a hunter after i told the group i've never run the dungeon before.
#protection
sick sentinel
tired cove
@deft raptor but i like the dam 😦
open monolith
which was fine because it was normal and I got through it without heals
lavish oracle
Then it's gonna feel slow until you get more haste :P
tired cove
but i has 20% someone lend me another 10
sick sentinel
in the future please do not try to tell me who i am or what i think. i haven't really said a word to you.
open monolith
quiet
sick sentinel
no
open monolith
yes
sick sentinel
im taking a stand
open monolith
and I'm ignoring your stand
sick sentinel
do not tell me who the fuck iam
spring pine
cringe
lavish oracle
Chill, doesn't need to be a big thing
sick sentinel
i'm not upset over a joke, that's the second time today that you've been condescending towards me today
open monolith
The real question is do I bother doing a m0 tour on tuesday or do I just hop straight into M+?
queen current
M+ homie F the bullshit
queen current
same
open monolith
what is this week.... bursting?
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, why bother with another world tour for like 1 possible ilvl
honest plinth
not tour but 1 run 😄
open monolith
bolstering?
queen current
I think Storming is week 1
sick sentinel
okay, i'm putting him on block
open monolith
fortifying bursting
lavish oracle
Good call
lavish oracle
What does storming do again?
honest plinth
not just priest
lavish oracle
Kyrian Phial dispels it too from what I've heard
open monolith
melee tornados or some shit
queen current
yea 1 per party in melee range
open monolith
it's anti-melee week, basically
lavish oracle
Bleh
lavish oracle
Is it like a timed thing? Should I get a Wa for it?
open monolith
I'm not actually sure. Storming didn't exist when I last played, I just know my friend told me it is cancer
honest plinth
i have no priest in my group also i have no melee
dense flame
Meh m+ this season should be chill
lavish oracle
Bursting should be pretty easy now
open monolith
i want.... MM Hunter, Spriest, Frost mage, + a healer.. probably shaman.
dense flame
Once ppl get mechanics
still pagoda
storming = don't bring melee LOL
bring one
open monolith
that's my ideal group, but I'll take whatever
still pagoda
honest plinth
fire mage > frost mage
dense flame
Although M0 doesn’t really open door for mechanic learning
open monolith
See, you're incorrect because fire is stupid and I hate it
dense flame
dense flame
Rogue gonna be big on some dungeons
honest plinth
ye they are stupidly delete mobs
dense flame
Skip some aids mobs
lavish oracle
Outlaw and sub can both pump
grand vault
Little question to everyone playing prot.. how do you guys think of -> Impending Victory over Indomitable // Dragon Roar over Booming Voice // Ravager over Unstoppable Force // Punish over Devastator? Mainly m+ content
strong forum
indom 100% of the time
open monolith
when did Fire get good? they were bordering on doodoo garbage near the end of beta?
honest plinth
sub mm and fire are dps slots
strong forum
BV 100% of the time
Ravager 100% of the time okay ITF in raid
Devastator 100% of the time
strong forum
when did Fire get good? they were bordering on doodoo garbage near the end of be...
fire was broken AF in alte beta
honest plinth
when did Fire get good? they were bordering on doodoo garbage near the end of be...
ill put screenshots with my fire in my grp after season start
they are kings now
open monolith
oh, I'm not doubting you
lavish oracle
IV is a big loss from indom, DR is pretty close to BV, Ravager is better most of the time, punish/dev are both tier 1s, they don't actually make a huge difference despite what some people say
open monolith
I am also in the mage discord (gross) and they were pretty suicidal about how bad Fire was
last I had checked, anyway
grand vault
Thought the same till i saw Sloot playing that Specc right here, i couldnt figure it out why -> https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/m29z
ember inlet
Little question to everyone playing prot.. how do you guys think of -> Impending...
Just no. Doesn't work. Indom is what keeps you alive, booming gives you soft protection and burst window with rage on demand,dragons roar is a a lackluster for prot
open monolith
this was when Frost was super overtuned, pre-nerfs
strong forum
Thought the same till i saw Sloot playing that Specc right here, i couldnt figur...
sloot played omega bad talents
absolute terrible talents
grand vault
@strong forum ikr? i couldnt get behind it
lavish oracle
DR is fine, pretty close in damage, assuming you're literally spending all your rage from BV on revenge
grand vault
@ember inlet Thanks alot your answer!
ember crest
rav is a crutch?
honest plinth
It's literally fine
its not with tgv ofc
open monolith
just a joke Bago.
ember inlet
UF/AM is for big pp warriors who don't need ravajer crutch.
With that combo you spent too much GCDs on TV, makes your rotation wonky
open monolith
Ravager is great
lavish oracle
Yeah, with thunderlord's always take BV
open monolith
TV?
grand vault
IV is a big loss from indom, DR is pretty close to BV, Ravager is better most of...
ty alot!
open monolith
I don't think it's too much
You don't have to press TC every other GCD during Avatar
ember inlet
Literally every 2nd GCD during avatar is TC
open monolith
you still follow the priority
still pagoda
Ravager 100% of the time okay ITF in raid
ravej 100% of the time*
honest plinth
With that combo you spent too much GCDs on TV, makes your rotation wonky
what do you mean? you will spam it with thunderlord
still pagoda
ASS a lot of bosses in CN are cleave-heavy
ember inlet
If you wanna pump out them demoshouts
still pagoda
so we shall cleave ASS WE CAN
open monolith
I mean, I understand the way it interacts with TL
but if I get back to back shield slam procs
open monolith
I'm throwing out shield slams even if TC is up
ember inlet
Yes, but if you wanna follow the priority, why don't you take ravager
open monolith
because UF still provides better demo uptime, even when following the priority
still pagoda
I'm throwing out shield slams even if TC is up
of course you would. It will net you much more rage if you throw them out, while also not wasting TC's shield slam reset
ember inlet
Which gives you an extra rage,damage, some nuke on demand and it pairs with bastion spear
open monolith
it's not like we have so many buttons to press that TC being up every 2nd GCD actually gets in the way of much
honest plinth
ill play ravager ofc even with tgv
grand vault
What about Bolster over AM?
open monolith
Don't take AM if you're not taking UF
honest plinth
in harder content
lavish oracle
Bolster is the goto for survivability
ember inlet
AM and rav works just fine
open monolith
Pretty sure I got that right. Did I mean don't take Bolster if you don't take ravager?
maybe that's what i meant
lavish oracle
Not when you need the block uptime
honest plinth
thats right
open monolith
yeah that
I'll be going Bolster in keys 5+ this week solely because I'm pugging and don't trust my healers
grand vault
so for the first week of m+ key pushing Bolster isnt that bad of a choice bc survivability right
open monolith
Bolster is never a bad choice
grand vault
ye ye i feel that
open monolith
it's just sometimes an unnecessary choice
honest plinth
so for the first week of m+ key pushing Bolster isnt that bad of a choice bc sur...
sure if you need it
ember inlet
Bolster is a safe bet, so to say
open monolith
if the content is trivial, you don't need bolster
grand vault
true, when you live no matter what you can just get more uptime on your other CDs bc of AM so bolster isnt necessary
open monolith
Bolster is the ex girlfriend that you know is always available. AM is the exciting new prospect that might give you herpes but is totally fun in the process.
lavish oracle
If you're just learning prot warrior now, I would go bolster
And get used to using last stand to fill the gaps in shield block
open monolith
Pretend that Last Stand is the subscribe button on your favorite youtuber and SMASH THAT BELL
open monolith
(when using bolster)
lavish oracle
Once you're comfortable with that gameplay loop, you can swap in AM when you wanna do big dam
worthy ingot
How're we feeling about HR for raid?
open monolith
yucky
honest plinth
im not sure about HR probably will pick AM
ember inlet
Too early for HR imo
still pagoda
HR relies heavily on haste
ember inlet
You need at least 30 haste with some nice haste trinkets
dense pivot
bolster pornhub video when
still pagoda
it's too early for it
open monolith
I use devastator in raids because I'm too used to not having to press devastate.
like idk where I'd even but that button on my hotbar
lavish oracle
I'll probably use punish because I loathe devestator
open monolith
isn't.. the other one like... objectively better on a single target only fight?
dense pivot
maybe middle one gonna be better with HR? dunno
honest plinth
with more haste you will get even more s resets
forest fern
unless you're tanking 100% uptime a raid boss i doubt punish is needed instead
keep devastator
forest fern
it should be probably
ember inlet
Make AM Baseline
open monolith
^ yes this
forest fern
fishing for procs with a spam ability should never be a thing
lavish oracle
Ugh, no, devastator feels so bad
open monolith
and indom
forest fern
its a horrid playstyle
lavish oracle
Make a different talent
open monolith
no Devastator feels so goooood
honest plinth
Ugh, no, devastator feels so bad
?
open monolith
this comment sponsored by #boomerfingers
lavish oracle
I wanna be pressing buttons
honest plinth
you will with more haste
forest fern
i'm assuming he doesn't like any "downtime", that will start to lessen with more haste and it won't feel as bad
open monolith
that's because you have zoomer fingers
civic rover
Bro I’m 19 and I have fucking boomer fingers
lavish oracle
I don't have haste yet
forest fern
it feels bad now cause you don't meet the minimum requirements for the rotation to "work"
that's all of us atm
lavish oracle
So it feels like garbage
forest fern
give it a little time it won't feel so bad
civic rover
It doesn’t even feel that bad lmao you just have to kite a little more
honest plinth
idk what are you talking about i have some buttons to press
forest fern
with bolster prob don't even need to do that
honest plinth
yes there are some dead globals but man its not that terrible
civic rover
Nah you still have a decent bit of downtime
forest fern
when prog starts you won't essentially, revenge spamming will need to pull back
that's what he means by when it feels "weird"
lavish oracle
Dead globals are called Satan's globals
forest fern
and empty globals etc
civic rover
But the hardest thing for newer tanks to learn, is sometimes the best thing to do is just run the fuck away
open gazelle
i like war machine over devastator dont @ me
forest fern
just dont' outrange your healer by H leaping all over the joint, they'll hate ya for it
lavish oracle
I have no problem with kiting, I have a problem with being able to take my hands off the keyboard for 2 seconds and not missing a cast
Feels bad
No flow
forest fern
yeah its hard to get used to but that's all it is, getting used to it
open gazelle
devastator makes me feel so clunking right now and i just dont like it, and war machine gives a few extra rage plus makes u tanky when mobs start dying
forest fern
i mean arms has way more of that, and many other specs do also with empty globals
open monolith
one of the best things a prot warrior can do is just not fucking press a button
open monolith
poor Azathoth
forest fern
right, get trigger happy and revenge when you need to wait and you could be rage starved, needing it, or gcd locked with a SS reset, just gotta play a bit less spamming and more strategic
open gazelle
war machine is also great for chain pulling imo
open monolith
how are the support group meetings going?
dense pivot
not every spec should be gcd capped I agree
honest plinth
assa rogue 25 apm s3 haha
open monolith
Who else misses leveling a warrior in Vanilla? Nothing like auto attacking over the course of 6 seconds so that you can press heroic strike and wait for your next auto attack for it to do something 😮
lavish oracle
That sounds like hell, Coba
open gazelle
war machine>devastator atm til more haste 🙂
open monolith
honestly, Blizzard making nearly every spec GCD capped has made this game semi-unapproachable for people who are brand new to PC gaming.
Source: my friend who is brand new to PC gaming and REALLY struggling with the game
honest plinth
nope
open gazelle
hell yeah
honest plinth
dead talent btw
open monolith
^
open gazelle
not if you chain pull
open monolith
you can make an argument for it in Torghast 😮
lavish oracle
All of the talents on the first row are pretty low impact anyways
open monolith
you need a mob to die every 8 seconds for it to make more rage than devastator, on average
open gazelle
im not at 20% haste yet so dev feels terrible
open monolith
I'm at 16% and i think it feels delightful
but I also thought it felt delightful at 7%
forest fern
so does a retal exam but you might need it at that specific time 🙂
strong forum
haste has no real impact on row 1 talents
open gazelle
is dev just bis all of shadowlands then? im gonna hate it
strong forum
war machine is meh at best
lavish oracle
Y'all have some very strong opinions about talents that give you like one extra IP every 2 minutes, row 1 is not a big deal
strong forum
dev gives you the most rage, and a little bit better flow of rotation
open monolith
does haste not scale with devastator in a significant way?
forest fern
if stuff lives long enough you can prob roll punish pacho
open gazelle
why was it bad in bfa?
open monolith
attack faster = moar rage & moar shield slam resets?
open gazelle
ah i see
lavish oracle
Attack faster = more rage from war machine to in that circumstance
open monolith
Not with that attitude.
strong forum
open monolith
.....or any attitude.
open gazelle
idk ill give it another shot i guess, i wasnt playing rav before when using dev so there was times i had no rage and no shield blocks, was rage starved for like 4 secs at one point
open monolith
so i went to wago.io/mdt and uh.. was that the right page? I just saw a bunch of links that lead nowhere
strong forum
whatre you looking for
subtle oak
I have about 22% haste and like 8% vers 19% mastery . Should I change some of my gems to vers? ilvl 181. thoughts?
open monolith
just wanted to like... see what it is
I Was told there was a website. I'm unfamiliar with it. Didn't exist (or wasn't widespread) last I played
strong forum
I have about 22% haste and like 8% vers 19% mastery . Should I change some of my...
omg no
vers is irrelevant
you want 1000000000000000% haste
open monolith
oh how bad was the nerf to the old STR gems btw? enough that they should be replaced with haste?
strong forum
as much haste as you can get
subtle oak
vers is irrelevant
think so? I find myself not having problem with rage
strong forum
its not about rage problems
dense pivot
gotta go fast
strong forum
haste = block uptime
you cant have enough haste
50% isnt enough
ilvl >> haste >>>>>vers=crit>mastery
subtle oak
as much haste as you can get
lol sounds good then. thanks
lavish oracle
This what you're seeing @open monolith
open monolith
think so
lavish oracle
I'm on mobile, might look slightly different
open monolith
yeah it is
granite cloud
having managed to get a torghast run with absurd numbers of haste can confirm its the most fun ive had in a long time
open monolith
none of those links lead to anything
strong forum
lol sounds good then. thanks
also, the more rage you generate, the more rage you can spend, meaning also healing through indom, more IPs, more revenges, more executes
lavish oracle
The in game add-on is a little more fleshed out and easier to use
strong forum
its not just about having sufficient rage
the more, the better
there is no "too much rage"
honest plinth
The in game add-on is a little more fleshed out and easier to use
they updated it?
open gazelle
idk what to do for last row of talents for a m+ focus
lavish oracle
they updated it?
@honest plinth MDT you mean? Yeah, it's updated
honest plinth
> they updated it?
<@510004255063801858> MDT you mean? Yeah, it's updated
k thanks. last time i checked there were no mobs in it
lavish oracle
It's Mythic dungeon Tools now, also
honest plinth
it was just dungeon map
lavish oracle
Weird
maiden ravine
it's mostly correct, except early in sang depths
it has the first cave room as a linked pull
you can skip stuff there
open gazelle
why is mastery so bad for us? i like to block and I LOVE to critical block, why isnt our stat prio haste>mastery then everthing else???
sharp orbit
stacking haste is BS
strong forum
it was just dungeon map
works on my machine
open gazelle
can someone explain why mastery is so bad?
maiden ravine
Cause tanks in SL don't need extra tankiness until high level content
and when it comes to dps, haste and crit scale better
honest plinth
works on my machine
well i checked it like 2 weeks ago 😄 so ye thanks
strong forum
why is mastery so bad for us? i like to block and I LOVE to critical block, why ...
because mastery is rng, block itself is already very strong, adding higher critblock chance isnt gonna help us alot, and it adds very little block chance outside of shieldblock
lavish oracle
Afaik, all our secondaries are pretty close save for haste?
strong forum
yes
forest fern
i wouldn't say its bad, you just already get a huge modifier on it so its benefit isn't as extreme i guess
sharp orbit
Just softcap haste and go crit/versa
strong forum
but mastery is the "least desirable" because it grants the smallest dmg increase
theres no softcap qipik....
sharp orbit
oh there is
lavish oracle
Does mastery still scale attack power?
open gazelle
lol our dam is fine i like mastery for like a 33% block chance
strong forum
and i can correct you
sharp orbit
Go for 20, cus thats when diminishing starts hitting you and is enough for you to survive pretty much anything
maiden ravine
I'm running Theotar next week only cause it gives me an endurance and a potency conduit
sharp orbit
after that go for crit so that you have rage and can condmn the shit out of bosses
easy
lavish oracle
Honestly, ilvl > all at the moment anyways on pieces with main stat, on rings, just take the highest haste you can find
strong forum
Go for 20, cus thats when diminishing starts hitting you and is enough for you t...
diminishing returns start hitting at 30%
open monolith
if MDT is accurate, you can't skip any trash in De Other Side, and in fact might need to pull some extra stuff in ardenweald area?
honest plinth
Go for 20, cus thats when diminishing starts hitting you and is enough for you t...
diminishings are not 20 for sure
strong forum
yes
open gazelle
33% block chance of mastery+ 2 charges of sheild block+ bolster shield block for 15 sec= 100 block chance???
sharp orbit
wouldnt go above 20 anyway tho
sharp orbit
for what
strong forum
to cover mitigation gaps
sharp orbit
like you would need that
strong forum
uhm.. yeah?
maiden ravine
Theotar's umbrella also procs more often than I expect to a bigger area than I expected
strong forum
in actual content you do
forest fern
the 33% is rng, so you are "blocking" during shield block and bolster, so its not actually 100%
sharp orbit
no you dont
strong forum
lmao
open monolith
uh... what is going on here
open monolith
did r/competitivewow start leaking?
lavish oracle
if MDT is accurate, you can't skip any trash in De Other Side, and in fact might need to pull some extra stuff in ardenweald area?
@open monolith can you get away with pulling a lot extra in ardenweald and skipping elsewhere?
sharp orbit
lmao
forest fern
in theory i'm superman, so yeah sure 🙂
sharp orbit
just stating my opinion that "covering mitigation gaps with haste" is overrated
open monolith
Azathoth I don't think there is really any room to skip anything other than shroud... but yeah I guess you could probably do that. There is a lot of trash there that is easy to pull
probably skip some crap in Mechagon that way
sharp orbit
and you dont really need to do that
strong forum
the 33% is rng, so you are "blocking" during shield block and bolster, so its no...
you get 100% block chance with SB up, your actual blockchance is outside of SB is very low
open gazelle
im just thinking crit=mastery imo PLUS mastery is better for raiding
strong forum
the stated % on mastery is the %chance of a crit block to happen, after a block occurs
maiden ravine
Azathoth I don't think there is really any room to skip anything other than shro...
Nah, you skip all you need to skip in Ardenweald, you can walk past the dragon
open monolith
According to MDT, you cannot skip anything in Ardenweald or you won't get 100%
maiden ravine
IF you have a rogue, then you can skip a pull before Hakkar, but meh.
open monolith
or I did something wrong
maiden ravine
Only place I've found I can reliably skip in DOS is Ardenweald
open monolith
saying you don't need to cover mitigation gaps with haste as your opinion is like stating that vaccines don't protect you from viruses as an opinion
dense pivot
LOL
open monolith
an opinion isn't an opinion if it is bumping up to.. like.. science and math
sharp orbit
lol 😄 😄 : D
strong forum
as ive said like 5min ago
more haste also means more rage gen
which in turn means more IPs, more revenges, more indom healing
open monolith
can someone with more experience using MDT than me see if I just made a mistake? I couldn't get up to 100% without pulling extra things in ardenweald
strong forum
even if you say you dont care about block uptime
open gazelle
haste> crit=mastery what do yall think?
maiden ravine
did you do the entire outside circle, all of mechagon, and all of zulgurub?
lavish oracle
Haste affects so much of our core rotation, it's kinda absurd
open monolith
ilvl >>>>>> haste >>>> crit/vers >> mastery
swift belfry
For raid tanking, should Prot Warriors use strength or stamina flasks? I haven't been able to find this answer in the guides so far.
open monolith
^
gentle trellis
^
open monolith
there's a reason Stam flasks cost fewer herbs than the other flasks... BECAUSE THEY ARE INFERIOR.
strong forum
you never flask, food or pot for stamina, its useless compared to the benefits strength offers
open gazelle
did they buff vers per point %?
still pagoda
stam flasks were always useless
strong forum
you need 40 vers to get 1%
lavish oracle
The only time you ever use stam is if you can live something that would otherwise oneshot
forest fern
well you did but that was only for twilight devestation 🙂
strong forum
only in 30 tank nyalotha runs, you went for stam
outside of that, you went str
or if you memed with fucking TD8-10 for parsing
when 90% of your dmg was gonna be RNG TD procs
thats like the 1 situation where you went stam
lavish oracle
I stam'd the fist boss do Freehold above +20, usually
open gazelle
mastery is the 2nd stat u want for raids or no?
open gazelle
ahh
strong forum
and you want to be as predictable as possible with dmg intake
in raiding
no variations
and it reduces all dmg intake
honest plinth
@open monolith i even logged in to test DOS aaaaaand its fine
strong forum
and we're already omega strong vs physical dmg, more mastery doesnt add alot of useful mitigation there
maiden ravine
You might have missed a boss wing
open monolith
nah i def got all 3
maiden ravine
odd
open monolith
94.01% without pulling extra in ardenweald
I must be doing something wrong. Keep in mind i have literally never used this tool before
open monolith
sure but
my point is you definitely can't skip anything in ardenweald
and if you want to skip anything with shroud in other wings, you HAVE to overpull in ardenweald
unless I Am doing something wrong
maiden ravine
The website % must be wrong then, cause you absolutely can
open monolith
hmmm
maiden ravine
And Ardenweald is the only area you really can skip
open monolith
if I send you the import string in a DM
can you tell me what I did wrong?
I haven't ever used the tool
maiden ravine
sure
honest plinth
who know maybe ardenweald will be new TD beach
novel hornet
Is there a haste breakpoint we are aiming for?
honest plinth
nope
maiden ravine
it's telling me invalid sock, website?
maiden ravine
ah, I've heard you don't want to bother with the dragon, doesn't seem worth the %
open monolith
was just using wago.io/mdt
strong forum
theres an Urn right next to the dragon
you can stun him for like 10seconds straight
lavish oracle
Are the drills in mechagon detectors?
open monolith
I think I'm going to be doing Ardenweald area of DoS last, that way if % doesn't seem liek it's gonna meet i can pull more
maiden ravine
yeah, but 10s doesn't seem enough for fortified weeks
strong forum
Are the drills in mechagon detectors?
no
maiden ravine
but unless you death run them, you can only skip them once
so I've been including killing them
cause the route out goes past the first one
you can also get prideful just before the manastorms if you kill them
honest plinth
i cant find any mob with stealth detect in mdt btw
maiden ravine
the only notable ones I know of are the dogs in Halls
worthy ingot
gone are the days of stam to survive magic damage lol
honest plinth
the only notable ones I know of are the dogs in Halls
seems like mdt is not in final version 😄
lavish oracle
Shroud in pot out of mecha maybe
onyx geyser
hey guys, whats the best covenant for prot rn? for mythic+ mostly
strong forum
kyrian >= nightfae
oblique garnet
Deathrun ardenweald
maiden ravine
if rogue dps keeps underperforming, I ain't bringing them
I've beaten every rogue I've grouped with on damage as bear and prot warrior
maiden ravine
You need to kill at least half of ardenweald while killing everything else in the dungeon. Not sure what exactly is getting death skipped there
strong forum
even havoc
strong forum
absolutely
lavish oracle
Not sure though, not super up to date on them
strong forum
dps depend very much on their legendaries
open monolith
or do you need to pull extra in ardenweald to get 100%, including pulling everything in the other areas
i always do that wing last anyway, so I guess now it's just a good idea to do it
strong forum
ye you need to pull extra in arden
strong forum
they dont want you skipping stuff period
HoA is one of the only dungeons
where you have choice
and mists
lavish oracle
You can do some skips in spire too
hallow phoenix
Plaguefall
strong forum
ye that too
open monolith
interesting
what about necrotic wake
well I guess I can use MDT to find out
but there are definitely some mind soothe / shroud skips I like there
LOL my m0 route in Necrotic wake is 75%
sonic bone
kyrian >= nightfae
lies
hallow phoenix
Just kill mobs in first room
open monolith
yeah I'll have to in order to skip the mini boss
hallow phoenix
Mini boss should be fine to do in low m+
open monolith
sure, but skipping it would be more fine
hallow phoenix
With that silence orb
maiden ravine
Most dungeons are extremely tight
Like theater if you pull absolutely everything on your path is only 105%
open monolith
70.32% before 2nd boss
oh wait
69.6%. nice
and that's skipping the mini boss and going along the outside edge after the bridge area
ocean yoke
is the viscera of coalesced hatred trinket super undertuned or something? says very high chance but it rarely procs
strong forum
9ppm
aka its a 5k heal once every minute
aka, absolute trash, dont use it
NVM
i keep confusing it with the slimy consumption organ
ocean yoke
ill check it out next dungeon i do on a boss
sick sentinel
i got into the fairy dungeon today, still no idea how to do the mists section
cerulean pebble
3/4 symbols will have something in common
sick sentinel
something about you go up to a stump and then a rune appears
cerulean pebble
find the one that doesn't
strong forum
^
cerulean pebble
so for example, 3 of them are leafs, 1 is a flower. Go through the flower door
strong forum
find the one that has nothing in common with the other 3
sick sentinel
what i did notice for sure is there is like 2 or 3 shapes and sometimes it has a circle around it
strong forum
it can be flower/leaf, empty/full, ring/no ring
sick sentinel
i'll have to pay more closer attention in the future.
strong forum
any of these combinations
open monolith
there's a fairly easy logical way to go through it
step 1) check for leaf vs flower. If you ever see only 1 leaf or flower, choose that one.
step 2) check for circle vs no cricle. If there is ever only ONE circle or ONE without a circle, choose that one.
Step 3) Check for filled in vs empty. If there is ever only ONE filled in or ONE empty. choose that one
sharp herald
Growl has a sick video
open monolith
If you use that method above, you'll get it every time.
sharp herald
Combinatorics
strong forum
ill just call out loud what combinations i see
and then its fairly simple to remember what you said
and go based off of that
open monolith
the only time I have "trouble" with the maze is if it is in one of those weird shaped rooms where you can't see the 4 statues
form one spot
because my boomer brain can't remember what it saw 10 seconds ago
sick sentinel
i didnt mean to get upset with you, just a life time of defending my self\
open monolith
Yeah, commits to memory better that way
ocean yoke
1 min 20 sec fight on ingra moloch had 10 procs and 1k healing from that trink
ocean yoke
lemme check
open monolith
gotta pump them numbers
strong forum
keep in mind, during the dmg phase it does 150% more dmg
so the dmg will be inflated
sick sentinel
so, have everyone in the group stand at a stump at same time so we can see all 4 exits to make it simpler?
strong forum
meh
sick sentinel
i feel like that could be a nightmare for pugging mythic + possibly
strong forum
5.5k total dmg is weak af
ocean yoke
yeah it definitely feels crappy
ocean yoke
its damage at least, the healing part doesnt feel too useful
strong forum
like 80
acoustic stratus
is the trink for ickus worth farming for
ocean yoke
yeah its not bad
strong forum
thats actually really strong
sick sentinel
got a a blue 140-159 everything now except for shield, last piece to get
cloak too, gotta find one soon too.
acoustic stratus
so is the dacanter just shit? it only does 2% total damage
strong forum
its 2ppm
sick sentinel
it's probably really bad, but i got the tank deck for ilvl
strong forum
should be decent dps tbh
strong forum
it's probably really bad, but i got the tank deck for ilvl
thats a very very bad trinket, shouldve gotten voracity instead
LPS is like 200% better than indomitable (trinket)
sick sentinel
ah, i can afford the voracity one too and play with it, was less than 15k gold
strong forum
so is the dacanter just shit? it only does 2% total damage
its 2ppm, it should do decent dmg tbh
spare cobalt
@strong forum idiots on Reddit roasting you in that tank post lmao
strong forum
ye
spare cobalt
That’s a bd pull nice
strong forum
it was not coordinated or planned or anything, so obv its gonna be messy as shit 
spare cobalt
Yeh group dam wasn’t anything to write home about haha
Lived past every cd known to man gets so sketchy
strong forum
i just ran through, my group was 12 years behind and i ran offensive talents
spare cobalt
That was AM/UF?
spare cobalt
Tru
strong forum
CDs are there to be used
yeah lets do the biggest pull in the game, but hold off on CDs in case you need them for a smaller pull
pepega
spare cobalt
Or was that bolster?
spare cobalt
Okay so
open monolith
Which pull you talking about?
strong forum
this just goes to show that people have no clue how pwar is supposed to be played
spare cobalt
If it was bolster would you overlap your LS and shield wall still?
strong forum
"you used CDs man your class sucks"
spare cobalt
Oh absolutely lmao
strong forum
no i wouldnt Fergie
strong forum
i did it because i wasnt playing Bolster
spare cobalt
Kk sick
open monolith
which pull 😐
spare cobalt
I’m coming from dk so unless I just straight up do science it’s nice to see stuff like that
open monolith
is it DOS?
strong forum
HoA everything from start into first Halkion minions
open monolith
oh
strong forum
thingy
open monolith
nice
strong forum
its not a special pull, the better groups do it all the time, but it was the 2nd time my group ran it and they didnt know about it
urban quartz
Me thinking all pwar cds are oh shit buttons
formal river
I.e dont listen to reddit
oblique garnet
formal river
I play league and if you looked at league reddit everyone is a master tier
strong forum
^
urban quartz
Anything with < 10 min CD is core rotation.
strong forum
twitch chat is also 10k io
astral crystal
what thread is nomeratur being roasted in
urban quartz
Yes
open monolith
lol why the fuck does that subreddit downvote literally anything positive about warrior
spare cobalt
Yes
strong forum
yes
astral crystal
l i n k
open monolith
god I hate the internet.
strong forum
na dont bother
ocean yoke
look several youtubers who are good enough to not need or use shield block told me warriors are garbage
strong forum
yeah, its futile until youre high IO
strong forum
"lol every other tank wouldve taken less damage and wouldve done more!"
open monolith
"warrior has to actively make decisions about whether to use resources for mitigation or damage, AND They have TWO mitigation tools, and that is too complicated for my smol brain, so warrior bad"
-the internet
strong forum
literally one of the comments
urban quartz
Metas are stupid anyway
spare cobalt
Yuh the off meta dream is fun man
spare cobalt
When in reality it’s just cause people aren’t playing right why they can’t beat stuff
urban quartz
^
spare cobalt
Not cause your a war and not a dh why you’re struggling in 15s
open monolith
I will accept this fact: there are likely more BAD warrior tanks than there are bad other tanks, because bad warrior play is probably more damning than bad-other-tank-play
astral crystal
healer friend of mine saw a warr tank with the maw rat legendary today in m0s
spare cobalt
Well nah there’s just gonna be a ton of bad dh cause it’s fotm
open monolith
....maw rat legendary?
urban quartz
I will accept this fact: there are likely more BAD warrior tanks than there are ...
That's how metas are literally formed
astral crystal
killing an enemy has a chance to spawn a maw rat that explodes after 6 seconds
open monolith
why is that a legendary. wat
astral crystal
and does negligible damage while causing enemies to hit you for 5% less dmg
urban quartz
Just gimme the wall. Pls
vocal bison
Mawrats 4 life. They need to create the title of “shredder” for killing 1 million maw rats in torghast.
strong forum
kek
open monolith
jesus that subreddit is bad. "hey just curious how is week 1 heroic raid tuning going to be?"
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK ANYONE KNOWS THAT
strong forum
its reddit
open monolith
ree.
open monolith
I used to always think reddit was like... filled with people my age. I'm starting to realize it's mostly teenagers.
tired cove
are they any venthyr peopel in here, which conduit are you using ?
open monolith
The correct venthyr conduit is the one that switches you to kyrian in order to use the spear conduit
kek
strong forum
public forums are a cesspool of degeneracy, usually class discords are aswell, but skyhold seems to be fine
tired cove
you're going to prison @open monolith
marsh shale
lol
open monolith
Skyhold / Hunter's lodge are two of my favorite class discords
mage discord is the most toxic one i've seen
strong forum
for Venthyr i think youd just use an Endurance Conduit
tired cove
nah DH one is most toxic
strong forum
since the Condemn one really doesnt do a whole lot
tired cove
i legit wanna mack 99% of the peopel in there
open monolith
so much angst in one discord, I believe it Majesco
they've sacrificed everything
what have YOU given
tired cove
fine-ish lol
strong forum
theres some annoying questions there alot
sturdy sable
a couple of toxic people hang out in the veng disc
strong forum
especially when you have to explain SpB and how souls work
urban quartz
Don't you just ram your face on the keyboard to play DH?
sturdy sable
i just say they are like combo points but they sit on the ground
strong forum
not if you wanna pump dps
urban quartz
Literally
meager abyss
is avoidance good for tanking? better than haste or nah?
strong forum
useless
sturdy sable
use your things on cd lol
urban quartz
Haste > everything
strong forum
dont take it into consideration when comparing items
urban quartz
ebon hound
there u go
oblique garnet
Tertiaries wont matter yet
strong forum
unless theyre the exact same item but one has avoidance
urban quartz
More stats over better stats.
meager abyss
i had a haste, verse cloak and a haste/mastery cloak with avoidance dropped
same IL
thinking i stay with haste/verse for pvp
strong forum
pick whichever one has the higher haste stat
open monolith
Hey guys, I just got done watching a video and browsing reddit and people are telling me warrior is bad. Do you think I should main a different tank?
strong forum
ye itll be like that for a while
open monolith
that's okay with me
m+ pugs won't deny a tank because they take forever to find one
bahahaha
strong forum
m+ pugs won't deny a tank because they take forever to find one
they will
urban quartz
Same chesty
sturdy sable
yeah i feel like people have no idea how close tanks are right now
oblique garnet
Trust me you can get denied for m+
open monolith
Chesty why do you tell lies
strong forum
especially with perception this bad
open monolith
m+ isn't out yet
open monolith
that'll make me laugh
strong forum
happened plenty of times, many stories
oblique garnet
they rather wait for 1hr than pick a prot war
This but unironically
sturdy sable
"i didnt know prot was good"
vocal bison
Idk, think people will just go back to looking at IO, maybe past 15 when people think they need metas?
ocean yoke
oh no you denied me guess ill try one of the other 420 groups looking for a tank
strong forum
even before then
sturdy sable
i was veng for s1 of bfa
open monolith
oh christ, the top post on that sub is a link to a new rankings website that also includes covenant rankings LOL
great, a tool for people to covenant shame
merry elbow
if I got a r1 leggo this week, would I have enough to craft the wall next week?
earnest lava
any of the 190 boes of particular note?
granite cloud
any of you experienced in pvp
strong forum
if I got a r1 leggo this week, would I have enough to craft the wall next week?
yes next week you should get 800-900 from torghast
merry elbow
neato
strong forum
any of the 190 boes of particular note?
na theyll be outdated next week
okay nvm, you cant craft a leggo next week if you crafted one this week
vocal bison
On Tuesday you can get 184 pvp gear
merry elbow
anti-neato
strong forum
but on mythic week you can craft a rank 2 insta i think
if you do torghast full clear
vocal bison
Yea
strong forum
cuz on heroic week layer 6 should unlock, and on mythic layer 8
oblique garnet
any of you experienced in pvp
Probably better off asking in #223972896219856896
open monolith
only costs 750 to upgrade a rank 1
p sure you can just clear layer 3 on both sides and be able to afford it
strong forum
ye upgrade, but crafting a new one
open monolith
question: do upgrades use missives?
strong forum
idk
vocal bison
Same, I couldn’t wait, have mats standing by for R2 and R3
oblique garnet
Np
earnest lava
PVP hate trinket looks pretty yummy
earnest lava
open monolith
yeah that's probably pretty solid once it can upgrade
what is the ppm?
probably.. 1?
Dear Blizzard,
Bring back reforging.
Sincerely,
Literally Everyone
still pagoda
🙃 they won't
open monolith
Without reforging: this ilvl upgrade is actually a downgrade because the stats are bad.
With reforging: this ilvl upgrade is still an upgrade despite the bad stats because I can reforge it into moderately good stats
"Math bad"
-Ion Hazzikostas
restive flax
Should I use a Weightstone or something like Shadowcore Oil for raiding? 🤔
still pagoda
Shadowcore oil for everything
it buffs your potions
which is the most important part of it
restive flax
I see, thank you
abstract thunder
Is it absolutely nessosary I follow stat priority on Prot when making Shadowghast armor? I want to side main arms so I'm thinking of making my missives for my gear Haste/Crit instead of Haste/versatility. That or Keep using haste missives until I hate 20 percent cdr.
dense pivot
haste crit isn't even that bad for prot I don't think
abstract thunder
kk then. Thanks!
dense pivot
are you crafting prot lego and want to use it as arms?
abstract thunder
Yeah, I already made the boots so I'm beginning to work on the rest of the set too. I basically want a mix of Prot and Arms runes and maybe general warrior runes that can work for both specs.
still pagoda
Is it absolutely nessosary I follow stat priority on Prot when making Shadowghas...
long story short: crit and vers are almost exactly the same stats
for prot that is
especially if you are not intending to push the highest keys
for general purpose, ilvl >> haste > crit = vers => mastery
abstract thunder
Gotcha. Thanks for the advice!
still pagoda
np
crimson sphinx
How do you guys think we're gonna do in the raid?
maiden ravine
Meh, reforging just makes you wait to use gear. It's not a good system. It was removed for good reasons
fringe needle
Fuk reforging
maiden ravine
Without a hit cap to worry about it'll just be reforge from not liked stat to liked stat
steel mauve
it wasnt really a bad idea though, it was bad luck protection, just another way to optimize poorly optimized gear
still pagoda
It was reforge to hit rating/expertise up to caps before
restive locust
hows prot feeling so far
still pagoda
Would be pretty good rn tho
fringe needle
the issue with reforging was that essentially you got a new piece of gear, added it into mr robot which calculated the optimal mix of reforges (as hit and expertise existed) and there was 0 thought, only the hassle of reforging the new item and also often several old items and before you did all of that the new piece was worthless
granted since hit no longer exists it'd be much more simple, but there's also a reason why not every item has your perfect stats
deep steppe
hows prot feeling so far
Only have m0 to work with rn. But feels really good imo. I like it a lot, especially as Kyrian.
fringe needle
on another note, have you guys crafted legendaries yet? i've picked up the demo shout CD reduction one somewhere and will mostly be tanking m+ so i thought i should prob make that. just dunno which slot is better
deep steppe
on another note, have you guys crafted legendaries yet? i've picked up the demo ...
That is the best m+ one, and iirc boots are the best slot
And yes I made mine
deep steppe
I also don’t think there are haste vers boots available
still pagoda
_Ignoring what your alternative items are for each slot, here's a rule of thumb for legendary crafting slot selection:
Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders
= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak
This is generally going to be the most bang for your buck out of the extra ilvl, with some variance on the relative value of jewelry depending on what you are optimizing for._
deep steppe
So that’s the only way to get those stats on boots
gentle trellis
i think the wall is gonna be future protw tho
deep steppe
i think the wall is gonna be future protw tho
For raid yea
still pagoda
I also don’t think there are haste vers boots available
You can also craft haste/crit item
gentle trellis
even m+
deep steppe
You can also craft haste/crit item
Yeah true. I made haste vers cause I couldn’t find normal haste vers boots and I want that 🤷🏼♂️
deep steppe
still pagoda
Waiting for mythic week
deep steppe
I mean that’s what I should’ve done but
still pagoda
Just in case not to get YEETed by blizz
deep steppe
I’m impatient and only had normal boots 😤
still pagoda
i still have 155 boots
deep steppe
fringe needle
are they gonna sneak in hotfixes, or will they wait for the next .5 patch?
deep steppe
Boots were my lowest so I fixed it 😂
fringe needle
glancing over the legendaries a lot of them seem boring and shit
deep steppe
Also I’ve heard rumors of tweaks coming in before raid but idk
still pagoda
are they gonna sneak in hotfixes, or will they wait for the next .5 patch?
Mythic week tuning
deep steppe
^
still pagoda
Always been there
fringe needle
yeah i havent kept up to date much, maybe i'll wait as well
deep steppe
fringe needle
i just read that ravager apparently moves now... when did that happen hahaha, ima try it out for sure, must be a blast in m+ prob can use for every single pull with that low cd
still pagoda
During beta
still pagoda
Ravej does a fuckton of damage now
gentle trellis
and generates fuckton of rage
deep steppe
And dat rage
still pagoda
deep steppe
fringe needle
i took venthur for execute, since plan is to eventually play more arms, but prot is just nice to get into groups with etc also avoids meeting a shitty tank xD
maiden ravine
Condemn will work up to +15 with ease
fringe needle
thats good coz i just love executing hahaha 😄 but suffering a delay in aoe threat, but i think ravager might fix that
grand drum
Necrolawd will be top pick in 9.3 im calling it
fallow mortar
that is fine XD
I know we won't use it, but where do we get the conduit Iron Maiden from?
maiden ravine
They need to put baseline strength on it, not just the conduit
Necrolord would have been my second choice behind venthyr
still pagoda
Necrolawd will be top pick in 9.3 im calling it <:yep:703420923625078804>
Maybe even in 9.1 when they figure out how badly designed it is and rework it
fringe needle
there's always issues with skills that give power to other players as well
but if u are in a strong group and u kinda chain it for one another it might be very nice, but the movement restriction will probably hurt
there's no way to have different soulbinds saved or sth? to switch between tank / arms / fury or sth?
maiden ravine
Not conduits, but looks like paths and active soulbinds yes
visual drift
I can't decide what item is better. I changed the pawn weight stats by myself so haste is 0.01 better than vers so i wonder if this with vers is stronger than the one with str :/
fallow mortar
the second pic
you always want ilvl and since it isn't mythic gear, it will be replaced a lot sooner than later
formal river
I hope they fkin rework necrolord. As much as I love condemn i love the Maldraxxus RP more.
plain glen
I figure that they made necrolord garbage for warriors, because if they made if viable EVERY warrior would pick necro even if it was just a bit off BiS
formal river
True
Make it 2 min CD and attach to your back like a blade master. Instant balance.
maiden ravine
Delete pawn
Weights change too much piece to piece to make it useful for judging upgrades
dim cedar
Guys i will craft my first legendary, i craft in Feet or Legs? (im tank)
fallow mortar
I think you want feet? Get a second opinion though
dim cedar
I will raid normal and heroic
I see most people talking to use feet to, but I don't know why?
boots*
fallow mortar
stats mainly
dim cedar
got it thanks
grand drum
Feet has more armor than hands
cerulean pebble
Plus there are no haste / vers feet from dungeons or the raid.
fallow mortar
I prefer crit haste personally, but that is because I am venthyr 😄
meager abyss
this fucking mistcaller boss man
did they really have to make the symbols that similar?
christ
astral crystal
filtered
inland mesa
Color or no color
Circle or no circle
Leaf or flower
maiden ravine
Flower/Leaf filled/outline ring/no ring
inland mesa
3 will have something in common, so it's the other
maiden ravine
Frankly you need the dps to do that mechanic cause you have enough to worry about that boss
Tanks shouldn't have to call out every target
fallow mortar
but it is just a quick an easy scan o.o
maiden ravine
Communicating that to plebs without voice chat while also watching dodgeball, patty cake and moving away from the vulpin
fallow mortar
dodgball is easy as shit, patty cake is a button press and if they don't see you charging at the correct one, then that is on them for not following the tank
vulpin, is on the dps to snare
maiden ravine
If they can snare while I move boss away so I don't get frozen, they can pick the right target too
lavish oracle
Someone made a practice tool for it iirc
If you're having trouble with it
I can't remember where I saw it, tank notes maybe?
maiden ravine
It's just a lot while staying alive and doing other mechanics to call it fast every time when dps are capable of thinking for themselves
lavish oracle
Just mark yourself and tell them to attack your target
maiden ravine
Again, it's the whole moving while also getting the interrupt. I don't use focus macros and would hate to have to use one just for one stupid boss.
novel hornet
@maiden ravine is right, if they can't do that themselves then you are playing with 90IQers
lavish oracle
Sure, but herding DPS like cats has kinda always been a tank job
I just prepare myself for it at this point
maiden ravine
I'm normally fine with it, but that boss was designed to encourage dps to think themselves
Or else they wouldn't put the tank mechanic in that phase
maiden ravine
1520 if no successful missions
proven glen
ok thanks cuz i see 1620 on some guides
maiden ravine
A lot of guides use beta numbers that changed the last 2 weeks of beta
compact siren
Is it uncommon to want to kill yourself each time ignore pain triggers the global cooldown?
visual drift
i think i will go and give it a try with dreamweaver. Feels like her passive is stronger for night fae player than the one of niya. Any one have experience with?
grand drum
Is it uncommon to want to kill yourself each time ignore pain triggers the globa...
ignore pain isn't even on the gcd
modern brook
Is it uncommon to want to kill yourself each time ignore pain triggers the globa...
yes.
also this probably isnt news to anyone
but toghast is so fucking free as a tank wtf
fair crystal
^^
almost didn't have the damage for the first one but then i read the mechanics :S
the eye with the immune buff :d
modern brook
lol
maiden ravine
i think i will go and give it a try with dreamweaver. Feels like her passive is ...
Podtender is a trap for tanks
You drop all aggro when it goes off and can't be brez'd during i t
tardy parcel
Another week, another lack of a shield drop from mythic >.< Let's go Nathria / M+
grand drum
pvp for a shield
chilly brook
Or buy the cheap boe
swift moon
steel mauve
technically kyrian but its so close that its whatever, just night fae does more damage but you need to hold them in the aoe for the 12 secodns where as the spear holds them in it and it lasts 5 seconds, the potion is what knocks kyrian over the edge though
i went night fae myself
cinder roost
What is this monstrosity?
limpid pawn
kyrians good
anyone straying away from the dragon roar/ravager build
also why is heart of azeroth so goo
open gazelle
how is heart of azeroth so good????
maiden ravine
it was, until it got nerfed
open gazelle
i dont understand? wasnt the traits just unusable as soon as you entered shadowlands content?
steel mauve
stats still on it and it had increased threat until it just got nerfed
inland silo
It’s super over budgeted stats.
My heart was only level 93 and m0 necks are just barely better
fallow mortar
either way it has been proven that DR is not the best talent on that line
maiden ravine
it may have been when it was great aoe damage
wide fiber
Viscera of Coalesced Hatred or Slimy Consumptive Organ for tanking (darkmoon: Voracity in other slot)
maiden ravine
hehe, I was second in my m0 Halls run, but only cause of Loyal Stoneborn.
still ahead of the spriest ignoring that
mellow patio
chilly brook
@modern brook I see you in accelerate