i remember such a thing, and they tweaked it a bit in reaction
#protection
open monolith
man word of glory at low HP is basically LoH
sick sentinel
i think its a bit concerning that he finds a way to break the game every week
open monolith
dude needs a job in their QA department
strong forum
well he hasnt broken anything this time around
and in pre-patch and end of beefya, there wasnt much to do
except meme around a ton
sick sentinel
i think if the QA is that bad that they can't catch the hundreds of game breaking stuff he's found the game is kinda doomed
strong forum
its also not just him
sick sentinel
because the devs clearly don't give a fuck
strong forum
he prolly has like tons of people searching for interactions
fierce fern
thats a hell of a leap there bud
sick sentinel
you can't fix every glitch and bug in the game, but if someone can find a new game breaking one each week, what do i even gotta say?
open monolith
well, what examples of game-breaking bugs every single week do you have?
signal plover
They're not rly game breaking
Most are fringe cases with extremely narrow use conditions
And prot pal currently has all of the tools needed to do big solos
open monolith
LOL final boss of theater of pain actually looks EASIER solo
only 1 little caster add instead of 5
sick sentinel
it's like what, just over a week in and he's already solo'd a mythic dungeon
signal plover
Yeah but how long did it take
sick sentinel
where is the QA testing on that?
signal plover
Lol how is that QA
formal river
Nothing to get uppity about.
sick sentinel
we clearly see this differently.
formal river
Are you also pissed about his casting?
The guy they cast as perrin is a tall thin guy
sick sentinel
casting what?
formal river
He needs roids
fierce fern
He has roided up
formal river
Has he? I haven't see pics
He was cast and they started filming soon after.
I assumed he didnt have time
fierce fern
Yea... I still hope he will be. or atleast will get more roided up quickly.
formal river
I mean tren is powerful stuff but..
signal plover
We have one of the cleanest xpac launches ever and ppl still find things to cry about when it have literally 0 impact on them
Just kek
signal plover
Now...PvP tuning...there's a nice QA issue to get a laugh out of
fierce fern
anyway, back on topic... QA is not User Testing. We don't know what regression suite Blizzard use and how much is done by hand. We don't know where they focus and what they see as important.
fierce fern
I 100% agree with you. I hope they make him the 'just a blacksmith' Perrin we all love.
put a sock in it.
๐
open monolith
did not enjoy the writing style of that author
fierce fern
thats a fair criticism
open monolith
made it too difficult to get through. never finished
BLACK COMPANY, THOUGH
NOW THAT IS SOME HIGH QUALITY WEIRD FANTASY
formal river
Oh Robert jordan is super long winded for sure
I buy into it though
Although you know exactly what every stitch if every dress looks like in every scene
sick sentinel
i wouldn't have liked wheel of time if i didnt start watching asmons stream
or, i probably wouldnt have as much, i mean i'm still a metal head.
formal river
Your logic train confuses me
fierce fern
Asmon is a wheel of time fan?
strong forum
sick sentinel
he starts the stream ever day with dragon force or wheel of time
formal river
Damn
Dont worry it takes a lot of skill to pull off
I think they added a 4th keybind this exp
signal plover
brave
signal plover
bruh gotta get dat simpin variety
open monolith
asmon likes WoT? wow, I feel much better about hating it now
still pagoda
strong forum
wdym brave paw
sick sentinel
104 hours on doom eternal, i love doom games and metal
signal plover
is WoT anime?
fierce fern
I think there is confusion between a Game and a Band.
strong forum
Kyrian is bis for VDH Paw
signal plover
i kno
fierce fern
a book series and a band
sick sentinel
and i also played alot of world of tanks, but i played on console. spent a ton of money on there before it became hotwheels bullshit
distant crater
can we talk about how ridiculously busted the AA + Grove Invigoration combo is when you get the anima power where abilities can cause AA
still pagoda
that's some hard masochism here
open monolith
yogi are you really young?
still pagoda
can we talk about how ridiculously busted the AA + Grove Invigoration combo is w...
torghast is so easy there is nothing to discuss about it
fierce fern
an actual Prot question. My main is a different class but I really like the class fantasy of Necrolord prot... how much am I gimping myself?
formal river
It's close unless you really want to speedrun high mythic
still pagoda
an actual Prot question. My main is a different class but I really like the clas...
not much if you're not going for big WR's
or big keys
open monolith
No content will be off limits if you go necrolord. You'll just have to live with the same of having gone necrolord.
signal plover
you'll be able to get CE with necro prot
fierce fern
Heroic at most and 15s at a push
distant crater
then you'll be fine
formal river
Go necro then
fierce fern
thank you for validating me xD
open monolith
@sick sentinel I looked around everywhere and I couldn't find who asked
fierce fern
condem is super cool but my main is Venthyr and I want to spread the love
open monolith
I feel that.
I'm only making alts who can use the different covenants well
since I don't want to have 2 of the same covenant
distant crater
yeah I went NF specifically to have 1 of each cov and my DH is venthyr already
open monolith
so for I have prot warr kyrian and SV hunter night fae
fierce fern
I'm really sorry for the confusion, we were talking about Wheel of Time. a book series.
west yew
you guys use acronyms constantly and i have no fuckin idea what ur talking about lmfao
sick sentinel
ah, well to my knowledge WoT is world of tanks, so my apologies i just got confused
open monolith
Necrolord like... makes the most sense flavor wise for warriors
west yew
^
open monolith
E T E R N A L B A T T L E
west yew
also your teamates will appreciate the crit
open monolith
one can argue kyrian, too
But who wants to pick a covenant that doesn't PUMP YOUR OWN NUMBERS UP SIGNIFICANTLY
like, balance druid's best covenant is Kyrian, which doesn't even affect their own damage! GROSS.
distant crater
@open monolith any of them make the most sense flavor wise. If you are a Elf or Tauren Warrior I would argue that NF makes just as much sense
thats the fun about being a warrior - you are a blank slate
open monolith
Ah, you know what, you're right. Night Elf fits in NF regardless of class, very tru
Hell, so does my troll warrior
distant crater
yup
open monolith
weird
formal river
No kink shame plz
open monolith
too late
formal river
Damn
formal river
My classic prot paladin is a female dwarf
distant crater
i only play ugly girl characters
formal river
I respect it
open monolith
LOOK HOW PRETTY I AM
sick sentinel
i almost never play girl characters unless a game forces me to
open monolith
@distant crater you only play Kul'tiran females?
distant crater
@open monolith and DID
formal river
That emo hair though
noble cipher
Guys, haste and versa is still prio?
open monolith
Haste and vers or crit depending on your preference
vers for SLIGHTLY better defense
crit for big pumpin'
but ilvl is better than everything
formal river
Crit and haste >>>> everything else. PERSONSAL OPINION
open monolith
ilvl >>>>>>>>>>>>> Haste >>> vers=crit > Mastery
noble cipher
Okk ty mates
open monolith
basically: you can ignore literally every stat other than haste
(assuming same ilvl)
This does not apply to trinkets
and rings / neck get more complicated
formal river
20% haste with devastator changes your world
open monolith
yeah I'm like 16% haste right now
i need a good haste necklace and higher ilvl shield w/ haste
formal river
I was at 20% but I swapped some shit out for more crit cause I'm weird and like my 9k condemns
formal river
You are just jealous
open monolith
Look.
Just because condemn is one of the best looking, sounding, and satisfying buttons to press
fierce fern
open monolith
I don't remember what my point was
formal river
My openers confuse people. I rape. And then 80% happens and I'm sad
open monolith
ah, see, when I use spear / avatar / demo shout
i rape
and it stays that way
and I'm not sad.
B I G P U M P E R S
formal river
Wet noodle.
fluid moon
Codemn is fun as fuck i would love to have something like sudden death or massacre in prot XD or whirlwind cleave. I want fury with prot :|
jovial parcel
LOOK HOW PRETTY I AM
tahts cool. are you are troll?
open monolith
ofc
Troll is the only non-blood elf race in horde that looks P R E T TY
my stupid friends made me switch to stupid horde
so I lost all my pretty pretty night elves, void elves, and goat girls
honest plinth
and dwarfs
open monolith
yo Dark iron dwarves looks pretty dope
honestly Alliance is just superior in every way ever since Thrall became a bitch in Cata
but, again, stupid friends ๐ฆ
jovial parcel
Troll is the only non-blood elf race in horde that looks P R E T TY
im the exact opposite, cant make myself play many ally races, only dwarf and worgen. with horde, almost all
open monolith
oh right, and worgen look REAL good now
gotta embrace that inner furry
and outer furry
I played horde exclusively from TBC to the end of WoD
my buddy had switched to alliance during WoD when I wasn't playing, so I switched with him
and I just ended up loving it. Everything looked better, the main city was put together better, the story was better, the characters are better
but then we recruited a new guy to play with us who has never touched the game and he wanted to play Horde, so we switched back ๐ฆ
fingers crossed that they will eventually allow cross faction play.
jovial parcel
gotta embrace that inner furry
but yeah i also like you enjoy playing a female toon
open monolith
Yeah man. I enjoy the aesthetics of everything on female characters more than male.
open monolith
my wife was giving me a look once as I carefully crafted the perfect female character
"look... honey I like staring at women more than men, ok?"
"....that makes perfect sense."
jovial parcel
true
but i have a friend who simply dont understand why male playing female toon... ehmm
open monolith
I catch crap from my friends occasionally for it
"look man, if you wanna stare at a big muscle-bound dude all day, go for it, I won't judge you"
jovial parcel
look at male blood elf?
wanna play a female or gaymale (nothing agaisnt gays btw)
i do like the males on horde side alot
open monolith
ehhh.... that's an uncomfortable take
atomic monolith
anyone know the chance of proc on hymnal of the path vs queensguard vigil?
trinkets
sick sentinel
i'd just rather play something that is an loose reprenstation of who i am in real life
is my reason for not rolling girl characters when given the option
open monolith
Queensguard seems better
open monolith
oh well
Hakkar trinket + haste field thingy for life
love those trinkets. so good
open monolith
which one is phial
open monolith
oh yeah that looks awesome
i would use that over the haste field if I got it
but hakkar trinket is WAY too clutch to ever not use
gigantic pull? why use shield wall when I can hakkar
strong forum
open monolith
You are gross
100% of demon hunters are filthy weebs
jk I played ffxiv a long time I can't say that
restive flax
is it legal that tank paladins heal themselfs for 33k with one word of glory?
still pagoda
is it legal that tank paladins heal themselfs for 33k with one word of glory?
reactive healing is always meh
since it won't really save you
gentle sable
currently paladins are illegal
still pagoda
Unless you are BDK
restive flax
Yeah exactly
still pagoda
Tell that to the guy who soloed mythic theater of pain spamming word of glory
bugs and exploits on top of how it works
open monolith
having a 0CD lay on hands is pretty damn powerful
restive flax
?
still pagoda
outside of this, paladin requires a lot of attention from healer
open monolith
there were no bugs or exploits in that video
restive flax
how is that an exploit
formal river
I'm behind on the race convo but Taurem are the only good horde race
strong forum
it only works in low content Agra
in high content, wog isnt gonna save you
youll just die the next global
still pagoda
^
strong forum
thats the current dilemma with Prot Pally
if you wog you die 1 global later, if you sotr you die now without a heal
you cant do both
restive flax
Is any other finisher going to change that though for Paladin?
strong forum
no, thats why theyre in a sucky spot
if youre low HP
you have to choose between AM or self healing
im not an expert on prot pally
but thats the main concern with them
afaik
still pagoda
im not an expert on prot pally
this concern goes away if your healer pays attention to you
restive flax
I'm not an expert period LUL
still pagoda
same goes for all the other tanks
otherwise, prot pala is pretty squishy 100% of the time
Doesn't make the spec bad
restive flax
Yeah honestly I was confused how much damage Rextroy took during all that
open monolith
Well he was intentionally not using sotr
restive flax
But he didnt use sotr at all so thats prolly why
still pagoda
all tank specs are in a really good spot right now
restive flax
ye I know
open monolith
Vdh and prot pally are probably gonna get a damage nerf at some point
Everything else is well balanced
still pagoda
problem solving still requires mastery but that is already up to mastering the spec
restive flax
I literally dont have any concept of other tanks sustain / tankiness because I have never played a dungeon as DD this expac
open monolith
I saw that. 70% nerf to the sotr damage conduit
Idk how much that actually touches their dps though
restive flax
didnt it get nerfed two hotfixes in a row?
still pagoda
@strong forum tbh, the farther this shit with these officers goes, the more i just want to tell them to go fuck themselves
all the way Hawgz style
still pagoda
Vdh and prot pally are probably gonna get a damage nerf at some point
tbf, this is not really a problem either as damage output of all the other tank specs allows for a lot of room with threat gen
dense pivot
well divine toll turrets shields, so single target judgement into divine toll probably did a lot of damage
still pagoda
even DK is a threat machine on big pulls
still pagoda
how have you not convinced them in m0s?
i have not done m0's with them
preferred to do with people i know better in the guild
formal river
Should remedy that
strong forum
well
still pagoda
formal river
Ask to tank for them on tuesday
strong forum
just have them vouch for you then
still pagoda
officers can go fuck themselves
strong forum
same
still pagoda
i literally told one of them that i'm not going to take any of such demands seriously
i have DK in case of "roadblocks"(which we all know won't be present 
) but that's it
"this is out of discussion" won't work on me
astral crystal
late to the pally problem but once you get a decent amount of haste, the gap that issue opens is gonna get solved
still pagoda
same goes for pwarri
astral crystal
yeah
still pagoda
spec gets smoother and smoother with haste
tbf, same with BDK considering that new stat prio is vers>haste
astral crystal
well bdk being a wet paper bag is a problem beyond haste
still pagoda
it is a damage profile that makes you a wet paper
you need to treat your RP as a pool of active mitigation
and not an "oh fuck" button
still pagoda
and doing bad marrowrends
formal river
Yep
still pagoda
essentially limiting RP pool
formal river
Blindly following a rotation instead of being proactive
I love BDK class design but I like being a shieldbro more.
open monolith
I think the only reason "lol warrior bad" is so common is because warrior is one of the tanks that REALLY highlights the difference between good and bad warrior
good brew vs bad brew = not super different to heal
good warrior vs bad warrior = hugely different to heal
open monolith
don't wanna
still pagoda
a bad warrior is dead
open monolith
i can't read.
still pagoda
a bad monk taxes a healer to the point of wipe
pastel sleet
Is raid set up going to be the same as m+setup?
strong forum
na
open monolith
yeah that article doesn't even support your stance of "a bad monk taxes a healer to the point of a wipe"
that article just proves my point: optimal brew play (2 years ago) meant virtually nothing.
And it's even worse now since ironskin brew doesn't exist anymore so they only have to occasionally use purifying brew
still pagoda
that article just proves my point: optimal brew play (2 years ago) meant virtual...
that is the main meaning of the article
yet it still shows that it is harder to heal a bad monk
:)
granite cloud
i legitamatley just had avatar up, spear on, and a single targert taunt used and still didnt hold aggro what the fuck
open monolith
right. I never said that it wasn't harder to heal a bad monk
still pagoda
:)
open monolith
I'm trying to highlight that healing a bad warrior is MUCH harder than healing a bad monk
the difference between good monk/ bad monk is... not huge. Difference between good warrior / bad warrior is massive
primal crypt
hey, is there a list compiled anywhere for capped spells for tanks by any chance?
primal crypt
lmao
ember inlet
Good evening, gents. Is there any reputation items prot war needs?
still pagoda
no
still pagoda
search on google
strong forum
you can make one ๐
still pagoda
not a problem to do so after all
sweet surge
Have there been any sims regarding combat potions yet? They all seem kinda good
still pagoda
^^
simple socket
:)
primal crypt
Just wanted to be lazy and ask first
formal river
I dpsed for the first time as venthyr arms and its fucking magical.
formal river
30 condemns in a row feels like
still pagoda
so, i got kicked
strong forum
kek
primal crypt
from where?
still pagoda
That'll teach you to stand up to your metachasing guild officers.
i did stand up
open monolith
I... I know
still pagoda
their own problem they can't understand even a fucking dime
"S tier this. Meta that"
i got fed up to the point of calling them infantile
for a good reason
had enough ever i've started raiding in WoW
lone folio
Should I recruit a Paladin to tank with a Warrior? Do they complete each other well or does that not even matter?
open monolith
doesn't matter
strong forum
Should I recruit a Paladin to tank with a Warrior? Do they complete each other w...
doesnt really matter
still pagoda
Should I recruit a Paladin to tank with a Warrior? Do they complete each other w...
doesn't matter. The best thing you can do is to recruit a guy and test how he plays
primal crypt
Warrior is a B tier tank
primal crypt
so you're in a good spot since they're best
open monolith
then bring the class
dense pivot
B is for boo๐ ฑ๏ธies
open monolith
you dropped a 'b'
primal crypt
B
junior shell
Hey, ive never tanked and i read trough the wowhead guide, but i didnt find a beginners kind of guide to understand when and how to correctly use defensives
is there one somewhere?
fallow mortar
It should have one O.o
still pagoda
is there one somewhere?
one of the first sections of Icy Veins guide
written by one of local TC's
junior shell
k, ty
fallow mortar
https://www.wowhead.com/protection-warrior-simple-guide @junior shell
It is in the "Guide Highlights" section
gentle trellis
So, I just got across this reddit thread and im confused. I dont have any threat problems... am I playing a wrong iteration of pwar?
still pagoda
great
gentle trellis
still pagoda
and now i'm also stuck on a server where no guild is looking for tank
ionic fern
Nah.
There are no aggro issues in general.
๐คท
People just play the class wrong and then complain
still pagoda
^
turbid cargo
aye I've had zero problems with threat anywhere
gentle trellis
Our best prot.... struggle... what are these people
still pagoda
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
dusky mica
The game is broken though
If we're not top dps on all of our specs, what are the designers playing at
open monolith
r/compeititivewow is actually just a haven for terrible wow players who want to pretend like they are better than anyone else
please ignore all content there.
still pagoda
r/compeititivewow is actually just a haven for terrible wow players who want to pretend like they are better than anyone else [2]
primal crypt
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rpzonnBd4dvLaUY1xhzb4rxJp41vGwl1ELiLPQHS-KU/edit?usp=sharing target cap reference xD
gentle trellis
primal crypt
if anyone cares
sick sentinel
@fallow mortar: The guide states, that IP is capped at 130% of its base value. I just checked on my warrior, that it is in fact 200%. Maybe that could be corrected
primal crypt
just built a small cheat sheet
fallow mortar
it isn't my guide, so why are you telling me this O.o
open monolith
reddit is a cesspool of 15 year olds who regurgitate everything that asmongold or whatever their favorite youtube personality vomits at them
critical thought is absent entirely from any of the discussions there, including the "competitive wow" sub.
west yew
@gentle trellis probably just ppl who looked at the icyveins guide and called it a day like me
i was having threat problems till i switched to ravager
fixed literally everything for me
ionic fern
๐
vocal bison
ravager is so much fun
west yew
^
vocal bison
love it in epic bgs too, just throwing that and spear down in the middle of a group and watching them panic
primal crypt
Mwahi best
ionic fern
The Easy mode provides both options jeah
west yew
just feels way easier to build threat with ravager for me
ionic fern
Rav/Bolster and UF/AM
vocal bison
I started with UF, but really like rav for burst
west yew
i do rav am as well
formal river
I like having avatar at the start and end of boss fights
ionic fern
The damage intake does not warrant Bolster right now.
formal river
For condemn window
I can usually slip in a third with AM because pug dps tends to be awful
west yew
will probably switch to bolster once i start doing m+ and need more mitigation
still pagoda
Neither comes with Aggro issues.
been playing bolster/ravager for these 2 weeks
can confirm
ZERO issues
still pagoda
^
west yew
i am bad
strong forum
and make people think prot is actually bad
still pagoda
sadly bad people kick people who just want to play their goddamn spec
formal river
I've watched streams of warriors that dont tab target. Just tclap and hope for the best
strong forum
hey thats me
ionic fern
Ngl, i don't tab either. ๐
formal river
Over trained up in classic. I'm a tab target phenom
ionic fern
No real need for it in like...95% of the situations.
still pagoda
my now former GM and officers didn't bring up any fucking points why i should switch from pwarri except for "it is the weakest tank rn"
west yew
i skipped bfa so i've been trying to get used to the new threat generation mechanics
strong forum
ye in legion you generated 1000% bonus threat
still pagoda
it was the same in BfA
strong forum
now its 500%
formal river
Legion was cake yea
I like that they made it harder
Actially have to pay attention
still pagoda
it wasn't really harder
ionic fern
Threat..is not a issue tho. ๐
west yew
its not an issue if you're not bad like me ๐ญ
west yew
exactly
formal river
@west yew make a hotkey to mark a skull
strong forum
its better to know, that youre doing smth right, than think youre doing it properly but think the class is bad
formal river
Makes life so much easier. Dpsers are apes
west yew
every class in wow can be piloted to success in 99% of situations
if im doing bad i always immediately think im doing something wrong
that's why i hopped in here
formal river
I got from diamond to challenger in league by watching Neace coaching videos. Studying helps
sweet summit
with HoA gone, kinda
still pagoda
was threat nerfed in SL or BFA?
in BfA
dense pivot
ah ok
strong forum
someones gotta stick their neck out
formal river
I like warrior more than my legion BDK. Feels like I have so many more tools so I can keep getting better .
honest plinth
here we go
dense pivot
gz
still pagoda
gz
honest plinth
ty
restive flax
Is Manifest Death reflectable? Its not showing up in the reflect guide
theater of pain endboss ability
the one that spawns the lil shitbags
sweet summit
empty
outer chasm
hey guys, is there any particular slot that is better for Thunderlord legendary?
restive flax
boots. make you do stomp real good
outer chasm
any serious reasoning one is better than the other? ๐
still pagoda
stat budget
boots and gloves are near each other
yet boots still provide a bit more
outer chasm
thank you mate, appreciate it ๐
dense flame
@strong forum will you keep bolster or will you use AM in m+.
strong forum
i will use Bolster
but idk when
dont think ill need it in +6s
but time will tell
dense flame
Legit Fsho. Was thinking same thing. I just personally like that cushion.
strong forum
especially once i have hakkar, i wont need to play bolster for a bit
ember inlet
Speaking of legion and threat generation
I remember mythic crosses fight
My 2nd tank was feral
quartz mist
did they buff the drop of thunderlord ?
ember inlet
I always generated more aggro, like by huge amount
And because of that crosses magic dot I had to generate rage, to pump out those IPs to stay alive
Led to me "taunting" the boss xD
Crosus*
Crosus fight
strong forum
did they buff the drop of thunderlord ?
They buffed drop rate of all legendaries yes
The higher the difficulty the higher the drop rate
civic rover
grizzled skiff
Does Signet legendary work with prot avatar/ravager by chance?
still pagoda
only with avatar
dense pivot
nah it's not 100% I think
strong forum
Avatar yes, ravager no
still pagoda
prot ravager is different compared to arms ravager
dense pivot
deathmaker didn't drop for me this week
grizzled skiff
Would have been so sweet.
dense pivot
but unhinged did ๐ค
dense pivot
are they from the same boss?
strong forum
They're just from torghast
The wing matters, the boss doesn't afaik
I got 3 leggos from torghast total
I believe
dense pivot
nono we are talking about m0/dungeon legos
dense pivot
torghast yeah 100%
open monolith
I can't wait to get both pairs of boots and no gloves from the raid
which will 100% happen since I have legendary boots
dense pivot
LOL
open monolith
We upgrading to level 2 legendaries on Tuesday boys!
or... crafting our second level 1
quartz mist
most people making gloves ?
open monolith
I'd say it's a healthy split
they are nearly identical in stat distribution, with boots having slightly more armor and like.. 1 more secondary stat at high levels
hushed vessel
Hey how highly is avoidance valued on gear?
ember inlet
Good to have, but not so important
Follow the general rule
Ilvl-haste-vers/crit
I mean vers-crit/mastery
hushed vessel
Yea so i have vers mastery avoidance bracer or haste vers speed bracers same i lvl
now which ones are better
sweet summit
id take the haste there
ember inlet
Haste
quartz mist
haste is goat
strong forum
Tertiary stats play no matter
ember inlet
Haste will keep you alive and bonking
hushed vessel
alright ty
potent anvil
Just get the avoidance on cloak enchant, ez 2% dmg reduction
hushed vessel
I have that
strong forum
Ye but what about leech
potent anvil
Im more of a speed guy though ๐
open gazelle
im pretty sure you want to rotate spear of bastion and ravager in dungeons for consistent agro holding purposes lol not use them at the same time, you kill a pack of mobs faster than a min
manic python
how's protection versus the others now
manic python
i might just tank my way till fury gets better
still pagoda
play whatever you want then
tank choice won't impact you unless you are playing on WF level
manic python
i would like to believe i'm going to go there but i dont think so
ember inlet
I just love the feeling and animation of a shield slam
hushed vessel
If you were on wf level you wouldnt be asking those questions now but have 4 tanks maxed out already
ember inlet
When you weave your bonkers shield in enemy face and rape them
crystal dirge
ive everything but warrior maxed
still pagoda
i would like to believe i'm going to go there but i dont think so
don't bother then
xD
sick sentinel
I'm having fun as prot
so little damage gets through
your mitigation is so strong as prot, its actually unmatched I feel
amber herald
Does the thunderclap leggo change rotation prio? Wondering if anyone knows
sick sentinel
nope
ember inlet
Nooe
still pagoda
you smacked Demoshout on CD
amber herald
aight
still pagoda
you smack it still
amber herald
even against packs?
sick sentinel
yep
open monolith
I feel like saying "all tanks are the same" is a bit disingenuous ๐ฎ
amber herald
nice
open monolith
VDH and Prot Pally damage is way high right now lol
amber herald
I can be lazy
sick sentinel
just look at mechanics and how it feels to play
if you enjoy it, end of story, meta will change every now and then
open monolith
Prot w is bae
ember inlet
Agreed
still pagoda
Idgaf about IP
open monolith
Wasn't it like 90% DR at some point
zealous turret
what is better for "The Wall" leggie , sholders or cloak?
zealous turret
tnx
quartz mist
are the 190 boes still selling ? got some 190 haste/vers shoulders
ember inlet
Sure
open monolith
based on BrM changes, Warriors in 10.0: "The effect of Shield Block is now passive. Ignore Pain is now your only active mitigation"
ember inlet
Ppl will grab those untill m+ arrive and raids
still pagoda
are the 190 boes still selling ? got some 190 haste/vers shoulders
selling to fools for sure
still pagoda
based on BrM changes, Warriors in 10.0: "The effect of Shield Block is now passi...
will not happen as Shield Block is too iconic
astral crystal
Wasn't it like 90% DR at some point
Yeah it was 90%
lavish oracle
I meeeean, if I had 100% block chance all the time I'd be okay with that
literally grab threat, get up grab a sandwhich, wait for the mobs to die
speaking of which, does challenging shout apply the taunt threat multiplier?
open monolith
Ignore Pain now causes the Warrior to literally ignore the pain. While they still take damage, this will not be reflected on their health bar.
In order to ensure the Warrior does not die, the healer must now guess when the Warrior has ignored too much pain, and proactively heal them despite how much they claim that they are "fine".
ember inlet
Doesn't that turn us into berserkers ? :O
open monolith
whoa
open gazelle
i miss thunderclap spam but ravager is just far superior for holding aggro and generating rage in m+. im sold
potent anvil
still pagoda
open monolith
I'm still on team UF/AM
the synergy with TL is soooooo good in dungeons
I feel like TL loses a lot of its value when you have to go ravager / bolster
steep wraith
ravager/bolster/signet
open monolith
get out.
steep wraith
just do damage
gentle trellis
Sorry to bring it back up but these reddit dudes are a joke. They downvoted norm into oblivion lmao
open monolith
immediately.
gentle trellis
Correction: every pwar praise gets downvoted haha
steep wraith
Oooh, has anyone tested that on live to confirm?
open monolith
Yes Scarr, reddit is a joke. It's only good for memes
r/competitivewow is honestly worse than the main sub, because that one presents itself as sub dedicated to min/maxing, but really it's a sub dedicated to circlejerking over whatever a youtuber said one time.
still pagoda
^
glossy topaz
we need cap haste? or?
sweet summit
no
still pagoda
22% haste enables you to pull 3 shield blocks in a row
sweet summit
166%
still pagoda
calculated around 166% that was needed for 1GCD Thunder Clap
open monolith
probably a necessary thing. 100% up time on SB is kinda degenerate
lavish oracle
@gentle trellis don't tell anyone prot is fine, I'm still hoping Blizzard will buff us
I wanna be stronk again
lavish oracle
Talking to me?
still pagoda
yup
lavish oracle
Yeah, we're gonna be good either way but I want them to buff us so we're OP again
still pagoda
i don't care
open monolith
naw man, being OP is lame
being OP = being nerfed
it's nice to be right in the bosom of mediocrity
Flying under the radar is the best
see: SV hunters
They do great damage and are underappreciated to the point that blizzard forgot that they exist
lavish oracle
No one plays SV, though
open monolith
I do
still pagoda
there are people who play survival
cold kayak
Do u guys have any guide for Prot?
open monolith
there's nothing quite like shitting on meters and then halfway through the dungeon hearing:
"Wait you're survival? wtf?"
maiden ravine
my warrior has such bad loot luck haha
sweet summit
david
lavish oracle
They could be topping charts in every raid and people still wouldn't play them
open monolith
I love the class fantasy of getting right up in there with my pet
It's sick.
Plus it's fun to play
feels really good
still pagoda
my warrior has such bad loot luck haha
first 2 weeks are heavy on RNG. Don't give up, it will all be good
maiden ravine
at least I'm getting eternal crystals
open monolith
I don't really know what I'm looking at there Karton
other than a bunch of SV hunter parses
still pagoda
I don't really know what I'm looking at there Karton
at the thing that people play
SV
๐
still pagoda
every spec has enthusiasts
open monolith
plus you get invited to groups because you're a hunter
chilly brook
I mean seems like a bunch of pumpers tbh
open monolith
and most people don't notice that you're melee until it's to late for them to kick you
bahahahahahahaha
open monolith
nope, we only deal in absolutes here
we are sith
black and white statements only
no colloquialisms
maiden ravine
Okay, so, on y'alls planned Theater of Pain routes, I'm gonna assume the key is to walk past a rancid gasbag to not go super over on %?
open monolith
the 1 in the circley room?
maiden ravine
yeah
open monolith
yeah.
tight window to get by it
so if your group isn't on point, you're pulling it
maiden ravine
yeah, gonna hate every dps that pulls that sucker
maiden ravine
undead
open monolith
RIP
you wanna know what IS humanoid for some reason?
those giant fucking gargoyles in atonement
i mean i guess I don't know what else they would be
maiden ravine
IF you can skip the gasbag I get 101.5% which isn't perfect, but not bad
open monolith
yeah you can definitely skip it
he just doesn't patrol very far past the door
so you gotta go quick / distract
shroud
whatever
also, how do you already know the %s?
is that a flat per-mob number?
sweet summit
MDT is up to date
maiden ravine
I'm been screwing around with mdt the past few days
open monolith
I've never used that. is that a website / addon?
sweet summit
addon to plan m+ routes
maiden ravine
One of the best tank addons ever
open monolith
#puglife
sweet summit
pug or not doesnt change anything
lavish oracle
Pugs never asked you to link mdt?
open monolith
no
sweet summit
most pugs do want the tank to link a route
open monolith
I stopped playing before that was a thing
lavish oracle
Hm.
sweet summit
skipped legion and bfa?
maiden ravine
"I just follow the tank, durrr"
open monolith
....odd
I never once heard of MDT in Legion or BFA
and no, I was never once asked to link a route
maiden ravine
I didn't know about MDT until 8.3
lavish oracle
Mostly rogues and healers ask
still pagoda
did 21s without MDT in legion
open monolith
I also only did my 15 for the week and never went higher
sweet summit
idk about legion, but ive used MDT for as long as i can remember
lavish oracle
Fire mages sometimes too, before everyone was running minute mage
open monolith
are you sure MDT existed in season 1 BFA?
because that was the last time I played.
open monolith
that would probably explain why I never heard of it lol
maiden ravine
It was some time in BFA I think it was made public
lavish oracle
It did exist season 1
maiden ravine
When Method was really starting to advertise their MDI teams
maiden ravine
it's useful to try and plan your prideful pulls for SL season 1
open monolith
I have absolutely no experience with prideful
I'm guessing the only reason you are is because of beta?
maiden ravine
Me neither besides what I've seen on streams
sweet summit
neither do we, unless you played beta
open monolith
gotcha.
lavish oracle
It's just a big ST add that spawns every 20%
sweet summit
its a mob every 20% trash
gives a 1 minute damage and mana regen buff after he is killed
lavish oracle
It gives you a buff when you kill it
maiden ravine
Does massive AoE damage, then gives your group a dps buff after
open monolith
massive AOE damage, you say?
maiden ravine
Your healer will go OOM during it, but then go back to full after
open monolith
RIP under geared disc priests
maiden ravine
Increasing ticking AoE damage
sweet summit
pulsing aoe damage ramping over time
lavish oracle
So usually you wanna proc it before a big trash pull or a boss
So you can take the buff in
open monolith
that sounds fun
maiden ravine
I'm hoping weekly cache loot caps at +10 so I don't gonna try and do a +14 Prideful next week
maiden ravine
that's end of dungeon cap
lavish oracle
He means the weekly
open monolith
oh.
maiden ravine
We don't know about the great vault yet
open monolith
welp. Pugging is gonna be fun this week :0
maiden ravine
they seem keen on making raiding slightly better gearing than m+ this expansion so they might cap m+ cache at heroic level
To match what the only raiders get
still pagoda
Blizz tested with +14/+15 weekly cap on beta. But this doesn't mean it will be +14/+15
lavish oracle
Just make a simple no frills route for each dungeon and add some flair after you've run it a few times
maiden ravine
For the first cache
still pagoda
Weekly m+ cache will remain mythic ilvl
maiden ravine
They seem to really not want to force raiders to do dungeons if they don't want. ๐
lavish oracle
Yeah, hard agree
strong forum
agreed
open monolith
I really wish my 3 RL close friends were good enough at WoW to just have a consistent m+ group. but, alas
maiden ravine
You often hear raiders say, "5 man content should never give gear close to mythic raiding level"
open monolith
only one of my friends is actually good
"I HAVE FEWER PERSONAL OBLIGATIONS AND CAN PLAY FOR 7+ HOURS IN ONE SITTING THEREFORE I DESERVE BETTER GEAR"
-some mythic raider somewhere, probably
maiden ravine
๐
lavish oracle
Is preheat notoriously unchill? Seems pretty chill
From what little of his content I've consumed
maiden ravine
Besides cease and desist letters, sure probably
open monolith
he made the public enemy #1 list by sending a C&D to a youtuber named Preheet, who existed before him on youtube
sick sentinel
you didnt hear about the oven andy name incident?
open monolith
Preheet is a chill dude who most people liked
lavish oracle
Yikes
open monolith
He got demoted for it
open monolith
and his statement was, "IM PROTECTING MY BRAND!!! I NEED MY BRAND TO SUPPORT MY FAMJAM!!!"
or something, idk
who cares
WoW players are nobodies
we all are
lavish oracle
Look, look with your special eyes
open monolith
thank you for making that reference
lavish oracle
๐
open monolith
you brought a smile to my face
sick sentinel
i've honest to god been strongly considering going to live in the woods with no internet or electricity
open monolith
No you haven't.
you are typing to people in a video game discord
on the internet righ tnow
sick sentinel
away from fuckwits and ragers in normal dungeons
open monolith
no you haven't.
sick sentinel
so, you know me better than i know me?
open monolith
Yes
lavish oracle
There are fuckwits and ragers in normals?
sick sentinel
you do not know me then
lavish oracle
What even is?
sick sentinel
please do not tell me what i do and do not know and what i want to do and think about.
lavish oracle
Fuckwits I understand
tired cove
can someone make prot feel not so slow ๐ฆ
lavish oracle
But like, who rages in a normal
open monolith
so I had the big ol' Kyrian spear that stuns everything and increases damage by 20% in a NORMAL Spires, right?
I type in chat: Hey I'm gonna pull like 3 groups at once next, don't be alarmed, I have all my cooldowns.
lavish oracle
Pick a talent that's not devastator