it have to be 190 first
sharp void
Not enough
honest plinth
2k
sharp void
It's about 2k
nimble drift
zzzzzzz so should I wait till next week and make Thunderlord R2? or just make it R1? Or just wait to raid and hope to get the Wall and make that instead?
so many options D:
astral crystal
so apparently SL being the most sold vidya gaym just meant sales were like 3.7 million copies
honest plinth
in 1 day
jolly spindle
is anyone here having troubles keeping agro on mobs
jagged pier
nope
turbid cargo
nope
jolly spindle
sadge i guess im disabled
jagged pier
wwhat cov are you?
what talents are you running?
what are you using to try and keep aggro?
strong forum
Revenge is your offensive rage spender and main dmg button
You actually use it now pretty often, and not just when the proc is up
Alot of people seem to underuse Revenge
ebon swan
Does piercing verdict only drop from the world boss?
or is there another way to get it
void merlin
with DR aggro is insta, with bv build sometimes i loose aggro when the dps goes ham on start of pull
jagged pier
are you not putting down rav first?
strong forum
Does piercing verdict only drop from the world boss?
Calling, WQ or Worldboss
void merlin
not using ravager with bv build for the lego bonus to work better
jagged pier
it has more syngery yes but UF isnt as good as rav even when you have TGV
strong forum
^
jagged pier
Ravager is by far the best talent in the row good aggro good rage good damage low cd
u pop rav then avatar demo
never have a problem
void merlin
ok cool, the talent sounded like it was kind of required with the lego
ebon swan
@strong forum thanks
void merlin
no really fun ones i agree
astral crystal
nah vdh, brew, pally all have good ones
void merlin
the revenge+crackling thunder lego also sucks i presume?
astral crystal
wat
jagged pier
the what leggo?
rare bear
@astral crystal yup pretty mnuch
void merlin
eh
why did i think there was one that increased crackling thunder dmg on revenge use
still pagoda
void merlin
maybe thats a conduit or something
still pagoda
wut
jagged pier
cracking thunder increases the radius of TC and its a talent
ionic fern
Its a conduit
jagged pier
do you mean show of force?
ionic fern
Show of force
void merlin
right
honest plinth
maybe thats a conduit or something
conduit increasing TC damage after revenge
ebon swan
at least we have amazing conduits 
jagged pier
you also dont want that in potency over your covenant one unless your venthyr imo
honest plinth
we will use it later with more renown ofc
jagged pier
for .5% dps increase if you want it sure
jagged pier
maybe personally im probably only gunna run the one potency unless im going for logs then id take all three
woven radish
So after a few m+ damn I'm living tgv... pretty much every major pack
Loving*
Feels so good
hallow smelt
When looking at logs as a tank what are you looking for specifically. I did some tanking last night in normal and we cleared 3 bosses. The other tank was sort of the “main tank”. He is a DH. He did more DPS obviously. I noticed on the logs I did a lot more mitigation than he did.
north rampart
anyone doing a build with the revenge lego? im tempted to go for it if thunder lego doenst drop for me today.
jagged pier
nope because that lego is only worth it in content that doesnt matter
rain dune
How's running Torghast as prot feel? I've been doing it as fury but after running it as guardian on my druid and seeing how easy it was I was hoping to try it on my warrior
jagged pier
really fuking ez
rain dune
Bolster or AM for it?
signal plover
Either
jagged pier
what ever you like
signal plover
You can swap on floors 3/6
rain dune
Oh good call
uneven mason
How's running Torghast as prot feel? I've been doing it as fury but after runni...
Torghast as prot is laughably easy, I pull entire hallways (including several of the "big elites") and just go HAM, depending on what anima powers you get - it goes up from there.
Go AM because damage is > survival in there, you get enough passive healing from VR and the anima powers that the defense just isn't worth it.
formal river
The best is chance to shield wall when IP and then multiplying shield wall length x10
woven radish
One shot the boss on layer 5 last night with doubled revenge pot buff fully stacked to 100 + the 200% charge dmg buff
north rampart
nope because that lego is only worth it in content that doesnt matter
was kinda worried that would be the case, just kinda hoping maybe clearing m+ trash super fast helped with higher keys or something. Think ill wait for the wall/thunderlords then :/
fierce tendon
Got wall last night, pretty good?
sweet summit
Bis in raid
lament crescent
Heya, what is now the go to covenant ? sry just missed the last weeks of discussion
sweet summit
Still kyrian/nf
proven herald
screw that negativity, I need condemn in my life
bronze helm
kyrian is way too good right now with the amount of mobs that decide to just leap at people randomly
i'm just like yoink where you going buddy
hallow phoenix
Kyrian stinky you guys don't even have a giant mushroom god that gives you dailies
Night fae ftw
uneven mason
screw that negativity, I need condemn in my life
yasssss
bronze helm
i heard night fae also don't need level 40 followers to do level 12 adventures
thats another plus
hallow phoenix
sweet summit
Id argue banner is better in m+
formal river
Dont sweet talk me like that I'll join the Maldraxxus boys
They have the best RP
Unless you're a vegan or something
sweet summit
No sir i love meat
lament crescent
As far as I understand are Kyrian/NF pretty much on pair. I just aim to go Prot Warr for Mystic+ and always have my healer with me. Does it really matter much which way I go?
formal river
Considering how much sanctum stuff you'll be doing I'll go with what RP you like more.
Between those two. The others are much less powerful and I say that as a Venthyr
formal river
You mean total prot parses?
astral crystal
ye
formal river
Oh. Well that's disheartening
sweet summit
ye
sweet summit
😳
heavy pelican
solar oar
Is prot warriors just really squish in m+? Feels like they take way more damage than other tanks
sweet summit
if you play it wrong, yeah
flint kelp
i think warriors are pretty shitty in general
sweet summit
its not
opaque hearth
my guild is pretty casual, we had a hard time on the 2nd boss. Was hoping for the Wall last night, but the 2nd boss was our "wall". Anyone get and make the Wall? how is it?
flint kelp
but prot is like the best of the 3 specs
dawn oriole
i've been getting smacked pretty hard as prot in like +8s but I'm not claiming to do it right
uneven mason
Is prot warriors just really squish in m+? Feels like they take way more damage ...
We take considerably less if played right, but it requires thinking ahead and being proactive with all sources of damage.
other tanks are reactive - more or less you can "fix" screwups
THen theres BrM
"Sounds like a Healer problem"
dawn oriole
i was doing de other side and just got melted by the bonestrike
latent tusk
I played it safe and just did 6 m0s but it was super easy! I got my legendary made and got to 183 ilvl woohoo, also got lucky and got 203 bracers from world boss
inner harbor
same, @latent tusk - I did some +4's last night on 183 prot pal, was getting smashed in De Other Side as well
dawn oriole
prot paladin has definitely been more forgiving in my case, but again im relatively new to tanking
latent tusk
I wanted to push keys but we have a 166 shadow priest dps who is a new player so we wanted to get him a little more gear before trying
inner harbor
yeah, I think it goes to @uneven mason point about reactive. on my prot pal, I take an oopsie to the face and WoG is basically a lay on hands
latent tusk
Anyone solo lvl 6 on both sides yet? Is it cake still
dawn oriole
you guys have been going bolster yeah?
inner harbor
i'm finding prot war is def requiring more skill and awareness, nice challenge
@dawn oriole i opted for anger management for more tclaps w/ the leggo
hallow smelt
Got the trinket off huntsman last night - doesn’t feel very impressive to me. Anyone know what it’s good for?
sturdy sable
a shard
inner harbor
the leash? that seems like a dumb trinket lol, what is the use case for tanks?
hallow smelt
The only thing I can think of is in massive damage situation to give healers so relief. Cast it on other tank I guess?
latent tusk
i love the deeps now that i switched to ravager
was running 8k on some pulls last night lol
median badge
ebon hound
h a s t e
dusty gate
Level 6 layers have been cake still as prot
latent tusk
really, cool!
ripe seal
I'm a bit unsure of what type of conduits to run, but this Is what I plan on doing as It seems kinda good, do I have any better options?
latent tusk
what ilvl are u if i may ask
pv better to slot first no? for spear dmg
@ripe seal i think
dusty gate
I’m 185, so maybe a bit high but I definitely could have been lower and been fine
latent tusk
coool, ill try today im 183, ill see if its easy
ripe seal
<@!213429243357429761> i think
You might be right actually
dusty gate
I always buy ragemote if it’s available before the last boss of the layer, ~2 mins of infinite rage makes you invincible for basically the whole fight
chilly brook
@astral crystal well we were gonna run double pally, but some people really questioned it. Then my cotank decided based off hivemind in prepatch that it was a bad idea and that we needed a DK and I decided I didn't want him to abandon his main of like 10 years
dusty gate
Felt like I was getting trucked in the raid but it seems like most classes are saying the same thing. I was just pugging but didn’t expect that difficulty in normal
sweet summit
@ripe seal piercing verdict over SoF
ripe seal
<@!213429243357429761> piercing verdict over SoF
Aye so I went PV and put Brutal Vitality Into the Endurance slot as shown In the pick
sweet summit
ye
ripe seal
Does Ilvl on conduits matter apart from increasing their effectiveness?
sweet summit
no
ripe seal
Gotcha, cheers!
chilly brook
Guys today is the day
south karma
i had to tank cause of a no show.. 178 ilvl and was getting hit hard. found it hard to keep SB up all the time and got punished. we didn't down huntsman.
lusty marsh
So how is everyone's m+ going
formal river
Got a +8 the other side in last night. I'm taking a lot of dmg
But I suppose everyone is
valid kraken
I'm finding that ppl arent sure what needs to be interrupted yet. So I'm taking alot of avoidable dmg too
lusty marsh
Yeah, the blamestorm guys and skeleton trash shred. I've been kiting them a bit.
formal river
Yup
uneven mason
and yeah having a solid stun/interrupt cycle on the trash is very important
formal river
Or bonestorm or w/e that ability is
lusty marsh
I only got up to +4 because my group refused to run plaguefall.
uneven mason
having DPS that know how to snare so you can kite easier is also crucial until gear comes in for pushing past +7s
lusty marsh
So naturally every key we tried to build turned into it.
formal river
Yeah I was literally TC kiting which is barely adequate
uneven mason
I only got up to +4 because my group refused to run plaguefall.
I can't blame them, Plaguefall is officially on my crapkey list
The trash % in plaguefall is idiotic
lusty marsh
Had some trouble with dropping tenderize in necrotic wake
uneven mason
it wants you to kill almost everything, can hardly skip a single pack on the basic path
formal river
I didnt get that yet thankfully
uneven mason
meanwhile Necrotic wake you can basically pull the first area completely, and then suicide skip all of the hard trash b efore 2nd boss.
dense vessel
can't you just run around almost everything when you pass the bridge?
uneven mason
Tyrannical weeks going to need to save spears for the stiches boss
prob largest QoL change
lusty marsh
Suicide skip? Why, after the 2 reavers you can skip everything but 2 mobs and a necro.
Or do you also skip the reavers
uneven mason
just saying you CAN
lusty marsh
Ah
uneven mason
the trash %s seem way off between NW and Plaguefall was my point
NW - big skips are possible can ignore most of the trash
lusty marsh
I haven't done plaguefall yet so I haven't tried to route it
uneven mason
Plaguefall you have to kill like every critter in the damn place
lusty marsh
That's how I felt in da other side. But there is so little trash there to begin with.
uneven mason
got to the last boss and had 49% trash
lusty marsh
Damn
uneven mason
we were like "Wat"
also the "fighting" trash at the end
give almost no %
1 % per pack
formal river
Damn
uneven mason
even though its the big giants and slime goliaths
formal river
So I should pull shit from the sides while going normal route then
Sounds like a delight
uneven mason
I would say, swing right at the entrance, the big giant before first boss patrols on M+
so kill him first
he was right at the entry when we went in walking counter clockwise
then pull everything in the way on the way to the 2nd boss, rather than dropping to the left as soon as you leave the first boss area.
the trash after the drop down is 14% total
open monolith
Plaguefall you need 86% before jumping down
uneven mason
86%
open monolith
Just do a couple extra pulls first area
uneven mason
theres a golem behind and to the right that most people miss
open monolith
I need to make my necrotic wake route on MDT and share it
uneven mason
when you first drop
open monolith
It was perfect 100% and SO EASY
formal river
I'm waiting for all the route videos. Doing it by the seat of my pants is rough when pugging
We missed the timer on +8 other side due to deaths
turbid cargo
I was actually surprised last night how the %s line up for forces. Just flailing through pulling what makes sense we ended up right at 100%. I think halls was the only one I overshot on %
flint kelp
do i still prio raging blow when at 2 stacks, if everything procs?
turbid cargo
flint kelp
oops sorry
formal river
Gotttttem
strong forum
formal river
Nomer was waiting with bated breath
sudden tapir
To be fair, he prob just wanted to escape the negativity lol
sweet summit
dps channels are doomed
formal river
You could go in Marks hunter forums before their nerf and everyone would say they suck.
What erga said
open monolith
According to R.io, i am the 68th best prot warrior in the world.
Please refer to me as Mr. 68 from now on
sharp void
dps channels are doomed
Legit Became the off tank of my guild so I could hang out here :)
strong forum
Happiness is illegal
open monolith
#1 prot warrior on Thrall-NA
Gonna ride this high for the next few months
Despite The fact that that number will probably plummet after a couple of days
I think Fueled By Violence might actually be better than Brutal Vitality. You lose your ignore pain shield so fast in higher keys right now It almost doesn't do anything at all
sweet summit
nah
sharp void
Isn't number fighting a dps thing :o, I though tanks was more about. Nice job tanking the +26 tyranical mate
open monolith
No I mean, you often literally gain no benefit from it
You press ignore pain, a mob hits you and it's gone
So I think more often than not in higher keys at current gear levels, brutal vitality does literally nothing
open monolith
I know. The amount of extra shield you gain from damage is pretty negligible
signal plover
Heroic bosses instantly delete IP atm as well
open monolith
Until we overgear content SIGNIFICANTLY, I'm gonna be using FBV
formal river
Maybe you need condemn in your life.
open monolith
There is a 0% chance i would have cleared that +9 dos with condemn
Spears kiting was clutch more than once
formal river
I cleared +8 with condemn. Just ignore not beating the timer k
open monolith
LOL
I'm going to be clearing my plus 10 simply for completion sake, I really doubt that Will be on time
formal river
It was also like four hours past my bedtime and I'm feeling it at work now.
Damn patch day
still pagoda
I cleared +8 with condemn. Just ignore not beating the timer k
timer is on DPS fucking up
not your fault
formal river
Amen
astral crystal
should we roll Unnerving Focus or Brutal Vit? brutal vit seems really underwhelming so far
uneven mason
migh not be using it right.
young glen
Does the pvp trinket have any value? 79 haste + proc for 117 primary stat
uneven mason
yes
astral crystal
migh not be using it right.
lol
turbid cargo
@young glen I've been using it. Uptime is solid
uneven mason
Its the 2 things we want, static haste and armor (str)
if you can keep upgrading it to keep ilvl relevant its probably not a bad choice.
Hey, Safeguard is its own buff right?
turbid cargo
there's also the conq version, higher ilvl
uneven mason
so a fury can use the safeguard conduit, and the target can cancel aura the intervene buff but keep the DR from Safeguard?
shut summit
yes
open monolith
@astral crystal Brutal Vit in higher keys is pretty worthless right now
in +7 and higher, your ignore pain gets washed away so quickly you gain, often, no benefit from it at all
I'm switching to fueled by violence. It's not a ton of healing, but it is reliable and constant
turbid cargo
I was probably going to swap to stalwart if I can pick up the wall
just go balls deep on shield wall usability
signal plover
Taunt during overwhelm cast on hungering destroyer ;)
open monolith
during the cast?
open monolith
aight
signal plover
He's doing some weird ass double melee plus overwhelm wombo combo
Overwhelm should still hit tank it was cast on
We didn't notice on normal too much but on heroic it clapped
slow warren
does taunt still cause fixate and increased threat for 3sec?
slow warren
the 3s debuff it puts on the target is the 'fixate' right?
assuming the mob respects aggro
honest plinth
yes
slow warren
and this is the same for all tank's taunts?
honest plinth
if i got you correctly 😄
i mean you taunt and mob will change the target
and you will generate extra threat
for few seconds
slow warren
yep so works exactly as i remember
this tank probably has taunt unbound
and i ripped aggro off almost every pull
🔫
gloomy cradle
anyone have some good vods from first day of m+