ah alright, thanks!
#protection
wheat sleet
strong forum
Gear has a set loot table regardless of what stats you actually want as X spec / class
worthy owl
so how good or bad is prot looking for m+? went kyrian for arms pvp guessing that will still be good in m+
sweet summit
Ya we good
jagged pier
we are perfectly good for m+, and lucky you, you have the bestcovenant for tanking m+
dense vessel
is the root from the spear better than the knockdown from the night fae ability?
jagged pier
more like potion is better than soulshape
sweet summit
In a vacuum AA is better than spear, but kyrian gives phial and phial is very epic
silver apex
is thunderlord still the go-to legendary if you play ravager for m+?
fiery remnant
Any tips you guys can give me for proper shield block/IP usage?
sweet summit
Its the go to yes, regardless of ravager or not
If youre taking blockable damage you keep up SB and compliment with IP
If youre not taking blockable damage you use IP and likely compliment with shield wall or healer external if needed
altho SB still increases SS damage so it still has some value
Demo shout/ravager/avatar are used on cooldown as long as theyre not wasted (like very end of a pull)
haughty meteor
why is ravager considered a "defensive" play talent. Is it because it enables kiting? ELI5 please.
sterile plover
^ also pairs well with bolster talent in the next row down,
haughty meteor
gotcha, thanks
solid gulch
Not raided before, so I might be missing something silly, but
If we’re off-tanking and there’s a single ability that forces a tank swap (say Shriekwing’s Exsanguinating Bite), could we theoretically Intervene as Bite is being cast, absorb the debuff, then go back to dpsing without needing to tank swap?
fiery remnant
How do I know if The damage I’m taking is blockable?
ebon hound
strong forum
Anything that looks like it's throwing a punch or swinging its arms / weapons at you is usually blockable
strong forum
Not raided before, so I might be missing something silly, but
If we’re off-tank...
Should be possible if the bite is considered a melee attack
jagged pier
range attacks are blockable now as well arent they since like bfa season2?
like arrows and such
strong forum
8.1
You can block ranged auto attacks and "shoot" casts
As they were obnoxiously strong in bfa dungeons
quaint sparrow
Well pulling big pack in s4 bfa was fun
quaint sparrow
Yeah im doing just that but its just not the same .
quaint sparrow
AOE cap dmg is kinda crap
strong forum
Oh yeah first pull
restive flax
at least in the gauntlet section
yeah some of the packs in the gauntlet section dont do anything^^
barren anvil
Guys i got so lucky. Did first time SoA and dropped thunderlord
quaint sparrow
Gz
restive flax
Mejume has been banned
barren anvil
i dont have ash yet to craft gonna do it tomorrow. Now since its raid week can i craft it at 210 already?
and whats better hands or gloves?
sweet summit
If u have 2k ash sure go for 210
restive flax
boots you mean
sweet summit
Boots>=gloves
barren anvil
Ahh ok. I got 810 ash. Gonna do torghast first tomorrow then craft
and then im gonna collect more
why boots>gloves?
are stats bigger or what
sweet summit
Yep, slighly at hugher ilvl
restive flax
And we get cool gloves in Narnia
undone sun
restive flax
Sludgefist has Haste / Versa gloves ❤️
fallow mortar
Can we pin that pic? XD
simple mural
I'm excited for mythic plus~ this expansion we've got a huge pile of people wanting to try tanking. I've been MT for about 10 years now so I've got no problem letting other people try. They aren't very good though, so come this week I expect them to want to go back to dps. 😁
fallow mortar
Is there much of a difference in tanking on mythic difficulty than in heroics or norms?
mental scarab
simple mural
Mobs hit harder and affixes
Normal heroics and base mythical are forgiving if you miss your mitigation uptime or can't keep threat. In M+ it'll wipe a group really fast.
fallow mortar
I forgot to say in raids, woops
topaz ember
Huge night and day difference between normal and mythic. Early heroic gives a nice taste of mythic especially bosses towards the end in week 1 and 2. It’s mostly just knowing the fights and what cds you need for what.
The big difference in mythic is you never super out gear the content(well maybe end of patches in full bis) like in heroic and normal
latent tusk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880935951106048/783262305185562644/unk...
Why are people putting their legendary on boots or gloves when this says chest is the best thing to make?
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fallow mortar
squints
dense pivot
I want signet chest 😡
latent tusk
I want any weap or shield I still have the pvp ones
jagged pier
: hippo :
glossy island
Hi guys, whats stats best to craft in legendary/
fallow mortar
crit vers and that is a broad question chef. People are normally using their covenant potency conduit
jagged pier
that is the best one
restive flax
@fallow mortar stats in your lego should be Haste Vers not Crit Vers
still pagoda
Hi guys, whats stats best to craft in legendary/
haste/vers or haste/crit
jagged pier
haste vers or haste crit
quaint sparrow
Haste Vers crit mastery
glossy island
Thanks guys
sick sentinel
is there any site to sim rage regen for prot as different builds/legos?
still pagoda
no
you can just use original simc with nightly build and put a patchwerk sim
OR do a hectic add cleave one
steel mauve
you should be able to technically just math it out
sick sentinel
Everyone out here excited about raidgear and mythic keys, I'm hype to get another conduit slot
dense pivot
raidbots lets you select nightly builds but not sure how fresh are we talking
still pagoda
raidbots lets you select nightly builds but not sure how fresh are we talking
you need specific rage generation chart
that is accessible through original simc
but not through raidbots
dense pivot
ah ok sorry
trim pumice
crafting thunderlord on boots or gloves?
undone sun
you can see the rage stats through raidbots, just click the html
frozen ocean
Anyone can share there keybindings as prot?
jagged pier
you dont want mine
sour sluice
yeah, thats a hard one
dense pivot
yeah it's one thing that is super personal
frozen ocean
Yes true
dense pivot
I move with esdf, to get more buttons around
hate to use ctrl and alt modifiers, and rotation is not even close to 1234
sour sluice
Bellular did a pretty good job discussing it though i thought. Be consistent across your characters, and your keybinds will be much easier
for example, alt + F is always a run speed increase if the class has one. sprint on my rogue, kitty dash on my druid. my interrupt button is always the same, self heal is always the same, etc etc
dense pivot
I tried that, it's pretty hard to do consistently
sour sluice
yeah, it doesnt work for every class for sure
dense pivot
but yeah I guess like, you should try at least
steel mauve
its what ive dont since bc and its pretty easy to do honestly
also i do have weird keybinds lol
like SDF are my movement keys
dense pivot
heeey
sour sluice
getting rid of the turning left and right on A and D by default and making them strafe to free up two perfect keybinds is a good start though
frozen ocean
Ty for input guys! I think i have to try that esdf
sour sluice
yeah, i might try esdf too
sick sentinel
I've got a weak pinky so I always hated using shift as a modifier, #CTRLGang
mighty smelt
CTRL is still a pinky key???
sick sentinel
CTRL is still a pinky key???
Nah man you hold that badboy with the joint below the pinky
gloomy cradle
I rebound caps lock to ctrl
For other reasons than gaming, but its a joy for keybindings in wow as well
solid gulch
I only use A and D to strafe, all other movement is done with the mouse (with a side button on the mouse bound to auto-run)
restive flax
how do you run backwards?
restive flax
so you dont run backwards.
onyx matrix
A cool 360
restive flax
true, that makes more sense yeah
was about to say that strafing back bears the risk of enemies hitting you in the back
sick sentinel
Unbinding your S key is literally just a meme PvPers use to trick people. Don't fall for their propaganda.
strong forum
Na, that makes me walk backwards
When I want to jump
And press buttons
You'd need to use 3-4 buttons simultaneously to walk backwards + use your spells, that's way too advanced mental gymnastics
sick sentinel
I don't even know what we're talking about anymore
wispy tundra
Kick with a click of a mouse
dense pivot
I use middle mouse on everyone, except mages, it's 5 on my mages for some historical reasons, ah yeah, middle mouse is blink
turbid cargo
my oldest has gotta be push to talk, lol
been Z since 1999
dense pivot
and 5 is charge or sprint on melee
ember inlet
I remember playingrogue and I had mutilate on mouse wheel scroll down
And cannibalism on scroll up :D
Had some funny interactions sometimes
sick sentinel
Kick always been F for me, regardless of class. E Q F R is some top tier real estate
ember inlet
A friend of mine claims to be hitting 3k on ppaladin w/o legendary
@sick sentinel as protection :D
Damn autocorrect
ionic fern
Paladins are stupid strong right now when it comes to DPS. 🙂
Together with VDH.
That NerfBat is looming.
sick sentinel
During demo, spear, ravager, on a big pack around 4k-5k. On normal ST? Around like 1,5k maybe a bit less
ember inlet
Can't wait
ionic fern
Last dungeon i did my overall was like 2.6k i think.
ember inlet
Demo spear Rava should be 10k tbh
sick sentinel
Normal ass tank and spank single target im at 1,2 - 1,5 tbh
modern brook
I'll never understand people who brag about their numbers while playing an overtuned spec
like u did it u got blizzard to ignore you in live for a few weeks
jagged pier
there are casuals in my guild that boast about ilvl
modern brook
def a bruh from me tbh
ionic fern
I wish i could boast about ilvl but i'm like 172.
jagged pier
literally everyone one ilvl he got he put it in guild chat
ionic fern
😂
jagged pier
F
haughty meteor
Kick always been F for me, regardless of class. E Q F R is some top tier real estate
@sick sentinel I kick with front thumb-mouse. Either m4 or m5, cant remember which is which.
modern brook
im better than mwahi confirmed
ionic fern
++
sick sentinel
I actually had pretty decent luck lol, made lego + got decent drops im at 182
sick sentinel
but who cares that shit wont matter in 24 hours
modern brook
I think i went from like 163 to 181 in literally 1 week of M drops
ember inlet
@sick sentinel it matters for pugs :D
wispy tundra
One of my guildmates lives for ilvl and updates his notes tab all the time 😂
modern brook
imagine if he put that energy towards kicking necrotic bolt
sick sentinel
The only thing I "cared" about was watching the HP rise. When I started my first week of mythics I was at 36k HP now it's at 45k, that was fun to see!
ember inlet
xD
jagged pier
my note in the guild said on trail for nearly 2 years because i dont update it and the officers didnt update it XD
sick sentinel
<@456226577798135808> it matters for pugs :D
i mainly run with guildies so for me it dont matta
But tomorrow mates... 2 pieces of gear per dungeon if you time it. That's a pretty mild yikes from me dawg. 😦
modern brook
Cba doing more.
whats ur opinion on the 10 +14's for max loot next week
modern brook
Uhhh the long and short is that Mythic Raid week will have the greater valut
and M+ gives you highest ilvl in that vault at 14
final mist
Anyone who does 10 +14s is insane
modern brook
but to get 3x choices (at highest ilvl) you need to have done 10 14s
sick sentinel
3
modern brook
3 then 7 i think lol
sick sentinel
3 7 10 right
wispy tundra
Pushing for 7s first
ionic fern
I couldn't care less about choices in the first month or so. 🤷
final mist
Didn’t they change it to 1-4-10?
modern brook
🤷♂️
latent tusk
noob back at it again with a dumb question, i just started tanking last week, did all the mythics, ez pz, do i have a chance to pug the raid or was i supposed to sign up through a guild, and do i need to spec dps for the raid - like is there only 1 or 2 tanks per raid? sry
haughty meteor
1-4-10 iirc
modern brook
Honestly Sal, I'm waiting for the catch that makes this good decision shit
ionic fern
The choices start really mattering once you actually are "max ilvl" and really need a upgrade on a piece or two imo.
sick sentinel
In order to get the choice of Dungeon gear from your Great Vault, you'll need to complete the following objectives.
Complete 1 Mythic+ Dungeon
Complete 4 Mythic+ Dungeons
Complete 10 Mythic+ Dungeons
Outside of that i'll just play how many dungeons i happen to play in a week and be happy with that.
😂
final mist
4 14s is fine, but you should honestly just farm 10s after that
modern brook
Getting to 14 will be interesting
final mist
Since gear is capped there
modern brook
since "nope we definitely wont have keys from last expac"
sick sentinel
final mist
None of the dungeons look super mongo difficult, IMO
sick sentinel
oh yeah it is actually capped at 14
the hell
so 15 is literally just for keystone master?
lol
wispy tundra
Till mythic raid releases
haughty meteor
How high times key are we going to see first week? Apart from the 1%:ers where will the sweetspot be? 6-7-8?
sick sentinel
another table
wispy tundra
Probably 7's
sick sentinel
after heroric week:
it's so weird they have these deadzone keys, 8 and 9 - literally whats the point of running a 9 if you can find an 8
unleash you're pushing obviously
but still
unless *
so if you're pugging avoid 9s and 11s if possible
latent tusk
noob back at it again with a dumb question, i just started tanking last week, did all the mythics, ez pz, do i have a chance to pug the raid or was i supposed to sign up through a guild, and do i need to spec dps for the raid - like is there only 1 or 2 tanks per raid? sry
modern brook
unleash you're pushing obviously
honestly this is like 90% of the reason to do m+
M+ is literally parse chasing but without the selfishness
like why bother oing more than your loot per week?
cause its fucking fun
sweet summit
Big number=good
signal plover
noob back at it again with a dumb question, i just started tanking last week, di...
there's typically 2 tanks per raid (sometimes a 3rd DPS that flexes if needed). You can pug but your experience will vary from run to run, and even after just a few weeks, most runs will be looking for folks that have already cleared it.
most common way to get tank spots is to join a guild as DPS then show a willingness to tank outside of raid
latent tusk
there's typically 2 tanks per raid (sometimes a 3rd DPS that flexes if needed). ...
ty!
honest plinth
this one is correct
abstract musk
what is best runecarving for prot?
sweet summit
Thunderlord on boots with haste vers for m+
The Wall on shoulders with haste vers for raid
abstract musk
❤️
formal river
Erga has that response macro'd
sweet summit
No, sir. I do not
signal plover
fastest typer in the west
formal river
Oh. Well I would do it.
north rampart
and if you are not doing the thunder spam build?
dense pivot
the wall then
strong forum
Erga is a very well written AI
modern brook
Ergai :^(
formal river
You could make reverberations like me but dont me like me
sweet summit
Thank u @strong forum
abstract musk
I'm sorry I started this
formal river
I am a paper tank dps whore
north rampart
no luck with the intercept lego for a free IP+double damage revenge every 30 second then i guess
sweet summit
Not at all :/
modern brook
I didnt even know that existed tbh
north rampart
thought it would be good, 120 rage every 30 seconds tho....
strong forum
Erga cocks
sweet summit
strong forum
See, it works
modern brook
thought it would be good, 120 rage every 30 seconds tho....
really it just loses to booming voice and the efficiency of Tlords /wall
north rampart
wait 80 rage, Ignore pain 40, double revenge 2x20
just got a feeling everyone is drinking some coolaid, coz i tried thunderspamming without the lego and it felt so weak, i guess the yuge uptime on demoshout/the frequent +40 rage is a big difference
sweet summit
its nice if you can intercept an attack every 30 seconds, but thats unlikely
thunderlord just offers a lot more damge reduction overall with higher demo shout uptime compared to two ignore pains
modern brook
the concept of it giving "80 rage" is also a misnomeratur
since having 80 rage and getting a free ip and 2x damage revenge are very seperate things
north rampart
does the intercept lego not trigger if the boss is only slapping me and not the person i intercept?
strong forum
Misnomeratur 
strong forum
does the intercept lego not trigger if the boss is only slapping me and not the ...
Yes
north rampart
well, i guess i can put it directly into the trash can then, if i have to intercept someone under attack to proc it than i guess it sucks
sweet summit
😔
modern brook
well, i guess i can put it directly into the trash can then, if i have to interc...
might have some use in battle grounds :^(
north rampart
might be good pre wall raid tanking?
north rampart
proc it every time you swith tanks or pull and add off someone
north rampart
leave group if they don't do it perfectly
i wish I had the coordination for that, never mind getting a whole team that can do it!
modern brook
and also if intercept works the way i think it does since fuck dude i dont think I've intercepted a teamate for any reason other than to get to the flight master faster in like a year and ahalf
if you intercept an AA that gives stacks, do you get the stack
?
modern brook
cool yeah so there are usecases in raid where u cant use it still 😬
or at the very least you need to convince your cotank to taunt early
north rampart
if you are going to swap anyway.... or maybe you could work out some kinda intercept, eat a stack or two jump away kinda think on some mechanics
modern brook
I mean yeah it depends on fight 🤷♂️
I havent looked at the raid froma tank perspective yet
wet shuttle
Tried prot, i have 180ilevel and i felt like i was getting clapped.
modern brook
I dont believe im tanking this expac
wet shuttle
not sure what im doing wrong
modern brook
are u using the shield?
wet shuttle
yea spamming ip
sweet summit
bad habit
wet shuttle
word
modern brook
Legion warrior tbh
sweet summit
the very few instances where youre not taking blockable damage you just IP and dont SB
but those are rare cases
north rampart
there is a google doc of reflectable spells somewhere
sweet summit
first pin here
north rampart
and if you dont have the legendary the thunder clap spam build sucks fat sweaty balls
sweet summit
even when i have TGV id still play ravager
hallow phoenix
UF only good with AM is my understanding, and losing bolster sucks
sweet summit
ravager fucking owns dude
modern brook
u converted me in late BFA
north rampart
bolster is the shit man 15 seconds of shield block every 2 mins is such a nice little panic button
modern brook
it being good in SL is a godsend
hallow phoenix
sweet summit
its not a panic button
wispy tundra
Pre pull button
modern brook
its a damage cooldown tbh
final mist
Warrior doesn’t have panic buttons
north rampart
hahahhaha
final mist
You use everything to reduce damage before you’d ever hit that panic threshold, not after
If you’re saving CDs to use them as “oh shit” buttons, you’re doing it wrong
modern brook
Most people are lol
sweet summit
common mistake tbh
final mist
It’s why warrior is typically viewed as “the worst tank”
modern brook
^
final mist
We have zero reactive buttons
modern brook
People play bad, they're yelled at by people that dont play the spec to use ip more
and are confused why they're being outtanked by Monks
latent tusk
Tried prot, i have 180ilevel and i felt like i was getting clapped.
what did u feel like u were getting clapped in?
modern brook
yeah block will help with that
final mist
Rotate CDs
wispy tundra
Im feeling fine so far, I'm curious how this week will go
dapper shoal
yeah, if im not rotating cd's on trash i get wrecked
north rampart
Pre pull button
naw man, jump in the fight naked for the extra rage, spam revenge till 40% health, then last stand rallying cry victory back up rush up, then have all you healers panic heal arrive and over heal you.
final mist
Try not to use them towards the end of a pull unless you’re going to the next very quickly and you know it’ll last until it
north rampart
moar deeps moar good
dapper shoal
when i run out of CD's i'm just like "welp i hope i dont die"
final mist
If you run out of CDs in m0s and you’re not grossly over pulling, call your DPS trash and tell them to pick up their slack
wet shuttle
lol
wispy tundra
naw man, jump in the fight naked for the extra rage, spam revenge till 40% healt...
My healer pulls extra packs in MO to give himself a challenge and me the heart attack 😂
dapper shoal
gotta go fast duh jeez
north rampart
an aoe stun stopping 5 trash from hitting you is actually a fat damage reduction, dont forget that
modern brook
shockwave's duration is way to short for it to be used for meaningful reduction
It stops loyal beasts from being cast for the 12 time cause ur dps cant be assed to play the game
final mist
And that’s meaningful damage reduction 
north rampart
hahahhaha
strong forum
With it you can delay using SB often
strong forum
And squeeze in a few more seconds
north rampart
just saying if you die with shockwave on CD you dun goofed, and if you are going to shockwave, use it early against 5 mobs not against 2 when you are almost dead
strong forum
So you're the reason why people think warri is shit
modern brook
:^)
nah i keep my shit private tbh
i dont tank for pugs anymore
not tryna ruin ur good name
sweet summit
pugs dont deserve you anyway
latent tusk
we never deserved nullfango
modern brook
😦 why am i being bullied
sweet summit
that was a compliment :/
formal river
I make my healer work, and if they complain that I'm getting hit hard I link the DPS that I'm ahead of and blame them
Its a winning situation for me.
north rampart
I make my healer work, and if they complain that I'm getting hit hard I link the...
this man understands tanking an a level few grasp
wintry jetty
are you guys all happy with your thunderlord? 🙂
hallow phoenix
My healer spams lava burst when I'm dying
uneven mason
they need to step their game up
formal river
@wintry jetty I made reverberations and my revenge goes brrrr
hallow phoenix
Tells me to git gud
uneven mason
I had a m0 pug that I was top damage in, healer was complaining that I was hard to heal and then I Look - shadowmend was 75% of their throughput
🤤
"Spend rage on IP not condemn"
"Try using atonement?"
north rampart
im tempted to go reverb aswell, can use it when i am arms aswell while i wait for the wall to drop
north rampart
if you time it right arm can do a crazy stupid big whirlwind with all the talents and soulbinds set up
fun to try on target dummies, not sure it will ever happen in real life, but i am waiting for the meme video of aoe oneshots in a battleground
chilly brook
if you time it right arm can do a crazy stupid big whirlwind with all the talent...
This isn't arms chat tho
honest plinth
Tells me to git gud
spam / laugh at him
north rampart
hahahhaha you know you wanna try it 😉
25 seconds of setup for one big whirlwind, that is what peak preformance looks like
chilly brook
Not really
uneven mason
25 seconds of setup for one big whirlwind, that is what peak preformance looks l...
Arms gameplay at its best.
inner harbor
@uneven mason is Disc actually difficult to play? My worst pugs are with Disc's and my Atonement uptime is sub-10% lol
modern brook
Disc is different from other healers
Ans they're good now
So you have a bunch of 2 head rerollers
inner harbor
That makes sense, and prob just my bad luck in pugs
dense pivot
if everyone takes too much damage they are forced to spam their flash heal I think
atonement is baby heals outside of burst
uneven mason
<@!123448908838862849> is Disc actually difficult to play? My worst pugs are wit...
Its probably on par with Prot with needing to think ahead, all other healers are much better at the reactionary / catch up game than disc
disc has to get their atonements out, and be able to land some DDs before the mobs explode.
inner harbor
Ahh, yeah I can see how that presents a skill challenge for some randoms
uneven mason
its not a "whack-a-mole" style healer
hallow phoenix
It's definitely harder to play when you have unpredictable random pugs stepping into every aoe possible
still pagoda
its not a "whack-a-mole" style healer
Neither is post-glimmer pala
neither is any of healers if you're going for high content
inner harbor
It's a shitty cascade, because I'm then forced to spam IP instead of Revenge, threat is shit and now the same DPS is taking AOE and DD hits lol
though I prob just need to stop being an idiot and tab-target more
uneven mason
neither is any of healers if you're going for high content
talking garbo m0 pugs
civic rover
dont be like karton, dont pug
uneven mason
🤷♂️ I don't feel the need to drag guildies through every mudhole dungeon I Have to complete for quests
honest plinth
still pagoda
sweet summit
i pug a lot and its not that bad
hallow smelt
I mean if you’re doing m0 pug is not bad at all. Higher keys RIP.
strong forum
The higher you go, the better the pugs are
sweet summit
no i puged "higher keys" in bfa
strong forum
But that ain't until like 5k in s4
still pagoda
The higher you go, the better the pugs are
except during later parts of the tier. 3k rio trap as it is 
hallow phoenix
I believe it was around 3k where the really bad pugs were
hallow phoenix
Super bad super toxic
civic rover
i found pugging in the 18-21 range, the run was either flawless or extremely toxic
hallow phoenix
Yeah
strong forum
Cuz that's where the pugs thought they were good at the game
Thinking they're hot shit
civic rover
as long as i linked the route and marked the big pulls there usually wasn't a huge problem unless someone was really underperforming, in which case it got toxic fast
still pagoda
i still thought of myself as of casual scrub when i hit 3k
civic rover
and underperformers were common 
still pagoda
Whatever rio I am, is scrub io [2]
sweet summit
same
civic rover
i dont think i can call myself casual considering i've spent the time to keep all of the tanks geared for two whole expansions, going on three.
strong forum
Casual is a broad term
hallow phoenix
Filthy casual
civic rover
im your dirty little casual 
sweet summit
😳
strong forum
still pagoda
amount of characters you play and keep up to date doesn't matter on whether you're a casul or not
civic rover
i thought casual was like you didn't play that much
modern brook
No casual is used to shame people into playing better
hallow smelt
Worst pugging keys are like 12-17 those are the people who think they are good but actually suck.
formal river
Casual was always a funny term to me.
No one is funding their 401k playing this game
Well, very few anyway
Some people just choose to play the game differently than others.
In the end it's all meaningless an we are all going to die so have fun
hallow phoenix
No I want my io engraved on my tombstone as my life accomplishment
still pagoda
sturdy sable
Sounds like something a casual would say @formal river
hallow phoenix
Sometimes I can't see what people type or even their names. Clicking on the message and the profile pulls up an actual user, though. Anyone know why this is? Only happens in Skyhold
formal river
@sturdy sable you do you man. Go out there and get those pixels! :)
inner harbor
If people are happy with their time spent, that's all that matters. I advocate for using the time responsibly - eg be informed, play your best.
merry elbow
My cotank for upcoming raid is also prot war, how do I establish dominance early?
sweet summit
execute harder
inner harbor
give him stam flasks
still pagoda
My cotank for upcoming raid is also prot war, how do I establish dominance early...
chill with the bro
turbid cargo
Force him to constantly intervene you, then post damage taken comparisons
formal river
@merry elbow change to venthyr and condemn all day
hallow phoenix
Taunt leap taunt then challenging shout. So when it's time to taunt swap the boss is immune and you wipe because cotank couldn't do his job
civic rover
tusks
turbid cargo
genius
civic rover
wtf is wrong with you
hallow phoenix
Blame cotank for not taunting properly
inner harbor
i'm glad i haven't pissed off a co-tank with that level of treachery
still pagoda
My cotank for upcoming raid is also prot war, how do I establish dominance early...
seriously. No need to "establish dominance". Chill with the dude, get some beers on a Friday, cooperate, don't be a selfish dick
🙃
merry elbow
In all seriousness this will be my first raid tier tanking so Im not entirely sure what to expect
frosty scarab
Bosses will hit you in the face.
rare junco
And would like an answer a proper one ahha
So I'm Prot Warrior but for PvP I wanna go Arms Warrior
Mainly Arenas tbh
sweet summit
kyrian
hallow phoenix
Lol
sweet summit
👀
sweet summit
what do you mean "How can I equips boths"?
modern brook
In all seriousness this will be my first raid tier tanking so Im not entirely su...
just be open to criticism and know how your spec works
modern brook
How can I equips boths
with 2 different gear sets
rare junco
OK so should I gear my pve 1st to maximum ans then loot specialisation to arms or ?
In this raid for example I will go arms but loot specialisation to prot
modern brook
I dont think theres any fights that have str 1hander, shield, or arms,
just swap loot spec based on the weapon / trinket you need
modern brook
they're both plate spec
the only slots that are different are weapons and dtrinkets
mellow patio
just be open to criticism and know how your spec works
And ALWAYS blame the healer
modern brook
If you need a bunch of different stats ur gunna need a lot of loot anyways
rare junco
Because prot is ilvl socket haste versatility mastery strength
Arms is different i guess
modern brook
Sure
modern brook
If a boss drops plate gloves, plate wasit, and a str 1 hander
the only difference between being in Prot lootspec and Arms loot spec is the 1 hander isnt in the arms loot spec
so if u need a prot 1 hander still go prot
civic rover
ye the stats dont change
rare junco
That's what I'm asking
civic rover
regardless of loot specialization
modern brook
If you're asking for the arms PVP stat priority i would suggest #arms or #223972896219856896 they would know better than us
If you're asking how should i get the gear to equip to seperate specs the answer is to swap based on weapons or trinkets
modern brook
npnp
ebon swan
is the dps between spectral strength and phantom fire really that big? Phantom fire is 4 times as expensive
sweet summit
do two quick sims and see, one for each pot
sweet summit
a weightstone is not the same as a combat pot
ebon swan
yeah the oil is cheap, thats no problem
turbid cargo
i'm... not supposed to drink the weightstone?
restive flax
Oh, my brain was considering that because the Shadowcore Oil
ebon swan
am i blind or is there no way to select pots in raidbots?
ebon swan
aahhh need to click on show more options as well 😄
thanks haha
phantom fire is 50 dps more, that aint worth 300g per pull
jagged pier
worth for mythic
ebon swan
damn forgot to consider relative increase it is like 3% or so but not worth it for heroic i guess
ebon swan
yeah dps numbers are so low now 50 dps actually is considerable i keep forgetting that lol
eager cairn
sweet summit
latent tusk
Mfw still at 177 ilevel
im at 177 and did alllll the mythics lol
drifting sky
Same sadge
latent tusk
but i havent had any issues at all
drifting sky
Drop luck was horrible
latent tusk
yeah, i didnt make leggy yet either so theres that, that will boost me up a little
drifting sky
Does each mythic0 grant 1 key?
latent tusk
anyone else gonna jump straight into a torghast lvl 6 ? lol
sick sentinel
How is prot warrior's playstyle this expansion? Whenever a new xpac comes around, I feel the need to check. It used to be rather fast paced up until the active mitigation thing started. Gladiator brought that WotLK/Cata speed back for a bit, but got axed. Legion had that one legendary that let you chain shield slams in short bursts that felt speedy, but those went away with BFA.
drifting sky
@sick sentinel it’s been good so far, just need to throw in a revenge on start of pull for aggro
Think tank wide there’s been a cap on targets for aggro
For abilities
still pagoda
How is prot warrior's playstyle this expansion? Whenever a new xpac comes around...
Shield Slam chaining was all thanks to 2p T21, not the legendary
spec is still the same as Legion and BfA
fast paced as usual
sick sentinel
That's what it was.
drifting sky
I think when I craft thunder lord it will be a lot smoother this week
Rage generation wise
prime edge
Does anyone know if we need missives for upgrading our leggo?
or do we only need the base item?
sick sentinel
Eh, I found it to be quite slow until that Legion thing hit. Figured I'd check if there was anything to bring it back to that.
Alright, thanks a bunch for the info!
tight canopy
Str flask and armor pots for tonight correct?
tight canopy
Why not armor pots?
sweet summit
you dont need it
tight canopy
Do they not interact with bleeds?
sweet summit
no
jagged pier
you dont need armour pots
sweet summit
bleeds ingnore armour
drifting sky
Is anyone here pugging the raid?
jagged pier
and how would armour pots interact with bleeds they ignore armour
tight canopy
What's the best defensive pot for tonight then?
sweet summit
strength
jagged pier
str
but you wont use a pot defensivly anymore
most likley you just use them with lust now
cause of 5 min cd
tight canopy
Do they share cd with health pots now?
jagged pier
no
tight canopy
so just pop dps pot on pull for big dam?
sweet summit
yes
jagged pier
dense pivot
LOL
jagged pier
2449 with DR
2445 with BV
dense pivot
imagine playing the game enjoying it, and then saying to youself, hey that takes too much time to be done with
chilly brook
Imagine having story and tons to do in an RPG and god forbid it offers a lot of ways to go about it and roleplay wouldn't want people to be overwhelmed with roleplaying elements
sweet summit
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vAoCZ1wRou8hsBd8V9jzKe @jagged pier wtf are we twins
strong forum
2274 yuge dps
Only 300 dps less than me
jagged pier
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vAoCZ1wRou8hsBd8V9jzKe <@!179993058186625...
we definatly arent twins you are far more geared than me
sweet summit
but we sim same number :/
sick sentinel
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/tankian this is how far i went so far, completed 1 or 2 heroics
runic grove
Which legendary is considered best to build first?
spiral solar
the wall
you get it from the raid
unless you go myhtic +
then its thunderlords
which is thrid boss in spire
austere sleet
any reason people are still using heart of azeroth
strong forum
Cuz it Sims high
runic grove
I figured thunderlord would be good for dungeons
north rampart
does condems rage refund make indomitable and anger management better/does indomitable and anger management make condemn more viable?
sick sentinel
i bought the defensive trinket because i did not see the other str trinket
spiral solar
I figured thunderlord would be good for dungeons
thats what i said buddy
latent tusk
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kPY2nqfYLX6GhAC2PFfhE5 here this is so no one feels bad about themselves,, just think you arent ME lol
strong forum
I figured thunderlord would be good for dungeons
Thunderlord for m+
Thecwall for raid
sick sentinel
and then that gem thing dropped, so is like, well, okay, this is my life now,
dense pivot
HoA is super fat
chilly brook
Only 300 dps less than me
Meanwhile I cry https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3d3Ts1j9PEFCyUxHNndnrh
strong forum
Well that's because you're a dk
latent tusk
griff dont cry look at me lol
dense pivot
I had like fresh HoA, since I rerolled servers, only replaced it with m0 neck
chilly brook
Well that's because you're a dk
Even more reason to cry
strong forum
Yup
chilly brook
Lemme see what my warrior is simming at
dense pivot
gl with your raids friends
strong forum
Let's see, turning on PC
sweet summit
@latent tusk you dont have a covenant nor soulbinds/conduits in that sim 👀 load from armory doesnt work properly
latent tusk
ah XD let me see if i can figure out how to fix, im not subbed only quick simming
ty @sweet summit
sweet summit
1, Download this addon https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/simulationcraft
2, in game type /simc
3,copy that info
4, go to https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear
5,paste it there
6, choose items/talents etc you want to compare , set Patchwerk, 1 Target in option in bottom preferably with all buffs on , hit Find top gear
7,profit
big copypasta
oh u have tgv and quantum device thats cheating
dense pivot
LOL
strong forum
youre using execute conduit
latent tusk
ah so hvae to wait till i can log in erga, thank stho! ill resim when its up
sweet summit
yes ofc
strong forum
and mastery gems
dense pivot
does APL uses quantum on pull or sub 20%?
strong forum
for whatever reason
tight canopy
Best talents for tanking atm? My sims show Heavy Repurcussions as best dps
strong forum
what
sweet summit
AM should be more dps
strong forum
AM should be miles ahead
tight canopy
That's whats weird to me
sweet summit
link sim
tight canopy
Im not sure how well its set up because I used a simc from when I was arms
and had to pick gear from bags
latent tusk
ah and need to keep heartof azeroth i see
tight canopy
heart is just so much stat, but I'm going to 184 upgrade that juicy pvp neck once reset
rain dune
Would I be better off grabbing the haste Darkmoon deck compared to the Stone trinket that gives armor/hp regen and slows you?
tight canopy
I just don't get how AM isn't showing up as top dps
sweet summit
you also have wft nome... literally cheating..
strong forum
wft?
latent tusk
i love this discord, ever since my friend told me about it ive learned so much, also btw, PRot channel is much less aids and trolls than fury/arms
sweet summit
windfury totem
strong forum
oh do i
sweet summit
strong forum
didnt know it was enabled by default
sweet summit
guess its yuge cos devastator
strong forum
i wish hymnal of the path was implemented
how is my crit mastery ring, simming more than my haste vers+socket ring
wtf
north rampart
looking at how condem scales with versa harder than ignore pain, and costs 32 vs 40, once i am head to toe in versa gear how close would they be on a health per rage standpoint?
sweet summit
mastery=AP=yuge damage since stat squish i suppose?
north rampart
plus the 8 "free" rage for indomintable/anger management
strong forum
probably because i already have so much vers on my gear
strong forum
IP also translates into Aoe when Condemn is only ST
latent tusk
for the shield did u guys get lucky in a dungeon or farm it in the world
strong forum
lucky during m0
sweet summit
got it from a guildy
latent tusk
ah cool
sweet summit
plus the 8 "free" rage for indomintable/anger management
oh the refund, yeah
torn gulch
40k for a 190 shield
raven dove
north rampart
tab target condemns for aggro 🙂
torn gulch
there are not a lot of shields
latent tusk
also anyone else making money blacksmithing? im making tons, dont know why, crafting blue boe boots and helms
wispy plume
Hey guys is there any list or spreadsheet available for spell reflection (m+/castle)
torn gulch
i do make money from base lego gear
sweet summit
torn gulch
but i am facing heavy competition at lower ranks
strong forum
woah DR is a huge 4dps gain over BV with tgv on ST, what is this @ionic fern
north rampart
thinking for the boss that hits you and rips your soul out in nathria, then the soul has your %hp and needs to be healed, if you IP + condem it would be easier on the healers right? just desperatly trying to think of reasons no to go kyrian xD
strong forum
the only logical conclusion would be more ST dps for condemn
defensively Kyrian is better because potion
sweet summit
noone is forcing you to go kyrian
strong forum
also this
jagged pier
mastery simming higher NANI
eternal idol
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Wvvuhttj4gTtZB7HvQyQ8 WFT is big wtf
Anyone have any tips on why I'm simming so low compared to others ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o1X5WMePt97oxTQwpGHH2P
sweet summit
quick sim does, just the load from armory is wack atm
fallow mortar
so, should we use the addon and do what you described earlier to get an accurate sim?
tardy parcel
I was wondering the same thing lol I was like wtf
sweet summit
yeah gtka
strong forum
its a perk of being yellow
sweet summit
also that
strong forum
you just sim 600+dps higher
sweet summit
tardy parcel
sounds about right
fallow mortar
1, Download this addon https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/simulationcraft
2, ...
for those that don't want to scroll
tardy parcel
random question about the raid (sorry for breaking up the sim chat!) - is there even any need for a tank swap on Sludgefist? it just sounds like you need the two tanks butt-to-butt the whole fight, but no need for a taunt
just in regards to normal/heroic, not mythic
sturdy sable
its butt2butt
north rampart
defensively Kyrian is better because potion
trying to think of edge cases when damage reduction and healing are not equivalent. doesnt seem to be many of them 😕
eternal idol
ty
sturdy sable
hes talking about the removal of bleeds
being the defensive gain of the kyrian potion
tardy parcel
its butt2butt
tight, ty
strong forum
like, imagine being in execute phase, you get to use Last Stand + the rage gen conduit
and spam condemn away
youre gonna be plenty tanky from that alone
fallow mortar
also can't sim properly cause US servers are still down 😦
north rampart
like, imagine being in execute phase, you get to use Last Stand + the rage gen c...
i am salivating enough already pls stahp
you use the haste talent or ravager? i see some saying 10% haste is best but ravager is such a crutch for me i dnt know if i could swap
strong forum
ITF for raiding
Ravager for everything else
OR unless you absolutely need the haste for SB uptime in ultra keys ITF there aswell
that could potentially be a scenario aswell
north rampart
never surrender vs indominable? im guessing victroy rush is a must for mythics
deep steppe
indom always
sweet summit
never never surrender
north rampart
jajajjajaja
dense pivot
maybe IV for soloing maw giga elites :p indom doesn't heal enough, but didn't try IV yet
eketra farmed me 😿
dense pivot
I wouldn't want to press IV in dungeons that's for sure
eternal idol
So for the tier 1 Talent, the general consensus is to pick Devastator?
steel mauve
Ya
woven radish
Punish great on hard hitting raid bosses i would assume
strong forum
the thing is
theres no hard hitting bosses
and you cant maintain more than 1-2 stacks unless you get Really lucky
punish is good, but devastator is generally better because of its rage gen and general fluidity of rotation
vocal bison
anyone play that pinapplia game? pretty legit
vocal bison
some people are geniuses, asking my raid to run that a few times before we go in Saturday, really helps visualize the mechanics
modern brook
never never surrender
always surrender
modern brook
same
north rampart
I wouldn't want to press IV in dungeons that's for sure
why? does self heal not generate threat?
grand drum
Never ever never surrender
north rampart
i love it, make me feel like an absolute BOSS
modern brook
IV isnt bad
But it also is 10% less health and 1% less healing per 10 rage spent
and all you gain is a VR every 30s
north rampart
oh no 50% health what will i do, BAM 80% health, trash gunna die now baby. one of my fave parts of tanking
dense pivot
on staggered deaths I can imagine it being fun xD
grand drum
Vr is 1% hp per second average. Im pretty sure with indom you get the same or more hps
chilly brook
oh no 50% health what will i do, BAM 80% health, trash gunna die now baby. one o...
VR is basically bad
sweet summit
IV is very good DPR tho 👀
chilly brook
Yep
modern brook
Doesnt IV not cost rage?
chilly brook
Err excuse me
sweet summit
10
dense pivot
10?
chilly brook
IV is kinda bad
modern brook
oh
north rampart
and i can use it when i need it most, indom is like a hot that is never feel it there when i am standing in a puddle, or useless overhealing on trash, IV feel like a big life saver esp with lst stand / rally cry
chilly brook
VR is great
strong forum
Indom is insanely good in big pulls
modern brook
^
strong forum
IV is useless in those
grand drum
I saw that edit
chilly brook
and i can use it when i need it most, indom is like a hot that is never feel it ...
If you're not using IV every single time it's up it's completely worthless and that's ignoring that Indom does the same thing and also helps buff your EHP
And you can't waste indom
ashen gyro
^
chilly brook
It's much more valuable over the course of a dungeon
Things die often enough that you still have VR to hit
So wasting a talent point on IV is even more 5head
modern brook
^ yeah thats baiscally what im trying to say
You'll get like 2-3 vrs a dungeon at worst
strong forum
the only situation where IV is maybe beneficial is in raiding
sick sentinel
Sorry if this has been asked before, but does ravager proc signet of tormented kings if I spec into it?
strong forum
when theres 1 big chunk happening
strong forum
Sorry if this has been asked before, but does ravager proc signet of tormented k...
no
sick sentinel
Dammit, ok ty
uneven mason
Its many sads
plush pagoda
bolster still the play in m+?
modern brook
Bolster/AM
depending on key size
if you're having trouble maintaining block / need the defensive, bolsters the play
plush pagoda
tyvm
uneven mason
AM is the play only with Wall rite?
dense pivot
NO? WTF BLIZZ
strong forum
not even then
dense pivot
I want prot signet 😡
uneven mason
you can signet as prot
modern brook
Yeah AM exists soley for more damageavatar
uneven mason
u got Avatar
strong forum
feel it out brudda
turbid cargo
but that sub-1min shield wall tho
plush pagoda
UF not the play anymore?
strong forum
if you dont need the block from HR /Bolster you can absolutely play AM in raid
UF is dead
uneven mason
UF 🐴 💀
plush pagoda
sad times
strong forum
good times
strong forum
TC does fuckall dmg now
uneven mason
because some of us remember a time when TC was 👢 🍵 👏
sweet summit
i kinda wanna try UF/AM/StF/TGV but its probably still lackluster :/
modern brook
StF?
uneven mason
ITF?
strong forum
shit the fuck
modern brook
def shit the fuck
sweet summit
show the force
modern brook
nah shit the fuck
sweet summit
isnt that what its called
strong forum
na im pretty sure its shit the fuck
playin UF + show of force, means youd have to weave revenges into every TC
plush pagoda
stf is nice but revenge still does more dmg
sweet summit
ye
strong forum
during avatar thats gonna be SHIT
sweet summit
engaging rotation
plush pagoda
spear conduit much nicer
strong forum
so engaging that you hardly get to press revenge during avatar
modern brook
its show of force
strong forum
shit the fuck
modern brook
sweet summit
close tho
modern brook
STF garunteed shit the fuck
plush pagoda
confirmed
sweet summit
sure
modern brook
when i was like 12 i thought ftw was fuck the what
prime edge
Do we need the missivs for upgrade on leggo or just the base item?
turbid cargo
shit the fuck should have been the other way around
and stacking
sweet summit
THERE IT IS DUUDE!!!
pearl imp
Are u all goin with the demo shout legendarie in mythic plus?