there was one fury power, but the first one I did didn't do one
#protection
fallow mortar
shrugs
maiden ravine
just confused cause my druid has 4 from torghast so far, but 4 specs and all
prisma gorge
Hello, is the conduit for healing from deep wounds any good?
fallow mortar
nope
prisma gorge
and %damage into IP?
sullen pond
maiden ravine
me too
novel hornet
Hello, is the conduit for healing from deep wounds any good?
Seems bad to me, I'd rather take the impending victory conduit
hushed vessel
The guides say that it's complete trash even in aoe
tulip helm
both didn't seem that great to me.
twin eagle
I tried the conduit. Over the course of an entire dungeon it made up 1.2% of my healing
tulip helm
anyone have opinion on legendaries, is it worth waiting? seems like thunderlords is going to be the defacto winner to me right now, but im not seeing a lot of number crunching to back it up.
hushed vessel
honestly all finesse conduits are complete trash
twin eagle
Is it possible to get memory of the thunderlord spamming heroic spire?
hushed vessel
endurance got the ignore pain one which is quite good isnt it
novel hornet
@twin eagle ya
hushed vessel
but finesse only has the enduring cry one
twin eagle
Jeez I've got crap luck then. I've ran it 17x
hushed vessel
@tulip helm yea thunderlords is amazing for m+ but you want to get the wall for raids
novel hornet
You don't think a flat CD reduction on shockwave is good?
hushed vessel
Totally forgot about that since i haven't gotten it yet. Yea true that is pretty nice
maiden ravine
yay, got a shield from mists
still need a lot more loot, but 5 dungeons to go
shield was most important
novel hornet
Potency conduits are pretty bad too
Although as a venthyr meme tank I should use the unnerving focus conduit
With bolster
maiden ravine
any particular reason? Just more condemn in last stand windows?
novel hornet
Pretty much ya
tulip helm
idk I play with the angle people and the first guy, the battle meditation is very strong
fossil sparrow
I keep forgetting to change my conduits when I swap from arms to prot
unsurprisingly overpower conduits dont work for prot
maiden ravine
I've been using ashen juggernaut as a meme
fossil sparrow
maiden ravine
it's also my only 184 conduit
novel hornet
Just pop last stand at the end of the fight with bolster, and spend all rage on condemn
maiden ravine
that's what I do
novel hornet
Sounds glorious tbh
tulip helm
why do you need bolster for that?
novel hornet
Why waste rage in shield block when I could be executing
maiden ravine
so you have to worry less about shield bloc
tulip helm
i just exicute
tulip helm
I guess we'll see what happens if that content gets released 🙂
maiden ravine
I got my Mists helm too, love the appearance
tulip helm
idk if they have changed this, but in the past the shield block from last stand does not trigger the effect active mitigation. So let say you get knocked back if you don't have shield block on, using bolster last stand will stil cause the knock back, bleeds or extra damage or anything like that.
novel hornet
Meh
fossil sparrow
that doesnt sound right
novel hornet
Can use last stand at the start of the fight as well as the end with bokster too
novel hornet
You can still change the path at keast
fossil sparrow
yeah but I want the same path for arms and prot
surreal jetty
Wish they kinda changed it to be changed like talents are
fossil sparrow
but obviously not the same conduit
I thought you could change them in rest areas, like the path
that'd..be the logical choice
surreal jetty
Naw
Tried that just now and no go
Had to go back to the fairy fuckers to change my shit
fossil sparrow
so everytime I want to swap spec, I go back to the covenant
surreal jetty
Yeah...aids I know lol considering I switch specs depending on what I’m doing
novel hornet
I think I'm going to go with impending victory too
I'd rather just heal for 30% rather than get a bit better IP
Or a shitty HoT
loud mural
Between the legendary memory that gives you better intercept, or the one that gives you better revenge, is revenge alright? Since it is useable by other specs, thinking of getting it. Or is it too much of a loss for something like M+ tanking to not have better intercept?
surreal jetty
Shit was gonna ask! I just did it as fury and man layer 3 was tough!
Anyone got a solid talent spec for prot to run! I don’t do it much but shit idk how ima do in layer 4 lol
steel mauve
I would still save for tgv or the wall over any other lego memory you would have obtained just to use one unless you just want to dump soul ash
surreal jetty
And I used impending victory and made things a bit nicer but still was scary lol
IP is a god send
loud mural
tgv?
steel mauve
Impending victory isnt useful honestly, especially in torghast when you can both get so many free vic rushes off killing movs, especially mawrats, and the possible anima that you get a vic rush every 20 seconds
steel mauve
Thunderlords, the one that reduces demo shout per enemy hit by tclap up to 3 enemies
surreal jetty
And instead has a 30 sec CD instead of just dependent on death
You just lose out on stun pretty much
novel hornet
I think impending is underrated
steel mauve
You kill so many things in torghast that you would have greater benefit in taking another talent and just getting vic rushes with every kill, especially the amount of rage you gain and spend for indom healing
solar crown
The 'spells cost no rage'-power in torghast fucks us over hard, right? Ran through torghast yesterday and only had 1 option, and without thinking i just picked whatever it was.
It got way harder after that without indominable actually healing me anymore..
steel mauve
Its not underrated, it just cant compete with indom currently
surreal jetty
Well for that line it was either SB or DT I’ll take the extra sustain for torghast
proven breach
Had the nice combo today of IP giving shield wall and also got extended wall duration. Popped an IP got a 52 sec wall
All the rage for revenge
surreal jetty
Idk me personally I prefer it and it’s honestly saved me a few times
steel mauve
And in order for impending victory to be 100% useful over indom you would really need to get close to 100% downtime on vic rush and gain the heal from it
novel hornet
Victory rush is useless in bosses
surreal jetty
I’m talking specifically in boss fight
Having that extra 10% saved me on later 3 honestly
tulip helm
indomitable seems like a very good option in my opinion
fringe marten
From what I'm hearing; even from players I know are solid...Torghast can be challenging for a lot of DPS classes in various ways; and it's dummy easy for tanks, especially prot. I'm worried a bit of tuning in some way may occur in there.
lavish oracle
Remember Indom is also increasing the size of your IP on top of giving you reliable healing from rage spent
fringe marten
Every time people/guildies want to group for Torghast I'm like "ehh..but then it would possibly get challenging? I can just hold W key and crush it as prot."
hallow phoenix
wont they just do a visions fix or something
targeted specifically at DPS, tanks, and healers
e.g. tanks do less damage or take more damage
lavish oracle
Yeah, I run it with my buddies just because I know DPS life can be rough
fringe marten
Right I know why; solo tanks have an instance with mobs with lower HP ...but Torghast compensates the damage output by giving us ridiculous damage abilities.
surreal jetty
Yeah I agree! Doing it as a dps solo and sheeesh harder than I thought
fringe marten
But as prot, I can get literally the worst possible anima powers and I'm STILL going to smash the joint...if I get GOOD anima powers it's insane and I can pull entire floors and smush it in 2 seconds..and 1 shot bosses (literally, the ? ancient knife? jagged knife? ability...SUPER BUSTED)
lavish oracle
To be fair, visions were also stupid easy as prot after a couple weeks
novel hornet
Healing from indom is a bit over time, if healers actually went oom in this game that would matter, what IV does is give you an oh shit button when things go wrong
fringe marten
Yeah they were a bit challenging at first and then we started to overgear it and work our way up the tech tree...and it became a "pull all the stuff..smash"
surreal jetty
Healing from indom is a bit over time, if healers actually went oom in this game...
Exactly this
lavish oracle
Yeah, I fucked up a couple times running visions with friends because I'd pull a whole district in a 5 mask and look back and they'd all be dead
novel hornet
Everything
lavish oracle
10% max health is improving your IP significantly
Warriors don't really need an oh shit button in my experience
tulip helm
wurm you were saying you weren't sure on what endurance slots to take, why nnot take unnerving focus?
lavish oracle
Just don't mess up 4head
tulip helm
fits with anyone playing bolster imo
steel mauve
Indom isnt meant to be a bigger heal or prevent healers from ooming, its meant to smooth out damage and improving ignore pain to also greatly smooth damage intake
lavish oracle
Yeah, this exactly
We're the most proactive tank, We're not looking to heal back damage, just smooth it
fringe marten
After the first week of the 3rd floor of torghast... then I start seeing premade groups with "3rd floor..BE GOOD, BE GEARED" in the premade finder, and guildmates trying to make groups for it; I didn't understand. Second week smashed torghast on 3rd floors real quick..same thing..people asking for groups, and talking about how certain stuff was hard. Then I looked into it and saw the disparity between how easy it is for tanks vs dps...it's unreal.
steel mauve
And warriors arent meant to be a watered down dk woth self healing, we have tools to smooth damage intake and better tools to prevent damage to ourselves, but its better to improve our strengths than to band aid fix our "weaknesses"
novel hornet
We already have two abilities that smooth damage, why not add one to react to damage spikes
graceful kite
Warriors are the opposite of a dk in terms of tanking
novel hornet
Your just trippling down on a strength rather than filling a gap
jagged pier
@novel hornet because if you play it properly there are no damage spikes
graceful kite
We are proactive and dks are reactive
hallow phoenix
Always triple down
maximize that damage smoothing
your healer will react to spikes
novel hornet
Even if you play properly shit can go wrong and your healer could use help catching up
steel mauve
When tripling down is a bigger improvement than filling a gap you triple down
fringe marten
We have great physical mitigation, great AoE dps, an aoe stun, a fear (doesn't always work on all torghast mobs) and when we kill ANYTHING in there we get a 20% heal insta.. and you're constantly crushing down mobs. So even the huge packs full of casters you can't all interrupt; and the few that live long enough to get casts off...STILL no danger. You're just healing it all back up...0 challenge.
steel mauve
Its a numbers game, when you can gain 100% effectiveness from a talent through out an entire fight or partial effectiveness from an on demand heal, the 100% talent wins out
lavish oracle
I mean, if you wanna help your healer, stop spending rage on revenge for a bit and dump it into IP
solar crown
Probably gonna see some changes for torghast the coming weeks.
Naowh cleared torghast in 17mins, both wings, and if that doesnt make the alarms go off in blizzard i dont know what will.
hallow phoenix
Am i the only one that likes to take my time in torghast 😦
fringe marten
And to top it all off..we have a leap that we can have on a fairly short cooldown that deletes almost all the danger/challenge from the "trap" floors in Torghast? like..? It's like prot warrior is optimized for Torghast honestly.
Torghast is meant to be a bit of a power fantasy with some minor hiccup challenges for us to work around (as a solo player) it gets quite nasty in a group..but with no real benefit to doing it (same as visions)
It being easily cleared by skilled players is not something they're worried about..it's intended. I'm just saying that prot, and tanks...have a SUPER easy time in there.
I explore all the rooms and stuff Tusks..I don't try and go slow, but I'm not rushing it..so all the floor 3 clears have been like a 30 min dungeon crawl basically. I honestly think it's some fun little solo content..but there's nothing scary or tough about it ATM (we're at the doorstep of it atm; of course there's a lot more to open up as the xpac goes on)
sick sentinel
agree to this, I've run Torghast on all 6 tanks and by far had the easiest time on prot warrior
maiden ravine
it's layer 3, if he can do that on layer 8 I'm sure they'll do something
fringe marten
In it's current state; if it scales and works the same way it does....it'll be the same way on layer 8 basically. Once we have appropriate gear/etc.
It's due to how the mobs mechanically work, and how the anima powers work...so the deeper layers would have to add deadlier/difficult mechanics and stuff to hinder us to change the fact that a tank can W key through the whole thing.
maiden ravine
meh, it's enough of a bloody chore. Don't make it harder
my least favorite part of the expansion
It makes me miss warfronts
rotund willow
anyone here using any BFA trinkets over SL for defensives?
solar crown
True, its only layer 3.
They should make it more profitable to run it as a group though. Atm i have been adding people from my guild to 'boost then through', but it just takes more time if they dont bring the dps to compensate for the additional hp. Something is wrong if it gets harder if you add more people
fringe marten
I would really like them to incentivize grouping in there; a full 5 man makes a lot of the mobs and mechanics really nasty and you need stuns/kicks/etc like higher m+; plus the stuff starts hitting nasty, especially the spells. Currently there's absolutely no reason to group in there..and that's a shame. So if you don't incentivize grouping it needs to be easy for all classes.
maiden ravine
It's the same as visions
solar crown
Sure, but that doesnt make it good
I feel torghast have the potential to be fun, it just lacks something to make you go in there with a bunch of friends and just spend some time
fringe marten
Where are people finding the 'Calloused Bone' crafting material for the path of ascension; in maldraxxas? I went up into that elite area in the south west because there's tons of skeletons..but I'm not getting any drops.
Right Leffa..in a group it becomes basically a M+ dungeon..so they need to have some worthwhile rewards.
If they make the legendaries only drop in a group..they'll have a riot on their hands so...they can't do that =\
vocal bison
Make consumables drop at the end, kind of like right now where you can choose between a bag of consumables or phantasma sometimes
Small incentive, nothing crazy, but a reason to group
Bag of goodies per floor with 5 or something like that
sweet summit
@novel ruin 
maiden ravine
still wouldn't make me group haha
potent fable
maiden ravine
Had some healer tell me I should go punish cause that's what Naowh does on stream
fringe marten
No..real incentives..gear. You know darn good and well it's the only thing that straight breaks peoples arms and shackles them to each other.
hallow phoenix
wouldnt that just be fore the +20% shield slam anima power
for max shield slam memes
maiden ravine
probably, hopefully the healer wasn't basing a talent suggestion off Torghast
hallow phoenix
i just unbound revenge cause i want to get to 100 stacks in torghast
with the +200% damage when you charge/leap
and see what it hits for
lavish oracle
You like torghast less than the maw?
maiden ravine
Maw is 30 minutes a week and out
solar crown
Torghast was never meant to be super hard though, as it was just a semi-fun extra-thing you could do besides raiding and m+.
The playerbase has been educated over the past expansion that 'you will get everything without extra effort', and the result is that they cant make torghast really challenging without getting a shitstorm
maiden ravine
You'd think that
lavish oracle
Either way, pretty quick as long as you're not getting completely fucked over on animal powers
maiden ravine
but read general chat while you're in there
solar crown
on way of solving the whine about torghast is to make it easy for everyone, instead of making it harder for tanks, and i guess thats the way blizzard is gonna solve it
maiden ravine
they've been nerfing things already
solar crown
And that is really sad, cuz the general player expects to just run into something brand new and master it after 1 try
lavish oracle
Eh, if you're gonna hide player power like legendaries behind it, probably shouldn't be too difficult
hallow phoenix
revenge tooltip at 100k hit
solar crown
I guess most of the people in general chat hasnt even tried to look up what the mobs do and what spells they need to interrupt. they just run around as chickens and dont get carried by addons who tell them what to move and where
hallow phoenix
still not max stacks
maiden ravine
they should've just made it more like visions where you get deeper as you go. Layer 1-3 shouldn't be as many floors as layers 4-6
brazen grotto
Honestly except for the initial quest i have'nt been inthere yet
i know i have to at some point though
maiden ravine
I dunno, some floors just really bore me. Like I could honestly do without the broker floor
put it at the end of a floor and be done with it
don't make me walk through an entire empty floor
lavish oracle
I just always take the 'run fast near walls' power when I see it
Usually it pops up
maiden ravine
not anymore after the last hotfixes
lavish oracle
Whomp whomp
prisma gorge
would be nice to have capabilities to group up all mobs if you want 😄
maiden ravine
it wasn't a liked power
You can, there's the thunderclap power
I tend to take it cause it interrupts things
prisma gorge
200yards away?
lavish oracle
Could always get the fog power too
maiden ravine
it's pretty damn far, it pulls things you aren't even in combat with
lavish oracle
Fogs less common, though
solar crown
its a great way to get aggro on new packs
cinder roost
The grip is the best talent in Torghast 🙂
And when you got WW on SS it's even funnier !
cinder roost
Props to you for not hitting that button
hallow phoenix
i had to unbind it
cinder roost
Thought so 😄
hallow phoenix
I got 2x of the power that increases revenge per soul jar you smash
got to 81 stacks
got an anima power that gave me best served cold for free, and another that increases my damage by 200% after leap
Then 2x enemies affected by shouts take +20% more damage
it was meant to be
does anyone bother with the dailies in the maw
cinder roost
Sure, why not? Or you just do rares only?
lavish oracle
Sometimes I do the dailies when I have time and I'm thinking about it
maiden ravine
I am not that worried about Ven'ari rep
sweet summit
finish dailies then to rares til tier 5 on main, just dailies on alts
cinder roost
What about stygias
maiden ravine
you get more than you can spend as it is
sweet summit
yeah im just buying the maw and torghast upgrades as i can tbh
maiden ravine
on MDT, what pulls are you guys going to try and skip in Theater
right now it seems really hard to get 100% without going over
I'll have to see if I can walk past some stuff before Gorechop
if I can do that 101.11% seems feasible
hallow phoenix
oh boy i really should have some MDT routes going
didnt even know it was up to date for SL
maiden ravine
yep!
Most dungeons are walk forward and get decent prideful spawns and %
only a couple are funky
Theater and Plaguefall seem to be the biggest potential over pull areas
Sang too seems really hard, but MDT is mistaken about the start, you can walk past 2.5% there so I'm not super over
hallow phoenix
there are tons of skips in plaguefall
maiden ravine
indeed, but it'll be the dungeon most people accidentally overpull
or skip too much
hallow phoenix
skipping all the stuff i know how to skip in plaguefall leaves me with 74.83% enemy forces
maiden ravine
yeah
fallow mortar
MDT?
sweet summit
mythic dungeon tools
undone sun
mythic
fallow mortar
tyvm
solar crown
what are you guys upgrading in the sanctum? anything you 'should' be prioritizing?
sweet summit
its not tied to player power so just do whatever
solar crown
true, but you get 5 souls per week, and my dumbass went for the 'flowing tendrils' last week which was pretty much useless
guess path of ascension is pretty nice
maiden ravine
Honestly they all do cool things
I use the portals on my Necro and Venthyr chars
I like the conductor stuff
It's gonna suck not being able to upgrade anything next week
It's not until renown 15 we start getting more souls a week
If you care about alternate colors of your covenant sets you'll want the conductor upgraded faster for more grateful offerings
jade axle
Whom do I watch/read to get a good understanding of Prot Warr in Shadow Lands (returning player from MOP)
sweet summit
the icy veins or wowhead guide is a great place to start
jade axle
Thanks
fallow mortar
is there a way to save the plans made in MDT? I am having trouble finding it
craggy portal
I'm coming back after a long break, is prot warrior as bad as everyone is claiming for m+? Figured this would be the best place to ask.
earnest lava
@solar crown how is it any more useless than the other upgrades?
sweet summit
@fallow mortar you click "new route" and mark whatever. it auto saves
fallow mortar
neat, ty
solar crown
<@!212297117446832129> how is it any more useless than the other upgrades?
Dunno, hence why i asked if there was something i didnt see/should have been picking
urban quartz
Question. Should i sim for Stat weights? or the Icy and Wowhead stat weights enough to base off?
urban quartz
So if i had something that was for example 50 haste 50 vers but something else is 50 haste 50 mastery. should i just ignore it because its the "same" amount of stats?
sweet summit
Haste>anything if same ilvl
honest plinth
So if i had something that was for example 50 haste 50 vers but something else i...
dont sim stat weights mastery will be n1 haha
ionic fern
I mean, simming is for only one purpose and that's DPS.
urban quartz
exaclty so i dont trust Raidbots for Prot
undone sun
if you're solely going for defensive, but there's no point in that
urban quartz
lol
urban quartz
exaclty so i dont trust Raidbots for Prot
i should say, why would i trust raidbots for that if its just going to give me better dps
and take away some survivability
i should note that i am still learning this class
ionic fern
That's the purpose of raidbots..it's purely for DPS simming.
sweet summit
Survivability is like 95% play and 5% gear 👀
undone sun
there's always room for improvement, learning only slows down but never stops. If you're not dying you always want to push more damage
hallow phoenix
Next week we get another conduit slot right?
honest plinth
y
urban quartz
yes
upbeat wolf
Does anyone know if there is a macro that combines intervene/Charge?
honest plinth
Stalwart Guardian is going straight in!
why so
hallow phoenix
There are tons
urban quartz
Because i only have 2 Endurance ones and Unnerving Focus is the other one 😂
honest plinth
you should get Brutal Vitality from wqs at least 😄
hallow phoenix
/use [@mouseover,help,nodead][help] Intervene; [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Charge
Here's one
urban quartz
I've been looking ot for it but i am unlucky QQ
upbeat wolf
thansk @hallow phoenix
hallow phoenix
Fixed a colon to a semicolon @upbeat wolf
fallow mortar
Because i only have 2 Endurance ones and Unnerving Focus is the other one 😂
Why wouldn't you take unnerving focus?
hallow phoenix
You could also do something like
/use [mod:shift,@targettarget][@mouseover,help,nodead][help] Intervene; [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Charge
sweet summit
He did take it gtka
hallow phoenix
Which will intercept your targets target when you hold shift
upbeat wolf
whmm
hallow phoenix
Useful for quickly intercepting hits on your party members
upbeat wolf
@hallow phoenix Sweet thanks. I was really just hoping for a macro that would use charge when i target a baddy and intervene when i target a baddy
keep it simple
hallow phoenix
The first one does that with mouseover functionality. If you don't want that then remove each [@mouseover,...,nodead] bracket
upbeat wolf
^ truth.
urban quartz
lol
upbeat wolf
beeauty
[help,nodead][help] Intervene: [harm,nodead][] Charge
does that look right?
ionic fern
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
hallow phoenix
/use [help] Intervene; Charge
upbeat wolf
great thanks!
hallow phoenix
Mwahi harm incorporates the 'exists' tag already
ionic fern
Probably, i
hallow phoenix
And target=target is the default
upbeat wolf
@hallow phoenix @ionic fern Appreciate it.
ionic fern
I've had this since forever
upbeat wolf
Cheers
ever since they separate charge/iuntervene ive been trying to use 2 buttons and im like, fuck this.
lol
crash time - night. Thanks again.
hallow phoenix
When it was just intercept I made two macros to behave like charge and intervene, on two different bindings
Never liked the change to one spell, glad they're back to charge and intervene
/use !Heroic Leap
and
/use [@cursor] Heroic Leap
are also game changers
jade axle
Cant find a single log for Shadowlands with a Prot warr 
honest plinth
we are sneaky
jade axle
Found plenty without a single warr in though wtf
manic kernel
I made a personal choice to get NF as a convenant for my prot war, will I regret not getting kyrian?
astral crystal
game is extremely degen right now concerning comps
sweet summit
nah NF is very solid
jade axle
Yeah I found 4 (learned how to filter instead of being an eediot)
hallow phoenix
I went NF Giza Atti Solid Marley and I don't foresee any problems compared to kyrian
Errr
Atti
hallow phoenix
Sorry I'm drunk and passing out
Keep misreading names
Solid Marley, there were go
manic kernel
Solid Marley, there were go
Yes, i will go
surreal stump
mental scarab
@manic kernel only thing you missed with not being kyrian is the extra kiting with spear 👻
mental scarab
Aye they have that
hallow phoenix
Feet has more armor. The raid has haste vers gloves and haste crit boots that are noteworthy.
jade axle
Can you have multiple legendary effects equipped? I feel like I've seen two
hallow phoenix
Decide which stats you want and go from there
jade axle
Maybe whoever i saw on logs swapped them in and out
I was looking at all encounters I guess
hallow phoenix
That's a perfectly fine line of thinking
I went boots so I can better dadstomp mobs when I tclap
smoky wave
Going boots too, cos it'll be easier to swap out for leaper boots.
smoky wave
I'm not pushing keys or anything so gotta decide if I'll get leaper of off spec Lego second. T2 can wait. I want mah jumps
hallow phoenix
Even in m+ vers is desirable
It's crit >= vers
I went the more stats > better stats and since boots have ever so slightly more armor I chose that
The precursor armor piece and two missives to decide the stats
Should run like 1200g total
That's what I did
It's called shadowghast sabatons or something. You can find the armor piece on the AHb under runecarving
hallow phoenix
Get the 190
west yew
you cant craft tier 4 until like 2ish weeks from now
i would get 190 or the tier 2 and craft next week
hallow phoenix
I raid as dps so I'll have to get two leggos and try to keep them both at a reasonable level until I can max both
:(
Waiting for mythic week before I buy a dps one
honest plinth
sweet summit
if you have rank 1 and want to get rank 2, you need 750 soul ash and the rank 2 base item
i think they'll lower
hallow phoenix
They'll get lower once more people start leveling their crafting to get the new ranks
And flood the market
sweet summit
use bolster if you feel like you need the extra shield block uptime
use anger management if you wanna slap some dps
devastator or not doesnt change that
atomic monolith
Or heavy repercussion?
atomic monolith
I feel like devastator needs to proc more
hushed vessel
If your haste is low devestator can feel quite bad.
hallow phoenix
My SS resets all the time
Gets anmoying when I'm trying to big pumper revenge tclap spam
atomic monolith
Sometimes I go 13+seconds without a proc
hallow phoenix
Rng is rng. It's still the best talent in that row
hushed vessel
What's your haste at? @atomic monolith I'm at 20% and Devestator feels great. I barely have downtime
sweet summit
wth
hallow phoenix
I'm at like 13 :(
sweet summit
same :/
hushed vessel
i have 650 haste rating
hallow phoenix
20% crit though so that's something
hushed vessel
Well Rng ain't your friend then i guess
sweet summit
or youre overspending on IP thus using revenge less and getting a lot less procs
atomic monolith
That is my character
What would you change?
Besides gear
I feel like I should have more versa or mastery
sweet summit
id always take storm bolt but DT is fine
sweet summit
so do i, trust me
atomic monolith
Anyone have a weak aura that shows the shield block uptime separated from it's cd?
Mine shows the CD and uptime inn the same place
sweet summit
there is one in #268491842637660160
honest plinth
Anyone have a weak aura that shows the shield block uptime separated from it's c...
can share mine if you are EU and online
atomic monolith
I'll log in rn
Yes EU
But is it just for sb or tracks other warrior cd like avatar and ignore pain
atomic monolith
I like mine cause it's simple and only tracks 4 spells avatar ignore spear and shield
The only thing I don't like is the cd is In the same place as uptike
Can I alter that aura and not change the others?
honest plinth
pretty sure
atomic monolith
I'll send a print of my ui
strong forum
What would you change?
bruh why you running UF and Bolster
if you play Bolster, you 100% play Ravager
UF can only be played with AM, without it, its a HUGE dps loss
honest plinth
you better share your wa and ill change it 😄
atomic monolith
see the 4.2 its the CD and its in the same palce as the uptime
i know theres the charge number up there but
not a big fan of ravager but ill change now
spamming thuderclap feels really good loool
strong forum
id say the opposite
UF makes your rotation kindy sucky during avatar
making you miss out on revenge casts
honest plinth
tell me your ingame nick and server. so you will share was and il change it
atomic monolith
you better share your wa and ill change it 😄
how do i send you the link?
hempknight aggra(portugues)
which conduit guy should i use?
honest plinth
lol cant inv you 😄
atomic monolith
currently using the second onwe
ebon jasper
the spear one
chilly brook
Big feelsbadman
ebon jasper
oh. souldbind
chilly brook
Did sanguine depths
ebon jasper
Think pelagos is the only relevant one?
atomic monolith
sanguine is a pain with noob dps
chilly brook
Druid healer gets the caster trinket from the second boss, and then gets decanter from last boss
And kept the decanter
atomic monolith
lol cant inv you 😄
try whjisper me
and keep pressing alt and up arrow if it showds the bug
ebon jasper
could also copy the export WA text?
atomic monolith
it says its over 2k characters
sweet summit
or that, yah
atomic monolith
i would like CD on bottom
uptime on top
under the number of charges
but keep it simple like that
cinder roost
I made the mistake of trying BSC in HC, now I want a refund on my TGV craft and play SR
I pussied out on my meme build from beta 😦
strong forum
atleast you know that its a meme build
cinder roost
I don't know I'm trying to convince myself
strong forum
wdym youre trying to convince yourself
cinder roost
That it's only a meme build
strong forum
well.. you gain 0 defensive benefits
theres your quick answer
its a rage loss
a huge one at that
cinder roost
Play around CDs, melt pack, ez
I don't push m+ that high, I'm sure it's doable !
(ok I'm pushing it)
strong forum
offensively, with SR you gain + 40% (somewhat) dmg so you make the ~15%, making that ~21%, then add BSC, +20% again, making it ~24/25%
then you however have to account the loss of rage making you cast less revenges
and account the loss of +20% dmg from demo
strong forum
i mean sims are up
cinder roost
Yeah I didn't look yet
earnest lava
Ok so I give up, I've checked pins, guides, tooltips, Legos, conduits, talented...wtf does TGV stand for please?
cinder roost
I just don't like BV playstyle
strong forum
thundergods vigor
earnest lava
thundergods vigor
And that is what? The buff name from some obscure Lego?
strong forum
its the old legendary name
for the same effect
back from legion
the origin of Thunderlord
cinder roost
Also seems like a waste to not play UF with TGV but Rav is too good
strong forum
to make UF good you have to play AM, in actual content you dont play AM
but the synergy is there yes
cinder roost
Yeah but I don't push very high keys
earnest lava
Even worse than I thought
cinder roost
Just the required for max weekly (which I know will be hard at first)
ionic fern
Idk, Thunderlords is still good with Ravager. 🙂
strong forum
^
cinder roost
I know
ionic fern
If you were to swap away from Rav then you would preferably swap to ItF over UF. 👀
cinder roost
Is ItF best ST atm?
strong forum
ye
long heron
I like UF in Torghast. But Ravager is just preference since I enjoy its help with aggro and just large groups.
ionic fern
Deva/BV/ITF/AM currently for ST:
cinder roost
Are covenants included in sims?
strong forum
si
cinder roost
Where's Necro at 👀
still pagoda
atomic monolith
guys ive been running dungeons with a blood DK
that shit feels so good to tank
its boring but feels so good
i feel so in control
you know what i mean'
?
west yew
whoever told me to switch to ravager from UF at the end of last week
tysm
because that shit feels amazing
cinder roost
west yew
now im debating whether i should craft TGV or just wait till next week to make the wall
west yew
ill probably raid more than m+ but i still wanna do a little m+
just dunno if its worth it if i dont run uf
because im never running that shit again
strong forum
TGV is still great even without UF
west yew
ok bet
are we gonna have enough soul ash next week to craft a lvl 2 lego?
in addition to a lvl 1
strong forum
yes
cinder roost
No
strong forum
thats what i did
west yew
my guild will prolly only do a few heroic bosses
strong forum
its assumed that raid leggos are 100% droprate
dire jolt
Any thoughts on best overall soulbind for venthyr? Guides make them sound pretty even / situational
formal river
@dire jolt venthyr soulbinds are honestly more about preference. They arent going to make or break you
Just like covenants in general honestly but everyone thinks they are a world first parser so here we are.
dire jolt
Thanks, thats the sense ive been getting, makes sense
atomic monolith
ill be honest i like bastion
dire jolt
Guess i'll probably go whatever my dps soulbind isnt to have seperate trees
atomic monolith
if you're dps
formal river
I love the maldraxxus boys but banner is fkin boring
atomic monolith
passing the venthyr spell
is weird
that shit was so fun for me
execute over 80% HP and under 35%
formal river
It's fun even as prot. My opener always tops my group and everyone gets confused.
Then 79% happens and I get sad
atomic monolith
i like how i can control mobs with the spear
like those bomb mobs in de other side
they never do any dmg to anyone :p
formal river
But Kyrian are the annoying choir boys so who cares.
atomic monolith
haha
formal river
I say that as I'm a member of the metrosexual vampires but whatever.
atomic monolith
yeah i was gonna say something like that
but a little more extreme
:p
i like venthyr hability
malds mounts
night bae transmog
and the bsation map
that's where i stand with the covenants
open monolith
I wonder of we'll be able to waltz through layer 6 at 184ish ilvl
strong forum
id say so
formal river
Prot warrior seems top tier.
formal river
I always get perma shield wall
strong forum
every tank is top tier tbh
strong forum
i hate rage mote
strong forum
actually makes you squishier
ionic fern
Indom plz
formal river
Works for me. But I also condemn
ionic fern
It's np when fighting normal mobs but on bosses it can be a pain.
Since you can't reset VR
still pagoda
every tank is top tier tbh
I'm probably getting kicked because guild officers are seething about me going on with warri by now
ionic fern
Wait, really?
still pagoda
their own problem
strong forum
cringe
still pagoda
like, i don't understand how much someone's brain must be rotten to demand BDK for WR500
wtf
idiocy continues
formal river
Find a better guild imo
still pagoda
i literally wrote that this one officer is a blind metachaser and explained why
formal river
I had that problem in classic
still pagoda
Find a better guild imo
no vacant tank slots on EU-Draenor lul
already checked everything
formal river
Look on different servers. Theres no server community in retail anyway
pearl imp
guys I'm having hard time when i got to tank big pulls and the aoe taunt in on cd (night fae) hoow can i keep aggro while i still spam ignor pain, ecc?
formal river
There are only so many keys to press
Rotate your shockwaves with your night fae ability to keep shit together.
pearl imp
Ah ok so better use them o separate pulls
i always use night fae and then shockwave few seconds later
formal river
Helps so you have more control yeah
pearl imp
ok thank you
formal river
Stacking is kind of redundant with the knockdown
west yew
pop avatar every pull
formal river
Do you have a health bar addon that changes color when you are losing threat?
pearl imp
i use tidy plates
formal river
Dont know it
formal river
On each individual head, gotchas that's what most of them do
Mine turn orange when I'm losing threat and red when its gone
pearl imp
also this addon stack them so is very easy to keep tracking them
formal river
Another tactic is to consistently mark a skull on one target even if you dont know what the kill target should be
Msot DPS are apes and just hit whatever is closest
pearl imp
ahahahahaha
pearl imp
this is actually my alt and i did mythics in pug
formal river
Probably so they have longer to setup rotation
pearl imp
i was suffering a lot ahaha
formal river
My favorite DPS habit is to always switch to the target that is outside the DPS clump even though it's on me and hurts their dps
Happened in classic too
Think they are being heroes or something
HE MUST NOT SEE THIS ONE ITS DANGEROUS!
simple mural
To be fair when I'm running as DPS and letting a guildy try tanking, I'll grab mobs they miss and bring it to them. I'd rather take the hits instead of normal dpsers or healer since I feel I'm more use to dealing with the situation.
dense pivot
sure sometimes caster stands out, you can just interrupt it and bring it in
inner harbor
Can’t find it now, but is heart of Azeroth still the 1.5x threat modifier? What ilvl to replace a 133 HoA?
formal river
It got hotfixed
inner harbor
Ok cool, so just whenever I get an upgrade with higher secondaries.
atomic monolith
@honest plinth perfect! thank mate! need boost in any alt?
vocal peak
Hey guys, im new here 😄 u have any suggestions for talents? 😄
solar crown
Yes, pick good ones
Look at the guides in the pins, they are solid :)
Would suggest ravager-build
vocal peak
thx
slate shell
is there anywhere a BiS list of items from s1 from raids/m+/pvp ?
honest plinth
<@!510004255063801858> perfect! thank mate! need boost in any alt?
np ❤️
honest plinth
is there anywhere a BiS list of items from s1 from raids/m+/pvp ?
there is pre raid bis on icy veins
slate shell
thnx
honest plinth
Hey guys, im new here 😄 u have any suggestions for talents? 😄
3321231
leaden steeple
anyone have a macro that drops ravager on target?
honest plinth
you cant drop it on target
loud whale
You can’t have a target for reticle abilities unless it’s your feet
honest plinth
you can on cursor and on player
leaden steeple
can I drop it on myself?
loud whale
Yes
honest plinth
you can
leaden steeple
oh okay, any macros for that then?
loud whale
use @heavy mirage
strong forum
@heavy mirage/ @cursor both work
honest plinth
haha
strong forum
his issue
leaden steeple
#showtooltip /cast [@cursor] Ravager, would this work?
honest plinth
👿
honest plinth
#showtooltip /cast [@cursor] Ravager, would this work?
yes
loud whale
Yeah it should, if you can get used to @stoic erminesor vice @heavy mirage you will be better for it, much more useful
vocal peak
statprio?
leaden steeple
thanks lads
vocal peak
somehow im stacking vers <.< dont have something to change it to <.<
strong forum
it do be like that
honest plinth
well you will change it with new gear
strong forum
gearing is omega rng rn due to weekly lockout
should get better with raid and m+ release
loud whale
With the amount of stats we have right now it doesn’t matter a while lot anyways, plus str is so far ahead of secondaries
honest plinth
well haste is boss
loud whale
whole*
sweet summit
#showtooltip Ravager
inner harbor
Should I basically be pooling rage and allowing empty globals with devastator talent?
ionic fern
You don't need the name in "showtooltip" @sweet summit 👀
inner harbor
Feels slow but fresh 60, low haste
sweet summit
u dont? 
ionic fern
No-
honest plinth
ravager is not talented 😄
leaden steeple
I have no idea but it just spams the thing in chat when I press the button now
brain small
leaden steeple
ravager is not talented 😄
I have it talented
leaden steeple
got it thanks
honest plinth
before /cast
leaden steeple
was shouting ravager for few mins like a doofus
open monolith
bro you remind me of this hunter I met in TBC
had the world's worst shout macros for everything
"FEEL THE RAIN OF FIRE ARROWS" - volley
"YOU'LL FEEL BETTER NOW, ICE STALKER" - mend pet
hexed sage
honest plinth
rping
open monolith
@ player is a trap
hexed sage
Similar for Ravager
open monolith
You lose a lot of area for spear if you do @ player
hexed sage
You lose a lot of area for spear if you do @ player
How come?
open monolith
@ cursor along with a weak aura that puts an obvious circle around your cursor so you don't lose it in combat is chad
well, think about how spear works
it's a targeting circle, right?
you're never standing directly in the middle of enemy mobs
so your AOE circle is missing half the area of the enemies that it could hit
because it is directly on top of you
hexed sage
Understand
open monolith
I mean, it works, and it is simple
but @ cursor, imo, is superior. offers more control
just have to either A) never lose your cursor in combat or B) use a weak aura that highlights your cursor in combat like I do
honest plinth
im using cursor for spear. and player for ravager
open monolith
i feel like player for ravager is fine
especially since ravager will actually move with you
which I never knew it did, btw
honest plinth
yes
hexed sage
Wtf 😅
open monolith
yeah man. Throw down a ravager and then move all of your mobs
it will follow
it's not super fast
but it will come after you
hexed sage
Nice, thanks for this 😁
open monolith
idk when it started doing that, maybe it was always, but it made me really happy when I saw it happen the first time
loud whale
It’s not smart though, it just follows the closest thing
honest plinth
open monolith
So I play a prot warrior and SV hunter.
according to the larger wow community, I am shit and a meme.
They're all wrong, but
atomic monolith
is fueled by violance any good?
atomic monolith
show of force?
open monolith
I think for endurance conduits we want the shield wall CDR
atomic monolith
what do u use to tank?
atomic monolith
conduits
strong forum
spear
open monolith
well with what we currently have unlocked, the potency conduit that makes spear of bastion hit harder
and generate more rage
because that conduit is absolutely nutso busted
as are most of the covenant ability enhancers
Looking at you, Kyrian Paladins
loud whale
Yeah chance for 3x cast of shield on main target lol
open monolith
watching 5 shields go out and ricochet around is bonkers
but spear still gets my jimmies all rustled in the right way, so all good
Fueled by violence would be awesome if the % that it heals were significantly higher
like... 100% 😄
loud whale
I haven’t been able to test any of the endurance conduits out because I don’t have a slot unlocked but they all seem to math pretty meh, I think the ignore pain one maths the best but if you can’t deal damage before it falls off then it’s super bad
open monolith
now that you mention it, I believe you are right about ignore pain ending up being the best one
if we can do enough damage, we could use MOAR REVENGE
still pagoda
according to the larger wow community, I am shit and a meme.
who the fuck cares
even though i'm in a state of wanting to just scold guild's officers for being such metachasing cunts
open monolith
lol I don't, I was just goofin
Yeah your situation sucks
I've been pugging everything since Legion, and it's actually made me a lot happier
it is harder to get consistently good groups, but not having to deal with the stress of BS metachasing guilds is nice
strong forum
i would say the complete opposite
open monolith
I have pugged +15s within the first 2 weeks of a season every time since Legion
it's not that bad
If you are in a good guild and have the time to dedicate to it, that is obviously the better choice
problem is i dont have the time, and I don't like the pressure of letting people down
my situation is very different from most, so the whole "I like pugging better" thing is just a me thing
strong forum
i have no pressure of letting people down in guild groups
i have pressure of letting people down in pugs
strong forum
cuz pugs are 10000x more assholes
open monolith
OH NO MY WIFE HAS TO STAY OVER LATE AND MY BABY IS SHITTING ALL OVER THE WALLS
bam, I just let down the whole raid
ya know
?
open monolith
I would love a consistent M+ group
formal river
To be fair, pugs have been fantastic so far this expansion
open monolith
Raids? meh, I'll just pug normal and heroic like always
formal river
Everyone has been pretty chill
strong forum
well cuz it aint m+
open monolith
The only thing about Pugs so far this expac that i've noticed is about 75% of the DPS players are complete and total garbage numbers-wise. They do the mechanics and are friendly, but holy crap is the damage bad lol. like worse than I've experienced in previous expacs
M+ will be the great filter
formal river
The vast majority of players arent on forums like these
Mythic plus screens them out
open monolith
Correct. Something to always remind each other and ourselves: discord and reddit are both echo chambers.
atomic monolith
anyone know the chance of proc on hymnal of the path vs queensguard vigil'
still pagoda
Mythic plus screens them out
yet M+ pugs are the worst garbage i've had to deal with
atomic monolith
?
still pagoda
literally
formal river
I had a hunter literally die on every TOP boss fight last night
mint cypress
can someone help me to make a macro that cast ravager and spear of bastion on my cursor ?
still pagoda
can someone help me to make a macro that cast ravager and spear of bastion on my...
add [@stoic erminesor] between /cast and Ravager
sry bro. Didn't intend to ping
sweet summit
#showtooltip
/cast [@stoic erminesor] Ravager
#showtooltip
/cast [@stoic erminesor] Spear of Bastion
sour sluice
the hardest boss in ToP is the tornados that knock you off
mint cypress
#showtooltip
/cast [@stoic erminesor] Spear of Bastion
/cast [@stoic erminesor] ravager
i cused this but it just cast spear of bastion
open monolith
You know what really put things into perspective for me this year? My group of friends recruited a new guy who has never played a game on PC since... Doom. Original Doom. So he has absolutely 0 muscle memory for using a M+KB, struggles with remembering his keybinds, has tons of downtime between GCDs, etc. He's a great dude, but he is just so new that he has no idea what he is doing.
Playing with him has made me MUCH more patient with "bad players" in my pugs.
fluid moon
Prot is not bad at all
open monolith
We know.
plucky jacinth
All the tanks seem good, good balance.
formal river
I'm a fan. Its higher skillcap than other tanks imo
plucky jacinth
Unlike our dps brothers...
formal river
We have lots of tools
open monolith
I mean, the DPS has obvious outliers just like tanks do, but I don't think any of the DPS classes are "bad"
atomic monolith
anyone know the chance of proc on hymnal of the path vs queensguard vigil?
open gazelle
I miss ravaged giving parry
dense pivot
warriors are reee pls buff
strong forum
formal river
My alt is a dk. I feel strong
loud whale
@mint cypress you can’t have 2 gcds in a macro
formal river
Frost that is
open monolith
you just press the button twice
#showtooltip Flare
/castsequence [@stoic erminesor] reset=5 tar trap, flare
^ that is my 2 gcd macro for the hunter legendary that sets tar trap on fire
mint cypress
really so how to use one key and cast both even if i should repeat a key two time
sick sentinel
sry
mint cypress
ravager and spear of bastion
strong forum
just get 2 binds
loud whale
Just bind them separately
open monolith
#showtooltip Ravager
/castsequence [@ cursor] reset=5 ravager, spear of bastion
There ya go
remove the space after the @
strong forum
only CDs that are off gcd maybe
mint cypress
tnx
open monolith
it will cast it where your mouse cursor is
so you don't have to click
if you don't want it to auto cast at your cursor, removeo the @ cursor part
loud whale
Castsequence doesn’t have a practical use unless you have static abilities on same cd that are always cast in a certain order, unless you fit that unicorn criteria it will always be less than optimal
open monolith
^ correct
literally the only thing I can think of that it is good for is the tar trap flare legendary for hunters
but the dude asked for it, so there it is
mint cypress
its faster to use one key i think so i look to use a macro to cast both with one key
open monolith
Well, the problem, Senpai, is now you ALWAYS cast them in that order
what if you only wanted to use one or the other?
loud whale
You can’t do that though without castsequence and castsequence will fuck you up
open monolith
Spear of Bastion is 1 on my hotbar for me
Ravager is currently unbound since I'm a god tier gamer who uses UF
sweet surge
Boys, does the Fiery Brand VDH talent spread only the damage or also the damage reduction too?
open monolith
Sounds like something you should ask in the VDH discord
civic rover
wrong discord
strong forum
Boys, does the Fiery Brand VDH talent spread only the damage or also the damage ...
only damage reduction, no damage
sweet surge
I know many of oyu play alt tanks is why I asked here 🙂
I main pwarr, but got a VDH alt so asked
open monolith
yo wtf, someone soloed mythic theater of pain? lol
strong forum
same
sweet surge
only damage reduction, no damage
ty 🙂
open monolith
we are?
strong forum
yes
mint cypress
it s better to use them together cuase my bastion soul bind give me mstry and its incrise my dmg so when i cast spear is best time to cast ravager
strong forum
with 180ish you should be able to do +10s
open monolith
man it's been too long since I've played. I am all off with the scaling
I haven't played since shortly after 8.1
strong forum
Nonetheless, it's a good feat to do that
open monolith
idk who this rextroy dude is, but that's pretty cool
strong forum
He always does stuff like this
Soloing raid bosses
Oneshotting people with extreme buffs
Abusing game mechanics
That's his shtick
still pagoda
^
open monolith
blizzard must hate him 😮
strong forum
Eh
He usually only published his videos after the bugs he abused are fixed
I'd also like to believe he's the reason why pvp scaling is gone
Cuz he made so many fucking memes with it, highlighting how stupid of a system it was
And how broken it was
A level 20 killing 120s cuz of pvp scaling... Very cool
still pagoda
A level 20 killing 120s cuz of pvp scaling... Very cool
that was highlighted during Legion beta tho
long before rextroy made a video on it
strong forum
you mean bfa beta