freedom time
#protection
civic rover
civic rover
i am too
final hound
anywhere to view m+ prot guides? my friends say I need to kite trash mobs around more but I can’t really tell which packs I should be doing it for or if i’m even doing it properly
final mist
No real need to kite m0s
jagged pier
you wont need to kite until high keys so that a dumb statment
fallow mortar
its because she wants them off
civic rover
no
fallow mortar
D:
civic rover
if she wanted them off she would've just told me
she's the kind of person to be in a bathrobe until noon
sullen drift
can we craft rank 2 without crafting rank 1?
sweet summit
yeah
jagged pier
yep
maiden ravine
So, here's hoping I can do 10s at like 190 ilvl
sweet summit
ouch
maiden ravine
What's the scaling on +10 this season
ebon parcel
whats the best conduits for tanking mythics?
jagged pier
the covenant one
ebon parcel
what covenant one?
final mist
Assuming you’re Kyrian, the conduit that buffs Spear
ebon parcel
not kyrian im ventyr
jagged pier
hell get more out of the condemn one if he uses condemn than show of force
final mist
You shouldn’t use Condemn much
sweet summit
Doubt it
final mist
Get more mileage out of the Rev one
sweet summit
Harrowing is so bad and ye u rarely cobdemn in aoe
sweet summit
final mist
maiden ravine
On bear, protadin and vdh
burnt bluff
Does this boomer ass class ever get simmed
sweet summit
Tomorrow i believe
limpid pawn
yo serious question, is it me or is there a huge clash between the gamer community and the furries
sweet summit
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
strong forum
Pwar Sims are up on raidbots
limpid pawn
link
strong forum
Unless I simmed something else
sweet summit
Havent tried since theres nothing to compare :/
strong forum
I simmed close to 2.6k with the cube trinket
Cuz the one hymnal trinket isn't implemented
sweet summit
The WQ one?
west kayak
53 runs of SoA and I got mine...
limpid pawn
SoA SUCKS
grand drum
What endurance conduit are people gonna use next week?
strong forum
brutal vitality probably
atleast for m+
for raiding id use last stand or shieldwall
strong forum
me
limpid pawn
as prot war?
strong forum
me
jagged pier
me
final mist
I would be if I was raiding
hallow smelt
Me
civic rover
imagine raiding on monk
limpid pawn
so you guys waiting to craft the wall?
jagged pier
nope
strong forum
ill craft wall R2 on mythic week
jagged pier
ill craft rank 1 when i get recipe
ill only be 1 week behind ro rank 4
wont make a difference at our level of progress
strong forum
if you crafted R1 TGV already
you wont have enough mats to craft r1 next week
or do you plan on just having it at R1 nomatter when
jagged pier
its the next thing im crafting
limpid pawn
your guilds aren't bitching at you for going war?
jagged pier
no
strong forum
no
jagged pier
why would they?
tardy parcel
lol
strong forum
im MT and tanking officer
final mist
If you’re not a WF guild, your tank choice really doesn’t matter much
It’s player skill that matters
jagged pier
they know im better as prot warrior than i would be on monk because i know the class far better
uneven mason
Tank balance is so close together you couldn't fit a hair between them
but for monk
because there has to be a spec for the smoothbrains
strong forum
the only discernable difference will be utility, not survival
uneven mason
"2 buttons is too hard, lets remove one and see how they do"
final mist
Raid leads / officers care too much about class balance when they’re running shithole world 500 guilds that class choice doesn’t really make a difference in
cerulean quest
Main census is to wait for Wall rather than Thunderlord?
jagged pier
can do what you want really,
cerulean quest
I am a sheep Jakey.
jagged pier
in a few months it wont matter
like tbf it only really makes a difference if your pushing pushing content tbh, if your guild is slow at progress or doesnt even do mythic or wawiting till after christmas like mine is it dont matter
modern brook
Main census is to wait for Wall rather than Thunderlord?
the consensus has been to hold off on tlords until mythic tuning
limpid pawn
well IMO wars are a hair away from a balance change that will make them awesome in M+
modern brook
since thats when things matter
uneven mason
already going to be awesome in M+ but don't shout that too loud.
limpid pawn
basically if haste or uptime for shield block is improved i think they will be #1 again
jagged pier
we are fine in m+ we dont need balancing
raven dove
i went with thunderlords, because for M+ it just stands out clearly as the best
modern brook
no we suck 😉 please gib utility and 70% more UF damage on clap plz :^(
uneven mason
basically if haste or uptime for shield block is improved i think they will be #...
my god you mean when we can stop wearing blues?
raven dove
the wall is great and I'll pick it up too, but since I'll be focusing on tanking m+ kind of a given
uneven mason
Wall won't be bad in M+ by any stretch
jagged pier
we also dont know if raid leggos are 100% yet remeber
uneven mason
I remember when we could demo like, every 7 seconds
jagged pier
that was fun
limpid pawn
again i think wars are fine, but what i meant was something that will push them to #1 status
like right now, we are not #1 for M+
jagged pier
so?
jagged pier
that tanks are so close it doesnt matter
raven dove
#1 at launch always gets nerfed
final mist
Honestly, the tanks are so close it doesn’t matter
astral crystal
Damn, rank ~2100 guild just told me they “know for sure they wouldn’t want a warrior tank”
limpid pawn
homie this isn't a personal attack on you lol. I'm just saying things that would benefit the class
dense flame
Is a +14 even going to be reasonable without your party having leggos?
modern brook
#1 at launch always gets nerfed
rip dk
final mist
And on top of that
raven dove
I don't think we have any glaring weaknesses tanking m+ honestly
jagged pier
like why do we have to be #1 all the time
raven dove
slight bit of threat issue, but thunderlords helped my damage a ton
uneven mason
Damn, rank ~2100 guild just told me they “know for sure they wouldn’t want a war...
sounds like "We're so bad we need to pad with double BrM"
vocal bison
make that new Torghast talent baseline that sucks in adds everytime you TC
final mist
Since the spec requires a brain, and the vast majority of the player base doesn’t have one, buffs are coming for us sooner or later
vocal bison
boom
final mist
So
uneven mason
slight bit of threat issue, but thunderlords helped my damage a ton
Go rav, no more threat issue
dense flame
Or will you Likely to be doing it near the end of week after dungeon spam/heroic gear and shit.
modern brook
Since the spec requires a brain, and the vast majority of the player base doesn’...
inb4 they make shieldblock passive like thy did for ironskin :^)
uneven mason
Bull
raven dove
I would but with thunderlord lego no threat issues anymore, and better synergy
final mist
Honestly, passive buffs would be what they’d do
uneven mason
remember that Never Surrender buff that wasn't really
raven dove
pre thunderlords, yeah ravager probably would've helped a ton
final mist
Like the armor buffs in early bfa
hallow smelt
It’s simple ~ warrior is a little more difficult in m+ but a good warrior is just as good as any other tank. Other classes just have lower skill cap right now.
dense flame
Sucks cause a lot of ppl aren’t using leggo.
astral crystal
sounds like "We're so bad we need to pad with double BrM"
I’m just beside myself that they would even say that... what the fuck are they expecting will happen, that they’d lose rank?
modern brook
I dont remember anything i play a strength spec
final mist
I have one mode: forward and SS/TCing
raven dove
spell reflect can do some nice bullshit right now too
modern brook
i have a very literal 1 inteligence.
final mist
modern brook
the absolute only thing holding prot back in its current state is haste levels
which will go up as we get gear
limpid pawn
100%
raven dove
yeah
limpid pawn
haste will fix it a lot
limpid pawn
3 blocks, last stand, then 3 more blocks will be nic
vocal bison
limpid pawn
but last stand not coming back sooner is bad
like the AM nerf and not using AM for bolster
modern brook
if u still need a shiedlblock after 6 shieldblocks and a last stand
limpid pawn
but yeah getting to 3 SB in a row will make it a ton better
sweet summit
^
limpid pawn
shield wall/trinket can fill that tho
modern brook
Especially in SL where verything and its mother fucking casts
I dont think theresa single boss with 18s of uninterupted auto attacks
limpid pawn
um... i pug with ragnaros and azralons
astral crystal
Kite is for damage
modern brook
yeah trash shouldnt be lasting longer than like 90s at worst
limpid pawn
don't attack their DPS they can only do so mcuh
raven dove
no need to kite with superior NF aftershock
astral crystal
Spear is for damage*
raven dove
just fucking crush everything
uneven mason
um... i pug with ragnaros and azralons
WTF is wrong with you
limpid pawn
I want to practice my spanish and portuguese so i only pug with those players
vocal bison
if you spear right at beginning of pull, then you use 51 sec of mitigation, plus shield wall, then leap, you can then use spear again to give you more time for mitigation to come up
1 min cd is nice
limpid pawn
don't you guys miss verse corruptions
jagged pier
vers corruption XD
sick sentinel
thudnerlord on feet or hands?
vocal bison
I had a TD8 set and a max vers set, it was amazing
sick sentinel
ty
sweet summit
don't you guys miss verse corruptions
modern brook
Im very happy that corruption happened
But im also very happy its gone.
it was dopey and fun; but it was also very very stupid.
sweet summit
Only fun part about corruption was ineffable ravager
modern brook
we like to parry
limpid pawn
verse x7 IT x 2
limpid pawn
but need to do a 14
mellow patio
10 14s or no balls
ionic fern
Idk how DPS players PuG.
I get declined from EVERYTHING on my boomy.
modern brook
you gotta do 10 14s 😬
ionic fern
The patience they must have,..
modern brook
Idk how DPS players PuG.
I get declined from EVERYTHING on my boomy.
this is why im happy with my 3kio despite it being fucking meaningless cause of corruption :^)
still pagoda
Idk how DPS players PuG.
I get declined from EVERYTHING on my boomy.
feels ToS fury man
had the same cold streak back in these days
ember inlet
Daaamn
still pagoda
when everyone wanted arms despite fury giving almost the same numbers
ember inlet
So we can start m+ tomorrow already ? :O
modern brook
freedom isnt free atticus
astral crystal
True
vocal bison
ThAnK u FoR uR cErVix
leaden steeple
are we gonna also see balance changes tomorrow or next week
uneven mason
wat balance for prot?
surreal stump
im pretty sure he/she meant over all
fallow mortar
I just want to see buffs to our shitty legendaries so I can complain about having choices
astral crystal
Prot is probably gonna be neglected since the spotlight is on pally and vdh
strong forum
are we gonna also see balance changes tomorrow or next week
theres a good chance yes, heroic and mythic week often get alot of tuning changes
astral crystal
When it comes to perception and execution
strong forum
the 2 things that wouldnt surprise me would be:
- prot gets neglected
- prot gets overbuffed
astral crystal
Please god 2
strong forum
ye id be fine with neglect
vocal bison
i sometimes have to use shield block, plz buff vanguard, k thx
fallow mortar
200% of str 👀
vocal bison
hehe
somber sky
brudders, I have the misfortune of being a degenerate venthyr prot warrior. How bad does it look for me?
strong forum
you die IRL once you cast condemn in aoe
somber sky
speaking of which, the only aoe conduit I have is show of force. The rest are for condemn ;-;
ionic fern
Take Show of Force - don't take COndemn. 🙂
formal river
In venthyr prot. They are just upset at how manly condemn makes of feel
strong forum
if youre venthyr you only have dogshit potency conduits
formal river
Us
fallow mortar
only endurance and finess conduits for venthyr, lets go 😮
also, what is a k value?
strong forum
the thing that makes armor and block weaker depending on instance type
and prevents armor and block from scaling infinitely (ignoring the armor cap)
fallow mortar
so when the armor reaches a certain number, past that the values are useless?
strong forum
no
thats a different DR
K value is a hidden multiplier inside the armor and block Damage reduction calculation
strong forum
that varies based on instance type
somber sky
Alright I'll pick up show of force ;-;
chilly brook
No
Bfa talent build is dead
Let it die
You have less survivability and less damage
somber sky
:C I've been going the current talent route and it just hurts to press 3 gcd's before TC
chilly brook
It's just worse
Thunderclap is just an aoe rage gain and a chance to reset shield slam
Revenge is goat
somber sky
oh is dragon roar big? I've still been using booming voice
jagged pier
no BV is still best
jagged pier
me
undone jacinth
u got a grp?
jagged pier
also me
radiant lintel
do we know affixes
strong forum
a pepega group, but a group
undone jacinth
god bless
strong forum
i hope its not the affixes that rio bot showed
jagged pier
guild group so it retarded but should be fine
pearl imp
me
pearl imp
I'm starting with 184 il
somber sky
Pog big
strong forum
dude I don't have a group ;-; my group dissolved ;-;
youre only supposed to tank crush, not dissolve... smh
vocal bison
i cried a bit when i saw it - tyran, raging, quake
vocal bison
it kind of makes sense though that we would get screwed on week 1
idk, feel like it's standard blizz
strong forum
theres 2 possibilities
A: its Tyra Raging on next week
B: its Tyra Raging current reset
meaning tomorrow on NA reset, itll start Fort Week X
or C: none of the above
ionic fern
I'm gonna pug the hell out of m+. 👀
strong forum
im gonna pug the hell out of play m+ on weekend
i wish i could go ham, but work ykno
marsh shale
Pug it is, mates still have low ilvl
vocal bison
same, i only get weeknights at this point then i can go full force on weekends
open monolith
Huh. Maybe I was wrong and the vast majority of players DO metachase
open monolith
But they probably shouldnt because they aren't good enough for it to matter lol
strong forum
yeah but they dont know that
open monolith
True.
still pagoda
ye id be fine with neglect
at that point, i'm fine with neglect of both prot warri and the whole situation i'm in
strong forum
no thoughts, head empty
vocal bison
relatively the prot warrior mog for necro must be strong
still pagoda
https://www.wowhead.com/news=319716/covenant-choice-popularity-for-shadowlands-d...
metachase but scuffed metachase
vocal bison
considering how potato the ability is
uneven mason
relatively the prot warrior mog for necro must be strong
Its Draka
still pagoda
_Healers have some of the least diverse Covenant choice options out of all the specs. Restoration Druid has a massive 87.65% of players as Night Fae, and Holy Paladins also has a massive 89% of players as Kyrian. This is likely due to the strength of these Covenant abilities for their spec, Convoke the Spirits and Divine Toll compared to the rest of the Covenant abilities.
_
and another application declined
still pagoda
leaden steeple
Necrolord 2,090 8.72%, well only buffs coming for us one could assume
still pagoda
fuck, at that point
guess i will be looking for a place to call home at last for a really long time
hallow phoenix
Are the covenant armors still bound by covenant once you've unlocked them? Say if I unlock venthyr plate on an alt, can I wear it on a Night Fae character?
still pagoda
another tier with no constant guild and getting screwed
still pagoda
4 years in a row. All the time since i've started raiding in WoW
astral crystal
i was riding steady til we cleared BoD and the guild died when CoS released because raiders were being babies
still pagoda
i've been on almost all different WR's and in types of guilds
astral crystal
they were ~burnt out~ from jaina and didnt want to get CoS CE
so a lot of our guys left
why they do dis mane
still pagoda
my problem is different
well, i got burnt out multiple times because of all of this shit
imagine if one guild you've been in dies
you are searching for a new one
since you're playing on RU servers, you get only 4 nights/week guilds around you and no other way around at the moment
you will get a huge burnout
and i did
and now all this shit since April
"meta this, S tier that"
i want to stop this almost always meaningless endless search already
just ground myself in one cozy guild and steadily progress with it towards bigger and bigger heights
strong forum
and thats why im nto leaving my shit guild
astral crystal
yeah 4 nights is rough honestly
still pagoda
and thats why im nto leaving my shit guild
well, you've been with them from the beginning
strong forum
gonna turn this sorry ass of a guild into Nurfed EU
still pagoda
and i didn't have any guild i would call that way
still pagoda
i'm becoming toxic as fuck at that point
strong forum
and it kinda worked out, since i dont care about world ranking
still pagoda
just want to get out of this circle
strong forum
besides my parses
still pagoda
and it kinda worked out, since i dont care about world ranking
you guys just push with no regards
and no seat belts
still pagoda
still pagoda
who cares for seatbelts in M+?
ONLY PUSSIES
well, in raids too
no seatbelts. We be executing no sink on inerva
but tbh, i'm not going to give up on the search
maybe i will finally get what i want
in a year, maybe two
worldly ember
i wish you the best!
meanwhile all gas no brakes
or whatever the youngin' says nowadays
still pagoda
live hard, die fast, ready for the fight!
formal river
Play some cyberpunk. Detox from wow
still pagoda
still pagoda
Play some cyberpunk. Detox from wow
Medieval Cyberpunk you mean?
been chilling with witcher 3 as of lately
worldly ember
^^
still pagoda
i go play PoE or D3 when people get too tier listy
especially when there's a new PoE league around
worldly ember
same for me with poe
formal river
PoE is too spammy for me
still pagoda
well, my first D3 season after 4 years was really fun last month
formal river
I look at builds and get confused
worldly ember
i grind a 100 get burned out and play something else like tarkov/destiny or wow lol
formal river
That's a good rotation
formal river
I still.olay a lot of d2
still pagoda
worldly ember
i just hit like season pass lvl 212 or something
still pagoda
i already had enough time to get my brain melted by endless sweet business spam i've committed in Season 9
worldly ember
the raid is alot of fun to me playing with my wife too so thats even more fun i guess
hahah
pallid pine
Is maldraxx crap for prot? aesthetically I like it the most
formal river
You'll be fine unless you're speedrunning @pallid pine
Its behind kyrian and nightfae bit it doent prohibit you from anything
pallid pine
ha awesome
still pagoda
hahah
it was actually lots of fun playing pvp with actium war rig and masterworked sweet business
endless spray of lead in doorways and narrow corridors
worldly ember
it was actually lots of fun playing pvp with actium war rig and masterworked swe...
hahah yep now 120 RPM handcannon are back in the meta quite a bit
still pagoda
STURM???
worldly ember
yep
still pagoda
wasn't it 110...
worldly ember
buffed to 120 now
still pagoda
still pagoda
worldly ember
hahahha dem memes
formal river
Storm Brightblade? From Dragonlance?
north silo
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ä#
elder cosmos
How many spires runs to get the leggo? Im at 33 heroic runs and nothing 😦
formal river
First mythic. Is that what you wanted to hear?
vocal bison
2 mythics, 11 normals, 3 heroics (dropped on 3rd heroic)
wary swallow
I had similar numbers to arathel
strong forum
2 mythic 1 heroic
astral crystal
i did like 20 runs combined, dropped from the first normal of the day after they changed the lockout frequency
vocal bison
oi
grand drum
2 mythic, <10 heroic
crisp dragon
whats best for prot, oils or sharpening stone?
west kayak
I did 53 runs in SoA before I got mine and the next day they announce the drop rate increase... hehe
formal river
I was lazy and did my mythic SoA on Saturday.
Lesson learned. The early bird is a dumbass
noble cipher
sand condor
Has anyone played with the revenge legendary yet?
And is it as sad and bad as expected
formal river
It's my first crafted Lego because it goes brrrrrrrrrrr
But its undoubtedly weaker than thunderlord and the wall
sand condor
No dps edge in dungeons if used right?
formal river
It still feels awesome for current content.
Oh its more damage but you get hit a lot harder
Having demo up a lot less
And losing BV for rage gen too
But my meters are sick brah
sand condor
Single target dps go brrrr
Here comes the question to answer that.
What faction/race do you play
sand condor
Ah. My alliance warriors is a fatman too.
The pact is sealed. Venthyr Revenge Leggo KT Warriors.
We shall have great tea parties.
formal river
And have many a healer bitch about our damage taken while we link dps meters
sand condor
There’s no such thing as vers
Never heard of that stat
(Are people like us the reason people are unhappy witg warriors)
formal river
I dont hear anything of that sort.
merry elbow
What do people mean when they refer to bfa build? AM and UF?
formal river
Cant hear over my logs. They need to press their buttons better.
formal river
All the tclap talents plus leggo
sand condor
And Am. Yeah
formal river
Its a semi nerfed end of BFa build style
sand condor
Or last stand for the extra defensive
merry elbow
What should I be running instead for M+? I figured that talent build would make the best use of thunderlord
formal river
If going for efficiency yeah. BV avatar talent thunderlords crackling thunder etc
Or w/e the tclap talents are called
So you can spam demo for rage and take less dmg
sand condor
There’s two options
merry elbow
Thats what Ive been doing but Im also reading people say thats not ideal in higher keys
sand condor
Eityer you go big clapper
Or you go burst dps
With the dragon roar + ravager
At least that’s what I last heard
formal river
You arent playing the revenge talent?????
sand condor
(As i’ve been playing prot pally)
merry elbow
Ive been tempted to play my prot pally but the spec just feels kind of boring to me
But then again its the most played tank so maybe Im in the minority
sand condor
I play it because I enjoy shield slapping in aoe
And because i wanted to fresh thijg to learn while keeping my warrior up to date
merry elbow
AS is a fun ability for sure and I miss the ranged interrupt when playing my war
formal river
I'm liking BDK a lot. Maybe its because I can actually go necro on it
sand condor
Lol I got a bdk ready to lvl as well xD
formal river
It's my favorite BG spec. Most people just ignore you and you can do some insane spread damage in flag fights.
Chains are cool
civic rover
i've probably played more unholy than blood recently lol
civic rover
i just press cooldowns and watch DAMEJ
formal river
Unholy blight, abomb limb, outbreak, dark transformation, unholy frenzy, festering strike, apocalypse OK NOW GET READY FOR THE DEEPS
:)
formal river
Every. Time.
strong forum
unholy is not balanced bros
but atleast we have 1 good melee spec in the game
followed by 10 ranged specs
formal river
I've seen good unholys do double the second dps numbers in BGs
I tip my cap. They are better players than me
still pagoda
strong forum
the absolute state
of tank trinkets
you have a trinket from 2019, literally 2 raid tiers ago
vs whatever the other thing is
sick sentinel
i'll make a WA for it and if it doesn't do crap replace it asap lol
sick sentinel
i, didn't know what to do with my old trinkets so i deleted or sold all of them
strong forum
now you learned the hard way
to not do that 😄
LPS is still OMEGA strong
but if you wanna replace both LPS and Indomitable
farm the hakkar trinket
sick sentinel
no vita or lps
strong forum
even the HC version will slap
sick sentinel
but i had pretty much everything else
strong forum
just get this trinket
and replace your indomitable
its very good
in aoe it can be >25k absorb
vocal bison
can't wait for the M15 version
sick sentinel
Can’t wait for that in PvP
vocal bison
that 2 piece verse buff going to be hard to overcome
strong forum
yes
strong forum
the 2piece set is mandatory in pvp
vocal bison
the 2piece set is mandatory in pvp
will be good for world bosses too XD
vocal bison
i might actually beat some dps single target with 40% more verse though, hehe
sick sentinel
strong forum
40% of 10% is still only 14%
sick sentinel
i restored all of those
strong forum
well theyre all pretty meh, except maybe bandages
but like i said, just do de other side and grind hakkar
that trinket on heroic is gonna serve you pretty well already
sick sentinel
do i need to be first in portal to soak a melee from the ghost thing
strong forum
where in the what now
sick sentinel
final
strong forum
they dont spawn unless youre giga late
also your group should split up
they also dont do melee dmg
sick sentinel
oh, i don't quite understand the fight, we killed it but yeah
strong forum
the fight is omega easy
just dodge everything
then split up for your portals
kill guys
dodge there aswell
sick sentinel
i got the 1 shot first time, rest of the dungeons ez pz, blood place is a joke
still pagoda
sanguine depth is still a pretty fun dungeon
strong forum
ye it seems like a relatively easy dungeon for now
sanguine depths is gonna be horrifying on tyrannical
legit death
sick sentinel
yeah, i dunno, gunna stick to + 0
don't need to worry about timer any more, ain't for me cheif
sick sentinel
yup, not worth heat attack or anyeurism *sp?
timber dagger
any thoughts on talents in m+
strong forum
the guides have it pretty much covered
nothing fancy
2 builds, theres the BFA build for lower content where stuff doesnt hurt
and ravager+Bolster for stuff that actually can hurt
strong forum
Wdym
Like, sure bfa build is dead with the omega talent synergy overload
But...once you're used to it, it aint that bad
elder cosmos
Vers > mast I think
civic rover
haste>>vers>=crit>mastery
chilly brook
Like, sure bfa build is dead with the omega talent synergy overload
It's also dead because its strictly worse for keeping aggro
nocturne marlin
We can craft our lego on two different pieces right? We should Chose not the bis Item because our lego got the stats WE are choosing. Is that true? :)
still pagoda
We can craft our lego on two different pieces right? We should Chose not the bis...
Long story short: choice of slot for legendary comes down to stat budget of the piece
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Ignoring what your alternative items are for each slot, here's a rule of thumb for legendary crafting slot selection:
Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders
= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak
This is generally going to be the most bang for your buck out of the extra ilvl, with some variance on the relative value of jewelry depending on what you are optimizing for._
again, pulling from buddies in BDK chat
still pagoda
even with items from last 2 bosses of mythic
as you get both shoulders and cape from stone legion generals
and there's no boots, neither there are gloves
and shoulders from generals have horrendous stats
so you're better of placing The Wall on shoulders
nocturne marlin
Agree
open monolith
Blizzard: releases new content on Tuesday
Also Blizzard: 8 hour maintenance on Tuesday
?????
still pagoda
Blizzard: releases new content on Tuesday
Also Blizzard: 8 hour maintenance on ...
only 2 hours for EU
turbid cargo
Blizzard announces 4 hour maintenance today
Also blizzard: servers never actually go down
worthy ingot
Still can't decide on trinkets for raid tomorrow night
frosty scarab
Cant wait to play some M+ on the warr. To put it through the paces. Gear is as good as it could be i guess, apart from 1 trinket being blue😂
spiral solar
I'm taking darkmoon card and decanter of anima charged winds
fallow mortar
👀 panzerkuh
elder cosmos
brutal vitality the best way to go ?
fallow mortar
inspiring presence is fine
and disturb the peace is great for m+ if your group does not have much in the way of cc
spiral solar
im taking brutal vitality
rain dune
So reading up a bit was making Thunderlord a mistake?
quartz mist
For M+ i dont believe so
still pagoda
no
quartz mist
Raiding will be the wall
still pagoda
it is not really up to nerfs after what was already done during the beta cycle
and it is still your best legendary for M+
rain dune
I was reading what you were saying actually Karton
About the Thunderclap build being dead. I plan on raiding with the Wall IF I get it
still pagoda
About the Thunderclap build being dead. I plan on raiding with the Wall IF I ge...
Thunderlord is a a good legendary without BfA build
let that build die and hand over the leggo
plain glen
but we all secretly want to spend all our effort on leaper right?
still pagoda
still pagoda
legendary doesn't have more stats than mythic loot until r4 th o
you won't see much mythic loot until later into the raid tho
and yeah, R3 is 225 ilvl
stable hare
Leap Gang
still pagoda
R4 is 235
distant crystal
gonna feel weird when you get a 226 in your legendary slot from the first GV :kekw:
aw fuck no nitro bye
sterile grotto
Can someone suggest what ideal professions would be if I plan on focusing on m+? Currently have jc and bs. Considering alch and ench
fallow mortar
you will need a gathering profession unless you don't care about schilling out a whole bunch of cash
sterile grotto
Ye I have a druid farmer with herbalism and mining
fallow mortar
then you are set with what you need to be self suffucient outside fo being a scribe for the missives
gritty pivot
There's no real benefit to any professions at all without BoP gear now, just pick whatever you don't have on alts for gold purposes tbh.
Maybe alch for the two hour flasks and save your guild some moolah.
fallow mortar
are you asking in whether or not the trinket is good?
dawn imp
think 30%+ haste with HR is worth running? been interesting playing around with ItF
sweet summit
HR is bad in dungeons because its RNG, you can controll SS resets
Dont know where 30% is comming from
unique shale
guys i think unbreakable will is op for raiding is it ?
dawn imp
21% base haste + into the fray
sweet summit
No sir, you want "The Wall" for raidimg
dawn imp
probably just meme but it's been neat running around with it
unique shale
The Wall and unbreakable will are both good combo for raid
your party have 50% damage reduction all time
worthy grail
Devestator for mythics ?
steel mauve
not really, shield wall has a pretty long cd and most of the time you would use it an ability happens several times a fight, where as you would maybe get 2 shield walls off per fight, which also takes it away from you to use as your strongest personal defensive option\
unique shale
Not entire raid
so it doesn't work on raid group ?
sweet summit
No, only party
unique shale
rip
steel mauve
plus its not 50% DR for the party, its half effective, so the damage reduction is only 25% for every one else
unique shale
it was fun if we could use unbreakable will on raid group with 50% DR
shy blaze
Guys the below spells are our "oh shit" abilities, but when shit hits the fan, which one do you use first, or do you just push them all?
- last stand
-commanding shout
-Shield wall
I know its a weird question and perhaps not asked properly but im a noob
golden pollen
rallying cry->last stand, gets u alot of hp
sweet summit
We do not have oh shit buttons
Maybe you can say last stand if youre not talented into bolster?
Shield wall and last stand (with bolster) are used actively and proactively
Rally is a bit of a mix, sometimes proactive, sometimes reactive
sturdy sable
Yeah cooldowns should be planned when you use them not "im bout to die better hit this"
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and all that
patent knot
I dunno I like having one for flexibility... otherwise planned.
hallow phoenix
But if you are about to die and have them, last stand and SW are off the gcd
Leap is usually a better option
Which is also off gcd
patent knot
LEap away fuck the rest!
hallow phoenix
Shadowmeld
sturdy sable
Just let all your melee tank a few hits for you
patent knot
Infact let them charge in first as a lesson
glad ridge
sturdy sable
Seems high
dawn imp
my certificate of tanking says otherwise
patent knot
Nah you don't have to be bossy and late is relative.
dawn imp
jus' sayin'
patent knot
mmmm which school is that from?
shy blaze
For real, leaping away is a thing?
Like I can leap back into my ranged dps and breathe for a couple of seconds
dawn imp
don't see why not
shy blaze
it makes sense but im afraid to "bring the fight" right into my healer and ranged dps' faces
know what i mean? #noobthoughts
patent knot
Most people can adjust in a cluster from what i've seen. I used to heal and if the tank was coming my way I was moving.
shy blaze
ok i see
sturdy sable
If you feel like your dropping just leap away and kite
Good way to build block charges back
robust summit
Man I was really looking forward to to this xpac being the first one where I could go full force into m+ only
But it looks like I have to raid to unlock the stuff from raid
shy blaze
If you feel like your dropping just leap away and kite
this is vey interesting. I will add this to my arsenal of abilities. Ill practice tonight
civic rover
this is vey interesting. I will add this to my arsenal of abilities. Ill practic...
hardest thing for me to learn as a tank is sometimes the best thing to do is just run the fuck away
shy blaze
hardest thing for me to learn as a tank is sometimes the best thing to do is jus...
i know right. seems counter-intuitive but also intuitive. haha
best way to avoid damage is to not be there when the damage comes
junior flume
Hey , does anyone know the website that has the new dungeons info for tanks on mythic plus? I thought I had it favorited but didn't
junior flume
YOU ARE AWESOME
sick sentinel
which items are people prioritizing to make their legendaries? or doesnt matter?
like which gear slot
gusty sundial
Prot Fury, new meta
shy blaze
Prot Fury, new meta
gief 1 handed titan grip for prot
vocal bison
haughty meteor
I've been goofin around on my newly dinged prot warrior. I've not played prot in ages. I did find initial aggro to be kiiinda iffy compared to the other tanks ive played. The only snap/always hit pop ability is Thunder Clap but I usually lose aggro on a few mobs before the GCD is even done. Yeah, I know. DPS can wait 1 GCD etc etc but that is not how the cookie crumbles.
What are your starter "rotations" for picking up new packs? Do you rotate CDs inbetween packs. Like Avatar, Kyrian Spear, Demo Shout -> Revenge Spam.
I find that leaving myself vulnerable for the first few seconds to dump all rage into revenge gets the work done. But going into harder content will that get me KO'd?
(I am kinda undergeared compared to the group. Hunters / DHs are main culprits)
quaint sparrow
@haughty meteor You plan on doing m+ as prot warrior ?
sterile plover
doing m+ as prot/necrolord tomorrow, im a masochist
fringe marten
Yup.
sick sentinel
Anyone got some good Mythic Dungeon Tool routes yet? Or too early?
sterile plover
what are we running for mythic plus tomorrow, the ravager variant or the thunderclappin build
sterile plover
i got a guardian, prot pally, and prot warrior geared out in mythic dungeon gear... prot warrior is by far the roughest
jagged pier
then your playing it wrong all tanks are very close
sterile plover
yea i think i am, i have trouble maintaing the rotation perfectly
its harder for sure
sweet summit
Sorry but if you actually mean by far, youre most likely playing wrong
The difference between tanks are not that big
jagged pier
whats your build / rotation are you trying to do?
jagged pier
well thats one issue right there
sterile plover
yea i gotta get better
sweet summit
Log your m+ runs if you do em as warr, link here and ping me
slate escarp
if prot warrior is difficult for you, you must have a heart attack on brewmaster
jagged pier
if your capping rage your probably not using revnge or mitigation enough
what brewmaster is fuking snooze fest
sterile plover
its the little things i keep messing up, like hitting shield block twice, letting rage cap, etc... need to get gud here
but guard druid, i cant possible mess that up lol
ill get better, i like the warrior more
sterile plover
really?
sweet summit
Yes
slate escarp
your main rage dumps are off the gcd so it just seems like you haven't got used to the spec yet
sterile plover
shoot i know so little lol
slate escarp
it's not a novelty whatsoever
sterile plover
im gonna try this ravager build out now, thx for the pointers
slate escarp
prot warrior does require a bit more brain power than guardian druid, but it's still relatively straight forward
quaint sparrow
Problem is building up rage is a bit more difficult i think
and i can see that being a bigger problem when ur doing m+ keys
sweet summit
Rage is not an issue, esp not when you get TGV
haughty meteor
<@!155678680742363137> You plan on doing m+ as prot warrior ?
I'm gonna do both m+ and raids.
jagged pier
yer isnt a rage issue aslong as you dont spam it all away
haughty meteor
I'm not about switching between 4 tanks depening on meta either. I just picked warriors and trynga make it work as best I can.
urban quartz
brutal vitality finally showed up on WQ at 158...
quaint sparrow
I disagree @sweet summit Rage is an issue cause once u built enough rage to dumpt it on IP or SB ur still screwed cause packs eats right through ur IP like it was nothing
especially if ur going through higher keys
jagged pier
im sorry savage if your have rage issues your spamming too much
sweet summit
We get access to an endurance conduit this week, and brutal vitality there will help with IP getting eaten away
And really, i havent had any rage issues either
earnest lava
Only rage issues I have currently is when I'm spamming revenge in m0 cause I don't need defensive and trying to dps more to speed things up
urban quartz
revenge to also generate threat!
quaint sparrow
It feels way stiffer cause u have to manage ur rage differently
haughty meteor
Ignoring the doomsayers. How bad off are we comapred to the rest of the tanky boys?
jagged pier
oh wait we have to think about what we are doing again, instead of just spam TC and have BOM cover bad play
i like having to think
we arent bad off at all
quaint sparrow
We are bad lol
jagged pier
if you think prot warrior is bad im sorry your playing the class wrong
earnest lava
@haughty meteor guess we'll see more this week with m+ and raid, but right now m0 is ezmode content
quaint sparrow
well i've been only doing 1700 keys last expac as prot warrior
idk
i can tell the difference and its bad imo
jagged pier
tank balance is so small it doesnt matter atm
prot warrior is no longer a free spec that covers for you with traits and essences
it probably the hardest tank to play right now
so if your playing it wrong, you will feel very squishy
haughty meteor
<@155678680742363137> guess we'll see more this week with m+ and raid, but right...
That is true m0 really says little. If we are as bad as SavageClass says. Will we stay like that for long? You longtime Warriors, how has it been historically?
sterile plover
im in a mythic right now, running ravager/bolster... goodness i wish i tried this earlier, the dmg is nice at start and i have a nice defense cd
dont feel so squishy
bronze lagoon
does/should signet legendary cast ravager instead of bladestorm?
shy blaze
im in a mythic right now, running ravager/bolster... goodness i wish i tried thi...
its only better on trash tho
quaint sparrow
Bolster or AM is good
jagged pier
@bronze lagoon it casts baldestorm, ravager does porc it ither
its a very very bad leggo fro us
quaint sparrow
AM with Booming + Thunderlord legendary is perfect
bronze lagoon
damn unfortunate
jagged pier
its only better on trash tho
thats wrong is good for m+ in general its good rage gen and good sb mitigation with bolster helping cover the gaps on ST or AOE
jagged pier
AM with Booming + Thunderlord legendary is perfect
you take AM in lower content the moment it gets higher you want bolster to cover the SB gaps
mellow patio
Bolster will be mandatory for meaningful content
urban quartz
I've been playing this class since Season 4 BFA and now in SL and it doesnt feel bad to me.
wheat sleet
I was planning on playing fury but I've been trying some prot recently for faster dungeon queues and it's honestly pretty fun! I think I prefer it over DPSing.
Now, do you guys think my covenant choice being venthyr matters a lot? I realize that kyrian/night fae is better for prot, but how much of an impact do these abilites have?
mellow patio
Condemn is not a good button for prot
jagged pier
depends if you plan on pushing high keys
its fine for ST
but keys its dogshit
wrapped in pigshit
wheat sleet
so I'm guessing I should switch if I want to main prot then?
sterile plover
im running necrolord on my warrior its painful... but the i like the covenant... im putting my faith in blizzard that they'll rework/change it
mellow patio
Covenant isn’t going to make or break anything for 90% of players
Play what you want
wheat sleet
I do kinda doubt I'll be doing super high keys any time soon, yeah
pretty new to retail in general so I've been learning all this new stuff as I've progressed through the expansion
prime edge
Is there any protection warriors here on NA servers that will be tanking m+ instances today and push keys?
quaint sparrow
@jagged pier Exactly why i said AM or bolster is good
jagged pier
sense probably
prime edge
I would love to see if one of u guys stream or anything to tune in ^^
jagged pier
sense is /snse and @strong forum does as well
I would send you to mine but i hardly stream and i suck compared to thoughs 2
so hit them up
mellow patio
Lots of folks streaming
sweet summit
Hawgz stream when
jagged pier
erga stream when
mellow patio
I have to mute the apes if I stream
mellow patio
Fire it up I’ll give that a follow
prime edge
i would tune in Erga, can i get a link? :
jagged pier
wanna see thoughs keybindings in action
mellow patio
I might stream just to show off my click box
wheat sleet
I'd be interested in watching as well
mellow patio
They want to learn from the yellow name
prime edge
Well, EU or NA i would still watch it to improve my skills to 🙂
mellow patio
They crave your knowledge
sweet summit
Huge venthyr prot in action
jagged pier
😮
wheat sleet
pog
mellow patio
That’s an alpha move I can respect it
jagged pier
i would stream my raids but like hawgz would have to mute the apes
wheat sleet
you should be able to just remove the audio from anything but wowin whatever program you use to stream, no?
sweet summit
If i stream raids its dps pov 🤷
mellow patio
DPS
sweet summit
😔
sweet summit
Eyir give hawgz a sock
mellow patio
Eyir socks
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
mellow patio
I am free
jagged pier
Eyir cocks
gilded tendonBOT
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @mellow patio
mellow patio
Stop that
sweet summit
Eyir rocks
gilded tendonBOT
thank u @sweet summit
sweet summit
😳
wheat sleet
btw, any good detailed resource on prot stat prios? And do you guys use any tool to compare item upgrades other than the big ol pink squishy?
quaint sparrow
Stat prio is Haste versa
wheat sleet
how much does dps matter for prot tho compared to survivability?
sweet summit
There are no stat caps to worry about
wheat sleet
ah ok
jagged pier
cant be hurt if mobs are dead
sweet summit
More dps is always good
wheat sleet
we smart
sweet summit
Vast majority of survivability comes from playing correctly
cobalt grove
Proper shield block usage is the key to success
urban quartz
When does M+ open for the US people?
sweet summit
After the weekly reset id guess?
strong forum
Whenever the servers are back up after reset 👍
urban quartz
Ah so 3pm UTC?
wheat sleet
Does setting loot spec to prot mean you'll get gear with mostly versatility or do they actually update it according to stat prios/weights?