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neat dirge
surreal stump
anything over 5 will suck
chrome kraken
i had some problems with that until i switched to ravager
neat dirge
It's really hard, the rogue plays sub
He goes full ham, warrior does condemn
Everyone is ilvl 180 ish
surreal stump
do like i do watch them die and laugh with rage as you point out they shoulda held off a second
neat dirge
Its only like within the first 5 sec of pull
surreal stump
i am also an asshole tho
neat dirge
Why should they hold off a sec, I should be able to hold aggro
still pagoda
Usually it is people going apeshit right when you only charge in
Had a wonderful night looking how DK went 20k dps without ripping threat off of me yesterday
surreal stump
nah they nerfed threat down, and then buffed it and its still not great, and if you wanna load up debuffs before you go ham anyone can rip off you
neat dirge
My warrior dps said, its harder to steal aggro from DK tank
Do warrior tank have some issues?
I know they arnt great and all
But are they really that much worse then the other tanks?
still pagoda
My warrior dps said, its harder to steal aggro from DK tank
for now. DK has real threat issues if your dps are "good" yet go apeshit
Uncapped blood boil makes it seem like its harder to rip
Yet it is not
neat dirge
Cuz the rogue and warrior are linking dps on every pull
I don't mind, they are my irl buddies
They are good players
Just very dps horny
Well it's in mythic 0, it's faceroll anyways
I just get sad when they over aggro me
lavish oracle
I mean, what covenant talents are you playing?
'Cause you could always go full DPS talents
neat dirge
I'm using basic one
Devastator double time, booming voice crackling thunder, indomitable, unstoppable force, anger management
And kyrian covenant
Sometimes I swap out crackling thunder for bounding strife
lavish oracle
How's a rogue pulling threat anyways, they've got tricks
sweet summit
Make sure youre using revenge mate
sick sentinel
Im having threat issues as well with Prot Surewin. Usually when dps are blowing big cds. I had to run ravager to fix it. However, once we get the conduits I think it should fix it? That and revenging at the start is a good snap point for aggro in the beginning of a pull.
sweet summit
Challanging shout is great, its even off the gcd
neat dirge
I minigun revenge and thunderclap
sweet summit
Ya same
neat dirge
Nah we are all around 180 ilvl
sweet summit
Covenant, talents, logs?
neat dirge
I'm kyrian , said talent above
Everyone plays optimal talents and convanent
I don't log mythic dungeons
sick sentinel
Halberad, whats your comp?
still pagoda
Devastator double time, booming voice crackling thunder, indomitable, unstoppabl...
i play with ravager/bolster right now
deep steppe
UF over Rav @neat dirge ? Rav is hyuge
still pagoda
threat is fine
deep steppe
@sick sentinel team comp or like, my stuff?
still pagoda
UF over Rav <@!149054636148523008> ? Rav is hyuge
they are statistically the same if you are playing AM
sick sentinel
team
still pagoda
ravager may "feel" better, but it won't matter DPS-wise
neat dirge
UF?
deep steppe
Unstoppable force
sick sentinel
Unstoppable Force @neat dirge
neat dirge
Ah
sweet summit
Rav was better dps wise before tgv at least
deep steppe
I rotate the guildies out so the only consistent player is a disc priest
neat dirge
But I have thunderlord legendary
deep steppe
i've run with hunters, rogues, mages, shadow
surreal stump
i think threat isues are always happening at start unless you have uncapped aoe < blood dk> just swap targets and hit em as you pull and it they still pull threat mark a main target and tell em to give you few seconds to aoe
neat dirge
I don't wanna swap out UF
surreal stump
my paladin has more threat issues than war
still pagoda
Rav **was** better dps wise before tgv at least
not everyone is rushing to craft leggos
surreal stump
and my bear can f off
still pagoda
neither i'm going to grind heroics rn
surreal stump
also spires doesnt drop me shit imma end up having nightmares
neat dirge
It took me 14 runs
surreal stump
im 20 in
neat dirge
I hope y'all get lucky and get it
sick sentinel
I dont think youll have top Sure. I think once the raid comes out, that issue should go away. Or at the very least, it shouldnt be as noticeable as it is now.
neat dirge
π
sick sentinel
But trying to hold aggro with a enhance popping off at 6-12k a pull? Like man. Hard af without spear.
Or ANY damage cd.
neat dirge
Yeah with spear I hold aggro
deep steppe
I find alternating who i cast shield slam on helps if things look sus
surreal stump
i use spear by self avatar by self and demo shout by self each help get snappy agro. alto i see another mage pulling imma watch that fucker die
neat dirge
Mash revenge and thunderclap
sick sentinel
Hal, do you do what Adydar said above?
surreal stump
thats just when im spamming heroic
surreal stump
you have to on heroics
sick sentinel
Id never tell a dps to hold cds.
deep steppe
I do big pulls with all cds
surreal stump
u just dont have enough time between packs
deep steppe
and then smaller pulls in between
surreal stump
on mythics depends on dps if u need too or not
sick sentinel
Ah, I might have to do that then. I do medium then small pulls.
deep steppe
maybe, I go big ->small/med till cds -> big again
sick sentinel
Like 5-6. 5-6.5-6. 3.
surreal stump
well depends on mobs/place id say
surreal stump
in spires spam im just poping one and keep going
sick sentinel
Ill have to try that. Might be the way to do. Cause constant medium pulls usually end up me losing one or two adds.
surreal stump
and if your doing harder dungeons with a crew you know you can work that shit out easy mode. healer you can trust changes so much shit
sick sentinel
Unless I have a damage cd.
Granted its not EVERY time but its enough to make me question./
deep steppe
find a healer you trust and just run with them for a long time
I have a healer and he and i run shit together all the time, to feel each other out
surreal stump
yeah im more flexible if a healers half awake its easy to heal me
but if they dumb as rocks i get so mad
hell ive don 3/4 of spires without a healer now cause they afk at door
leave
deep steppe
depending on the mobs/boss, prot has the potential to live for a pretty long time
surreal stump
i dunno wtf is up with healers there
deep steppe
so if my healer is dumb, I'll survive with them dead to prove a point
sometimes it works
sometimes i find a new healer
surreal stump
yeah and heal X2 potion, cookie
last stand rallying cry with servant potion is almost full heal when almost dead lol
surreal stump
run earlier warlock had blueberry out
that was annoying for threat bars
just relax do what works for you honestly and dont let someone ripping threat upset you
watch em die
tell em well you should control your threat issues
makes them very angry
modern brook
Blue berry shouldnt be taunting in instsnced content
Rather
The void walker doesnt auto cast taunt unless told to by the lock
In instanced xontent
surreal stump
its aoe and threat increase still works. what was shitty about it was trying to group shit up I am very very old school mobs must be in nice pile so everyones aoe hits and shit, lol
i just would taunt the voidwalkers target
the warlock was doing the least dps in group soo you know how that is, hes learning a spec or something
or bad. either way same shit
still pagoda
why would you even use blueberry out in a dungeon?
that's just... not right at all
especially with affli and demo
surreal stump
i have no idea i think in bfa blueberry was best aoe dps for a bit but i havent seen that in a while
ok im done fuck spires ill see ya guys tomorrow lol
sweet summit
Pet damage is normalized afaik, so it doesnt matter
chrome kraken
Gonna be mt in a raid on launch for the first time
still pagoda
Gonna be mt in a raid on launch for the first time
seriously, if you're new to raid tanking, just read guides and you'll be fine
it's a tank swap snoozefest after all
chrome kraken
Ive tanked before but only after ive out geared the raid
Just excited to see how much harder it is on week 1
still pagoda
not really
you will get how it works in 2-3 pulls and look at how DPS and healers die from trivial mistakes for the next 40-50 pulls
chrome kraken
Sounds exhilarating
sick sentinel
is Prot a good spec to level up with? is it comparable to Veng DH?
fluid shard
i leveled prot and it was easy as fuck and i was ownin alliance in PVP
sick sentinel
i wont be doing pvp, just pve stuff. i liked the dh self sustain and hoping if it will be possible to pull everything without fear of dying
smoky wave
Levelling was an aoe fest. As long as you get stuff killed for victory rush you'll be fine with big pulls.
fleet quail
Do you guys know if the droprate for our legio in spires is higher in hc then normal?
smoky wave
Just remember to use your cds proactively on bigger pulls.
It's thought so, but no ones got concrete evidence of it.
Lucked out and got it first try on normal
fleet quail
Okey, so worth just spamming I guess
smoky wave
Yup, only solution to it sorry!
That last boss is obnoxious though. Watching other people (and myself) miss is just painful.
fleet quail
Thx for the fast reply! Just sawped over to prot π
still pagoda
Do you guys know if the droprate for our legio in spires is higher in hc then no...
wait for m+ if you want to get it easily
don't waste your time and nerves with rng in normals and hc
still pagoda
potion of phantom fire on ST and light cleave
potion of empowered exorcisms on 4+ targets
Lightless Force on weapon
you can also use potion of spectral strength as a general use one
eager phoenix
what will next weeks affixes be? fort - bolst - grievous?
barren widget
I think itβs fort, bolster, and storming.
still pagoda
so im assuming i shouldnt use the general potion?
why not, you should
phantom fire and empowered exorcisms are purely DPS potions
eager phoenix
is there a list for SL affixes? i just defaulted to mythicpl.us
still pagoda
while spectral strength is your typical str pot
chilly brook
Wouldn't we want to use sharpening/whetstones and not oils
worn gulch
Is there a list with some routes and pulls? I would like to try them out on m0. Like a list made of information from the beta
charred fable
i should be putting haste and crit on my lego yes?
chilly brook
Since Attack Power is calculated into IP
still pagoda
Wouldn't we want to use sharpening/whetstones and not oils
Buffing your potions
eager phoenix
or well, i know the affixes. i was interested in the weekly affix rotation for SL
still pagoda
more DEEEPS
barren widget
Naoweh has some good videos on a few of the dungeons.
neat dirge
IP?
still pagoda
More attack power is more deeps
dunno, @ionic fern may have fucked up with sims.
still pagoda
You say that but IP be doing some work for me
for now. Wait till M+ and mythic raid and it will come back to its place of barely working rage dump
neat dirge
ah
still pagoda
Mwahi is BiS
human factor is always there
still pagoda
he's BiS anyway
dejacharacterstats and advanced tooltips
just configure it properly
neat dirge
which one of those two do u recommend?
still pagoda
otherwise it will look clunky as fuck
still pagoda
which one of those two do u recommend?
both lol
as both impact different parts of ui
chilly brook
Not bad for being a class that I've been pugging basically and not even done more than half of my m0s this week
Haste is low af tho
π©
still pagoda
rng of gear as usual
neat dirge
isnt that darkmoon trinket
still pagoda
just wait for m+
neat dirge
really bad?
neat dirge
yeah i heard its beyond bad
still pagoda
i bought it just to test
still pagoda
indom deck is beyond redemption
still pagoda
while voracity is actually strong as on-use
chilly brook
I really just grabbed it initially because it was cheap as hell and I wanted to ilvl boost when I hit 60 so I could spam lfg
still pagoda
voracity cost like 100k until yesterday
when prices finally dropped to 20k on Draenor
chilly brook
Also glad I picked up the shield when it was like 30k
Cuz pretty sure BoEs shot up in price again
I just need a ring, cape and neck
chilly brook
My guild group is already pissed my blood dk is 184
And here I am with an alt that's 181
π
still pagoda
neat dirge
have only done 2 mythic dungeons today
still pagoda
177 on warri
neat dirge
my teammates had work
chilly brook
I say alt
neat dirge
but 179 now hopefully i get to replace my shit
still pagoda
you guys are lucky
chilly brook
But tbh I'm probably going to push to play warrior
still pagoda
got so many same slot items that this is beyond repair now
neat dirge
need new shield, neck back and trinket
and cuz my entire party has epic neck im prob gooup
neat dirge
i have insecurtable quantom
i think ill stay with that one
i perf not to have 2 use trinkets ngl
chilly brook
Vial is so good
still pagoda
only worthwhile 2 are blood-splattered scale from hakkar and Sanguine Vintage from Sire Denathrius
still pagoda
i mean ngl i think insecurtable quantom
long cooldown makes it really meh
if you want haste on-use, voracity will do the job better
neat dirge
otherwise 600 haste for 20 sec isnt that bad
still pagoda
just as both absorb trinkets i mentioned before
neat dirge
if im low the trinket heals me
chilly brook
Eh
neat dirge
if it can execute, it does 10k dmg
still pagoda
healing from trinkets is always the worst thing you can get
still pagoda
if it can execute, it does 10k dmg
waste of 3 min CD
chilly brook
I don't wanna trinket that does different things depending on the situation
still pagoda
i mean its 6k heal
garbage
I don't wanna trinket that does different things depending on the situation [2]
trinket must be stable in what it does
chilly brook
6k heal on a 3 minute CD is horrible
still pagoda
^
chilly brook
You can't
neat dirge
just use it correct, make sure no healer is close to u
chilly brook
If you're doing actual content
neat dirge
?
neat dirge
yeah gimme
chilly brook
You can dip low but want the haste and if you use it in that window you essentially wasted the trinket
still pagoda
you get second best trinket you can get
inscrutable device is garbage
not worth it at all
chilly brook
Too many external factors
still pagoda
does too many things with horrible results
chilly brook
If the boss is 20% and your trinket comes up
Youd get more damage out of the haste than the 10k
neat dirge
yupp probably
still pagoda
10k on 3min cd is a joke
one trick with voracity deck
you can macro it into avatar
it lines up perfectly if you're playing with bolster
neat dirge
i have thunderlord
neat dirge
so im using angermanagement
still pagoda
so im using angermanagement
this doesn't mean you have to use AM exclusively
thunderlord is just a good legendary all around
wanton minnow
I just got Memory of the Thunderlord on my first Heroic dungeon
chilly brook
Unless you're just trying to pump
chilly brook
Market gonna crash
still pagoda
ik
chilly brook
So many people undercutting today
still pagoda
just looking at how people don't sell all the normal items
only capes and jewelry
oh
it just doesn't show up on goddamn AH
blizz again...
prices are definitely going to drop when the raid comes out
still pagoda
sick sentinel
So lightless force is way better than celestial guidance for m+?
sick sentinel
thank you
still pagoda
5% str is meh
solar yew
Hello, I just wanted to pop in and ask.. why is strenght considered to be more important than stamina for prot? I see that it scales parry however isn't our biggest weakness mitigating magic damage and against physical we already have block?
strong forum
Stamina does nothing but increase your HP, when Str scales into armor and all your dmg output and ignore pain
sweet summit
Str=more dam+more armor+more hp
Stam=more hp
strong forum
Every tanks biggest weakness is magic btw
solar yew
Uh I didn't know str scales hp how is that is it via some passive? It didn't say that on stat mouseover
sweet summit
Vanguard
strong forum
Vanguard
solar yew
Alright thanks for quick response 
still pagoda
Uh I didn't know str scales hp how is that is it via some passive? It didn't say...
just in case if you're not in the game right now
strong forum
Although reading this, I think it's just baseline 45% more hp, and Str only affecting armor
still pagoda
exactly
it is separated as such
45% more baseline stam and 100% str to armor conversion
strong forum
That being said, if you can choose between Str and stam (be it a trinket or food) Str nets more benefits than stamina
cinder roost
Anyone else finding TGV underwhelming? It's probably because packs are dying too fast and I'm not playing UF but still, I tried going back to UF I respec'd Rav 3 packs later
cinder roost
Yeah but I mean gameplay wise
strong forum
You get more rage, that's the only noticeable difference at best
cinder roost
I almost regret not making the revenge one tbh, I almost never hit TC atm π
still pagoda
no prot warrior legendary can change gameplay
cinder roost
But we'll see when m+ are here
jagged pier
you should be using TC on cooldown though
still pagoda
i consistently use TC on cooldown
strong forum
Ye, with Ravager up I have a hard time using TC
Rather get the 15 rage from SS
For more revenge
cinder roost
It will probably be different in higher keys, but if we need to kite, or bolstering
still pagoda
it's totally fine to delay another revenge if TC is up
cinder roost
We can probably still rev during the tanking portion
strong forum
Yeah but rage capping
jagged pier
not if your at 100 rage though
still pagoda
It will probably be different in higher keys, but if we need to kite, or bolster...
kiting is a part of new tank gameplay frankly
strong forum
It'll change in higher difficulties where IP actually does get eaten
still pagoda
Yeah but rage capping
i still dump 50-60% of my rage into IP 
strong forum
F
still pagoda
a habit hard to get rid off
still pagoda
mine went around 2-2.5k yesterday
guess this difference in DPS is from not spamming revenge like a madman
but whatever, IP will be a good rage dump in M+ again
strong forum
Like my indom does more than IP currently
still pagoda
same
cinder roost
And I really prefer that gameplay
cinder roost
Pulling being , dropping rav in the middle and bring all mobs on it
And you can alternate you offensives CDs
still pagoda
Imagine if we were uncapped like VDH....
imagine if everything was uncapped again
fuck target capping
strong forum
That's the thing I hate most about vdh, absolutely uncapped
That's why they pump so hard
cinder roost
Instead of all during Avatar
strong forum
Legit
lavish oracle
I'm gonna miss speed pots for collecting packs
still pagoda
it doesn't make sense with some specs not being capped and others getting hard-caps that ruin gameplay
radiant lintel
is speed pot 5 min?
strong forum
Speedpots should have 1min CD again..
radiant lintel
the engineer belt is only 2 min
still pagoda
is speed pot 5 min?
deleted
strong forum
Ye speedpot shares CD with combat potions, thus 5min CD
cinder roost
We can mount in a lot of dungeon though
strong forum
Ye but you can't tag them on mount
ebon swan
yeah the target cap is the most fun-detected thing blizzad has ever done tbh
strong forum
With speedpot you can
still pagoda
yeah the target cap is the most fun-detected thing blizzad has ever done tbh
more like just a really stupid design choice
ebon swan
and what does it even achieve? We still pull as big as the group can handle
it literally doesnt fix what htey tried to fix lol
strong forum
It doesn't fix anything cuz there's still outliers for some reason
Either fuck over all, or no one
But you have fire mages, unholy dks, arcane mages, boomies, vdh, bear and other still uncapped
ebon swan
watch them turn it around again after the expansion
strong forum
Destro locks
ebon swan
like they did with gcd
ebon swan
i mean MDI gonna happen and players are going to find the optimal aoe setup and blizzard will be surprised pika when the teams pull all trash up to bosses again
strong forum
Yup
still pagoda
yeah
ebon swan
and now even less specs can do full aoe so pugging will be even more aids for 90% of the players π
still pagoda
and it won't take long
still pagoda
and now even less specs can do full aoe so pugging will be even more aids for 90...
95%
as even these "aoe" specs are gonna get hunted by pugs
and if you're not the right spec with the right trinkets and OMEGALUL 100% needed legendary, you are fucked
rng can be cruel
ebon swan
yeah its gonna be lfm unholy dk fire mage +5
still pagoda
the only solution to this is to just delete target caps
completely
blizz created a problem that becomes even more cancerous with garbage community of this game
orchid frigate
lol already i'm getting "warrior tanks, didnt even know they existed" comments
still pagoda
ebon swan
Haha community perception is a great thing isnβt it
jagged pier
I dunno just play with your guild dont need to pug then π€·
prisma gorge
How good is actually trinket Anima Field Emitter?
urban quartz
Hi guys. New here.
Do we know if the reflect guide will be updated?
jagged pier
its not bad high up time
urban quartz
Thanks Nomeratur. Just says on the sheet last updated 30 Sept 2020
torn stump
double pvp dps trinkets all the way, such haste, such on use spear macro
urban quartz
But appreciate the response. And yes. Thanks Sense
still pagoda
Thanks Nomeratur. Just says on the sheet last updated 30 Sept 2020
there were no datamined changes to flags since then
urban quartz
there were no datamined changes to flags since then
Nice
analog radish
I already asked this but I gotta ask it again cuz I'm not sure. Should I definitely be using the Phial of Putrefaction as the Icy Veins guide says? Or is that just a trinket for single-target raid bosses and should I use like the Sanguine Depths DPS trinket for Mythics?
pallid hollow
i would assume no bad luck protection for legendary drop rate?
jagged pier
no
still pagoda
just avoid 99% of tank trinkets except for blood-splattered scale and vendor every single inscrutable device
pallid hollow
30th spire's now, while my druid got all dungeon lego in first week
still pagoda
30th spire's now, while my druid got all dungeon lego in first week
just wait for M+
jagged pier
I got tgv and fury bis now XD
analog radish
no
I stopped doing normal runs and started queuing heroic specific dungeon, got it within 10 runs afterwards. Easy.
still pagoda
don't burn yourself out with heroics and their low drop chance
urban quartz
I got my thunderlord after 45 runs
pallid hollow
you telling me to tank M+ without a lego
still pagoda
EZ
jagged pier
i mean you wont need one for
still pagoda
i'm not going to craft any legendaries until mythic week
pallid hollow
i know, i tanked m0 with 135ilvl
urban quartz
I crafted mine and now people are like why π
jagged pier
I got mine just because i know ill want both and im not worry about getting rank 4 one week late tbh
analog radish
My favorite part about Spires is that all Rogues leave after the 2nd boss, yet the rest of the dungeon has only 1 trash pull if you skip the trash before 3rd boss with a rogue.
still pagoda
I got mine just because i know ill want both and im not worry about getting rank...
we don't know how much you stygia you will have on mythic week, so it is not confirmed that you will have rank 4 by then
rank 3 maybe
but not rank 4
jagged pier
we don't know how much you stygia you will have on mythic week, so it is not con...
stygia for leggos? eh?
and no i have rank 1 TGV if the wall ends up being better i get that next week and will get rank 4 one week later than people that wait
still pagoda
ash*
i'm just going to get rank 3 of wall or TGV on mythic week
and proceed from there
jagged pier
Im going with rank one of both and go from there in a month and a bit it wont matter anyway π€·
still pagoda
from yesterday
TGV didn't drop
but i trolled all the DPS warris in the guild with that
jagged pier
yer i got that one the mythic sweep yesterday as well XD
still pagoda
same
ebon swan
so regarding the legendary crafting it says rank 2 is 2000 soul ash, does that mean if I go rank 1 -> upgrade all the way through rank 4 I pay 1250 + 2000 + 3200 + 5150 soul ash total??
instead of paying only 5150 soul ash if going for rnak 4 straight away?
strong forum
Pretty sure you just pay the dividends
ebon swan
it would be really silly if that wasnt the case right?
strong forum
Absolutely
ebon swan
ah wowhead provides the answers
Since Soul Ash is gated at 1200 per week, you're not going to waste any Soul Ash if you craft a Legendary early. Every Rank 4 Legendary will cost 5150 Soul Ash, whether it is created at Rank 4 or created at Rank 1 and upgraded.
i mean is there any reason for us tow ait with crafting a 190 leggo this week considering every legendary except tgv and wall suck balls
ebon hound
because they might not suck balls in 2 weeks time
strong forum
Or they buff smth else into high heavens
ebon swan
but wouldn't this require them to basically rework some legendaries? Because it isnt really the numbers on them its the effect that they offer
the effects are just lackluster
unless they overtune something like crazy
strong forum
You never know
tame lotus
hey guys, just joined today. Wanted to double check what the bis legendary is to go for right now still thunder lord? I mostly encounter a bunch of whining on forums rather then actual usefull information. :p
Also anyone any luck with thunderlord dropping in spires?
tame lotus
ye but the wall only drops in raids so no point to go for that I guess. π you guys had luck farming the dungeon on normal to get it to drop?
ebon swan
wish they would bring back legion leggo prot gloves π
strong forum
If not, I'll just craft wall insta on mythic week
tame lotus
also you guys think its worth to spend 2K right now on a lvl 2 rank legendary already or bether go for 2 legendaries next week so you can swap for raid/m+?
ebon swan
i got it from m0
wanton minnow
i got it on my first heroic
ebon swan
drop chance is much higher there i would guess
quiet pond
I did it on M0 but didn't get it last week π¦
strong forum
I might spam some HCs this weekend cuz I want some trinkets
tame lotus
if I have to believe wowhead it has the same drop chance on hc vs normal, dunno if thats correct?
ebon swan
can we go further in torghast this week already?
tame lotus
no rank 3 thorgast max
quiet pond
@ebon swan nope
ebon swan
ah so again something like 800 soul ash cap this week?
quiet pond
yes
strong forum
1520 this week
quiet pond
well, a bit less, bc Bolvar quest is only 100 instead of the 200 last week
quiet pond
710 instead of 810
ebon swan
so that means if you get tgv now and wall in heroic raid you should be able to have rank 1 both in first week heroic
or rank 2 in one of them
quiet pond
I'm probably going for rank 2 thunderlord bc I don't have a raiding guild π’
tame lotus
next week you can earn more soul ashes because higher tiers get unlocked
ebon swan
yeah but the max si like 1200 something so 1520 + 1200 (assuming you clear layer 8 which may not be easy)
so at most rank 2 is possible or 2 rank 1s
tame lotus
should be able to do layer 8 after doing some M+ and raiding
but ye two rank 1s probably
ebon swan
memories from raid are guaranteed drops?
still pagoda
that will be enough to cap out 900-1200
strong forum
Then on mythic week another 1200 ontop of that
ebon swan
im just trying to decide if crafting rank 1 tgv is worth it now, they already nerfed it hard once cant imagine them nerfing it again
or just wait until mythic opens and then just craft whatever is best
and get rank 2 right away
tame lotus
its only I lvl increase right, not the active effect that gets better on higher ranks? then its probably better to have two to swap depedning on M+ or Raiding imo
ebon swan
hmm true, even if they buff something to the moon after tuning you would start off with rank 1 instead of rank 2 which is only a couple ilvls
deep iron
ebon swan
hoa bis???
lavish oracle
First spire of the day and Thunderlord dropped, sick
pallid hollow
am i really THAT unlucky
pallid hollow
First spire of the day and Thunderlord dropped, sick
lavish oracle
if I could give you mine, I would
ionic fern
pallid hollow
i am just stadning in front fo the crafters, spamming the dungeon
ready to craft it haha
primal narwhal
Is torghast with protection easier?
still pagoda
weighted decisions and planning work the best
pallid hollow
Is torghast with protection easier?
yep it's a joke as prot
still pagoda
Is torghast with protection easier?
literally free materials
cerulean quest
Has anyone made the thunder Lord item yet?
I got the item yesterday on my second run.. need to finish torg then Iβm not sure what I do haha
astral crystal
I made it, why do you ask?
Gonna craft the wall ASAP as well and prioritize leveling that one
lavish oracle
Are we gonna have enough soul ash to craft another legendary next week?
strong forum
Yes
sweet kayak
With having Thunderlord, should I go Unstoppable Force or Ravager?
jagged pier
which ever you like
i still play rav
i prefer it
and in higher keys u will want rav anyway not that we have higher content atm
sweet kayak
Hmm I like Ravager too, but with Thunderlord I feel I must go Unstoppable Force :/
tame lotus
how is ravager better with thunderlord the unstoppable force? I currently run ravager as well but I am planning to go unstoppable once I get thunderlords, do you got the difference in uptime of Demoshout with and without that talent?
still pagoda
and in higher keys u will want rav anyway not that we have higher content atm
only because you pick bolster that doesn't have any synergy with UF
still pagoda
how is ravager better with thunderlord the unstoppable force? I currently run r...
depends. BUT, ravager always has value while whole synergy of UF relies on anger management
and the higher you go, or if you're going for mythic raid, the sooner you will have to consider ravager/bolster
tame lotus
ye but isnt the legendary way better if you use both of those talents ? if not just wait for the wall I guess
still pagoda
not really, it still has a lot of value to it
UF/AM/BV/TGV combo is just the added small benefit
40 rage every ~20 seconds doesn't pump much into AM
lavish oracle
how much rage does ravager generate? 10 every time it deals damage but how often is that if a mob is standing in it
lavish oracle
Yeah, that's what I thought until I read the tooltip just now
grave vine
Wait, you don't lose control on a wild bladestorm when specced ravager?
Or is this arms only?
strong forum
Arms only
grave vine
the dreams...
still pagoda
Yeah, that's what I thought until I read the tooltip just now
guess more then
strong forum
how much rage does ravager generate? 10 every time it deals damage but how often...
On average 60 rage
still pagoda
considering it ticks once per second or so
lavish oracle
Gonna go hit a target dummy and check how many times it hits
just had to get out of the maw
still pagoda
60 rage @lavish oracle @strong forum
exactly
it did 6 hits in a span of 9 seconds and gave 60 rage
lavish oracle
yep yep, same result
So UF is like slightly more rage every 45 seconds than ravager
And that's if you're running AM
pretty much comparable damage too
still pagoda
So UF is like slightly more rage every 45 seconds than ravager
And that if we are not counting everything beyond 1 target
lavish oracle
Yeah, but the target scaling is weird because ravager hard caps at 8 and thunderclap soft caps at 5 and I don't feel like figuring that out π
still, 80 rage per tic
still pagoda
imma go poke target dummies in zandalar
lavish oracle
I'm right next to the AoE ones in org, I can check real quick
still pagoda
sure
ionic fern
What are we discussing.
still pagoda
seems like ravager will outscale UF in aoe anyway
ionic fern
π
lavish oracle
Yeah, it's just every time it ticks, not for each target
lavish oracle
Ravager vs UF with Thunderlords
ionic fern
And AM?
novel hornet
What about the extra SS resets with UF
lavish oracle
Oh, that's true
ionic fern
ST or AOE?
lavish oracle
Okay, yeah, pretty comparable on AoE
and then ravager is slightly ahead on ST
but only like barely enough to be called significant
ionic fern
ItF is the winner.
lavish oracle
though UF is probably a noticeable rage bump with the extra shield slam procs, like Wurmkrank pointed out
really?
ionic fern
lavish oracle
hm
lavish oracle
that's for AoE, I assume?
primal saddle
Why is prot doing the same DPS or more in AOE than almost every other class?
Dps that is
It's silly
ionic fern
Jeahj, AoE.
primal saddle
I like it but it's silly
ionic fern
Wdym @primal saddle ?
honest plinth
Well 10β° is huge nowaday
primal saddle
I mean we seem to pump super hard way harder than I remember
lavish oracle
We do pretty good damage with CDs, yeah
I mean, not like...4th DPS good, I don't think
primal saddle
I usually get top of no2 DPS in my dungeons
primal saddle
True
lavish oracle
in heroics I'm topping charts but also the bar is pretty low in heroics π
novel hornet
Surprised ITF beats both
primal saddle
To be fair I've been running guild groups with other plates and all melee DPS rn is in the trash especially warrior DPS
honest plinth
Im playing with good dps players and doing like 70-80% 9F their damage overall
primal saddle
So it's not surprising
cinder roost
What's the fight duration on the sims though, cause Ravager is bursty
(and what's the rotation)
lavish oracle
as DPS get gear, the gap should widen
still pagoda
as DPS get gear, the gap should widen
especially for blood and bear
primal saddle
Bear is just bad prot smh
still pagoda
man, I wish bear could do damage
#givebacklufa
lavish oracle
which is why they're always my 2nd favorite tank π
still pagoda
primal saddle
I think DK is my second favourite tank
But only because it's the only other tank I've played alot off
lavish oracle
I hate DK, too much downtime, no mobility
lavish oracle
grips are cool
primal saddle
DND makes hearing packs trivial
primal saddle
90% slow being what it is
pallid hollow
after 40 something run
lavish oracle
grats
pallid hollow
my suffering end
novel hornet
Any thoughts on sizemic reverberation?
ripe valve
thunderclap lego is the one to craft 1st?
honest plinth
Any thoughts on sizemic reverberation?
i dont think you can use revenge that much in real content
warped swift
hello guys, wanted to know what are the best missives to have with the thunderlord in boots. I guess it's haste and versatibility right?
novel hornet
That's what I did
honest plinth
it is for me but not for Karton haha
warped swift
Ok I see thanks ^^
mighty trellis
As an off spec prot warrior who mains arms warriors any tips or overlooked things about prot warriors?
woven kiln
Which mobs parry/dodge/block these days? (i.e., which should the DPS always be hitting from behind?) Obvs raid bosses, but what about: raid mobs, raid trash, dungeon bosses, dungeon trash?
lavish oracle
just raid bosses, afaik
unless they're cool special mobs
in which case they'll probably have a big obvious frontal shield affect or something, usually
strong forum
In m+ mobs don't parry or dodge naturally
So you don't have to be behind them as a dps
honest plinth
there is 1 mob in ToP
still pagoda
the flurry boi
who doesn't do damage to prot warrior
at all
just block it bruh
strong forum
Absolutely ye
lavish oracle
fits the class fantasy, to be fair
trim trench
just read about TOA having threat multiplier. smh I don't have HOA, this is a fresh reroll
strong forum
It'll surely be fixed
woven kiln
I mean, it's muscle memory when I'm tanking, since my first ever char like 10 years ago, to face everything away, all the time, if only because some have a frontal cleave. Whenever I do go DPS I notice tanks being inconsistent, and wondered if I was out of the loop on something
strong forum
No way that's intended
still pagoda
just read about TOA having threat multiplier. smh I don't have HOA, this is a fr...
dw, it'll get fixed
i have 147 HoA
trim trench
yeah, in the meanwhile my arcane mage buddy gets slapped on pull. I'll tell him to wait a couple of seconds before firing off barrages
still pagoda
and i'm running it just because it outstats everything else
pallid hollow
only small amount of people know it, now that it's a wowhead article, it'll be fixed on next hottix
lavish oracle
lol, lemme slip on my HoA again, real quick >.>
still pagoda
.>
strong forum
and i'm running it just because it outstats everything else
Actually doesn't
pallid hollow
My main neck is rank 97 and it's only 5 stats lower than m0 neck
woven kiln
I love reflecting spectral scythe on top last boss
lol
lavish oracle
my 161 neck has like 30 less stats than my 146 neck
lavish oracle
hold on, I might be bad at math
honest plinth
I love reflecting spectral scythe on top last boss
waiting for nerf btw. deflect inc
strong forum
Doubt
lavish oracle
Yeah, okay, 27 less stats
strong forum
If anything, last 2 raid bosses will get changed
still pagoda
My crafted 151 has more stats cuz of its socket
strong forum
Yeah, okay, 27 less stats
Get a crafted 151 and you only lose like 13, but you drop mastery and get over 40 haste
lavish oracle
Maybe I'll wait until after they nerf the threat multiplier π
strong forum
lavish oracle
I would like to lodge a complaint
strong forum
Haste go 
lavish oracle
okay, sun is coming up, time for bed
honest plinth
i have 184 neck 105 haste 42 mastery
pallid hollow
You already used +18 str?
woeful stirrup
So im not the only one who has threat issues as prot
ebon swan
if dps go ham on pull and i dont have ravager or any cd up it sometimes is annoying but i usually only lose 1 or 2 mobs
strong forum
It's only when my ele opens with stormkeeper that aggro is shit, which is entirely normal
ebon swan
i just try to make sure i always have either spear or ravager for pull
sonic bone
It's only when my ele opens with stormkeeper that aggro is shit, which is entire...
or when you do a big pull and fire mage uses combustion
sonic bone
ik u need challenging shout for that
sonic bone
so its your fault in that way
you still lose aggro tho
but then u use it and its fine
earnest lava
honest plinth
gz
earnest lava
1 mythic, 6 normal, got it on 4th HC.
honest plinth
god bless you
sonic bone
spamming it too atm
old dagger
what's that, a conduit?
old dagger
ah nice, grats!
old dagger
do you need to unlock something first in order to have a chance of it dropping?
eager phoenix
will signet lego work with prot avatar to get reck or bs ?
sonic bone
do you need to unlock something first in order to have a chance of it dropping?
i dont think so
old dagger
Thanks
sonic bone
What do you guys thins its best on talent lvl 45 row, ravenger or unstoppable force?
tough zealot
Hi guys, ty for Revenge last time, i'm enjoying my time as Prot :D
Do you know what i need to do to have Thunderlord leg ? (i'm not IG now)
primal saddle
I dunno unstoppable force is great
fresh kernel
does unhinged work with prot ravager?
pallid hollow
nope
primal saddle
Gotta clap those checks
still pagoda
Hi guys, ty for Revenge last time, i'm enjoying my time as Prot :D
Do you know w...
recipe drops from Spires of Ascension dungeon, just buy shadowghast feet or gloves, 2 inscription thingies for secondaries and go to runecarver
pallid hollow
does unhinged work with prot ravager?
the anime power that increases Avatar and bladestorm/ravager for Arms warrior, does not increases ravager for prot
primal saddle
Thunder lord is back or shoulder though right?
still pagoda
that is the wall
tough zealot
Ty
fresh kernel
what do u mean? i'm talking about the legendary
fresh kernel
shame
still pagoda
unhinged doesn't work with prot ravager
pallid hollow
i member when prot have bladestorm back in MoP
fresh kernel
well do we get enough soul ash to craft another rank 1 legendary next week?
pallid hollow
depends if new floors is open, but probably no? 610 per week i think?
fresh kernel
are you sure about that?
pallid hollow
considering next lockout everyone ilvl will increases with M+ and raids, probably yeah
atomic monolith
who got their boots?
dense blaze
Hello guys, should I craft my legendary right away, or wait for possible fixes/nerfs?
I have Memory of the Thunderlord
eager phoenix
i'd wait for mythic week for rebalance. shit will no dobut get rebalanced
astral crystal
i think it's probably a next to nothing chance our leggos get rebalanced
eager phoenix
waiting also means you can do 2x normal/heroics and see if the stuff from there drops. also opens up possibility to craft 2x 190 or go all in on one
astral crystal
DH might get touched lightly
sweet kayak
Is there a specific conduit path for prot warriors one could follow?
dense blaze
Thanks guys
still pagoda
i'd wait for mythic week for rebalance. shit will no dobut get rebalanced
[2]
except for our leggos
but i'm still stockpiling for wall
sweet kayak
i'd wait for mythic week for rebalance. shit will no dobut get rebalanced
[2]
Okay π
still pagoda
i think it's probably a next to nothing chance our leggos get rebalanced
https://twitter.com/GuiltyasFeral/status/1334273293243850754?s=20
we're not as fucked as others
feral
13% of damage from starsurge
pearl imp
Guys cajn i ask how are u doin as prot war in mythic atm?
still pagoda
m0's are a piece of cake
astral crystal
yeah you can mongo m0
astral crystal
watching 3 army pops on a boss
primal saddle
Yea I've had no issues unless I didn't pay attention when fighting massive packs or specifically the fuckos in de other side the mage bastards
But that's on me
still pagoda
mage shite in de other side is easy
just dodge and use cooldowns
actually worth dropping shield wall on that pack
primal saddle
Yea I was tired
And was playing bear but as prot
And got boped of the edge
That's like the one dung so far I've been getting clapped in the most but that's me being a mongo and just no braining too much
woeful stirrup
@strong forum i gonna watch your stream i rly wanba learn/see what im doing wrong
ionic fern
Now you made him nervous.
strong forum
Sure
primal saddle
I'm curious how m+ is going to be
strong forum
You can check the vod from last night, maybe you can spot smth
woeful stirrup
Ty man
still pagoda
Now you made him nervous.
woeful stirrup
So do you think he will scale a lot with gear so he might get rly rly good later on?
ionic fern
Some good news as well - we should be getting SIMS tomorrow.
The APL will be polished in the next couple of days further also.
still pagoda
strong forum
So do you think he will scale a lot with gear so he might get rly rly good later...
We tend to be weaker on lower ilvl than other tanks
still pagoda
finally
strong forum
Mainly because of lack of haste
red bane
Can anyone tell me what is the drop rate and is the drop of legendary memories tied to loot spec. The reason I am asking is Memory of the Thunderlord. I'v done 2 mythic runs . 7 heroic runs just last night and countless normal runs over the past week and still it did not drop.
still pagoda
no one knows
strong forum
3/Fishbowl
still pagoda
just wait till M+ and farm
still pagoda
3/Fishbowl
you forgot beer in that equation
leaden forge
hey guys, does anyone know if path of ascension is just about cosmetics and mounts etc?
strong forum
isn that the renown?
woven radish
Anyone else get that crystal quest drop off devos that tells you to go to the floating platform in the northeast? Can't figure out how to get over to the damn thing
whole umbra
Okay just checking... this is getting old
umbral laurel
hate that farming of the recipe already
whole umbra
@leaden forge wow.... going to go eat ice cream until i hate myself and then get back in the dungeon
leaden forge
you dont have to hate yourself for eating ice cream ^^
frail tusk
@red bane I ran 33 normals 4 heroics and 2 mythics before I got my Thunderbird.
ebon swan
regarding the adventure mission table, is there any reason to use the kyrian phalanx? a 10% damage reduction sounds pretty useless when he does half the damage of the halberdier
red bane
<@274988068845387776> I ran 33 normals 4 heroics and 2 mythics before I got my T...
Was your loot spec Prot ? The reason I am asking this is because according to the adventure guide it should drop only with prot loot spec, but my friend got it while he was arms.
frail tusk
@red bane it's not loot spec tied either I saw an arms and fury warrior get it.
astral crystal
man it's obscene how much good gear comes from both ardenweald dungeons
frail tusk
@red bane it dropped for me in mythic but I saw one drop in normal and one drop in heroic.
honest plinth
im holy warrior
astral crystal
love that backpiece so much
honest plinth
there is no shield on your back btw
astral crystal
yep, you just magically conjure it
honest plinth
like where is my shield? in the pocket? haha
strong forum
With their disgusting bfa s1 set + tusks thinking they're cool
But this dwarf, that's good
Makes me wanna go back home so bad
:sadge:
sweet summit
horde is home 
modern brook
Honestly #protection has like 95% of the global alliance players
The faction sucks tbh
modern brook
I'm not even talking stats
astral crystal
??
sweet summit
!!
orchid frigate
modern brook
The alliance is a nerd faction that has like 7 of the 9 most powerful mortals of azeroth and these absolute pepegas still cant win a war smh
modern brook
Horde has like 3 mongo me smash guys, a tactician, and a bunch of traitors
And they're still absolutely slapping the alliance around
The faction that has defacto jesus x3
honest plinth
not they but blizz
modern brook
Smh blaming blizzard is a cop out
astral crystal
once AI develops total autonomy we'll see how the war plays out
modern brook
they are writing the story
Yeah they dont exist 4head
astral crystal
alliance will have neuromancer by the time horde has pentium III
frail tusk
@honest plinth how do you get the back attachment?
autumn cosmos
I'm NGL, out of all the tank classes (aside from Guardian Druid, which I haven't played), Warrior feels incredibly weak in both survivability and threat build up. Starting to believe I'm doing something wrong.
torn gulch
good afternoon
are sharpening stones that bad compared to oils?
woven radish
Oh good question
light crown
s hadowcore?
open monolith
It's just 2 of the most common herb
woven radish
Have a bunch from leveling alchemy
frail tusk
Yea I'm with them but I haven't seen it anywhere in the vendors or anything @honest plinth
torn gulch
yeah but i have the use a pot that empowers it after
sweet summit
shadowcore yeah
torn gulch
i need to test this at the dummy
sweet summit
maybe stones better in aoe, not sure
open monolith
Just don't be a tryhard and don't use pots.
honest plinth
Yea I'm with them but I haven't seen it anywhere in the vendors or anything <@51...
i mean i linked a video how to get them π
open monolith
Problem solved
honest plinth
also you can buy them at renown 6
frail tusk
@honest plinth kk thanks I'll give it a watch
modern brook
I'm NGL, out of all the tank classes (aside from Guardian Druid, which I haven't...
You probably are.