yeah i do lose aggro against certain dps but i either taunt or tab target the lost ones
#protection
torn gulch
open monolith
Lol weak in threat and survivability?
Weird, I feel tanky af
Threat is only an issue in the 1st 5 seconds of a pull if I have 0 rage and the DPS pull all their cooldowns out for omega burst instantly
It's s problem MAYBE once or twice a dungeon, but challenging shout exists, sooooo
astral crystal
UHDK and mages go kinda hard on threat not gonna lie
when you mongo pull and you have dropoff dmg
open monolith
Yeah. If you expect to hold aggro while never switching targets, you're gonna have a bad time
Spread your shield slams around
barren rampart
what are your stat prio for prot warriors?
lunar perch
Which is better? More haste with no vers or less haste with vers?
sweet summit
the one with more haste
lunar perch
Thanks :)
open monolith
Ilvl >>>>>>>>> haste >>>>>>>>vers=crit>>>>>mastery
barren rampart
ait ty!
sweet summit
mastery isnt that bad
lunar perch
I suppose that's why ilvl >> everything :D
strong forum
It's because Str stam and armor are so extremely valuable
(mainly Strength)
And all secondary stats being very close defensively so it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things
But if you have choice, more haste is always better
open monolith
Trinkets are the only piece where ilvl isn't everything, right?
strong forum
And rings/neck
open monolith
Because I have a 171 hakkar and a 184 stupid thing
strong forum
Obv, trinket are exempt from that rule
strong forum
And rings/neck are a bit easier on the ilvl rule because of their lack of mainstat
open monolith
Anyone know what ilvl m+ will cap at in first few weeks?
strong forum
Speculations are +6/7
open monolith
Speculation as to what the ilvl will be?
I assume it won't go higher than the raid
still pagoda
Speculations are +6/7
197 gear and +7 pretty sure tho
and maybe even cap out at +10 for weekly for first tier
formal river
Everyone should made separate blizzard forum posts saying that necro banner should be attached to our backs
Please and ty
safe fern
What stats should i make my thunderlord with? I wanna do a lot of dungeons
modern brook
haste crit
safe fern
what about vers?
still pagoda
What stats should i make my thunderlord with? I wanna do a lot of dungeons
haste/crit or haste/vers
to your liking
crit, vers and mastery are so close together that it is not even worth choosing really
i would personally go with crit as it gives a bit more value in M+
modern brook
Verse would eb a more defensive option yeah
open monolith
I did vers
modern brook
"more defensive" being that it provides a .05% DR to he 12th unkicked necrotic bolt
like karton said
safe fern
Im'a go with the haste and crit then
modern brook
the difference is prefernce imo. Most likely, at very high keys, as has been in the past, Verse will start to outpace the importance of crit/mast
just because that .05% stops you from being one shot
safe fern
Oh
modern brook
but thats very high keys
safe fern
above 15+?
modern brook
in corruption era it was above 25
modern brook
Its tough to say what the equivlents would be in this expac
I will say that 15s should be achievable with good play regardless of stat allocation (assuming appropriate ilvl)
safe fern
True
pliant narwhal
is anyone else feeling that thunderlord is underwhelming? i dont notice that much of damage increase
modern brook
If you want a straight damage increase you shoulda went for the revenge hits twice one
Tlords value comes from just having demoralizing a million times
And it combos with the rage gen and damage of BV
fierce laurel
hello everyone , was wondering if any1 know where i can find a list of the BiS prot legendaries as in a full set of them showing which memory goes in which slot
modern brook
uhhhh it might be in the guides
whole umbra
thunderlord is for the big pulls and high keys
modern brook
The Wall or Tlords is your two big options
whole umbra
I think, if you want dps output you should go something else
whole umbra
i went boots
fierce laurel
yeah but i can have as many legendaries as i want no ?
modern brook
not equipped
fierce laurel
oooohhh
fierce laurel
well that changes alot of things
modern brook
since like yohked said, money be crazy
strong forum
197 gear and +7 pretty sure tho
+7 is 200 tho, so it's +6 
modern brook
JDC over here playing legion smh we're not allowed to have that much fun.
fierce laurel
XD
pliant narwhal
@modern brook "BV" ?
open monolith
@pliant narwhal TL is more about rage gen and higher demo shout uptime
Bv is Booming voice
Which, yes, makes them take more damage
But more importantly gives you a fuckton of rage
Rage = mitigation = clearing content
modern brook
??
open monolith
If you're using Thunderlord, you should also be using Unstoppable Force/ Anger Management, as it synergizes amazingly with TL
modern brook
Raj = ravenj = clearing content 4 HEAD
pliant narwhal
@open monolith i tested it, but i am not sure if this is really worth it. but will do some testing later today
the last man standing talent is so huuge
modern brook
UF/AM is good synergy but is by no means mandatory to get value out of Tlords
Rav + Bolster/AM is also very strong with it
turns out 20% stronger Ravajr is very good.
sweet summit
i see i see
round oasis
I have some honor and need a tanking trinket. Any recommendation on which is better? Emblem is passive STR with HP on Use. Badge is passive haste with STR on use. and Insignia is passive haste with passive STR proc.
sweet summit
theyre all 1.5 i think
round oasis
1 min for 15 secs
sweet summit
o
modern brook
oof
round oasis
1 min CD, 15s buff
modern brook
Uhhh I'd probably still do badge tbh
Avatar w/ AM is about 1 min cd right?
fatty avatar seems fun
sweet summit
ideally not, but its possible
modern brook
honestly you'll get more value hitting them seperately
since the cooldowns are "ish"-ly lining up
modern brook
yeah you wouldnt hold either for either
round oasis
any idea the proc-rate on Insignia?
round oasis
any thoughts on the mini-last stand trinket? (the pvp HP on use)
modern brook
tool tip says about 1.5/minute
round oasis
its not enough HP to be meaningful as a cooldown im guessing
open monolith
Yo bolster is great don't get me wrong
But I only take bolster when I feel like I'm not tanky enough
modern brook
its not enough HP to be meaningful as a cooldown im guessing
defensive tinkets are for nerds
open monolith
And so far there is absolutely no content currently in the game that makes me feel that way
round oasis
lol fair enough
modern brook
A str steroid is better defensively due to vanguard and IP scaling
and it helps your dps
open monolith
UF/AM feels sooooooo good with TL
My warrior be demoralizing the enemy all the goddamn time
sweet summit
only HP is kinda shit
modern brook
Its useful in pvp
open monolith
I've actually started to prioritize tclap a tiny bit over shield slam with TL
During AM
sweet summit
ye but you dont play prot in pvp do you
modern brook
and def not in pve
round oasis
cool beans. thanks!
open monolith
Did you know that UF is objectively better than ravager because it is 1 less hot key?
(hides)
open monolith
Lol I use Clique so my ravager is actually shift + left click with a mouse cursor macro
round oasis
ya, i dont have an issue using activates, just wondering how people generally were using it
open monolith
UF just pairs so incredibly well with TL
round oasis
stoppable force?
round oasis
no clue
modern brook
Suck force is p good ngl
open monolith
It's too early in the morning for me to think that hard
Your joke wasn't the problem
Your audience was.
So. My personal BIS trinkets:
open monolith
Hakkar + Haste Field Emitter
That haste field procs constantly. However, it procs on charge at the spot you charged from :(
(no idea what it's actually called)
sturdy sable
I'm using that computations device for milhouse
restive flax
any idea if Emeni or Marileth is better for the raid in the beginning? 🤔
open monolith
@sturdy sable the crit trinket?
sweet summit
quantum device?
sturdy sable
Yeah
open monolith
Oh that's the x'aela trinket
sweet summit
yee
sturdy sable
Its big lol
restive flax
the manastorm one gives you crit btw
restive flax
well it says crit and thats my lowest stat 🤔
open monolith
Manastorm one is crit
restive flax
not worth a trinket slot if its crit
open monolith
X'aela one is ???
uneven mason
Spare Meat Hook and Viscera myself
sturdy sable
I mean the triple question mark one
restive flax
I have the viscera and the anima field emitter. havent been lucky at hakkar yet
open monolith
Yeah that's not manastorm
light thicket
I mean the triple question mark one
That one is fun
light thicket
Ye
restive flax
M+ launches with Narnia
light thicket
Well that's a crossover
open monolith
Oh Castle Nathrezimia is next week too?
restive flax
ye
open monolith
:(
light thicket
Normal and heroic
open monolith
I don't have time for that.
light thicket
Mythic the week after iirc
open monolith
You guys gonna raid first thing or spam m+ first?
humble pebble
i would prepare my thunderlord, but i am uncertain if i should go for boots or hands. any reason for a specific slot? couldnt find anything
light thicket
My raid leader says he's raiding as soon as it opens on his own (outside raiding hours) and im inclined to go with him
open monolith
They are almost identical stat budget Duke.
Go with what is cheaper / you need a replacement for
restive flax
Another approach is checking Narnia loot
uneven mason
hands - there are 2 sets of high haste boots from Castle but only 1 pair of gauntlets
humble pebble
ok, so i wont be fcked later on by picking the "wrong" one
restive flax
we get perfect stats gloves at sludgefist
light thicket
Nah
open monolith
Nathria has 1 gloves and 2 boots drop, all have high haste
modern brook
Doesnt 2nd to last boss drop gloves?
restive flax
what do you mean nah
sweet summit
no boots/gloves from stone legion or denathrius
open monolith
So literally just go with whatever is cheaper and whatever you need more for an upgrade, I think
modern brook
Ahhh
humble pebble
ok ty
modern brook
im thinking leather lol
open monolith
Boots from shriekwing and nikklaus. Gloves from sludgefist
uneven mason
Get out
restive flax
leather warrior 😄
uneven mason
Frigging monk
modern brook
whoa
sweet summit
damn
modern brook
lets not call ppl monks wtf
sweet summit
didnt have to do him like that
light thicket
ok ty
Maybe you should wait and see if first week raiding drops you one of the slots
And then fill the other with the legendary
paper coral
Soooo. If I ask about the general state of prot warrior, am I gonna get flamed? I don't have reflect keybound atm.
light thicket
I mean
paper coral
i said state, not stat.
open monolith
Oh
uneven mason
General state of Prot warrior is haste
humble pebble
They are almost identical stat budget Duke.
"almost" is not identical. so which one has a higher one?
sick sentinel
actually, glad you asked, warrior is still great!
light thicket
Soooo. If I ask about the general state of prot warrior, am I gonna get flamed? ...
I'd flame you for not having spell reflect bound, but not for asking that
sick sentinel
yes, it's not as OP as 8.3, but it is still strong
modern brook
General state of Prot warrior is haste
honestly this
open monolith
@humble pebble it's a difference of like.. 12 armor and 1 secondary stat in favor of boots at higher ilvl (mythic)
uneven mason
Boots are also
humble pebble
<@217683197696147456> it's a difference of like.. 12 armor and 1 secondary stat ...
ty, thats what i wanted to hear. appreciate your help 🙂
open monolith
Bro don't make your decision on something as minor as that
paper coral
Yeah, i haven't played prot warrior since.. uh.. Legion? I've been focusing on primarily Blood DK and a little monk. Sometime during the beta I heard warrior was trash and so never really looked at it, but I was on the VDH discord and it came up and people were talking about how warrior was actually pretty damned good and looked like it would scale amazingly with more gear.
open monolith
Warrior is great.
open monolith
Play warrior.
sick sentinel
in fact I was initially planning to main pally and alt warrior, but all the flak its been getting on forums and stuff has motivated me to main warrior instead now, even if it means I'm a week behind on my lego farming
paper coral
I don't watch Sco. Fuck sco. Fuck Method.
modern brook
and never take into account that a) tanks are incredibly well balanced, in the grand scheme and b) thats 1 guys opinion
uneven mason
@paper coral The people who call prot trash are the same people who roll BrM because having 2 AM buttons was 2 complex for them, so blizzard removed one and made the other 100% passive.
modern brook
My point is just dont listen to other peoples opinions about classes
sick sentinel
<@!119323055230156802> The people who call prot trash are the same people who ro...
this!
modern brook
Players are bad and dont know what they want
uneven mason
Prot is too high IQ for them
needing to consider their AM uptime causes them to fall into epileptic seizures.
paper coral
<@!119323055230156802> The people who call prot trash are the same people who ro...
I actually leveled my BRM monk to 60 first, and I hate it. it's so boring. It's been nice for the 2x4s and the WoO wombocombo is nice, but i'm snoozing the whole time.
modern brook
the only bad part of playing prot is dying to DPS not doing mechanics and having your RL demand you IP more.
light thicket
Prot demands that you actually think about what you are doing
People don't like tgat
That*
paper coral
I switched to VDH and I'm having a lot more fun with stuff to do and having to time my souls and bombs and my spikes.
uneven mason
Mob is casting (not meleeing) - don't use SB, IP is a smoother to use with SB, we have more CDs than anyone else, they're not there to sit on. etc...
uneven mason
VDH gonna get slapped so hard next week I think
pastel sleet
Anyone still using heart of Azeroth for the threat buff?
paper coral
I dunno why, prot pally is highest damage by far. VDH damage is high now because it's all upfront burst in M0.
open monolith
Threat buff? Wat?
sick sentinel
btw, just wanted to get an opinion from all of you, night fae or kyrian? I kinda like both of em aesthetically and like their abilities
open monolith
And can pull 8+ mobs and finish quests in 1 pull
modern brook
You are invincible
and you deal the same amount of damage as fury and arms :^)
paper coral
I haven't looked at prot in SO LONG. My gear is trash.
open monolith
Kyrian
light thicket
Kyrian for me
paper coral
Fuck.
open monolith
NF is fine if you like it better
modern brook
btw, just wanted to get an opinion from all of you, night fae or kyrian? I kinda...
its really preference
open monolith
If the mobs don't move out of NF ability, it's objectively better
modern brook
If absolutely nothing changes, i think NF gets better with renown
light thicket
That spear+ravager combo is really fun
open monolith
But kyrian is easier to use
sick sentinel
its really preference
I know, its just that I prefer both - have half a mind to make 2 warriors! 😛
uneven mason
btw, just wanted to get an opinion from all of you, night fae or kyrian? I kinda...
Venthyr, Condemn the DPS to tears
open monolith
And kyrian aren't furries.
light thicket
Not to mention clutch potion
modern brook
But most of what makes NF busted is locked behind renown 30
and will most likely be brought in line before its relevent
sick sentinel
and will most likely be brought in line before its relevent
makes sense
open monolith
Downside to Kyrian: only 1 soulbind isn't trash
modern brook
THat said if it isnt, you're hard pressed to find a reason to not play NF, regardless of class
open monolith
And even that soulbind isn't great
modern brook
Especially for dungeon content
paper coral
F you guys. my buddies are gonna kill me cause now i wanna level another class.
I have like.. 3 level 5xs
uneven mason
Thats ok
modern brook
fwiw you'll never look back
uneven mason
Warrior will be the last one you'll ever want to level.
Because its all you'll ever need.
restive flax
first and last*
modern brook
by far the coolest tank tbh
uneven mason
🤘
paper coral
The confidence you guys have is astounding.
modern brook
^
paper coral
Like, even the other classes are like "Yeah, but there's this and that"
and you guys are just FUCK THAT FUCK YOU LETS GO\
modern brook
bro our resource is literally mad juice
paper coral
This is truth.
sick sentinel
ofc man, that's the warrior spirit
modern brook
the class is op af
open monolith
Warrior gets charge, it has a glyph that leaves a trail of fire, and it goes "SCREEEOOOOOWWWWWWWW, THUNK"
wooden radish
@ionic fern no pre-raid profile for prot warrior yet?
open monolith
That's all you need to know
sick sentinel
when you're tearing down shit on brute force when others are trying gimmicks, you know what's up
paper coral
I mean, I AM a metalhead, and BDK is fucked this expansion without major fixes.
sour sluice
bro our resource is literally mad juice
i enjoy switching to arms in PvP and spraying my mad juice all over squishies with big thicc crits too
modern brook
man u u gotta @ me in that 😦
sick sentinel
I'll just say one thing, when you shield slam Jailer, his ugly ass teeth gonna fall off faster than he can say "ouch"
sour sluice
😆
restive flax
PJ being Prot in PvP is hella fun too lol
modern brook
Honestly; Revenge being a good button to press is such a good feeling
restive flax
REVENJ
modern brook
I really liked 👢 🍵 👏
light thicket
and you guys are just FUCK THAT FUCK YOU LETS GO\
We enjoy killing shit so much our wounds heal when we do it
modern brook
but SL prot is by far the most fun I've had with the spec
light thicket
How could we NOT feel awesome?
paper coral
I know this is asking a lot, but i'm at work and I can't dive into the wowhead shit, can ya'll break down the class for me briefly? You can tell me to fuck myself instead and it's ok.
modern brook
You use the shield
open monolith
Go fuck yourself
modern brook
and when u cant u ignore it
paper coral
Go fuck yourself
❤️
modern brook
:the class:
open monolith
stomp stomp clap, stomp stomp clap, stomp stomp clap
Prot, 2020
paper coral
Oh, wait, is it tclap spam?
modern brook
My epic meme aside Prot warrior is a cooldown centric tank with powerful but narrow mitigation
open monolith
No
paper coral
thank god
open monolith
More like shield slam spam
modern brook
Oh, wait, is it tclap spam?
thats the intro to we will rock you, typed out
open monolith
Well if you use UF/AM with TL Legendary, then yes it is Tclap spam LOL
Uf tclap does a little less than revenge
And is up every other GCD
modern brook
Does Less is all i read smh
paper coral
I mean, i'm OLDSCHOOL warrior. I was solo tanking Karazhan as a prot warrior. I was speedrunning heroic shattered halls. I was pushing my shield into Anubarak's face because I was blockcapped.
I just.. fell off.
topaz pewter
We still slam shields into faces a lot
modern brook
honestly bro just try it
if you dont like it thats whatever
Just be aware theres a lot more that goes into not being trucked than say monk
rigid edge
Prot warrior is life
paper coral
I'm feeling sick. maybe I should take off work cough cough
open monolith
If you weren't typing "wait until 3 sunders please" at some point in your life, you aren't old school.
modern brook
if you play the spec wrong it feels like BDK without the healing
civic rover
i typed "wait until 3 sunders" when playing classic
paper coral
@open monolith bruh. I did that in vanilla. Now in classic there's no waiting, it's all DW fury meta and I fucking hate it.
modern brook
which is where you get a lot of the hate for the spec from 3head playerbase
civic rover
fuck sunder armor
formal river
I play prot pally in classic
paper coral
I main tanked classic up to late BWL and I hated the dw fury meta. give me a shield.
civic rover
i played bear for a bit in classic, got to level 60, realized i hated classic.
quiet sandal
classic is a chore
modern brook
classic isnt fun smh
formal river
Once I kill KT once I'll call it a day
modern brook
the secret is classic was never fun
open monolith
Last night, I did a thing that made me happy. I made a healer and his 2 dps friends say, "Wow I wish we found you when we started doing mythics. Good to see warriors aren't trash"
I did it. I changed 3 people's opinions.
formal river
Lol it is
modern brook
Yall just were younger
formal river
I've played through 4 private servers
paper coral
yeah, i wasted 9 months of my life in classic before guild drama broke me. I gave my bars and crystals for thunderfury to a bdudy of mine and quit.
formal river
Its ok you dont like it.
rigid edge
Classic is a nostalgia trip, then at the end you remember why retail changed all that it did
civic rover
i thought leveling was fun because I didn't research anything and figured it out on my own
paper coral
I'm not knocing those who like it, I just couldn't.
formal river
Fair enough
civic rover
which imo is the point of classic, back then you couldn't just look shit up
formal river
I like the old school shit. Retail is just a completle different game
modern brook
I love when people think warrior is bad tbh
open monolith
Vanilla WoW was groundbreaking and amazing at the time. Relative to today, it is an objectively bad game ;)
formal river
Disagree sock
open monolith
Nice work Bull
civic rover
bro I play Morrowind every day
modern brook
every worships you for playing vaguely correctly
formal river
Nit objectively. Fun is relative :)
civic rover
i love old school games
open monolith
Right?
open monolith
When I do full pug groups, almost always 1 or 2 dps is behind me in overall
And it makes my pp feel swole
modern brook
could be 3 if u ravagerd :^)
formal river
Ravager is stronk
paper coral
When I do full pug groups, almost always 1 or 2 dps is behind me in overall
That happened to me the first time I tanked a dungeon as vdh this expansion.
civic rover
lol in bfa season 4 if i didn't proc TD on pull no aggro for me
modern brook
That happened to me the first time I tanked a dungeon as vdh this expansion.
tank dps is cheating while leveling
as a btw
formal river
Pacthes are seasons now?
rigid edge
Both are good games.
@formal river Project 99 is amazing, so is EverQuest, great fun to be had
formal river
@rigid edge aye. P99 is too much for me these days. I do TLP servers
Modern convenience in early expansions
open monolith
I had to whisper a warlock yesterday to tell him to take corruption off his bar (he was destro). He was actually really appreciative and thanked me for it. In fact, the karma for my good deed was so great that Marrowfang dropped for me on that run.
Warriors are gifted with great Karma for doing good deeds.
civic rover
with my regular push group, the rogue and boomie were doing like 90-100k overall and the DK was doing something like fucking 120k overall. And I just sat there with my 70k overall with 2/3 of it being TD lol.
modern brook
I had to whisper a warlock yesterday to tell him to take corruption off his bar ...
corruption being "unpruned" is the biggest meme i can tihnk of
Behind maybe fury and arms getting shield block
restive flax
i mean prot got ww
formal river
Intervene being split from charge annoys me
restive flax
I think its much better
rigid edge
I briefly played TLP servers, but it's hard to find time for everything 😅
civic rover
i mean its kind of a win
modern brook
no
formal river
Too many fkin keybinds
restive flax
gives you one more charge
modern brook
its much worse
civic rover
3 charges instead of 2
formal river
And focus keybinds
topaz pewter
Just use a macro, its not hard
formal river
Oh its better
formal river
But more shit to press
restive flax
uhm
topaz pewter
Agian, macro
barren rampart
are tanking trinkets better than dmg trinkets?
modern brook
4head
civic rover
i think the biggest meme is brew getting spinning crane kick when you virtually never use it because RJW passively does more damage LOL
restive flax
the only annoying thing about that would be tracking cd
modern brook
will a macro give me a better talent?
formal river
Still not a fan of it
restive flax
yes it will
modern brook
Its needless bloat
restive flax
Kappa
modern brook
inarguable
formal river
I liked it bundled with charges
topaz pewter
It made us more mobile then we were before, i wouldn't complain
modern brook
it made us more mobile by halving the available targets?
formal river
Not complaining man
paper coral
@civic rover you do use SCK to apply shuffle when faced with spreadout groups but you don't want to put KS on CD.
Just an FYI.
formal river
Complaining would be me shouting to remove it from the game
civic rover
i would meme about "hurr durr extra keybinds bad" but I play with a 12 button mouse and a gamepad so I'd feel bad
formal river
I'm not, it's just annoying
modern brook
Remove it from the game 😠
formal river
Lol
civic rover
you use keg smash on CD anyway
topaz pewter
No, learn how to move
civic rover
and black out kick
modern brook
Never thought I'd see a simp for bad charge smh
civic rover
pretty sure a lot of the dudes in the monk discord were saying it's kind of a useless ability
paper coral
@civic rover Yeah, but if you have a bunch of casters and you need to get shuffle up and hit them adn they're not all in range of KS, you can SCK and tag them all and get shuffle up and group them and KS them.
grand drum
A 2x15 second charge to any target is less mobile than a 15s and 25s charge on half of the available targets? 
modern brook
Do monks still ahve the phyiscal damage buff?
paper coral
@civic rover I get my info from Andybrew. Idgaf about the monk discord. Think about the kind of person who plays monk.
paper coral
If Andybrew or Meeres told me that the sky was red and the entire monk discord told me ti was blue, I would assume the apocalyspse was coming cause red sky.
civic rover
if dorki told me i was a simp i'd believe him
modern brook
We're all Simp's tbh
Strong
Impeccable
Manly
Prots
ngl i had strong and impeccable going into that
and i didnt know how i was going to close it but i already jumped in so
civic rover
i wouldn't call myself strong and impeccable
i'd say i'm more
Fat
American
Gun loving
modern brook
oh no
sick sentinel
I love my beard, I enjoy my beer and I was born to be a warrior
civic rover
I love my beard, I enjoy my beer and I was born to be a warrior [2]
paper coral
i wouldn't call myself strong and impeccable
MURRICA
sick sentinel
haha
light thicket
Can i still be a warrior if i hate my beard?
sick sentinel
why not, you could love to hate your beard
civic rover
bro you could be 5'1 90 lbs and still be a warrior
paper coral
I love my beard, I enjoy my beer and I was born to be a warrior
My instacart driver accidentally gave me a 4pack of beer intended for another person. Lol.
sick sentinel
ofc we'd frown a bit at you and call you fish
but we'd happily offer you a good 'ol mug'o ale
civic rover
i feel like this discord is a lot like the dwarves from the hobbit
sick sentinel
lol
paper coral
Leif, it's more like swoleacceptance subreddit.
civic rover
😳
paper coral
civic rover
i hope its satire
paper coral
Swole Father who art in the gym,
Hallowed be thy gains
Thy PR comes
They lifts be done,
On the bench as it is in the power rack,
Give us this day our daily macros,
And forgive us our failed PRs,
As we forgive those who curl in the squat rack
And lead us not into laziness,
But deliver us from plateaus,
For thine is the squat, the dead and the bench
Forever and ever,
Wheymen
light thicket
Far over the misty mountains cold...
civic rover
bro in high school that was my senior song in choir
paper coral
Swoleacceptance satire? It's a little joking, but it also deals with actual issues that lifters run into. It's a good subreddit.
sick sentinel
Swole Father who art in the gym,
Hallowed be thy gains
Thy PR comes
They lifts b...
Amen
paper coral
Does race matter for prot warrior now?
civic rover
no
civic rover
pick panda
paper coral
I mean, my guys a tauren from back in the day.
steady fiber
Hi all, it's better to craft now leg or it's better to wait ? :/
civic rover
wait for mythic week in case tuning changes things
steady fiber
ok
sick sentinel
I’m waiting
light thicket
Likewise
civic rover
is that the MOP challenge mode set?
paper coral
Ye
sick sentinel
I got a Night Elf warrior and a Zandalari Troll as well...enjoy EM both
proper orchid
I crafted rank 1 Thunderlord today... a rank 1 is no big loss in Soulash and I rather play with a leggy when I can than playing without one
civic rover
gross
steady fiber
does thunder help allot ?
civic rover
elf 
proper orchid
Thunderlord is BiS at the moment
civic rover
it's looking to be pretty good in M+ yes
paper coral
Leif, thanks for noticing. 😛 i'm not a huge fan of it, but it's nice to get noticed.
proper orchid
In m+, yeah
civic rover
in raid/defensive situations the wall will probs be better
steady fiber
and second question, does leg like Thunderlord locked to spec if i want to farm it (drop it) or it's locked on class
civic rover
i think it's locked on class, like conduits.
proper orchid
It drops anyway, no matter the specc
steady fiber
oh so i dnt need to run all the time change loot prio spec 😄
dim cedar
in raid/defensive situations the wall will probs be better
yes "The Wall" is better for raids
civic rover
my pandas currently wearing the mythic BoD set i think
idk i change my characters mogs every week
sick sentinel
RN we just got two dependable legos, wall and thunderlord- others are situational or for flavour
indigo zealot
hello, i have a question, i dont really get the legendaries. I just got memory of the thunderlord but i cant make a chest with it on?
civic rover
so thunderlord can only be crafted on gloves or boots
modern brook
each legendary can only be made on 1 of 2 slots
sick sentinel
my pandas currently wearing the mythic BoD set i think
Ohh good, thought I was the only one
civic rover
mythic BoD is a nice set
indigo zealot
ah, that kinda sucks but thanks for the info
civic rover
oh wait no he's wearing the mythic tomb of sargeras set with some random green sword and the bulwark of azzinoth lmao
proper orchid
so thunderlord can only be crafted on gloves or boots
The guide on wowhead said to take boots preferably since there are less nice boots in the first tier than gloves
woeful stirrup
are u guys usually playing with DR or not?
proper orchid
DR? Not up to speed with the whole abbreviations
civic rover
dragon roar
cosmic canyon
I play with it
woeful stirrup
dragon Roar sry
civic rover
i mean it's still solid but booming voice seems to be the better of the two atm
cant go wrong with either talent tho imo
proper orchid
Booming voice is nice with Thunderlord to get even more rage faster
Also I honestly like passive talents... I don’t need more buttons to push XD
cosmic canyon
This is how I calculate it; but it's just an abbreviation slightly scewwed in advantage of BV.
two examples
20% damage 35% of the time = 7% damage.
DR = 7% damage
Wanna lower it?
20% damage 25% of the time = 5% damage
DR = 5% damage
Once you run TGV; if yo choose to get it. BV becomes the only viable choice Tho.
atm DR is really neat to get quick snap threat on pulls
and since we have a lot of downtime in our rotation with Devastator the alternative cost for another global isnt that big
the example I wrote above is taken from a dungeon; if your uptime on Demo is 35% or 25% (with BV 20% damage buff during this time) compared to if you instead ran DR and it did a total of 7% / 5% of your damage.
even getting above 20% uptime on Demo today is troublesome.
civic rover
you're giving my dumbass a headache
jagged pier
what is this napkin maths any logs?
civic rover
MATH 
jagged pier
like mwahi has logs and sims
cosmic canyon
yes and in pure damage they're pulling equal
sick sentinel
Guys I have a question. I am a Kyrian warrior and wonder what is the most optimal soulbind for prot wise for M+s mostly but also for raids.
cosmic canyon
according to his sims
jagged pier
@ionic fern can we get that sim picture again of DR vs BV
flint cliff
Can we use leaper legendary as prot? Or whats the catch with this legendary? On "paper" it sounds insane leaping like a vengeance dh...
civic rover
Pelagos
it used to be competitive between Pelagos and Kleia but Pelagos def on top after the nerfs to Kleia
sick sentinel
I kinda like Mikanikos for those knockbacks in M+s + 3 defensive conduits
Like do you really need to pump your dmg as tank?
jagged pier
I mean theres no need to be defensive
sour sluice
yes of course! #bloodforthebloodgod
paper coral
#skullsfortheskullthrone
sour sluice
#skullsfortheskullthrone
uneven mason
Like do you really need to pump your dmg as tank?
It can't hurt you if its dead.
paper coral
It can't hurt you if its dead.
The best defense is a good offense.
paper coral
https://tenor.com/view/heresy-blasphemy-warhammer-40k-gif-18801619
Looks like I have to make a suitable metal playlist for warrior.
feck.
jaunty tiger
Have you done the quest ' The final pieces' ?
how can i get the memory restored item?
sour sluice
just play the Doom Eternal Soundtrack
jaunty tiger
It is a quest for completing 1250 soulassh souls
paper coral
just play the Doom Eternal Soundtrack
I mean.. yes? But not long enough. You want some samples of stuff i'm looking at?
proper orchid
Like do you really need to pump your dmg as tank?
A good Tank friend of mine once said: Dead mobs can’t hurt you... dmg is the best Defense 😂
ionic fern
This is how I calculate it; but it's just an abbreviation slightly scewwed in ad...
Just stop, please.
...
I already posted sims yesterday
paper coral
Wait, what the hell are those numbers?
ionic fern
Aoe.
paper coral
Oh. LOL.
cosmic canyon
whatever
paper coral
I mean, it's high, but I was looking at ST target damage before, adn i'm like.. what te fuck.
chilly brook
Like do you really need to pump your dmg as tank?
In an expansion where threat is an "issue" theres even less of a reason to have this backwards mentality that tank damage is meaningless and you should only focus on making yourself as tanky as possible
cosmic canyon
Like stacking verse for pushing keys etc, very bad indeed.
chilly brook
You mean stacking vers for 19s? Lol
cosmic canyon
thus my ; whatever
you've got your bias and I'm not gonna try and change your mind
ionic fern
It's not biased.
If you can't handle 20-25 keys without Vers then that's on your own bad play.
.....
strong forum
Math =/= Bias
jagged pier
if you shows logs and sims to support stuff we probably wouldnt mind napkin maths is just dogshit
ionic fern
How is prot warrior Single target, if you don't mind?
This is pre-raid profile.
shut summit
cosmic canyon
if you shows logs and sims to support stuff we probably wouldnt mind napkin math...
talk for yourself and stop using "we"
jagged pier
^^
cosmic canyon
Mwahi why don't you post the ST sim? Also is it 2 minute? 3 minute? Dungeon slice? 5 targets? 15 targets?
paper coral
This is pre-raid profile.
So i'd compare that to the numbers here? http://simulationcraft.org/reports/PR_Raid.html
cosmic canyon
I'm refering to the DR/BV discussion; the above is the AOE scenario, what is the ST scenario
chilly brook
"I was wrong"
"Theres no way I could have been wrong"
"It must have been mwahis fault and he fucked up the profile"
"Yeah that's it, it's the sim length and targets!"
cosmic canyon
also, the other variables
paper coral
As mwahi stated before
Sorry, i haven't been active here. Not paying attention. trying o catch up.
strong forum
Is fine
chilly brook
paper coral
Whats DR?
ionic fern
Dragon Roar.
jagged pier
dragon roar
naive mauve
Who of you is currently playing the Prot Warrior as a main tank? Or did you all change for S1 too? ^^
paper coral
ahh
naive mauve
I'm afraid he's going to take too much damage in the Keys.
ionic fern
I got no idea why you're arguing about DR - if you like it, play it. Easy as that.
shut summit
Always prot
ionic fern
Just don't come here spewing nonsense.
warm warren
what is the legendary of choice for prot warrior running keys?
strong forum
Thunderlord
cosmic canyon
Nonsense? Like DR helps with snap threat?
chilly brook
What snap threat do you need lmao
astral crystal
S P E A R
jagged pier
also wasnt your point you were talking in terms of damage
cosmic canyon
my point, had you read it; was manyfaced
chilly brook
Like BV with spear and ravager is all the snap threat you need on top of revenge
strong forum
I'm afraid he's going to take too much damage in the Keys.
Pwar doesn't take alot of dmg, so idk chief
winter plume
Is prot warrior really as bad as people are making them out to be? I was considering building it out on my Arms but don't want to waste the time if it's shit
strong forum
Defensively all tanks are pretty close, with a few niche cases
jagged pier
any one of them is enough @chilly brook
chilly brook
my point, had you read it; was manyfaced
No your point was arguing for DR but not really having a good point
strong forum
Is prot warrior really as bad as people are making them out to be? I was conside...
No
cosmic canyon
and with this I go back to my original statement "whatever"
chilly brook
As you always do
strong forum
http://www.twitch.tv/nomeratur/v/823379083?sr=a&t=10s @winter plume
barren rampart
hey are dmg trinkets better than tanky trinkets for prot warrior?
jagged pier
usually
strong forum
99% of the time
chilly brook
"Oh no someone gave me push back I'm going to act like I was right and everyone else is just wrong and instead of admitting fault I'm going to brush it off"
strong forum
There's only 2 good tank trinket currently, and only 1 available
chilly brook
strong forum
Well okay 3 tank trinkets, 2 coming from raid
1 being the hakkar trinket from de other side, that's a very good tank trinket
jagged pier
darkmoon isnt bad though
civic rover
im still using vita
mellow patio
winter plume
Thanks @strong forum . Looks like they can handle big pulls just fine.
strong forum
If I had played bolster
I wouldn't have had to run out
But I leapt out cuz I ran out of defensives
uneven mason
Y so bad Nom
winter plume
All the war hate can be demotivasting. Good to see it can play out
strong forum
The bleed I cleansed with potion
mellow patio
I heard prot war makes you lag
strong forum
mellow patio
Evidence: nomes stream
ionic fern
@cosmic canyon there you go.
chilly brook
otherwise dmg trinks are better?
For the most part yes because a lot of times dps trinkets are straight stat procs or stat on use and unless you're actually using a tank trinket to the best extent possible then you gain far more defense from the stats. Also tank trinkets like I eluded to earlier require a lot of craziness to be able to justify using them almost on CD in order for them to become an alternative to most DPS trinkets.
mellow patio
Where are my stat sticks
chilly brook
And used to their full extent
strong forum
And more often than not, they're just bad
strong forum
Or too long CD to justify
mellow patio
Speak for yourself platinum plating was really really good
chilly brook
Where are my stat sticks
Where my arcanocrystal at tho
sweet summit
BSC 📈
chilly brook
Tbh I kinda like the idea of the trinket from kaal in the dungeon but its CD is way too long
still pagoda
<@!127801281669496832> there you go.
disparity in 3020031 parses 
that's some good RNG there bruh
strong forum
Kek
chilly brook
@strong forum so I did some dungeons on my DH last night while leveling....
jagged pier
I'm with Erga BSC 📈
chilly brook
This shit is so stupid
cosmic canyon
@ionic fern thanks for all the hard work you put into it, I mean no disrespect.
Cheers
civic rover
so is there a reason why sunblooded amethyst doesnt drop for warrior
mellow patio
Doesn’t feel like it
strong forum
This shit is so stupid
Yup
Just pull without regard to your group, you can solo it anyway
strong forum
Vdh, King of low dungies
cosmic canyon
i'm running 3030012 and I like it a lot.
paper coral
http://www.twitch.tv/nomeratur/v/823379083?sr=a&t=10s <@172387584150994945>
Question about that, when you say you soloed that as vengance, im confued what you mean. Do you think warrior did bad or good there?
strong forum
I soloed it as vdh on normal
mellow patio
As much as I can get my grubby hands on without dropping ilvl
paper coral
Right, but that wasn't normal, right? that was m0.
strong forum
Whilst leveling, because vdh has meta/feldev/cheat death can deal with this shit very easily as it is also uncapped
Yes this was m0
Vdh is very stupid strong for uncapped aoe dmg
chilly brook
I did that pull you clipped as a DH and the monk died becuase he got off his mount and started hitting shit while I was grabbing everything and at first was like "troll?"
mellow patio
People who hate apes
chilly brook
Plus I was just random dungeoning
paper coral
Yeah, i know vdh is strong for uncapped. It's powerful now but I don't think it will scale super well in later keys for thta kind of damage. I was impressed by the pull you clipped, i'm just confused. Do you mean VDH would have done better or worse on the same pull in m0?
strong forum
Warri didn't do bad, it did really well all things considered. And like I said, if I had played Bolster instead of AM I would've been even better
Vdh would've done better I reckon yes
No bias there
mellow patio
In m0 it would have died faster as a dh
As the key level gets higher, war likely going to survive a bit better
When the front loaded dh damage isn’t enough to melt an entire pack
strong forum
Every vdh with self respect
mellow patio
Almost every dh who does meaningful m+ lmao
strong forum
Nobody runs quickened in m+
strong forum
mellow patio
chilly brook
No joke knocking 12 seconds off the CD for nothing extra is nice if you just wanna pump
gilded tendonBOT
paper coral
Right, yeah, i'm not looking at that clip as the end-all-be-all of tanking. It was still impressive.
some classes would have just straight up fell over there. Like BDK.
strong forum
Imagine if my dps moved with me and didn't tag anything before me
chilly brook
I don't think I would have survived that pull as a BDK tbh
strong forum
But everything was omega spread and dps late
paper coral
anyway, followed your channel.
strong forum
Thx
mellow patio
I’m going to lurk on your stream in incognito
sour sluice
ima show up in that shit like orks in 40k
paper coral
side question, hows prot warrior self sustain for soloing and shit? Is it still the one skill where you can heal after killing something?
mellow patio
Yes victory rush
strong forum
You can solo everything
sour sluice
heal? how dare you imply i took a noteworthy amount of damage during the fight!
cosmic canyon
You also have Indomitable & IP
strong forum
Everything you should be able to solo*
mellow patio
Indomitable provides a good amount of healing to quench your thirst
sick sentinel
side question, hows prot warrior self sustain for soloing and shit? Is it still ...
don't need that man, you got IP, shield block and a plethora of defensive CD's
cosmic canyon
normally keeping you afloat
paper coral
Ok. yeah cause one of the issues I had with BRM monk is that while they have a lot of mitigation, they're ability to heal is dogshit. I'm either healing out of combat or using healing elixir.
sick sentinel
Ok. yeah cause one of the issues I had with BRM monk is that while they have a l...
BRM defensives work differently than prot's
strong forum
Their ability to heal gets better in m+ actually
sick sentinel
prot avoids damage, and BRM staggers it
paper coral
Wel your first problem is you played beta brewmaster
I make a lot of gold with my brm in 2x4s
lol
sick sentinel
when pulling big mobs you get plenty rage for IP and then a lot of VR procs as well
honest plinth
it was the same for normal and m0?
mellow patio
Lmao rip to the nerds who spammed
strong forum
it was the same for normal and m0?
Apparently
I'm now more happy that I didn't even attempt to grind
Sucks to be you, whoever grinded
crimson prism
I don't understand how that fixes players from leaving heroics or M0
mellow patio
Oh yeah grinding is only for people who thirst for borrowed power
naive panther
Sucks I wasted my m0 already
strong forum
Same
chilly brook
I tried carrying someone through layer 3 of torghast yesterday as prot
Never again at least not now
mellow patio
Yeah it’s kind of ass tbh
chilly brook
Blob boss fucked me hard
mellow patio
Carrying as prot is not ideal just because of the way Torghast scales
chilly brook
The stacking damage done buff of the boss is just stupid
chilly brook
Soloing torghast isn't bad
But trying to carry someone gets kinda messy
At the last boss anyways
astral crystal
yeah soloing is braindead but i agree with hawgz, carrying is another story
astral crystal
adding party members cucks your damage hard
chilly brook
Ye but was your shaman helping
mellow patio
If your 2nd man is decent it’s fine
strong forum
Yes
mellow patio
If they aren’t it’s not
chilly brook
Yea
strong forum
But I wouldn't have pulled as big
chilly brook
It was legit a carry trial run
chilly brook
Like tbh I don't think (unless you get super lucky with good powers) carrying as a tank is the play
civic rover
ye its not like visions where u have TD and can pull everything
strong forum
All you need, is 1 power
Shattering throw does 10.000% more dmg
Done
Boss = gone
crimson prism
Yeah, when I duo'd with a enh, we skipped a few packs. I also do it as fury though
chilly brook
Yet to see that power tbh
Also DK in Mort'regar is omegalul
Control undead the one mob that does that swirly hail cast and blast everything for 20k dps
mellow patio
First of all
chilly brook
mellow patio
You wanna hear an omega lul
We ran a group of 4 in mortregar and 2 men got the power that does like 50% of elite hp and we legit saved it for the last boss. I had the one that does 10% hp on Interrupt and kills at 10%. We killed the final boss in 7 seconds
open monolith
the shattering throw thing is great. So is "execute can be used whenever and does double damage" mixed with rage mote.
mellow patio
I wish I would have streamed it
fallow mortar
I am just here waiting patiently for the sims
sour sluice
cobalt grove
I love it as fury with rage mote. Like, ah yes I will just rampage you to death
sterile hearth
Hey, should I craft thunderlord legendary now? Or wait so I can go to higher ilvl gear in the next few weeks?
cobalt grove
Because I'm bi-specual.
sweet summit
you dont lose any soul ash, the upgrade costs the difference in soul ash+the new item level item. so you "only lose gold"
im personally waiting for mythic week
mostly because i dont have thunderlord yet
sterile hearth
i got thunderlord in my first try
woven radish
🎉 🎉 🎉
sweet summit
unlikely they change something, but there is still a chance
sterile hearth
ok
sterile hearth
so buy 1, and then just stay with 1 until go directly to 4
uneven mason
🤷♂️
paper coral
yeah. save abunch of gold that way.
woven radish
I'm going 2-4, want main start at least relative to higher end content
Stat*
Also.... the longer we wait to craft first lego, the more time you have for markets to get a bit more flooded and drop pricing
mint gorge
have raid legendary memories been confirmed as 100% drop chance?
uneven mason
Is the raid out?
Must've slept for a week.
We dunno, IIRC during beta they were seemingly 100%
but that may have just been to get them out for testing purposes
fallow mortar
if they aren't 100% people are probably going to rage
uneven mason
and that we're going to have a legion level of excitement getting benched because of RNGesus hate
that being said, Fury and Prot both have solid options outside of the raid drops
Arms could probably make due with the Arbitor but IDK how close we'll be to revered
potent anvil
If you've done everything that offers rep thus far, you'll be 6k+ into honored. So most likely revered some time during mythic week, I imagine.
As for legendary drop rate, we can assume 100% if we were to translate what was happening during beta. But, speculation nonetheless 🤷
paper coral
Deswind, seeing you say that makes me realize how much my indecision has cost me. Kind of sucks. I haven't done any of that.
potent anvil
To be fair, I missed a few days of WQs because of holiday and work stuff. So, I'll definitely won't be revered some time during mythic 😞
naive panther
I’ve been remodeling just happy I got 60 and my soul ash.
weak zealot
Quick question since they dont seem mentioned in the pin/guides (unless I just missed it). Are the pvp trinkets better than some of the dungeon ones? I see a raw haste with str proc one, or raw str with a health boost?
potent anvil
Haste/str one is pretty strong once upgraded.
weak zealot
so is boosting the haste one up to 184 on tuesday better than any of the mythic ones?
potent anvil
It won't be a bad investment, if anything.
Just up to you if you want to farm the honor to upgrade.
weak zealot
ehh with the BG weekly quest, ive got honor to spare
chilly brook
Well gentlemen, between raid, m+ and this idk how I'm going to get any sleep next week
modern brook
paper coral
Man, the timing actually kind of sucks.
I wanna work on my characters nad get them to 60 nad geared, but I also want to be a hackermanz
chilly brook
That's why I'm going kinda hard now
strong forum
why should you
you get 300 Victory Rushes
because you kill everything yourself
so impending victory loses 100% value
pure dust
But victory rush has cds
pure dust
Só.indomitable?
strong forum
Indom, yes
strong forum
Ravager
strong forum
thats up to you
hardy fractal
anybody tried thunderlord yet
proper orchid
anybody tried thunderlord yet
Crafted it today, only tried it in hc so far and liked it. Gonna test it in M0 tomorrow evening with my dudes
The extra rage combined with Booming Voice is nice
strong forum
it doubles the effectiveness from BV
and you get higher uptime on 20% DR
sooo, you wont notice a huge difference, but itll be there
pure dust
Ty
modern pulsar
SHould I hold onto my soul ash if my focus is raiding for The Wall since it only drops in Castle or should I craft thunderlord while I wait. Just don't want to waste the resource
strong forum
if you craft TGV R1 now, you will only lag 1 week behind on getting the wall to Rank 4
and i severely doubt, that you need a rank 4 leggo on 2nd mythic week that badly
proper orchid
It might be because I am a newbie to tanking, but I think having a R1 Leggy when starting to raid is better than none.. the item is 190, and the effect is the same as R4 since the effects don’t scale as much as I know.
signal plover
and tgv will make the m+ spam silky smooth
karmic heron
Effects dont scale at all its the stats from the rank of item that increase