protection

[odd rose]

Hi i actually play with 10% versa 13% hast and 26 % mastery its pretty strong

Dont take damage do good damage and healer are pretty safe with mana

[radiant sigil]

Ah great to know, thanks. I have been trying to experiment but it's very subtle in new expansion.

[unique shale]

@radiant sigil
Socket
Item Level
Haste
Versatility
Critical Strike
Mastery
Strength
Socket > Item Level > Haste > Versatility > Critical Strike = Mastery > Strength
It's worth noting that item level and sockets are generally worth more than secondary stat itemization. A socket can be slightly more valuable than a 10 item level upgrade. It depends on the piece, a 10 item level upgrade to bracers will provide much less stat budget than a 10 item level upgrade to a weapon or pants, for example.

[topaz pewter]

Vanguard

[radiant sigil]

Thanks for the answers c:

[errant oriole]

does prot war for devastator have a haste cap?

or na?

[strong forum]

No

[errant oriole]

ah kk just curious

thanks

[young glen]

Upgrading R1 leggo is the same soul ash cost as crafting R2 directly right?

[jagged pier]

not as far as i remeber

each rank costs more

but if you want to upgrade from rank 1 to 2

it will cost the difference in the ash

[dapper venture]

Is being prot warrior going to be an issue for CE progression in CN?

[ionic fern]

No.

[jagged pier]

nope

[strong forum]

For a tank to have issues with CE progress, it needs to be extremely undertuned, like obscene levels of terrible

[ionic fern]

Or a AFK player.

👍

Then again you can be AFK while just taunting as a BRM i guess.

[strong forum]

98% of your issues in progressing in raid will come from being a bad player, rather than playing a bad class

[south epoch]

Can anyone please share a screen with your talents, prefer solo target ?

[ionic fern]

Just for purely ST DPS?
Devastator/BV/ItF/AM seems to be the highest simming build atm.
This is literally for ST DPS purposes only.

[south epoch]

Thanks, i will try it

[ionic fern]

For what purposes tho?

[fallow mortar]

sockets should no longer matter that much. You can just socket items with stygia from the Maw vendor. It is just a matter of how much stygia you farmed up until that point

[jagged pier]

strength also isnt our lowest prio, because its the reason we want the ilvl XD

like the main stat gem from bfa is actually pretty good still

[blissful thicket]

question tanking with some bursty dps in your part im am strugling to hold aggro like no matter how much i taunt revenge+TC it just get pulled instantly

*party

[south epoch]

I just comeback to the game from legion and forgot everything, so want to play as befor some mith+ dungeons, raids

[ionic fern]

Just wait a bit tho - we will get the sims out sooooooooooooon.

So you can sim yourself. 🙂

[fallow mortar]

I have a bit of a problem with that as well. Taunt as much as possible and try to have them focus fire as much as possible

[jagged pier]

what cov are you guys?

[fallow mortar]

I have my own problems, I am venthyr

[ionic fern]

👀

[blissful thicket]

like bosses is fine, but packs is i dif storie

[ionic fern]

Shouldn't have issues.

[agile stag]

You have to use rage on revenge

[undone sun]

Soon™

[agile stag]

Without proc

[jagged pier]

I mean they shouldnt but will have a tougher time in aoe with venthyr

[blissful thicket]

all my rage goes into revenge spam to hold aggro

[ionic fern]

I think i've had aggro issues only once when i had 0 things ready and a ret paladin popped wings but then i just AoE taunted and everything was fine again.

[blissful thicket]

yeahs its a ret i cant hold aggro on

[agile stag]

ull miss some sheild block uptime and ignore pain, buy u keep aggro untill you get gibbed xd

[blissful thicket]

bugger is pulling like 17k burst

[ionic fern]

But as soon as i have even 1 of my CD's (Spear/Ravager/BV/Avatar) it's np.

[jagged pier]

^^

[ionic fern]

And more often than not you have one of those ready.

[fallow mortar]

The DH of the group is clocking in at like 6.5k dps so I have to keep taunt ready for when he starts spiking the damage in his demon form

[jagged pier]

having challenging shout as well

[ionic fern]

Just track his wings CD and try to save one of your own CD's for that time then. 🙂

[agile stag]

is ravager worth for dropping the thunderclap talent

[blissful thicket]

yeah but thats along as cd

[ionic fern]

in AoE?

[jagged pier]

Yes Rav is better than UF

[fallow mortar]

mainly single target

[agile stag]

Alright. gonna test it out :D

[ionic fern]

ST should be 0 issues. 👀
Big confusion.

Hard to say what's going wrong tho since we would need logs. 😦

[blissful thicket]

st i have no issue couply avatar condems, but just packs

[ionic fern]

Condemn.

[agile stag]

heretic

[blissful thicket]

prot not my ms

[jagged pier]

stocky what are you doing in aoe? like generally, its likely you are doing somthing wrong

[fallow mortar]

Ya, I don't have logs or video to help with this. It requires further looking through, but I am sure we will find out where I am lacking sooner rather than later

[blissful thicket]

have soulbind to empower tc after revenge so normally i charge ava rev tc

[ionic fern]

Ravager+BV ontop of it

[jagged pier]

I mean that does fuk all damage

[ionic fern]

And you're guccy.

[blissful thicket]

bv?

[fallow mortar]

BV?

[ionic fern]

Booming Voice.

Demoralizing Shout.

[fallow mortar]

there we go

[blissful thicket]

ahhh

ill try with rav

[ionic fern]

Wait

What are you using then?

[agile stag]

Yeah badicly clap first then voice then rav revnisngud

[blissful thicket]

i will have to have a look

[fallow mortar]

I keep forgetting that I should be using BV and Ravager almost every pack. I know that is one of the issues

[ionic fern]

Jeah, they are up so frequently.

👍

[fallow mortar]

with TGV though 👀

[jagged pier]

also small thing but some people do forget position so revenge hits everything

you still run rav with TGV imo

[blissful thicket]

i was using UF

[ionic fern]

Oh, don't use UF atm.

It's pretty pointless, especially without Thunderlords.

[blissful thicket]

thought it was a haste issue so i tried ItF but even with out it im sitting on 20% haste 10% vers

[ionic fern]

WHat on earth

I'm at like 10% haste.

😂

[jagged pier]

ITF

[fallow mortar]

I do plan on using Rumbling Earth with a high rank shockwave conduit to help with m+ stuff

[ionic fern]

💩

[ionic fern]

Be sure to check that you're group doesn't have a ton of AoE stuns then, otherwise you're gonna DR the hell out of it.

[fallow mortar]

DR?

[ionic fern]

Diminishing return.

[fallow mortar]

ahhh

At that point we would work on our communication XD

I am talking about guild runs

[blissful thicket]

thanks your help guys ill try rav out tomorrow to see if that does the job

[ionic fern]

Just remember to use it then.

👀

Takes some getting used to.

[fair crystal]

so once we pick up Thunderlords IF becomes the go to ?

[ionic fern]

I guess you mean UF?

[fair crystal]

yeah sorry

[ionic fern]

Not necessarily.
It has undeniable synergy with UF/AM but it's at the cost of Ravager/Bolster.

[blissful thicket]

is there a macro to drop rav at your feet?

[fallow mortar]

I love bolster with the rage gen conduit too much

[fair crystal]

#showtooltip
/cast [@player] Ravager

[jagged pier]

@cursor is better

[ionic fern]

Not always.
Can't mention all the times i've thrown it into the ceiling.

😒

[fair crystal]

^^

lol

[fallow mortar]

😂

[jagged pier]

I mean true

[fair crystal]

I've been running UF and Bolster lately feels real good 😄 guess I need to play around a bit more

[ionic fern]

It's dumb.
You try to throw Ravager over a tiny rock and it's "NOT IN SIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
And then it has no issues throwing it onto the 3rd floor behind 500 roots.

[undone sun]

just gotta pay attention

[ionic fern]

Gotta get gooood.

[proud kernel]

not with all the camera collisions in indoor dungeons

whoop. suddenly its behind the door where u came from

[jagged pier]

never had that issue just move your camera 🤔

[hallow phoenix]

Just play in first person mode

[toxic belfry]

Do we have a drop rate idea for memory of thunderlord? I'm ready to tear my hair out after all these unsuccessful spire runs

[strong forum]

The lower the difficulty the lower the dropchance

[pure silo]

saw it dropping for a fury war in my party on normal, at his first run there (made the acvieve at the end) but I didn't get it in 30is runs

[jagged pier]

i mean really its 50/50 it ither drops or it doesnt 🤷

[hallow phoenix]

100% drop rate once you finally get it

[ionic fern]

Jep, i've also only seen it drop for DPS warriors in my group.

I'm just gonna run the dungeon as Fury/Arms and instantly get it.

[torn gulch]

Good morning
For the people who did sims are sharpening stones worth it compared to shadowcore oil?

[jagged pier]

no idea, i've stocked up on both as if you use the non stat pots oils will probably be better as it increase there effects, not sure how sharpening stones sit though

[frosty scarab]

Did 35 runs so far. 1 mythic, rest hc. Nothing yet

[jagged pier]

how have you done 35 hc runs?

how much randmon hcs are you doing

[frosty scarab]

Been spamming the crap out of hc. And got pretty luckg

Lucky* with many spire runs

• specific hc spires each day. Which is already 6 runs. 1 mythic. Than 28 other runs. Which didnt take too long tbh. But the tank bonus satchel is very nice atm

[plush relic]

I happened to get it on my first run on Mythic

[iron parcel]

i just dropped this but i also have a 171 one with socket and 44 avoidance

higher ilevel is still better right

[jagged pier]

i would say high ilvl is still better atm

[strong forum]

Ilvl is better

[pallid bolt]

Hi guys, why does Versatility is better than Mastery ? Is that just because of the randomness of Mastery ?

[strong forum]

And because vers reduces all dmg

Mastery doesn't guarantee anything

[pallid bolt]

OK I see

[vernal scaffold]

Quick question: How do you guys deal with the aoe cap of 5 targets? I find myself struggling with big groups of mobs.

[strong forum]

Spear and revenge take care of that

Tbh

If you're pulling like 20 mobs, use challenging shout

[jagged pier]

like tc revenge and spear all deal damage to mobs past 5 targets, just reduced as long as you hit them to position correctly should be fine

[vernal scaffold]

Thank you

[glacial skiff]

Does anyone else ever feel they don't have enough rage to keep SB/IP up during dungeons with the offensive build? I'm feeling starved even when not spamming revenge/condemn

[ionic fern]

What is the "Offensive" build?

Also - you should ALWAYS save enough rage for a SB.,

[jagged pier]

^^

[glacial skiff]

would i be better off running the defensive build for more rage gen and last stand or perhaps HR to help keep SB up?

[ionic fern]

Tell me what you are running now?

[jagged pier]

what are these builds you speak of?

[glacial skiff]

wowhead has a standard-offensive build and an alternate - defenisve build

https://www.wowhead.com/protection-warrior-talent-guide#talent-builds-alternate-defensive

[jagged pier]

I mean the offensive one is wrong you should be taking rav over UF

and DR is trash

[glacial skiff]

i've been running the offensive one, but i've tried keeping enough for SB but i've noticed a few times i'm getting low

[young glen]

I am still running Dragon Roar because I like deeeeps. And the content is trivial. Will change once m+ is up presumably.

[jagged pier]

for the defensive build

but it doesnt do deeps anymore

like the best build imo is BV/ Rav/ AM or bolster

[glacial skiff]

i'm using the standard - offensive build

[ionic fern]

Ravager is more DPS than UF.

[jagged pier]

yer thats pretty bad

it gets better with TGV

but its just not worth without it imo

[ionic fern]

Do the BV/Rav/AM build for a more "Offensive" setup.

[glacial skiff]

so, this is bad?

[ionic fern]

Just swap UF to Ravager.

And you're fine.

[glacial skiff]

i basically just need a build with more rage gen is all

[jagged pier]

its not bad its not the best though

then rav

it generates loads of rage

you'd also make more rage if you were nightfae or kyrain

[ionic fern]

Condemn/Execute is a big-big-big-big trap in AoE situations.

[glacial skiff]

i'm dps main, so can't do it

[jagged pier]

I mean nightfae is your bis aoe spell, and most fo the fights have adds in CN

[glacial skiff]

would go kyrian but i also don't care for the meticulous talent builds for fury/arms with spear

[ionic fern]

ANyways, play Ravager and always keep enough rage for a SB.

[young glen]

https://tenor.com/view/roar-cat-cute-chibi-kawaii-gif-16495840

[glacial skiff]

IE they're more simplified talent builds with less rotational complexity with similar or better results playing condemn lol

nightfae feels trash to use

and it's a pain to keep adds in, if you're not tanking RIP

other friendly players don't see the squiggles lol 😦

[ionic fern]

We do.

👀

[jagged pier]

yes they do

[glacial skiff]

i tanked a dungoeon the othr day and didn't see a single nightfae ground effect

[ionic fern]

Maybe they diddn't cas tit?

😂

[glacial skiff]

talked about it in disc with our hunters

[jagged pier]

mabye turn up your graphics

[ionic fern]

Or maybe it's tied together with some graphical interface option.

[glacial skiff]

nah they did, we're all CE level raiders

lol they're ma

[ionic fern]

Because i'm seeing them 24/7 in the runs i do.

[glacial skiff]

max*

idk were they hunters? maybe it was a bug

[ionic fern]

Do hunters even have a effect?

🤔

[glacial skiff]

i have no idea

[jagged pier]

yer big circle

[young glen]

Big Circle that causes my brain to get out of it asap the first time I see it

Small brain skills

😦

[ionic fern]

I can't remember running with a hunter who's NF . 👀

So i can't comment on that.

But i can clearly see Warrior NF abilities.

[young glen]

I haven't seen one not being NF

[ionic fern]

🤷

[solar crown]

hunters have the same sircle

but, i sometimes cant see the one my buddy puts down. seems a little buggy

[ionic fern]

Could be the case also jeah - wouldn't be the first time.

😂

[solar crown]

nope.. he just tells me to stand still when it gets popped, so i know not to move

[ionic fern]

Just move

To tilt people.

[solar crown]

hehe, yes, salty hunters are the best

btw, i would suggest picking rumbling earth for the lower CD. just a thought if you are struggling in m0

[quaint rune]

sooooo am i the only prot with venthyr?

[ionic fern]

Don't think so.

[quaint rune]

ok

[ionic fern]

We've had a couple of them in here.

[quaint rune]

just didnt want to feel alone

[ionic fern]

You're fine. 👍

[quaint rune]

Q? though can u keep requing for spire leggo

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[quaint rune]

gotcha

gonna need that one 😛

[solar crown]

I picked kyrian because of the spear, and its great, but i would actually have picked differently if i were to pick again

(and vial ofc).
I just feel more 'at home' when im on my alt who is venthyr

[sturdy trench]

hey guys any1 knows if intervene works on spells also?

[hexed sage]

So, legendary trait drops from Spires and it can be imbued into hands or feet. What will you pick guys and why?

Is it same?

[still pagoda]

Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders

= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak

General rule of thumb for amount of secondaries from each item

works when choosing what piece to put your leggo on too

[hexed sage]

Cool, thanks. Wasnt aware of that

[still pagoda]

basically, you pick whichever item gives the highest amount of stats

but

my personal advice

don't craft your legendary until the mythic week

[hexed sage]

Btw, i was so lucky. Got leggo from my second Spires run 😊

[ionic fern]

SMH

I want that Thunderlord.

[hexed sage]

Please explan

[ionic fern]

Gonna craft the hell out of it as soon as i get it.

[still pagoda]

mythic week tuning. Know of that?

this can fuck you over if you craft your legendary before it hits live servers

no one knows what blizz will do as it is usually dropped as a "surprise"

[hexed sage]

Ok, so there will be changes thst can affest my choice

Thanks

[still pagoda]

there is always a big tuning pass on the week when mythic opens

[ionic fern]

Thunderlord was already nerfed to ground. 🤷

It's a pretty safe one.

[still pagoda]

blizz may go off of popularity

https://tenor.com/view/lul-mustache-what-funny-gif-13701378

[ionic fern]

So Karton will never craft a Legendary because there's always more tuning .

[still pagoda]

nah, imma just wait for mythic week

don't want to get hit by another TGV nerf amidst the mythic prog

[ionic fern]

Won't make or brake anything.

🤷

Anyways, considering how horrible RNG i have with Legendary drops chances are i won't even get my Thunderlord to drop by that time.

[still pagoda]

same

so for me it is just waiting for the wall

[hexed sage]

And what will you pick if it doesnt drop for you by the time you want to cratf legendary?

[lusty fox]

I got it in first run

[young glen]

TGV first week once Mythic opens

[still pagoda]

i will just grind M+ spires and get my TGV done

if wall recipe doesn't drop

[young glen]

How can you not have it by now

[still pagoda]

RNG

not everyone is blessed by Ion

[young glen]

But you can spam farm it?

[junior bough]

Do you guys think we will get buffed today? I play monk as well as my war and they are on two different levels

[hexed sage]

Im not familiar with all terminology, what does TGV stands for?

Thunderlord effect from Spires?

[still pagoda]

you think i have time to spam dungeons all day?

[ebon hound]

yes

[young glen]

It takes what 10 minutes to get there and then rinse and repeat.

[honest plinth]

some of us have like 50+ runs man

sooo why dont you have it yet? the answer is

[still pagoda]

i don't have much time this week

[honest plinth]

because

[still pagoda]

even with the lockdown, studies will continue

[still pagoda]

RNGesus fucks you over

i don't have time and nerves to grind heroic dung for one item that will drop either next week in mythic or from M+

[jagged pier]

true karton but what can they do to tgv they havent already done?

plus they have already said cov and leggy tuning more likely to happen in major patches

[honest plinth]

i think tgv is pretty safe pick

[ionic fern]

I mean, if they nerf The Wall or Thunderlord it will just make the other one be 100% used in everything.

Quality design

[still pagoda]

reduce to 1 second per target

No, blizz, no god please no

[jagged pier]

and if you craft rank 1 you will still have enough for rank one of the other by mythic week

[young glen]

There is almost no penalty in crafting R1 TGV now

[jagged pier]

@still pagoda id be suprised if they did that as its already capped on cdr anyway

[young glen]

Unless your servers economy is somewhat crazy

idk what people are doing - but shadowghast greaves r1 just dropped to below 1k gold

I know it's a byproduct of pushing to r4

[jagged pier]

because you need to make 15 yo get rank 2

[young glen]

Crafting one R4 base item (greaves) is somewhat around 280k in mats all from AH as of last night

And the prices are going down day by day

I am expecting enchanting to become more widespread once m+ and nathria is out as people are getting stuck pushing beyond 75

so that should ease it up even more

[still pagoda]

[jagged pier]

that and the shattering throw one

[keen yarrow]

😑 😑

[still pagoda]

aight, now to stacking 100% Shield Slam CDR

[still pagoda]

i got it right from the start

oneshotting tower sentinels

[surreal nest]

Guys, what do you guys think about Tormented kings for tanking? too random?. i just wanna pump in mythic dungeons.

[jagged pier]

its shit even for pumping

its like 4 secs on reck and 3 seconds of bladestorm also rav doesnt proc it

[surreal nest]

hmm is its thundergod thats bis then?

[jagged pier]

probably

[surreal nest]

:S

[still pagoda]

wait until the mythic week. Blizz may tune legendaries for prot

[jagged pier]

"The answer there is conservatively. We understand that when players have a permanent or heavy investment in something, we don't want to change that out from under them. That said, if it turns out that there are outliers that are really harmful to overall game balance -- that the community figures out some combination or synergy that we've overlooked -- things like the Blaster Master, Mechagon Bracers, Lucid Dreams Fire Mage synergy come to mind where it's like yup this is just way out there, then yes we would make tuning changes but we would do that with a eye towards not upsetting the ranking of things. "

literally saying if its best they will tune it down but still keep rankings the same

[ionic fern]

They have said a lot of things tho...doesn't always mean they do it . 😂

[jagged pier]

True, but what unseen synergy is there with tgv?

[ionic fern]

It's UNSEEN.

[still pagoda]

^

[jagged pier]

I think if there was something would have the likes of you mwahi found it by now?

[ionic fern]

100% not, i'm too busy trying to not mess up the SIMC.

😂

[jagged pier]

I thought they were done

[ionic fern]

There's always moooooore.

• i'm pretty novice when it comes to C

But jeah, there's probably no "unseen synergy" with it as it's a pretty straight forward one.

[still pagoda]

@jagged pier stacked as much shield slam CDR and damage as i possibly could in 5 floors

boss melted

[steady spruce]

Is the 190 epic mace (Klontaz) worth the price?

[jagged pier]

I dunno just one shot the boss with shattering throw @still pagoda thats what i did

[ionic fern]

No point buying stuff unless you got a ton of gold.
M+ comes out and you just replace it.

[still pagoda]

well, that's how it should work

[jagged pier]

I would always say no to buying the boes, but if its like 10k why not 🤷

[still pagoda]

not in my case tho

:D

[jagged pier]

@still pagoda oof

[still pagoda]

i still stacked 140% SSlam damoooooooge

and 50% CDR

if only souls haste buff was outside of soul forges

[jagged pier]

I really hope im gunna enjoy torghast when it gets harder it was so boring on my warrior and monk

[still pagoda]

yeah

gonna do it on my DK rn

dunno how it will go

[jagged pier]

I mean my monk was 138ish and it was simple really not as easy as my warrior as they have not great powers but still pretty simple

[still pagoda]

DK has some absolutely broken powers tho

[jagged pier]

probably ez then

[young glen]

Twisted Corridors was fun on beta tho

[pure silo]

what potion is prot suposed to use for raid progress ? stam or strenght ?

[ebon hound]

Str

[sweet summit]

Never stam

[pure silo]

ok thanks. but the flask I assume is stam

[ebon hound]

no

Never stam

[sweet summit]

Nevee stam

Uhh u use phantom fire in the raid

As pot

[strong forum]

Never stamina

Neither flask nor potion or food

[jagged pier]

literally never stam

Im looking for to see hwo these new pot work though with the oil

[hushed bone]

Is prot warrior good at dungeons?

im venthyr btw

[sweet summit]

yes

no

its doable, but not the best

[hushed bone]

kyrian is the best

?

[sweet summit]

kyrian is slightly ahead of night fae due to having phial

night fae will give you more damage tho

[ionic fern]

And rage.

In AoE atleast.

[prime edge]

Does someone know if Weightstones and Weapon oils stack?

[jagged pier]

nope

[sweet summit]

they do not, you have to pick one

[prime edge]

Aright, Well thats fair enough

[jagged pier]

just get a stack of both 🤷 i feel in mythic+ pushing oil might be better as it increases that aoe pot damage, but who know probably mwahi hes doing the sims

[sweet summit]

whats the wheightstone called

[uneven mason]

I can't really give up that tether

on Kyrian

I was eyeballing NF

but the pot + tether

[primal saddle]

same

[jagged pier]

its like 20 AP i think @sweet summit or somthing like that

[sweet summit]

Shaded Sharpening Stone
sharpens your bladed weapon, increasing attack power by 20 for 1 hour

[jagged pier]

yer wightstone the same just for blunt weps though

[sweet summit]

ye

[jagged pier]

I think oils are better but I could be wrong 🤷

[still pagoda]

will need to sim it

[jagged pier]

yer but oils become better with the new pots right, depends if it worth takeing thoughs and the oil over strength and ap

[sweet summit]

@ionic fern where do i put the sharpening stone and how

[drifting flicker]

Morning all quick question. I’ve been reading and watching videos saying prot wars are bottom of tank tier ranking. Anyone who’s been tanking heroics and M0 care to give feed back?

[jagged pier]

LUL tier lists XD

memes aside we are perfectly fine for everything

[ionic fern]

@sweet summit not sure it's in yet

[sweet summit]

the difference between tanks are so small it doesnt matter, we are still good and can do all content except maybe bleeding edge m+ keys

ah ok

[pallid bolt]

Did you guys soloed Thorgast ? I couldn't 1v1 thoses bosses

[ionic fern]

Jep.

It's easy as Prot.

[jagged pier]

yes was fine

[sweet summit]

ye its pretty easy as prot imo

[jagged pier]

^^

[pallid bolt]

With how many ilvl ?

[ionic fern]

140

[jagged pier]

140ish

[pallid bolt]

😢

Ok

[ionic fern]

Well, i guess you could gimp yourself if you're not interrupting some important stuff on some bosses like the dude who reduces your HP.

[pallid bolt]

I have 150 and I can't do it

[jagged pier]

or youve picked the wrong powers ??

[ionic fern]

Which boss did you struggle with?

[pallid bolt]

I'll try harder

[ionic fern]

Powers shouldn't matter tho - pretty sure you can solo them with 0 powers at all. 😂

Atleast on current levels.

[jagged pier]

yes same tbh

[pallid bolt]

The laser one for example

[ionic fern]

Which boss was it @pallid bolt ?

Laser ? 👀

[jagged pier]

^^

[pallid bolt]

the eye ball ^^

[uneven mason]

I got 2 rock dudes and the castery boy when I did my 3 soulforge floors

the only one that gave me fits was the castery boy

[ionic fern]

I honestly don't know a eyeball.

Do you remember the name by any chance?

[uneven mason]

which thankfully I was fury and super stacked the bloodthirst CD reduction literally spammed BT and IP (which procced Enraged regen)

[pallid bolt]

I'll search

[naive swan]

@pallid bolt I faced the eyeball first run, he did have an interruptable ability i think that hit hard

[uneven mason]

upper floors as prot was pretty ezpz tho (had disc healer, 2 mages, and a rogue that died 13 times on the trap floor so we kicked him)

[pallid bolt]

Ok i guess I did not played well enough then ^^

[jagged pier]

interuptable probably also SRable

[uneven mason]

^

[pallid bolt]

I can't find a list of thoses f*g bosses too

[ionic fern]

Tried searching also but nothing. 👀

[uneven mason]

data still incomplete

[naive swan]

Anyone have a favorite torghast build so far? I tried buffing revenge with jars and taking best served cold, you can take a boss to half health

[jagged pier]

heroic leap shatering throw

[sweet summit]

i just take whatever looks cool

[cosmic canyon]

according to wowhead:

Best Protection Warrior Enchants
Here is the ideal set of enchants to use on your gear:

Weapon: Enchant Weapon - Lightless Force (AoE, Best overall) | Enchant Weapon - Sinful Revelation (ST) | Enchant Weapon - Ascended Vigor (Defense) | Enchant Weapon - Celestial Guidance (Budget)

is this accurate? feels like nah?

[jagged pier]

as the HL will get you through all the floors then you one shot the boss

[naive swan]

I saw someone mention shattering throw, whats that one

[pallid bolt]

Found the eye ! https://wow.gamepedia.com/Observer_Zelgar

[naive swan]

Yep that guy haha

[jagged pier]

your fist shattering throw on each floor is increased by 10000% @naive swan

[ionic fern]

Well, reading comments it seems he's "bugged"? 👀

[naive swan]

Jesus haha

I might have seen that only once

[junior bough]

I solo'd on my brewmaster not on my prot war. I got a boss on 3 layer who would lower my haste to the point I was a sitting duck lol. Brew is ridiculously easy to op atm because once the boss gets low enough u just touch of death it and it dies lol.

[outer wedge]

Prot warrior torghast was a absolutely joke. Heck I sell them now.

[jagged pier]

and we just execute

[naive swan]

@jagged pier is the heroic leap the mawrat one?

[outer wedge]

Yes.

[jagged pier]

nah theres one whewre HL and charge increase your damage by 200% for 4 secs

then you can pair it with the mawrat one

and have like 100% uptime

[naive swan]

Ooooh

[outer wedge]

Oh wow. Haven’t seen that one yet.

[naive swan]

Love it

[outer wedge]

I just go for mega claps and heals.

[naive swan]

Thanks @jagged pier

[jagged pier]

so what i did on the boss was avatar leap shattering and hit the final boss for like 800k

pretty ez

i think it crit tbf

[naive swan]

Hahaha can't wait to try

[formal river]

I'm that one venthyr prot. I just stack condemn

Served me well so far.

[pallid bolt]

I knew I did not made the good choices in my life

[sweet summit]

😔

[uneven mason]

M+ open this week or next week?

[jagged pier]

next

[uneven mason]

hrm ok

[woven radish]

I've been doing the show but invincible build.... stacking IP proc shield wall, with shield wall duration increase. Permanent shield wall...I just stand in shit

[royal rapids]

Sorrowbane WQ is up in Bloodhoof!

[woven radish]

Slow but invincible*

[ionic fern]

You can stand in shit regardless. 😦

[formal river]

Not when you just cap in level 3

You definitely die

[ionic fern]

Idk, i haven't had any serious damage intake anywhere. 👀

[formal river]

It shoves you right in there

[ionic fern]

Outside of the environmental effects.

But those you just leap through anyways.

😂

[brittle owl]

i use my leap to divebomb into packs idk bout u

[strong forum]

I use my leap to go fast

And run to last boss insta

[modern brook]

Not having dragons charge in instanced content is actually painful

I miss intervene

[ionic fern]

Add double charges and War Machine.

And i also always take any movement speed effects cause i gotta zoomzoom

[modern brook]

I had to switch back to storm bolt because pug dps brain cells

[formal river]

Hitting interrupt key disrupts their rotation. Come on man

[brittle owl]

tank tanks

dps dps's

[astral crystal]

i cant believe there's people that actually buy torghast runs

[brittle owl]

u suck at tanking if you need dps to interrupt so you don't die

fax

[astral crystal]

that's mind-boggling to me

[ionic fern]

Never ever rely on DPS'ers/healers to do anything

[brittle owl]

there's 1 universal truth in sales

[ionic fern]

99.9% of them don't know shit.

[brittle owl]

people will ALWAYS buy convenience

[ionic fern]

All they do is stand in stuff and TRY to dps.

[formal river]

Make some friends, lol

Pugging is for the birds.

[ionic fern]

I like pugging

Makes me a better tank,

[brittle owl]

same

[formal river]

To each their own

[brittle owl]

#seekdiscomfort

[ionic fern]

I gotta carry the DPS/CC/positioning/healing.

So..🤷

[brittle owl]

😎

[formal river]

We got a badass In here fellas

[brittle owl]

follow my OF for more inspirational shit

[formal river]

He listens to Jocko too much

Lol

[ionic fern]

No idea who that is.

But sure.

[brittle owl]

not you

[ionic fern]

😦

[brittle owl]

just because you're orange doesnt mean people talk solely to you

smh

my head

[ionic fern]

No, MY head.

[brittle owl]

ok fine

[vocal flame]

so i have offically more arms memories than prot lol

[jagged pier]

same

[ionic fern]

Same.

[brittle owl]

but do you remember when the weather was fine

[vocal flame]

can we craft the legendary without any prot memories?

[brittle owl]

i mean, you can def craft A legendary

just not a prot one

[uneven mason]

you can craft the base part

[modern brook]

its not about not dying, its about killing a pull before i fall asleep

if one more turn to stone gets off i stg

[brittle owl]

do i really need to /s that

[modern brook]

nah im just syaing

[vocal flame]

yeah i crafted the base part, was hoping we could just wear it with the stats on it and put the memory on later

[modern brook]

i do mongo big dumb idiot pulls because i can cause lol normals

[vocal flame]

i have the intercept memory but thats more for pvp

[modern brook]

and its not really fair for me to expect my big dumb idiot dps to kick the 1 thing tey need to in my 17 enemy pull

[brittle owl]

tbf between shockwave and fear you have all you need for the big dumb pulls tbh

[modern brook]

I thought so too :^(

tbf though fear actually sucks

Maybe im negative-confirmation bias-ing really hard

but i feel like half the dungeons the mobs that you need to cc are immune to fear

[drifting glade]

it feels really good to fear the masks

in de other side

[topaz pewter]

[drifting glade]

not related but it's nice

[pallid bolt]

I'm gonna try this tower solo just to see the difference

Maybe it was all because of my "mates"

[vocal flame]

i loved doing the tower solo as prot, cleared all 3 levels no problem

[formal river]

It's a lot of fun solo.

I'd did have to think about level 3, but I did it at cap with 142 item level.

[strong forum]

Same, I hated it

It's so mundane

[formal river]

In fact shadowlands leveling has been a great single player RPG

Hope the gameplay loop is fun also

[modern brook]

honestly this

[vocal flame]

i agree Nomeratur it is mundane and slow lol

[modern brook]

Torgast is a great idea but the way its excuted the correct way to play is to wait 10 minutes between pulls for drums

and that stupid

[vocal flame]

i kind of wish we could have those added abilities outside in shadowlands haha or at least in the maw

[modern brook]

not that you need to wait 10 minutes for pulls; I just mean that like theres 0 pressure to not take your time

[formal river]

I think that's why they scaled torghast way down

Not having those abilities muted the rest of the game

They were scared of that

[strong forum]

Imagine playing torghast for weeks

And then you leave

And the game is even slower and bad

[formal river]

Lol

Exactly

[modern brook]

😬

[formal river]

They definitely want to use it like diablo seasons to maintain subscribers

As long as they make it cool I'm down.

[modern brook]

It def doesnt feel cool rn

[formal river]

Until BC anyway

[strong forum]

Give us something competetive about it

[modern brook]

^

[formal river]

They have time

Feeling it out right now.

I imagibene

Imagine

[strong forum]

Well they did that all alpha and beta

[modern brook]

I doubt it

[strong forum]

And made it easier and easier

[modern brook]

I fully expect Torgast to go the way of expiditions

[strong forum]

Shorter and shorter

[safe fern]

Anyone who knows whether or not it is possible too get memory of the thunderlord?

[formal river]

Nah

[modern brook]

You're going to hit your fill for the week unitl you have what you need

and you'll never do them again after

[strong forum]

Yes you can get it

[formal river]

They already made a good version of it in beta

So it's possible. I dont think it will be islands.

Look at early preach videos

Shit looked fantastic

[safe fern]

Been farming the dung for ages but no drop are there any pre-req? I got those memories from torghast pretty easily, but this one hasn't dropped in 20+ dung

[strong forum]

Torghast is 100%

Dungeon isn't

[modern brook]

before it was changed tho.

[formal river]

Nomer watch the difference between live and early beta difference

[strong forum]

Hearsay is, drop rate depends on difficulty

I know perrin

I know

[formal river]

They already have the framework

[strong forum]

They removed all of that

And wanna know why

[formal river]

To add in back in

[strong forum]

No

[safe fern]

Would you say it's worth farming it in normal?

[formal river]

Its beta. They wanted to limit test

[vocal flame]

if you can do an all war heroic run

[formal river]

That's what you do in a beta

[vocal flame]

thats what hunters are doing to get t heirs

[modern brook]

They cant have single player content that's actually limited by player skill

[formal river]

We are starting basic to not blow the load early and make other content mundane

I get it.

[mellow patio]

Speaking of Torghast. Tank+dps is actually ass

Why did I put myself through that

[formal river]

Lol sounds rough

I've only done solo

[strong forum]

Perrin, they scrapped old torghast because it was supposed to be locked behind a key like system, those keys you were supposed to get from the maw. So you had definite amount of runs.

But people wanted unlimited access to torghast for live. So they reworked the reward structure and removed player power from torghast

[mellow patio]

Solo ez clap

[formal river]

They can add that system back in for 'heroic' runs

Seems simple enough

So pessimistic these days.

[strong forum]

They also didn't want people to commit to 72 floor runs, because no normal person can invest that amount of time

Instead you have the 18 floor wing

That's gonna come soon tm

[vocal flame]

solo is ez clap but boooorrrrring

[strong forum]

Said 18 floor wing will grant purely cosmetic rewards ( and the maw mount)

[mellow patio]

Gibs

[modern brook]

snot pessimistic it sjust what happened

[modern brook]

is it tuned like visiions where role type changes how its scaled?

[mellow patio]

I havent checked for sure but I assume so

Felt like it

[vocal flame]

when u do it as prot i think the mobs health are 75%

[mellow patio]

Yeah then it is

[vocal flame]

healing specs are a bit lower t han that

[mellow patio]

75% but shit hits harder

With tank + dps you have big health and big dam

That’s the way I understand it

[modern brook]

I was thinking of selling torgast runs since the community im in has them going and apparently im good at them

But honestly I really dont think its worth it

[mellow patio]

It’s painful to carry

[modern brook]

yeah

[mellow patio]

I carried a dps as prot

And that was rough

[modern brook]

and for whatever reason we're supposed to do it w/i 30 minutes

which is like reasonable no one wants to be ina boost for 4 hours

[vocal flame]

i dont know if they hit harder or not i cleared the first 3 easy without dying and my level was trash

could be the ease of the first 3 levels too tho

[mellow patio]

It’s cause you’re a tank tho

Tanks don’t take damage

But the dps feel it on aoe abilities

[vocal flame]

i could imagine

spire + ravager and i pull half the room haha

[mellow patio]

The upper level isn’t quite so friendly to huge pulls

All those elites

[modern brook]

I had a much harder time in soul forges tbh

[vocal flame]

i single pull the elites

[mellow patio]

Can pull them as prot solo but fuck man with a dps or healer in the group that is ass

[vocal flame]

just sit there for an hour trying ot kill it

[modern brook]

Although I also did 6 runs cause i didnt realize u could just do layer 3 twice once you get there

[mellow patio]

Tf you do all those runs for

[modern brook]

i thought i had to lol

[mellow patio]

Heck

[modern brook]

took like 2 hours total

not that bad

[vocal flame]

i did the same thing until i realized there was a soul ash cap haha

[agile stag]

12 runs leggo

[mellow patio]

Large moves

[restive flax]

rude rooster

[mellow patio]

I did Torghast on 4 characters so my brain is mush

[vocal flame]

grats!!

[agile stag]

maybe the karma since i didnt leave after the obilisk guy

[vocal flame]

ill be doing another 20 runs or so today to try and get it

since we can craft them now

[restive flax]

we can?

[sweet summit]

NA can

[restive flax]

youre NA

ye

[sweet summit]

but i dont recommend it

id still wait

just in case

[restive flax]

just in case another lego is bis?

cuz tuning

[sweet summit]

in case they change something and yeah

[mellow patio]

Yeah I will not be crafting this week

Even though I feel chances of major change are low 🙂

[civic rover]

i dont craft in general

too lazy for that profession shit

[agile stag]

Doubt warrior will get nerfs since its bottom of the pit anyhow

x)

[mellow patio]

Some think buffs inc

[civic rover]

ravager could easily get nerfed tbh

[mellow patio]

If anything we will get buffed

Community perception is everything

And a lot of prot warriors are struggling rn

[civic rover]

does that mean VDH will be bottom of the barrel soon

[modern brook]

why are you putting that evil in the air?

honestly

[mellow patio]

I hope no

[modern brook]

its finally good

its finally a real talent

and you're going to throw that evil around

[vocal flame]

rav doesnt need a nerf imo

[mellow patio]

If anything changes it will be number tweaks to address SB uptime

[civic rover]

it's really strong

[mellow patio]

Ravager is in a good spot and I don’t think will get a nerf because our rage gen outside ravager is much lower

[civic rover]

fax tbh

[mellow patio]

I’m just speculating tho

[civic rover]

what we would probably see is like maybe reduced CD on SB for better uptime

[mellow patio]

Bliz has always seemed to be against that

[civic rover]

cant blame them tbh

[mellow patio]

It’s real easy to break us if they did that

[civic rover]

but if we need anything, thats kinda what we need

[agile stag]

Just specced to ravager and it feels fun to play wiht

[mellow patio]

Over tune the numbers and all of a sudden we are immune to damage

[vocal flame]

ravager is awesome metal

[mellow patio]

I love the current iteration of prot while In ravager

[vocal flame]

100% agree

[modern brook]

SB uptime will come with stats tbh

[mellow patio]

Word

[modern brook]

Prot rn i think is honestly super fine

Buff DR again

otherwise super excited for the expac as it

[mellow patio]

That’s what I’m saying tho we are ok but if anything changes that will be it

[modern brook]

yeah

[civic rover]

i miss my 40% haste

[mellow patio]

Don’t we all

[modern brook]

just itf 4head

[civic rover]

NO

ravager animation too gud

[vocal flame]

haha im at 13% now

[mellow patio]

places ravager in tree

[woven radish]

Feels weird being excited in finally back up to 15% lol

[mellow patio]

Almost dinked myself in a Torghast run because I put it in a bad spot lmao

The Torghast dudes that take your haste

Can eat shit

[junior bough]

whats a good haste % to be at?

[mellow patio]

As much as you can get

[junior bough]

Yah he is horrible, i couldn't beat him.

[solid apex]

hi guys sorry if i missed this, but are ppl recommending the haste DMC right now as BiS/

[brittle owl]

without sacrificing ilvl*

[jagged pier]

it is really good @solid apex

[mellow patio]

How dare you correct me

[brittle owl]

haste dmc is good

[brittle owl]

like so

[civic rover]

You forget your punctuation.

oh fuck

[mellow patio]

@brittle owl what are you playing this tier

[civic rover]

i said forget and not forgot

[brittle owl]

it's actually "!?"

@mellow patio pally

[mellow patio]

Hate u

[brittle owl]

unless for some reason the raid is overtuned

then i am vengy boi

[civic rover]

bear

bear is the only main

[astral crystal]

shriekwing is the raid's wall prove me wrong

[brittle owl]

[astral crystal]

dont think i've seen a more punitive fight to open up a tier

much less an expac

[brittle owl]

meh

i'd put it on the same level as BoD first boss tbh

[mellow patio]

I promise to harvest a top 10 kill

[brittle owl]

albeit with oneshot mechanic

[astral crystal]

bod first boss was a zergfest

[civic rover]

i wanna see another fight like maiden from ToS

just to watch pugs fall apart at it

[astral crystal]

your raid will wipe if a single person fucks up in shriekwing

[brittle owl]

not at the start

[astral crystal]

it's nuts

[brittle owl]

shriekwind will be a zergfest towards the end of the tier too

[mellow patio]

Raid cannot wipe if I have a cheat death

These are facts

[brittle owl]

[mellow patio]

19 dead people

[civic rover]

necrolord soulbind has a cheat death 😳

[brittle owl]

so u veng @mellow patio

?

[mellow patio]

I think so

[brittle owl]

nice

[mellow patio]

Raid needs a dh

And I enjoy veng

[civic rover]

im playing monk for the

the 6th tier in a row?

[mellow patio]

That’s a feelsbad

[brittle owl]

oh my

[civic rover]

no 5th

[brittle owl]

honestly though

call me crazy

[mellow patio]

Hawgbrew stays in zuldazar

[brittle owl]

monk is actually enjoyable now

[agile stag]

But with thunderlords vigor. dont u wanna play wiht unstoppable force rather than ravager

[civic rover]

nah i dont mind it, i like monk in raids but i refuse to play it outside of raid

no

ravager gives too much rage gen to give up

[mellow patio]

Negative

[agile stag]

ahh okay im glad then. can play wiht ravager

[brittle owl]

ravej big damej

[mellow patio]

The value from unstoppable force comes from anger management

[brittle owl]

big raj as well

[mellow patio]

Without anger management it is not great

Rajajer

[vocal flame]

i still keep UF even with Rav to pick up those pesky multiple adds

[brittle owl]

wat

[honest plinth]

[junior bough]

Does the thunder legendary drop from heroic?

[vocal flame]

ya mon it still does damage

[civic rover]

[honest plinth]

yes

[mellow patio]

No bad brother

[sweet summit]

ravager is better for dps in aoe

[mellow patio]

Don’t do it

[modern brook]

I threw my bastion spear so fucking accurately i missed 4 mobs with it

tangentially hit 3 of them

[mellow patio]

That is gameplay I can relate to

[vocal flame]

oh nvm haha i mispoke

[prisma gorge]

Hello fellow protectors, is trinket from General Khal any good? I was thinking at least variant to ooze from Doc Oc?

[civic rover]

i once pressed banner

[mellow patio]

I hate that you are necro lmao

[vocal flame]

i meant AM and Rav

[modern brook]

then switched covs?

[sweet summit]

fair

[civic rover]

no

i will be necrolord this entire fucking xpac

idc what anyone says

[brittle owl]

what's the general kaal trinket again?

[modern brook]

I'm not looking forward to like

[honest plinth]

thats fine 😄

[modern brook]

9.1.5

[brittle owl]

the ooze one is shit if i am thinking of the correct one

[limber temple]

So pick Rav over UF, I guess drop AM for Bolster?

[modern brook]

where necro is omega buffed and beef is just LORDING over us

[honest plinth]

you dont need bolster rn

[modern brook]

Bolster is good for threatening content

I had more there but coba beat me to it so

[woeful stirrup]

hey guys im pretty new as TANK WARRI what are the main abilities do use i mean the rotation Charge>DS>SB>SS>DR>SB>TC>PS something like that

?

[civic rover]

lmao banner is gonna become a 3 minute cd lust just watch

[still pagoda]

tried a bit during pre-patch

[modern brook]

"just watch" he says furiously typing his 7th email to blizzard devs

[still pagoda]

was actually enjoyable

[still pagoda]

read a guide :)

[sweet summit]

charge+avatar+SB+ravager->revenge/ip to spend rage->ss->tc etc @woeful stirrup

[modern brook]

signed "I need this, Beef"

[civic rover]

bro

im knocking on Ions fucking door

rn

[limber temple]

Fair 👍

[honest plinth]

@woeful stirrup we are not using DR

[still pagoda]

i'm still playing with bolster because i like it more

[modern brook]

Same

Good Last stand feels good

[honest plinth]

and i like to outdps people 😄

[still pagoda]

bored with AM/UF by now

[honest plinth]

use am rav

[still pagoda]

same shit but in profile

[limber temple]

AM/UF doesn't feel right to me anymore.

[modern brook]

Tclap is anemic now

[honest plinth]

idk i dont need extra sb uptime rn

[modern brook]

UF makes it a regular ability

[honest plinth]

bolster is waste for me

[sweet summit]

it kind ahas anti synergy with out current damage profile

[civic rover]

i probably dont either but i hate kiting

[sweet summit]

so feels bad

UF that is

[modern brook]

i think of it as SB w/o rage

so i can just pop LS in a meaty pull and R E V E N J

[civic rover]

9.1.5: necrolord warriors now get 3 charges of shield block

get memed

[sweet summit]

bruh

[wispy tundra]

Wah D:

[civic rover]

im going to be the boss

[modern brook]

also you're not allowed to switch to necrolords anymore

[honest plinth]

2 shield blocks and 1 extra bones block

[vocal flame]

so a prot war blood dk toon

[civic rover]

no, a prot warrior with a covenant that actually makes sense

[sweet summit]

just giv the legion lego that gives an extra charge to SR and SB baseline :)))

[modern brook]

Blood dk using bones to block is SMH my head tbh

why isnt it bone dk?

[prisma gorge]

what? i am already necrolord

[civic rover]

because boneshield isn't their main form of mitigation

[honest plinth]

sr nerfed 😦 in sl dungeons

[still pagoda]

they will understand soon enough how poorly designed NF pala and necro warri abilities are and turn them into boring personal CD's

[civic rover]

nah

[still pagoda]

seems so at least

[civic rover]

banner boutta be a 3 minute lust

[modern brook]

No meme; I fully believe AM should be warrior baseline

the rage feedback loop feels so good on literally all 3 specs

[still pagoda]

^

[sweet summit]

i do agree

[modern brook]

I mean sure tone it down

but it totally should just be there its a great play style

[still pagoda]

blizz gave ossuary to blood at last

why not AM now

[modern brook]

because blizz likes bdk

[dusky mica]

why tone it down? Warrior is almost never top damage anyway

[sweet summit]

altho i doubt it will ever happen

[dusky mica]

Even with infinite rage warrior isnt good.

[honest plinth]

prot?

[modern brook]

gaining AM w/o the talent slot is thiccer than it sounds mostly

[sweet summit]

thats just a lie

[modern brook]

probably would be overtuned with certain talent combos

like theres more to it than just LOL MAKE PASSIVE PLZ :^)

[restive flax]

I mean infinite rage that still counts as spent rage would be totally bonkers

[modern brook]

Deadly calm hasnt counted towards AM in the past :/

Or am i tihnking sudden death

IDR

[prisma gorge]

i feel like there is too much GCDs to start, you clap into demoshout+SB into ravager into avatar into banner and trinket.... and somewhere between are gcds for rotation

[sweet summit]

neither did bull

[dusky mica]

in torghast you get infinite rage for 1.5mins from a power, it really doesn't make a huge difference because you have no big offensive rage dumps

[mellow patio]

I do like the play style of spend rage to survive vs spend rage in specific ways to survive

[modern brook]

Yeah i got the big brain

[sweet summit]

tru

[warm sigil]

@civic rover a fellow banner bro you are???

[keen yarrow]

quick question regarding stat prio. i usually use Pawn for a quick upgrade glance, but i noticed Pawn puts mastery & versa far far above haste (& crit for m). like we're talking 30% at same ilvl. dont know what to trust :[

[modern brook]

Pawn isnt very reliable

since legion

[mellow patio]

Don’t use pawn

[restive flax]

@dusky mica that power is just total dogshit for prot to begin with and you should never take it

[sweet summit]

dont use pawn
ilvl>>>>>haste>>vers>=crit>=mast

[modern brook]

our stat prio is ilvl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>haste > really whatever

[prisma gorge]

just item level as there are now DR on stats

[sweet summit]

trinkets, rings and sockets do not always follow this rule

[keen yarrow]

figured - many thanks

[dusky mica]

I'm talking all specs, but it shouldn't be dogshit should it

[prisma gorge]

ok 1 out of that list has no gcd 😄

[sweet summit]

trinket, SB and avatar are all off the gcd

[restive flax]

no it shouldnt be

[merry elbow]

Any tips on how to 'smooth out' my damage intake over time? I know the basics of shield block, IP, but I feel like in M0's Ive been yo-yoing between taking no damage at all, to being rage starved/ SB on cd and getting trucked. About 166 ilevel currently (though my weapon is only 138 so that may be a factor as well).
Im generally running the anger management build.

[sweet summit]

hard to tell without logs

[dusky mica]

smooth out? try not chain spamming block

[modern brook]

Generally when people rage starve they're overrelying on IP

[mild river]

Guys, i got the thunderlord legendary. Should i craft boots or hands?

[sweet summit]

boots>=gloves

very minor difference

[dusky mica]

you can't 'bfa block' your way through dungeons any more

[merry elbow]

Ive been trying to avoid using SB when unnecessary

[mellow patio]

Yeah there’s a such thing as overspending rage on SB

[honest plinth]

also dungeons are more magic heavy so

[merry elbow]

So if I have a big IP up wait for that to go before using SB again

[vocal flame]

dont SB then shockwave like i have the habit of doing lol

[mellow patio]

Vast majority of all damage still physical

[sweet summit]

IP is worse than SB against blockable damage

IP is just a defensive rage spender to smooth incomming damage, used with SB. not as a replacement

[keen yarrow]

another quick q regarding reset tmrw in EU: 2 x 190 leggos or 1 x 210 for the start

[sweet summit]

depends

[mellow patio]

I’d wait to craft tbh

[sweet summit]

are you gonna do both m+ and raid?

[modern brook]

a lot of people arent crafting at all until raid weeks

[honest plinth]

according to sr list jus t50% are melee hits

[modern brook]

holding out for last minute tuning

[keen yarrow]

yes @sweet summit

[vocal flame]

why would you wait Hawgz?

[mellow patio]

Heroic week tuning

[civic rover]

because tuning

[merry elbow]

My problem is I run out of SB charges and then am just praying the healer can handle it

[mellow patio]

Gotta kite brother