it's 2% for me on bear
#protection
maiden ravine
agile stag
snt it like bis for multitariet arms
fossil sparrow
even when it procs it doesnt do enough
agile stag
lol
fossil sparrow
not sure, it scales with mob density
honest plinth
in guide they recommend https://www.wowhead.com/item=178771/phial-of-putrefaction?bonus=6805:1472
fossil sparrow
it 100% doesnt do enough to warrant taking it, for any spec
blazing gale
well they sim higher than 171 haste p[roc one
on dps
on single /aoe
but im also 16% haste
agile stag
That one is nice on single dmg. But i focus on defensiv trinkets. but thats just me
I run the hastepool one and heart from teather
fossil sparrow
was just going to tank a dungeon, I'll see how it does, but it legit did 0.5 in a dungeon yesterday
honest plinth
hakkar is bis no doubt
agile stag
And hastepool triniet is super noce foe you if you dont have that many haste pieces
honest plinth
broken trinket
lavish oracle
yeah, hakkar and phial both seem good
fossil sparrow
everytime I look at it I think of the wrathion trinket
lavish oracle
how's gluttonous spike?
honest plinth
but hakkar is good in both ways
lavish oracle
seems pretty good
agile stag
Yeah hakkar trin is insane
honest plinth
hakkars overall is better than kaals dps trinket
blazing gale
I just wonder how we'll l ive all this magic damage in fortify
agile stag
Tell ur grp to interupt )))
blazing gale
Yea, I just hope % are allright
there are some sick skips with gunshoes and invi pot
fossil sparrow
how bad is into the fray?
fossil sparrow
wait, really?
blazing gale
isnt that what everyone is using
blazing gale
yea
fossil sparrow
you need defence 🤔 ?
blazing gale
well y ou will need it for keys
honest plinth
Mwahi simmed some options
and it seems like itf is n1 dps pick
and ravager n2
it is ST ofc
blazing gale
ravager is t oget more ingore pains out
fray lowers cd on shield block
bigger clap is a big clap 😄
agile stag
Ye. imma be runnin unstoppable force insteadnof ravager with thundergods vigor
half pier
Do you think prot warrior will climb on the tier list as the expansion plays out?
agile stag
depends are you a good player. Of yes the tank dont matter
blazing gale
do you want to be top 1 rio player if not then prot is great
honest plinth
fuck tier lists 😄
sturdy sable
"Tier list"
agile stag
Tier lists are for children i believe
blazing gale
but prot will scale
honest plinth
we are scaling very well ye. we are stronk. warrrrrrrrrgh. and fuck tier lists 😄
paper coral
spomebody in here said it would feel better with haste, yeah
fossil sparrow
not like we lacked haste towards the end of bfa
paper coral
Ok, i found the issue with warrior tanking, lol. It triggers my carpal tunnel :/
kind prairie
apparently disturb the peace is bad? what? I love shockwave!
subtle oak
If you don't have enough haste, I found that war machine was a lot more rage friendly
Now that I am at 20%, feels good
strong forum
For raiding I'll play whatever gets me highest dps and ITF seems to be the play
For m+ Ravager is unbeaten unless the extra haste from itf for just raw block CD is needed
iron parcel
Should I stick with the ravager build even with thunderlord?
strong forum
You can play UF/AM with it if you really want, but I personally just like Ravager playstyle and rotation way more
iron parcel
Yeah same, that's why I was kinda hesitating
Wish ravager was baseline
So fun to use
strong forum
There's alot of stuff that could be baseline that would make perfect sense
ebon swan
AM being baseline just fits the class fantasy so well as well but ohw ell
use rage to get more rage to smash
strong forum
Yup
maiden ravine
Ravager on pull gives me moar rage for CONDEMN. 😄
strong forum
That would be the biggest most asked for "make baseline" move
iron parcel
i just dont like when they give us "choices" that are basically "which core part of your spec do you wanna forego now"
maiden ravine
We only presume it's core from BfA. Our builds became stagnant so they tried to change that
tranquil night
How's the old prot going in retail ? Thinking of making one for mythic +
They usually come to life a few patches down the line and would rather have everything ready now
sweet summit
We're solid
Public perception seems to be out greatest weakness atm
tranquil night
Yeah everyone keeps saying stay away from them, they are the worst for M+. But they are always so enjoyable to play
maiden ravine
I hate that people are so concerned about maybe being a couple % behind
sweet summit
"The worst" doesnt mean a lot. All tanks are in a great spot
maiden ravine
they've nerfed Paladin and DH so much the last month of beta
sweet summit
Youll do better by playing warrior well than rerolling and playing something else mediocre
maiden ravine
druid felt a little easier to me at low gear, but I'm sure that'll change
placid delta
its hard to compare but I'm feeling like warrior has really solid damage output in m0, and a lot of control
the only place I've felt under pressure is trash/bosses with a lot of magic damage
lavish oracle
what oil are people using?
ebon swan
essential oils 💯
lavish oracle
someone told me they always read Vigil's Torch as Vergil's Touch and now I'm blasting bury the light as I run around Ardenweald, just thought you should know
maiden ravine
Overall
lavish oracle
that's actually really good
maiden ravine
Haven't dps'd much with it so I don't know how it compares for them
narrow willow
someone told me they always read Vigil's Torch as Vergil's Touch and now I'm bla...
FUCKING SAME
maiden ravine
It also buffs dps potions
ebon swan
can oils + enchant be stacked?
lavish oracle
how does sharpening stone compare?
maiden ravine
No idea. I don't have a blacksmith haha
jagged pier
im 80% oils are better, but wait till simms
lavish oracle
Well, I'm an alchemist so they're certainly cheaper for now
jagged pier
well i mean they are both cheap anyway really, but with the extra effect on the potions probably better
lavish oracle
well yeah, but I can get oils for free 😄
slate shell
should i craft thunderlord in boots or gloves?
mental scarab
Boots
slate shell
aight thanks, and out of curiosity if you dont mind, why? 😛
jagged pier
better stats
slate shell
aight
fringe marten
So...this mainstat gem nerf, that got rolled out pretty quietly..that hit today it seems?
ebon hound
roughly 15 hours ago
jagged pier
kinda needed tbh
strong forum
(they're still pretty good 
)
restive flax
I didnt play during tgv's actual prime time so I got to play with it yesterday for the first time after finally getting it....
Jesus Lord that feels so damn good 😄
just switching from DR to BV and using TGV gave me an insane damage / Rage economy boost
Very satisfying
iron parcel
tgv was even better actually
3 seconds per enemy
no cap
they almost gave us that back
but alas
warriors cant have nice things
jagged pier
on beta before the change you could get 3 demos off in avatar 😦
restive flax
Honestly though... its still really damn good
jagged pier
yer it is really good
restive flax
I'm still running Ravager tho... should I switch off that too maybe?
jagged pier
Im still running rav
restive flax
Okay so you're also not using UF
jagged pier
nope
restive flax
Hmm, I think I'll try to use UF with AM instead of Rav + Bolster
restive flax
I like Bolster
I can afk when I press Last Stand 😄
Honest question btw, I saw a clip of Nomeratur pulling like 3 bug packs at the end of tirna scithe. I can somewhat do that? But it hurts me a lot more than him. But I couldnt really find a reason as to why that is... It just feels like he reduces the damage much more for some reason. Even outside of CDs
Maybe his group is just better than mine and cc's / supports better
jagged pier
@strong forum ^^
restive flax
that was him right?
jagged pier
yer
restive flax
k 😄
jagged pier
he would be the person to ask
but that being said
do you have logs of your pull
cause that would help
restive flax
nah, it was just a casual gearing run for guildies
restive flax
LUL
jagged pier
you dont log everything 
strong forum
If we were coordinated, I would take 10x less dmg
restive flax
no^^
strong forum
restive flax
I mean. I'm also a Necrolord goof so...
ionic fern
strong forum
Potion is so fucking sick
jagged pier
strong forum
It's so omega good it's not even funny
restive flax
Yeah I know :/
strong forum
8 stacks of bleed? Na i cleanse that
2 diseases and poisons that lower my hp and stats and deal dmg? I cleanse that
restive flax
But I got Fleshcraft! 
ionic fern
Be a dwarf for double funs
restive flax
I'm well aware that Necrolord is garbage. I thought there might be other factors to consider, but yeah. My stats might be off wildly aswell.
ionic fern
Everyones are.
lavish oracle
my biggest problem with phial is that I always forget to restock 😄
restive flax
lol
strong forum
So can't really be stats 
strong forum
my biggest problem with phial is that I always forget to restock 😄
I have a neato WA next to my health bar for that
lavish oracle
F
ebon jasper
havent done any WA s yet
lavish oracle
does anyone know if the venthyr ability in Halls of Atonement gives % when the gargoyles leave?
fallow mortar
what do you mean gives %?
crisp dragon
m+ wise
jagged pier
they only give % while active right?
fallow mortar
like % dmg?
drifting glade
I think he means % mobs cleared
restive flax
^
drifting glade
my group was talking about this as well
fallow mortar
I would think it would add to the % but even if it doesn't that is fine
restive flax
Stupid question but can you mindcontrol jump mobs off cliffs in Sanguine Depths?
And if so do they just run back up or....
karmic elbow
guys, is prot war the best spec for thorgast?
karmic elbow
one more q, are tank spec still nerfed 60% in pvp?
woeful stirrup
Holy moly im now in this discord for like a few days and i realized what a fucking amateuri am.
i learned a shit load from you guys.
Need to thank you guys a lot😋
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, sorry, I meant % enemy forces for completing the dungeon
it's fine either way, I was just looking at routes
jagged pier
@woeful stirrup theres always someone better unless your sense then your god
ebon jasper
Also no idea about the pvp question komodor
tight tree
well any tank is piss easy in torghast
i would image veng being top tier with its DMG speed and healing
at the very least its the fastest
ebon jasper
only time I was close to dying was when I pulled three elites and bunch of trash at the same time
granite nacelle
warrior feels great in dungeons so far
upper fox
There's a few mobs that reduce healing and absorbtion shield up to 100% in there
Makes your ignore pain do nothing
I agree that prot feels good. I just dont really know how we stack up other tanks in terms of dps and such
There's only dungeons rn and I play prot so I dont really get to see the other classes in action
crisp dragon
From what Ive seen we're very competetive in terms of dmg
upper fox
What about the amount of damage we take
We have lots of ways to deal with it but
How do we stack up to for example bm monks
Or pallies and dks
Whenever I get a warrior in a m0 asking how prot feels because they heard they are dogshit
I dont really know what to compare them to, as I skipped bfa
strong forum
I feel like I don't take alot of dmg
On alot of pulls I don't need any healing in M0s
But it's M0s
Next week we'll be able to judge a bit better
As I'll be pushing 15s
In low content self healing tanks will always feel alot better
lavish oracle
Isn't guardian also just like incredibly tanky at the moment?
undone sun
strong forum
Ye guardian is extremely tanky with their legendaries
Every tank is tanky... Like, its hard to draw any comparisons without any proper benchmarks
lavish oracle
There's a tuning patch next week, right?
lavish oracle
Not sure if we should be nervous or exited 😄
strong forum
Indifferent
If anything, public perception is so far in the dumpster, that blizz might think it holds truth and buff us
lavish oracle
Yeah, they probably won't even touch us
Tanks are close enough that they'll probably put more energy into the other roles
primal saddle
We seem to pump in damage maybe not ST but I've not seen a tank do more than me as prot
lavish oracle
Eh, I think it's okay for some tanks to excel at damage as long as They're not also effectively invincible
strong forum
Vdh does 10-20% more, pally does 30% more
primal saddle
ST?
strong forum
St pally does 30-50% more
lavish oracle
Pally also has some of the weakest mitigation, tbh
primal saddle
I've not seen very different numbers on packs
primal saddle
When I fight packs 3-5 I get like 4-5kdps on prot rn maybe more
primal saddle
Lul
lavish oracle
Yeah, not saying their damage isn't out of line. They definitely need to have their damage tuned some but I think it'd be fine if pally were the go-to high damage tank
primal saddle
Warrior is low across the board bit of a pain really
lavish oracle
Fair
strong forum
Well we're 2nd in ST dmg Maleedy
With 2.7k in pre-raid bis
Pally is 3.5k in pre-raid bis
lavish oracle
My ST feels low, AoE feels great with CDs
lavish oracle
Like, DR+Rav+Avatar+Spear and I'm pulling a cool 6k on 4-5 mob pack
strong forum
Yuh
primal saddle
Yea I'm about there but I might fuck about with ravager more see how it plays
strong forum
Topping with CDs
primal saddle
Been busy clapping thunder
With middle talent
Name escapes me
Unstoppable force?
strong forum
Ye
lavish oracle
Not sure how they could buff our ST without making our AoE crazy
I guess they could just hella amp SS damage
strong forum
Or just remove our softcapping
primal saddle
That's a way they could do it
lavish oracle
Make Ravager hit everything
primal saddle
We already pump in AOE well I feel like I'm always top damage in AOE
strong forum
You haven't seen vdh then
primal saddle
Not touched them for a while so no?
primal saddle
I'm fury prot/unholy blood atm
lavish oracle
I wanna level my VDH but also both my current characters are already Kyrian
lavish oracle
I thought bear had options and monk could go Necro
lavish oracle
Eh, they're alts
primal saddle
Yup
lavish oracle
It is very good, esp on warrior
strong forum
Pls don't nerf blizz, kthx
primal saddle
So we have a list of things it purges cus I feel like half the shit I think it should purge it doesnt?
fallow mortar
(nerf kyrian, buff venthyr)
ebon jasper
I love throwing spears at people, so having another is great
strong forum
It cures all bleeds, diseases, magic debuffs and curses
lavish oracle
Oh wait, it clears magic?
primal saddle
You say that but then necrotic wake
strong forum
Everything else that it doesn't cleanse, isn't categorised as such or dispellable
strong forum
Pretty sure it cleanses magic
primal saddle
Can it cure the heal debug from necrotic wake
strong forum
That's a healing absorb
fallow mortar
ebon jasper
Oh yes- that reminds me. That one pack in Necrotic wake
primal saddle
Cus that's like the one thing I want to remove
ebon jasper
do you nuke the named caster dude? Right before crossing the bridge to the second boss
sage sierra
best conduit for dungeons?
strong forum
Spear
jagged pier
your cov ability one
sage sierra
piercing verdict?
lavish oracle
What's the best place to get a higher rank of that?
primal saddle
Yup also are we stuck with a 145 version of that
Yea
I haven't found a better one yet
sage sierra
i got a 171 with that
primal saddle
Tis a pain
lavish oracle
Fuck, I'm already in bed
strong forum
That's what I do
sage sierra
Atleast on eu kazzak
jagged pier
yer but the orb is scam
primal saddle
Yea I have issues with that pack not wanting to move
strong forum
What I do is, if you can tell, I kick the big guy, then reflect the other 2 necro bolts
primal saddle
So I have to single target them while my DPS flail about until I die
strong forum
And Pop orb for omega dmg
sage sierra
strong forum
I use it on CD
sage sierra
this good for dungeons?
strong forum
No
jagged pier
ITF
ebon jasper
Oh the orb is a kyrian dungeontool ?
strong forum
That's a terrible build for dungeons
sage sierra
😄
primal saddle
It's an impressive build non the less
ebon jasper
HR , BCS ItF and RE
strong forum
primal saddle
Commendable really
strong forum
You play this
lavish oracle
That's a meme build if I've ever seen one, Nic
strong forum
(you can play crackling thunder aswell)
sage sierra
🤔
lavish oracle
And bolster/DR is playable
primal saddle
Is ravager that much better I always liked unstobale force so much
strong forum
I dislike UF
primal saddle
But I've barely played with ravager
primal saddle
Yea kinda
jagged pier
rav is better and will be better in higher content
@lavish oracle DR is not playable its trash
sage sierra
i thought into the fray was really nice
strong forum
Last expac
jagged pier
for st damage sure
lavish oracle
Hmmmm, pretty sure it does more AoE damage too
astral crystal
http://www.twitch.tv/nomeratur/v/823257703?sr=a&t=10420s
lol "why are we still here? just to suffer"
jagged pier
@lavish oracle no its doesnt we have sims that prove it doesnt been shown for 2 days now
we had someone in here last night with napkin maths trying to prove it was when it just isnt
ebon jasper
4-10 % increased haste doesnt come into play in dungeon as much as the additional rage gen from ravager or possibly UF For spammability every 1,5 minutes
lavish oracle
I'm gonna just go with actual play testing until Sims are finished, DR is doing like 14% of my damage overall
sweet summit
@jagged pier how much u sim bro
strong forum
lol "why are we still here? just to suffer"
ebon jasper
But DR doesnt give you rage and BV gives you 20% more damage
sweet summit
It gives 20 rage on use
lavish oracle
With a 17% uptime on the damage buff
ebon jasper
so ti gives 20% less
sage sierra
https://gyazo.com/c41ab604ebf59e6031f499a0e95a60d8?token=49993b790d224a7d9662a5c28608262f gonna try this I guess
strong forum
Brave BSC use
jagged pier
@sweet summit if we had them a lot
sweet summit
<@!165864577760755712> if we had them a lot
Damn
jagged pier
@lavish oracle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/784101603761979402/unknown.png
thats aoe 5 targets
lavish oracle
Given what other talents/gear
jagged pier
believe its fully buffed with decent gear again its mwahi's sim
sweet summit
Deva/ravager/am i think
strong forum
2760 is with ITF
sweet summit
Oh ok
lavish oracle
No leggies equipped?
strong forum
Don't think so no
lavish oracle
Hm, might play around with it but the snap threat from DR feels pretty good
jagged pier
but u have snap threat with bv, (anything), spear, rav or any of them on their own
topaz zenith
is inspiring presence percentage on top of rallying cry or 26% of 20%?
tidal stump
anyone want to farm Theater of Pain Arms lego?
violet tundra
26% of 20%
tidal stump
5 warrior stack
topaz zenith
@violet tundra rip I thought it was actually 46% 
woeful stirrup
Is it possible to sim as a tank tought this doesnt work ?
violet tundra
That would be hilariously overpowered
lavish oracle
Still a little dubious, uptime on the damage debuff is like 17%, am I using all my cds in that window every time?
jagged pier
it should be far more than 17% tbh
topaz zenith
with thunderlords?
lavish oracle
Nah
sage sierra
Thundelord bis legendary in mythic +?
jagged pier
that is napkin maths right there, like a lot of fights dont even last 45 seconds
lavish oracle
BV is fed better with thunderlord's not even questioning that
That's not napkin math
jagged pier
so it would be fight length / debuff duration
topaz zenith
I have demo shout up every pack with thunderlords pretty much
lavish oracle
Most fights last longer than 45s in any key that's like...actually even worth considering this kind of thing in
lavish oracle
Think he means UF
topaz zenith
yeah woops haha
strong forum
<@!101060314950283264> rip I thought it was actually 46% <:weird:718676218500874...
That'd be broken :D
stable flower
How is prot warrior in comparison to Prot pally?
still pagoda
gameplay-wise?
glossy topaz
What lego is better for prot ?
still pagoda
What lego is better for prot ?
TLDR: Thunderlord and The Wall
stable flower
Ya, so far I like fury/arms a little more than ret cause of rets mandatory down time Blizz has a hard on for
still pagoda
better off reading before asking anyway
ebon jasper
just scored Thunderlod
stable flower
But Prot pally is pretty baller, wondering on Prot war
still pagoda
play it yourself if you're wondering how it plays
hushed vessel
Man Prot warrior conduits are so damn boring and bad. Do you guys feel the same?
still pagoda
it is the same fast-paced gameplay so you probably won't feel much difference
still pagoda
Man Prot warrior conduits are so damn boring and bad. Do you guys feel the same?
all conduits are generic spec buffs
nothing special for anyone
designed to be so
dusky mica
Prot pally is only 'baller' because it's doing 30% more dps than most of the other tanks.
ebon jasper
So, even given a possible slight nerf, is there any alternative to thunderlod? it sorta feels like it need to be nerfed ridiculously hard to not be best still?
sick sentinel
Ive been running the sesmic reverberation legendary with best serve cold and cleaving above most dps on bigger packs.
dusky mica
It didn't need nerfing. The other leggos needed buffing.
sick sentinel
I have thunderlord too but I didn't want to invest in only a prot legendary
ebon jasper
dont think there's any crosscompatible legendaries really
hushed vessel
I chose thunderlord too and even with the cap it feels amazing
mighty acorn
guys kyrian or night fae for m+?
dusky mica
yes
mighty acorn
which i mean
ebon jasper
nice, kabuto, nice.
dusky mica
🙂
ebon jasper
I -think- night fae is a bit better for m+
hushed vessel
same
mighty acorn
any reason?
hushed vessel
It has higher damage and rage regen potential. It also ccs
dusky mica
I prefer kyrian because we have shockwave anyway
icy bane
Kyrian superior, case in point Pico and phial removes bleeds
dusky mica
and yeah the owlbro's bottle of beer
flint cliff
dont think there's any crosscompatible legendaries really
Leaper 😋
signal plover
NF has *slightly higher damage and rage regen *as long as targets stay in the ground effect and it's capped at 5 I believe.
Kyrian has potion, instant rage and vortex.
ebon jasper
haha- True but that'd be for pvp alone- I dont think you need 3 Heroic leaps in a dungeon
icy bane
For maw stuff too just jump across half the map
signal plover
Imo at this point it's almost completely personal preference for NF vs Kyr for m+
ebon jasper
If you do a big pull and stay stationary then night fae shines a bit more
if you're doing shorter burts kyrian is better
dusky mica
NF is a bit shit on bosses
jolly thistle
spear and AA both have their uses. But then there’s phial vs soulshape...
sweet summit
NF is 2nd best on ST (only behind venthyr)
jolly thistle
have you ever struggled on necrotic weeks or simply want to ignore them? There you go.
mild river
Hey guys. what's the consensus on the alchemy trinket?
placid delta
I find the periodic interrupt from the NF ability really powerful on some nasty mythic packs, it provides a really effective CC against caster packs
sweet summit
Too low ilvl
placid delta
It seems like some thing are immune, but still
mild river
the new meta is 4 nightfae warriors for M+ and chain Aftershock 😛
sweet summit
Crafted gear aside from legos are very underwhelming
placid delta
the new meta is 4 nightfae warriors for M+ and chain Aftershock 😛
count me in 😄
sweet summit
One good darkmoon deck is all
sweet summit
Isnt there one on IV
sweet summit
solar crown
whats the renow cap this week? 5?
sweet summit
6
woven radish
So what's everyone doing for that juicy endurance slot in Tuesday? I'm going last stand rage regen so I can 
during bolster. 🎉
sweet summit
Prob same tbh
still pagoda
probably SW CD
ionic fern
Brutal Vitality.
mild river
M+ will only drop 1 item per run?
astral crystal
2 if you time it
jagged pier
brutal vitality
frosty ridge
2 if you time it
nothing extra for +2 or +3?
jagged pier
nope
frosty ridge
steep
jagged pier
not really they never given extra for +2 or +3 chests really only thing was extra loot past 15
which i dont know if its there anymore
astral crystal
it's just 2 flat now when you chest
jagged pier
but in general less loot drops overall but the cache is better so 🤷
woven radish
Going to be a lot of grieving on Tuesday when people go like 10 runs without a drop lol
jagged pier
its just a change people will have to get used to like with the fact you dont have to grind wqs and stuff anymore
like ppl in week one were complaining there was nothing to do, I dunno i find that better than having to endlessly grind stuff i dont want to
oblique abyss
Hey guys - would you bother changing covenants if you were in my situation? I am not sure what to do... So initially I started playing fury - I got a raid spot in my guild as fury warrior but other than for raids, I am playing prot everywhere (M+ torghast etc) and I was wondering if I should change my covenant from venthyr to something else?? Are the covenant diffences that huge? should I even bother? :/
jagged pier
i mean depends you mythic raiding as fury?
do you push keys?
violet tundra
If you're not pushing for the super top leaderboards for M+ I wouldnt bother changing
oblique abyss
no just normal and hc raiding, keys - I'll probably do m+15 when its available but wont push past that
jagged pier
then it dont matter what you are
sweet summit
That is very doable as venthyr. But tbh nightfae/kyrian isnt that bad for fury either if you take a look at the sims pinned in #fury
Its really up to you what you value more
Your coveant will not make or break anything
tardy parcel
if you enjoy the aesthetics of venthyr as well, i wouldn't sweat changing in your situation
sweet summit
Ya i love the venthyr mogs and condemn animation is 
jagged pier
I would be them if power wasnt attached to covenants 
tardy parcel
I'm envious of the ginormous tombstones they can run around with lol
glossy pollen
so, question. I played Prot during BFA, was awesome, tons of fun to play. In SL I feel sluggish, like I am always waiting on GCD or rage. Am I doing it wrong? or is this just how SL is right now?
jagged pier
probably a bit of haste, could be doing some stuff wrong as well you got any logs?
also what talents you playing?
glossy pollen
no logs
tallents:
Devastator
Double Time
Booming Voice
Crackling Thunder
Indomitable
Unstoppable Force
Anger Management
jagged pier
well thats probably a now
so your talents could be an issue
UF doesnt really do anything for you without the thunderlords leggo
uneven mason
run Rav
jagged pier
Ravager is the strongest talent in that row tbh
modern brook
UF wouldnt make his rotation feel sluggish ????????????????????
uneven mason
always rav
modern brook
its not good but its not his problem
modern brook
smh
jagged pier
so yes take ravanger is a much best talent for everything more damage more rage up for every pack its really good
uneven mason
rav produces rage and costs 1 GCD, UF makes TC do ALMOST bearable damage but eats up a ton of GCDs
jagged pier
there also if your rage starved you might be spamming stuff far too much
uneven mason
UF in BFA awesome, UF now - I want to cry
void karma
I presume it doesn't matter which slot I use for the thunderlord legendary?
modern brook
boots slight edge has been the consensus
void karma
Mkay
jagged pier
@glossy pollen like how to do play are you holding rage for SB or do you just spam on rev and IP?
boots are better yer
just
glossy pollen
could be my problem, I am playing like I did in BFA which was TC on cooldown
I hardly use SB
I am thinking my rotation is now completely wrong
jagged pier
well thats probably were one issue is right there
SB is our best ability for mitigation by far
glossy pollen
my rotation when I pull is normally:
charge
Thunder Clap
Avatar
Ignore Paid
Shield Block
Spear of Bastion
Shield Slam
Thunder Calp
Shield Block
Shield Slam
etc...
oh, SB as in shield block, thought you meant shield bash 😛
hexed sage
I read somewhere that curently we have access to better hands than leggs so it better to craft leggo leggs 😁
modern brook
oh, SB as in shield block, thought you meant shield bash 😛
slam, we slam shields :^(
restive flax
Shield Bash is the pvp talent btw
glossy pollen
bash, I run in warmode 🙂
restive flax
Warmode in dungeons Pog
glossy pollen
but yea, my bad
jagged pier
my rotation when I pull is normally:
charge
Thunder Clap
Avatar
Ignore Paid
Shie...
your running bv why no demo shout?
should be doing that on cd with bv after avatar and before spear
glossy pollen
yea, sorry, shout is in there when I charge
jagged pier
what i do as weill is cast SB then spear and rav then IP
you shouldnt be casting IP before SB unless its only magic damage
you only really IP if you have rage to dump or magic damage
jagged pier
not what youve written im going off what you said you prio is, you probably also want to SS ASAP its pretty much the highest prio spell we have
glossy pollen
what is rav?
signal plover
Ravager
jagged pier
from what your saying your doing there shouldnt be to much issue with rage your probably just dumping too much, like you always want 30 for SB
and yes ravager talents its better than UF
glossy pollen
ahh, to swap my UF
jagged pier
yep
signal plover
Not running ravager kinda gimps your opening threat a lot
glossy pollen
OK, but my logic for SB first is to try and mitigate dmg
not better to focus on mitigating dmg before SS to gain rage?
uneven mason
I hardly use SB
You're overusing IP SB is priority except when nothing is meleeing.
jagged pier
^^
signal plover
SB isn't on the GCD
jagged pier
and SS always take prio basically
glossy pollen
ignore that comment, that hardly using was cause I thought SB was referring to shield bash 😄 My bad
uneven mason
or when you have excessive rage
glossy pollen
I shield block on cooldown
uneven mason
use SB during melee (not just on CD)
glossy pollen
if I can
glossy pollen
the IP might be eating too much rage
glossy pollen
I don't 😛
signal plover
Literally just swap UF to Ravager and you'll find you have a lot more rage to play with on pull
jagged pier
use demo on cd for rage and to make use of tgv 
signal plover
Youll be able to get an SB and an IP and a couple revenges right off the bat along side your primary rotation (SS>TC)
glossy pollen
what is TGV?
signal plover
Thunderlord legendary
glossy pollen
oh, don't have that yet
have not even looked into my legendary yet
I think I made a mistake. I ignore all news about SL causse I wanted a surprise. Now I am lost 😄
but the story was awesome!
signal plover
Head over to the icy veins guife
uneven mason
Run spires until you get Thundergods offa the big Robot
signal plover
Guide
glossy pollen
it drop in normal, heroic and M0?
signal plover
Yeah
glossy pollen
no change in iLVL?
uneven mason
all 3 but higher difficults have a higher % chance to drop since tuesdays hotfix
its a memory
signal plover
Drop rates are decent in heroics now and there's no more daily lock on em
uneven mason
not a item
uneven mason
yeah I was shocked that Heroics have no lockout
yes Memories are what you use to give legendaries powers.
glossy pollen
OK
jagged pier
yer they changed it because of people leaving after leggo bosses XD
glossy pollen
so, follow Icy Veins pull rotation?
signal plover
Imo if you know nothing about SL take a peek at either the icy veins or wowhead guide
uneven mason
now if only they'd make m0 have daily resets......
signal plover
And ask here for more specific questions
uneven mason
wowhead is easier to read IMO
jagged pier
I wouldnt trust the wowhead guide
glossy pollen
lol
uneven mason
LIterally written by the same person Jakey
signal plover
Theyre not
uneven mason
waaat
jagged pier
yer they arent
glossy pollen
so, to my original question as to Prot feeling sluggish, it is me right 😄
uneven mason
I thought Mwahi was on both
signal plover
Wowhead is Llarold
uneven mason
🤮
signal plover
Mwahi is icy
jagged pier
mwahi wrote icy veins right?
uneven mason
the monk guy
jagged pier
yer like wowhead promotes the bfa build
glossy pollen
I loved my prot warrior in BFA, but in SL have been fighting the pull to swap to monk or something
signal plover
Kek monk
jagged pier
kek
sweet summit
some people dont like the playstyle change and thats perfectly fine
thorn kayak
In Icy there is stated that Signet is lackcluster, is that true? I think in combination with Ravager it could be valid Prot build.
uneven mason
I do my own thing for talents 💪
strong forum
yer like wowhead promotes the bfa build
He promotes both
uneven mason
for prot
sweet summit
prots ravager doesnt proc signet @thorn kayak
strong forum
There's the offensive and defensive build
uneven mason
Saco its that it has very little defensive value
jagged pier
He promotes both
I know but promotes one as offensive when it does less damage and is less offensive imo
uneven mason
meanwhile TGV and Wall have really strong devensive, and TGV covers both Offensive and Defensive
strong forum
I'd say outdated in a sense
But also probably with TGV in mind
When looking at UF
uneven mason
yes
thorn kayak
Oohh, I see! I am still a baby prot war and like the Rage gen option to fuel my IP, that is why I was thinking of crafting the signet with Ravager (it also lines up nicely with Demo) but if it does not even proc that makes me super sad
last yacht
Is it recommended to just craft rank 1 TGV while waiting for the memory for Wall to drop from the raid? (i'm focused on hc/mythic raiding and M+)
uneven mason
its a big leap from how smooth Rav is
sweet summit
it'd pretty cool if ravager worked, but still not great
you can craft r1 tgv this week and r1 the wall next week (if it drops for you)
strong forum
Is it recommended to just craft rank 1 TGV while waiting for the memory for Wall...
Pretty much, yes
uneven mason
and how clunky TC spam makes the rotation feel
jagged pier
can do what you want @last yacht really you can get rank 1 wall next week, and then youll only behind getting rank 4 by about a week
thorn kayak
I see, thanks guys for tips!
last yacht
Thanks guys!
jagged pier
i personally have got TGV and am gunna make the wall next week and upgrade which one is better
strong forum
and how clunky TC spam makes the rotation feel
Ye
jagged pier
in a month and a bit it wont matter any @last yacht
last yacht
Because we will have both at max rank i guess?
jagged pier
you should have enough soul ash by then yer
last yacht
I think it's fine. My guild is not starting mythic until after christmas
ebon jasper
not like 20 itemlevel on a single item is gonna make or break stuff anyway
jagged pier
well you want the leggos for the effect more than the ilvl, the stats are just nice to have
ebon jasper
if anything I'd think TGV has more early use since you'll be doing lots of mythics inbetween raid days
last yacht
Yeah very true. Guess i will craft TGV today then 😄
jagged pier
well alot of the raid fights are also aoe as well there are only 2 purely ST fights in CN
ebon jasper
AND you might also not get The Wall for a few weeks
jagged pier
i think its 100% from raids dude, seems to be the consensus anyway
ebon jasper
blizz didnt confirm that I heard?
strong forum
Oh if you don't start mythic until next year / after christmas, then it's really whatever
strong forum
blizz didnt confirm that I heard?
It's assumed so
jagged pier
well either way if they did or didnt raids arent that farmable to the drop chance should be high
ebon jasper
so at the very least a high droprate
strong forum
Would make sense to do so ye
ebon jasper
Also dont think we'll be slamming mythic raids right away over here
jagged pier
should be
strong forum
We go at it insta
jagged pier
same here probably
sweet summit
we go again
strong forum
Agane
sweet summit
do its spelled like this
strong forum
Agane
signal plover
Agane
sweet summit
restive flax
I picked it and will be doing m+ with it. but not because its strong
I just like the skullmen
signal plover
Draka simp
restive flax
okay
I mean, blocking would be more important than parry and dodge, but I agree
Lets hope they see reason and do something decent with it
I.... doubt that very much. -> checking that
sweet summit
you can
strong forum
You can
restive flax
thats a good change lol 😄
restive flax
I just assumed you couldnt do it because channels be like that but hey, great news lol 😄
strong forum
Ye some channels are weird
You used to be able to use abilities during cyclo blast
But they fixed that real quick
restive flax
Actually makes me think... Maybe the Emeni conduit that allows me to move during fleshcraft is actually decent now
sweet summit
blooddrinker specifically states that you can dodge and parry during it tho
idk, dks dont dodge a lot
marble garnet
should i be enchanting / gemming versatility right now?
sweet summit
haste
restive flax
^
sweet summit
not sure if the bfa str gems are still worth
marble garnet
got my legendary
restive flax
thunderman?
marble garnet
yeah, i played blood dk in bfa some which was fun
prot war is much more interactive
yeah, i got thunderlord gloves
restive flax
it feels so good to play thunderlord with booming voice
marble garnet
yeah
i'm a fan
also, prot is the only way i can clear tier 3 torghast lol
granted, i ws pretty low ilvl when i tried arms
marble garnet
yeah it is pretty easy mode
restive flax
the scaling is so dumb
restive flax
yup
marble garnet
how hard do you think it will be to play both arms and prot?
orchid basalt
the only annoying mob in Thorgast is the Deadsoul Chorus with its 100% healing reduced
marble garnet
kyrin seems good for both, but will i be able to upkeep 2 legendaries?
restive flax
mate what annoys me in torghast is the infinite rage anima power
when its forced down my throat
opal current
you dont take any damage as prot
Wait, really? How do you heal yourself, with anima powers and thats it?
sweet summit
indomitable
sweet summit
or however you spell that
restive flax
you did the smart Erga, thats how you spell it
sweet summit
thank god
opal current
Cool :o ill check that when i get home, thanks for the info
restive flax
And like, even without indom I think Victory Rush would be enough
sweet summit
ye but thats less damage :/
restive flax
true
sweet summit
we all know big dam>smol dam
sweet summit
:/
restive flax
I mean I still do loads of damage in M0
just Revenj your way to the top of the dps meter
sweet summit
📈
marble garnet
do you guys think it will be reasonable to be compettitive in 2 specs this xpac?
sweet summit
yeah, for sure
restive flax
not in the beginning atleast because there arent really that many lego options that are useful for two specs
marble garnet
will we only be able to obtain enough soul ashe to max out one legendary?
sweet summit
nah, we will get loads eventually
strong forum
After mythic release week, you get 1200 ash per week
restive flax
yeah, in the long run you can definitely do it
its just that you cant have two legos immediately
marble garnet
makes sense
restive flax
The second lego I wanna get is the 🐸 lego
Tbh that lego seems so dumb in PvP with Warpath
opal current
Soooo im learning to tank with prot warrior because I wanted to try tanking. Any general tips in the tanking aspect?
uneven mason
Don't overuse IP
formal river
I'm waiting for torghast to get hard personally.
uneven mason
Its about how you spend your rage and understanding how things work situationally
formal river
Every run I'm getting permanent shield wall and like +175 condemn
uneven mason
@opal current All the other tanks are more or less reactionary, while Prot is 100 (well 99% with indom heals now) Pre-emptive, know when damage is coming and how to deal with it is how you run the A+ game as Protection.
The main hurdle new prot wars run into coming from other tanks is the fact we can't heal ourselves exceptionally well (we can, but it takes some knowledge and knowing when to snipe a kill with execute) We're loaded with CDs so don't jus sit on them for OCrap moments, - the point of prot playstyle is that the "O Crap" never happens
formal river
@opal current dont use IP unless you see a big spell not get interrupted. Keep SB up
uneven mason
That isn't good advice 😛
use IP, just don't over use it and ragestarve for threat or miss a SB charge when you need it
marble garnet
I use ignore pain to consume rage when capping
formal river
I use revenge cause damage
marble garnet
and to help mitigate dmg when shield block is down
formal river
Come at me
marble garnet
I mean, i use revenge when i know i'm not gonna get cucked
uneven mason
yeah, but thats a by feel thing
sweet summit
ignore pain is a compliment to SB
uneven mason
^
sweet summit
theyre not interchangable
restive flax
unless there is no blockable damage
sweet summit
well, yeah
formal river
I agree. I just dont like the huge rage dump. I let me healer press their buttons
restive flax
if youre fighting enemies that hardcast shit 100% of the time you shouldnt shield block
formal river
Unless there is huge partt dmg.
sweet summit
those are rare cases tho
restive flax
ofcourse
still pagoda
if youre fighting enemies that hardcast shit 100% of the time you shouldnt shiel...
unless they are like zul
steel mauve
some spells are also considered physical and can be blocked like jaina as well
restive flax
I used to think that most spells are blockable if they are physical
but uh... for example the champion dudes in theater of pain do a whirlwind that is physical but not blockable
still pagoda
I used to think that most spells are blockable if they are physical
targeted physical damage is usually blockable
aoe is not
bleeds are not
restive flax
I usually just avoid aoes where I can and dont rely on block anyway
keen pivot
Hi, is there a macro for charge/intervene, i.e. if the target is hostile, you charge, if it's friendly, you intervene (Overload of hotkeys is becoming a big issue for me this xpack). Thanks
still pagoda
Hi, is there a macro for charge/intervene, i.e. if the target is hostile, you ch...
there was one
@sweet summit
people request macro
:)
restive flax
you can't work without block so
I meant blocking abilities
strong forum
but uh... for example the champion dudes in theater of pain do a whirlwind that ...
That's one of few exceptions
There are alot of blockable tankbusters
still pagoda
I meant blocking abilities
depends. Some tank hits are even blockable
like scythe on argus in ABT
uneven mason
ahh memories
restive flax
I only meant that if I see an aoe on the ground I go out of it unless its something I gotta soak
still pagoda
a lot of physical tankbusters are in the game indeed
restive flax
jeez LUL
uneven mason
"46 stacks, nah I got this, you stay there"
uneven mason
🤮
restive flax
oh yeah, I remember him
uneven mason
pinthat?
strong forum
ping on ping on ping on ping
|| get double pinged idiot @sweet summit ||
sweet summit
:sadge:
chilly surge
On US Karton?
still pagoda
On US Karton?
EU
still pagoda
i am not that lucky nome
chilly surge
NOICE
still pagoda
i've got 184 ashen jugg tho
dabbed on dps warris in the guild and dropped into the box of things never to be used
strong forum
I will use it for parsing
still pagoda
yeah
strong forum
Get that rank 1 out of 1
still pagoda
but we're not yet there
signal plover
The key to getting a rank1 is putting enough asterisks on it to reduce the scope
sweet summit
healing done to tanks 📈
signal plover
still pagoda
well, this is also a good one to watch
as it just makes laughs out of the true healing sponge of all the tanks
strong forum
So, monks
blissful imp
even if I didn't have to spam spires, I'd still hate this dungeon
being the only one with an interrupt apparently fucking sucks
still pagoda
you do have to spam
wait for M+
don't pug, find a good group and push it to the limit
restive flax
actually. go to the right wing after the first boss.... the trash on that side is so much easier
less annoying
less stuff to kick
@blissful imp
civic rover
don't pug, find a good group and push it to the limit
for real, pugging just isn't worth it.
blissful imp
yea i do go right, went left once and was like "nah, rights better"
sick sentinel
Telling you
restive flax
After 53 runs of spires I learned about the right side....
sick sentinel
Last night I ended up in a PUG where everyone else just randomly started pulling shit in plagueworks and me and my healer friend were whaaaaa
restive flax
plagueworks is.... plaguefall?
sick sentinel
And when we asked them to stop they said we need to kill stuff you not tanking well
civic rover
nome i used all my legendary luck in legion
strong forum
Git gud
sick sentinel
Like seriously one feral in the right path pulling shit and a rogue along with his mage buddy pulling shit on the left path
novel temple
@still pagoda i feel you, i've only been getting dps stuff
sick sentinel
And dying and re-pulling some other random mob - I almost got a migraine!
restive flax
more enemies to kill -> more demej
still pagoda
<@!254685070739243009> i feel you, i've only been getting dps stuff
tbf, you're not loosing out on much
tank trinkets are garbage as usual
i'm using decanter from kaal and voracity deck myself
sick sentinel
They good?
still pagoda
phial, decanter and power crystal are good
voracity deck is also strong
indomitable deck is garbage
sick sentinel
Got it
sick sentinel
Now that I think about it, yeah...you’re right!
How’s blood spattered scale? I’ve been trying to drop that for quite a bit now...is it worth the grind?
still pagoda
How’s blood spattered scale? I’ve been trying to drop that for quite a bit now.....
wait for m+ and grind here
sweet summit
if it doesnt get nerfed
still pagoda
you will change all the hc and m0 during first 2 weeks of the raid anyway
if it doesnt get nerfed [2]
sick sentinel
*if it doesnt get nerfed*
😂
sick sentinel
you will change all the hc and m0 during first 2 weeks of the raid anyway
Makes sense
still pagoda
LPS copy as the best trinket second tier in a row
limpid pawn
You guys still using LPS?
honest plinth
@still pagoda hakkar trinket overall damage > decanter overall btw
civic rover
still pagoda
i would definitely run decanter + scale
or phial + scale
before scale gets nerfed
signal plover
It's the only absorb trinket that I've ever been like...oh yeah...give dat
Well, maybe diamond back in bod but
honest plinth
is phial stacking only om your target in aoe?
sweet summit
yap
wheat tundra
Hello Guys
Where do i craft my Thunderlord into? Feet or Hands?