protection

[sweet summit]

unless ive missed something

boots>=gloves

small advantage towards boots

[still pagoda]

_
Ignoring what your alternative items are for each slot, here's a rule of thumb for legendary crafting slot selection:

Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders

= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak

This is generally going to be the most bang for your buck out of the extra ilvl, with some variance on the relative value of jewelry depending on what you are optimizing for._

[novel temple]

@still pagoda no i meant for the conduits, like the 184 execute was the first thing i got, along with unhinged

[still pagoda]

shamelessly borrowing from DK discord

[wheat tundra]

Thanks

[alpine cave]

So, despite what Ive read other places. Crafting legend chest is ok?

[sweet summit]

what are you gonna craft?

[alpine cave]

I got thunderlord dropped yesterday. I mainly gonna do M+ with friends

[sweet summit]

yeah, you can only craft that on gloves or boots

its slot locked

[alpine cave]

ah fair enough

[sick sentinel]

I need an opinion. I know that thunderlords is best for m+ but wall should be solid until the higher keys yeah?

[alpine cave]

tyrannical bosses perhaps

[still pagoda]

thunderlord is craftable only on boots/gloves
The wall is craftable only on shoulders/back

[alpine cave]

going for boots.

[sick sentinel]

Im just wondering because if we can play around offensive cooldowns like a fire mage, the value of shield wall would go up I imagine.

[still pagoda]

Pssss... shoulders from stone legion are garbage so you know the trick if you're going to craft wall at some point

[still pagoda]

shield wall is not an offensive CD lul

[sick sentinel]

Playing like a fire mage (like you do a big pull with your cds and dps cds then pull small to medium in between)

[still pagoda]

you can live that pull normally anyway

[chilly brook]

Or

You just

[still pagoda]

play

correctly

[chilly brook]

Have more DS

[still pagoda]

:)

[chilly brook]

And more rage

Which means more defense

And more offense

[sick sentinel]

Thats true

[chilly brook]

Don't get me wrong

[steel mauve]

TGV is more offensive than the wall is

[chilly brook]

The Wall is nice with the extra rage from shield slam

[sick sentinel]

Karton I cant play correctly, I was still using UF until like last night

[still pagoda]

UF is not incorrect

[chilly brook]

But you get more mileage out of TGV in a dungeon by far

[still pagoda]

^

[sick sentinel]

I have bettet threat gen without it

[still pagoda]

no matter the talent build

[sick sentinel]

*better sorry

[chilly brook]

UF is actually clunky tbh

With how everything works now

[sick sentinel]

Yeah. I swapped it with ravag

[iron garnet]

wait, I should go for Ravager guys ?

[chilly brook]

Basically yes

[iron garnet]

ok thank you

[sick sentinel]

Ravaged is pretty solid this time around

[chilly brook]

Good damage, good CD, tons of rage

What more could one want

[sick sentinel]

Yep

[steel mauve]

the extra chance to parry 😉

[chilly brook]

But no reason to now that its ppm

😩

[sick sentinel]

I always wanted ravaged to be a legit competitive choice in that row, it just looks so cool and fits so well

[signal plover]

You've wanted to be ravaged?

https://c.tenor.com/JN5WPMgpQMkAAAAM/eyebrows-wink.gif

[honest plinth]

all talents are good in that row

[sick sentinel]

Damn, gotta pay more attention to my typos

[chilly brook]

Very debatable itf is basically dead tbh

[sweet summit]

its the best talent for ST dps :)

[honest plinth]

look at sims my man

[sweet summit]

so i would not call it dead

[uneven mason]

its just not head and shoudlers above the others

[chilly brook]

Stahp

Dats gross

[sweet summit]

fax doe

[viral slate]

so whats the best stats for thunderlord's legendary?

[uneven mason]

Its just that in the situations where it shines is the situations that you're unlikely to have an assured 5 stacks

[sweet summit]

haste vers

[uneven mason]

haste vs

[viral slate]

tyty ❤️

[sweet summit]

you get stacks from friendly players

so its very likely

[uneven mason]

LIke, ITF is fine ST - but thats raid boss tanking, and you might not always have all 5 stacks

so just

[honest plinth]

you will have 5

lol

[uneven mason]

10 yards?
Thats tiny area

[sweet summit]

even hunter pets iirc

[honest plinth]

idk i like itf but liked it more when it was 15% haha

[signal plover]

Yeah ITF is almost always full stacks in raid

[surreal jetty]

What covenant y’all running with prot? Is venthyr viable with it?

[chilly brook]

Viable sure

[strong forum]

I mean, friendlies and pets count towards it too, so you will kinda have 100% uptime on 5 stacks, but don't tell anybody

[chilly brook]

Great not really outside of pure single target

[primal crypt]

Is prot warrior viable in shadowlands

[strong forum]

Many time

[primal crypt]

Or is prot warr floorpov

[strong forum]

Not at all floorpov

[chilly brook]

Most people are running Kyrian with Night Fae being the runner up

[strong forum]

Only bad players will have floorpov

And naowh

[primal crypt]

I like how is no longer a meme

[strong forum]

Yeah it's goat now

[primal crypt]

50% party tho

:(

[strong forum]

35%

[primal crypt]

Unforch

[strong forum]

But I prefer my 60 rage on 45sec CD

Over lame parry

[primal crypt]

:)

But now I can't party with nim

Where is nim anyway

[strong forum]

Stuck in classic

I think

[primal crypt]

Gross

[strong forum]

Even tho he said he'll make a comeback

Wheres my chef @lusty grotto

[signal plover]

Ogod

[primal crypt]

Lmaoooo

[subtle oak]

what should the ideal hast/mastery/vers be for a prot warr mostly doing dungeons? have you played around with it?

[primal crypt]

Hi paw :)

[chilly brook]

'Member when he said he'd never go play classic? I 'member

[signal plover]

Ola

[primal crypt]

I can't honestly say

Out of all my tanks, warr still feels the most sturdy

[signal plover]

He's prolly farming billion resist pots for naxx

[strong forum]

Just alot haste, rest is irrelevant

Get that big ilvl

And haste

That's it

[primal crypt]

And paladin feels like paper

[strong forum]

Idk have only leveled war

[chilly brook]

Paladin felt fine to me on beta in keys

[primal crypt]

But the one that really surprised me was druid

Druid feels big strong too

[signal plover]

Druid super smooth

[primal crypt]

Yeah

Especially with incarn

[chilly brook]

I think you meant druid feels zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[primal crypt]

Yeah I'll give it the zzz

But it's up there with warr

Feels really good in dungeons

[chilly brook]

Imagine having 2 charges of shield wall on 3m cd

[subtle oak]

Well that is the thing

I am at 22% haste

I think that is too much after 20%

[chilly brook]

No

[primal crypt]

There's no such thing

[chilly brook]

Never too much

Lmao

[primal crypt]

You just stack haste until you're blue in the face

And grab ilvl

[muted dagger]

Hi guys, currently playing as Arms warrior, damage is nice but I feel a bit squish., How are you guys finding torghast offensively and defensively as protection?

[primal crypt]

Prot is amazing in torghast

Mass pull to the door

And party hard

[subtle oak]

alright then

[chilly brook]

Come back and say that when you have no SB cd

[strong forum]

Even 50% isn't too much

[primal crypt]

I wish I had 50%

[sharp herald]

tried torg once as arms

[strong forum]

Walk in the park

It's piss easy

[sharp herald]

died to boss, swappd to prot, effortless

[primal crypt]

Yeah don't do it as arms

Even as fury it's rough

Edited

[sharp herald]

:)

[primal crypt]

xD

Arms gets uber clapped on one pull lol

[strong forum]

Now you're making me curious

To do it as arms

[primal crypt]

I mean you can do it

[sharp herald]

it went... okay

i had mage food and had to use it pretty regularly

[chilly brook]

Idk everyone complains about doing it as DPS

[primal crypt]

It's just so much easier as prot

[ionic fern]

Can i pull the whole floor as arms?

[strong forum]

Just play second Wind

[muted dagger]

I normally play prot anyway perhaps I shouldn't of switched. I assume covenant it's the blue boys that are best for prot

[strong forum]

And you won't need food

[primal crypt]

Lul hi mwahi

[ionic fern]

Hi.:D

[chilly brook]

I did layer 3 as Frost DK 2h oblit and smashed the fuck out of it

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[primal crypt]

But dk

[chilly brook]

But frost

[primal crypt]

But dk

[chilly brook]

Not even the broken spec

[primal crypt]

Doesn't matter

[ionic fern]

Ooh,i wanna try fdk...but it has always seemed so slow

[primal crypt]

You still get ds procs

[chilly brook]

Uhhhh

You get VR procs as warrior

[primal crypt]

True, but

You have to hope you kill something

[chilly brook]

2h oblit is dope

[primal crypt]

At least you can dump rp on dk

[chilly brook]

I'm sure dual wield oblit is machinegun spec

[primal crypt]

But dumping into ip feels really good

So happy to get bracers back

[ionic fern]

Are they still running the dragoooon?

[chilly brook]

Breath?

[ionic fern]

Yes

[chilly brook]

Depends, you can either go breath or obliteration

[ionic fern]

Should probably give it a try then. 👀

[primal crypt]

Mwahi about to go dragon on people in BGS

[chilly brook]

Obliteration means big big obliterates during pillar of frost windows

[primal crypt]

Throw that shit down mid

[chilly brook]

8k obliterates feelsgoodman

[primal crypt]

No no

[strong forum]

You wanna know what else crits for 8k?

[sturdy sable]

yeah but like ret dumps out 10k verdicts

[chilly brook]

My execute

[primal crypt]

Ravager spin to win

[strong forum]

You wanna know what else can crit for 8k+??????

[sturdy sable]

this

[strong forum]

Fucking vulpera on use racial

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[sturdy sable]

horde master race

[signal plover]

You fuckin furry

[chilly brook]

Fuck furries

[signal plover]

Lol

[strong forum]

That shit legit OP

[primal crypt]

It is pretty strong

[strong forum]

Because it scales with level

So the active actually crit heals for 10k+

[primal crypt]

And the passive is as well

The nose for trouble?

[signal plover]

Man, getting the IP triggers SW anima power is actual lols

[primal crypt]

I think

[strong forum]

Ye always knew about the passive

But the active is now huuge

[primal crypt]

I played for a bit

Had to swap back to orc

[chilly brook]

Especially with the getting hit has a chance to proc IP power

[strong forum]

I only went to it for memes, liked it, and turned out to be bis

[primal crypt]

I like having a hunch back

[signal plover]

Twisting corridors is gonna be silly

[strong forum]

So I have all the reason to stay it

[primal crypt]

Also vulpera doesn't have much trouble with clipping

[chilly brook]

Honestly I wish they would have dropped twisting corridors already

[primal crypt]

So that's really good

Orcs with shields, trying to transmog gives me so much anxiety

Since nothing works

[strong forum]

Orcs just suck

Don't @ me

Male ones*

Females are aight now

[primal crypt]

Whoa

Calm down

Jesus

[pulsar garnet]

I have still been using the nzoth trink over the trinks i have found in shadowlands for the survivability should i just replace it with a high ilvl trink instead?

[chilly brook]

I mean

[strong forum]

Only with 2

Hakkar

[chilly brook]

Objectively best race

[strong forum]

Or the one from sire denathrius

Everything else loses defensively vs LPS

Lps is still immensely strong

[primal crypt]

Yeah

1 min cd too

[strong forum]

But I haven't found a reason to use it yet

Cuz lmao m0

[primal crypt]

Uptime hasn't gone anywhere

[pulsar garnet]

Ok just making sure i wasnt being dumb

[strong forum]

You did good

[signal plover]

Wot LPS

[pulsar garnet]

Well i pull huge groups

[strong forum]

Same

[primal crypt]

Can pull huge without it

[pulsar garnet]

Havent tried tbh

[primal crypt]

If you pick up dps trinkets, roll with those

[pulsar garnet]

So its probably very possible

[primal crypt]

There's a couple nice ones

[strong forum]

I'm using voracity + dps

[primal crypt]

I got the decanter

It's kind of meh tho

[strong forum]

I'm using a mission table one

[primal crypt]

Decanter and the uh, crit buff one

[strong forum]

Does like 100 dps

Pretty neat

[pulsar garnet]

Appreciate the feed back boys

[strong forum]

Can rng it up and do 300 dps even

[honest plinth]

test hakkar overall dps you will be surprised

[strong forum]

Well I would

But I don't have it

[chilly brook]

Oh also frost DK in torghast is hilarious if you get the ice chipper power, just randomly chunk 20% off the enemies because frost damage

[pulsar garnet]

Which is hakkar is it the hook?

[chilly brook]

@ionic fern

[primal crypt]

Hakkar is the shield

Does dmg on use too

Aoe

[pulsar garnet]

Ah

[strong forum]

It's big dick shield

And good dmg

[pulsar garnet]

Havent seen it

[primal crypt]

Have it on my monk

[pulsar garnet]

Hmmm

[primal crypt]

It's a monster trink

[signal plover]

Ya Iz gud, big want

[honest plinth]

40k absorb shields 😄

[pulsar garnet]

Sheesh

Me need

[honest plinth]

in m0 you can pull big use it and you dont need IP for that pull so you spam revenge

big deeps

[worthy ingot]

what's everyones go to trinks for raid looking to be

[sweet summit]

the ones that sim the highest 📈

[primal crypt]

Whatever i can get :(

I want to finish off my alche trinket

[sweet summit]

its kinda very almost super bad

[pulsar garnet]

Yall doing m+ first or raid

[honest plinth]

alche is low ilvl

[chilly brook]

For now

[honest plinth]

we have no info about upgrades

[chilly brook]

I dont remember the last time in recent memory that they didnt have an upgrade path when raid drops

[sweet summit]

its still gonna be low ilvl, even with crafters mark 2

[primal crypt]

By the time raid drops

[sweet summit]

we will have access to better ones

[primal crypt]

Im hoping it's upgradable

But until then

Just whatever drops

[pulsar garnet]

Im ilvl 184

Not many upgrades for me atm

[primal crypt]

The hakkar

Since you don't have that

:)

[chilly brook]

I think I'm gonna level my paladin tonight

[pulsar garnet]

Should i go heroic hakkar?

[primal crypt]

Nah

[chilly brook]

Fuck playing a spec I dont feel like playing for the most part tbh

[primal crypt]

Just run what you got

Next week is m6 anyway

[pulsar garnet]

True

[primal crypt]

No need to stress over loot

[pulsar garnet]

Get that fat m6 hakkar

[primal crypt]

Exactly

Finish off your 15s

[honest plinth]

the dream

[primal crypt]

For the chest

[chilly brook]

I feel like I have no life with these ilvls

[primal crypt]

And then you wait

[honest plinth]

you need 14 for chest

not 15

[primal crypt]

14s

Excuse

Is it 4x14

Or 5x14

[strong forum]

@chilly brook wtf is this

Wtf is this

Stop padding ilvl

[sweet summit]

he stole my heart 😍

[primal crypt]

His kidney lol

[chilly brook]

It's what I got boi

[strong forum]

With shit trinkets

[pulsar garnet]

Lmaoooo

[primal crypt]

Lmaoooooo

[strong forum]

Use everything else

Literally

[chilly brook]

I don't have anything else

[strong forum]

Do a wq

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

Queens guard vigil

Fucking vita

[primal crypt]

Top kek

[pulsar garnet]

Go do nzoth

[strong forum]

Literally any item is better

[pulsar garnet]

Lol

[chilly brook]

Never got Vita

[primal crypt]

Griff done vendored all his shit

[chilly brook]

Fax

Not like it matters

Not exactly my "main" atm

😩

[primal crypt]

It's ok griff

I like your kidney

It's cute

[chilly brook]

"Just give DK a month"

I should have just made the other guy play something else

Fuck me

[primal crypt]

Wait what happen

[chilly brook]

We were both going to play prot pally

We did so during prepatch

He swapped to blood dk because for some reason he felt compelled to because UtIlItY

[primal crypt]

Must have watched YouTube tier lists

[pulsar garnet]

Is no one maining prot war?

[primal crypt]

They all gave dk STier

[chilly brook]

So I decided to be the nice guy and not make him feel compelled to abandon his main of like 9 years or w/e

[pulsar garnet]

I feel like its pretty good

[primal crypt]

Prot is very good

[civic rover]

all the tanks are good as fuck

like, im thoroughly enjoying all of them

[primal crypt]

And like leif said, all the tanks are good

[pulsar garnet]

I just feel squish in nacrotic wake

[primal crypt]

Tell people to kick

So you stop getting blasted

[pulsar garnet]

True

[primal crypt]

That's on dps

Letting you die

[pulsar garnet]

Other than that i feel like im slapping 3-5k dps pack pulls

[civic rover]

ye prot does good damage

[nova moss]

anyone know how i can farm 184 of the piercing verdict conduit?

[pulsar garnet]

1.5boss which isnt great

[primal crypt]

@nova moss I got mine from callings

Randomly

[nova moss]

oh

[primal crypt]

Other than that, I think through venari

Eventually

[chilly brook]

I physically cringe anytime I hear anyone in my guild refer to TaNk UtIlItY

[pulsar garnet]

Lol

[civic rover]

for real lol

[chilly brook]

Because we have literally every class that can tank as a dps or a healer so the argument is moot to begin with

[primal crypt]

I have to say, I really really like having amz as blood

Utility

[civic rover]

like in a raid scenario, it's literally just, will you get one shot by X mechanic? no? good you can tank

[primal crypt]

I'm a utility boi

[pulsar garnet]

I like getting 1shot

[sweet summit]

look, you're a simp @primal crypt

[chilly brook]

We CaNt HaVe TwO oF tHe SaMe TaNk BeCaUsE iT hUrTs ThEiR uTiLiTy

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[pulsar garnet]

Makes me fit in with everyone else

[primal crypt]

BUT

At the same time

[chilly brook]

But we have all of those possible tanks as dps or healers?

Like paladin tbh is probably one of the tanks that actually gains by having more than one lmao

[primal crypt]

I love safeguarding my party as well

[pulsar garnet]

Blood dk Stier M+ healer tho

[chilly brook]

Double spell warding doesnt lose value because you have two

It means you get more cheese

📈

[primal crypt]

I'm just a multiclassing boon

I like all the tanks

Except dh

Dh is shit

[pulsar garnet]

I stopped multi tooning this xpac

[civic rover]

i have had all of the tanks mythic geared from legion through the end of BFA and plan to keep doing so.

[pulsar garnet]

1 toon only

[sick sentinel]

i think someone told me that DH was good for m+ but i really dont know.

[chilly brook]

Paladin>warrior>dh>>>>>>>>>dk>>>>>>>>bear

[civic rover]

VDH slaps in M+ rn yeah

[chilly brook]

That's a list of my enjoyment btw

[pulsar garnet]

Yea

[primal crypt]

Dh is good

[civic rover]

spirit bomb and the kyrian ability

it's just so good

[chilly brook]

Not of how good they are

[primal crypt]

But I hate dh because

[chilly brook]

But tbh paladin is actually pretty far ahead in my enjoyment

[primal crypt]

Just because

I'm a hater

[strong forum]

I like the lack of brm

Didn't even make the list

[chilly brook]

nope

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[chilly brook]

Fuck that class

[primal crypt]

You right

[chilly brook]

Zzzzzzzz

Bring back chi and I'd actually enjoy it

[pulsar garnet]

Idk the first week i was pissed my war felt like shit then the second week idk what happen he just started slapping

[civic rover]

bruh

mythic ToS transmog and green hidden appearance SLAPS

[primal crypt]

You prob picked up a higher ilvl shield :)

That's all a warrior needs

Dank shield

[sturdy sable]

warrior feels good tbh

[primal crypt]

Then you op

[chilly brook]

I bought the 190 shield as soon as I hit 60 lmao

[sick sentinel]

I'm really sorry for how i was being a drama fucking andy last year about my guild and shit. i've gone ahead and deleted hundreds of messages where i ws just bitching and moaning and carrying on.
I should have never done that and looking back on it i am truly ashamed of how i was acting.

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[pulsar garnet]

190 shield

[primal crypt]

Uhhh

@sick sentinel wat

[lofty widget]

what's the current stat prio atm?

[primal crypt]

Ilvl and haste

[sweet summit]

ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>haste>vers>=crit>mastery

[lofty widget]

high haste low vers for leggos then?

[primal crypt]

They're the same

[sweet summit]

50/50 on legos

[sick sentinel]

i just got into the drama last year with old guild, and i posted about it hear when i never should have, that was fucked of me to do.

i should have never subjected anyone to it.

[primal crypt]

Rest in peppers

You good now

[strong forum]

Happens

[sick sentinel]

I just took it overboard so i'm never going to continue drama like that in the future for any reason.

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Guilds do stupid things

[primal crypt]

I love how excited I get going from 142 to 148 shoulders lol

[chilly brook]

Dont mind people venting in here tbh as long as it's not over the top

[primal crypt]

Shadowlands has me in a good spot mentally :)

[chilly brook]

I've done it lmao

[sweet summit]

sounds like you've grown as a person

[civic rover]

badowlands

[sweet summit]

radowlands

[primal crypt]

Shhhh

Let me enjoy my new shoulders

[chilly brook]

I need to go after some of the cosmetic stuff

Like I need to get me the blood mist horse

[sick sentinel]

TL;DR someone was an idiot asshole, now he's blocked on everything imaginable.

[pulsar garnet]

Was it me?

[primal crypt]

First thing I went and got was sorrowblade

[pulsar garnet]

Ive been called both

[primal crypt]

Because transmog is important

[sick sentinel]

nah lol. it wasnt you

[chilly brook]

Sorrowbane*

[primal crypt]

Whatever the fuck

It's beautiful

[sweet summit]

no, you are

[pulsar garnet]

Worst part of shadowlands is no more all tank raids

[primal crypt]

Thanks :)

Lmao, my raid leader asks

How come your warrior is the most geared

Your other tanks are behind in renown

[sweet summit]

its ment to be

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[primal crypt]

"are you planning to raid on your warrior?"

Haven't answered him yet lmao

[civic rover]

im raiding on brewmaster for the fifth tier in a row

[pulsar garnet]

Yet he is reading your msgs in here about him

[chilly brook]

Ask him if it would be a problem if you did

[primal crypt]

This will be my first time as brm

[chilly brook]

RIP you

[primal crypt]

I hate stagger

[muted dagger]

Prot warriors not common in raids now?

[primal crypt]

I feel like I'm doing nothing

[civic rover]

i like brewmaster in raid, i dont like brewmaster in keys

[sweet summit]

nah for some reason everyone thinks we're bad in raids

[primal crypt]

I don't like brm

Prot is really good in raids

Primary example is Sense

Always crushing it

But it really depends on who you raid with

And whether they accept you for who you really are

[civic rover]

my guilds raid nights involve everyone getting intoxicated and attempting to kill mythic bosses

somehow we get CE

[chilly brook]

I mean BrM is actually somewhat more interesting now because you have Celestial Brew

But also

Not

[primal crypt]

Yeah

Nice absorb

Kinda fun

[civic rover]

i like brew in raids because i dont have to pay any attention to my actual class because it's so simple

[primal crypt]

But yeah

[chilly brook]

Because you basically dont have a reason not to hit it on CD and purify all the time because you get so many purifying brews

[primal crypt]

Brm is good for drunk raiding

Lol

[civic rover]

stoned raiding

i cant buy alc yet

[primal crypt]

Either

[sweet summit]

US is such a weird country

[chilly brook]

Wat

[primal crypt]

Can't argue that

[civic rover]

you can get a medical card at age 18, walk into a dispensary and buy two ounces of pot. no one blinks an eye.

but god forbid you want wine

[distant crystal]

i mean, booze is more dangerous

[primal crypt]

It is

[sweet summit]

yes but u have pow pows

[primal crypt]

You want to be impaired, you drink

[sweet summit]

and pow pows are even more dangerous

[civic rover]

still i just think it's really strange

[distant crystal]

wtf is a pow pow

[primal crypt]

Police

[sweet summit]

what

[distant crystal]

oh that's poh poh

[sweet summit]

what

[primal crypt]

Bangbang

[distant crystal]

POW POW is an award winning plant-based Asian, organic and kosher certified fast-casual restaurant located in the heart of the popular H Street

[primal crypt]

LMAO

[distant crystal]

TIL

[civic rover]

thank you Waat, very cool!

[primal crypt]

Plant based

Where's the meat

[chilly brook]

@sweet summit

[sweet summit]

ill give you some meat

😳

yes thats a pow pow

[primal crypt]

Plant based =/= Asian

[civic rover]

griff is that an airsoft gun

[chilly brook]

No

[primal crypt]

That's his super soaker

[civic rover]

😳

[primal crypt]

2020 model

[civic rover]

theres like a borderline world famous case of the cops shooting a 13 year old carrying an airsoft gun in my area

[chilly brook]

I'd argue it's no more dangerous than anything else I own tbh

[primal crypt]

The instant you see cops you make your hands empty

[chilly brook]

Requires either gross negligence or a very intentional act to actually become dangerous just like my car or a kitchen knife

[civic rover]

he took off the orange tip and was walking down the street with it

[primal crypt]

Oh nah

[civic rover]

you can look it up if you want, the shooting of Andy Lopez.

but it apparently made almost world wide news and almost went to the US Supreme Court.

[young oasis]

Is trinket BiS list out yet? With trinket breakdown, like we had in Legion and BFA

[chilly brook]

Ickus trinket>blood scale>everything else

[primal crypt]

You can go to bloodmallet@young oasis

Or icyveins

[young oasis]

Ok, bro

Tyvm

[sweet summit]

bloodmallet isnt updated yet

[primal crypt]

Oh you're right

Wtf

Where's our simc?!

[sweet summit]

in my pocket

im holding it hostage

give me money

and i will release it

[primal crypt]

I am the poor

[chilly brook]

Ask Mwahi

[primal crypt]

Ping him

[chilly brook]

@ionic fern

[young oasis]

I got Grim Codex and Hakkar trinket, both 184

[primal crypt]

jesus

[chilly brook]

Codex honestly doesn't seem too bad

[young oasis]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/borc

[civic rover]

sick mog my dude

i havent used the mage tower appearance in a minute'

[sweet summit]

same

but thats mostly due to the fact that i dont have it

[civic rover]

only im using atm is bear

[young oasis]

It fits with tusks

[visual drift]

The legendary trait for thunderclap can only drop on m+ right?

[young oasis]

I like axes, so I dont use flail

[strong forum]

Noo

[civic rover]

ye, spires of ascension

[sweet summit]

all difficulties mate

[civic rover]

oh yeah all difficulties

[strong forum]

Don't encourage the most boring and average mog ever

[civic rover]

sorry lol

[young oasis]

I got it on m0, on my second try

[civic rover]

nome ur a fucking vulpera

[sweet summit]

TRUE

[chilly brook]

Furry opinions don't count

[strong forum]

Yeah, my tmog is on point.

[civic rover]

LOL

just for that im gonna do the hawgz mog

[strong forum]

Meanwhile you get like 3000000 orcs with tusks and bfa s1 set

[chilly brook]

Being a furry automatically means you have bad taste

[strong forum]

T. Panda

[sweet summit]

TRUE

and TRUE

[chilly brook]

Them double food buff sims though

[strong forum]

Yeah, I bet you eat stam food

Gottem

[chilly brook]

I should totally make my dk a panda

[strong forum]

Gotta be honest, that was a genius comeback

[chilly brook]

[civic rover]

panda is the best race in the game

[strong forum]

Ya'all lost

[chilly brook]

Wtb kultiran horde

[strong forum]

Wtb dwarf horde

[chilly brook]

Undead would be best race in game

If they had an upright option

[primal crypt]

Lmao I'm an idiot

I had wm on as horde

Went to the maw

[chilly brook]

Gotta get that extra xp thooooo

[strong forum]

Yeah no

WM is useless now

[primal crypt]

Yup

[strong forum]

Especially in maw its death

[primal crypt]

Took a step out

[still pagoda]

[chilly brook]

Also prot paladin leveling is so ezzzzzzzz

[primal crypt]

And my computer lagged loading all the ally

[ionic fern]

Just waiting for the weekly resets for it to be enabled.

[chilly brook]

Theres your answer @primal crypt

[chilly brook]

You da best

[primal crypt]

Oh beautiful

That's what I like to hear

[sweet summit]

we love mwahi

[still pagoda]

who doesn't love mwahi

[frozen lava]

Are you guys speccing into Devastator for Mythics?

[primal crypt]

Yup

[sweet summit]

devastator everywhere personally

[primal crypt]

Yup

[frozen lava]

What do you do for rage generation/filler? just kind of wait? I just tried it out and it felt good but I felt out of rage a lot and nothing to press without Devastate as a filler

[sweet summit]

wait

if you feel out of rage, try not to spam so much IP/revenge/SB when its not needed

[frozen lava]

True, not just out of rage but more like, nothing to do. If that makes sense

[sweet summit]

ye it happens sometimes

[chilly brook]

You need to think in advance about your rage use

[still pagoda]

devastator everywhere personally [2]

[still pagoda]

same goes for almost every tank rn

out of recourses/CD's - wait

[warm apex]

So I can't seem to ask this question in Arms chat because they are a Condemn boys club.

How should I be weaving my Spear of Bastion into my ST rotation? After CS but before Bladestorm? The spear adds a 350 Mastery buff for 10 seconds.

Figured more people would know here, since Spear might be more popular on prot mains

[still pagoda]

smack it on CD

[warm apex]

So its my first button after charge?

[primal crypt]

We open with spear

[still pagoda]

after avatar and demoshout

[primal crypt]

Depending on the scenario

[still pagoda]

you do charge+avatar->spear->ravager and go on

[still pagoda]

it doesn't

[sweet hearth]

Went venthyr for fury and hating not having an aoe covenant ability when i switch prot to help friends 😦

[still pagoda]

you need maximum dmg? You do spear after your CD's

[sweet summit]

@warm apex can you do a sim as arms and link it here

[primal crypt]

Of course

[sweet summit]

im not 100% sure but i can check the apl

[primal crypt]

If purely for dmg purposes

But you'll use it for its utility as well

At least I have

[warm apex]

I don't have a lot of experience running a sharable sim. But I can give it a shot

[primal crypt]

But I'll try and have a avatar rolling

[sweet summit]

just run a sim, copy the url and link it here

[proven glen]

Simc don't work for tank specs

[primal crypt]

Not yet

[sweet summit]

i said as arms

[primal crypt]

Next reset, but burn is looking for arms

Not prot

[ember inlet]

Well hello my fellow prot brothers :3

[sweet summit]

it does if you write your own apl

[primal crypt]

His condemn boys are ousting him

[warm apex]

I off tank for the guildies, so I went Spear Arms

[sweet hearth]

any venthyr prots here? do you just ignore condemn at the start of a pull in dungeons?

[sweet summit]

you kinda have to

[primal crypt]

Spear arms is good

[sweet summit]

to maintain aoe threat

[uneven mason]

Depends on the pull

[sweet hearth]

yeah thats what i was thinking, feelsbadman

[uneven mason]

I mean

Ravager

[blissful imp]

Why is Mastery valued so low when we don't have azerite traits pumping it sky high anymore?

[sweet hearth]

WTB AoE condemn for prot

[uneven mason]

Because it doesn't have a whole lot of return for reliable mitigation Jim

You get more block by hasting your SB cooldown

and Vers is always on

[ember inlet]

Imo even crit is better than mastery

To some point

[sweet summit]

yes

[warm apex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jBFtnbYndN6GrQ9YrCyqc7 @sweet summit Is that what you needed?

[sweet summit]

i can work with that

give me 5 min to finish dungeon

[ember inlet]

Btw got thunderlord yesterday, and if you double down on that demo shout build the rotation is getting mega clunky. Every 2nd GCD is thunder clap

[warm apex]

Thanks!

[ember inlet]

And due to the 5 target limit damage is quite meh as well

Swapped to ravager and Oh Boyyyyy

[sweet summit]

love ravager

[ember inlet]

This is the dream

[sweet summit]

ravager owns

[ember inlet]

Rava is love

[sweet hearth]

i miss thunder clap on every gcd with ineffable truth ^-^

[uneven mason]

I mean

TC on every GCD in SL

would basicaly be like taping a feather duster to a fan and hitting things with it

[ember inlet]

Tbh I just want anger management to be baseline

Maybe in a weakened state

[uneven mason]

you can't get much weaker than it is

what else can they do, triple the rage per second?

[sweet summit]

@warm apex you use spear after CS/WB on the opener (before BS) then just on cooldown as long as you wont cap rage

[warm apex]

That's what I guessed, thanks!

[sweet summit]

pretty much just follow that and youre golden. thats the prio, you use the button thats highest up if its not available/applicable go down one row and repeat

https://www.wowhead.com/arms-warrior-rotation-guide

[barren rampart]

do you guys know where i can see all my memories?

went to the runecarver guy but couldnt see them there

[sweet summit]

shift+j

then look at "powers"

[barren rampart]

sweet bro thanks!

[uneven mason]

shutterfly?

[lusty grotto]

did someone summon me

@strong forum @primal crypt ???

sirs ive been playing retail but there's nothing to do

until next week

did all my weekly quests between tuesday and wednesday lmao

log in to do Maw + the covenant shit

[still pagoda]

👍 just as it should be

Go outside

it's snowy

[chilly brook]

Have fun in torghast

[ionic fern]

Torghast...
Fun...

Pick one.

[primal crypt]

NIM

[lusty grotto]

i did torghast

[primal crypt]

I was telling them

[lusty grotto]

steamrolled

[primal crypt]

We now officially

[lusty grotto]

i like torghast makes me feel like a god

[primal crypt]

No meme

[lusty grotto]

yeah i use ravager

[primal crypt]

Had to ping the chef

[lusty grotto]

Deva + BV + Ravager

with leggo boots

[ember inlet]

Why the boots though ? Why not gloves?

[lusty grotto]

they have higher stam budget

plus the boots from CN are trash

[slate shell]

what missives are you guys using on lego?

haste/versa?

[lusty grotto]

haste versa

[ember inlet]

Yup

[slate shell]

are we aiming for haste heavy items, or versa heavy?

[ember inlet]

Haste

[lusty grotto]

haste heavy

[ember inlet]

To 40%

[slate shell]

for m+ or raids? or both?

[sweet summit]

both

[ember inlet]

Both

[lusty grotto]

isnt this pinned somewhere?

it should be

[ionic fern]

What is this 40%?

[ember inlet]

Smoothes out rotation and rage generation

[lusty grotto]

yeah that 40% came out of left field

use haste above other 2ndaries, period

full stop

ilvl > haste > versa=crit > mastery

[chilly brook]

I quite enjoy torghast actually

[ionic fern]

I find it tedious.

[lusty grotto]

yeah same

[ionic fern]

And boring.

😦

[lusty grotto]

you only have to do it once a week

[chilly brook]

It will be better when the twisting corridors are open tbh

[ember inlet]

Just another monotonous chore tbh

[sweet summit]

its like visions

i dont like visions

[sour ravine]

is it ok to buy the 190ilvl boots and not the 210 ?

[lusty grotto]

yeah but you had to spam visions

for sockets

you dont spam torghast

you do it once a week, thats it

[sweet summit]

you cant even make a legendary on the 210 ones yet

so yes, get the 190

[chilly brook]

I actually find it funny how many people hate it because they dont feel powerful enough and fail their runs

[lusty grotto]

the maw is a whole nother thing though

wtf?

prot is faceroll

[sweet summit]

literally

just drop a nuke

on the maw

[chilly brook]

And you find out they're trying to zoom zoom through it and skip a ton of power ups

[sweet summit]

i cba

[lusty grotto]

which prot warrior feels bad?

literally was streaming on disc to a few friends me bashing my head in

[chilly brook]

The maw is ass

[sour ravine]

Thx 😄

[lusty grotto]

unpopular opinion but i also like the maw

[sweet summit]

wth

[chilly brook]

Oof

[wispy tundra]

The maw is hilarious

[sweet summit]

false, it sucks donkey

[wispy tundra]

I love that it gets harder to traverse and keeps giving you extra challenges. Especially when you go as a group

[lusty grotto]

the only reason i kind of dont like the maw is that it feels repeptitive currently

[sweet summit]

i dont have friends so im kinda stuck

[lusty grotto]

i just solo it

[ember inlet]

Never grouped for mae

[ionic fern]

Ngl, i haven't done anything in the maw.

[lusty grotto]

with WM On

[ionic fern]

😂

Outside of the "Mandatory" quest lines.

[chilly brook]

The maw is ass because it artificially stretches out your time there

[lusty grotto]

i pop one of the venari invis pots to get through the dumbass alliance at the entrance

[chilly brook]

Wtf is work this no mounts bs

[lusty grotto]

and then just solo everything up to lvl 5

[chilly brook]

First it was flying now they wanna get rid of mounts

Smh

[lusty grotto]

its supposed to be roguelike

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

ya i did level 5

[lusty grotto]

if you had a mount you would do it in 5 mins

[sweet summit]

and now it says to get two friends

but ???

[chilly brook]

And that's a bad thing how

[lusty grotto]

its supposed to be roguelike

[chilly brook]

No

Torghast is supposed to be roguelike

[lusty grotto]

literally, you die and lose stygia

[chilly brook]

Not the maw

That's....

[lusty grotto]

both have different aspects of rogue games

[chilly brook]

Not a roguelike system.....

That has more to do with something like soulslike

[lusty grotto]

is souls not a rogue type game?

[chilly brook]

No

[lusty grotto]

the fuck???

youre smoking crack, which game made rogue games mainstream?

because it starts with a D

[chilly brook]

FTL

[lusty grotto]

and ends with a emon SOULS

[chilly brook]

[lusty grotto]

also hollow knight, hello?

[chilly brook]

F

T

L

[lusty grotto]

what about FTL

your claim is bogus if you think FTL made rogue games mainstream

[lusty grotto]

that is some fucking bullshit

[chilly brook]

[lusty grotto]

some nerds thought Soulborne games werent rogue

and put that in

its like arguing about music genres

its literally the same thing

semantics

the first thing people think when someone mentions Rogue is Dark Souls or Demon Souls

[still pagoda]

Dark Souls 1 and 3 are not difficult

[chilly brook]

That's why there are mods to make dark souls a roguelike amirite?

[still pagoda]

just require you to SLOW FUCKING DOWN

which is totally normal

[lusty grotto]

griff...

im not gonna go on about this

[sick sentinel]

i definitely dont think of dark souls when i think of roguelike

[lusty grotto]

what about HOLLOW KNIGHT?

[chilly brook]

Roguelike has permadeath restart from square 1

That's not the maw

[sick sentinel]

hollow knight is a metroidvania

[still pagoda]

Roguelike has permadeath restart from square 1
That's not the maw [2]

[mellow patio]

The maw sucks quit talking about it

[still pagoda]

^

this

[mellow patio]

:^)

[chilly brook]

FTL is literally the first super popular modern roguelike

[lusty grotto]

jesus

[chilly brook]

Is my Lord and Savior

[lusty grotto]

my IQ went down like 50 out of all this

i feel like im in an OCD meeting

[still pagoda]

enter the gungeon had some success too

but it was more niche

[lusty grotto]

for lack of the word autism

[still pagoda]

guess it was good i skipped this

helping some mail buddies with m0's

[chilly brook]

Wasn't that after FTL

[still pagoda]

and just playing DK

[chilly brook]

?

[still pagoda]

4 years difference

FTL came out in 2012 and EtG in 2016

[chilly brook]

Literal google search and look at the top results

@lusty grotto

📈

[lusty grotto]

no

this is depressing

today i learned soulsborne games have THEIR OWN GENRE

SMH LMAO

[still pagoda]

[chilly brook]

Yep

And they're no where on that list btw

[lusty grotto]

just imagine

taking a genre and subdividing it

because reasons

[chilly brook]

Soulslike is great

[still pagoda]

DS1 and DS3 are great

DS2 is utter garbage IMO

[chilly brook]

I mean, that's what happens when you make something unique in the genre?

Just like BR is it's own thing now

[still pagoda]

difficulty for the sake of difficulty and quantity over quality ruined DS2 for me

[civic rover]

someone asked if they could join my guild saying they have potential, they were unholy last tier with only green and grey parses

[lusty grotto]

next up we'll discuss post-hardcore vs hardcore

[uneven mason]

Thats what you word on a resume as "Always seeking new ways to improve"

[signal plover]

I leave for lunch

[lusty grotto]

SIC EM PAW

[signal plover]

Fuckin nimchip comes back

[lusty grotto]

WAIT WTF

[signal plover]

And now what the fuck is even going on

[civic rover]

hey man

nimchips kind of a cutie

[signal plover]

Tru

I cannot deny nims powers with the proliteriat

[lusty grotto]

paw they have been talking about diablo this past few weeks before SL launch

literally posting screenshots

[civic rover]

facts tbh

[lusty grotto]

i thought you would get on their asses

[signal plover]

Yo dawg I stayed hella away from here

[fierce mango]

what legendary should i farm to craft first as prot warr?

[signal plover]

Comfortably nestled with da lads in SL prot chats

[civic rover]

dude its the warrior discord, we talk about everything except wow

[civic rover]

thunderlord friend

[signal plover]

^ put it on yer feets

[primal crypt]

I put it on my hands :(

Fuck

[old dagger]

is it a drop?

[civic rover]

drops from third boss in spires of ascension, all difficulties.

[primal crypt]

I had the hands already crafted and didn't even think twice when I got the drop

Unforch

[ember inlet]

Not a big deal tbh

[civic rover]

its not a big stat difference friend

[old dagger]

ah okay, so it's an item you can craft it with, guess I'll farm that dungeon then

[primal crypt]

but one is not like the other now

That is going to bug me to no end

[ember inlet]

:D

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean whats important is having that thunderlords

[signal plover]

I wouldn't stress it yamo

Maybe u get phat boots from keys next week

[lusty grotto]

facts

[civic rover]

i still havent bothered farming for it

im too lazy