I put it on my hands also. 🤷
#protection
lusty grotto
it dropped week 1 for me
astral crystal
i put it on boots because you know
lusty grotto
fml i have 3 meetings back to back today
astral crystal
tunderclop
orchid basalt
i thought stat budget for hands / feet was the same?
astral crystal
never forget
astral crystal
i thought stat budget for hands / feet was the same?
it is
ionic fern
It's like a whopping 11 armor difference or something?
astral crystal
boots have slightly worse itemization in raid
lusty grotto
what a meta breaker
signal plover
Literal trend settah
orchid basalt
Ah yeah, I see haste + mastery gloves, but no boots with haste
ember inlet
Inb4 you get crit mastery 
primal crypt
Wow
pulsar garnet
Where does hakkar drop
pulsar garnet
Ty
ember inlet
Sowwy :(
primal crypt
lusty grotto
wtb
pulsar garnet
Yea i see i see
ember inlet
I got that armour trinket
primal crypt
lusty grotto
traitor
lusty grotto
can your monk give the trinket to me
lusty grotto
my guild fell apart
but im gonna do it on my rogue's guild
i cant wait to clear once or twice and never log into classic again on that toon
then do it on my warrior when i guild hop and uninstall classic until maybe (but probably not) TBC
fiery gust
whats the talent setup for mythics?
lusty grotto
you shitters better not screen cap that cause i really dont want to keep doing this rerelease shit
fiery gust
yea normally look there but sometimes other stuff is viable
or differnet from people learning it
primal crypt
Yup
ionic fern
You can also run AM/Ravager for now. 🙂
primal crypt
I believe most of us are going around using ravager/bolster
Or am ravager mwahi says :)
But damn I hate choosing
I hate blizz for moving bolster
ionic fern
Honestly you can default into BV/Rav/Bolster for m+ and just roll with that throughout all levels.
ItF is a surprisingly good option as well tbh, especially offensively.
winter loom
in terms of tankyness - how good are we right now? Im currently playing pala tank and it feels damn smooth, but i miss my war main
ionic fern
Beefy af.
We do have a bit lower SB uptime currently due to haste
But other than that it's fine.
orchid basalt
hmm, I'm currently running UF, guess I'll give ravager a shot
winter loom
great
lusty grotto
🤷♂️
signal plover
Oof tier list
winter loom
Well, prot pala is so damn supporty and i fucking love divine toll
but im a war at heart
ionic fern
Their damage is utterly broken right now tho. 👀
winter loom
yea
fiery gust
but ive been a warrior main for 8 years
signal plover
Dat bat comin
winter loom
ye
ionic fern
100%
winter loom
also, how does torghast feel as prot?
wheat oak
I have a few questions about conduits as Bastion. First, (and I can't seem to find an answer to this on wowhead) is there a way to upgrade the Piercing Verdict conduit? I only have the 145. Next, if you can't upgrade it, would you ditch it for the 171 show of force conduit?
signal plover
Torghast is slams for days
signal plover
WQ has the blue rank on EU earlier
Not sure when up for NA (am NA, haven't seen)
For verdict I mean
wheat oak
Thank you Mwahi. I must be a touch disabled.
wheat oak
World Bosses....
It says it drops from World Bosses....
Yay..... Those start next week, right?
leaden steeple
is there actually any reason to do anything in the maw?
lusty grotto
either way the upgrade is kinda minimal, so you wouldn't be losing much without it for the time being
yes
you need stygia and rep
for torghast permanent upgrades
lavish oracle
Hm, that only drops ilvl 200, is that where verdict is gonna cap out for this patch?
leaden steeple
for torghast permanent upgrades
oh yeah forgot these existed
signal plover
Verdict is very strong even at base
lusty grotto
either way its not like you need the permanent upgrades at the moment so yeah
signal plover
Also sockets from max rep in maw at 7k styg a pop
signal plover
And a possibility for a mount drop at whatever the equivalent of revered is I think
lusty grotto
so you should be doing maw daily
lavish oracle
Yeah, I'm sure its not gonna matter, it's just gonna bug me if it's behind 30 ilvls every patch, haha
signal plover
B for best ;)
primal crypt
Kek
lusty grotto
remember BFA s1
signal plover
A is only awesome
lavish oracle
S is for sux
signal plover
S is sucks
lavish oracle
nailed it
primal crypt
Lmao
lusty grotto
facts
signal plover
Kekeke
primal crypt
This tier list is on point
acoustic stratus
is beating abomination core any good of a trinket?
mortal mountain
anyone else simming mastery ass their highest stat?
fiery gust
the aoe cap for thunderclap is so bad :/
sweet summit
revenge 📈
thunderclap 📉
fiery gust
so just use revenge when i got spare rage isi?
lusty grotto
whats i s i
wispy tundra
No clue
ionic fern
anyone else simming mastery ass their highest stat?
Considering you would have like...sub 10% mastery that wouldn't be too far fetched.
uneven mason
*remember BFA s1*
I remember making the DPS cry
mortal mountain
30%
fiery gust
is it*
ionic fern
Oh, LOL i was on my druid when checking the mastery
uneven mason
mmm Zul
That would be afight I'd try and forget but add damage is worth remembering how cringe that bleed could be
Also doing M+ and doing 60% of the groups damage
lusty grotto
true
im just saying we're always boned on ranking lists at the start
but we know we're the best
;D
uneven mason
mhmm Prot was big sleeper even before the buff in 8.1
just too big brain for people to play
lavish oracle
We scale incredibly well with gear, too
still pagoda
mhmm Prot was big sleeper even before the buff in 8.1
it is a sleeper again
lavish oracle
just wait until Blizz accidentally buffs us again
lavish oracle
I actually think they're gonna be cautious about buffing prot again
Blizz is probably smarter than that
uneven mason
because of the fact that for a while we were unkillable and could do more damage than an entire raid of feral druids?
still pagoda
2 officers in our guild just go into constant meta arguments about me going on with warri as main
still pagoda
because of the fact that for a while we were unkillable and could do more damage...
feral was good
don't lie
lavish oracle
I mean, are you a top 100 guild?
uneven mason
Didn't change the fact we could do more damage than a bag of kittens
still pagoda
no. And i know it doesn't matter up to WR10
lavish oracle
'cause otherwise meta literally doesn't matter
still pagoda
exactly
i know
even for WR10-100
if people go into argues about your choice, don't give a fuck
lavish oracle
eh, it matters less for them between 10-100 but it's still impactful
simple mural
IF they want to pay my sub they can have a say~
still pagoda
eh, it matters less for them between 10-100 but it's still impactful
not mandatory
lavish oracle
Sure, but you can't like literally run 14 ret pallies or whatever 😄
old dagger
can a legendary for another spec drop despite having a loot spec picked?
jolly spindle
why does condemn cost rage on prot
jolly spindle
is this a bug
still pagoda
they are on their own loot table
still pagoda
why does condemn cost rage on prot
design intent at blizzard
jolly spindle
@old dagger yeah i just got a fury legendary
jolly spindle
im 100% its a bug tho
old dagger
they are on their own loot table
ah okay, and if that happens, you can still have the one you want drop right? Or are we limited to one in our bag
still pagoda
you casn
old dagger
<@!238441117299769348> yeah i just got a fury legendary
reroll? 😛
jolly spindle
i dont play prot i just wanted to try it in a heroic
sweet summit
its not a bug mate
marsh shale
just dropped a 190ilvl dagger, is it even worth it on prot ?
sweet summit
nope
jolly spindle
and a guy literally told me 1st dungeon
ebon jasper
you dont use daggers
ionic fern
It's costed rage since alpha iirc @jolly spindle .
jolly spindle
prot wararior is shit xd
still pagoda
there is no way there would be a bag limitation for legendaries
sweet summit
well thats not true
jolly spindle
still pagoda
prot is good
jolly spindle
ur all randoms 
marsh shale
lol ok, then im going to sell it on the AH
still pagoda
don't trust anyone
sweet summit
orange man is not random 
old dagger
you've just said something really stupid
just asking, not too familiar with this game yet
ebon jasper
@marsh shale daggers doesnt count as a melee weapon for warriors so you cant use all skills with it
still pagoda
just asking, not too familiar with this game yet
heh, i would have searched in your place.
- it would say that you have bag limit on legendaries
which is not true
ionic fern
Anyone busy leveling a horde tank on EU? I'm doing my dudu but queing with randoms in a dungeon is a pain. 😦
sweet summit
yes i can 😂
sweet summit
pick one
ionic fern
sweet summit
gotta do intro quest tho :/
still pagoda
ionic fern
No u
deep steppe
ionic fern
Idk what you want to level. 😂
honest plinth
sweet summit
imean i wanna play em all eventually :/
astral crystal
lol ok, then im going to sell it on the AH
Bro that display pic
formal river
Dk cause necro DK is awesome
signal plover
Man that was a rough read to catch up
marsh shale
Thanks for the help
misty tartan
tempted to craft Thunderlord. Should I?
honest plinth
i dont think you need it rn anyway
ionic fern
I crafted mine. 😦
still pagoda
marsh shale
@astral crystal just changed it
still pagoda
imma wait
ionic fern
👍
still pagoda
despite leggo being out of the question of nerfs...
ionic fern
I mean...our highest simming legendaries will probably end up being the generic ones for ST. 👀
astral crystal
<@!202574933979561986> just changed it
lol
still pagoda
I mean...our highest simming legendaries will probably end up being the generic ...
but that is already into the end of this tier
when you will be able to pad
misty tartan
not too bothered about raid performance anyway, I mostly do m+
honest plinth
according to simcraft i should pick ItF
signal plover
Damaj
dense flame
Are there any routes available currently to preview? Outside tank notes as a resource.
strong forum
Damooj, damgur, damej
Not that I know off
I just have brain power from watching beta m+
lavish oracle
There are beta vods
dense flame
sounds good man.
fallow mortar
Just pull the whole dungeon like @strong forum does
dense flame
Also saw some discussion of keeping ravager with booming voice. What would be your go to if different than what is suggested on wowhead.
fallow mortar
BV and Ravager is great dps though and don't fuck up rotations o.O
ebon jasper
This makes it sound like there's some correlation between ravager and BV that isnt arbitrary
still pagoda
Also saw some discussion of keeping ravager with booming voice. What would be yo...
this is totally normal
BV is just a go-to talent anyway
and ravager just adds a lot of damage
strong forum
This makes it sound like there's some correlation between ravager and BV that is...
Well, same CD
ebon jasper
Just sorta sounded as if the ravager was the odd one out in bloodguilts comment there
uneven mason
I Kinda feel like our talent tree is the complete reverse it was in BFA
ebon jasper
they did throw things about quite a bit
uneven mason
"everything kinda has a use, go ham"
ebon jasper
the third level 45 talent
jolly spindle
ahh alright
inland mesa
And the prot paladin nerf happens
inland mesa
Give warrior mystic touch so I don't have to monk :(
honest plinth
what do you mean by again
formal river
Ravager is my new favorite thing.
honest plinth
we are cool
still pagoda
i just want warrior to be kool again
it's cool already. Prot warri actually feels good once you get 20%+ haste and more gear
and it is still the king of physical mitigation
sweet summit
you dont need 20% haste for it to feel good
formal river
I'm liking it and I'm only 14ish
still pagoda
got my haste and it feels much smoother now
formal river
But like 25 crit
still pagoda
while retaining the highest ilvl i could get
formal river
Lol
inland mesa
All my gear dropped crit mastery I'm like 184.2 with 9% haste :'(
inland mesa
Apparently wtf
still pagoda
don't mind the deck, switched to voracity by now
inland mesa
Why do they insist that the first tier of each expansion have double on use trinkets >.>
still pagoda
not yet
it depends
prot warri can go with 1 on-use DPS trinket or Scale/Vintage
and get phial or decanter
inland mesa
Yeah I just didnt get any of those
autumn jolt
What is the best weapon enchant for prot right now? Lightless force? The one that can increase healing received?
inland mesa
My monk is still rocking lps and urchin lol as nothing but scale comes close and a wq trinket
still pagoda
that is monk problems
autumn jolt
Ty
still pagoda
you can probably use the same DPS trinkets as other tanks though
as they are not stat-related
dunno whatever is going on on PoS about that
cosmic canyon
How good is Queensguard vigil?
still pagoda
like all WQ trinkets
Useless
you can use it probably if every other trinket you have is much lower ilvl
severe silo
indom deck sucks ? should I be playing voracity or something
sweet summit
ye indom deck bad
voracity decent
m+ trinkets will replace it
op to you if you wanna spend the gold
torn gulch
do we have trinkets in pins?
severe silo
meh, ill just wait no reason to change when im saved to everything
torn gulch
for prot warior
severe silo
is this any good ?
still pagoda
icy veins has a small lil section
you can also go off of BDK trinket section in wowhead guide
similar gauging except for the Spires haste trinket
dense pivot
mellow patio
did they finally poop on paladin
sweet summit
yes but not enough
still pagoda
solid ka-boom trinket
paper coral
sweet summit
delet paludin
mellow patio
it appears it has been slightly pooped on today
cosmic canyon
what changed to paladins today?
still pagoda
Punish the Guilty (Potency Conduit) Shield of the Righteous deals 50%15% more damage to targets affected by Judgment.
Rank changes:
15% 16.5% 18% 19.5% 21% 22.5% 24% 25.5% 27% 28.5% 30% 31.5% 33% 34.5% 36%
Slightly
that's one hell of a nerf to conduit
mellow patio
yeah i mean thats over a 50% nerf to that conduit
still pagoda
yeah i mean thats over a 50% nerf to that conduit
yup
sweet summit
MOAR
cosmic canyon
from 50 to 15?
sweet summit
ye
cosmic canyon
is that in the hotfix 3rd dec update?
paper coral
any idea how much that actually affects their damage? I mean, it leaves BRM as highest damage, which is just weird.
cosmic canyon
y
wispy tundra
RIP Pally
pearl imp
I'm new here after playing prot war i fee playing my main (prot paladin) is like driving a car with automatic trasmission
manic halo
Where is this info? Don't see it in dec 3 hotfix
manic halo
Ty
cosmic canyon
ty
pearl imp
ty
cosmic canyon
I'm actually happy about warriors place right now
I think we are better than what a lot of people think
and that will hopefully save us from the nerfhammer
pearl imp
isn't war supposed to be like 5th place on 6?
open gazelle
i dont know what trinkets to use.. is slimy organ any good?
cosmic canyon
according to what metrics Kirin?
it's just some random internet hero having a lot of followers opinion
pearl imp
idk i just watched few videos and everyone say the same
I actually trst u guys more i don't want to be disrepectful
cosmic canyon
yeah, cause actually having your own opinion will get you flamed
paper coral
I like warrior, but my boomer hands get carpal tunnel from all the skills. I may be too beta for it.
cosmic canyon
proof of that can be found in this channel 😉 ❤️
Just bind it all to mouse scroll kreiger np
sweet summit
we may be "almost last" but that doesnt mean anything since all tanks are in a great spot atm
formal river
Place means literally nothing to 99% of us
Tanks can tank anything besides worlds first races absolutely fine
All tanks that is.
So relax
pearl imp
I find it very fun to play so I'm even thinking of using it as my main
chilly brook
Y'all talking about RIP pally but they still gonna pipe lmao
formal river
They got the deeps
chilly brook
The conduit was just a bonus
acoustic stratus
i got thunderlords, is that the general consensus is to build this one or wait for the wall
ebon jasper
both, nyl
formal river
Wait until reset
limpid pawn
where's thunderlords from?
formal river
Just in case
ebon jasper
but wait if you wanna play safew
formal river
Imo
sweet summit
spires 3rd boss
ebon jasper
Wall for raiding, thunderlod for mythics
chilly brook
Literally no downside to waiting
still pagoda
i got thunderlords, is that the general consensus is to build this one or wait f...
a better idea is to wait until mythic week and then craft. Not that our legendaries are in a spot to get nerfed, but still. A good precautionary measure
You can go either wall or TGV first. Depends more on what you want early on
TGV has much more value in M+
while The Wall provides a good general purpose power gain
honest plinth
boots haste vers
still pagoda
i have good feet so thinking about hands.
_
Ignoring what your alternative items are for each slot, here's a rule of thumb for legendary crafting slot selection:
Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders
= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak
This is generally going to be the most bang for your buck out of the extra ilvl, with some variance on the relative value of jewelry depending on what you are optimizing for._
courtesy of DK discord's blood DK chat section
formal river
Leveling my blood DK atm. Looks like I'm double vampire boy
still pagoda
venthyr for BDK is actually great
mellow patio
Y'all talking about RIP pally but they still gonna pipe lmao
the damage isnt done yet. MORE
still pagoda
universal choice that excels in M+
oblique garnet
the damage isnt done yet. MORE
Yeah lets just nerf paladin and let vengeance go free i agree 🙂
mellow patio
of course I wouldnt want anything bad to happen to veng i play it
i never said i wasnt biased
still pagoda
Yeah lets just nerf paladin and let vengeance go free i agree 🙂
nerf both... OR bring all tanks to that level
🙃
oblique garnet
no
still pagoda
🙃
oblique garnet
Veng dh is only strong damagewise on aoe
in st its balanced
prot is broken on all aspects of the game
chilly brook
Tbh just buff everyone
formal river
I disagree. Lol
formal river
Prot ain't broken
still pagoda
as dungeons really look like they were designed around not having target caps
still pagoda
Prot ain't broken
prot paladin
formal river
Oh
still pagoda
warri is fair and balanced
formal river
Carry on
still pagoda
and also doesn't tolerate any mistakes no tank tolerates mistakes
oblique garnet
wdym on vengeance you dont have to start playing until your cheat death is on cd
mellow patio
:^)
formal river
Damn right
young oasis
Guys, I got Grim Codex, Blood-Spattered Scale and Decanter of Anima. All are 184. Which one would you use?
formal river
Who cares about 90% of the instance
still pagoda
pull big and afk just to get it on cd
even better. Don't talent into cheat death
formal river
I'm raping patchwork
mellow patio
yeah youre throwing if you dont talent into cheat death lmao
still pagoda
Guys, I got Grim Codex, Blood-Spattered Scale and Decanter of Anima. All are 184...
decanter and blood-splattered
grim codex is also good
acoustic stratus
whats your guys opinion on AM vs Bolster? Im running bolster right now because I think the constant block and rage gain is valuable
acoustic stratus
I went into spires mythic with AM and felt like paper
lavish oracle
Then play bolster
steel mauve
i felt fine in almost all of spire at like 145 or some thing, =except for the one pack where there were like 6 mobs or some thing
using AM
acoustic stratus
do you guys go right or left in spires
mellow patio
before third boss?
acoustic stratus
yea
ebon jasper
I always go right
mellow patio
if you go around the right edge you can fight a pack of like 5 non elites
ebon jasper
because I'm never left- I mean wrong-
acoustic stratus
then you deal with 2 of those big guys
steel mauve
i thinkm we went left but i dont remember, ive only done it once
lavish oracle
I shroud to 3rd boss, not sure what m+ forces count will be like there, though
Oh, right or left platforms
I have tried both, I think I prefer right but we'll see when mob mechanics actually matter
chilly lodge
timber nest
socket worth?
sonic garden
How would i put stat weighst for prot in pawn?
sonic garden
just use my own knowledge i assume?
sonic garden
Can you sim as prot?
still pagoda
🙃
still pagoda
Can you sim as prot?
DPS ofc
dull blaze
you can use Pawn just dont take the values for granted
dull blaze
i couldnt sim tank yesterday
sonic garden
same here
ionic fern
It got pushed today. 🙂
dull blaze
nice
sonic garden
you guy slike to smile
still pagoda
🙃 you could sim other tanks tho
ionic fern
We're happy people.
still pagoda
we are happy people
despite what pugs and 99% of WoW community says about prot warrior
ionic fern
But jeah, prot sims are working since..today.
still pagoda
🙃
warm warren
what cov are prot warriors rocking for m+?
ionic fern
Kyrian/NF
warm warren
im guessing NF damage and kyrian has the nice 20% heal?
sonic garden
the spear is really nice with the tether too.
warm warren
agreed
ionic fern
You seen pug healers?
still pagoda
imma remove those nasty deceases
warm warren
lol
ionic fern
They do no DPS so you think they would be healing you
dull blaze
irrelevant in my opinion shares cd with healpot doesnt it?
ionic fern
But they don't heal either.
ionic fern
They just stand there...looking at you..menacingly.
still pagoda
irrelevant in my opinion shares cd with healpot doesnt it?
no. Healthstone, healing potions and phial have separate cooldowns
dull blaze
okay
ionic fern
👀
still pagoda
fuck
this
shit
Sloot, WTF
WR25 in ny'alotha
and you be acting all weird now
strong forum
he never liked prot warri
ionic fern
Maybe he's..testing?
strong forum
i hope so
still pagoda
Maybe he's..testing?
too late tbh
beta is over
no mouseover macros for ravager and spear
simple mural
@heavy mirage is where it's at!
still pagoda
ionic fern
Tbf, i also don't have macros for the tanks i rarely play.
strong forum
like i said, hes not a big pwar enthusiast
strong forum
he just barely keeps it up to speed
still pagoda
But oh well, i'm that one madman that makes macros for everything
strong forum
and isnt invested, also not an m+ player
like, hes a pure raid tank guy, just like sco
sturdy sable
Yeah its a diff breed of player that focuses solely on raid
Maybe being able to victory rush every 30s is key in his mind
still pagoda
civic rover
doesnt sco just get the first like 5 mythic clears then never logs again lol
strong forum
sco is raidlogger
inland mesa
And there goes HoA threat
WoWhead bringing you community info that gets nerfed 7 days a week
civic rover
i remember in legion he did quite a bit of keys
but there was also lots of incentive to do so
glass pine
I can’t remember. Stacked mawrat health rage regen thunderclap heal
visual gull
Which trinkets should i use?
inland mesa
Scale and phial imo, that the tank dmd?
subtle oak
what do you think of the alchemy stone as a trinket?
visual gull
Scale and phial imo, that the tank dmd?
yes, its the tank dmd
torpid granite
how often do you use ignore pain?
visual gull
shield block as much uptime as possible, then the rest rage on ignore pain
honest plinth
yes, its the tank dmd
dont use it
torpid granite
we dont?
visual gull
dont use it
oh okey thanks, just noticed that revenge applies the phial of putrefication dot. thats sick....
ionic fern
we dont?
We do, he was responding to someone else. 🙂
You prioritize keeping SB up vs blockable damage and then you can use Ignore Pain as a extra absorb to smoothen the damage intake.
novel hornet
Key word is blockable
torpid granite
which would be?
ionic fern
Which would be what? 👀
novel hornet
Auto attacks
ionic fern
And certain abilities as well.
You can check the reflectable/blockable sheet in #268491842637660160 Protection section
novel hornet
Nice, didn't notice that guide
Just been going by gut
Holy shit, had no idea you could reflect reaping scythe
novel hornet
How much of the attack is reflected?
Just the magic portion?
I tried just a SB and just an IP, and decided IP helps the most
Feels mostly magical, but havnt bothered checking combat log
ionic fern
ionic fern
Tbh i also "feel" like all of it gets reflected since i don't take damage when i SR it. Maybe it's cause Block too stronk so you don't notice the physical part.
😂
shut summit
i think it might reflect the whole thing tbh
ionic fern
👍
shut summit
undone sun
Phial of Putrefaction
limpid pawn
who drops that?
strong forum
doctor ickus
dense flame
hollow hill
Has anyone done any extensive testing with the Viscera of Coalesced Hatred trinket to see if it's any good? The wowhead guide says it's a little undertuned, so I'm wondering if I should even bother trying it out
grand drum
Anyone know K values yet?
strong forum
Base/open world: 2500
M0/M+: 2455.0
Castle Nathria LFR: 2500.0
Castle Nathria Normal: 2662.5
Castle Nathria Heroic: 2845.0
Castle Nathria Mythic: 3050.0
sick sentinel
what is a k value
strong forum
the hidden number that makes armor and block scale based on instance typing
to prevent infinite scaling/ physical immunity
clever bronze
Even without Thunderlord, do we take Booming Voice in AoE situations -- certain raid encounters but mainly M+? I just wanna make sure I have my talents setup right.
signal plover
RIP DR
clever bronze
I read on wowhead that DR is good for ST, so raids.
signal plover
F
clever bronze
Is that not accurate?
clever bronze
I'm updating my talent notes, then.
flint hornet
oh so its best to do the 190 or are people waiting?
strong forum
the smartest way to go about it is wait for mythic week to craft a legendary because there are very likely legendary buffs and nerfs coming on heroic / mythic week
so to avoid crafting "the wrong legendary" because it could get nerfed or another getting buffed insanely people are waiting, or only crafting 1 rank1 legendary right now and then wait
hallow phoenix
i might just not craft a single leggo
though thundergod's seems a safe choice
until mythic release*
maiden ravine
Wowhead tries to use their bully pulpit to amplify potential issues
I'm sure it's a more useful bug tracker than ptr
It's why I'm surprised legion scaling hasn't been fixed yet
surreal stump
i loved going to do wq invasions and have mobs who are 60 pop up and murder my level 15 rogue at the time lol
merry elbow
realistically, how bad would it be to get thunderlord on gloves instead of boots?
strong forum
0.1% bad
merry elbow
it's just recommended because boots non-leggo bis is worse than gloves I'm guessing?
merry elbow
okay. for whatever reason boots are 3x more expensive than gloves
merry elbow
makes sense
novel hornet
Makes sense that a stomp producing a damaging blast would be caused by magic boots
cinder pasture
Hey, if I wanna hulk smash the ground, why shouldn't I be able to ? 😛
open monolith
do we need inscription missives to upgrade a legendary?
strong forum
no clue
visual gull
it the spell reflection wa working for u guys?
simple mural
Hasn't been updated yet.
visual gull
Hasn't been updated yet.
oh ok ty
fringe marten
So is ITTF and Anger Management what people want to raid tank with; or is it Bolster instead of AM?
strong forum
depends on if you need the block or not
for parsing it will be the go-to
but for progress im not sure if AM will be the play
fringe marten
Of course; but Generally speaking are people wanting the combo of AM + The Wall ?
fringe marten
Yeah I'm not sure either; of course I love Bolster but if the wall + AM gets shield wall to a solidly quick CD it could be nice.
strong forum
well AM+Wall+maxrank conduit reduces it do ~55sec CD
fringe marten
Yeah.. the uptime of shield block is so low now compared to BFA that HR may honestly be pretty nice.
That's what I was expecting, a minute'ish
strong forum
well block uptime is still 60-70%
fringe marten
For 50% Dr for 8 seconds, on a min cooldown, that's quite powerful.
strong forum
really aint that low
fringe marten
Depends on your haste, and if you run bolster or not.
BFA we could maintain basically 100%
maiden ravine
I'm a pleb but bolster is what I run personally
strong forum
and with tank swapping you will have higher effective uptime
100% isnt needed outside of m+
and with being greedy of not chain using SB, you can get a couple more uptime on it aswell
fringe marten
Right; between 2 regular charges of block, the bolster window..and a tank swap But you're going to swap more often than every 2 mins so still not sure if I want to run bolster or AM when I get the wall.
potent anvil
Imagine needing 100% block uptime in m+ when you can 
strong forum
to mitigate damage, just roll backwards
hallow phoenix
soul shape away
potent anvil
I usually call for a dps to take a hit for me. Perfect mitigation
hallow phoenix
If you have an arms warrior they can intervene + die by the sword
which is completely fkn broken
fringe marten
They're too busy not moving in order to dps to be able to take a hit.
frigid blaze
Hey all. Picked up an Inscrutable Quantum Device (184) today. Worth a damn for us?
If not, I'm just going to trade it to my hunter friend who was in group
low swan
It has some cool stuff to it but it’s not that good for a tank
frigid blaze
Gotcha. I've got a 152 so I'm sure it's an upgrade, but I think I'm fine to just wait for one that's actually good for us
potent anvil
If anything its a huge stat on use. But imo, something more consistent is better as a tank.
strong forum
the 3min cd is just so bleh
maiden ravine
It's lots of haste for me
limpid pawn
heart of azeroth too OP
low swan
Yeah it has the mana thing you can give healers, health pot, tanking thing on it but 3 min cd and you might not get what you want is eh
potent anvil
I personally like the haste pvp trinket. Probably something better, but pretty solid uptime on str proc.
maiden ravine
Too bad warriors can't get the passive posion trinket haha
potent anvil
Yeah, I'd get one if I had gold. 😞
potent anvil
Yeah, I have 20k. I dont make gold outside of sales because I'm lazy. 😞
Otherwise I'd snag one
warm sigil
I made 500k in a few hours just farming elethium and nightshade on my druid
granite cloud
how much does elethium go for on your server
whole umbra
haste vers chest and shoulders? Am I missing them from the dungeons?
potent anvil
No reason to use it.
formal river
People seem genuinely happy this exp. I've been pugging all my 30's and there have been some absolutely terrible people with mechanics
But no one is shitting on anyone
Its pretty great
Just had a hunter die literally every bossfight and everyone was still coaching him
m0's*
lavish oracle
Yeah, trade and general seemed surprisingly chill yesterday on my server
Might have just been that the late night/early morning crowd is super chill, though
formal river
Maybe
narrow ivy
Nah, at least on WRA things are just chill any hour
lavish oracle
Yeah, I'm on WRA, our trade chat was def not chill in BFA, lol
formal river
I was not happy after an islands sessions
lucid dew
game seems good so far i missed the first week
lucid dew
ya just on lego
formal river
Nice
granite cloud
does anyone feel like its just a bit harder holding aggro than it used to be
lavish oracle
I haven't had any issues so far but it Doesn't seem like an uncommon complaint this xpac
formal river
On pull I've had a few issues. Mostly with DKs and warbreaker/bladestorming warriors, lol
narrow ivy
Shadowlands just is turning out to be really good so far
narrow ivy
If it's on CD I use Ancient Aftershock and can generally hold the mob
granite cloud
i just ran a dungeon where my taunt wasnt able to actually pull stragglers off my team
narrow ivy
god bless the Night Fae
lavish oracle
Shlands has definitely improved upon a lot of the iffy systems in the last 2 xpacs
lucid dew
im enjoying prot minus all the hate before launch
granite cloud
it just seems a little weird
granite cloud
i do like the aoe taunt now tho (idk if that was added this expansion or not i havent played a tank since draenor)
formal river
Just added back yeah
narrow ivy
It was just added
lucid dew
fury sucks ass though
granite cloud
well i like it
narrow ivy
I refuse to give up my Bolster talent though
granite cloud
4min cool down seems a tad long to me but thats a minor complaint
narrow ivy
yeah
lucid dew
are you guys crafting thunderlord or the wall
lavish oracle
Yeah, I haven't even had call to use it yet
narrow ivy
I use it against packs of leapy bois
lavish oracle
Only time I think I'll be pressing it on CD is skittish
narrow ivy
or that one mob pack in ToP, the arbalests who just walk out of my aftershocks
lavish oracle
I'm not convinced that thunderlord's is the de facto legendary in m+ but I'll have to play around with them
narrow ivy
leapy b o y e s
granite cloud
i hate those jumpers
narrow ivy
I'm angling for The Wall when raid comes out, the reduction to Shield Wall is 👀
formal river
I really want the revenge one to be good. Its hard not to go booming though
novel ruin
@sweet summit 
lucid dew
im a week behind on ash unfort
narrow ivy
Thunderlord is.... eh?
lavish oracle
Thunderlord's is pretty strong just because it generates so much extra rage
narrow ivy
it requires me to give up Into the Fray for maximum effectiveness
lucid dew
i wish i could equip both 😦
lavish oracle
But also I don't know that we actually need the extra rage, lol
narrow ivy
I've never been ragestarved
lavish oracle
I already feel like I have so much
narrow ivy
I use BV for an emergency Ignore Pain
lavish oracle
Like there's only so many globals I can use to dump rage
lavish oracle
Can't miss them SS procs
signal plover
kek this chat at late NA times i swear...
sturdy sable
Thunderlord's is pretty strong just because it generates so much extra rage
More rage is more dps if you dont need it for IPs
narrow ivy
well you should never be sitting at 100 rage ever but you also shouldn't be sitting at 0 either
I like to sit at ~50 and use as needed
narrow ivy
I don't even have Execute on my hotbar
sturdy sable
Oof
signal plover
oooof
lavish oracle
Yeah, that's a yikes
signal plover
wot kinda troll is dis
lavish oracle
Best rage dump option on ST too when it's available
sturdy sable
And you know do dps
signal plover
imagine not having an ability that reset SS on your action bar
sturdy sable
Like my favorite thing to do is save wall for sub 20% so I can machine gun them executes into the boss
Won't fly for harder content but boy is it fun in 0s
narrow ivy
I was about to say
sturdy sable
I mean
narrow ivy
is that really gonna work in raids/high keys?
sturdy sable
Itle fly in harder content if you pla n for it
Def will work in raids no questions asked
narrow ivy
I took up Prot when SL dropped cause I figured "new expac, lets try tanking" so I might just be an idiot
sturdy sable
You can get away with alot in raids
signal plover
i'd recommend just starting with the IV or wowhead guides
sturdy sable
You have a whole crew of people dedicated to keeping you alive
narrow ivy
I did the M0s just fine and did pretty strong DPS without Execute
sturdy sable
I'm meming a little
signal plover
"strong" DPS
narrow ivy
well of course "strong"
fallow mortar
what was your dps?
sturdy sable
But you should def put it on your bars and learn when you can use it
lavish oracle
And like in raid you're not always actively tanking the boss anyways
sturdy sable
Its a tool that should be used as often as you can
narrow ivy
I was usually 2nd or 3d in the party
fallow mortar
O.o
narrow ivy
1st on trash
fallow mortar
the fuck
sturdy sable
And like in raid you're not always actively tanking the boss anyways
Hell even if your actively tanking
narrow ivy
cause Ancient Aftershock is some good shit
signal plover
aight that's enough prot chat for an evening i think
lavish oracle
Bye
narrow ivy
yeah ok
sturdy sable
Just don't use it at the expense of defensiveness unless you know your gonna be safe without the block or IP you would have spent the rage on otherwise
narrow ivy
I gotta find a spot on the keyboard for it
sturdy sable
But if your going for them parses all bets are off and go nuts lol
narrow ivy
fuggin parses
lavish oracle
Also, Paw, you're literally the reason this chat sucks, you're super unhelpful
calm magnet
Greetings fellow warriors. So is prot not that good atm? Mained prot in bfa, was wondering how it is in sl early stages
narrow ivy
I havent had any issues and I've been playing like ass it seems
sturdy sable
If you like prot and enjoy playing it play it
Your choice in tank isn't whats gonna hold you back
granite cloud
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sturdy sable
👏
narrow ivy
it's obv your covenant that makes the real difference
sturdy sable
Naw
granite cloud
4TH RUN
sturdy sable
Its definitely how you play
granite cloud
4TH FUCKING RUN
calm magnet
Congrats sir
granite cloud
AHHHHHHHHHH
sturdy sable
Still havnt crafted it
surreal stump
wait is that base bars i see
narrow ivy
I'mma poop on Necrolords every chance (personal attacks excluded)
granite cloud
im a fitlthy casual yes
sturdy sable
But who else will bear the banners for us
lucid dew
is the wall going to be 100% drop?
narrow ivy
I hear that raid leggos will be 100% but I cant confirm
granite cloud
i guess now i should actually grind my blacksmithing to max :/
surreal stump
watching a raid of people hitting valfir for 2 dmg a hit lol
granite cloud
streamed?
surreal stump
no infront of me lol
granite cloud
oh god
fallow mortar
where do I go to look up where to get the next rank for my conduits? I have some that are not 184 and want to rank them up >.>
cloud onyx
How much did prot change from bfa? Is it still viable in 10-15 keys and heroic raid?
lavish oracle
@fallow mortar are you trying to get a higher rank of the covenant conduit?
lavish oracle
@cloud onyx it's changed quite a bit from it's bfa iteration it's still perfectly viable for heroic raid and 10-15 keys
fallow mortar
ty sir
granite cloud
@cloud onyx judging by how mythic keystones arent out yet i doubt anyone knows
civic rover
unless you're getting one shot by autos you can take anything to 15s
granite cloud
is there a guide on which legendary armor piece i should craft first? im having trouble finding it if there is
cloud onyx
True, yea thats a fair point. I'm having trouble deciding on my alt. Either vengeance dh or prot warrior
granite cloud
Well have u tried both
cloud onyx
Not tried warrior since bfa, leveling dh currently
I'll run some instances lvling warrior see how they feel
lavish oracle
Warrior feels better than DH to me, not like stronger, but I just mesh with the play style better
cloud onyx
Yea fair, I wanted to branch out. I'm maining prot pally now, tried blood wasnt a fan. I loved warr in bfa, was running 16s and 17s.
granite cloud
I've never enjoyed how dh feels but that's just me
maiden ravine
gloves would be a faster upgrade for me right now, but boots more long term investment
meh, I'll just do boots
primal saddle
DH just pops off in multitarget more than us rn
Like how prot paly is doing like 3.6k st DPS
And afaik we are still second in ST
Just 1k below them
cloud onyx
Yea venthyr prot pally is nuts
granite cloud
Our single target may be 2ne best but it still feels like a chore to do combat tbh in my experience
maiden ravine
I really wish I enjoyed torghast.
granite cloud
Id enjoy it if my dps was just a little bit better it just takes do long to take down a boss, maybe of I parties up with people idk
maiden ravine
It's tolerable on druid cause of stealth
but man, it's a drag on warrior
I guess I know why I never felt compelled to play any roguelike games ever
granite cloud
I actually like roguelikes
And torghast is still a chore
If I could kill enemies with any degree of speed it wouldn't be tho
maiden ravine
things die fast, it's still boring
rich path
so uh if im venthyr arms and wanna play prot also should i just...not play prot
maiden ravine
I condemn tank
surreal stump
im so tired of getting 184 conduits for fury lol
rich path
hmm
robust summit
Hi guys don’t flame me but here is a thought
Why would running necro on prot be bad?
maiden ravine
eh, you'll be able to do 15s and stuff, but it will be harder
robust summit
I just wish the buff was longer or the cd was shorter
wintry jetty
and stays on your back :p
wintry jetty
I mean, we have a spell to cary maldraxxus banner already, but this one has to be in the ground 😢
maiden ravine
wait, did we have a torghast wing this week without a legendary power for any spec?
fallow mortar
i certainly never got anything