ohh but that might be fun for my memeing of Torghast
#protection
sour sluice
sour sluice
im trying to 1 shot the final boss with revenge
cosmic canyon
Nome, I must say though that I find DR extremely useful atm
ebon jasper
wait people have time to press other buttons but Shield slam in torghst
strong forum
DR loses value as soon as there's 2 targets
It already loses 30% dmg on the 2nd target
cosmic canyon
well, overall damage is still 6-8%
jolly thistle
wait, are you actually killing stuff in torghast? 
strong forum
By the 5th target it does the same dmg as thunderclap
Dr is fucking dead
Can't change my mind
sour sluice
By the 5th target it does the same dmg as thunderclap
good call, thanks.
sour sluice
Can't change my mind
many numbers go whoosh!
cosmic canyon
If you say so ๐
I would still recommend it to anyone that feels the build is clunky atm
the numbers aren't that far off, if any
sour sluice
wait, are you actually killing stuff in torghast? <:greenbear:729127145963651092...
last night i had a 416k i think revenge hit on the final boss of the torghast wing
strong forum
It's fun to play, don't get me wrong
But it's just... Bad now
I used it for leveling because BV doesn't offer value there
charred egret
is into the fray usable while i choose bolster with thunderlord legendary?
sweet summit
DR is ~1%behind on 5 targets iirc
Compared to BV, pure damage wise
cosmic canyon
assume 7% damage total. on DR.
To reach 7% damage 'total' assuming uptime on BV-DEMO alone you'd need:
20 x 0.35 = 7 --> you'd need 35% uptime on Demo shout to even that.
obviously by then you'd have the extra 20 rage per cast
strong forum
Itf is only played for raw ST pump and for block uptime
sour sluice
you charged revenge with phylacteries
i sure did, and used whirlwind in its place. 6000% damage revenge + 200% from charging + avatar + my wifes misdirection bonus damage. i was pretty devastated (bazinga) that it didnt crit. fortunately we used it on the boss that becomes uninterruptable and does increased damage stacking every few seconds
jagged pier
@sweet summit did you get sharpening stones working yet?
sweet summit
No
jagged pier
rip
cosmic canyon
two examples
20% damage 35% of the time = 7% damage.
DR = 7% damage
Wanna lower it?
20% damage 25% of the time = 5% damage
DR = 5% damage
strong forum
That's some weird
cosmic canyon
if you can't get uptime to 25% on a key, on DEMO then don't run it
strong forum
Math
ionic fern
5 targets.
sweet summit
My memory bad :(
sour sluice
My memory bad :(
just like the runecarvers
strong forum
:dab:
sweet summit
Kek
sour sluice
i do look forward to seeing some rough DPS comparisons of my character before and after the thunderclap lego and BV
sweet summit
At least three
void merlin
Sad there is no other lego for diff. build other than BV in m+
sour sluice
dropping DR for BV is already going to mess up my rotation...and im kind of a potato, so ill prolly mess it up for at least one content patch.
frosty ridge
got Thunderlord first heroic try noice
blissful imp
anyone know what the blue arrows around one of your conduit slot choices indicates?
sour sluice
could someone explain why Icy veins says Bolster is better than Heavy Repercussions for M+? it doesnt explain their reasoning much in the guide
strong forum
Bolster is guaranteed 15sec of additional uptime on Block
HR is RNG increase on block uptime
It's more predictable and you can plan around it
You can get your 2x SB (maybe 3) LS and another 2 SBs in without dropping block
cerulean quest
I 2 shot (literally) the final boss on level 3 was a prot warrior in torg... some of the powerups seem to be a little bit OP
forest fern
HR probably increases "wastage" of shield block too, so the choice of whether to use its benefit isn't really there cause you aren't going to stop shield slamming
strong forum
Whereas if you're unlucky with procs, you just end up with no SB and you gotta kite earlier
sour sluice
fair enough. i feel like it would be really really stronk with the wall, but maybe Unstoppable force and anger management with thundergod would be stronger?
sour sluice
good, i dont wanna give up ravager too
forest fern
ya i feel shieldwall is supposed to compliment block not fill in for it
strong forum
And UF loses value because of not playing TGV
It is a possible build, playing wall + AM
sour sluice
so should we then run UF when playing TGV?
forest fern
you'd want those packs to die pretty fast though
strong forum
If you want to play UF, you wanna play AM aswell, if you play AM you don't get to play bolster, if you play Bolster you don't play UF
sour sluice
yeah, i understand why UF and AM would be tied together
strong forum
UF needs AM
But AM doesn't need UF
So playing TGV, you play either UF+AM in lower keys.
Or
In Higher keys you play Bolster 100%,thus you don't play UF.
modern brook
anyone know the renown cap this week?
sweet summit
6 psure
sour sluice
So playing TGV, you play either UF+AM in lower keys.
Or
In Higher keys you play ...
understood, thanks.
modern brook
thats not an upgrade wtf.
strong forum
5 for now, dunno if anything unlocks later down the week
sweet summit
O i read somewhere we get +3 this week ๐ค
modern brook
week 5 of the expansion for renown 13?????????
man time gated content + subscriptions puts a bad taste in my mouth tbh
shut summit
can get renown6
dense pivot
as long as there's something to do it's fine
modern brook
fair im mostly salty theres nothing to do
4 hours in m0s, 90minutes in torghast
dailys
thats it
sweet summit
Make eu account ๐
modern brook
honestly might
But then I'd have to face the fact that nome just doesnt want to play with me and has been using EU as an excuse this whole time T-T
sweet summit
strong forum
still pagoda
still pagoda
But then I'd have to face the fact that nome just doesnt want to play with me an...
wut???
somewhat, you will be able to catch up soon enough
elfin lark
Is Pawn a good addon to use?
sweet summit
No
elfin lark
Well shit
pallid hollow
anyone know if legendary drop on normal?
sweet summit
It does
pallid hollow
well, it's time to spam that shit dawg
elfin lark
it's weights are just off
forest fern
anyone know what the drop rate for the raid ones is supposed to be?
forest fern
well what i mean is veins and wowhead are posting that essentially
but yah doesn't make them right
sweet summit
More stats>>>better stats
forest fern
cases will vary
sweet summit
My brain is mush rn sorry
modern brook
More stats>>>better stats
^
elfin lark
I'm just trying to tank this xpack
modern brook
use the shield :^)
elfin lark
=p
forest fern
nah your face stops more damage
elfin lark
I've noticed I actually have to pay attention, don't remember having to do that in bfa
sweet summit
Wdym
elfin lark
I don't think anyone pulled agro off me all bfa even during huge pulls
now if I have a fire mage or mm hunter I have to keep an eyeball on their asses
forest fern
one spear of bastion will fix most of that ๐
or just tell them to wait for 3 sunders
elfin lark
lol
sweet summit
Mm hunter should MD you
uneven mason
I don't think anyone pulled agro off me all bfa even during huge pulls
the necklace boosted our threat by like 200%
elfin lark
MM hunters gonna do what mm hunters do and mash buttons
uneven mason
I'd say let them die but sadly most of them are adept enough to feign death so the healer dies.
modern brook
IF the mm hunter doesnt wanna pull aggro; he'll md you
I havent had any aggro issues past people standing in pats
forest fern
as you make the pull just pull the mobs immediately behind a pillar, that will stop him
elfin lark
Well maybe I'm a noob but it seems someone on the design team was like "Know what we should do? We should make ever fucking mob jump around constantly."
elfin lark
like every instance has a bunch of mobs that fucking leap around like those fucking flea men from castlevania
forest fern
yeah jumping mobs and mobs that face a direction and cone seem to be on their agenda this time round
ebon jasper
guess the few moments I lose aggro is when every real "anyway I started blasting" person in the party targets a separate target each in packs where the mobs refuse to gather up
forest fern
hey anyone notice that devos' spear is really janky sometimes
like the damage shows up, it clearly hit her but she doesn't want to come down
shut summit
yea have seen it couple times
ebon jasper
at all?
or just for a bit?
agile stag
How u guys kill the zombie ghoul thorgast boss? he jus tgets 99stacks and yeets me
elfin lark
I mean I got all my mythics done last week and I'm working on them this week but a couple of them were like pulling teeth
sour sluice
MM hunters gonna do what mm hunters do and mash buttons
Can confirm, my wife is my MM hunter.
elfin lark
My group in theatre of pain wiped 17 times last week on the last boss alone because the dps just kept dying to mechanics
ebon jasper
metal- are you prot?
elfin lark
that fight isn't even that complicated it's just BUSY
agile stag
yeah
forest fern
that one is one of the more challenging bosses you'll find that a lot, the key is to outdps is abilities and throw their timing off
ebon jasper
oh wait- zombie boss- i was thinknig of the shade one i got
forest fern
if you can push him to 50% fast enough, he breaks as he transitions to pull everyone and they aren't all "lined" up with each other anymore
ebon jasper
got those adds to instadie because of the TC Pulls enemies in-power
elfin lark
I got only had trouble with the dog boss in upper reaches because I was trying to kill the adds
mal something?
rocky linden
I assume Kyrian is still the optimal choice for M+?
modern brook
kyrian or nf are the competitors
cerulean quest
My group in theatre of pain wiped 17 times last week on the last boss alone beca...
dude, literally the same... but about 40 times
lack of mechanics + low dps = carnage
elfin lark
yea this week my group did so much damage it was barely a fight
modern brook
the only hard part of that fight is remembering the hogs go through the boss
the rest is just dont stand in circles
cerulean quest
it's realy hard when dps is low, it just gets busier and busier
i was 2nd highest dps on the pull we killed it with 1.1k x.x
modern brook
๐ฌ
elfin lark
lord
modern brook
thats a dps issue for sure
strong forum
I don't think anyone pulled agro off me all bfa even during huge pulls
Through neck you generated x7.5 aggro, now you just generate x5 aggro
Also somewhat less dmg output than in bfa
elfin lark
last week the only mythics that were speedbumps where theatre and plaguefall
elfin lark
and plaguefall was just the second boss really
modern brook
like absolutely ever
cerulean quest
i found aggro a small issue when dps start bursting as soon as i charge in... namely shamans and hunters cleaving the pack
modern brook
at no point in that dungeonis it enjoyable to be in it
strong forum
Shaman with storm keeper...
ebon jasper
havin not tanked and /or done proper content since cataclysm..
strong forum
Before you landed
ebon jasper
and then going classic and back here, threat is..
strong forum
Saaaame West
cerulean quest
like why.. pls let me use just 1 ability
strong forum
So fucking annoying
cerulean quest
too much DPS counter checking i think haha
unless you've tanked, you don't understand how annoying it is to have to play catchup the whole fight rather than wait 1 second
elfin lark
well it's like the, first boss in spires? the one with the pet that shoots energy balls
strong forum
Yeah.. Literally had to yell at my shaman
elfin lark
it's so easy to not get hit by those and people still do
strong forum
I haven't had any issues in any m0 last week
Facerolled everything
But 2 people died on spires first boss cuz they didn't dodge
ebon jasper
did all m0 with full guild groups so eh
strong forum
modern brook
fuck spires tbh
strong forum
But it was also their first time doing the dungeon
elfin lark
I may be playing bush league ball I am pugging on wyrmrest accord
strong forum
Pugging is always a nightmare
strong forum
I had to literally solo dungeons yesterday whilst leveling my vdh
cerulean quest
loool
strong forum
This halls run
Was very tedious
They pulled soooooo much shit
I don't blame them for not knowning everything
cerulean quest
Looks painful
strong forum
But man, it's frustrating for me
prisma gorge
Nomeratur you stream sometimes on warrior?
cerulean quest
twitch? link
prisma gorge
link please, can do PM
prisma gorge
and can you do it watchable from recordings? i am not home tonight
prisma gorge
awesome
desert crown
What is the best leggo for protect?
strong forum
Thunderlord for m+
The Wall for raiding
crimson sphinx
Am I screwing myself for crafting my Thunderlord boots last night? Or should I have waited for The Wall?
crimson sphinx
Cause I can craft both, just only equip 1 right?
strong forum
Yes
elfin lark
how'd you get enough soul ash?
crimson sphinx
ok cool thanks Mr. Nomeratur
strong forum
You can get to 1520 soulash this week
Which is enough to craft 1 legendary
He's NA presumably, so he got to 1520 already
Yesterday
elfin lark
does it cost more to craft higher ilvl ?
crimson sphinx
Correct
elfin lark
ok that's why I coudln't afford it
ebon jasper
but you can upgrade step by step for a slightly higher end cost yeah?
elfin lark
I bought the higher level ilvl item
prisma gorge
@strong forum i see you dont go bolster? Thought its better than AM?
strong forum
Shouldn't make a difference Sekai
I don't play Bolster for M0s cuz it doesn't hurt
AM is more dmg
So I play AM
Once stuff hurts, I'll swap to bolster
prisma gorge
i do get hurt even with bolster ๐ฆ
strong forum
Unluck
sour sluice
that first boss in spires of ascension M0 FUCKED me up.
strong forum
Gotta get better then
sour sluice
i must've been doing something wrong. what do yall do to not get bent over for that fight?
crimson sphinx
I personally have had 0 trouble in M0s
strong forum
Idk, was my very first m0 I did
sour sluice
yeah, mine as well
strong forum
I have the vod of it I think
On twitch
I don't remember it fucking me up
I dropped to 1%cuz I fucked up, that I remember
ebon jasper
wasnt that boss about the same? just more projectiles?
prisma gorge
just tank it away from bird
mellow patio
Iโve done that 6 times in m0 and I still donโt even know what the first boss is lmao
uneven violet
guys, need some tips: wanna play a plate tank for m+ and cant decide between pala and warrior. what the more easy to play choice here? Xx
prisma gorge
if you mirror the bird to keep first boss in spires away, then group has enough time to avoid balls
strong forum
guys, need some tips: wanna play a plate tank for m+ and cant decide between pal...
Whatever you prefer playstyle wise
prisma gorge
guys, need some tips: wanna play a plate tank for m+ and cant decide between pal...
rly youre asking this on prot warrior discords? ๐
strong forum
It's not up to us to say what you should play
Both are great, pally does more dmg
That's about it
twilit tundra
Does anyone have a sim for prot warriors?
prisma gorge
we are all maniacs here playing prot warriors even when prot war is useless
crimson sphinx
Well everyone knows warriors are the best class, ergo vis a vis ipso facto prot warriors are the best tanks. Its just simple math
uneven violet
ty for the tips ๐
i prefer warrior over pala so thats why iam asking here. does shield block can be hold up the whole time? or are there still some holes in?
crimson sphinx
I don't get the prot warrior is useless meme. Granted i didn't play beta, but like I have had literally 0 trouble tanking mythics so far. Unless we get progressively worse with M+ and stuff, I think a lot just comes down to the player. But thats just me
strong forum
ty for the tips ๐
i prefer warrior over pala so thats why iam asking here. doe...
There's downtime of block
coral agate
Hey... I main fury and im trying torghast as prot.. what talenbts to u guys prefer for torghast? a simple 1,3,2,2,3,2 etc is more then enuff and much apriciated
strong forum
For torghast it's kinda irrelevant, the important talents are indomitable and anger management
prisma gorge
Hey... I main fury and im trying torghast as prot.. what talenbts to u guys pref...
33-2-1-2-33
prisma gorge
i just clear everything and than its faceroll
strong forum
Unless you play badly
prisma gorge
also if you get that 200% explosion of necrolord shield thats nice as it explode for 40K easily
strong forum
Necrolord 
coral agate
im venthyr as i main fury ๐
still pagoda
prisma gorge
necrolord will be good in long terms
uneven mason
I preferred the anima power that lets my steward buff my haste by 30%
๐
"Warrior bloodlust, don't mind if I do"
elfin lark
How you guys liking Torghast so far? Anyone else feel like it's scaling is off?
cerulean quest
Dude, i got frostbite (enemy drops to 50% HP straight away and stays there for 5 seconds), and an INSANE shattering throw (first shattering throw on a floor does 10,000% dmg)
strong forum
Torghast is too easy and boring
cerulean quest
it was SO dumb
strong forum
Very mundane
cerulean quest
i hit the final boss once with normal throw, 50%... then shattering throw, dead
still pagoda
Torghast is too easy and boring
[2]
elfin lark
It's weirdly easy to solo and get impractically harder with a full group
uneven mason
yeah
sour sluice
I love torghast honestly. its something my wife and i can do ourselves
still pagoda
i'm glad i can skip layers now
cerulean quest
yeah true - wasted like 6 hours trying to help my gf through it
uneven mason
Literally only time i got close to not finishing
still pagoda
just doing 2 3s on 2 toons and moving on with my usual stuff
uneven mason
was when the rogue in my party died 13 times in the trap room
cerulean quest
only for her to run it solo and do it first time.... >.>
uneven mason
I was like ๐
Rogue can't avoid traps
literally roleplay walked across that bridge
and didn't get hit once
reminded me of one of our resto druids back in WoD progression, on Twin Orgron, they literally said "Not eveyrone has reflexes like that" when asked why they died almost instantly every time the swirls started.
"reflexes" - "giant fire slab moving slowly in your direction"
compact siren
swirly dodgers aint gonna swirly dodge
cerulean quest
Hey - avoiding mechanics isn't for everyone dude
crimson flame
Has anyone gotten memory of in breakable will?
wispy tundra
Warrior tank and shadow priest combo is op. He mind soothes mobs so we can control pulls
crimson flame
Unbreakable*
wispy tundra
for Torghast that is
cerulean quest
my party got so mad at me for pulling like 20 mobs and them dying twice each as they failed to avoid cleaves/aoe...
๐ฆ
blissful imp
yea, just pull the entire floor and kill it all
uneven mason
I try to avoid 3 minibosses at a time
but the minor trash, is just free victory rushes
cerulean quest
you can just become SO tanky in there
wispy tundra
Oh, I pull whole rooms once we get more abilities, the first floor we just take it in stride until we're OP
blissful imp
I just stacked revenge to 2000% extra damage, +200% damage after charge
uneven mason
"Ignore pain has a 20% chance to trigger shield wall"
blissful imp
was pretty good
elfin lark
I like being hit has a chance to trigger ignore pain that felt good
uneven mason
the "You have infinite rage for 1.5 minutes after choosing this ability"
"Oh, really"
elfin lark
lol
cerulean quest
oh don't you?!
dusk stone
yeah cause ur not spending rage
cerulean quest
i thoguth you were spending it but it was never going down.. if that makes sense
sour sluice
I just stacked revenge to 2000% extra damage, +200% damage after charge
that one is worth stacking multiple powers of. my revenge last night was 6000% damage
open monolith
20% shieldwall on ignore pain + infinite rage for 90 seconds = bind all keys to ignore pain and enjoy invincibility
sour sluice
sweet summit
win+shift+s
sudden wyvern
So guys, i just started being able to play shadowlands now, how good is Prot warr for mythic+ content in SL, is it as awful as everyone said in beta ?
sweet summit
Tank choice will not hinder your ability to do content, if you think it does you have a lot to improve and/or is doing bleeding edge m+ keys
strong forum
Pwar is good
sudden wyvern
Its just that i played prot warr only the whole 2 years of bfa and i dont want it to be superbad cause idk, it kinda demotivates me playing a super shit class, and in beta everyone cried abotu it being the worst tank specc so just wanted to make sure it isnt super bad
dusk stone
compared to bfa tanking i like shadowlands tanking as prot warrior more
strong forum
Not a single tank is super bad
cosmic canyon
as for how it scales, how it feels in higher mythic content
strong forum
The playstyle changed
cosmic canyon
nobody knows
strong forum
So everything is a prediction at best
open monolith
Are you confusing everyone with meaningless nobodies?
strong forum
Also this
sudden wyvern
Ye ill level that toon then i enjoy protwarr the most out of all classes in this game so ye ty for your answers
idk a lot of highrio ppl even said it to be bad but idk how much is true
marsh palm
How is Venthyr for prot warriors?
open monolith
Not good
Decent on single target
Bad on aoe
Like "literally never use condemn on aoe" bad
dusk stone
hatman, unless u are going for rank 1 in io, tank choice shoulndt matter
open monolith
That being said, you can still tank just fine with it
marsh palm
That being said, you can still tank just fine with it
Thanks man, playing arms atm but considering tanking a bit aswell.
strong forum
idk a lot of highrio ppl even said it to be bad but idk how much is true
They changed their mind in late beta
If you look at fem, naowh and andybrew
open monolith
You'll be fine to tank with it, you just won't be as effective a tank as if you had kyrian or nightfae
strong forum
They all said pwar is just fine
Andy and naowh even said that pwar could very well be m+ King again
sudden wyvern
kk tyvm men, havent had the chance to be online a lot lately due to corona but thanks man
strong forum
They all also changed their mind about guardian, because it was always considered the worst tank in SL
And only a few weeks before launch
Everybody hopped onto saying it's the best tank
Nothing is set in stone
dusk stone
did they get to test out legendary powers on beta?
modern brook
Tanks continue to be in a good spot balance wise tbh
strong forum
did they get to test out legendary powers on beta?
Yes
Precisely because of legendaries bear is so strong
They have insanely good legendaries
forest fern
you predict a nerf to those legendaries after some data arrives?
still pagoda
you predict a nerf to those legendaries after some data arrives?
nah, prot warri legendaries got nerfed during beta cycle. Bear ones gonna get some nerfs for sure, but they need a damage buff
rain matrix
When i put a rune in a legendary item, can i take it out? or does it stay in forever
mellow patio
I would be surprised if they do much to bear tbh
tardy parcel
Tanks continue to be in a good spot balance wise tbh
I'm inclined to feel that way as well, given how tank discource has generally progressed since beta. There isn't a single tank class that I'd feel like, "aw shit" if I saw running a dungeon.
strong forum
Bear leggos have already been nerfed once
So, doubt
If anything is getting nerfed, it's pally dmg
mellow patio
Yeah people are way too freaked out about the upcoming tuning pass. Rarely are they very significant
brittle owl
i wouldn't be surprised paladin and elysian decree damage to get nerfed
just have 5 seconds of prescience @still pagoda
ez
still pagoda
7 by now
astral crystal
i hope dh gets a thick nerf tbh
mellow patio
If Ed damage is nerfed i riot
astral crystal
you gon go from decree to dysfunction boi
mellow patio
Cause only dummies think that class is actually good cause they do big boom on pull
brittle owl
honestly
if they nerf ED damage into the ground it's only like a 10% nerf
you'd go venthyr and spam SoF's
mellow patio
Meanwhile 30 seconds later they are running for their lives lmao
leaden vapor
Hey guys, I'm looking for an opinion on legendary choices for prot
still pagoda
mellow patio
Thunderlord for m+
brittle owl
and net result is just 10-15% lower on AoE overall
mellow patio
Wall for raid
brittle owl
wall for hardcore raid prog*
still pagoda
otherwise, stick to thunderlord/wall
still pagoda
wall for hardcore raid prog*
for general use*
i like additional rage gen
and faster SW cooldown
also, just wait for hc/mythic week tuning to hit
leaden vapor
I was more wondering about seismic reverberation for increased AoE damage and threat
still pagoda
garbage
mellow patio
if they nerf ED damage into the ground it's only like a 10% nerf
10% nerf and I riot
still pagoda
barely works unless you are using all your rage on revenge @leaden vapor
Thunderlord gives you both offensive and defensive benefits through Booming Voice talent
leaden vapor
all the prot warrior legendary powers seem very lack luster compared to other classes
mellow patio
Thunderlord is quite strong
brittle owl
eeeeeeh
still pagoda
TGV and wall are strong
sweet summit
we have two good ones ๐
mellow patio
You wanna see bad legendaries
brittle owl
should check out veng leggos 
still pagoda
as both half cooldowns of related abilities
mellow patio
Let me introduce you to vdh
'
brittle owl
arguably one really good turtle one
mellow patio
They just... donโt make sense
still pagoda
turtling is for nerds
brittle owl
they make absolutely 0 sense
still pagoda
i already have degenerate gameplay in my current Witcher 3 playthrough
mellow patio
Turtle is necessary for vdh you played one lmao
mellow patio
Wel not rn and certainly not in raid
mellow patio
Imagine making decisions
brittle owl
tru
still pagoda
just like i did in BfA
mellow patio
Bfa does not count lmao
Anything you did in bfa is out the window because of corruption
brittle owl
bfa is the reason some people will still be like
hoary pumice
If i can do level 3 on torghast, should i skip lvl 1 and lv 2?
mellow patio
Yes?
brittle owl
"LF +15 weekly PROT WARRIOR ONLY"
still pagoda
leaden vapor
I have a soul ash/torghast related question that maybe someone here can answer
mellow patio
then they will be "VENG ONLY" or "BEAR ONLY" or some shit
Baer
STRONGLY considering being bear
mellow patio
God prot pal is absolutely going to smoke 15s
leaden vapor
this week we unlocked 2 new wings and we got another 305 soul ash from both, when we've made our way back around to the original 2 wings will we be able to get the original 305 soul ash again from layers 1-3 or are those just permanently tapped
mellow patio
I believe they are perma tapped
leaden vapor
is soul ash just a finite resource then?
mellow patio
Ye. The soul ash catch up is the fact that eventually people just donโt need it anymore lmao
And youโll have enough to craft a leggo even if you miss some
leaden vapor
yes but say you want to get every legendary to 235
leaden vapor
is there like an endless torghast that just keeps providing more and more soul ash?
mellow patio
Being rank 3 while others are rank 4 is not super important
mellow patio
is there like an endless torghast that just keeps providing more and more soul a...
This I do not know the real answer to. I believe so tho
Torghast is massive
ebon jasper
at least theres a certainty in how long it'll take to get soulash
got my second binding in classic after 11 monts wait
brittle owl
if you play classic you assume these things anyway
ebon jasper
soulash is soothing for the soul at least
leaden vapor
also question about signet of tormented kings
brittle owl
and it's not "certainty" with bindings
mellow patio
This is a place for questions
brittle owl
it's how big your dick is
leaden vapor
if im tanking and I pop avatar and it bladestorms, does that count as channeling?
brittle owl
this is the big dick chat @mellow patio
mellow patio
The Chad bear has 5 legs
ebon jasper
yes robb
leaden vapor
why the shit would anyone want that lol
ebon jasper
it doesnt let you use abilities you couldnt use in BS
mellow patio
Exactly
sweet summit
you can still block during BS
brittle owl
^
leaden vapor
ok
sweet summit
and cast SR/IP/SW/LS etc etc
brittle owl
big damej
mellow patio
Donโt want
sweet summit
signet is still bad tho
brittle owl
it's only bad if they live
mellow patio
Make me immune to damage while bldestorming now we have a winner
ebon jasper
bladeclap
brittle owl
bladevenge clap
ebon jasper
blood-spattered scale though. das a neat trinket
mellow patio
Not all of us have been blessed
ebon jasper
would like myself a mythic one now
formal river
The revenge leggo looks fantastic to me and no one is planning on using it.
Am I crazy? I run a crit/haste setup
Seems fantastic
formal river
I'm planning on mostly sticking to high mythic and maybe heroic raids. Seems better for that than thealternatives. .
Revenge is chunking
Especially when I get higher crit and parry
raven dove
so I made my thunderlord as gloves, I am a blacksmith - if I upgrade say my boots recipe to rank 2 instead of gloves, can I then upgrade the legendary to boots instead of gloves?
formal river
That's fair
sweet summit
free revenge that is
raven dove
thunderlord is definitely bis for m+
if that's your goal
can usually demo shout twice a pull
granite cloud
ive got a paladin healer in my party who apparently healing the tank is a foreign concept to
sweet summit
unlucky
granite cloud
im screaming internally
sweet summit
just say wtb one heal sir healer sir
granite cloud
i genuinly think hes trying to just be a 4th dps
uneven mason
Paladins are in a rough spot still early Xpac
they don't quite have the burst healing to catch up they did in BFA
chilly brook
ive got a paladin healer in my party who apparently healing the tank is a foreig...
Can I get him as my healer in dungeons? So I don't have a healer sniping my death strikes?
granite cloud
take him off my hands im begging you
chilly brook
granite cloud
for the love of god its finally over
i crave the sweet relif of never tanking for that player again
brittle owl
just kite
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
type in chat
"this is all because of you [insert healer name]"
"enjoy slogging thru this pack"
chilly brook
Lol
granite cloud
im pretty sure i was doing as much healing as the paladin was with my potions
chilly brook
Tbh if you actually maximize your rage and dont waste IP casts your healing gets pretty high
granite cloud
the only reason that worked was im kyrian, there was a warlock in the party and victory rush plus the dps were actually super clutch
sullen drift
is it matter to waht armor piece you will create the legendary ?
chilly brook
Put it on the piece with the most stats
torn gulch
someone managed to bug something in my guild and he is on his way
to renown 7 this week
sweet summit
hacker
civic rover
man i honestly hate that the campaign is gated by renown
just give me my transmog you fucks
tardy parcel
right? i just want my cool kyrian wings
cloud wind
want those blades on my back
torn gulch
i am actually shocked
tardy parcel
flap flap mfer
cloud wind
and the enchant mog
torn gulch
that is a very big bug
glad jacinth
does the dificult of the dungeon change the drop % of legendaries?
sweet summit
ye, higher diff is higher drop % it seems
glad jacinth
gonna keep spamming spires hc than
sweet summit
dont burn yourself out yet, take some breaks in between
inland mesa
I'm big sad I may need to be a monk as we only have a mw and we got a better shaman healer. :'(
inland mesa
We have an arms for the token warrior :-/
cloud wind
how good is the armour and block value trait for torghast
inland mesa
I've been a prot warrior every tier except molten core >.<
inland mesa
Stuff actually hurts in m0 when you pull 4 packs. Least target cap makes aggro interesting
strong forum
targetcap alone is why you dont pull 4 packs
unless youre a VDH
cuz youre 98% uncapped
inland mesa
Cheating. I just spear and tab target and let two unholy dk go to town
strong forum
tab target like a man of culture
inland mesa
Or hit the pissed off ones XD
Since following skull marker is hard
Why do I have aggro?
I dunno, maybe because you opened on the last mob to be gripped in?
Monk is face roll though. Oh I see you want to hurt me, have a celestial brew
sour sluice
tab target like a man of culture
analog radish
Is the Phial of Putrefaction even good? Got it last night and it seems extremely underwhelming, 60 damage per tick on a single target?
languid heath
Sup guys, can I get a bit of an input from you? In Nya I got to take over for our 2nd tank because he had RL stuff going on. Now heโs back it seems and since heโs an officer and much longer on my guild he gets his tank spot back (which is fair I guess). Problem is I like Prot most, and the Covenants donโt overlap either so... idk know what to do. If I have to go DPS I might actually prefer to play another toon :/
uneven mason
Unsure what you're asking.
languid heath
Yeah I know xD
languid heath
Usually the answer would be โplay what you likeโ
uneven mason
โ๏ธ
lavish oracle
Kyrian and night fae are both fine options for DPS warriors, tbh
languid heath
You can also go venthyr as prot and be just fine
I can?
uneven mason
But if you don't "feel it" for Fury and Arms then, it might be better to do another class
uneven mason
playing what you enjoy for sure will prompt you to give a bigger shit about your performance.
lavish oracle
Personally, condemn feels like butt to play on prot from my experience
languid heath
playing what you enjoy for sure will prompt you to give a bigger shit about your...
I already give lots of shit ๐
Iโll give it a shot once I hit Rivendreth, still on my way to 60 due to moving places
analog radish
I did the research before picking a Covenant as I get a DPS spot in raids usually and went with Kyrian because it is also the Mythic plus spec for DPS warriors.
languid heath
Oh I thought itโs the M+ for prot only
lavish oracle
Yeah, Kyrian is great all around
uneven mason
Its a AE with tether utility, it'll be very handy in M+
languid heath
I guess Iโll push my warrior to 60 then and see how I like how Arms or Fury feels in Nathria
lavish oracle
But they're both good options
uneven mason
more or less
languid heath
Well done blitz
uneven mason
we'll see tuning week
uneven mason
yeah
cloud wind
atleast we can only go up from here ๐
uneven mason
Actually doing fairly well outside of a few specs
its just that those other specs are so over the top
its doubtful we'll get buffed on Fury or Arms
more that UDK, SP, HDH, MM will be nerfed into the dirt
analog radish
So anyone know if the Phial of Putrefaction is good? It seems extremely underwhelming but it is consistent and is guaranteed to proc instead of having a chance to. The Icy Veins guide says to use it as your passive trinket as Prot.
I have it and don't know if I like it.
ionic fern
It was stupid strong in beta, that's why it's there.
I don't think they have publicly nerfed it so it should still be strong DPS wise.
๐
UNless it was a stealth nerf
It also might seem underwhelming due to enemies dying in like...5 seconds.
So it can't ramp up properly.
chilly brook
So anyone know if the Phial of Putrefaction is good? It seems extremely underwhe...
The passive poison stack?
proper orchid
if I could get a good 2h
Did you try to get Sorrowbane yesterday?
chilly brook
Cuz it seems to do a very decent amount of damage on my dk
uneven mason
@proper orchid There are so many people griefing that its not funny.
naive swan
@uneven mason I was very surprised i got it without much difficulty yesterday, very lucky
uneven mason
mushrooms are a 2min respawn and there was shaman/rogues running around clicking them for giggles.
proper orchid
Oh? I did it late at night, hopped the server when collecting the mushrooms and it was fine... but I guess it depends on the server too
naive swan
Did you know to do the raid group trick?
uneven mason
I tried again early morning and it was the same
to not complete the WQ for the ballista yeah
naive swan
Ok good
uneven mason
But yeah, some real jersk after WoWHead published that guide
going out of their way to dick people over.
naive swan
So I actually did it again to run my brother through it, we did it in warmode
proper orchid
Shit :/ the execute is nice in open world.. so perhaps try it again next time
naive swan
And killed 2 horde in the mushroom Grove, might be less people trying it in WM
proper orchid
Another nice 2h weapon can be found in the kyrian treasure you get from the anima condoctur, but itโs only 164 or so
naive swan
Which anima conductor @proper orchid
uneven mason
the one south
naive swan
Is it good transmog?
proper orchid
Purity temple
naive swan
Thanks
proper orchid
There is a little puzzle if you direct the stream there
Treasure can contain weapon and mount and it lootable daily
naive swan
Ok cool
analog radish
The passive poison stack?
Yeah I just tested it against the raid boss dummy in Zuldazar and it seems decent. Guess I'll use it.
naive swan
I think wowhead has a guide where to find the treasure exactly
Sweet
proper orchid
They list all the special loot from the conductors, and West only got the wings
low ivy
is thunderlord best leggo?
proper orchid
Yep
low ivy
myb yea, in m+
proper orchid
Raid is โthe wallโ
naive swan
Is it confirmed higher drop rate in heroic or mythic spires?
I gotta get to farming it
low ivy
i just got it after my 6th spires run heroic
uneven mason
its a high drop rate
proper orchid
Do you guys use weapon oil or the stones from the smith? And which oil? Dmg or heal?
uneven mason
compared to the Fury one from NW
naive swan
Hmm ok
proper orchid
despite running m0 for both weeks with no drop tho ๐ฆ
Running around with a 138 shield still.... just nothing drops -.-
low ivy
i was doing m0 with nya maut trinket xd
low ivy
life is easier when everyone kicks and u reflect the casts that go thru
proper orchid
I didnโt do much M0 last week, we tried and cleared HoA
NW we didnโt get past Amarth -.-
Still not sure if my faults or dps
But since the skeletons died mere seconds before the other cast, I think dps was missing
uneven mason
I mean
as long as they're dying before his cast
And people are not getting breathed on
I had a pug that people stood on the bodies
after they killed them
and then were like "WTF HEALER"
proper orchid
Yeah but the fight was taking forever
44% after 2 skeletal phases and my cooldowns were all used XD
vocal bison
do you guys save the spear for him?
low ivy
god i love the night fae ability for caster packs
uneven mason
Should only need to dip CDs
for his frenzy
you can SR his bolt
and not stand in his breath
vocal bison
that will help shave off a bit of health if you grab the spear and save it for him
uneven mason
I've noticed a distinct lack of interupts when I pug tho
yeah, you can save both spears
vocal bison
pop avatar + spear = win
proper orchid
I think I may need to take a look for these weapons again, only used the Goliathโs for trash
But I also just started tanking, so I guess I am still learning Threat and CD management and trying to make it perfect
vocal bison
you'll get there
uneven mason
#1 thing about tanking, don't let DPS be assholes
proper orchid
I actually tanked +12 last season on a twink
But gear was a whole different level then with corruptions
uneven mason
If you have some nutter who is poping CDs before your charge is done, its his fault for getting chewed on
We lost a big chunk of our passive threat boost from our neck being gone.
proper orchid
Yeah... I have out devastate from my 1 key away and out thunderclap on the 1 so I wonโt forget it XD
Out = put
vocal bison
yea, was about to say the same
uneven mason
the threat it produces is pissing in the ocean
proper orchid
Sure? I think most guides said Punish for the debuff
vocal bison
one less thing to worry about and you'll probably do more damage anyways than trying to remember when to use devastate
proper orchid
Icy veins IIRC
uneven mason
M+ though, devastator
free up GCDs for Revs
you'll hardly ever press devastate
and its a solid way to proc more SS
proper orchid
Will try that, definitely ๐ thanks
proper orchid
Then something got changed XD
uneven mason
probably
MWahi just posted the guides like, a week ago
but its not a bad talent Punisher
just in M+ you're going to need to focus bigtime on AE
and there is no way you can maintain punish on more than 2 targets
quiet stream
what conduit is everyone planning on going into castle nathria with?
proper orchid
Rumbling earth over Stormbolt, right?
Thought SB for an extra stun but I guess faster shockwaves are better for m+
vocal bison
more stuns or faster stuns, I like more stuns
uneven mason
its targeted has a range
worn gulch
Did someone build a legendary already?
strong forum
yo pwar dmg bad i heard
proper orchid
So SB, okay, will try that two things. The rest I have exactly like IV tells... booming voice, the whole thunder clap stuff and anger management
Thanks for the talent tips so far ๐ will try it out
worn gulch
Thunderlord works well? CD timings are still okay?
worn gulch
i will craft my legendary last week. I am scared that blizz will nerf thunderlord
i just need it for m+ ๐ and its still fking m0 week -.-
worn gulch
but still thunderclord > the wall for m+
vocal bison
I've been wondering if it's worth swapping over to unstoppable force from Ravager now that I have it. But Ravager + Spear is so tasty.
uneven mason
definetly
just from a RPS standpoint
if you get thunderlord you use uF
double TCs
faster DS
vocal bison
I feel like it kind of comes down to timing, in M+ all the pulls are spaced, so if you're getting a demo shout with thunderlord now for every relevant pull, why not more deeps with ravager? Incrementally faster UF may not be worth it at a certain point in M+. May be overthinking it.
*Not UF I mean DS
woven radish
Winning
worthy ingot
GM tries to convince me to craft tgv for raid instead of waiting to make The Wall cause "it's more dps" I'm gonna be up for sainthood by the time raid opens
sweet summit
He big doo doo head
You do not need tvg to do HC so its "wasted" soulash if youre not doing lots of m+
Well, "lots"
You could craft tgv this week and then the wall on mythic week
๐คท
worthy ingot
Personally I'd like to craft nothing for awhile since our leggos are all pretty lack luster and see if something gets a big buff
warm apex
I just got 184 Piercing Verdict. Thats good right?
ionic fern
Then something got changed XD
IV has NEVER said Punish. ๐
chilly brook
Personally I'd like to craft nothing for awhile since our leggos are all pretty ...
Define lack luster cuz the wall is pretty fuckin good
That 5 extra rage adds up quite a bit
steady jay
whats tier list for covenants for prot?
gaunt igloo
basically, kyrian > night fae > necrolord >= venthyr @steady jay
fiery gust
how viable is prot warrior atm?
sweet summit
Very
strong forum
i ahve a good clip coming up
proper orchid
IV has NEVER said Punish. ๐
Then i am not sure where I got that idea XD because I normally go after IV
But perhaps I only saw the dmg reduce when reading the talents back then
Did I interpret the discussion from above right?
Once Thunderlord is equipped it might be worth switching UF for Ravager?
sweet summit
Other way around
restive torrent
what's everyone going for m+ atm cause im just seeing conflicting sides atm for stat prio along with bis sets making no sense
uneven mason
don't BiS
mellow patio
Ilvl >> haste > vers
mellow patio
Equip big number
west kayak
This is getting kinda stupid now... about to do my 13th run for today in SoA for the Lego. Did over 20 yesterday...
glass pine
Big number zug zug
sweet summit
Dont burn yourself out already
heady galleon
Got it on my first run 
west kayak
I have everything else to make it and cant get it to drop.
Seen plenty of Rets get theirs from that boss.
mellow patio
The m0 world tour has not provided
strong forum
mellow patio
And I refuse to set foot in a heroic dungeon this expac
strong forum
protwarri confirmed bad bros
heady galleon
Had pure luck on my SoA run, with the leg and a 190 shield
glass pine
Thatโs a big pull
west kayak
My healer got that shield and handed it off to me, which is nice.
sweet summit
"Lag" kappa
west kayak
Gonna run lucky #13 now, ๐
strong forum
it was legit lag
wdym
you can see the movementspeed buff of heroic leap go off 2sec later
sweet summit
๐
strong forum
after landing
fiery gust
yea but that stuff aint viable with pugs lol
strong forum
obv not
fiery gust
on my prot pala 99% of the time im self healing to survive
whats the covenant for prot?
sweet summit
Kyrian or night fae
chilly brook
This is getting kinda stupid now... about to do my 13th run for today in SoA for...
Literally no reason to spam dungeons for your legendary atm lol
chilly brook
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/823379083
Who's the cutie in the video?
strong forum
๐ณ
light thicket
How good is AM with TGV? I really like the bolster block for the gaps between SB. But if its really a lot better i might take it
sweet summit
Who's the cutie in the video?
Thats me
light thicket
Ok nevermind. I'll give you two a moment
sweet summit
Oh shit no way
Yes way
chilly brook
Ok nevermind. I'll give you two a moment
It's ok afaik bolster is the play for higher difficulty content period
light thicket
Maybe when we get gear with higher haste as so the gaps are smaller? Or not even then?
chilly brook
With higher haste we'd honestly have more reason to go bolster tbh
sweet summit
Until m+ opens
chilly brook
You'd have nuts uptime on block
Since block adds to bolster duration and skips the AM cap
chilly brook
protwarri confirmed bad, i cant stress it enough <a:hippo:779057321241346108>
Were you running DR or BV?
sweet summit
There is an am cap?
strong forum
BV
honest plinth
what is even dr after nerf
sweet summit
Rawr
light thicket
Protection weebrrior
humble sentinel
Looking for warriors for a m0 spam run on Thursday at 8pm PST Alliance side. We are all geared and missing only a couple slots, it's a FULL PLATE run. Nearly guarantees you'll be full 184 by the end of the night with trinkets and rings. DM me or message me in general or arms. Two slots open.
strong forum
chilly brook
There is an am cap?
Yes you can only get like 3x the duration of your AM for most classes
light thicket
Ilvl first of all
leaden steeple
ty!
sweet summit
#promotion next time
light thicket
Ilvl>>>haste>vers>=crit>=mast
That should be a macro by now
humble sentinel
Kk
chilly brook
what is even dr after nerf
I've still seen the occasional 7k crit from DR
leaden steeple
thunderlord on feet or hands?
jagged pier
feet
sweet summit
Oops
leaden steeple
so I can go with the 190?
sweet summit
Thats rank 1 isnt it?
leaden steeple
dunno
jagged pier
yer rank 1
sweet summit
Ye
rocky linden
I'm still considering whether to make it now or wait for raid week to see if there are major buffs or nerfs.
At least on my DH I'd be absolutely shocked if Elyssian Decree isn't nerfed into the ground.
vocal bison
the legendary recipe never dro
think of how LEGENDARY it will be when it does drop
pallid hollow
bro, i got all legendary on my druid on first weeeeeekkkkk
now the legendary i actually need doesn't dropppp
rocky linden
How's druids looking for M+? Should be next on my leveling list
vocal bison
does feral still exist in M? I think they were endangered in BFA, might have gone extinct.
pulsar ginkgo
yo guys what you chose for last talent ? anger management or bolster in mythic +0 spam
rocky linden
I can't imagine feral will be much present
pallid hollow
Resto is strong in BFA, and now have steroids with convoke in Boomkin form, guaranteed starfall cast
rocky linden
I was thinking of guardian exclusively tbh
ionic fern
I like resto...out DPS'ing the DPS.
rocky linden
Imagine not actually tanking... ๐ฎ
ionic fern
granite cloud
dont ya love it when an entire party just doesnt understand the concept of dont stand in fire
pallid hollow
Oh guardian druid? it's in the bin dwag, shit's trash
strong forum
not sure if trolling or not
fiery remnant
do you have to do levels 1 2 and 3 or can you just do 3 and get all the soul ash
strong forum
can just do 3
fiery remnant
sweet ty
vocal bison
can do only 3 once you've done a 1 and 2
warm blaze
hey guys what food buff should i be buying? is it tenebrous crown roast aspic?
west kayak
Literally no reason to spam dungeons for your legendary atm lol
Why not when I could use it now?
granite cloud
but if i foguth you itd be unbearable
vocal bison
bears turn into prot warriors when they level up, you heard it here first folks
eternal idol
Does turning in the quest 'The Final Piece' Consume your Soul Ash? And secondly, does it matter what ilevel Rune Vessel you pick to complete the quest?
pallid hollow
it doesn't matter, but i'll be surpsied if you have enough soul ash to make legendary higher than 190
light thicket
hey guys what food buff should i be buying? is it tenebrous crown roast aspic?
I tend to go for haste food
Or versa ir dont have any
uneven mason
anyone else finding farming cooking mats to be horribly obnoxious
with drop rates stupidly low
pull 10 animals - get 1 meat
light thicket
2 of you are HM tauren