protection

[open monolith]

I do not believe prot warrior feels clunky at all.

[jagged pier]

then its ither lack of haste or your playing it wrong feels fine to me

[turbid cargo]

prot war feels fantastic imo

[barren anvil]

shouts should be able to cast with other spells

[open monolith]

I think what you're experiencing is the skill level needed to play a pally well vs a warrior well

[barren anvil]

you have to stop and wait 1sec+ to use demoralizing shout

[still pagoda]

prot warri feels great so far IMO

[open monolith]

Prot Pally can be done half asleep while changing a toddler's diaper

[barren anvil]

then another second+ to use sth else

thats a thing that i find weird

[still pagoda]

that is a long grudge with blizz. Was off-gcd before BfA

but whatever, not much of a problem

it is only one gcd that stands out

[open monolith]

if you use Booming Voice, pressing Demo Shout doesn't feel bad at all

generates tons of rage + makes mobs get more ouchies

[barren anvil]

what are best talents for m+? im running :
Devastator/Rumbling Earth/BV/Crackling Thunder/Indomitable/Ravager/AM

does it change if i get thunderlord?

[jagged pier]

yer and no

[open monolith]

most people here will always say: ravager is bae, always ravager

[still pagoda]

nah

barely

ravager is bae

[barren anvil]

what is bae?

[open monolith]

Bolster for keys where you feel like you're gonna die, or just if you want to be safe

bae is an english slang word for babe

or love of my life

or thing I want to put my penis in

[barren anvil]

mmm ok 😄

[kindred crypt]

I dont want to put my penis into ravager

[barren anvil]

ravager provides nice dmg and help to hold aggro

[open monolith]

i personally don't wanna stick it in Ravager. that seems blendery

[kindred crypt]

That sounds.... Like pain

[barren anvil]

doesnt sound nice imo

[open monolith]

Row 1 is pretty much Devastator

[barren anvil]

ye its one button off and seems like best pick

[open monolith]

Row 2 is preference

strong arguments for bolt in some dungeons. I like double time, personally. Rumbling earth is also useable

row 3 is booming voice

row 4 is crackling thunder, and MAYBE bounding stride for some fights if mobility is a huge concern

row 5 indomitable, always

row 6 is typically ravager, you can make UF work, but you should never pick UF without AM in row 7

row 7 is anger management for the deeps, bolster if you want more survivability

[kindred crypt]

Can I ask a short question?

[open monolith]

you just did

[kindred crypt]

Well, okay

[open monolith]

🙂

[still pagoda]

[open monolith]

what's the question

[kindred crypt]

Why not Dragon roar anymore? Some months ago it was recommended, played with it until now and didn't seem to lack anything

[open monolith]

it got target capped

[sweet summit]

its dropoff damage now

[open monolith]

does significantly less damage than it used to

[kindred crypt]

Oh okay D:

[robust summit]

We lose damage but get that dope rage gen from demo

[open monolith]

Roar explosively, dealing [ 170% of Attack Power ] Physical damage to enemies within 12 yds.** Deals reduced damage to secondary targets. Dragon Roar critically strikes for 3 times normal damage.**

[kindred crypt]

Thank you :3

[sweet summit]

BV is more damage

so we dont lose damage

[robust summit]

20% debuff?

[sweet summit]

yes

[open monolith]

it didn't used to deal reduced damage.

[robust summit]

Ah

I am going to try and escape from dps warrior and go to prot

[open monolith]

BV was always the better choice, because Dragon's Roar is stupid thematically and I hate extra buttons.

fight me

[robust summit]

How is dragon roar stupid thematically?

[open monolith]

because I said so

[robust summit]

Warriors are all about dragons

[open monolith]

Warriors have nothing to do with dragons

I'd be happier with it if it was just like... called "Angry Shout"

take the dragon out

just want to be angry mans yelling

[still pagoda]

warrior is all about sword&board and simplicity

[open monolith]

or "Sudden Expletive"

[still pagoda]

no dragons, no magic

[sweet summit]

i think dr is epic as fuck

[still pagoda]

just your typical DnD warrior

[robust summit]

Sorry I am still on legion mindset

[still pagoda]

stupid as fuck

wield a sword or an axe

MUH SMASH SHIT

[jagged pier]

we didnt us DR there ither if i remeber

[still pagoda]

that's for arms tho

prot is just more strategical in terms of design

[honest plinth]

roaaar

[naive swan]

Does anyone know if the anima emitter trinket in Spires of Ascension will drop for prot loot spec?

[open monolith]

yes

it does

[naive swan]

Thanks dude @open monolith

[open monolith]

o7

[robust summit]

Prot would be a wall of armor

[open monolith]

i think you can check what spec loot drops for in the dungeon journal btw

[honest plinth]

🚪

[naive swan]

Yep was just thinking about it and away from pc, more reason to farm it

[open monolith]

I wish we got the Paladin's flail from mage tower 😦

[robust summit]

Are you telling me to leave 😔😔😔?

[open monolith]

i don't like the boney theme

[jagged pier]

no we are 🚪 not wall

[robust summit]

Why door

🚪

[open monolith]

it's a dumb prot warrior discord meme

[jagged pier]

because we are

🚪

[open monolith]

don't think too hard about it

just 🚪

[robust summit]

Oh

[open monolith]

just remember, when in doubt

🚪

[robust summit]

The only tank spec I played was BrM in legion and did heroic antorus a good amount of times

[elfin pebble]

That is why my shield is a big door.

[robust summit]

Idk anything about other classes

[open monolith]

is there a big door transmog shield?

if so, please direct me to it

[naive swan]

Yeah from bfa right

Jail cell door

Its not huge though

[robust summit]

I think wrath has some too

[jagged pier]

from tol i think

[elfin pebble]

Imporvised riot shield

but spelled correctly

[naive swan]

Bingo

[open monolith]

Ha. awesome. it's a door

if only i could use the mage tower appearance flail with a different shield

BLIZZARD WHY

UNLINK THEM DAMMIT

[jagged pier]

you can

[naive swan]

You can @open monolith

[open monolith]

wat

[honest plinth]

you can

[robust summit]

100% can

[naive swan]

At least I thought I did it once

[open monolith]

I Swear whenever I try it doesn't let me click anything

[jagged pier]

if you go to the artifact tab it wont

but they are in the one handed sword tab now

they will then

[honest plinth]

transmog it as 1h

[open monolith]

😮

[robust summit]

Yeah ignore the artifact tab

[open monolith]

i didn't see it in the 1h window

this changes everything

[naive swan]

Lol 🤯 @open monolith

[open monolith]

because i fucking hate that shield

[robust summit]

I’m so sad I don’t have the mage tower for prot

The flail is so unique

[elfin pebble]

same

[open monolith]

that fight was reeeeeeal tough when you were as undergeared as i was lol

[naive swan]

Mage tower took me sooo many times

But worth

[jagged pier]

it wasnt

i went back later on my alliance prot

[open monolith]

shut up nerd, it was hard.

[robust summit]

I never attempted mage tower on any of my rooms even after I was heroic antorus geared on my mage and monk

Idk why

[elfin pebble]

What talents do you guys run right now? I'm feeling let down and want to know if its just me as a warrior with bad talents or everyone as a warrior because blizzards hates us rn.

[jagged pier]

we have really good talents

[robust summit]

Prot has a learning curve btw, it takes a bit to pick up

[open monolith]

blizzard doesn't hate warriors

warriors, specifically prot, is in a VERY good spot

arms and fury less so

[robust summit]

Blizzard hates warrior as dps

They are trying to vanilla us again

Make prot the viable spec for raid

[sweet summit]

?

[kindred crypt]

Are all the tanks equal? Or is there a big difference in some of them?
Like rankings because some lack this and some that

[robust summit]

I’m guessing if pally doesn’t get tuned, it would be the best for m+

Because of its damage numbers

[open monolith]

devastator / x / booming voice / crackling thunder / indomitable / ravager / Anger management or Bolster @elfin pebble

[elfin pebble]

sorry i asked a question and never engaed. mormons knocked on the door

[strong forum]

every tank has some niches here and there, defensively theyre all in a pretty good spot

[open monolith]

you can make an argument for UF vs Ravager, but ravager is usually better.

[sweet summit]

pally is squishy at higher keys, but idk if we're getting that high in s1

[kindred crypt]

And bdk? I heard they are more likely to get 1shot

[kindred crypt]

Okay, thank you :3

[open monolith]

bdk is bad in m+ from what I understand

but fine in raids

[robust summit]

Does Bdk have a mitigation?

[open monolith]

bone shield?

[sweet summit]

boneshield

[robust summit]

It does right?

Oh ok

[jagged pier]

yer but its reactive more than proactive

[sweet summit]

and death strike i guess

[undone sun]

is recently used death strike still a thing

[sweet summit]

no

[kindred crypt]

It showed the debuff, but idk if that does anything

Not even a description there

[robust summit]

How is Vengeance doing lately?

[open monolith]

great

[barren anvil]

guys dps wise

[open monolith]

VDH and Prot Pally are the "best" at the moment, due to their insane damage output

[robust summit]

Havoc is really sleepy and boring but I liked Vengeance

[barren anvil]

dps wise where should i spend my rage when target isnt in execute range? Is it really just revange spam?

[elfin pebble]

Since I am venthyr for arms do I want to use condemn at all? I would think single for sure but idk about aoe

[open monolith]

@barren anvil you don't use your rage for DPS unless you are doing trivial content / DEFINITELY don't need the mitigation

but, yes, you would then spam revenge outside of execute

[jagged pier]

@elfin pebble not in aoe

its okay on ST

[elfin pebble]

ok

thats what I thought but wanted to ask

[open monolith]

you could always throw out a condemn in aoe to guarantee the last hit in order to proc a victory rush 😮

[elfin pebble]

yeah

[robust summit]

The prot channel is so much more chill than fury and arms

[elfin pebble]

fury is rough

arms can be good

[undone sun]

dps channels are always rough

[barren anvil]

cuz tanks are chill guys ;d

[elfin pebble]

prot is chill af

[barren anvil]

we gotta carry people

we need to be chill af

[late bay]

chill but chain pulling is a thrill

[naive swan]

Because we have patience and understanding @robust summit

[late bay]

aint that right me bruddas

[elfin pebble]

Is taht why my back hurts @barren anvil

[barren anvil]

btw plaguefall is awesome

u can skip 90% dungeon trash xD

[elfin pebble]

yeah

until m+ but then you can pretty much pick your %

[barren anvil]

did anyone of you found out some good momoents in dungeon to use spell reflect?

i feel like im just spamming it like a retard

[sweet summit]

pins haave a sheet

[obtuse yoke]

y'all running this for dungeon leveling spam?

[robust summit]

Plaguefall is honestly one of the best dungeons this patch

[sweet summit]

ravager

[barren anvil]

are there any key moments to pump that dps meter up with spell reflect?

[sweet summit]

devastator

[robust summit]

The spider bitch

[sweet summit]

storm bolt

[robust summit]

Is a little rough

[sweet summit]

rest is fine

[naive swan]

Devastator ya

[mighty smelt]

Ravager even with the demo shout leggo?

[open monolith]

fuck storm bolt imo

[strong forum]

stormbolt is bis

[obtuse yoke]

damn we do devastor now in dungeons?

[sweet summit]

id still takeravager

[open monolith]

storm bolt is an extra button

[strong forum]

we take deva everywhere

[open monolith]

and therefor garbage

🙂

[barren anvil]

deva and ravager are nobrainers here

[open monolith]

B O O M E R F I N G E R S

[jagged pier]

I would take deva and Rav, i dont have the gcds really to use punish

[robust summit]

Oh wait I forgot that tanks don’t have to worry about sims and stuff for dps, tanks are all about theorycrafting

[mighty smelt]

Interesting, I thought UF would be good with the leggo but will try Ravager

[robust summit]

And swapping talents

[sweet summit]

what

we sim for dps

wdym

[obtuse yoke]

aite i'll take ravager

[robust summit]

I phrased that bad

[open monolith]

@mighty smelt it IS good with thunderlord legendary, however ravager is just ALWAYS good.

[jagged pier]

@mighty smelt Rav still better with leggo

[mighty smelt]

Sweet, I've never tried Ravager so should be fun

[jagged pier]

@robust summit we will be getting sims when they are done

[uncut finch]

Are you guys using the pvp trinket with haste?

[jagged pier]

nop

[open monolith]

no

[steel mauve]

mostly they are waiting for raid week to release sims

[open monolith]

I can't wait for the sims to show that ravager is trash and UF is king with Thunderlords

this won't happen, but I can hope

[robust summit]

Does running personal sims for prot do anything? Idk what to look for in a tank

[uncut finch]

Why not?

[jagged pier]

@open monolith they dont

[earnest lava]

hi guys, is this trinket any good?

[sweet summit]

dog shiut

[open monolith]

no that trinket is trash

[sweet summit]

vendor it

[steel mauve]

only dps, you cant sim for defense, basically you just follow a stat priority

[open monolith]

put it in the garbage

set it on fire

[jagged pier]

no thats dogshit

[earnest lava]

does the dmg do threat?

[sweet summit]

yes bubt 62 is nothing

[mighty smelt]

Ravager is stronger than UF even in M+? Does it do comparable damage to clapping?

[jagged pier]

like that wont fix threat issues if ou have them

[sweet summit]

yes id say so

[open monolith]

Yes Takeh

[jagged pier]

@mighty smelt yep more dam more rage gen

[kindred crypt]

Why is it shit? I do use ir because I did think the armour and extra damage is nice D:

[open monolith]

armor is shit and the damage it adds is shit

[mighty smelt]

Interesting, I'd written it off, this is gonna be fun it's a cool ability

Thanks guys!

[sweet summit]

ravager fucking owns so hard i love it

[robust summit]

And one last thing

[mighty smelt]

Yeah I read WoWhead and it suggest UF generally so I'm glad

[open monolith]

I like clapping every other GCD and using Booming voice constantly. I'm a UF boi.

[earnest lava]

HAHA ok that's a no then 😛

[robust summit]

Is there any room for prot in pvp? Like rbgs

[sweet summit]

wowhead has two builds it suggersts

[jagged pier]

@mighty smelt read the icy veins one its better

[sweet summit]

fuck im ahving a stroke

[mighty smelt]

Yeah the offensive one suggests UF :D

It does say that Ravager is a good talent generally though so that's my bad

[open monolith]

that's because UF is for big brain big pp prot warriors

don't tell anyone i said that though

they'll get mad at me

[sweet summit]

fasle

[mighty smelt]

I don't listen to socks, maybe gloves

[open monolith]

eyir sock

socks?

!eyir do something

!eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @open monolith

[open monolith]

there we go

[undone sun]

eyir socks

[gilded tendon]

🧦

[robust summit]

!eyir dum

[mighty smelt]

Hahaha, I'm hyped to test ravager tomorrow

[sweet summit]

eyir cocks

[gilded tendon]

[undone sun]

wow

i expected nothing less

[robust summit]

Eyir weird

😦

[mighty smelt]

Does that also mean that I can take the shield slam leggo now? (even though both seem good)

[open monolith]

shield slam leggo is bis for raid

and still really good for dungneons

though TL is bis for m+

[sweet summit]

the wall is from the raid as well

so you cant even craft it yet

[mighty smelt]

Yeah, I'll wait for HC tuning before crafting but I prefer the wall leggo

Yeah I'm not crafting anything yet just in case

[robust summit]

It’s ok they just didn’t see

[sweet summit]

no

[robust summit]

😦

[open monolith]

in RBG? no

in random BGs?

sure play whatever the fuck you want

AFK in spawn

or auto run with something weighing down on your W key

[robust summit]

Rbg is dps with heals

?

[open monolith]

rbg is cancer

all pvp is cancer

cancer is bad.

[slate shell]

wait what, is ravager actually better than UF for m+?

[open monolith]

this message brought to you by a totally unbiased sock

in most cases, yes cyrus

[jagged pier]

yep @slate shell c

[open monolith]

but I will tell you no

because i like UF

[slate shell]

do we have a ballpark % of how much better it is in general?

[open monolith]

I'm not convinced there are any actual numbers about why ravager is better

[jagged pier]

for higher keys much better as you have to take bolster

[open monolith]

it's all feelcraft

[jagged pier]

and the uf build falls apart without am

[open monolith]

^ that is the real reason

for low keys, whatever man, use ravager or UF

but when shit gets real, you have to take bolster, and UF is garbage without AM

[sweet summit]

id still take ravager 🤷‍♀️

[open monolith]

that's because you're one of those

[jagged pier]

I would also still take rav

[robust summit]

Yo I’m gonna just go necro and see what happens

[open monolith]

no don't

[sweet summit]

why not

[open monolith]

you know why

[robust summit]

I have nothing to lose

[sweet summit]

if man wants to be a sandbag, let him be

[robust summit]

I’m on the edge

[strong forum]

if you play the wrong covenant you die IRL dont you know

[worthy grail]

Cause why would you play something you enjoy more

[open monolith]

LOL

[worthy grail]

gosh

[open monolith]

WOW ISNT ABOUT FUN THOMSON

YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME TO YOU?!

[slate shell]

on a side note, is whirlwind even worth being in my actionbars

[open monolith]

it's time to grow up and look at the FACTS

WoW is LIFE

[sweet summit]

nope

[worthy grail]

Canyou go back in the drawer pleae

[open monolith]

no it's dark in there

😦

[robust summit]

You guys are out here with your cool covenants but I know that blizzard will save necro if I fully commit to it

[slate shell]

@sweet summit was that nope for me?

[sweet summit]

yep

[open monolith]

see, not going NEcro was super easy for me

1. aesthetic is garbage

2. ability is doodoo

3. draka is stupid

[jagged pier]

wrong to your first point

[open monolith]

I'm not a mall goth

[kindred crypt]

That hurts

[robust summit]

I would let her fuck me so hard in my cooch

[steel mauve]

draka is a badass imo

[open monolith]

Draka is fan service

WHY DOES SHE LOOK LIKE A PRISTINE ORC

EVERYONE ELSE IS STITCHED TOGETHER AND SHIT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I really hate bone aesthetic

[robust summit]

Alexandros

[open monolith]

and allying with the scourge feels so wrong

[worthy grail]

Bone Asthetic got mad warcraft 3 vibes

I love it

[open monolith]

ironically I played undead in WC3

but I Was a teenager back then

I didn't know any better

[robust summit]

Sock post your current favorite mog for your character

[kindred crypt]

I look anime while playing WoW, do you think fan service is unusual? In any game or series or whatever? xD

[worthy grail]

Looking at chat the past min you are still a young teenager

[sweet summit]

anime owns

[open monolith]

"Hey man, wanna go check out the new stuff at Hot Topic!"
"Yeah, but only after we shop for neon gas masks!"
-Necrolords, probably

[mighty smelt]

Imagine not going Night Fae 👀

[kindred crypt]

What's wrong with neon gas masks? Can't people like what they like?

[open monolith]

Don't mistake my youthful exuberance for actual youthfulness

I'm 32

[kindred crypt]

Old D:

[open monolith]

lol

[kindred crypt]

Sorry D:

[open monolith]

I started WoW when I was young

shakes fist

[robust summit]

@open monolith Sock post your current favorite mog for your character

[mighty smelt]

Socks can't play WoW, let alone screenshot

[worthy grail]

your 32 saying thigns are "Garbage and Doo doo"

[kindred crypt]

I started WoW in Legion and did skip nearly whole bfa, I am proud of skipping that bs xD

[worthy grail]

Nuff said

[open monolith]

yes, because I know how to have fun?

[kindred crypt]

So I am a newbie I guess :3

[open monolith]

becoming older doesn't somehow mean I have to speak like I have a stick up my ass

when you realize that your age doesn't really mean anything, you've grown up

[kindred crypt]

It doesn't mean, but it probably happens often

[open monolith]

so your stupid doodoo opinion is garbage

[worthy grail]

oh your bringing up my original point. of you being a teenager

[robust summit]

How old your mom

[worthy grail]

old enough to be my mom

[sweet summit]

can you not

[worthy grail]

Gotem

[open monolith]

idk what you're going for here

so I'm going to choose to believe you're being facetious, rather than ignorant

[robust summit]

She looking for a wife?

[open monolith]

Alex, my favorite mog is enchante thorium w/ stormforged shoulders

[worthy grail]

she is bout that life

[open monolith]

it's in the transmog channel... somewhere

oh here it is #protection message

forgive the bad lighting, I am bad at screenshots

[kindred crypt]

That one looks good :3

[robust summit]

Holy fuck

You did it

You made a plate mog look good on female trolls

[open monolith]

hell yeah brother

troll ladies are the only horde females other than belves that don't look like shit

[robust summit]

You are the first person I’ve seen do that

Orc women

CAN FUCK ME

LIKE MY LEGS ARE OPEN

[open monolith]

it's literally just "Enchanted Thorium" set + Stormforged (I think) shoulders

and I think I have a cloak on that matches the colors, no idea what it is called though

[robust summit]

What realm you on btw

[open monolith]

Thrall - NA

[robust summit]

Omg thrall was my first server 🥺🥺🥺🥺

[open monolith]

I played on Proudmoore for years

[oblique garnet]

[robust summit]

I played on WrA and got into RP for like 8 years and ignored content and now since legion I have been doing content because apparently the game is fun

[open monolith]

I want to go back to Alliance, tbh

but we got a new friend to play recently who has never played a PC game in his life, and he likes horde, so we let him pick

[honest plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[open monolith]

gotta stick with my homies

old-man gamers gotta stick together

[robust summit]

I’ve been playing dwarves lately

[still pagoda]

EU/RU alliance is dead

so i don't care anymore

[robust summit]

They are so stocky

I love them

[open monolith]

pls just enable cross-faction raiding and dungeons already

I know that Ion is super "NEVER" about it, but like

please?

[robust summit]

Ion more like Ew-on

[steel mauve]

there have been a lot of things they were "never gonna happen ever ever ever" about but eventually happens

[barren anvil]

I was realling hoping that leggo Signet of tormented kings will be strong af

sounds awesome

avatar+bladestorm etc

[sweet summit]

nope

[open monolith]

it's good for Fury.. I think?

[barren anvil]

but they say it sucks

[robust summit]

Arms

[barren anvil]

its for prot too

[jagged pier]

@barren anvil its not

[sweet summit]

great for amrs and fury

[open monolith]

it's super doodoo for prot

[sweet summit]

ass for prot

[jagged pier]

only avatar procs it and 3 secs on reck or bladestorm is so bad

[robust summit]

Deathmaker is really good for fury

[jagged pier]

some would say its bis

[honest plinth]

furybois use blockade one

[barren anvil]

seismic referbration i was hoping would deal a lot of aoe dmg

but still thunderlord too stronk

[sweet summit]

seems to be good for pure dps

[jagged pier]

seismic is good for memes

[barren anvil]

Judgement of the arbiter is for memes ! 😄

5x in m+

i wanna see that

[honest plinth]

we have no ash for memes yet 😄

[earnest lava]

same for this? garbo? or useful for a standing still raid encounter? 😛

[slate shell]

this might be a weird question out of curiosity, but if i was to min max my prot warrior for m+, what race would be considered the best, i know its definetely not undead, but im sticking to it

[open monolith]

that looks pretty bad to me Kaiyu

heals are negligible, slow is bad, armor is bad

[placid delta]

NF is amazing for M+

(imo)

[sweet summit]

alliance or horde

[barren anvil]

@slate shell i run tauren. +stamina and aoe stun for 2 second up to 5 targets every 3min

[slate shell]

@sweet summit horde

[open monolith]

Cyrus I think for prot, the MIN/MAX best is highmountain for horde and Kultiran for alliance

[placid delta]

oh race

[honest plinth]

vulpera

[sweet summit]

vulpera/blef really

[earnest lava]

@open monolith thanks

[barren anvil]

why vulpera o_O?

[sweet summit]

tauren and panda are good too

nose for trouble

is pgood

[open monolith]

but the ACTUAL best race is the one you like the best because aesthetics are everything

[honest plinth]

kultiran is not that good for prot as for monk

[opal escarp]

is no one running into the fray because of our current gear levels? the spec feels unbearably slow to me with like 10% haste

[earnest lava]

@open monolith final question, which of these two?

[open monolith]

how is healing back 2% of all damage taken not good?

[sweet summit]

Leech imo 👀

[open monolith]

they get 1% vers, which is fine, and 2% of all damage taken healed back

I can't imagine a single scenario where anyone would call that racial not bis for tanks

AND they get 2 separate elemental resistances lol, but that's usually just a meme anyway

[barren anvil]

I thought vulperas just reduce 5% of first taken damage

it says that on wowhead

[open monolith]

it does

it is bad

people will try to convince you it isn't

and they are wrong

[sweet summit]

Is not bad

Sock please stop

[open monolith]

It is mathematically not good

[barren anvil]

so where is 2% healing back?

[open monolith]

2% healing back is kul'tiran

sorry, I wasn't clear

[barren anvil]

ah ye

[kindred crypt]

I like vulpera warrior, the racial is nice :3

And my kyrian helper is bigger than me, that's always interesting to see xD

[open monolith]

I once saw someone unironically try to say that Vulpera racial provided more DR than Kul'tiran over the course of a dungeon and I was just too shocked at the hilariousness for that comment to even respond

(if you consider self healing DR)

[kindred crypt]

I didn't mean it like that

[open monolith]

not you

it was a long time ago

wasn't implying you meant that either

[kindred crypt]

Was more as a: if you start into a fight and have nothing up, it's a nice reduction, but it's useful anyway

Ahh okay, my bad then :3

[open monolith]

you can make a case for nose for trouble as sometimes taking that 5% less damage on the very first hit can make the healer's life a little easier in the first few seconds of a fight :p

but to call it a good racial is silly. It exists. It's nice.

[kindred crypt]

But I am always wondering, does the zandalari racial have a use for tanks? Do they have a Loa for that?

[open monolith]

Bwomsamdi gives you self healing 😮 you can be a budget undead

[sweet summit]

They do but its not taken

You take paku or kimbul iirc

[kindred crypt]

I do call the dwarf a good racial, I appreciate the idea of removing necrotic and bleeds and stuff, just haven't used it so I have no ground on arguing

[open monolith]

dwarf racial is very good

[sweet summit]

Dwarf racial is extremely strong

[open monolith]

especially this expansion

high mountain tauren is solid. Constant damage reduction

plus extra stun always nice

[subtle kestrel]

Kyrian is best race hands down

[open monolith]

and extra vers

[slate shell]

is bwomsandi racial similar to touch of the grave from undead?

[sweet summit]

Not a race but ok

[slate shell]

i mean in terms of %

[kindred crypt]

I am always jealous of my friend who is a dwarf tank, he likes to mock me with that xD

[open monolith]

In terms of function? it's the same. in terms of dps? no idea

[subtle kestrel]

Omg I’m a monkey I meant to put vulpera

Vulpera best race

[open monolith]

get out

I do envy make camp though D:

[subtle kestrel]

Yeah make camp is about the best part lol

[kindred crypt]

Now where we talked about zandalari racial I want to see a zandalari with wings

Gotta need to level my paladin

[open monolith]

I'm glad I don't try to minmax race

or else I'd probably be high mountain

or belf

[kindred crypt]

I just take what looks sick imo

[open monolith]

I take what looks pretty

and isn't belf

[kindred crypt]

I like the racial of belf

[open monolith]

oh yeah, it's great

[kindred crypt]

But not enough to level another char

[subtle kestrel]

Ok real talk vulpera looks good in everything tmogged. And my shields are bigger than my character

[kindred crypt]

Buuuut belf with wings surely looks sick

[open monolith]

belf look great, yes

very pretty, too. great customizations

[slate shell]

in wow, i have only one rule since day1, i dont play classes that cant be played by undead

[kindred crypt]

Jokes on you, even your kyrian helper is bigger than you xD

These owls or what they are, bigger than a vulpera

[open monolith]

undead worst race

impossible to make look pretty.

[kindred crypt]

When you like belf, why won't you play one?

[sweet summit]

Undead is cool

[kindred crypt]

Naaa

[open monolith]

because i spent soooooooooo long playing nothing but belf

like, 90% of my characters were belf

I just can't bring myself to do it again lol

[kindred crypt]

Haven't seen a good looking undead, so they aren't cool :3

[open monolith]

kind similar to why i will never main the same class 2 expansions in a row (or at least spec)

i like to change things up

[grand drum]

about 50% of the horde playerbase is belf iirc

[subtle kestrel]

😂😂😂 true

[open monolith]

I just want to know why Blizzard used Lady Ashvane for their ideal Kul'tiran female instead of Jaina 😐

[kindred crypt]

Am I behind much if I start to level my character next reset? I am just a lazy duck and can't decide between which tanks to play and which to level

[open monolith]

I mean, yeah you'll be behind

but don't stress about it

is just a game

eventually being behind a week or 2 means nothing

[subtle kestrel]

^ yup learned that last expac

[slate shell]

is there a renown catchup? if he starts next week, will he be able to get to renown9 in 1week?

[digital nova]

Doesn't stop me, i play a KT warrior and Druid

[open monolith]

yes. Alts in threads of fate gain renown through the zone objectives

and I've heard that callings will give renown at some point, idk if that's true though

[kind tinsel]

Soul ash is the one that's unabled to catch up

[golden tapir]

any one have a grasp on best trinkets?

[kindred crypt]

The thing is, I am the only tank in my friend group D: I dont want to let them down, but deciding on a main is hard for me because basically, every tank is attractive since I am not good enough anyway for that to matter xD

[golden tapir]

also you are behind if you are looking to raid mythic other wise enjoy the game and what you play @kindred crypt

[open monolith]

@golden tapir Hakkar trinket + phial

[kindred crypt]

I dont raid and probably won't, that's why everything is open, we are only m+ :3

[golden tapir]

i have phial and the Darkmoon deck of voracity @open monolith

[open monolith]

you have 2 very good trinkets

Hakkar trinket is better than voracity, but i wouldn't stress about finding it, as voracity is solid

[golden tapir]

yea

i have tried for hakkar alot but nothing ever drops lol

i also got anima field emiiter

its uptime is what tempts me but staying in the circle can be a challenge

[tough zealot]

Hi mates, for Thunderlord leg, do you prefer hands or feet ?

Or perhaps anything is fine ?

[golden tapir]

I dont think it matters

[empty locust]

Go boots

[golden tapir]

since the one your going for is in the raid and that's shoulders

but I was going boots sine the stomp is from the feet!

[open monolith]

Well

it's thunder CLAP

so....

👏

[golden tapir]

nooo

look at the animation

its a big boy stomp

[open monolith]

oh I see the animation

👏 👏

[kindred crypt]

He stomps yeah, weird stuff blizzard implemented

[digital nova]

yeah go boots, it's the only way to get haste vers boots in this tier

[open monolith]

well, the vers isn't super duper important

it's just the haste we care about

CN has 2 haste boots

and only 1 haste gloves

i'd say: buy whatever is cheaper / whatever you need the upgrade for

eventually, you'll have enough soul ash to craft another one for the other slot and it won't matter 🙂

[digital nova]

I prefer flat damage reduction over parry or block

[open monolith]

so do whatever is the temporary best for you

We will all have a rank 4 gloves and rank 4 boots thunderlord eventually

[kindred crypt]

If I remember correctly, earlier here was said paladin is bad at 18+, wasn't it?

[digital nova]

i did not get lucky with chest/shoulders/rings so i have a ton of crit and mastery

[open monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/coffin-dance-gif-18050183

as long as your ilvl went up you're still doin ok

[digital nova]

we're fine, 182 ilvl

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/dalaran/skuldir

[open monolith]

see? you're doin great

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/thrall/luckysock

I gotta get rid of that neck.

[digital nova]

saaaaaaaaaame the haste neck (and ring for that matter) refuses to drop for anyone but arms warriors and DKs

[open monolith]

oooh yeah... that haste ring definitely doesn't exist.. haha .. haha don't look at my character sheet haha

ha.... >.>

[digital nova]

M+ should make things significantly better

[open monolith]

wait you HAVE the haste ring

[digital nova]

one of them

i need both

[limpid pawn]

are we back to anger management and UF?

[open monolith]

oh shit there's another? where from

[limpid pawn]

or no

[digital nova]

necrotic wake

first boss

[open monolith]

set your loot spec to arms for first boss

get ring

ez pz 🙂

[digital nova]

hahaha

[open monolith]

@limpid pawn most people using Ravager with AM or Bolster

I still like UF because I'm bad at video games and don't like having more buttons

[limpid pawn]

what about synergy w/ thunderlord

[digital nova]

I run HR and UF, which is suboptimal apparently, but i like the block uptime

[limpid pawn]

doesn't that favor AM/UF a bit

[open monolith]

yes, it has synergy with thunderlord. nobody here seems to think that makes it better than ravager

except for me

but I'm a nobody

[golden tapir]

so what item is it that can be used for ledg?

crafted only?

[steel mauve]

ya UF synergizes with thunderlords but ravager still does more damage than UF because TGV doesnt add damage to thunderclap, and ravager will still generate more rage

[open monolith]

because T

[digital nova]

I like T

[open monolith]

Ironkuting has spoken

[steel mauve]

playing dnd in VTT and trying to hit shift to continue on my sentence and clipped enter lol

[open monolith]

has anyone done actual math to show that ravager generates more rage than the amount of extra thunder claps generates including more booming voice shouts?

[golden tapir]

yea I love dropping spear Rav and stomping

some really really nice dmg

[digital nova]

I'm with sock, I'm skipping the extra button that ravager takes up lol

[open monolith]

4.5 sec off of demo shout every other GCD is pretty huge o.o

[slate shell]

@steel mauve whats TGV again?

[open monolith]

TGV = TL

thunderlord

TGV was the original acronym for the legion legendary

[slate shell]

aight

[open monolith]

more Tclaps also = more shield slam resets

i am honestly not convinced that ravager is more rage.

[limpid pawn]

the only thing that makes me worry about the AM build

is downtime for mitigation

[barren anvil]

guys btw if i throw Ravvager

and then avatar

does it increase damage?

[limpid pawn]

i feel like without bolster, we won't be viable in M+ at all

[strong forum]

yes

[steel mauve]

thunderlords, the item is thunderlords but the lego power you get is thundergods vigor

[strong forum]

you dont play AM in actual keys

only for low keys/when youre boosting

[golden tapir]

so in real keys what we run rav and bolster

[strong forum]

yes

[golden tapir]

dope

[acoustic stratus]

piercing verdict conduit up in ardenweald

[digital nova]

oh shit logging in now, where about?

[golden tapir]

thank you!

[acoustic stratus]

far left

[limpid pawn]

keybinds area not the issue, but ravager doesn't feel very much like a warrior move lol

[slate shell]

is that in US servers?

[limpid pawn]

i just don't like the flavor of ravager

[golden tapir]

its fun

[slate shell]

cause its not up for me in EU

[acoustic stratus]

US right now

[golden tapir]

when u toss a rav and a spear

and see your dps

you will get behind it

[open monolith]

@strong forum is there any math anywhere that shows ravager is legit more rage than UF/AM w/ TL? or does it really all come down to UF being bad without AM, and we use bolster for serious content?

[acoustic stratus]

im using itf right now

[open monolith]

factoring in demo shout CDR from more claps, and more shield slam resets from more claps

[golden tapir]

o

[acoustic stratus]

the haste is more useful than ravager imo

[open monolith]

^ this is wrong for anything other than single target fights

[golden tapir]

i just dont think into the fray does enough

[open monolith]

it doesn't outside of raids

[golden tapir]

at that point unstoppable is better

[strong forum]

ravager is 60 rage every 45 seconds
UF grants you 50% more TCs every 1.5min for 20seconds, thats like 20-30 extra rage per avatar

[open monolith]

more than every 1.5 minutes with AM

[limpid pawn]

to make UF better, you would also need AM

[acoustic stratus]

wouldnt UF be better than itf in raids?

[strong forum]

giving that TL is hardcapped to 4.5seconds per clap, its still minimum CD of 20seconds

[ionic fern]

No. 🙂

[strong forum]

UF is the weakest talent for raiding

[ionic fern]

ItF will be the go-to raid talent most likely.

[acoustic stratus]

alright im dumb, ignore me

why is it bad though

[open monolith]

@strong forum factor in avatar CDR from AM as well?

[strong forum]

youre forced to ply AM with UF yes, but it was also asked if it really isnt worth it.

[limpid pawn]

yeah because picking AM makes you unviable for high keys

[open monolith]

and extra rage from booming voice?

[golden tapir]

so raiding its ITF > Rav??

[barren anvil]

i guess so

[prisma swift]

Hey all, does unbreakable will only apply to my party, and not the whole raid? and if I am in a raid will it only apply to the other 4 members of the party in my raid?

[acoustic stratus]

is punish worth using in raid for the enemy damage decrease?

[open monolith]

party

[limpid pawn]

for raids, Ideally you would go... Punish/doubletime/booming voice/ bounding stride/indomitable/ into the fray/bolster

[digital nova]

how unviable are we talking? like "literally garbage don't even try?"

[open monolith]

punish isn't necessarily better than devastator for raid 😮

[ionic fern]

I would argue for Devastator over Punish tbh. 👀

[strong forum]

AM means ~50% cdr on avatar, making it so you get it say on 45sec cd, same as ravager, meaning it would be less raw rage than from ravager still, but with BV in mind, you get slightly more uptime on demo maybe beating ravager

[open monolith]

@digital nova no

[strong forum]

but giving how weak AM is defensively

its absolutely not worth it the uptime on Demo over Bolster

[open monolith]

right right right

again not talking about high shit where bolster is needed

let's pretend we're talking carries

or low keys

[strong forum]

then you play AM

that was never in doubt

[open monolith]

specific to ravager vs UF

with TL

and BV

[acoustic stratus]

a 20% chance to reset SS vs shield slam does 20% more damage and enemy damage decrease

[strong forum]

UF makes your rotation clunky during Avatar missing out on revenge casts due to wanting to use both SS and TC on CD

[acoustic stratus]

and you go with devestator?

[strong forum]

i dont like it

Devastator makes your rotation way smoother and grants more rage

[ionic fern]

Yes, Devastator out performs Punish.

🙂

• the damage intake in raids is laughable.

[open monolith]

still pretty sure it doesn't grant more rage over the course of 45 seconds

[acoustic stratus]

can I read about that anywhere

[open monolith]

with the fact that it lowers avatar and demo shout CD so much

[strong forum]

you still have TL without UF

my guy

[open monolith]

I....

😐

completely didn't factor that in

[strong forum]

lmao

[digital nova]

what makes bolster mandatory for pushing keys, as opposed to other talents on the tier, not trolling I genuinely want to know

[open monolith]

fuck you

[strong forum]

KEK

[open monolith]

welp

🚪

[digital nova]

cuz that'll be a playstyle change i need to practice if that's the case

[acoustic stratus]

makes you more survivable with constant shield block against melees that will murk you and pool a lot of rage

[open monolith]

@digital nova downtime in shield block

hurts REAL bad in high keys

bolster fixes that issue

[steel mauve]

its just the better defensive option

[acoustic stratus]

cause im guessing most people arent 20% haste

[digital nova]

and HR just isn't compeitive with bolster

[acoustic stratus]

or got lucky

[open monolith]

i mean even with 20% haste that doesn't mean you shouldn't take bolster

even with 50%

even with 75%

what is it we need like... 160% haste for 100% uptime on shield block?

[acoustic stratus]

is anyone going dragon roar over booming?

[open monolith]

no

[acoustic stratus]

ive seen some pople do it

[open monolith]

dragon's roar got nerfed

[acoustic stratus]

oh when

[open monolith]

right before release

[acoustic stratus]

ah

[open monolith]

read the last line of the talent

"reduced damage to secondary targets"

that was the nail in the coffin

[digital nova]

and IP can't cover the gap in SB uptime in high keys?

[open monolith]

Well, it's not SB or IP

it's both

you should be using both as often as possible

[steel mauve]

ip isnt really an AM, its more of a damage smoother and shouldnt be relied upon as such

[open monolith]

at really high keys you need to kite when SB Isn't up

or hard CC

[slate shell]

am i like in the minority that doesnt playt devastator

[ionic fern]

Probably.

[open monolith]

yeah.

[steel mauve]

ya at higher keys learn to kite early, run as far as you can and as fast as you can to buy time for SB

[strong forum]

yes

[acoustic stratus]

I want punish to be good

[open monolith]

and when your pug group says "OMG THIS TANKE IS BAD WHY IS HE KITING" remind them that if they have to ask that they probably haven't done a high enough key to understand why it is important

[steel mauve]

dont be afraid to just disengage with heroic leap and haul ass'

[strong forum]

166% Haste for raw SB uptime without HR or Bolster

[digital nova]

I mean, that's what leap is for, right? kiting?

[open monolith]

leap, spear, tclap, shockwave

[kindred crypt]

That are people like me, who are just uninformed af

[open monolith]

INTIMIDATING SHOUT IF YOU'RE REAL BRAVE

[strong forum]

i use Fear Shout to interrupt

rather than to kite

[open monolith]

heall yeah

[steel mauve]

does intim shout make em run away or do they stand in place feared?

[digital nova]

I'm actually really good at hitting intimidating into a shockwave

[open monolith]

primary target cowers

[digital nova]

it's a good backup interrrupt

[open monolith]

the rest run

[strong forum]

it makes your main Target stay in Place

[open monolith]

if they all cowered it would probably be op

[strong forum]

(it breaks instantly anyway)

[acoustic stratus]

that conduit for fear, wonder if it will ever be used

[strong forum]

VDH fear sigil makes the mobs stand still

all of em

can be very neat if you want a pack to stay away for a while

[open monolith]

VDH is op

[ionic fern]

@open monolith 3 targets, 120s
UF/AM/BV/TL vs Rav/AM/BV/TL

[open monolith]

oh I don't care about DPS

i was curious about rage gen

but that is helpful

[ionic fern]

You were talking about puyshing low keys

ANd boosting

o.o

[open monolith]

i know

i know

it was for... knowledge

[strong forum]

he old

[open monolith]

not for an actual point

i just want to know, for the purpose of knowing

which generates more rage

on max # of targets for tclap CDR with tl

which is what

4? 5?

[ionic fern]

4.5

[strong forum]

3 targets

for max CDR

[open monolith]

ah, yeah

I am just curious what makes more rage

not because I want to say AHA THIS IS BETTER

but because I honestly just want to know

I like knowing things

[acoustic stratus]

what do you think about the raid bosses

[strong forum]

playing in pugs, that generates the most rage

👍

albeit not in game

[open monolith]

trust me I know

i exclusively pug

3/5 of my group

I think the raid bosses look really cool

I think a few of them have a bit of mechanical bloat

but it all looks real fun

[kindred crypt]

Wanna share some stories with me? Haven't played for long and haven't got enough friends to play exclusively in groups :3 would be happy about some tips or nice stories you can tell

[acoustic stratus]

balsy to put shriekwing as the first boss

[kindred crypt]

I probably should have pinged him, shouldn't I?

[prisma swift]

gonna sound dumb, but what does TL stand for?

[open monolith]

What kind of stories you want 😮

[ionic fern]

Thunderlord.

[open monolith]

shriekwing looks super easy

[prisma swift]

Ah, gotcha, ty

[open monolith]

he makes a perfect 1st boss

[acoustic stratus]

putting a pug filter on the first boss

[kindred crypt]

Any stories you wanna tell, good or bad ones :3

[open monolith]

I mean... I'll be honest man, nothing memorable beyond always getting keymaster by week 2 in pugs, felt good about that

[slate shell]

famous last words

[open monolith]

plenty of douche bags

I found being talkative helps combat that

if you're friendly and set the tone, it usually makes for a pleasant experience

Cyrus shriekwing has like

2 mechanics

lol

idk where you think that boss is tough

[ionic fern]

I got yelled at by a random tank in a pug yesterday stating that i know nothing about Protection Warriors (i was healing) when i told him he should swap away from Never Surrender. 🙂

[kindred crypt]

Wait, lemme take notes

[ionic fern]

Is that a good story?

[open monolith]

omg Mwahi

LOL

[kindred crypt]

You make me happy that I dont heal

Its a good one

[slate shell]

the problem isnt how many mechanics shriekwing has, the problem is how many braincells pugsters have 😦

[kindred crypt]

Appreciated

[steel mauve]

youll find that a lot of the time when playing with other prot wars lol

[open monolith]

Shriekwing is mega easy dude.

I promise

that won't be a pug stopper.

the 2nd boss probably will be

[acoustic stratus]

ehhh

[ionic fern]

On mythic it might actually be for some time. 😂

[open monolith]

ah, well, I wasn't talking about mythic

lol

[kindred crypt]

What heal are you playing?

[open monolith]

I stay away from mythic raiding since I only pug

[ionic fern]

Resto druid for now.

[open monolith]

I don't have the time for it

[ionic fern]

Well, i wanted to play it as Balance but i can't get into groups as a DPS to gear up so i'm just gearing up as a healer.

😂

[open monolith]

Balance is simming pretty solidly in patchwerk fights 😮

still trash in dungeons though lol

high keys it'll be good im sure

idk why they didn't just make twin moons baseline 😮

[kindred crypt]

Have you encountered dungeons or bosses where you dont need to heal much and can nearly solely focus on doing dps?

Writing down for a mate who started as resto druid some months ago and we both know shit xD

@ionic fern

[acoustic stratus]

every boss

[open monolith]

set up hots.

DPS.

if you aren't doing this something is wrong

[acoustic stratus]

resto druids are scared to catweave

[open monolith]

I always hated getting healers in FFXIV who came from WoW. They never DPS, lol, and that game is balanced around healers DPSing most of the time

[kindred crypt]

But there are probably somewhere you have less to do and can focus more on DPS, isn't that?

[ionic fern]

It honestly all depends on how well people know the mechanics and pull sizes.
I've been in dungeons where i've had to heal almost nothing due to people interrupting/stunning the correct things and other times i've had to spam heal due to everything just going through.

Mostly on bosses @kindred crypt .

[acoustic stratus]

all i know is that third boss in de other side

will be fucking hard

in high keys

[open monolith]

3rd is relative to the direction you go

hakkar or x'aela?

[steel mauve]

ya, the most frustrating part ive found during pugging is the lack of interrupts used from melee dps, my fiancee interrupts more shit as a mage than melee do

[slate shell]

@kindred crypt this early in the expansion, and especially while pugging dungeons, people dont avoid shit and getting nuked by avoidable damage, its kinda stressful for a healer, later on when people become familiar with dungeons and actually avoid getting blasted, its 1000 times easier to focus on doing dps as a healer, even when another party member is sitting at 10% cause you know, and he knows, that theres no more unavoidable dmg incomming for X seconds

[acoustic stratus]

xaela

[kindred crypt]

That's what I taught him first :3 and now he is actively doing dps and asking me to heal (as I often play paladin) which is interesting :3

[open monolith]

you think she'll be hard in high keys? why?

she does like no damage

[acoustic stratus]

her aoe damage she pulses

[open monolith]

o.o she has an aoe damage pulse?

[acoustic stratus]

yeah

you're on a timer

[open monolith]

i've seen her pewpew laser, and her aoe bombs that you avoid

[kindred crypt]

A small one afaik

But that didn't even hurt

[open monolith]

i am not sure which ability you're talking about

I just checked the abilities

[steel mauve]

you can atleast spell reflect it

[open monolith]

I don't see anything like what you're tlaking about

all her damage is avoidable

mostly avoidable*

[acoustic stratus]

arcane lightning

[open monolith]

ah, now i clicked mythic, I see it

[kindred crypt]

But thank you all for your tips on the resto druid thingy :3

[acoustic stratus]

it is going to wreck parties

since its constant

[open monolith]

it isn't constant

it hits one person, ticks 3 times, then jumps to someone else

[acoustic stratus]

every 9 second it jumps

[open monolith]

as long as you trade it to someone else who hasn't had it recently, it's fine

[acoustic stratus]

and you get vulnerbility

[open monolith]

it jumps to closest person

so you can pass it around intelligently

[kindred crypt]

You can, but pugs can't

[digital nova]

pros and cons to having hamstring on the bar

[kindred crypt]

Probably

[open monolith]

cons: bar space

pros: you can press it

??

[kindred crypt]

Pressing a button D:

[digital nova]

i barely use it as is, and it's in prime real estate for a better ability: storm bolt

[acoustic stratus]

i havent hit hamstring yet

[open monolith]

well then put storm bolt there

and put hamstring somewhere else

i have hit hamstring a non-zero amount of times

but that number is not very far above zero

[twin comet]

You can kite the loyal beasts with hamstring in HoA with hamstring.

[kindred crypt]

What a hamstring?

[acoustic stratus]

cant you fear them

[open monolith]

Why kite beasts

[digital nova]

sometimes, others it's a rough spot to fear in

[ionic fern]

Stun/Fear the cast.