of course
#protection
stark ruin
jagged pier
you only really used revenge when it proc'd or you had too much rage in bfa, now its less rage cost and it our main dps ability so you need to use basically
dense flame
Is TC really that insignificant now?
stark ruin
it's terrible
jagged pier
you still want to try and use it on cd especally with TGV
but its not our threat generator
sweet summit
You still want to slap tc for rage and esp with tgv
spiral cobalt
Hi guys, am I wrong for trying to aim for my HP to always be at 100% in mythic or am I stressing myself too much? I notice my healers are always on full mana
stark ruin
you don't need to be at 100%
jagged pier
your health will always never be at 100% tbh, your only job is to avoid big spikes
you want to smooth the damage intake
stark ruin
go play some monk, you'll get used to not being on 100%, ever 🙂
kindred crypt
Tbf, monk is boring
jagged pier
not if you mega pull, it pretty fun then
spiral cobalt
So I'm usually hovering at around 70%?
jagged pier
and thats a problem because?
spiral cobalt
Sorry guys I am trying to get into tanking and I think I have some psychological issues
I am asking if I should stay at 70%
jagged pier
if you stay above 0 its all good
stark ruin
you're fine on 1 hp if you don't take damage
strong forum
As long as you don't die and your healer doesn't struggle, everything is fine
jagged pier
^^
infact most tanks, not prot warrior want to actually take big chunks of damage so they can heal it back because thats how they work
spiral cobalt
infact most tanks, not prot warrior want to actually take big chunks of damage s...
Yes I know dks Are like this
spiral cobalt
As long as you don't die and your healer doesn't struggle, everything is fine
So what is the exact metric by which I can measure if my healer is struggling?
jagged pier
its not just dks, vengance, paladin druid can all heal back damage
if hes not going boom every pull spam healing you/ your not taking more damage than he can heal
stark ruin
also, some healers might tell you if you should maybe take less damage
spiral cobalt
if hes not going boom every pull spam healing you/ your not taking more damage t...
So he he ooms every 3 pulls is that acceptable
stark ruin
or shout at you to pull more so there's stuff to heal
jagged pier
i mean right now they will probably go oom at some point as long as its not like every pull its okay
like they way they changed how drinking works makes it harder for healers to stay topped
spiral cobalt
Ok it seems I've been overusing my active mitigation because every healer i had last night was sitting at 90% mana or above
jagged pier
well what difficulty are you doing?
spiral cobalt
only m0
jagged pier
well yer they do now damage
but its down to pull size as well if you do like one pack at a time
theres literally now danger every
if you pull like @strong forum or me where you do more packs in one a healer will have to use more mana
spiral cobalt
Thank you for the response s Jakey
and all
Any streamers you recommend for me to watch and learn? prot wars
jagged pier
@strong forum or sense
I would say me but i hardly do it and they are both better than me
strong forum
So what is the exact metric by which I can measure if my healer is struggling?
When he tells you
jagged pier
nowah when he streams prot i guess
spiral cobalt
Ok noted, do i just search ur names on twitch?
still pagoda
if not years
earnest lava
i use Elvui and need advice on how to manage aggro/threat .. my plates change colour slightly but it's not clear and/or accurate. Someone recommended Plater, but i'm getting on with it - any other addon recommendations for tanking/threat/aggro ?
strong forum
Ok noted, do i just search ur names on twitch?
I think sense "snse"
And I'm just my name ye
strong forum
i use Elvui and need advice on how to manage aggro/threat .. my plates change co...
Plater is the best
Everybody will tell you that
still pagoda
jagged pier
i use threat plates they change green when i have aggro thats all i need
spiral cobalt
And I'm just my name ye
Thank you
spiral cobalt
https://www.twitch.tv/snse
thank you
spiral cobalt
i use threat plates they change green when i have aggro thats all i need
same here
earnest lava
@strong forum any recommendation on a profile/setup? thanks
apart from elvui/wa i'm very new to using other addons really
still pagoda
i use Elvui and need advice on how to manage aggro/threat .. my plates change co...
all you may want to find for plater is here
replied to the wrong message, but whatever
old dagger
Got a screenshot? Sounds interesting
sick sentinel
What builds are you guys running? I've got thunderlords, but man I just really do not like Booming Voice that much, sure you can get a juicy spear out, but with Demo being on GCD you have such a short window and it takes some setup too. I've been thinking about testing out some Best Served Cold and maybe Into the Fray for some good old revenge spam. I'm curious if I'll be a Booming Voice slave until I get The Wall
sweet summit
Youll pretty much always play BV
BSC can be good if all you want is to spam revenge
Into the Fray is good on ST but i cant imagine it competing well with ravager in dungeons. Ravager offers bog dam and a good chunk of rage
strong forum
You'll always be a BV slave if you plan on using the best talent on that row.
strong forum
Got a screenshot? Sounds interesting
You can check out nnoggie on twitch and watch his vods to see his nameplates, the profile isn't free though
Or check out my vods on twitch if his are locked
old dagger
ah thanks
strong forum
What builds are you guys running? I've got thunderlords, but man I just really d...
You are always free to play what you want and enjoy more, but know that playing BSC and ITF is going to lower your rage generation immensely compared to BV+Ravager and is not optimal.
ITF is the stronger/strongest option for raiding but that's about it.
jagged pier
What builds are you guys running? I've got thunderlords, but man I just really d...
youll still be a BV slave even with the wall its the best talent in that row
sick sentinel
You are always free to play what you want and enjoy more, but know that playing ...
I usually toss down Ravager before applying Demo to maximize GCDs, that's the play right? Ravager is pure ticks and does not have any initial extra cast damage right
strong forum
Yes
lavish oracle
I think you can still take DR if you're not using TGV, what was the difference on that sim you linked the other night? like less than 3%, right?
@jagged pier
sweet summit
High enough to favour BV everywhere
lavish oracle
I mean, if you look at it in a vacuum as just numbers, sure, I guess.
You're spending like 3 more globals to get the same dps out of it as you are DR
not that we're exactly GCD capped at them moment
That's again, also assuming you're using all your cooldowns within the BV damage bonus window, which is also not necessarily a thing you want to do every time, all the time
so they're close enough that I wouldn't push BV as the universally strongest talent on that row unless you're using TGV
jagged pier
I mean you can say that but BV just in general, is better in 'sims' its higher and it gives more rage even without TGV right as its 40 against 20
lavish oracle
40 every 45, vs 20 every 30s, it's more like 40 vs 30, no?
jagged pier
so its still more rage
lavish oracle
Sure, but to get the same DPS out of it, you're spending that rage on revenge either way
so in that way, sure BV is a little more versatile in how you can spend your rage
since you can sill always opt for less damage in favor of more rage
whereas DR is kinda fire and forget
A trade off but like, y'know, close enough that I wouldn't call it a sure thing
jagged pier
I dont think its close enough to say its not a sure thing imo, one of the reasons we dont like conemdn is it doesnt give rage, we want rage so im gunna to the one that gives more then i can decide as you said what i do with it i prefer the choice, over i do damage to one target and get less rage so i have less choice, but again thats my opinion, like i like DR as it was i would probably have used it with the wall but i can justify to doing that after the change
lavish oracle
Right, that's fair, personally in high damage intake situations I can start to feel GCD locked, DR offers the best damage for as few GCDs spent as possible and also lets me hold spear or ravager if say, I need a solid AoE threat generator to start the next pull or if I need to get out and kite in the next 20 seconds which makes it feel better to use
strong forum
I think you can still take DR if you're not using TGV, what was the difference o...
It's 3% on ST in raw dmg.
On aoe its like 9%
Without TGV
Iirc
lavish oracle
mmm I think the sim that was linked was <3% on 3 targets
strong forum
That was bv/uf/am vs bv/rav/am
lavish oracle
hold on, I'll see if I can find it
strong forum
This is ST
The more targets you get, the less value DR has
Because it already loses 30% dmg on the 2nd target
On the 5th target DR does less than 30% of its St dmg
lavish oracle
Hm, scaling has never felt that severe.
strong forum
Feelycraft =/= actual outcome
I also don't notice the drop-off of revenge, TC and spear after 5 targets
But it's there
The thing that made DR competetive before it's nerf was it didn't have any drop-off and was uncapped. Now it has omega drop-off
And even then DR was only competetive
Now it's not even competetive
lavish oracle
I mean...sure, at a certain point sims are kind of extended feelycraft, though. Again, they're data without context or literally any mechanics beyond target dummies.
strong forum
what kind of context do you need
It's less rage
And is less dps
In a world of ravager and spear, snap threat isn't a thing that's needed
Not to mention challenging shout
You can play DR all you want.
But you have to know its just not good anymore
jagged pier
how are sims extended feelycraft it literally only number? @lavish oracle
lavish oracle
Yeah, it's a single data point, that you're extrapolating into real in-game results
lavish oracle
In what sense
strong forum
Sims are crafted and written based on the ingame values and interactions
lavish oracle
Where you're never kiting or have downtime or have to react to anything
It's literally just data
strong forum
What does kiting have to do with it
lavish oracle
it creates downtime?
jagged pier
yer but kiting makes DR as useless as BV because you arent gunna use them, then the moment your back in combat the data from sims shows whats better
strong forum
You don't plan around kiting at all
lavish oracle
You can hit DR and kite, if you hit BV and then kite you lose any uptime that would be generating damage
strong forum
In what world do you kite instantly
lavish oracle
In a world where it's been 45 seconds and your Demo shout just came back up?
Or your demo shout wasn't off cool down on pull and came back up 20s into the pull
strong forum
Yeah then you get another rage bump to stay on longer
Planning around kiting is a very weird approach to playing the game
lavish oracle
Like, I'll even concede the point that DR is worse than BV, but I need you to understand that sims are not the only proof that something is good or bad
They're like the very last thing you consult
jagged pier
they should be the first thing you consult really
as its data based on literally in game data
yes it doesnt account for downtime
but it literally tells you whats best when your standing there pressing your buttons
lavish oracle
I mean, if I have an ability that has a 299s cast time, and it does infinity damage after it casts, and you run it in a 5 minute sim, it's going to look very good
in a sim
because there's no game attached to it
just numbers
strong forum
Then you just adjust the sim
To be 298 seconds
For a more accurate result
Same with m+ simming
You sim 1minute
Cuz that's how most m+ packs are
lavish oracle
Right, but my point is, you have to understand how the ability works before that sim can be useful
you can't understand the data until you understand what the data is referring to
strong forum
Just like everything in life
jagged pier
people that dont understand the abilites are not gong to be simming, just saying
strong forum
I get the point you're trying to make
lavish oracle
Well, okay, you don't understand mmo players @jagged pier haha
strong forum
But like...
It's just a bad way to go about it
That's like saying cheat death trinkets are good because they can save your life
solar crown
Feels like you are looking at it backwards. instead of looking at the sims and learn to play around what is optimally better you pick something that 'feels better right now' and say you perform better with it. Sure, whatever floats your boat, but if you talk about minmax you should look at the numbers and figure out how to 'create the optimal scenario' instead
polar radish
imo, "some people don't understand sims" =/= "you should check sims last"
strong forum
Sims aren't the end all be all of things, they can't reenact what's happening in game nor can you sim defensively
But like...
Snap threat vs absolute numerical dominance
Is just not an argument
solar crown
But i am 100% behind picking talents that make you perform better, whatever the number-crushers tell you is best
strong forum
Especially if both buttons are such similar CD
In the case or VDH, even if kyrian wouldn't be better than Venthyr I would play Venthyr.
Because venthyr is locked behind a 3min CD
When Kyrian is a 1min CD
Resulting in better threat.
But in a case of 30sec vs 45sec CD...
And if you're playing TGV, as you should, demo is even shorter CD
Than DR
jagged pier
Well, okay, you don't understand mmo players <@!179993058186625025> haha
I mean you have a very narrow sight if you think everyone in the game is simming and trying to get better in wow there are far far more people who dont sim and dont care about performance that actually do. im just saying. like there are people out there that dont change talents and people out there that still click to move
lavish oracle
I didn't say everyone in the game, but to say that no one is simming and then working backwards is kinda silly
Oh, wait
finished reading what you just said
jagged pier
I didnt say that my point was if people dont understand what the abilites do they wont sim
barren anvil
Guys what happens if i use SoB and Ravage first and then pop up Avatar and Demo? Does increase damage works ?
lavish oracle
I think we were making a similar point, I don't really wanna argue about it
fallow mortar
wait, people click to move?
polar radish
isnt half of sob damage up front?
lavish oracle
The dot damage should go up
jagged pier
@fallow mortar yes some do
lavish oracle
The only class that still snapshots as far as I'm aware, is Feral
lavish oracle
you do lose out on the buff for the initial damage of each, though
lavish oracle
you can click to move?
jagged pier
yep
lavish oracle
like RTS style?
strong forum
you do lose out on the buff for the initial damage of each, though
I understand the Idea, but in very very very few cases is that going to actually a thing
Yeah
You can click to move in wow, if not by default than with addons
Pretty sure you can do that by default though
lavish oracle
@strong forum @barren anvil was asking about it
strong forum
Guys what happens if i use SoB and Ravage first and then pop up Avatar and Demo?...
You have to use Avatar and Demo before using spear, because spear does a huge initial hit
lavish oracle
Whether or not Avatar and BV applied to dots while they were still active
strong forum
Ravager does only ticking damage so you can do it(avatar/demo) a bit later if you so desire.
But before spear you absolutely want demo and avatar up
kindred warren
Shaman for the bloodlust
lavish oracle
I really like druid and their dot heavy heals, it compliments are really strong damage smoothing well and they just have so much utility
strong forum
Druid probably
lavish oracle
Pallies were cool to run with last xpac because their CDs would line up with ours really reliably every other pull
so you could alternate big pull-> small pull to line up with fire mage CDs too
at least before minute mage became a thing and they just were destroying every pack 😄
lavish oracle
Disc is really hit or miss for sure, they had it kinda rough with some affixes last xpac
anything that did damage out of combat like bursting and grievous seemed to be rough for them
strong forum
Disc is only good for us if they're overpowered
lavish oracle
should be way better this xpac now that they can mass dispel bursting and clear grievous much more easily
strong forum
But 2x mitigation healer + tank isn't really complimentary
But a good disc will always pump
Emphasis on good
strong forum
For now
lavish oracle
I don't know if they'll scale
ebon jasper
ironbark is 90 sec yeah
lavish oracle
Which is still a really reliable tank external
I'm gonna miss that 1 minute CD, though
strong forum
Can't miss what I never had
eager phoenix
shaman is looking strong for the consistent group healing with chain and group cds also have good utility and damage. downside is no tank cd. if that is a detriment for prot in m+ remains to be seen.
eager phoenix
sp compliments druid rly well though. soothe for skips, stamina buff and disease removal.
lavish oracle
from the few times I ran with a shaman last xpac
Seems like kicks are gonna somehow be even more important this time around
strong forum
Na, there's only a few dungeons with kicks needed
Not literally every dungeon riddled with them on every pack
Mainly only hoa comes to mind
ebon jasper
I guess spires has the one pack with 2 fist-dudes
lavish oracle
necrotic blasts are going to hurt real bad in wake in a couple pulls
might need to just find an LoS spot for them, though
eager phoenix
chain heal spam to top ppl of during all the different aoe situation seems really effective. like a druid has to spend a lot of globals to do what chain does
strong forum
Also the anima orb interrupts them aswell
strong forum
chain heal spam to top ppl of during all the different aoe situation seems reall...
Yeah but druid can dps and heal at the same time
Shaman can't
strong forum
can you make % without pulling any of them?
Yes
lavish oracle
I actually haven't looked at wake in MDT at all yet
eager phoenix
i was going to add. it depends how much dps time there will be when keys start getting pushed
spiral cobalt
Noob question: have you guys learned your m+ routes yet? if not what's the plan, wait and go by feel?
eager phoenix
CR is ofc always big so there is that
strong forum
Noob question: have you guys learned your m+ routes yet? if not what's the plan,...
I know some of the routes from watching beta m+, but it's fresh expac
Learn and have fun comes first
lavish oracle
I basically just saved a big list that Trell made of M+ routes and have only looked at a couple
strong forum
Also most dungeons are omega stream lined
You can barely skip mobs in some of the dungeons
spiral cobalt
I see
eager phoenix
gonna tinker with MDT. aim is basically 20% marks before a boss whenever possible. use the prideful buff on bosses seems very solid
spiral cobalt
I kind of hate skips
lavish oracle
I really liked the varying routes in BfA
whether that meant skips or just literally the ability to pick another path
eager phoenix
i dont think any dungeon seem big for shroud, maybe SD and HOA. the skips ive done is literally running past shit and to the extent ive used shroud an invis pot would be just as good. for example skipping start of plaguefall to 1st boss.
lavish oracle
it seems like way less of a priority this expansion
eager phoenix
shroud was way too comfy in bfa. sucks a lot when you feel you need a rogue to be effective. shouldnt be like that
strong forum
Shroud skips suck dick
spiral cobalt
shroud was way too comfy in bfa. sucks a lot when you feel you need a rogue to b...
+1
maiden ravine
There's one pull I'd want to shroud in halls and they put vision in it haha
lavish oracle
The nerf to battle pots made running without rogues way more viable now
strong forum
Wiping once when you made a shroud skip basically meant you depleted the key
Fucking dogshit
Can't recover from that
lavish oracle
just take 2 rogues 4head
maiden ravine
I really enjoy dungeon design in shadowlands
It's miles ahead of bfa and even legion I think
spiral cobalt
It's miles ahead of bfa and even legion I think
+1 tho I wouldn't put it MILES ahead
tol dagor can fuck off for sure tho
maiden ravine
I hated bfa dungeons
strong forum
M+ brings out the real cancer
lavish oracle
tol dagor was the worst dungeon
strong forum
In m0 everything is a wet noodle
maiden ravine
Like I only enjoyed mechagon
strong forum
I liked s4 KR tbh
spiral cobalt
KR was cool
maiden ravine
There's a few trash spells I know will suck. The goresplatter in wake for example
lavish oracle
KR with portals was cool, but Shadow of Zul can get fucked
eager phoenix
Wiping once when you made a shroud skip basically meant you depleted the key
for sure, but id still bring rogue to Shrine and risk a bricked run than do it without 😄
strong forum
Never did shrine with a rogue ever
spiral cobalt
What do you think will be the Tol dagor of shadowlands? 😛
maiden ravine
Sang
strong forum
Mists tbh
lavish oracle
I don't think there's gonna be a Tol Dagor
strong forum
People failing the puzzle game
lavish oracle
Their dungeon design this expansion is very safe
strong forum
And then chain wiping to last boss
maiden ravine
Only cause of the gauntlet and the 3 mob pull right before the gauntlet
spiral cobalt
aah fak i hate mists
maiden ravine
I love mists
lavish oracle
Yeah, Mists is gonna be a free key
young glen
I love mists ever since our healer has a WA and does that puzzleshit while we clear the packs
spiral cobalt
Necrotic wake is my fav, cozy little place
maiden ravine
I imagine in m+ you can't afford to mess up the clones or it'd a wipe
lavish oracle
HoA seems neat, I like it's design
maiden ravine
I think theater is my favorite dungeon
strong forum
Last boss of top is overtuned as shit
spiral cobalt
Theater is cozy too
strong forum
Will destroy on tyra
young glen
I hate Other Side
maiden ravine
I'm going to actually want rogues there though to have prideful for the last boss haha
young glen
I just don't like it
astral crystal
Will destroy on tyra
wdym just bring 5 pallies
sick sentinel
That one pull in Necrotic Wake before the bridge is gonna be interesting in +....
ebon jasper
at least the dungeon provides the tool for dealing with that pack
maiden ravine
Save the hammer from the start of the dungeon haha
ebon jasper
#orbPower
maiden ravine
I hate that people refuse to use the stuff in wake
astral crystal
wonder if the spear will work on bosses like it does in m0
sick sentinel
Where is the orb again? i remember picking it up
lavish oracle
I've had DPS just stare at the orb while it expires
if you're Kyrian, you can repair the goliaths @sick sentinel
you have to talk to your steward
astral crystal
yeah you call steward and ask him to repair
maiden ravine
There's an orb any can use that interrupts casters
sick sentinel
but physically where is it located i dont remember
young glen
Where is the orb again? i remember picking it up
On the left before that named mob before the bridge
sick sentinel
is it in the first boss area?
lavish oracle
There's one to the right of the first boss
eager phoenix
just dont send the steward off before he finishes 
sick sentinel
ah ok
astral crystal
oh another item
lavish oracle
Spires is a dungeon that I can't tell if it's gonna be really easy or hard
sick sentinel
And then of course there's that one purple slimey boy at the stairs in plaguefall that really makes that pull crunchy if you get him in the mix
maiden ravine
Last boss of spires is gonna suck
maiden ravine
At least they'll have prideful and full mana
maiden ravine
Halls just be like me and be Venthyr
lavish oracle
I'm running with 2 classes with soothe
spiral cobalt
For the healer 😄
as prot I love that fight. mobility for days
lavish oracle
so it won't be a problem
astral crystal
nah man being venthyr doesn't save you from a bleed that deals 90% of your health when stacked
and before anyone says anything about phial, 5 min CD
sick sentinel
I wonder if you can keep one cycling the guy in the church, or whatever he scales with
maiden ravine
Kite then
lavish oracle
3 minute, tho
spiral cobalt
3 min innit
astral crystal
ok close enough
lavish oracle
and the cd goes down by 1s every time you kill a mob
spiral cobalt
wait, does it
maiden ravine
There's only one dog pull you'll face enough to be dangerous
maiden ravine
And that's after second boss
lavish oracle
pretty sure it's pelagos t2, unless I'm misremembering
hallow smelt
I’m new to tanking this xpac. Any good YouTube videos out there of Castle Nathria from tank perspective? Bonus points if it’s prot warrior.
sick sentinel
oh actually i have a question, how do you guys deal with minificent's bleed, that thing freaking chunks
kite?
astral crystal
CDs
sick sentinel
or milificent or whatever shes called, millhouse's wife
astral crystal
not sure if phial works on it
maiden ravine
Yeah, chain CDs on her
lavish oracle
It didn't hit that hard in M0, I hadn't even thought about it
hopefully phial works on it
Otherwise I'll probably just call for healer externals
spiral cobalt
I probably used phial on it but I don't remember what happened, going to check again
imo phial would be pretty useless if it didnt remove it
honest plinth
imo phial would be pretty useless if it didnt remove it
pretty sure it doesnt work
spiral cobalt
pretty sure it doesnt work
ok :/
strong forum
Warri is gonna be one or the better tanks for her because its a tankbuster mechanic + the bleed
Any other tank will have trouble with the slaps itself
For the debuff you will have to use CDs, and you cannot kite her, I believes she will root you if you try
sick sentinel
she moves fast as fuck too
strong forum
That too yes
You can't avoid it basically
Just SB and pray
Basically rezan but more frequently
sick sentinel
they need to bring back charge out of roots for prot like the good old wrath days
strong forum
Eh, roots aren't an issue
proud kernel
feet or hands for thunderlord?
sick sentinel
wowhead guide says feet so thats what i made
proud kernel
was checking wowhead, havent seen any clue on that. probably on the gear page and not on the legendary page
sick sentinel
was checking wowhead, havent seen any clue on that. probably on the gear page an...
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/protection-warrior-best-legendaries-shadowlands
"Crafting Preference: Feet - Boots are generally itemized worse than Gloves in the first tier of Shadowlands"
still pagoda
was checking wowhead, havent seen any clue on that. probably on the gear page an...
_Ignoring what your alternative items are for each slot, here's a rule of thumb for legendary crafting slot selection:
Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders
= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak
This is generally going to be the most bang for your buck out of the extra ilvl, with some variance on the relative value of jewelry depending on what you are optimizing for._
pulling from blood DK part of Acherus server
proud kernel
i see
restive flax
@strong forum you can also deflect a stack of the bleed every 25 seconds right?
steep wraith
Pretty small gain, but every little helps
restive flax
I'll take any option to deal with it 😄
restive flax
If you use it early you might be able to deflect 2... maybe?
sick sentinel
Since its deflectable still means its physical damage right? In other words popping SR late does not give 20% DR right
restive flax
You just dont get the stack, it doesnt get reflected
strong forum
That's how I read it
restive flax
Meaning that it doesnt get applied to your opponent
restive flax
ye
sick sentinel
You think there's ever a situation where delaying SR to get the raw 20% (from aoe's etc.) is better than having it used on actual spell? Theoretically
Say a boss pulses Aoe, throw shit on the ground, DPS'ers are all over and he just happens to cast frostbolts also
restive flax
You can reflect certain aoes aswell and it gets consumed
sick sentinel
really?
restive flax
yes
Plaguestomp on the blobman in Plaguefall
You reflect the debuff but still get the damage I think
restive flax
I mean. Partial deflect
strong forum
Reflect
sick sentinel
I actually remember that boss in Skyreach you could reflect the tornado damage back to the boss
restive flax
it prevents something but not everything
sick sentinel
As a hunter at least with glyphed deterrence
strong forum
You can reflect the toxin from spider
restive flax
you can actually reflect something meaningful at the 3rd boss?
isnt that just one tick tho?
strong forum
Yeah the boss gets the debuff instead
Which makes her take 100% more dmg from poisons
Meaning rogues could omega destroy the boss
restive flax
because it doesnt exist?
strong forum
Yes
still pagoda
Yeah
restive flax
Sadly true
restive flax
The only hunter spec I actually like
In terms of their fantasy that is
Not how they play
honest plinth
they need 1handers Rexxar like style is bis
dense pivot
this game really wants me to tank, second boe dropped for me, it's shield again, with avoidance this time
sick sentinel
I saw non-reward tank queue for the first time this morning for HCs
The healer reward was gone too yesterday
Possibly alts leveling? 😄
honest plinth
there are no reward on ru-alliance
honest plinth
No rewards for Russians
sick sentinel
I'm addicted to my daily 1,5k gold
honest plinth
its 1 k isnt it?
sick sentinel
Add a couple of runes to that and you're getting up there
woven radish
Excited to sell all of mine next week
rare junco
Hey guys
Good afternoon
Started playing this game not long ago and playing tank atm
Prot Warrior
Is it a solid tank or there is better options ?
strong forum
Every tank is a solid tank, some are harder to play than others.
rare junco
Because got told with warriors they start shit but always end up OP
strong forum
They start comparatively weak yes, but ending up OP has more with balancing to do than with scaling
honest plinth
wash your mouth 😄
strong forum
But they're a-OK currently
honest plinth
ofc dont call something shit if you dont know how to play it
strong forum
Well he didn't
rare junco
@honest plinth who told you I can't play it ?
rare junco
I just mad a question that's all
strong forum
People that say pwar is currently shit have no idea what they're talking about and are likely playing wrong, is what he's referring to.
turbid cargo
eyyyyyyy finally
honest plinth
gz my man
rare junco
@turbid cargo got that 1st run 🔥
slate shell
i thought lego drops are pretty much guaranteed from hc nowdays after the hotfix
rare junco
@strong forum he better read again because I said, GOT told, not I that I said ..
honest plinth
i thought lego drops are pretty much guaranteed from hc nowdays after the hotfix
nope
slate shell
everyone i know got their lego in 1 run after the hotfix
turbid cargo
after the hotfix it took me 9 wakes to get deathmaker, 14 spires
still pagoda
everyone i know got their lego in 1 run after the hotfix
i'm not that lucky
turbid cargo
25-30 of each before hotfix
sick sentinel
Literally Chad Thundercock the spec
still pagoda
neither did i farm past doing 1 run for renown 6
tepid mason
hello gamers, i come to you as someone new to wow and trying to get into raiding. ilvl 180 (prot warrior obviously) for reference. the guild im in has chosen two other ppl to be tank. what should i do, swap spec?
rare junco
No
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> he better read again because I said, GOT told, not I that ...
I know
still pagoda
hello gamers, i come to you as someone new to wow and trying to get into raiding...
depends. I guess you 3 competed for spot?
rare junco
Bro
tepid mason
yea and the druid 10 ilvl down on me won
rare junco
I'm same situation
tepid mason
kekw
still pagoda
yea and the druid 10 ilvl down on me won
performance-wise?
tepid mason
im new to them, im guessing they just chose him cos they know him
and bc im fresh to the raiding
still pagoda
well, depends. If you're in a pretty casual guild, just get a good 2H weapon and roll arms for a while
while playing prot in M+
:)
rare junco
Learn the raid and get used to tanking in mythics and torghast with tunderlord
still pagoda
i'm stuck with no possibility to find guild as a tank rn
rare junco
Then drop the wall from raid
still pagoda
Learn the raid and get used to tanking in mythics and torghast with tunderlord
torghast is dumbfuck easy to even consider it as a "learning curve"
slate shell
does ravager follow the player or the mob?
honest plinth
does ravager follow the player or the mob?
mob
tepid mason
so i guess i needa farm a decent weapon then
rare junco
@still pagoda for a beginner it fucking helps u understand basic mechanics like mitigation
sick sentinel
Raid tanking is boring as fuck anyways, taunt at X stacks, DPS has way more going on, while m+ tanking is so much more fun
still pagoda
<@254685070739243009> for a beginner it fucking helps u understand basic mechani...
M+ will do more on that front
tepid mason
Raid tanking is boring as fuck anyways, taunt at X stacks, DPS has way more goin...
hard agree but loot tho
still pagoda
loot doesn't matter
tepid mason
im just a loot goblin who likes seeing my ilvl go up
still pagoda
you're in a guild to progress the raid
rare junco
@still pagoda yes correct but you can always learn from thetr
rare junco
Regarding drop and loot just put specialisation drop on protection while u play arms
Easy
still pagoda
im just a loot goblin who likes seeing my ilvl go up
this is what will get you into a lot of trouble
tepid mason
it was mostly a joke but yea i know
still pagoda
D3/PoE reflexes must go when you're going for raiding in WoW
tepid mason
it's nice to have ilvl go up but really i jsut want to not be useless on the raid
rare junco
E go mythics with others 180ilvl
tepid mason
ideally even helpful
sick sentinel
Arms and Prot favors haste EZ loot prio
rare junco
Your fingers is what it matters
still pagoda
Arms and Prot favors haste EZ loot prio
arms is tricky and not that on this. Prot is just ilvl >> haste by now
but you can mish-mash pieces from both to achieve maximum
rare junco
Ilvl sockets haste versatility mastery
still pagoda
if you wish to do so of course
strong forum
D3/PoE reflexes must go when you're going for raiding in WoW
I found d3/poe incredibly useful for learning m+ and mechanical play tbh
"don't stand in the fire"
still pagoda
yeah, but not the loot goblin attitude of them
strong forum
Best thing ever
tepid mason
lmao
still pagoda
of course it actually teaches you not to stand in the fire/purple beams
neat lagoon
Why is it bad to want to play for loot? Is that the topic?
tepid mason
this is way off track
still pagoda
especially not to stand in purple beams
tepid mason
i need some good 2h weps to not be useless right
strong forum
And damage meters
neat lagoon
buy the BoE one
tepid mason
since i need to swap spec to arms/fury
tepid mason
buy the BoE one
love it, thanks, nice n simple
still pagoda
i need some good 2h weps to not be useless right
one whateverstatsmaxilvl 2H
for arms
sick sentinel
Any keys in particular you guys got your eye on at the reset? Theatre has a lot of weapons
neat lagoon
Weapon damage most important
tepid mason
yea i wont have time bc they schedules the raid like an hour after reset, so i gotta buy boe
strong forum
Wtf
neat lagoon
De Other aside for Halkkar
tepid mason
nah just na and clown guild
neat lagoon
Hakkar has MASSIVE items
tepid mason
jk they cool but they not smart on raiding yet
still pagoda
i would understand if it was a Russian Far East guild
with time going 7-8 hours ahead of Moscow
but NA...
tepid mason
well i have a day to consider leaving the guild. i will admit they dont seem very wise
i like to factor in the heart
tepid mason
id have to agree
strong forum
Unless you're literally a daytime raiding guild and advertised as such
tepid mason
even as a complete noob it seems kinda wasteful at best
strong forum
But raiding this shortly after reset just makes your entire roster weaker than it could be
Given the renown gains
And torghast
tepid mason
yea you miss out on so much
strong forum
Also 0 time to chill
rare junco
I literally booked 12 days off to spam mythics and sort everything out ahha
Starting on the 9th
still pagoda
even as a complete noob it seems kinda wasteful at best
time management and planning are the most important things for any 2-3 nights/week raiding guild
rare junco
Gonna do torghast ASAP get lvl 2 legendary and then spam mythics all the way
still pagoda
at that point
tepid mason
time management and planning are the most important things for any 2-3 nights/we...
theyre 1/week, im guessing thats even worse
sick sentinel
Hakkar has MASSIVE items
1hander and belt?
still pagoda
i may just craft lvl3 TGV right of the bat
strong forum
theyre 1/week, im guessing thats even worse
1 day raiding is...
still pagoda
because i won't raid this tier it seems
strong forum
Not good
rare junco
Hm
tepid mason
yea im gathering that
still pagoda
yea im gathering that
2 nights is pretty chill
rare junco
I done lvl 1 legs
strong forum
1 day raiding means you're eternally reprogressing
strong forum
Barely time to progress on new bosses
still pagoda
just may not craft it until mythic week and just go on with what i can get on my hands
still pagoda
assuming so
rare junco
I reckon spamming mythics will be the shout
That and PvP gear
But PvP as a tank idk
neat lagoon
Oh shit lol I’m in wrong channel
strong forum
Ye
rare junco
If you play ravager dragon scream or roar or wtv is called
With spear of bastion u have damage to single target
still pagoda
I reckon spamming mythics will be the shout
the problem is: at that point, when no guild is looking for a tank on any of the 4 major EU horde servers, i'm stuck with only one thing to do - and it is to spam M+ during the time i could have gone for week 1 hc clear
still pagoda
Just get big io and use it as bait Karton
like the dude who "replaced" me in the my previous guild with which i actually raided
sick sentinel
becoming a tank when you're not an established part of a guild is always hard right, you need your tanks to be super reliable and they're almost some sort of pillar in the guild
sick sentinel
do you need the actual addon to show your score or is it tracked on their website via armory?
still pagoda
much more time to push M+
strong forum
do you need the actual addon to show your score or is it tracked on their websit...
Both
still pagoda
and gear from M+ is not that scuffed this time around
rare junco
I wanna to key 15
still pagoda
especially trinkets
strong forum
It'll automatically yoink your data
sick sentinel
Regardless if I have the addon or not?
strong forum
You don't need an addon to display your score no
The addon simply makes it so you can see the score of yourself and others ingame
Without having to look them up manually
sick sentinel
Ok so if I fart without having a single addon installed it will still track it?
strong forum
Yes
sick sentinel
Aight
still pagoda
Without having to look them up manually
i remember these days of early Legion
signal plover
If the wow api has a string for it ya
still pagoda
manually opening each pug's wowprog page
signal plover
Good ol fartAPI
strong forum
sniff smells like shit score
sick sentinel
so how do you min max that scores, or maybe you cant
do you spam a buncha small keys or larger
strong forum
It's simple
still pagoda
you push
still pagoda
^
strong forum
Nothing more nothing less
still pagoda
do it in time
sick sentinel
Ok
still pagoda
that's even more score
sick sentinel
So spamming fifty 2 keys = / = one 7 key
strong forum
Yes
still pagoda
also, how can you be a half trick po... Oh, quinn/vayne main i guess?
sick sentinel
Roger
strong forum
But don't confuse high score with skill
signal plover
Play game gud get score
dense pivot
if you do +3 +4 +5 is it the same score as one +5?
strong forum
It's a poor metric that simply shows what kind of key level a person has done
sick sentinel
Anyone else expecting damage nerfs?
still pagoda
Anyone else expecting damage nerfs?
nah, it's just your DPS being shit
as players
i've seen warris pop off
honest plinth
if you do +3 +4 +5 is it the same score as one +5?
yes if you are talking about same dungeon
dense pivot
ah, I see
sick sentinel
Idk I haven't seen much higher
still pagoda
it counts only the highest completed
strong forum
My highest was 2.9k as tank
My players dps highest was 4.4k
And thats without legendaries
dense pivot
so it's basically weighted sum of all dungeons, with weights being +<level>
still pagoda
pretty much
sick sentinel
4.4k on what?
how are you guys doing on glory, just need a few but the hardest ones
strong forum
4.4k on what?
Overall dps in a dungeon
honest plinth
im pretty sure i did like 3.4k or something
still pagoda
it weighs the run and counts the highest score of all the runs for that dungeon into the overall score @dense pivot
signal plover
I've seen 4k+ pretty consistently from our dps bois
strong forum
Ye, when I pugged I topped dps as tank
signal plover
That's gonna be a no from me dawg
honest plinth
Come to the pug life and you'll only see 2k.
well thats true
sick sentinel
How are other tanks looking in comparison?
honest plinth
ill check next tme im pretty sure im doing 3k + in m0s
honest plinth
i have no leggo too ye waiting 😄
strong forum
Cuz it's hard to track
signal plover
A lot of this depends on pulls
strong forum
Yeah, could be higher if my dps did more dmg 
sick sentinel
Yeah I agree
honest plinth
Hunters and UH are popping off right now
fire mages
sick sentinel
fire mages
did spires with an arcane mage too he was slapping
sick sentinel
Every tank needs a good frost mage to help with kiting lol
honest plinth
you dont need to kite when mobs are dead 😄
still pagoda
harmstring won't help much
strong forum
Kiting isn't a thing until high keys
still pagoda
^
signal plover
I've kited like twice and both times was on juiced dogs after echelon in HoA
strong forum
Well yeah that's just being smart
strong forum
And that
final mist
I’ve never had to deal with them being enraged, the cast is interruptible with CC (not like Pummel or anything).
signal plover
Yeah we just mongod the pull
strong forum
We mongo every pull
sick sentinel
Now I know other tanks don't kite.
strong forum
Wdym
signal plover
I mean like
still pagoda
mongo the pull or you are a coward blyat
signal plover
Actual mango
still pagoda
sweet summit
Member when that was a .2 sec cast on beta?
sick sentinel
Do you guys just sit and take slaps?
sweet summit
Gave me ptsd
signal plover
Nothin rly slaps anymore
honest plinth
😦
strong forum
sweet summit
I got a boe shield from a guildy pogu
strong forum
Same
sweet summit
Ramping hard rn
strong forum
He's gaming hard
sick sentinel
The haste one is pog.
sweet summit
strong forum
Hol up
final mist
My dad gave me the boe shield he got as a gift
signal plover
Mwahi playin the game on hardmode
final mist
sweet summit
signal plover
Is that fucken sloot?
final mist
formal river
I feel your pain
honest plinth
Mwahi playin the game on hardmode
hardcore. dead = delete ? 🙂
sick sentinel
"Warrior suck against magic damage" "Lol play a real class" "Hold on, you're not a paladin" 
Lol
jagged pier
Ive done my clear twice still 179 i got no loot this week
sick sentinel
:^)
strong forum
Ive done my clear twice still 179 i got no loot this week
Well same, but 179 is perfectly fine
sick sentinel
Good ole rng
jagged pier
Well same, but 179 is perfectly fine
I know but my alt monk is higher because of luck and it makes me feel bad
strong forum
I had to buy shoulders off of the AH
ornate fern
strong forum
Otherwise I would still have azerite
jagged pier
Im not spending 80k on the shoulders
jagged pier
ah fair thought you men boes
sick sentinel
gold before boes
sweet summit
still pagoda
sick sentinel
I want the gloves would put me at 185. But they 200k lol
still pagoda
since when do we have sloot's face here?
sweet summit
Like a week?
sick sentinel
200k 🙈
astral crystal
but why
still pagoda
I want the gloves would put me at 185. But they 200k lol
they will become obsolete next week
sick sentinel
isnt he a filthy pole-a-din
still pagoda
sick sentinel
How is the darkmoon card in comparison?
sick sentinel
Good to know
slate shell
this isnt exactly a prot warrior specific question, but at reset day, you guys reckon is better strategy to do m+ before normal raid, or normal raid and then hc?
astral crystal
technically if you want to maximize gear you do m+ before raid, heroic, then normal
sweet summit
^
astral crystal
but tbh it doesn't matter all that much
slate shell
@astral crystal do heroic raid before normal? oO
astral crystal
yes, so you can trade down gear
sweet summit
To trade
slate shell
oh
sweet summit
Personal loot haHAA
slate shell
i wonder if HC raid will be cleared day1
astral crystal
wonder how the gear drought's gonna play out this expac, i think they want this to be a long intro tier
of course it will
it always is
slate shell
we talking top 1% or bottom 99% ?
sweet summit
Probably will
tender copper
i wonder if HC raid will be cleared day1
It will easily
astral crystal
lotta guilds do day 1/week 1 aotc
strong forum
i wonder if HC raid will be cleared day1
Unless last boss is incredibly overtuned, it will die day1
jagged pier
^^
slate shell
what about pugs
astral crystal
i got the spooks, stone legion looks tough
inland silo
Pugs will clear heroic first day
strong forum
🔫 easily done
slate shell
btw @strong forum you got a youtube or smthing? you kinda strike me as a youtuber
jagged pier
he stream 
strong forum
But like 4 Videos of meme keys
still pagoda
just upload vods
sick sentinel
Are you guys saving your ash to craft the wall tomorrow? Or should i craft the thunderclap leggo?
still pagoda
imma craft TGV on Wednesday
sick sentinel
Are there any big prot warrior content creators?
still pagoda
anyway i'm out of raiding for next few weeks minimum
still pagoda
Are there any big prot warrior content creators?
no
nowhere surprising at the same time
spec that had its time and now is played only by enthusiasts
sick sentinel
I know we got some boiis on arms war lol
strong forum
Only m+ players get clout or do content for wow and that's not very populated with pwars
And even less by enthusiasts
Maybe later in the xpac people will pick up on pwar again, but publicly it'll take some m+ pushers to redeem the spec
sick sentinel
I used to watch a youtube channel quazii but he doesn't touch his war anymore
strong forum
I can't watch worse people than me play wow so idk
backhanded shade throw
Na but I really don't know
jagged pier
I would upload stuff, but most of the conversions we have are defiantly not allowed on any platform ever
still pagoda
I can't watch worse people than me play wow so idk
i can but have to pause it once every 5 minutes to stop the maniacal laughter
jolly thistle
fem and nerftank played lots of m+ and streamed in Bfa. Not sure if they are playing prot in sl tho
strong forum
i can but have to pause it once every 5 minutes to stop the maniacal laughter
Sounds like me playing m+
jagged pier
yer but prot was number1 in bfa
slate shell
that was mostly cause other tanks were garbage after a certain m+, around 26-27
jagged pier
there was a druid running 30s if im not mistaken
still pagoda
there was a druid running 30s if im not mistaken
Dorki
sweet summit
still pagoda
hallow smelt
Anyone know of any prot warrior specific Nathhria videos or guides? Guild just asked me to tank this week when I was going to be playing arms before. RIP.
jagged pier
nah there will be plenty when its out i presume, but not much in terms of guides from beta
mellow patio
Guide to N/HC: hit boss
jagged pier
is that specific to prot warrior though?
still pagoda
Anyone know of any prot warrior specific Nathhria videos or guides? Guild just a...
https://tanknotes.com/castle-nathria not really videos
jagged pier
we can hit boss hard we are undertuned!
still pagoda
but Panthea made specific notes for every single tank spec
just as usual
not yet to be updated for every single class
but general guides are already up and you can judge what you need by yourself
also a spreadsheet with all the reflectable/blockable boss abilities in the raid
sick sentinel
Can u read it to me?
jagged pier
true warriors dont read we zug
formal river
I know hes joking but I really dont, lol. This game suffers from an overabundance of information. People already knew absolutely everything about every zone and instance encounter before the game was released.
So you're literally just acting like a trainer monkey hitting buttons in a pre planned manner.
*trained
Not really a game anymore just a research project that requires a modicum of hand eye coordination
ionic fern
Sure, people still fail doing that tho. 🙂
jagged pier
^^
astral crystal
ionic fern
I know how to do a backflip..just jump and flip.
Doesn't mean i can do it.
jagged pier
that means i do to POG!!!!!!
formal river
I liked running m0, wiping, and saying "well that sucked. What's in our toolkit to beat it?"
sweet summit
But have you tried 👀
formal river
^ case in point
jagged pier
I didnt know anything about them
formal river
"WHY DIDNT YOU RESEARCH!"
jagged pier
I didnt
ionic fern
Gotta remember that not everyone is starting on the same level playing field.
formal river
For sure
formal river
Congrats pro
ionic fern
My girl played WoW for the first time and died to world content @jagged pier
🤷
She still does from time to time.
jagged pier
i know it happens
sick sentinel
I feel that especially with talents/build set ups. I really wish more people played around with diff build instead of copying the cookie cutter builds on guides.
slate shell
@jagged pier they are for people who havnt played the game before
ionic fern
I feel that especially with talents/build set ups. I really wish more people pla...
If you're looking to take it more seriously you take what advantage you can get.
jagged pier
wow it like people werent here this morning when i was talking about people click to moving
dont get angry at me because i didnt die in low content and learn the dungeons by doing normal and hcs
formal river
It's a video game. Taking it seriously is a bit odd
jagged pier
plus apprently i cant make a joke in here anymore, WHERE MY SHADOWLANDS CHANNEL
ionic fern
Sure, for some. 🤷
I enjoy pushing myself into higher m+ etc.
jolly thistle
for a lot of people it’s a hobby
sick sentinel
I guess all are looking for a diff bag
sweet summit
thats part of the fun for me, perrin