So does anyone know why secondaries > primary stats for prot?
#protection
lusty karma
frosty hare
with the 2 other specs its easy to clear but last boss 😮
lusty karma
I could understand haste/vers maybe but crit/mastery > strength seems weird to me, does it just sim better?
eager iron
Be sure to explore. The execute power + buying a rage mote makes it easy
narrow karma
@lusty karma from what I gather from the IV article, the priority is set that way mostly for enchants/gems.
jolly thistle
Be aware tho that if you buy the ragemote you won’t get any healing from indomitable since you’re not spending rage
narrow karma
@lusty karma you’ll naturally take items with more strength as iLvl>stats
sick sentinel
Hey about to craft thunderlord leggo. Hands or feet? Gonna choose haste/crit for M+ prio
lusty karma
@narrow karma Yeah just read that, the wowhead guide didn't have that info, thanks for the help!
@sick sentinel the wowhead guide says feet, not sure about the iv guide one sec
sick sentinel
IV says feet or hands, I'm going feet.
jolly thistle
feet have a little bit more armor.
lusty karma
Here's what it says on feet - "Crafting Preference: Feet - Boots are generally itemized worse than Gloves in the first tier of Shadowlands"
jolly thistle
and I don’t think the last bosses drop feet or hands with higher itemlvl
lusty karma
Yeah the boot options from CN are either Crist/Haste or Haste/Mastery
while the Gloves option is Haste/Vers
so if you want haste/vers boots you have to go the legendary route
note that eventually though you'll get The Wall from the raid which seems to be a better raid leggo
Same reason why when you craft The Wall you do shoulder, no Haste/Vers shoulders from CN
but there is a Haste/Vers back
Hope that helps
still pagoda
IV says feet or hands, I'm going feet.
No other slot you can put it on
All legendaries are assigned 2 pieces of gear they can go on
sick sentinel
I didn't imply otherwise
vocal flame
I went feet @sick sentinel and not looking back lol
tawny panther
does signet work for prot?
lusty karma
Anyone know what ranking up the legendary armor pieces does for BS? Looking at wowhead it doesn't increase ilvl so not sure if I should get it max rank before doing a leggo or not
I mean the base items not the actual legendary
jolly thistle
Signet works but it’s underwhelming for prot
brave jetty
Is Fueled By Violence really that undertuned?
jolly thistle
you can only craft a rank 1 legendary this week. If you want to upgrade it at some point you need a higher base itemlevel craft and the difference in soul ashes. The only thing you are loosing if you craft a rank 1 this week is the money on the rank 1 base item
jolly thistle
Is Fueled By Violence really that undertuned?
yes. It’s a small HoT. A very small one
spice musk
Hey i guys im a little confused wowhead and icy veins have complete differente pre raid bis lists
soo which one is better or why they are different
spice musk
ya but same ilvl 😄
chilly brook
Then follow basic stat priority
spice musk
i have pretty much everything on the icy list
But Wowhead has a pretty much different
chilly brook
BiS won't really matter until Mythic drops and we have an actual max ilvl to achieve
steel mauve
bis lists are more of a guideline, still should be able to use your own judgement and follow a stat order of ilvl>haste>versa>=crit>mastery
spice musk
or haste crit when i want more mythic fokus right
west kayak
How many Spires runs did it take y'all to get your Lego? I am nearing 30+...
steel mauve
ya crit over versa for m+
vocal flame
How many Spires runs did it take y'all to get your Lego? I am nearing 30+...
Maybe im lucky but I got it on my 5th normal run
warm sigil
anyone have a ravager quick cast macro?
vocal flame
Anyone know what ranking up the legendary armor pieces does for BS? Looking at w...
It goes from 190 to 210 (rank 2) which is 750 soul ash
vocal flame
week*
I think the community is split on this. A lot are crafting and a lot are waiting for the tuning. I crafted cause it was fun and what else will I do with my gold?
warm sigil
i was lucky enough to get the 190 boe shield drop
open monolith
Don't lie to me. You bought it off the ah
warm sigil
graph too much math. ptsd
steady spruce
looks like boe drops
Damn Legendary feet are cheap
should i buy some? i ha ve no idea
inland yarrow
lusty karma
@vocal flame does it maintain that pattern of 20ilvl per rank?
so if i go rank 4 i get 250 ilvl boots?
vocal flame
<@!276738706709413888> does it maintain that pattern of 20ilvl per rank?
You won’t have enough ash for another couple of weeks to go rank 4 it’s 5150 total
lusty karma
jesus the ranks on these things are insane, 150xp for rank 3 to level in bs
vocal flame
<@!276738706709413888> does it maintain that pattern of 20ilvl per rank?
Yeah it’s the same just higher ilevel
gusty lion
hey outta curiosity.....how do you guys deal w/ over zealous DPS that go balls to the wall while you're still charging?
I charge, and thunderclap and shout, but sometimes dps still pull and since we lack AoE what can i do
steady spruce
Do you use threatplates or a similar addon ?
tiny sphinx
"lack aoe" - whut?
gusty lion
@tiny sphinx i mean ya.. i originally tanked as prot paladin.. no aoe threat issues there
sweet orchid
We don't lack AoE but my AoE threat certainly feels weak.
gusty lion
but for warrior, if i thunderclap / revenge and they still pull threat
theres a serious issue for me 😦
maybe im doing something wrong
tiny sphinx
we got challenging shout back, and avatar can make t-clap cd basically every other global, dunno what else to tell ya
tame wyvern
what is the best way of farming Thunderlord guys?
gusty lion
you have avatar up every 5 min...
tiny sphinx
avatar should be up every minute roughly
gusty lion
thats not a reliable answer imo, you're just being obnoxious at this pt
sweet orchid
I never had this issue in bfa though.
tiny sphinx
sometimes less
gusty lion
1.5 min sorry
tiny sphinx
im dropping hints what talents to pick
avatar's cd can be under a minute under ideal conditions
tiny sphinx
that's quite amazing actually
gusty lion
how do you make it under 1min?
tiny sphinx
read what anger management does
vocal flame
what is the best way of farming Thunderlord guys?
I would do heroic once a day and normal as many times as you can stomach it
vocal flame
Being forced into a talent just to make par isn't amazing.
I agree, I use ravager with spear and spam TC as much as possible and watch who I have to taunt
tiny sphinx
it's a talent that meshes with tons of other abilities and increases your pace of play, what more do you want?
tame wyvern
I would do heroic once a day and normal as many times as you can stomach it
alright thanks for ur help
sweet orchid
Buffs to TC to make it more viable baseline
gusty lion
aww forgot about that
vocal flame
Buffs to TC to make it more viable baseline
I just got the leg boots with thunder lord so I’ll see how that goes with ravager
vocal flame
I charge, and thunderclap and shout, but sometimes dps still pull and since we l...
With BV you can Rev, shout then clap too. Plenty of rage left. Mix it around and see what works for you.
little herald
Dragon's Roar is actually pretty decent for snap threat, but you have to give up Booming Voice.
tiny sphinx
Buffs to TC to make it more viable baseline
you can play whatever the heck build you want and do fine, and yeah it is limiting to know there's only one cutting edge way to do something, but it's really only an issue when other people are playing their specs in their cutting edge method
lavish oracle
I've been running DR, literally never worry about threat
Not sure how the damage stacks up against BV overall, I'd have to imagine DR is still better offensively
At least comparable even with thunderlord's
little herald
For M0, I find avatar isn't up fast enough for every pack.. so every second pack threat is a bit sketchy sometimes
gusty lion
Ya thats my exp
vocal flame
For M0, I find avatar isn't up fast enough for every pack.. so every second pack...
You running AM?
lavish oracle
I stagger spear if I think that's going to be the case
little herald
I'm gonna try DR again this week, with Ravager and Bolster
I'm Night Fae, I really like their skill. When you control mob positioning, you almost always get full value
simple mural
The real trick is to always run with a hunter. 😄
gusty lion
Haha
vocal flame
Haha true
gusty lion
Good idea
tiny sphinx
or a rog, (not even sure if rogs got their misdirect back)
lavish oracle
Little worried about skittish this xpac, might just have to tell DPS to chill
vocal flame
I'm gonna try DR again this week, with Ravager and Bolster
I use BV, AM, and Ravager and am liking it for M0.
little herald
I got an epic Unnerving Focus conduit (39% rage gen while last stand is up), so I want to try it with Bolster this week.
vocal flame
I got an epic Unnerving Focus conduit (39% rage gen while last stand is up), so ...
Oh wow haha that will be nice
empty locust
Super thrilled to have the thundergods back on! Cannot wait to get into mythic plus now
One of my all time favourite bits of gear
little herald
I'm stoked to have execute back. Feels badass to execute as a tank
dense pivot
got thunderlord from 1st heroic wtf, is game wants me to tank
I hope it's not legiony system with increased drop chance for first lego
lavish oracle
Thunderlord's is cool, but I think I'm gonna stick with the Wall for M+
Will have to try them both out, though
2 minute shield wall to help fill shield block gaps seems like it's probably better overall as far as damage smoothing goes
lavish oracle
Yeah, true, kinda locked into BV with thunderlord's
sour sluice
Torghast is fun. Pretty sad it didn’t crit, however. Still 50% of the final boss of the wing
lavish oracle
Probably a little bit better than 2 minutes of shield wall CDR, huh?
With like 17% haste and no shield slam resets you can get 2 minutes by just casting shield slam on cooldown
limpid pawn
what's the main benefit doing callings?
im getting a bunch of greys, is there a chance at something huge
empty locust
Rep and gold
tiny sphinx
decent chunk o change too
north dove
Plus one if you're unlucky and your only legendary memory is Battlelord from Torghast
limpid pawn
for blacksmithing, where do you gain the patterns for the legendaries?
I did it on my monk/leatherworking but can't recall where i got them
steel mauve
open the runecarver
when you get the quest to get 1250 ash you also get the lego patterns
sick sentinel
Is venthyr for prot really just not that good?
steel mauve
its good single target, which makes it decent in raids but pretty bad in m+ since the condemn debuff only effects one target
sick sentinel
Gotcha. Yeah im thinking mythic plus for sure. I wont have much time to raid
glacial skiff
so should i save avatar to use with ravager?
i've been using ravager followed by demo shout for the extra 20% damage plus defense
wanton minnow
the soulbind effects are everywhere right? not just openworld
glacial skiff
also if i use avatar during ravager does it apply to the damage ?
clever bronze
Torghast is fun. Pretty sad it didn’t crit, however. Still 50% of the final boss...
Heroic Throw: 30 damage
Ah, I see you're not the only one who uses Heroic Throw as they Charge mobs XDDD
I'm reading the wowhead talent guide. What is it that makes Ravager part of the Defensive talent build instead of UF?
Is it because of the on-demand rage generation being better for defensive utility?
Or is it because UF must be used with AM, but AM is less defensive than Bolster?
steel mauve
ravager generates a massive amount of rage in aoe situations
tender burrow
I knows its protection chat, anyone temp to get the sorrow sword? Not many people trying this time?
signal plover
rav is big rage regardless of targets
limpid pawn
ravager/dragon roar playstyle sux
keen pivot
Hi all, tanking right now, and I avoided devastator in BFA, but I'm taking it because it's so strongly recommended. I am finding I have a lot of dead time, TC and SS on cd and rage starved with nothing to press. Is this just because our gear is crap right now? I am normally fury in raids etc, so I am used to never missing a GCD.
clever bronze
@keen pivot It will heavily depend on RNG and other talents, but for example, you might be spending too many of your CDs all at once and simply dumping it all on IPs and Revenges when you don't need to (or simply capping Rage).
You can mitigate the problem of being rage-starved with lots of empty GCDs by simply not spending so many GCDs on cooldowns that you don't need to be wasting.
This is, of course, assuming you're taking high damage while rage-starved. If not, then yes, burn your CDs because that will guarantee the most damage output, and you'll have to live with the temporary burnout.
Remember: tanking is just DPSing with more armor :^)
old flame
Any reason to set up/use Kleia this week? Or just Pelagos for lyfe?
tardy parcel
I knows its protection chat, anyone temp to get the sorrow sword? Not many peopl...
Talking about Sorrowbane or whatever? I just grabbed it like 20min ago, Tichondrius US, WM off. Was empty other than a random mage that I think was just leveling
worthy karma
Anyone have a decent theorycraft doc for soulbinds and conduits? The wowhead article is pretty lack luster for us
pure sun
Is there a way to sim as prot? I'm stuck between 2 items rn and simming only works in a DPS spec.
undone sun
you cannot sim defensively, you can sim for your damage output in prot
worthy karma
^
west prairie
sick sentinel
if my goal is simply to run keys +10 or +15 whatever the cap is for week, will my covenant choice be meaningful and impactful?
sick sentinel
what i've heard is kyrian is the best, but i really don't know, still 59, nearly 60
no plans to go for +20 keys, no idea about raiding, someone said best m+ tank is DH
open monolith
okay
but what do YOU want to do.
"no plans to go for +20 keys" equates to: play whatever you want
literally everything is viable
sick sentinel
and i should be able to pug and time weekly chest caps easily, not with like a defined group.
using whatever one
open monolith
literally everything is viable
sick sentinel
okay great. so i think the way it works is whatever the zone abilities are, those are also what i get for joining them?
just i can use them anywhere in SL? i'm going into this pretty blind
hearty knoll
I got lucky with a thunderlord drop, I've seen mixed info on stats for the item. I'm torn between haste / vers or haste mastery at this point? Any tips or guiding benchmarks I need to shoot for with mastery or vers? Asking stats because of the soul ash investment gets expensive
sick sentinel
took a while, but there it is
finally decided to hit lvl 60
what armor piece is best legendary piece for prot tanks ? i cant seem to find it in the info
like helm.. chest?
no idea honestly
sick sentinel
what armor piece is best legendary piece for prot tanks ? i cant seem to find it...
For the wall its shoulders & for TGV its either. Rule of thumb seems to be, put it on the item with the highest stats.
brittle owl
when is it 20 rage and when is it 40 rage for Condem/execute?
you spend between 20 and 40 rage depending on what you have available
it will always spend 40 if you have 40 or more rage
lethal mauve
Might lose my mind spamming Spires at this rate 😐
open monolith
oh man
they added a line to Kleia that made her omegabad
after you heal with her, you get a 1 minute debuff and you can't gain any more stacks
so if someone falls under 50 while you have 1 stack, gg 1 minute until you can gain more
lucid dew
im I going to get shit on if i go venthyr
i play both tank and dps and I ant fucking decide im having way more fun with venthyr
teal junco
novel temple
whats with the different ilvl pieces on the ah for gear?
does it mean we can get a higher ilvl piece for crafting something of higher ilvl?
sweet summit
For legendaries?
novel temple
yeah
sweet summit
Higher ranks
sweet summit
Unless you somehow have the soul ash needed already, no
novel temple
rip lol
fair crystal
so quick question how's everyone macroing there Spear of bastion ? @cursor or @target ?
lavish oracle
I'm just clicking it because I'm garbage
atomic axle
Can we craft the 210 ilvl legendaries? or does it need to be the 190s?
as of right now*
lavish oracle
We don't have the soul ash for the 210s yet
shell elm
Whats better for M+ and fun wise, Blood Dk or Prot war?
clear sapphire
So "should" we craft a leggo this week or wait (got TGV)
lavish oracle
I personally think the Wall is better across the board
clear sapphire
Thats not he Q. We know its better
fair crystal
I'm just clicking it because I'm garbage
hahaha I feel ya with that one 😄
clear sapphire
Doesnt mean its going to drop
lavish oracle
That's fair, then there's no right answer
Listen to your heart
You will understand
shell elm
I know am asking in warr disc lol
cosmic canyon
I personally think the Wall is better across the board
my take-away also
cosmic canyon
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/legendary-recipes-drop-locations-sources-shadowlands-memory-of-the-runecarver
https://www.wowhead.com/item=183391/memory-of-the-wall
shell elm
Ahhh thought you were answering to my blood vs prot thing
lavish oracle
I like prot better, more mobile, faster play style
lavish oracle
It's less self reliant in low damage situations because it doesn't have the mountains of self healing bdk does but it takes way less damage overall
civic rover
warr is proactive, DK is reactive
lavish oracle
We don't have a ton of utility but the stuff we have is pretty good, rallying cry and battle shout are great in raid and in dungeons we have a lot of cc. in the form stuns and our fear
Berserker rage sees some use sometimes too
Kyrian spear has some potential uses also
shell elm
I have a 173 dk but I think I'll level a venthyr warrior it looks fun and it would be my tanking toon
Thx for your help
mint forum
Prot war is weak right now isn't it?
lavish oracle
It's fine
drifting glade
prot war feels fine to me
lavish oracle
I think prot is actually going to be insane in a patch or two
drifting glade
the only thing that really sucks is no grip tbh
lavish oracle
We scale like crazy with gear
drifting glade
i really wish i had a grip when i play prot
mint forum
I have been told to gtfo to dps by healer :D
drifting glade
??? maybe he was confused
lavish oracle
People are stupid
drifting glade
prot warrior isnt a dps despite its stellar aoe dps
civic rover
people look at tierlists without context
drifting glade
easy to mix it up
lavish oracle
Happened last xpac too and warrior was busted
By all means though, let them think pwar sucks so we can get buffed and be broken as hell again
lavish oracle
With the vanguard buff and how well we scale with secondaries, I'm pretty sure we're gonna be busted either way
The only difference is if it takes one patch or two
drifting glade
vanguard buff?
eager phoenix
lavish oracle
Which means we scale really well off of primary stat
drifting glade
funnily enough I keep hearing talk saying that primaries dont matter anymore for classes
I don't actually know if it's true, though
open monolith
bladedancer's armor kit looks real bad
it's real bad right?
like as bad as Klei is now that she was nerfed?
civic rover
the way warrior works, it'll always be a good tank
drifting glade
maybe we're all just really far into denial
mental scarab
😂
mental scarab
^
drifting glade
the tier lists seem to think we're not very good
lavish oracle
Until they fix block values we're always going to be the best at tanking straight physical hits
drifting glade
not that I believe them but it's still interesting
civic rover
well yeah when you compare warrior to bear, pally, and DH, we aren't going to look fantastic
open monolith
the 1 minute debuff after it triggers
drifting glade
ah
prisma gorge
eternal dropping of TGV 😦
open monolith
valiant strikes is now literally useless
drifting glade
was it competitive before
drifting glade
maybe I'm dumb but from what i've been reading most guides for a lot of classes recommend only the first soulbind
open monolith
uh huh
drifting glade
maybe blizzard doesnt want to the 2nd/3rd soulbind to be strong
since they're locked behind a larger grind
beats me
lavish oracle
Just based on looking at some DPS Sims, it seems like some of the additional soulbinds have certain niches
Like multi-target vs ST
Usually the gap doesn't seem big, though
civic rover
off topic but whoever invented faction tagging can go step on a lego
nothing like watching a boomkin moonfire something once and its faction taged
agile stag
hehe starfall goes brrrrr
eager phoenix
where can i read the kleia change? cant find it in dec 1 och nov 30 blueposts
winged gorge
eager phoenix
dont think the change is that bad
turbid cargo
it went from marginally useful to absolute dogshit lol
eager phoenix
right
tulip helm
is that a soul bind thing?
eager phoenix
the first one you pick as kleia
tulip helm
in which covenant? is kleia?
civic rover
@winged gorge Kleia was looking good but rn Pelagos is the winner winner chicken dinner soulbind for kyrian
turbid cargo
which is sad considering what they did to Let Go of the Past
open monolith
@eager phoenix the change is worse than you think
you can't gain any stacks for the full 1 minute duration of that debuff
so you have 2 stacks, someone goofs and gets sub 50%, bam, 1 minute no stacks
k now you're up to 4 stacks! someone sub 50% bam, 1 minute no more stacks
it's literally useless now
eager phoenix
it will be changed again, im chilling
eager phoenix
i think they messed up with the intention. they wanted to tune down the healing not shaft the stack mechanic
benefit of valiant strike is surely read as the healing, not the stacks.
solar crown
What, this change is on live? If so, how did it get through beta without anyone saying 'dude, try again'
eager phoenix
its the usual dance: nerf hard, slowly bring it back. in the end it will be good enough and we wont remember the little tears week 2 of SL. also: i got a feeling we'll end up being Forgelite hipsters before this show is over when Bron's call 90 attack madness becomes 35
surreal jay
how are people doing getting dungeon memories? are the droprates for stuff like thunderlord better than deathmaker lmao
solar crown
I wont get it untill bliz figures out they need the legendary-merchant again, so you can bring a token and exchange it for the memory you want/need.
The droprate is so shit and in already tired of spamming the dungeon for it
I still cant believe bliz couldnt remember they have been down this path with RNG before
mellow patio
Sell
Those will get replaced by most meaningful content. Sell them while you can get gold
solar crown
Depends om what you already have i guess, and if you need gold or not :D
How i see it:
Boe items will probably be replaced when hc raid comes out, so i wouldnt buy a boe from the ah. But people pay loads for boe items atm, so you can benefit a lot from that
solar crown
Shields are important for prot so i would have done the same
warm sigil
plus it was only selling for 60k
solar crown
Im still lumping around with ny 138 shield 
agile stag
bis stats. In my ah those are 35k so i just straight out bought em xD
very good shoulders
solar crown
eager phoenix
its fine
unborn wren
wondering at the moment between prot warrior, dh and prot pala
i exclusively play tank so i'm curious if i should stick to my BFA main which was prot warr 😄
eager phoenix
fotm for initial s1 will be dh for sure
mellow patio
All three are solid options and tbh dh isn’t as strong as people are making it out to be
eager phoenix
dh has good utility and sustain. its reminding of early bfa with dks being all the rage
shit will flatten out later. play what you want. doubt your success in m+ will be decided on tank choice
mellow patio
Other tanks scale wayyyyyy better with gear than dh does once people are juiced out dh falls off quite a bit
tough zealot
Hi. Main dps here trying War Prot because it feels really good (and i was once main tank).
But, something is bugging me. Is it normal to have threat problem with packs of monsters ?
mellow patio
If you have significant threat problems it’s likely a play issue unless your dps are apes in which case let them die
Not using revenge enough is a real thing rn
tough zealot
I'm using it on procs only currently.
The fault is probably mixt. Dps often starting dps right after the pull but i wonder if i can do something aside Thunder Clap and Whirlwind.
mellow patio
You will need to use revenge more than just when it is free
agile stag
charge > avatar sheildblock taunt combo > clap > shout > revenge ( regardless if proc or not)
then throw ur ravager spear on bignpacks
thorn nacelle
Think of Thunderclap as three sunders. Always good opener and drop ravager (or spear) to get extra threat for Revenges
Dam metal beat me to it lol
mellow patio
Spear and ravager being used well are also big threat generators
agile stag
x)
tough zealot
Oh
strong forum
Revenge is your main offensive rage spender
agile stag
You need to rely on the revenge early. after u done the opener u can pump it on SB and ignore pain
tough zealot
Didnt read that Revenge does damages in front. For me, it was solo target xD
solar crown
I'm using it on procs only currently.
The fault is probably mixt. Dps often st...
If you use ww you already lost my friend.. throw it off the actionbar and forget it exist
strong forum
That's some old school shit
Dunno when they reworked revenge to be aoe, last time I remembered would be wrath for it to be single target
tough zealot
I'll replace it with Demo. Shout (to have it close to my eyesight)
Ok. Thanks for the tips 😄
mellow patio
Yeah delete ww
tough zealot
It will probably be much better now xD
agile stag
nps. have a good one
mellow patio
Forget it ever existed
tough zealot
Ha ha, ok ok ^^
agile stag
Good way to practise is que normal spires to farm thunderlord lege. Once you get it drop youll be master in prot XD
tough zealot
Thunderlord is this good ? I'm carefull about nerf next week
mellow patio
If someone holds you hostage irl and tells you to press ww or else... you accept your fate and do not press ww
agile stag
Yeah. Prot is furthest away from top so id not worry about nerfs
mellow patio
No need to craft legendary until after tuning pass
agile stag
and the legendary is in good balance. But ur choice pfc
cinder nova
What should I be using in my first Endurance Conduit since assuming I'll get Brutal Vitality off KT is highly optimistic.
mellow patio
But can still get the recipe
tough zealot
I'm planning to wait m+ before crafting one.
mellow patio
There you go then
agile stag
Do we get to renown 6 or 7 this week?
cinder nova
6
agile stag
rip no conduit slot then
cinder nova
I'm aware, but I'm trying to plan for something to throw into it that's ideal before raid.
tough zealot
Thanks a lot.
Good game to you. I'll stay here a bit longer to see pined message.
cinder nova
There's no point in letting your slot sit empty and pray to RNJesus to drop the right one in your lap.
agile stag
The rare conduit is also pretty good, so just look wq's
solar crown
@tough zealot 1 more thing, you can pick ravager as a talen as well, that will probably help you out :) it will generate lots of rage as well, which you can use on more revenge
cinder nova
I was looking at Fueled by Violence or Iron Maiden.
Because Unnerving Focus looks dumb as hell, and I can't imagine every reasonably taking it without some serious changes to it.
lavish oracle
Am I overthinking this? if I'm using the Wall in M+, when should I be using Shield Wall during a pull in order to get the highest mitigation uptime? Do I want to use it near the start to be able to start reducing the CD with shield slam asap or do I want to use it towards the end when I'm running out of SB charges/last stand
does it even matter?
trim jasper
wish i could find the courage to tank with randoms lol
tough zealot
Ravager ? I'm using Unstoppable Force currently. Is it not worth it ?
trim jasper
last time i tried dps said i was going too slow 😛
mellow patio
That’s when you say “enjoy your dps queue” and leave
solar crown
Ravager ? I'm using Unstoppable Force currently. Is it not worth it ?
It is, but ravager is good damage (aka aggro) and good rage gain, so it will solve your agro-issues when its available. Just try it out and see if you like it
I believe the sims say ravager and anger management is "better" in terms of dps as well, the yellows can correct me if im wrong
tough zealot
I'll keep my talent for the moment with the use of Revenge, but if it's still a problem, i'll follow your advice. Ty
tough zealot
So Unstoppable Force will be droped to Ravager (for m+ purpose) ?
solar crown
I've tried both and i like ravager better. It just feels so good to put down :D
tough zealot
Oh no rage required
solar crown
strong forum
Ravager is capped to 8 targets
earnest lava
Any reason not to switch to ravager for dungeons?
fringe marten
What is this Phalynx or Larian choice thing? is it just a mount?
solar crown
i should read the tooltip before dishing out advise
rough needle
Nop
does the math say ravager > uf even with thunderlord/booming voice? seems like that interaction should be pretty nuts
strong forum
That interaction is only aight at best for m+ because you have to play AM aswell to make UF worth it
strong forum
For lower keys sure
rough needle
unfortunately no higher keys for a while 😦 m0 is p boring for 2 weeks
glacial skiff
so should i save avatar to use with ravager? i've been using ravager followed by demo shout for the extra 20% damage plus defense
maiden ravine
You will see 15s the first week
I use bolster because it lets me spam condemn at the start of a boss fight or revenge in trash
strong forum
Typically Avatar should line up naturally with Ravager
Same with demo
Ravager and demo have the same CD
Avatar is 2x CD of ravager and Demo
With AM, Avatar has roughly 50% less CD making them line up pretty much for every cast
limber temple
UF is *playable* but Ravager is better
Confirmed. I switched from UF to Ravager last night. OH MY GAWD the difference.
glacial skiff
They don’t always though especially in the new dungeons since they have varying degrees of travel distance between packs and downtime LOL
strong forum
"typically"
glacial skiff
I assumed you’d wanna pair the two though generally and preferably with demo shout to get the most out of it?
strong forum
Yes
glacial skiff
Either way you’d wanna use ravager first right?
strong forum
Use everything on CD pretty much
Idk Im not set on which order
Only thing I look out for is demo before spear
glacial skiff
Since it lasts 10s and demo will end ravager finishes due to GCD
Oh yeah for sure. Sadly I’m a venthyr LOL
Or luckily. Idk which.
I pump on bosses. 😅
glacial skiff
Once I see how raid is and tuning happens I’ll consider kyrian again. I’m dps MS and we’re not looking so hot atm
glacial skiff
And I need to squeeze any dps I can during early prog LOL.
maiden ravine
Condemn is fun, I enjoy it
Can't wait to unlock Theotar even if Nadjia haste is likely better
glacial skiff
Yeah it’s nice but what I need to see is if the burst provided by spear outshines it
I’m thinking it may in some scenarios
maiden ravine
Spear is burst and rage, even I'll admit it's likely more useful
glacial skiff
Oh I hate nadja’s haste thing
Every tine it procs in m0 is after combat lmao
It needs to be like 30 stacks instead of 40
maiden ravine
That'll stop being a problem in raids and m+
glacial skiff
Yeah in raid for sure. Idk about m+ but we’ll see. It could still happen depending on your dps
maiden ravine
If you're killing stuff that fast in m+, do higher keys haha
cloud wind
the problem is gaining stacks on kill
maybe they should just remove that part and buff the one you gain from in combat
maiden ravine
Yeah, but still, haste yummy haste
I need to finish my bear m0s and grind a heroic blood scale and then get my warrior m0 done
This week feels so much smoother
Stradama is silly with the 3 slime buffs
strong forum
Just kinda very terrible
That's the stamina one right
Stam as only stat = bad
9ppm = bad
The 20sec CD is thus a bait, as you don't reach 9 stacks within that 20sec CD you need 1 full minute for a 5k heal
Very very terrible
Trinket needs an atleast 100% buff to be alright
obsidian moon
Hi, I'm thinking of playing tank as an alt. I usually play casually tank as a main but now I'm playing rogue as a main. I'm torn between prot pala and prot warrior mostly for mythic+ dungeons and some casual lfr. I read that prot warrior has been nerfed a lot and prot pala buffed a lot. Could you give me some points how to decide?
strong forum
Well that depends entirely on you what you prefer. Both are perfectly fine to play offensively and defensively.
Pally has been reworked coming into SL and does alot of dmg
ionic fern
Nerfbat when
strong forum
lavish oracle
Oh, it's only 9 ppm, yikes
I kinda assumed 5k heal every 20s
250 hps seems useable, 83 hps does not
dense vessel
ionic fern
Sure.
But looking at the past they are more prone to nerfing the over performers.
Especially since it's just 1 tank they have to nerf instead of buffing 5 others.
I hope i'm wrong tho.
👀
proven grail
I haven't been a tank since early cata and man do i feel prot got bad. Do people feel like it's fun right now gameplay wise ? It feels so wrong. :/
proven grail
Maybe because i main fury :S
strong forum
Is gud
flat nymph
Yeah i love prot right now
fossil sparrow
how's prot rn?
strong forum
Good
flat nymph
Good
fossil sparrow
saw someone link a m+ thing yesterday, prot was..in the bottom tier 
naturally, I managed to get a mythic 1h before a 2h for arms, time to give prot a whirl for a bit
strong forum
Fucking tierlists
Just... Stop
I cba
You know that all tanks are good, if you need tiers, nobody is worse than A tier
You have S-tier and A-Tier, that's it
fossil sparrow
I mean it was strictly for m+ so from beta, how true it was idk
lavish oracle
Prot's cool this xpac but it's hard to improve on BFA prot, it just felt so good to play
fossil sparrow
see, that explains alot
strong forum
Everybody that makes lists, sucked off vdh and prot pally on beta
Doing 98% of keys as those
They did then, if at all, half a key as prot
fossil sparrow
so far my baseline for tanks in dungeons are based off prot paladins
strong forum
And said "yip bad"
fossil sparrow
there's alot of them
lavish oracle
Yeah, literally every tier list I saw was people saying 'didn't play (or play with) very many prot warriors but they're bad'
fossil sparrow
time to get baited into using condemn instead of ip
sweet summit
Tank choice will not hinder your ability to do content, if you think it does just play better :)
fossil sparrow
so long as it's not the start of bfa, it's workable
sweet summit
?
jagged pier
we were really good at the start of bfa if played correctly
lavish oracle
We were fucking good start of bfa
strong forum
The only thing that was bad in S1 was perception
Just like right now
That being said, we're better right now
lavish oracle
The buff honestly just gave people an excuse to play warrior after they'd written it off
fossil sparrow
how useful is whirlwind?
strong forum
0
lavish oracle
Not
fossil sparrow
unbound it is then
lavish oracle
Literally never press it
sweet summit
Looks cool
jagged pier
get the WW power in torghast so you ww when you slam thats quite fun
strong forum
Now that I think about it
Why don't we have more legendary powers tied to shield slam
Or shield block
Literally our 2 main buttons
mental scarab
To good👻👻
sweet summit
Paladin stole out shields
jagged pier
I had it in my run today and stacked ww damage and healing and stacked it to 99% chance to cast ww was awesome
mental scarab
100% SB uptime
lavish oracle
Yeah, they're scared
sweet summit
Only 99%?
ionic fern
Idk how you guys manage to stack stuff. 😦
jagged pier
its 33% chance to cast
ionic fern
I only get like one of each
sweet summit
Weak
lavish oracle
I usually see a couple of the green/grey ones in a run
strong forum
In my last run I had 6 powers total
lavish oracle
I think I hat like 17 in a run that took me like 10 minutes
sweet summit
Did you win
lavish oracle
Had*
jagged pier
POG
strong forum
Next to Mwahi everything is small 
lavish oracle
Wait, was the eye guy supposed to be scary?
ionic fern
And you can't leap out of the Beam unless you time it perfectly since it ticks like every 1s knocking you out of your leap
jagged pier
i had some ghoul that got stacks of damage only hurt when he hit 99 stacks
ionic fern
Wait, was the eye guy supposed to be scary?
Yeah, someone came here yesterday talking about him
lavish oracle
I had a rogue buddy because running solo is hard for them, I think we could more or less just interrupt every cast
lavish oracle
Dps
jagged pier
what for a rogue? the rogues in my guild find it easy
lucid sail
anyone crafted their ledgendairy yet?
ionic fern
I would if i had Thunderlords. 😦
lavish oracle
Saving my ash for the raid leggo
jagged pier
I have the pieces but at work so cant
lucid sail
im not sure what piece i want to craft it as
jagged pier
well thats ez feet
lucid sail
yeah i have the thunderlord but im not sure if u want to have it on feed or hands
jagged pier
feet better stats
lucid sail
aight lets see
lavish oracle
But
If you put it on hands
You don't have to worry about rebuying the Shadowlands herbalism enchant
lucid sail
its cheap tho xD
sweet summit
We have +str on gloves not herbing
jagged pier
^^
fallow mortar
just enchant some trash gloves when you go to pick plants
lavish oracle
Oh, looks like someone has infinite money for enchantments, I'm sorry Mr. Richie rich, I didn't know you played wow
😛
empty musk
How many runs did it take you guys to get Thunderlords ?
jagged pier
@lavish oracle the herbing enchant is like 100g on my server anyway
lavish oracle
I know, I'm joking
jagged pier
just boost torghast
ionic fern
I barely want to do Torghast myself
lavish oracle
I've been making a fair amount of money just doing the daily wq caches
sweet summit
Mwahi if you were horde i could be your sugar daddy :/
fossil sparrow
condemn prot feels weird 
lavish oracle
Condemn prot feels bad
jagged pier
it will feel weird because it doesn synergize
fossil sparrow
idk if I dont have rage or haste or what, it feels awful
fallow mortar
condemn prot feels great for me. You probably have a problem with rage and not haste
lavish oracle
If I didn't want the Kyrian Phial I'd be night fae, though, that power feels great
I'm sure I'll appreciate Kyrian more when I have to kite or clear necrotic stacks, though
jagged pier
in before you cant clear necro stack with it C:
lavish oracle
Pls
ebon hound
I have blessed your first run through Spires on Horde, Mwahi. Thunderlords 100%
jagged pier
Imagine giving up dwarf to play horde 
jagged pier
I wish, maybe at some point i pray
fossil sparrow
to make a second warrior or not to 🤔
fossil sparrow
dual covenant spec when
ionic fern
1 patch before next Expansion.
strong forum
^
jagged pier
popping spear and AA at the same time
wintry raven
If i dont get thunderlords to drop this week, do i hoard my soul ash until i get the wall legendary and make that?
jagged pier
you want both, and you dont need the tgv straight away, theres still heroic week tuning to come, which means leggos might get squashed, to be safe just wait to craft until the week mythic comes out and the tunings been done
wintry raven
alright sounds good thanks fam
torn knoll
@empty musk im on 22 runs atm still farming
glass pine
Does the legion artifact sword sheath on the back?
spice marsh
best legendary for tank dungeon? thunderclap cd demo?
strong forum
Does the legion artifact sword sheath on the back?
Only the axe version does
The pvp skin
glass pine
Okay
strong forum
best legendary for tank dungeon? thunderclap cd demo?
Yes
spice marsh
thx
strong forum
20%
spice marsh
umm i dude haste-vers or mastery-versa
strong forum
Haaaaste
sleek flax
guys
strong forum
Prot warri is just fine, don't worry. If you're good at what you're doing you will be able to do all content
jagged pier
@sleek flax where are you getting its nerfed from?XD
prime umbra
Prots already the worst, why would they keep nerfing it? Lmao
placid oar
Good day fellow warriors, can I ask why Bastion is slightly favored than Night Fae? Is it due to spear being instant dmg and the potion? Cos I’m wondering if going night fae will allow me to try pushing higher keys. Thank you
jagged pier
potion
strong forum
Potion and pelagos
ebon hound
less prone to failure
restive flax
does blue smurf potion share cd with normal healing potions?
jagged pier
nope
strong forum
You can't justify bone people
jagged pier
yer but to do that you have to justify bone people over the other 2 covs as well XD
placid oar
Ah I see, I thought the night fae talent where it gives a dmg reduction when infront of the mobs was better.
restive flax
oi
placid oar
Thank you all
prime umbra
Kyrian is fine, nightfae is fine too
placid oar
Oh I see
Sry, was busy with work and was cramp reading everything so I thought I ask here for expert opinions
Thanks a lot guys
I will stick to night fae for now and perhaps swap if it’s really not viable
restive flax
Everyone in here is an expert
placid oar
Eh I think it’s better here
strong forum
That's a massive joke
placid oar
I read Mwah’s guide
restive flax
😄
placid oar
Oh pardon me
strong forum
Please never consult tierlists of any kind, especially youtube
placid oar
I chose night fae cos I’m a night elf and the place just attract me though I like bastion’s sword mog
prime umbra
Go night fae it's chill
strong forum
Tanks are the few specs that have actual choice every now and again
restive flax
#meaningfulchoice
strong forum
Cuz it's not just about "omg I need that 1% dmg"
prime umbra
I mean I think a lot of dps are conciously ignoring a difference of 1% lol
strong forum
You'd be surprised
prime umbra
They gotta be able to hit their buttons correctly before that 1% mattered, and based on the dungeons I've run most don't know what interrupt is lmao
strong forum
My boomy buddy lost his shit that kyrian was ahead by 0.5% and that he's forced to play kyrian even though he hates it
prime umbra
.5, that's ridiculous
strong forum
Yup...
prime umbra
Honestly, bastion is my favorite zone
Music reminds me of other games I like
Before the xpac I really wanted to go venthyr, but after questing I liked bastion the most
Happens to be one of the better choices
For prot lmao
Passable choice for fury too, so that's neat
restive flax
If you just look at Revendreth its amazing. If you have to get somewhere... its not so great anymore 😄
With access to flying mounts I would like it much more
dense pivot
ah yeah it's clusterfuck of uneven levels lol
paper gyro
Anyone know where I can find easier-read statweights? Haste 2.38 vers 2.2, 1.8 crit/mastery etc etc?
Instead of Haste>vers>
dense pivot
sim yourself for stat weights
prot sims work right?
I guess defensive haste value isn't
paper gyro
Big true, thx, forgot about that
dense pivot
then you can't tell :p
paper gyro
ah
cerulean quest
anyone got any tasty lvl 3 endurance conduits#/
cerulean quest
gz! Can I ask on norm/heroic/mythic?
cerulean quest
ok cool - does it drop in norms too then?
jagged pier
that conduit is pretty bad you should honestly have the covenant potency one enabled
cerulean quest
i was SO happy with it...
woven radish
Haha me too... seems good on big chain pulls, no?
cerulean quest
I have been running this so far though
leaden forge
hello everyone, can I ask some stuff about legendary item for prot. war?
cerulean quest
But yeah, the extra healing i thought to be pretty nice. 12% of my dmg in dungeons is deep wounds, so it would mount up no?
leaden forge
I got the Thunderlord memory, now I dont really know which item I should get for the Rune Vessel.
ionic fern
But yeah, the extra healing i thought to be pretty nice. 12% of my dmg in dungeo...
That one is trash. :?
:)
Brutal Vitality is the one you want.
cerulean quest
urgh dude it's purple 😦
ionic fern
Not that any of them are great.. 😂
cerulean quest
Haha - my options so far....
strong forum
Anyone know where I can find easier-read statweights? Haste 2.38 vers 2.2, 1.8 c...
Stat weights don't exist in this day of age as they change for every single piece of gear you equip
Especially defensively they don't exist in numbers only in general rules to follow
Which is simply ilvl> haste >vers>=crit>mastery
leaden forge
guys, anyone can help with Rune Vessel for Prot War?
jagged pier
boots
paper gyro
Ok thanks @strong forum its been a few years since i last played, but with the priority in mind i should still aim for getting every piece with haste/vers on it? Whenever its possible
astral crystal
where does higher ilvl piercing verdict drop anyway?
jagged pier
renown probably
worthy ingot
I think it is on world boss loot tables also
woven radish
Anyone play with brutal vitality yet and if so are you really feeling better IP endurance?
Yea panzer, it's on world boss table
strong forum
Well...
Brutal vitality is situational leech in a sense
You won't notice it for shit unless you get the max rank and pay close attention to it
I don't even notice my regular IP endurance
I just press it when I need to / when it's beneficial
leaden forge
am I supposed to get the max ilvl item for legendary? there's like 215/225/235 lvl boots for that.
strong forum
You can only craft rank 1 for now
Aka 190
Because you lack the soulash to craft rank 4 / 235
leaden forge
ah, okay, thank you very much.
how much soul ash does that require? can't I craft like 215 if I get the soul ash needed for rank 2?
strong forum
You can get to 1520 this week max
cosmic canyon
that requires you go get "1250**" or something again?
kinda like the anima hand ins...
a new one this week
after handing in over 500 yday etc
should've just kept it in my bags
; so yeah, my question is; should I run a lower level of thorgast to try and get it as close as 1250 as possible -> and then run a higher one after
strong forum
I think that's just legendary tutorial quest
cosmic canyon
to get progress on any shady quest that might happen
strong forum
It's literally just a quest that shows you how to craft a legendary
Pretty sure
1 time thing
cosmic canyon
ok
astral crystal
kinda tempted to craft the thundercuck boots
cosmic canyon
In order to craft a level 3-4 legendary, I don't need to have crafted a lvl 1, 2, 3 etc beforehand right?
Just need the soul ash
astral crystal
wall shoulders tho...
restive flax
you still need the accumulated soulash
strong forum
Pmuch
cosmic canyon
thanks budd
strong forum
You then just need the soulash
strong forum
wall shoulders tho...
Just craft both
And keep TGV on low ilvl
And upgrade wall first
📈
leaden forge
the missives are Haste/Crit for Prot right? or have I missed something?
sour sluice
M+ or raid @leaden forge
strong forum
Both are about equal
sour sluice
Icy veins says hast then crit then vers, but as others have said they're very close
"For Protection Warriors, the value of each stat is very close together. So while Critical Strike is the worst secondary stat, is it not by any means a "bad" stat. It is still very close in value to the better stats. Generally speaking, the stat priority should only be followed when comparing gear of the same item level. A piece of gear with a higher item level than what you currently have should be equipped regardless of its secondary stats."
leaden forge
I see.
sour sluice
mind you, that quote is referencing the raid stat pri
prisma gorge
i have a question if you craft a lego after you drop it, do you have to drop it again when you will want to craft another one? lets say on higher rank?
tepid mason
mild dementia
dense pivot
his memories are all over the place
tepid mason
after an eternity in the maw
strong forum
mind you, that quote is referencing the raid stat pri
Crit is the lowest for raiding because it offers rng mitigation
Which you don't want in raiding because you get meleed comparatively rarely to m+
The more often you get hit, the higher value you get out of crit /parry
That's why vers is better for raiding, it's not rng.
For m+ you get meleed a fuckton, thus parry increases in value alot.
Given the changed dmg profile in m+ from 80% melee dmg in bfa to 50% melee dmg in SL, vers becomes more attractive as a defensive stat on a general level.
Yo omega brain thought, can gloves roll sockets?
They can't nvm
sweet summit
jolly thistle
m+ dmg profile didn’t change that much. I’ll get worse with the new affixes tho. But we’re still at ~70%++ blockable dmg in m0
strong forum
According to beta m+ logs
It's 50% melee
Rest is magic/dots
M0 logs obv differ
Cuz mobs die in 0.2seconds
So they don't even get to do anything
jolly thistle
if you only count autoattacks then you’re probably at 50%
with affixes
but there’s a lot of melee specials that can be blocked
strong forum
Sure, that's precisely why prot always have a spot in high keys
Tank busters
But monk fills the same niche, so... :/
sick sentinel
What covenants do you all choose? Venthyr seems to be the best choice for Raid, but what is the overall best choice (pulling mythic+ into account?)
Kyrian or Night Fae?
strong forum
I'm a kyrian boi
cosmic canyon
haste vers still bis for us y?
woven radish
Love me a big spear 
strong forum
Ilvl >> haste >>>vers>=crit
cosmic canyon
mastery off the scale above ilvl right?
sour sluice
kyrian, though the most important things (the wings and back pieces) disable your shield :(
I've also been disappointed that the things that can and cant be tethered by the spear are wildly inconsistent at best.
strong forum
mastery off the scale above ilvl right?
Idk what you mean by that
west kayak
I am still running SoA for the Thunderlord Lego. Once that is in hand do Talents change? Rav to UF and Bol to AM?
strong forum
Meaning you should ignore the ilvl rule when it has mastery? If so, no even if the piece has vers mastery you want to equip it if it's higher ilvl
cosmic canyon
😄 😄
strong forum
I am still running SoA for the Thunderlord Lego. Once that is in hand do Talents...
For now yes
Im running Rav+AM currently
Cuz bolster isn't needed anywhere
And I don't like UF
west kayak
Sounds good, now I just need to get it...
cosmic canyon
erhm
uneven mason
got TGV
cosmic canyon
what are those runecarver memories? don't think i've found a single one
strong forum
Rune carver memories are the legendary effects
cosmic canyon
ah
cosmic canyon
ok
uneven mason
They're the legendary powers, you've completed all the quests in maw? Keening
sour sluice
i got real lucky and got it on my first mythic spires of ascension
sweet summit
uneven mason
ran necrotic wake like 30or so times since Xpac hit, and no deathmaker
many sad
2nd Spires got mine heh
sour sluice
oh man, is that the best fury one?
uneven mason
my guildmaster is a prot warrior, and I'm the "3rd tank" since they didn't want to double up on prot for progression unless needed
I was like "why not 2x of the best tank is 2x bester"
west kayak
😦
torn gulch
ebon jasper
The WonderWall
sour sluice
Since ive got the stompy boii lego, do i have to switch to booming voice?
Sincerely, someone who loves dragon roar.
strong forum
Since ive got the stompy boii lego, do i have to switch to booming voice?
Since...
You always wanna play booming voice
DR is dead
And BSC is pretty much dead
If you don't play booming voice, TGV is pretty useless
strong forum
BSC is insane rage loss, big meme