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ionic fern
open monolith
when you can just phial away their bleed
??
shockwave the NPC when they cast loyal beast
use potion to get rid of bleed
ez pz
acoustic stratus
isnt loyal beast unstunnable in mythic or am i remembering wrong
kindred crypt
A druid can make them small again, can't they? And you can lock them with the spear of bastion, I haven't encountered problems there so far
digital nova
druids and hunters both
open monolith
and if you stun it they don't cast it again
acoustic stratus
really? because ive had cases where they did recast it
digital nova
we just burst down the NPC casting loyal beasts in my static group
they never get the cast off in m0
open monolith
i mean, yes, ideally that is what you do
digital nova
but come higher keys, not viable
open monolith
but if you can stun them during the cast they will never try to cast it again
digital nova
good to know
open monolith
i'd say higher keys you kill the dogs first
since they apply a bleed
and loyal beasts only gets cast at low hp
so they won't try to do it if you ignore them
frosty elbow
Hello is it okay to keep shield block and ignore pain up as much as possible or is shield block enough?
open monolith
it's an enrage
it can be tranq shot / soothed, I think
idk about purged though
p sure it's not a magic buff
frosty elbow
Mackdose alrighty thanks ❤️
kindred crypt
I am curious, but levelling a belf because of that? Gotta sleep about it
steel mauve
it doesnt work on enrages, only soothe and tranq shot
kindred crypt
Okay, thank you :3
kindred crypt
I am not that old yet :p
open monolith
god damn kids
kindred crypt
:3
acoustic stratus
remember when blood elves couldnt be warriors
kindred crypt
But I would love to know the average age of WoW players
acoustic stratus
probably 22
open monolith
I'm sure it's like, early to mid 20s
placid delta
late 20's I think
open monolith
might be older than that though
digital nova
my guess is high 20s to mid 30s
open monolith
since this came out 16 years ago
kindred crypt
Damn are they old D:
acoustic stratus
most people dont pick up this game young nowadays
digital nova
thanks 😦
open monolith
you know what was a trip? I was able to say "I started playing WoW when I was your age" to someone the other day
digital nova
lol it's fine hahaha
open monolith
is your homework all done?
digital nova
yeah dude, my horde mage is as old as I was when I made him.
kindred crypt
Done yes, from me? No
subtle kestrel
Where do y’all see them adjusting the tool kit Prot has in the coming patches? If at all
Right now our biggest weaknesses are magic and aoe threat right?
kindred crypt
But you are correct, I am in high school xD or lemme check what they call it, but I guess it's high school
still pagoda
but come higher keys, not viable
at that point it will be usual CC chain into kill prio
open monolith
i see no issues with my magic resistance or aoe threat o.o
still pagoda
nothing special ever since casters in Eye of Azshara
i see no issues with my magic resistance or aoe threat o.o [2]
slate shell
magic will always be warriors greatest weakness, and its understandable since warrior is king in physical mitigation
still pagoda
use your CD's appropriately and you will spit on magic damage
slate shell
threat hasnt been a problem for 10 years so dunno
digital nova
necrobolts getting freecasted are our highest threat AFAIK
open monolith
I mean, we lower all magical damage coming in by 50% with ignore pain
seems pretty solid to me
kindred crypt
But you are correct, I am in high school xD or lemme check what they call it, bu...
Yeah high school it is
still pagoda
don't be another one of those "oh fuck button" apologists
kindred crypt
necrobolts getting freecasted are our highest threat AFAIK
I ain't the only one dying at this bs?
digital nova
nope, melee dps needs to learn to interupt
kindred crypt
I always feel like I need to have 8 zillion kicks to work that shit out
still pagoda
I mean, we lower all magical damage coming in by 50% with ignore pain
ignore pain is a rage dump. Usual case with magic damage, aside from some severe cases of blizz not giving a fuck like zul in KR, is that it is almost entirely timing dependent. You work around your CD's - you get it done with no problems
open monolith
i think the bigger problem is stopping people from thinking we need adjusting
warrior is great
subtle kestrel
I’m just panicking as I see warrior at the bottom of every tier list 😅😅
still pagoda
SW, SR and a lot of other tools are here not for you to stare at 'em
still pagoda
I’m just panicking as I see warrior at the bottom of every tier list 😅😅
just don't give a fuck
open monolith
stop consuming tier lists
digital nova
F tier lists
subtle kestrel
It’s all and well for me to not give a fuck
open monolith
are you in a world first guild?
subtle kestrel
But you already know most players do
digital nova
let the FOTM kids go nuts, I'm sticking with warrior
steel mauve
tank tier lists are some of the most worthless things honestly
open monolith
metachasing while barely scraping by +15s is hilarious to me
kindred crypt
i think the bigger problem is stopping people from thinking we need adjusting
In my opinion, everyone is thinking that because warrior isn't op anymore as it was with corruption and people dont know how to play anymore
digital nova
it's my favorite playstyle in the game
slate shell
@subtle kestrel someone has to be in the bottom of the list, but afaik, the gaps between tanks, is pretty small
steel mauve
especially since a lot of them are being made by dps mains
subtle kestrel
No but I push high keys and don’t want to hamstring myself with a gimped kit if it’s the case
I feel that @slate shell
slate shell
we're definetely not as good as 8.3 bfa warriors, but in all fairness, nobody is
steel mauve
any tank can complete any content currently, CE raiding, high keys, doesnt matter
digital nova
we aren't gimped, we just aren't as mobile and brainless to be effective on as other tanks
subtle kestrel
Yeah DH and DK feel like a joke in comparison
subtle kestrel
But I’ve always enjoyed warrior more
subtle kestrel
Not near as mobile as other classes @open monolith don’t be silly
kindred crypt
Nope, definitely not :p
slate shell
i leveled a DH at the end of BFA, i felt like i was doing something wrong, cause i had 3 out of the 5 fingers in my left hand free with no bind to press with them
playing a warrior feels like i need to borrow my girlfriends hands to use shit
kindred crypt
i leveled a DH at the end of BFA, i felt like i was doing something wrong, cause...
Then you did something wrong, but very wrong xD
Oh sorry for the ping D:
open monolith
Alright
subtle kestrel
He’s saying how easy the class feels lol
open monolith
Imma lay some truth on you Csteezy
if you feel gimped in mythics for playing warrior
i promise you, it isn't the class.
open monolith
Warrios are absolutely more than capable of doing all mythic content
I am not wrong. This isn't a narrative.
kindred crypt
He’s saying how easy the class feels lol
How it feels and how it plays is different, if you want to do stuff on a dh your keybinds are full of stuff xD
subtle kestrel
Never said warriors are incapable, I tried starting a discussion about what could change lmao
open monolith
Nothing needs to change.
Warrior doesn't need to be the #1 best tank in all situations
subtle kestrel
Ok you have autism
crimson sphinx
The only time I've died in mythics so far is when all my DPS ignore mechanics and died lol. Warriors are fine.
open monolith
Warrior is very well balanced.
subtle kestrel
Thanks for the actual input anyone who did
open monolith
Coming in here and telling someone they have autism because they don't agree with you is probably the most pathetic thing I've seen someone do in this discord.
Check yourself, thoroughly.
steel mauve
once again, saying some thing is as insert whatever you are wanting to descirbe other classes isnt saying said class is incapable
crimson sphinx
Warriors are a bit more involved than other tanks maybe, but that makes for a fun playstyle if you ask me.
subtle kestrel
Check yourself, thoroughly.
😂
kindred crypt
Warrios are **absolutely** more than capable of doing all mythic content
That reminds me of what I got told from a tank in a guild I was a short time:
Your class isn't blocking you from doing content, you are blocking your class from doing content.
subtle kestrel
I agree blood
digital nova
Warriors are a bit more involved than other tanks maybe, but that makes for a fu...
Yep, we have to do more to be as effective as other tanks who don't, which is reflected on the dumb tier lists
still pagoda
That reminds me of what I got told from a tank in a guild I was a short time:
Y...
exactly what is usually told by many proper high level tanks
digital nova
more room for error = worse tank to players who want maximum effectiveness for minimum effort
still pagoda
crimson sphinx
Like I've run with my guildies doing all the mythics and they're like, yup you're MT come raid time.
still pagoda
more room for error = worse tank to players who want maximum effectiveness for m...
less room for error* is what you wanted to say probably
kindred crypt
More is right?
digital nova
no, i said exactly what i meant, a tank with more room for error is a worse tank
according to idiots
still pagoda
Like I've run with my guildies doing all the mythics and they're like, yup you'r...
i got kicked by officers yesterday despite guildies being totally good with me going on with warri.
whatever
open monolith
to be fair you did call them infantile 😉
still pagoda
and blind
kindred crypt
Btw, why am I blocked from using emotes from other servers? Just not wanted or else?
open monolith
that's only a thing you can do if you have nitro
digital nova
bruh the war = crap tank narrative is strong on youtube
still pagoda
to be fair you did call them infantile 😉
yeah. After almost a month of stupidity from officers who know zero about tanking, it was the best conclusion
open monolith
I'd say you made a solid choice.
subtle kestrel
bruh the war = crap tank narrative is strong on youtube
That’s what I’m frustrated about
kindred crypt
that's only a thing you can do if you have nitro
I have nitro
crimson sphinx
So dumb question, does heroic raid release tuesday as well? Or is it normal only?
still pagoda
I'd say you made a solid choice.
well, now i'm without any guild and will probably end up like @strong forum this tier
open monolith
yes Blood
strong forum
i chose to not raid in nyalotha
kindred crypt
But this discord is blocking the option probably, so I am wondering why? Am is it behind a certain role?
open monolith
idk
digital nova
I haven't had a guild in the last 3 xpacs, still cleared heroic raids
ionic fern
@kindred crypt we don't have external ones enabled
strong forum
also, im certain you can get a guild quickly if you pug HC week 1
and get some good stuff
im certain
ionic fern
You can still use them in some other channels here but not in spec channels.
still pagoda
every single guild either closed recruitment or doesn't need tanks atm
kindred crypt
<@615882197555085342> we don't have external ones enabled
Ahh okay, I can understand why, thank you for answering me :3
open monolith
Just start your own guild. With blackjack, and hookers
still pagoda
You can still use them in some other channels here but not in spec channels.
in #off-topic
undone sun
external emotes when
crimson sphinx
Yeah sock, I like that
open monolith
never
kindred crypt
external emotes when
Would love it xD
open monolith
external emotes just leads to constant weebmotes
kindred crypt
Noooooo
undone sun
big incorrect
open monolith
admit it Haliax
kindred crypt
That's not true
still pagoda
Just start your own guild. With blackjack, and hookers
you know i have zero experience with this shit
kindred crypt
I have a "No U" Uno card emote!!!!
open monolith
oh ok that's pretty sick
still pagoda
i have some money stockpiled, but don't want to even think of doing server transfer
open monolith
Try the puglife Karton
still pagoda
will need to see
kindred crypt
And I have a Yugioh no u emote, I have so many emotes that are blocked D:
still pagoda
but seems like it's pug life again
open monolith
is yugioh still a thing?
still pagoda
it's been like what, 2 years?
civic rover
BAD
still pagoda
is yugioh still a thing?
yes
kindred crypt
Yeah
still pagoda
not my type of thing for sure
strong forum
eyirs cocks socks
gilded tendon
open monolith
wow. I Remember playing that 18 years ago during lunch and at the local card shop
open monolith
i played yugioh when you were just a little sparkle in your dady's eye, Haliax
still pagoda
you can meet some friends that way, too
pug life as a warrior is probably a nightmare now
still pagoda
m0's is one thing
kindred crypt
i played yugioh when you were just a little sparkle in your dady's eye, Haliax
I..... I can't argue against that.....
still pagoda
it's trivial
open monolith
echo echo echo
open monolith
you know what week 1 or 2 clearing heroic feels like in a guild?
Nothing.
you know what it feels like pugging it?
glorious victory
and pain
lots of pain
still pagoda
i don't even remember that feeling
last time i did heroic on week 1 was back in BoD
open monolith
I did week 2 AOTC Emerald Nightmare in a pug 😮 that's my only pug victory LOL
still pagoda
because i took a huge break after this tier
still pagoda
I did week 2 AOTC Emerald Nightmare in a pug 😮 that's my only pug victory LOL
Emerald Nightmare
you know what tier it was
steel mauve
ya im casual mode currently with out a raid team/guild so my fiancee and i are probably gonna try pugging raiding for a bvit to see how it goes
open monolith
.....no
kindred crypt
Just a small question: is it normal for me to get 1shot when doing the first 3 groups together and the revendret max level dungeon? ( can't remember the English name)
open monolith
it was the first raid in legion
kindred crypt
Sanguine depths
steel mauve
its not normal to get one shot by any dungeon
open monolith
like all 3 at once?
kindred crypt
Sanguine depths, pulled the first 3 packs together, used the 50% cd and got 1shot
Not even time for my mate to react
open monolith
if you're getting 1 shot it's because that one archer hunter thingy got loyal beasts off and the dogs ate you
kindred crypt
like all 3 at once?
Yeah at once
pulsar gale
thats halls
pulsar gale
no worries
open monolith
i can't even think of difficult trash at the beginning of sanguine...
overseer probably hurts
if you don't break chains
pulsar gale
we all play warrior for the big brain
kindred crypt
overseer probably hurts
That's my first mistake, thank you
honest plinth
More time for M+ i guess...
im in same boat. i didnt get tank spot. but i got dps spot in not rly mythic guild but still its ok while im lf tank spot. its allmost impossible to get it rn. buuuut after few weeks in new raid some tanks will die irl, will rage quit, delete the game etc. so we will have a chance
open monolith
if anyone didn't get a tank spot because "warrior" in a guild that is outside of like.. the top 500
your guild is stupid
still pagoda
im in same boat. i didnt get tank spot. but i got dps spot in not rly mythic gui...
i don't even have a DPS weapon atm
deep steppe
your guild is stupid
facts
open monolith
did you not get the free 18x sword
from the treasure?
with the mushrooms and the potions
open monolith
ummm let me find it
kindred crypt
Wanna get it D:
open monolith
it is reliant on a world quest being up
honest plinth
nah i dont need it
kindred crypt
Okay, duck me xD
honest plinth
1h fury is live
open monolith
just gotta do it during a particular time of day
and with WM on
if you do it at night with WM on nobody is around, typically
well. my experience anyway
or REAL early morning
like 4 -5 am
deft vortex
What's the best tanking trinkets from dungeons right now?
kindred crypt
That shit sounds hard
open monolith
hakkar trinket + phial trinket
honest plinth
if anyone didn't get a tank spot because "warrior" in a guild that is outside of...
not because warrior just because there is no spot 😄
open monolith
well that's fair
open monolith
what is that trinket called again
civic rover
if anyone didn't get a tank spot because "warrior" in a guild that is outside of...
more like outside of top 10 tbh
dense pivot
is it typical for retail to promote tanks to dps, because too many people want to tank?
open monolith
i was being generous
dense pivot
I swear no one wants to tank
civic rover
even in top 50 you generally see a huge variety in tank choices
honest plinth
I swear no one wants to tank
its very hard to find a spot
dense pivot
ah yeah makes sense, I guess it's harder to find raid tank spot, but super easy for 5mans
grand drum
We had like 4 people come in to tank and i had to dps in 8.3. Good thing arms pumped tho
honest plinth
ah yeah makes sense, I guess it's harder to find raid tank spot, but super easy ...
right
civic rover
ye i only got my spot because one of the tanks died of covid 😐
dense pivot
wtf
strong forum
Wtf
dense pivot
sad shit
civic rover
yeah it's really unfortunate
deep steppe
jesus RIP
civic rover
because he actually pumped
open monolith
that is super sad, p.s.
civic rover
so the RL who leaded my old guild in legion hit me up so thats how i got my spot
open monolith
damn.
strong forum
Geezus..
civic rover
but yeah, the dude wasn't even that unhealthy. he wasn't overweight, he didn't eat like shit.
just goes to show covid is very unpredictable.
open monolith
sometimes it be like that.
We've had cases at my work that range from no symptoms to a guy who was on a ventilator for 2 weeks
Most of the cases have been "like a shitty flu"
civic rover
the trader joes i work at has had two cases this entire pandemic, both happened last week, both were people in the local uni dorms that have been running rampant with it.
open monolith
we've had... more than a dozen
but we're also essential personal
that's not
how you spell
personnel
civic rover
we're just anal as fuck about the guidelines
open monolith
oh trust me, so are we. I take temperatures of my employees when they arrive, and when they leave
civic rover
and the county i live in is really awesome about following it too, which i'm very thankful for.
open monolith
and monitor symptoms, blah blah blah
problem is when they leave?
well....
we're 911. so a lot of people get into this work because "I LOVE COPS" and a lot of those people tend to have a particular political, and often anti-science leaning
definitely not all of us
but a lot.
civic rover
ok that kinda makes sense
open monolith
so a shitty few went out, were irresponsible, and brought it back
civic rover
it's a good time to work there tbh
despite the pandemic, everyone gets a $2 raise and a 20% discount (normally 10%) during the pandemic.
open monolith
I've been in 9-1-1 for nearly a decade now, currently in a supervision role. I love it but... man, sometimes I really hate the people LOL
civic rover
being a manager is so much fucking easier than a crew member for me
open monolith
anywho, glad you got a tank spot. Sad it's because someone died to covid 😦
civic rover
ye shit sucks
civic rover
sleep is for the weak 
open monolith
Sleep is essential
You're almost in college
remember:
Sleep more than you study.
Study more than you party.
Party as much as you can.
in before someone does the math to find the exact hours of each
civic rover
go to sleep though
kindred crypt
You are really old aren't you? :p
civic rover
LOL
open monolith
civic rover
just dont do drugs at parties
ez way to get arrested when the cops inevitably crash it
kindred crypt
I dont do drugs, I dont drink alcohol, I dont smoke, I dont do anything related to such stuff
And I would totally understand people telling me my life is boring xD
But hey, I even got the oldie speechless :3
open monolith
nah I went through all of highschool not doing anything like that
well except one time I did MDMA at a rave, but whatever.
just be you
and go to sleep
open monolith
all good man
still pagoda
open monolith
yeah that's kinda how it felt
still pagoda
this is illegal here in Russia
still pagoda
well, УК РФ 228
open monolith
IGNORE PAIN IS MY DRUG OF CHOICE.
sick sentinel
i don't understand ignore pain
open monolith
You use it and you gain a shield. 50% of all incoming damage will go to the shield.
The size of the shield caps at "2 uses".
meaning each use of ignore pain fills the shield 50% of it's maximum
So, basically, any excess rage should be used on Ignore pain up to the cap, and then revenge after that
sick sentinel
oh so if i push it back to back its not a waste?
open monolith
ALWAYS keeping enough rage so that you can use shield block when needed
Well, it may potentially be a waste
if the shield doesn't get used up and falls off before you use it again
I wouldn't use it twice unless you expected a LOT of heavy damage coming in quickly AND you have a ton of rage
The Luxthos weak auras for warrior has a really good Ignore Pain weak aura that shows a simple bar for how much shield you have
still pagoda
old but gold explanation of this
no need for anything else
revenge part is now a bit different as you can use it to dump rage
unlike in BfA where it barely did damage
civic rover
ye this is from BfA but most of it applies.
still pagoda
ye this is from BfA but most of it applies.
everything except for revenge part
that is here as SS>TC>revenge
revenge is still in the same spot
open monolith
one of the hardest things to learning warrior is proper use of shield block, read: not wasting it.
still pagoda
you can use it outside of procs now
rotund fulcrum
still go kyrian if you end up hybrid prot/dps?
still pagoda
still go kyrian if you end up hybrid prot/dps?
if arms
open monolith
I would, yeah
spear is solid for arms and fury also
not as solid as condemn, but still solid
rotund fulcrum
Gotcha. Here goes nothin!
civic rover
yeah spear is still pretty good for dps warr in M+
raw wyvern
What talents are people running?
The wowhead has 2 builds
civic rover
for general purpose, Devastate, Double Time, Booming Voice, Crackling Thunder, Indomitable, Ravager, and Anger Management is really solid
when getting into threatening content you'll want bolster over AM, and the level 25 tree you can go any of them, I prefer double time.
sick sentinel
i'm sure it's not the way to do it, but when i was tanking mythics/heroics i found myself using the spear to kite things if it got hairy
civic rover
nah thats the big benefit of it
it's a very good kiting tool
what i've seen people do is use the spear to keep half of the pull from melee range while the other half is getting slapped by the warrior
on bigger pulls
honest plinth
What talents are people running?
The wowhead has 2 builds
what Leif said but storm bolt ofc
honest plinth
for meme content 😄
steel mauve
i had to switch to double time, it was killing me not having 2 charges
honest plinth
it will kill you and your grp when you will not have storm bolt on not interruptible target 😄
civic rover
like realistically tho once you get into higher content storm bolt will def be da pla,y
im just using double time rn for convenience
honest plinth
oh ofc its fine
civic rover
totally unrelated but getting allied races from scratch is so fucking easy rn
i got DID from scratch in like 2.5 hours
formal river
I'm telling you yall are missing out on the revenge leggo. Yea it isnt optimal but I feel like a buzzsaw
honest plinth
for the Alliance!
proven glen
nice theme
civic rover
im race changing to kultiran when i unlock them
gib fat human
gib peter griffin tmog
prisma swift
As a aillance prot war, is night elf that far behind KTHuman? Im really starting to despise being a fat human, already live as a fat human 24/7 dont really want to in wow as well?
formal river
@civic rover they are the greatest. Actually feel like a tank
@prisma swift race generally doesnt matter unless you are high end pvping. Dwarf us probly best for the raid anyway
With the bleeds everywhere
civic rover
just play the one u want
prisma swift
eff it, im swaping then lol
civic rover
kultiran isn't even the best tank race on ally iirc
subtle kestrel
Revenge feels strong
civic rover
pretty sure it's between Human and DID, or NElf if your whole squad is NElf
honest plinth
<@159063861473968129> race generally doesnt matter unless you are high end pvpin...
not just for raid there are too many fucking curses bleeds etc in keys
subtle kestrel
Vulpera for free pots Pog
civic rover
FURRY
formal river
Get out
civic rover
@strong forum i found you a friend
honest plinth
i hope they will revamp dwarf archaeology passive. it is useless in SL.
twin eagle
Anyone having an insanely hard time getting the legendary from Spires to drop? I've done it in heroic 26x so far.
twin eagle
Jesus. I've done it 8x today alone
formal river
I got it on first mythic
They seem to be dropping like candy now
Groupies getting them every chance to drop
twin eagle
🙃
honest plinth
i was locked on m0 when hot fix dropped on live
twin eagle
Same
twin eagle
I've been running heroics since Thursday. I've seen multiple people get legendaries in the same run. I'm baffled.
honest plinth
My laziness was rewarded
haha true
formal river
The bad part about running your mythics on Sunday is getting the 115 item level alt dps
I doubled quite a few people on bosses in dps. It was quite aggravating
honest plinth
why did you inv them ?:D
formal river
I just join groups that are 4/5. I dont look at shit
honest plinth
sad story btw
formal river
My guildies are super tryhard and have everything done on reset day when I'm at work
honest plinth
focking wf raiders haha
civic rover
my guilds rule is you can be intoxicated as long as you're still able to play at the cutting edge level
so everyone is drunk or stoned
civic rover
its fantastic
honest plinth
there are plenty of this kind 😄
still pagoda
Literally everyone in this discord, lol
I treat myself as a casual scrub
Yet i got ce
formal river
Not a bad thing to strive to be better
still pagoda
🥳
civic rover
is picking the best covenant necessary? no, but it's fun to minmax the best covenant/soulbind.
cries in necrolord
formal river
I'm still wanting to change to necro
still pagoda
laughs in venthyr DK
civic rover
i'd wait until there's renown catchup
still pagoda
Imma throw a fkn party
formal river
Yeah I am
still pagoda
Tea party
formal river
Necrolord lore is badass
civic rover
but im pretty happy w my choice tbh
civic rover
in 9.1 it's gonna be op
honest plinth
they are good warriors
eternal idol
Anyone having an insanely hard time getting the legendary from Spires to drop? I...
It took me a good 12 norm, 5 heroic, 2 mythic for it to drop
honest plinth
so you got it in no time
eternal idol
"No time"
honest plinth
i mean you didnt farm
eternal idol
I think doing it 17 times constitutes as farming
honest plinth
nope 😄
eternal idol
Ok.
honest plinth
i mean 5 heroics is nothing.
ye you did some normals
but normal is like 5-7 mins?
eternal idol
Im not gonna argue with you. Its ok dude.
fallow mortar
I have an odd situation. I can craft up to a rank 2 base legendary, but do i go shoulders for the wall or do I go feet for thunderlords.... I am at a loss here
or should I just wait on crafting till after the possible tuning comes?
civic rover
wait on tuning
honest plinth
its all bout your main activities. if you are m+ player go for thunderlord. if you are mythic raider - the wall. after tuning ofc
hoary belfry
The talent which provides last stand with block was removed right?
formal river
I haven't touched it. Too in love with AM. I'm a tank dps whore and admit it
hoary belfry
It’s on the same row as anger management oof
honest plinth
when ill push 15s
fallow mortar
its all bout your main activities. if you are m+ player go for thunderlord. if y...
the problem is that I do both XD
hoary belfry
Then you gotta level multiple warriors lol
fallow mortar
???
honest plinth
idk man im in love with thunderlord 😄
and i have no spot for tanking soooo 😄
in raid i mean
still pagoda
the problem is that I do both XD
You can go for the wall as a safe bet then
It is a good general use legendary that is good everywhere
fallow mortar
🤔 that is what I was thinking as well, but the others are right that I should wait for tuning
still pagoda
Just wait for tuning
honest plinth
i mean there are few st fights in CN am i right?
fallow mortar
quite a bit
still pagoda
Yeah, but whole strength of wall is in stable rage gen and cdr
Which is good everywhere
dim cedar
would anyone know what would be the cap haste percentage?
still pagoda
No cap
honest plinth
no cap
dim cedar
cap hate for prot warrior
dim cedar
just stack haste forever?
fallow mortar
yup
still pagoda
There was never a haste cap to begin with
honest plinth
yep
hoary belfry
So since I really hate kiting as tank, and I like to plant a lot unless it’s absolutely necessary to kite, will picking bolster over anger management let me play warrior like in bfa? I mean yeah I’ll have less avatar uptime but I don’t have to run around and avoid being hit like a dh tank
dim cedar
hmmmmm haste and versatility?
fallow mortar
So since I really hate kiting as tank, and I like to plant a lot unless it’s abs...
kiting is necessary for higher keys
still pagoda
I personally prefer bolster because UF/AM got me bored by now
still pagoda
In mythic raid too
fallow mortar
oh god, mythic raiding
fallow mortar
you really need rage, don't you XD
hoary belfry
I mean I didn’t have to kite that much in +22 keys in 8.3. I probably won’t push much higher than the equivalent of that in this Season. Whenever I had mitigation up I could just plant and take almost no damage lol
still pagoda
SL tanking is different
While in BfA you could stay almost forever
Now every single spec has gaps in mitigation or problems with it being weaker than needed(pala)
honest plinth
I mean I didn’t have to kite that much in +22 keys in 8.3. I probably won’t push...
you dont have 120% vers on pulls 😄
still pagoda
You can forget about kiting until high keys
still pagoda
you dont have 120% vers on pulls 😄
I didn't kite in 22s with full TD lol 
hoary belfry
I played with td5 or something like that until the very end XD
honest plinth
you are just vers hater we got it earlier 😄
honest plinth
haste vers for life
hoary belfry
Man i really hate kiting that’s why I disliked dk tank in bfa so much. Is it just a haste issue for us right now because we can’t keep sb up that much?
still pagoda
It is an issue for all tank specs
You don't have permanent uptime on mitigation now
honest plinth
sooooo you need good dps players
still pagoda
Pala does have 100% uptime on SotR, but gets really squishy in higher keys (there are ways to play around this and it surely won't be a problem if you master the pink prot)
honest plinth
you don need sb when mobs are dead 😄
still pagoda
Yeah
formal river
Crit/Haste ftw
hoary belfry
Question is will it get better the further we get into the xpac, since we will get more haste which results in more mitigation uptime. Otherwise I’ll just roll healer on my alt
honest plinth
you are dps player with a shield
formal river
Yup
honest plinth
Question is will it get better the further we get into the xpac, since we will g...
we are scaling very i mean very well
formal river
Yeah we look great
Devastator and haste make everything work quite well as it gets better.
hoary belfry
As I said before my issue is only kiting, I know that every tank struggles with that and has to kite but it’s just not something I enjoy
fringe marten
Has anyone gotten an upgrade to the "Stalwart Guardian" conduit?
fringe marten
ok, it's what I thought...I've done basically all the content so unless it was locked behind a quest chain, or a reputation...I figured it was in the raid.
fallow mortar
You could farm like 200 conquest I think and get it that way, but the conduit is not worth it in my eyes
formal river
@hoary belfry you can always tab target hamstring if tclap ain't enough
Hooray for unpruning
still pagoda
Tclap is enough 100% of the time
shy yoke
I don't check this discord often but people have debated about kyrian vs fae covenant for a prote main just for keys?
formal river
Play what you like
Those two are top
If you want to super min max kyrian is the best due to the potion
fair crystal
The spear itself is real nice for control as well and the extra rage never hurts
worthy karma
Are people thinking Phantom fire or str potions are gonna be better for dps?
fair crystal
I’m personally running str
Kinda of double dips since str = armour could be wrong though😅
formal river
I wish armor wasnt such a joke stat. I still die in duels to 170 sub rogues in a stun
I have a friggin shield. Come on
honest plinth
ш
i mean we are nerfed i pvp
arent we
like tank specs are doing less damage
and people do more damage against us
formal river
I still hit 7k condemns as prot with avatar
But I'm paper
Isnt there a leggo that reduces CC by like 20%?
shy yoke
thanks guys for your opinions <3
granite cloud
That feel when you have everything needed to craft a leggo but you can't because while you were getting soul ash you had a bad run and wiped too many times so now your just a little short and your capped on each wing
novel hornet
Huh?
vocal flame
Anyone having an insanely hard time getting the legendary from Spires to drop? I...
Got it last week on my 5th normal run. I might just be lucky tho.
vocal flame
That feel when you have everything needed to craft a leggo but you can't because...
I think you get unlimited attempts
granite cloud
Yeah but not unlimited rewards
oak quarry
Guys
got some questions abut my stats
feeling ready for the raids and mm+ but want to see if there is something better I could do about my stats
20% Haste (646) / 15% Critical Strike (343) / 8% Versatility (321)
what do you think ?
granite cloud
More vers less crit
granite cloud
Hmmmmm
civic rover
bro your stats literally don't matter that much
it's first patch, you aren't going to have a lot of any stat. just prioritize ilvl and try to get more haste than anything but don't sacrifice ilvl for it.
oak quarry
Well I'm basically 179 right now ilvl
oak quarry
should be good I think for a start
honest plinth
you can sacrifice ilvl for rings and neck
granite cloud
I'm more excited to deck dunsyrider for the 3rd time
sullen owl
Are there any benefits to running night fae over kyrian i went night fae i like my dps i just feel like kyrian my have an easier time.
granite cloud
Oh shit
grand drum
we're helping him
open monolith
Sorry bro. Kael is a good guy
He has repented.
We're rescuing him from the excess torture.
@sullen owl yes and no
granite cloud
Then yes do want to dunk on nathrius
open monolith
In a situation where you don't need to kite and can guarantee that the mobs will stand in the aoe of NF ability the entire time, it's objectively better than spear
In terms of damage and rage generation
But spear is super easy to use, not far behind in damage or rage, doesn't rely on positioning, and helps with kiting
honest plinth
Are there any benefits to running night fae over kyrian i went night fae i like ...
more deeeps
formal river
Kyrian wins out easily imo. Especially considering potion
And that's coming from a venthyr prot
open monolith
Yes, potion is the other part.
Kyrian has more use cases
And 0 downsides
NF is good with an asterisk
Though on average i think their soulbinds are a bit better
granite cloud
Potion has saved my bacon so much
open monolith
Yeah potion is omegagood
sullen owl
@open monolith ah okay thank you would all be viable till +15 though? Iv been thinking about switching mostly because it seems easier to use then NF skill
civic rover
necrolord is 
open monolith
Everything is viable in a +15
civic rover
im necrolord and im still unkillable
open monolith
Even venthyr
formal river
I've had to blow shield wall be cause of fucking bleeds so much
honest plinth
<@107288520086863872> ah okay thank you would all be viable till +15 though? Iv ...
you can do +15 without convenant lol
limpid pawn
So, thundergod is the best legend to craft right
granite cloud
We can't get wall yet tho so technically thunder lord is better while trying to get wall
honest plinth
hmm
open monolith
Wall drops from 3rd boss. Nobody knows if the drop rate is 100% yet.
Wall is amazing in raid, and good in m+
TL is amazing in m+, and okayish in raid (great on multi target fights)
civic rover
pretty sure raid ones are gonna be 100%
open monolith
I hope so, but I have lingering doubt
I wouldn't be surprised if it was like... 25-50%
World bosses are 100% because "it could take 4 weeks until you see it"
Based solely in that sentence, and nothing more, it COULD be lower than 100%
formal river
Just go reverberations and be a M+ buzzsaw. It's what all the cool kids do.
open monolith
Revenge goes brrrrrrrr
Oh no i spent all my rage on revenge
Oh no I'm dead
LOL the 2nd revenge only hits for 40% damage???
Wow that legendary is more trash than I thought
formal river
It's super how dare you
Wait until you see my leech ser
Set
Then you'll be sorry
bleak chasm
Has anyone found success using Venthyr as Prot?
fallow mortar
yup
though not much to talk about since I haven't pushed keys yet. When I try to push keys, that will be the question on whether or not it will work
formal river
I'm venthyr as well. I fkin love it
It will be undoubtedly weaker in m+ though as that's more about trash pack management.
But you can also clear 15s with no covenant ability so...
NBD
woven venture
Draven is a beast soulbind when he becomes available
The difference in having condemn to dump rage instead of pressing revenge in single target versus having the aoe and shit of kyrian or night fae is not going to make a difference in m+
chilly brook
I mean
Draven will be useless for most people
Most people will not need the extra survivability at all
west prairie
is kyrian good for prot
fallow mortar
yes
pastel sleet
since the chart says that none of the abilities for the last three bosses of Halls of Atonement are blockable, does that mean i shouldnt use shield block? asking for a friend....
steel mauve
can still block melee attacks
pastel sleet
are there any rixxa fights?
leaden wadi
Is it hard to transition between fury and prot gear wise?
steel mauve
most likely not, haste gear transitions over, mastery is kind of on the lower end where as its 2nd for fury, but for prot all 3 of them are nearly the same, just haste is much higher
nova anvil
New player here, everyone saying prot is terrible but i enjoy the class, is it good enough for a casual mythic plus player or people wont want me because its not meta
chilly brook
People who say prot are terrible are people like this guy
I.e. people who have no idea what they're doing and or have only run with prot warriors who dont know what they're doing
leaden wadi
most likely not, haste gear transitions over, mastery is kind of on the lower en...
Thanks
chilly brook
Prot is more than fine for casual m+ and honestly feels like its being slept on just like it was in 8.0
fringe marten
LOL I'm talkin' crap about Stalwart Guardian..and a 171 is on a worldquest now. LOL
honest plinth
lol i think we will be in meta later again
steel mauve
warriors have always scalled really wel,l with gear
honest plinth
like we are rly good rn idc what people are saying
i can see it by myself
im fucking monster in dungeons
honest plinth
first spires boss
little sigil
apart from "they might still tune the leggos" what's the argument against waiting till reset and crafting the 210 leggo instead of the 190 rn?
civic rover
more ilvl
limpid pawn
b/c you don't have enough soul ash to make 210
civic rover
more stats
little sigil
b/c you don't have enough soul ash to make 210
yea i know. I'm saying on Tuesday, with torghast reset we should have enough souls (2k) so we COULD craft 210 right after reset+torghast runs.
I'm just trying to see why I would want to craft it right now at ilvl 190 when I could wait a couple of days for 210.
little herald
If you craft a rank#1 and then upgrade it to rank#2, it costs the same 2000 soul ash as going straight to rank#2
limpid pawn
the only reason not to, is if you're waiting on "the wall" legendary frrom the raid
for raiding purposes
little herald
If your Legendary is Rank 1, Rank2, or Rank 3, you can upgrade it. The maximum Rank is Rank 4, iLevel 235. Upgrading your Legendary requires three things:
Your current Legendary Item.
A new Base Item of the same type as your Legendary and at the Rank that you want to upgrade to.
The appropriate amount of Soul Ash for each Rank that you are upgrading your Legendary.
Every Rank 4 Legendary will cost 5150 Soul Ash, whether it is created at Rank 4 or created at Rank 1 and upgraded.
so for example:
- Craft rank#1 legendary today for 1200 soul ash
- Upgrade it to rank#2 on Tuesday for another 800 soul ash
little sigil
kk, with the only "lost costs" being that if you upgrade, you're purchasing rank 1-4 of the template armor piece to transfer leggo to.
little herald
right, you're just saving money on the armor purchase, not saving any soul ash skipping ranks
drifting glade
thats a relief
although I kinda hate
the current lego
since it desyncs my cds
and im too small brain to keep track of them properly
little sigil
k and just to confirm, for the time being, we can only wear ONE leggo at a time. if we go wear thunderlord, we can't craft another leggo for different piece of gear and wear that at same time
drifting glade
ye, one at a time
limpid pawn
wtf the HoA is still better?
drifting glade
you can swap them out as much as you want tho
limpid pawn
civic rover
they hotfixed the threat multiplier
little herald
honest plinth
look at Halls of Atonement neck
civic rover
im using a 161 60 crit 45 haste neck because it has 1 more haste
im truly minmaxing here
honest plinth
hoa 1st boss 90 haste from heroic
glossy stone
Are you guys running UF/AM of Ravager/Bolster?
golden tapir
glossy stone
Haven’t tanked on war since MOP so it’s a tough choice lol
little herald
agreed
glossy stone
Gotcha. Thanks!
chilly brook
Ravager BV bolster is basically the only real option
Well you could run ravager BV AM for lower end content for damage
stable flower
How does Ancient Aftershock rank for Prot?
chilly brook
Good
little herald
I rate it highly
chilly brook
More damage than spear but less versatile and has some limitations that spear doesnt
little herald
As prot, you can mostly keep the mobs in the area
open monolith
just did my first level 3 torghast carry.
I charged $0 because I wanted to test to make sure I could do it. Got shit powers the whole time
never went below 90% hp. ez pz
chilly brook
Kyrian edges out because it's not that far behind NF in terms of damage but it brings the potion which is more than enough to push it over the edge even if it's a slight edge
stable flower
How does Prot war rate against Prot pally right now?
steel mauve
i went with night fae because my dh pretty much needed to be kyrian, and i like the gear set tmog of them
spark mortar
How is Bladedancers Armor Kit holding up?
chilly brook
How does Prot war rate against Prot pally right now?
In what regard, we're not as squishy but bring less utility and supposedly less damage
But I mean prot warrior damage is pretty decent
stable flower
How is prot war holding up under the current damage sources of the mythic0s and the presumably the m+
chilly brook
More than fine
Can literally spam revenge for the most part rn with little consequence
little herald
I found this today: https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/PR_Raid.html
chilly brook
Although you'd be best served by testing it yourself
little herald
4th in tank damage. I don't believe it though because it says we're ahead of DH
and it is assuming a lot of executes based on damage profile
chilly brook
DH doesn't do amazing single target damage
They never really have
Spirit Bomb and Elysian Decree just do a lot of aoe
Although some of the stuff on that doesnt add up to me
little herald
it's using Into the Fray and Anger Management...
chilly brook
I've yet to see a paladin doing 3k dps single target unless they're talking with raid gear? And if that's the case DK should be doing more? DK should also be doing more healing as well imo
little herald
On the warrior one, there is 63s spent waiting for something to push...
sweet summit
Apl might not be healing focused 🤷
chilly brook
So its 184 ilvl with 190 legendary
sweet summit
Yeah its pre raid bis profiles
little herald
21% of combat is downtime for prot warriors. Maybe I need to give up devastator to keep me awake
sturdy sable
Just make a dead macro with the devestator icon and press that during downtime
fallow mortar
🤣
lavish hare
Hello! Can I run as many spires I want in normal until it drops Thunderlord? Or is it weekly or daily loot locked?
steel mauve
can run normal and heroic until it drops, with presumably higher chance in heroic, they changed heroics where it doesnt lock out any more
lavish hare
Thanks Iron
fallow mortar
heroics lock... what?
finite escarp
What stats do you put on a legendary item ?
fallow mortar
crit haste or verse haste
steel mauve
haste/vers for raid
lavish hare
Haste/Vers
steel mauve
haste/crit most likely for m+
lavish hare
I’d noobly say haste/vers for the long run. As in higher M+’s vers will be handy aswell
sweet summit
Haste vers everywhere
sweet summit
Calling caches also has a chance for it
eternal idol
I got it from calling today
fallow mortar
WQ's as well
shadow summit
hi guys.. how do i make DETAILS damage meter show Realm names?
mellow patio
yell at it loudly
open monolith
is phial of putrefaction on the prot loot table?
or do I need to switch to arms for it
agile stag
Check dungeon journal. If it shows on the protection loot of the boss, its in the loot table
sweet summit
Last time i checked its not lootable as prot
urban sphinx
Whats best enchant for cloak ?
maiden ravine
Necrolord prot warrior is more popular than I expected
Must be the transmog lovers
warm apex
how high through m+ can I get away with keeping my loot spec on Arms, as longs as im using optimal conduits and what not?
warm sigil
but the aesthetic is the only reason i am one
sweet summit
As long as you have a decent shield, pretty far
eager phoenix
shouldnt be too big of a deal to swap. only 4 dungeons have a 2h for example. if there are dps trinket conflicts i guess you need to prio whatever you think is most important
warm apex
true, If I am at a dungeon where I can't snipe a 2H, I can switch back to prot loot to snag a shield or something
eager phoenix
like necrotic wake: drops 1h, 2h and meat hook trinket. meat hook can drop as both prot and dps iirc.
brazen grotto
ok got thunderlord patter ... now what? Torghast till i'm blue in the face?
ionic fern
Or level alts..or do m0. 👀
steel spire
darkmoon trinket any worth buying?
dense flame
It’s pretty decent. If you haven’t snagged already, you can farm first boss de other side for the tank trinket on heroic if you already cleared M0
haughty meteor
Hey warriors. How are we feeling in SL?
dense flame
Very handy dungeon trinket
steel spire
thx @dense flame
dense flame
I’ve been pairing it with decanter anima trinket.
stark ruin
Hey guys! We had our first warmup mythics with my old team yesterday (we are lazy old men) and I was struggling for aggro early in the pulls. I tried both the ravager build and the bfa-classic clapper build, the ravager fared a bit better, but still. Was there an aggro multiplier change and we have to pay a bit more attention now in the beginning of the pulls? I had no issue picking up bosses, but on trash pulls it was frequent.
brazen grotto
you switching targets and revenging their ass?
stark ruin
I have been tanking on and off since vanilla, and almost all seasons in the past 2 expansions, so I have the basics down
yeah
I tend to have issues in the first 5 seconds
brazen grotto
ah yea
stark ruin
and sometimes it was really hard to recover from there
brazen grotto
it's just at first with me a bit too
stark ruin
luckily the guys are good, so we didn't wipe because of this or anything, it just felt like I didn't do a good job
brazen grotto
honestly it jsut seems like the dps tend to pull aggro a lot easier this xpac right now
stark ruin
That's my feeling so far too, I was just wondering if it's me or a general experience
fallow mortar
same here, I am starting to plop ravager on them first be rushing in and that seems to help a bit
jagged pier
@stark ruin what covenant are you? there shouldnt really be any threat issue tbh we actually got buffed threat just before realise so if you have aggro issues usually unfortunately your doing somthing wrong
if it be focussing to much on TC because your used to bfa prot or trying to use the wrong stuff, and covenant does also make a difference
kindred crypt
Good morning
stark ruin
Kyrian
kindred crypt
I had aggro problems just once in these 2 weeks and that was when a 180 hunter did go ham on me in a normal dungeon, but since I use 1-2 cd every pull I dont have any issues
stark ruin
and I use the spear as a rotational ability for dps
jagged pier
well number 1 the hunter should have misdirected. so his fault really,
kindred crypt
He said he was sorry after the fight, I am okay with that :3
jagged pier
well thats how it should be used but @stark ruin what are you prio'ing spells wise?
the fire mage in myguild likes to combust mobs im not even hitting to annoy me thats about as bad as my aggro issues are tbh
stark ruin
well, on pull: ravager, charge, spear, ss, tc
jagged pier
right is dont see revenge in there
so revenge is now our big dps spell
tc is a wet noodle
so you want to revenge more
and actually make sure your hitting mobs with it
also are you running BV?
jagged pier
and how are you using demo?
stark ruin
on cd at the beginning of the pulls
jagged pier
then your really shouldnt be having a problem
jagged pier
like avatar, demo (with bv ) , spear or rav can all hold aggro on there own tbh
kindred crypt
What I realised is, that Avatar, Ravager, and Spear of Bastion are so good lined up on cd you can use one or two of them every pack, so you can do a good amount of dps and generate a good amount of threat every pack
But tell me if thats wrong to do
dense flame
Agree with what’s written here. Use revenge more. Plan your larger pulls around ravager/spear. No that’s totally fine
sweet summit
Ravager->charge->demo->avatar+spear->revenge slapping 👌
dense flame
Sometimes dps if they go too hard at start you won’t recover Agro if you don’t have avatar up
dense flame
Yeah basically just watch your dmg intake
stark ruin
I'll give it another go tonight and see what happens
I just have to relearn the spec a little
thanks for the advice guys
dense flame
Cause you don’t want to run into where you don’t have rage for block or IP