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brittle owl
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still a tank yep

hearty portal
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Worst tank, but still good enough yep

granite nacelle
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87th spire run, no thunderlords yet : (

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i feel pretty strong tanking m0's

hearty portal
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Yeah I mean we're not in a bad place, but still worst

jagged pier
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@restive flax stop I can only get so erect

open monolith
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rank 1 legendary is 190?

jagged pier
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yep

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got mine rdy and have TGV recipe we go pop on wednesday

hearty portal
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Dk's literally doesnt need a healer atm, which is hilarious run 4 dps @granite nacelle

open monolith
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I have everything but the recipe D:

jagged pier
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go farm it, took me 15ish runs

open monolith
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26

jagged pier
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LUL

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unluck

restive flax
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I'm also at 25 runs without thunderman

jagged pier
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just get better guys C:

restive flax
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Got 2 legos for arms in the meantime though

sweet summit
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I ran spires once and didnt get it pepsihands

hearty portal
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Are you guys running HC or normal?

jagged pier
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normal

restive flax
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both

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hc once, rest normal

hearty portal
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Can you get it in normal?

jagged pier
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yep

restive flax
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yes

hearty portal
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only gotten legendaries in HC/mythic

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I wonder if the drop rate is different

restive flax
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Its shit either way lol

jagged pier
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doubt it

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its probably just because youve run hc/mythics more

hearty portal
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Yeah probably

jagged pier
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I mean was quite lucky tbh got seismic rev when i hoped into Hoa for quest

hearty portal
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grinding gear with sockets and secondary stats, like a clown

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because I have nothing to do

jagged pier
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there is literally zero point in doing that

hearty portal
jagged pier
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go do proffs or get your consumes ready to push for the 14 key

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in week one

hearty portal
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I'm not tanking in our M+ group

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Gotta have a guardian druid/dh for that

sweet summit
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@jagged pier how high fishing skill do i need to time a +15 key??

jagged pier
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I dunno mines max though

sweet summit
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Im only at 50 😔

jagged pier
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get to fish then clowning

restive flax
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Is being able to eat fish enough?

jagged pier
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I mean sure but its quite a bit of gold right now on my server at least the revedreth fish i think, same as widowbloom lot of gold to be made to bad im back to work today pepsihands

restive flax
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My guildie takes payment in ore so I'm good 😄

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He fishes and cooks for me 🙂

jagged pier
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I mean haste food isnt fish though

restive flax
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you still cook it

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haste food is this weird orange globber stuff with bones in it

thorny laurel
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When we get Thunderlord, should you delay Ravager so it lines up with Demo Shout?

jagged pier
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seems like he might be having you off dude the ore on my server at least is worth way more than the food regants @restive flax

granite nacelle
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can anyone confirm that thunderlords has droped in normal

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about to queue for run 88

jagged pier
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yes it has

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i got it from normal

restive flax
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Oh its fine, hes using it for jewelcrafting and I get sockets aswell lol 😄

maiden ravine
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I don't think I can do this eyeball boss

cinder nova
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Is Ravager usually more damage in dungeons?

strong forum
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More damage than what

errant oriole
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so prot wars are lower than bears? O_O

jagged pier
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eh?

strong forum
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More like, everything else lower than bears

errant oriole
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really?

maiden ravine
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913 health

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holy hell

strong forum
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Yeah, bears are rn among the tankiest of the tankiest

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With the FR+IF leggo

cinder nova
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UF

jagged pier
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Ravs better than UF

sweet summit
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5 target 5 minute rough sim to compare

hearty portal
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what covenant is that?

sweet summit
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Nightfae with 130 gear

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0 conduits or anything

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So dont look at the dps, just look at the difference peepostudy

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Also no lego

jagged pier
sweet summit
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Im working on it peepostudy

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Doing my best 😔

jagged pier
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I thought we didnt have simms yet

sweet summit
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Well most things are implemented

still pagoda
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nightly build already has the current version of APL

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not complete, but most things are already there

jagged pier
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even in nightly it doesnt like me 😔

sweet summit
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Those sims are from advanced, not top gear or talent compare

ionic fern
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Smh

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Don't you have full talents?

sweet summit
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I do

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I should prbably just have named them like 331231 etc

pliant prism
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Does someone knows if SL Legendaries can be enchanted?
ie: Legendary Belt with Nitro Boost

jagged pier
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doubt it

pallid hollow
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can you enchant legion legendary with engineering stuff?

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quick google, you can put like the goblin glider on legion cloak legendary

trim trench
hexed sage
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What legendaries are you crafting/getting first?

jagged pier
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tgv

hexed sage
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Whats tgv?

still pagoda
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Thundergod's Vigor

sweet summit
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Thunderlord lego

still pagoda
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old Legion name for thunderlord

hollow lark
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Hey , I’ve asked the same question in the fury channel , but which covenant would be the ideal choice for a fury/prot combo ? I’m asking I’m here because I’m getting mixed answers everywhere I look

jagged pier
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depends what you plan to do as ither spec really

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if your dpsing ina mythic raid and just anking your weekly then venthyr

hollow lark
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Sorry , both would be for mythic plus in mind

jagged pier
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hmmm do you push keys?

hollow lark
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Yes

jagged pier
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do you do that as dps or tank mainly

hollow lark
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Mainly as dps , but I’m also the the main tank replacement if ours is unavailable xD

jagged pier
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probably nightfae then

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best for aoe for fury and good for prot you just loose potion and tether

hollow lark
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Yea that’s the thing hmmm

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I think I’ll just go for nightfae

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I feel like whatever I choose the differences are pretty small

jagged pier
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well if you chose nerco then there would be a big difference or venthyr a big difference

hollow lark
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Yea necro is shit unfortunately

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I was leaning towards nighties and venthyr

jagged pier
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well go nighties, because if you have to tank condemn is pretty much useless for us in m+

hollow lark
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Yes exactly

still pagoda
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unless they will unprune the interaction with Castle Nathria bleeds

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:)

jagged pier
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he said for mythic+ though

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" for mythic plus in mind"

still pagoda
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ik, just saw that he also said that he may have to replace his co-tank

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it won't really matter in raids and M+

jagged pier
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I think he ment his tank in the mythic+ group

still pagoda
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in M+, having ursoc's vortex is always nice but not groundbreaking until the keys where you will have to kite

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and debuff removal with potion is nice, but not necessary, especially if you run with paladin or monk as your healer

maiden ravine
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I don't care if it's useless in m+, I'm still using condemn. 😄

jagged pier
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I didnt say usless I said pretty much useless

maiden ravine
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I find it's good initial threat on mobs.

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especially popping last stand on pull

jagged pier
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but spear is better as it hits multiple targtes not just one

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same with nightfae

maiden ravine
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while I'm well aware spear is better, but I'm making it work

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I tab and condemn each mob early.

prime edge
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How many legendary items can we have on us at max?

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Is it really two?

maiden ravine
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equipped, 1 for now

jagged pier
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when keys get higher I feel youll want to spend your rage on somthing else, but thats just my opinion

maiden ravine
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May change in the future, but season 1 it's just one

prime edge
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That makes stuff simple 🙂

solar crown
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The spear is very nice, at least when you pull big packs and forget you are target capped..

granite nacelle
trim trench
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I feel for ya

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warrior empathy

granite nacelle
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hopefully thats the worst grind over with

trim trench
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my sad warrior story is that I got 5 chests and 3 cloaks in a row from normal dungeons while gearing up

granite nacelle
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i got really lucky w/ gear

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actually only missing boots until tuesday

trim trench
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I'm still using a green 138 weapon

granite nacelle
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ouch

trim trench
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I'll bite it and run random bgs tonight

granite nacelle
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been avoiding that as much as possible

trim trench
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yeah I got 3 155 2hs

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from daily callings

granite nacelle
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nice

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at least you can dps as well as a healer now

trim trench
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on the other hand, first heroic I run, de other side, the hakkar trinket drops

granite nacelle
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darkmoon and some dps trinket here, but they are 184 and 200

restive flax
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Random bgs are actually quite fun as prot

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Just pray that you get Katmogu and carry the ball until the bg is over 😄

granite nacelle
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haha

trim trench
restive flax
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I didnt get a weapon from dungeons so I did rbgs until I could upgrade my weapon to rank 3 and finish the 1500 honor quest from Oribos

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Being a tank felt oddly satisfying

trim trench
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also, I can't complain since my 2nd m0 rewarded me with a shield

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i'm terribly low on haste and versatility though, but that's a matter for later

restive flax
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Until Vanndar clubs you across the face with 2 bunkers down and still oneshotting you through shieldwall

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He hurts A LOT 😄

strong forum
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18% haste big boi here hippo

jagged pier
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lucky im at 15% get to like 25% with tinket proc and darkmoon though

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still need to replace some sup 158 pieces as well so ill get there

strong forum
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Cries in 3 pieces below 150

hearty portal
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just do 5 bg's

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or like 2-3 epic with the 1k honor quests

jagged pier
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oo no armoury says i have 17% haste big pog

hearty portal
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itemlevel 171 gear, with haste/vers

maiden ravine
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My warrior had bad luck. 165, but she has a main hand

strong forum
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Oooor, I just don't rush gearing

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Because its gonna get replaced in heroic week

jagged pier
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true, even sold the boe shield cause it will get replaced but got me 100k so worth

hearty portal
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think the shields go for like 5-10k on my server

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you guys dont have boe farming groups all over the world?

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the two handers have dropped from 200k down to like 80k

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in 2 days

jagged pier
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farm groups kind of pointless with the high drop rate of them, like i saw 3 boes drop while farming thunderlords, didnt all got to me though

strong forum
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We got 2 during out m0 clear

hearty portal
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Its not pointless, they probably made bank. It became pointless when 50 more groups started doing it ^^

maiden ravine
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They need to go faster

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Shields 60k on stormrage still

hearty portal
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the BoE are going to be garbage in 1 more week so kinda have to sell them now

abstract musk
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I'm 178 ilvl prot in BG's they actually need 4 people to kill you

maiden ravine
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I'm so ready for m+

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I will gladly chain run theater of pain

abstract musk
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Same here lol

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Blizz saved WoW with this xpac

hearty portal
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The last boss on high keys keksquad

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the healer is going to sweat

maiden ravine
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No more than a poor resto shaman on last boss of spire

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Assuming no necrolord

hearty portal
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last boss on spire all depends on how quick you are with the balls tho

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that will probably be fine tbh

maiden ravine
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It's still spread out aoe damage

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Restos weak point

hearty portal
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the amounts of unavoidable damage on the last boss in necrotic wake is insane

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during the rift

maiden ravine
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I've never gone down, so I don't know haha

hearty portal
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Because its m0 now

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its a joke

fallow mortar
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same, it is pretty easy to stay up

maiden ravine
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I should dps the dungeon at least once

hearty portal
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but adding 300% more damage and it wont be

fallow mortar
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We would also have gear that would healp against that

hearty portal
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not if you're pushing early

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if you're talking when 10 is free farm. Then its not hard anymore lul 😛

atomic monolith
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What are they adding 300% dmg to?

maiden ravine
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The only thing that sucks is if a dps dies and you stop being able to break the shield fast

fallow mortar
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^

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it already sucks when a dps ahs to go through the ice gauntlet

hearty portal
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Just higher key modifiers + boss modifier @atomic monolith

atomic monolith
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Any suggestions for YouTube castle Narnia tank pov videos?

fallow mortar
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I would be amazed if there are any

hearty portal
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Castle Narnia catjam

fallow mortar
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I know Preach does a great job of breaking down the encounter for all roles

atomic monolith
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Loool yeah Narnia sounds better to me

hearty portal
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Its sounds like you like closets yep

atomic monolith
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I get it lol

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Hate those guys

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What about stats still haste > crit >= versa?

hearty portal
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Haste >>>>> mastery > crit/vers

atomic monolith
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Roger

hearty portal
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no fuck

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wrong channel

jagged pier
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its Ilvl > haste > vers>= crit > mastery

hearty portal
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Yeah for prot ^

atomic monolith
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There's a lot of versatility in PvP gear

hearty portal
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Yeah the pvp gear with haste is great for tanking

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since it always has vers

atomic monolith
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Need a weapon might get the pvp one

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Been spamming heroics and nothing

jagged pier
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just get the one from nectoric wake first boss on m0 :catjam:

atomic monolith
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Already done for this week

hearty portal
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I got 2 upgrades from M 0 this week catjam

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Fuck me

atomic monolith
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I got like 6 epics

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Not bad

hearty portal
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almost 1 from each instance thats great

atomic monolith
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And purchased the 190 shield

hearty portal
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I bought the gloves and haste trinket

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cba buying a shield since its not my main spec

jagged pier
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imagine buying the boes anyway literally replaced in heroic week when m+ opens

atomic monolith
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It's good to get ilvl

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To start in heroics

hearty portal
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Imagine thinking gold is a problem

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in retail

astral crystal
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pulsating stoneheart

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pain

atomic monolith
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Prob gonna buy the trinket

jagged pier
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imagine thinking you need ilvl for heroics

atomic monolith
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Just cause I can afford it

astral crystal
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i'd say hold off until next week

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boe values are already plummeting

atomic monolith
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Yeah ence the probably

astral crystal
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even if you can afford it, might as well save a few golds anyway

hearty portal
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You can do more then just run heroics you know? @jagged pier heard about pvp? keksquad

astral crystal
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legendaries can be upgraded by stage right? if i have a rank 1 and i want to jump to rank 3, i just pay the costs for 2/3 right?

hearty portal
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Yeah there are no shortcuts

jagged pier
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@hearty portal I literally walked to m0s after dinging, plus who cares about pvp its shit

atomic monolith
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Yeah m0 is too easy

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But I got the boe cause you know....it's not real money

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It's good in a video game

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If I'm starving I'll just ask for some mage food

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Or go hunt some pigs and cook it

astral crystal
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also if i wanna go from 1 to 3 i can just buy the rank 3 piece without buying the rank 2?

hearty portal
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If shits being easy are a reason enough to never improve your gear then why even play at all right now and just not wait for the raids to open? thats just a stupid argument

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if you really want to bitch about not having money. Then do that instead of saying stupid shit like: ImAGiNe BuYiNg ItEmS

atomic monolith
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Calm down

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He's mad at somthing

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It's life

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You know

hearty portal
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Haha I am calm ^^

jagged pier
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I have more than enough gold, my point was its a waste to buy gear you will replace in like a week

atomic monolith
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Shit doesn't always go our way

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Idk if I'm gonna replace it soon brother

hearty portal
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** not if you're pushing keys literally when they get released**

fallow mortar
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@astral crystal no, if you plan on doing that, then save up for a rank3 legendary

atomic monolith
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Who knows

jagged pier
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yes because 6 ilvls are gunna make adifference

hearty portal
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Better gear makes difference. Period

jagged pier
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plus your just saying that you wont get a replacement

atomic monolith
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Classic warriors so nervous

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Let's all smoke some weed

hearty portal
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Why would I replace all my gear in like 10 mythic dungeons? How lucky do you think i am?

atomic monolith
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From draenor

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I brought some went I came to ogrimmar

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I got it stashed cause ogrimmar police was on my tail

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It's at razor hill

jagged pier
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again thats not my point, you will get some gear while pushing and that gear will help you push some more, buying gear which is a very small upgrade is just dumb imo, your money will be better spend on consumes and stuff as they do alot for us now

atomic monolith
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Those damn wolves smelled my weed

hearty portal
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No.. Because you're going to be able to push higher keys with better gear right of the bat. and by doing higher keys you get better gear

jagged pier
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the consumes will literally help you do that anyway, have you now seen how op they are its better to spend 60k on pots than 1 shield, which because your farming higher keys will get replaced

hearty portal
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Gear makes a difference no matter how much you wanna downplay it. Is those 5-6 more itemelevels going to carry me? ofc not but I'm still doing 300 more dps because of them

jagged pier
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300 dps from 5 ilvls LUL

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let me write that down

hearty portal
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Sure you do that

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Obviously you dont know how much weapons and the darkmoon trinket does for fury but W/e

jagged pier
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why would I im a prot warrior I dont give a fuk about dps specs XD

hearty portal
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Knowledge about other classes/specs is pointless huh? figured

jagged pier
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i didnt say that all I know is I outdps all the warrior ive played with so far, plus im a tank main I dont generally play dps specs at all as I spend my time playing the 6 tank classes XD

ionic fern
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Quality arguments. Gear will help you do more dps and increases your survivability obviously - most still comes down to class knowledge. If you have the gold to spend and want to do it,go for it. I'm poor af so i cba buying stuff so i'll just chill with what i get until m+ comes out

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🤷

hearty portal
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Knowing what your healers/dps can do is pretty damn important aswell.

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knowing all tanks are almost entirely pointless if you're maining prot atleast. since you'll never be in a mythic group with another tank

glacial coyote
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Thats a good point

jagged pier
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your presuming im going to push m+, which i certainly do not do I do my weekly thats enough for me, but for raid I need to know which tank is best for what fight

torn knoll
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I vote we settle this as warriors and fight to the death

atomic monolith
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Prot is doing good aren't we ?

sweet summit
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Ya

hearty portal
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Good but worst

atomic monolith
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I mean we're not as good as the cheese masters

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The faceroll class

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The class for ppl with brain dmg

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Paladin....The class you play when you don't know how to play

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Or you wanna smash ppl in bgs

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Cause it's so easy

torn knoll
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Spear go brrrr

agile stag
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What. you mean that 6x jugement is op?

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sir. devs said pvp is fixed

atomic monolith
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Lay on hands with a Insta flash light

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Pvp is the worse

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The worse part of the exp so far

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They can never fix PvP

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They just can't it is known

agile stag
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this is the way

hearty portal
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Just wear stupid amounts of vers and the pvp trinkets

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and its pretty fun

atomic monolith
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Yeah and then you verse a pala

hearty portal
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Spell reflect their HoJ and beat the shit out of them

atomic monolith
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And it heals 10 to 100 in 1 global

hearty portal
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I dont lose against paladins atleast, since there are no ranked play atm its abit hard to gauge

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Every class seems bursty as all hell with the covenant abilities atm

atomic monolith
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Tries to duel a DH

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Gets him down to 10%hp

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It flies away while shooting canon balls at you and heals a shit ton

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It flies away while shooting canon balls at you and heals a shit ton

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(Meme)

hearty portal
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Stun it and spell reflect is your friend

atomic monolith
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Myeha

visual drift
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is there a guide for thorgast which traits are good?

hearty portal
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yes in the pins

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Icyveins guide has a page about torghast

visual drift
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ah cool Thank you

old dagger
strong forum
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Na, bdk is worst for m+

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But that's just by Design

atomic monolith
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Warrior is top tank

strong forum
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You really shouldn't care about best or worst

torn gulch
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wheni see people saying warriors are the worst tanks in m+

atomic monolith
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I heard s lot about how shit we are but in fact were good

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Dk and druid are shiy

mental scarab
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😂😂 we still have the best physical DR change my mind

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✌🏻

strong forum
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Nobody is shit

hearty portal
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DK's will become worst when we start getting to higher keys

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so we'll switch places

torn gulch
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well we have like 2.3k armor now

strong forum
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And precisely because of our God tier physical mitigation is why we are good for m+

atomic monolith
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Warrior mitigation is so good we don't need heals

torn gulch
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and for magic and blled damage well just use our big cd's

hearty portal
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Druids are really strong atm

atomic monolith
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We outperform any class

hearty portal
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and probably will continue to be

mental scarab
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But naowhs youtube video on tanks is prty good dho, warriors Will be gods with more haste

torn gulch
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i am going mongo haste

mental scarab
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Now We have some gaps in SB

hearty portal
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Like all tanks are good. Someone has to be worst tho

torn gulch
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with big haste necks and rings

strong forum
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Not Gods, but pretty good

hearty portal
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but its not like the gaps are as big as the dps ones

atomic monolith
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We will be n1 or 2 for all content

torn gulch
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sire denathrius ring on heroic

atomic monolith
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That's my bet

torn gulch
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has 5% haste

hearty portal
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just because you're worst, you can still probably push high keys

sweet kayak
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Is there an addon/weak aura to announce what you reflected? 🙂

torn gulch
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with no socket and enchant

strong forum
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People still assume "worst = unplayable and avoid it"

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So it's a shit label to put on

atomic monolith
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I'd love to know of a guide for castle Narnia raid tank pov

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Nathria

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It auto corrects

torn gulch
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it's still early

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wait for late this week

strong forum
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Hard to throw out a guide for content that doesn't exist yet

torn gulch
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and that as well

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see every boss and get an idea

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of what you have to do as a tank

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a lot of stuff can be deduced for the nature of the abilities

atomic monolith
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Does it change that much from the ptr?

strong forum
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They reworked the dance boss 6 times on mythic alone during beta

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So, yeah kinda

hearty portal
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That boss is so damn stupid

errant oriole
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im so confused my buddy told me prot wars are the best tanks overall

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_>

trim trench
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warrior is best tank because I can show all my dunkmaster prowess during the sphere phase on devos

hearty portal
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@errant oriole

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Warrior looks the coolest tho

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So we're best there

lunar jackal
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Warrior is the best cause we have less to prove so when we outperform meta snobs we cause a much bigger impression

hearty portal
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Yeah which tank it is that tanks matters very little atm

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Healers seems really good aswell, balance wise. However dps is terrible

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with some classes doing more then 30% more damage then others

granite cloud
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After tanking a few dungeons I've come to the conclusion that I don't like tanking for resto shamans

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Maybe the couple I tanked for were under geared or whatever but they just weren't healing enough

errant oriole
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so why are prot wars the"worst" tanks anyways?

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are we a lot more squishy?

signal plover
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Ask the misguided folks that rank us that way

strong forum
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Mitigation downtime

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That's about it

signal plover
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Some talk about lack of self sustain as well but meh

light thicket
strong forum
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Oh yeah, they hate that pwar is a pure mitigation tank

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But they confuse personal feelings with facts

mellow patio
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People want an oh shit button

signal plover
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Don't need sustain when you prevent the dmg upfront

mellow patio
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Word

strong forum
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People really just don't like the design of pwar

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They want bdk but with shield

signal plover
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Dude if I had slightly higher SB uptime I'd alrdy be basically invincible

restive flax
trim trench
#

People want more oh shit buttons?

#

More than the 4 minimum we have?

strong forum
#

Well we don't have any

mellow patio
#

Like actually zero

strong forum
#

They're all kinda rotational

mellow patio
#

Because the class doesn’t need it

signal plover
#

They're not intended as oh shit buttons

mellow patio
#

People want to not be punished for being bad

restive flax
#

You fill gaps in your mitigation with cds if the damage intake would be high enough

trim trench
#

ok, what's a "oh shit" button then? Bubble?

light thicket
#

Yes

trim trench
#

because I'm not using SW on CD

signal plover
#

Warr CDs have the best value when used in a preventative rather than reactive

trim trench
#

and that's kinda the "oh shit button" to me

restive flax
#

yup

mellow patio
#

SW should be used quite a bit tbh

signal plover
#

You should use SW to fill long gaps in block uptime if actively tanking

light thicket
#

SW is for when big dmg is coming ando you have a big gap in SB

mellow patio
#

It’s almost on Cd for me

light thicket
#

I think

restive flax
#

I use SW in situations where I know for a fact that high / moderate damage is going to hit me

signal plover
#

This will be key to getting max value from the wall leggo

restive flax
#

Just to relax the healer

#

Some people just dont use cds to have them for bad situations or whatever. Using them to prevent bad situations will get rid of bad situations 5Head

signal plover
#

Sitting on SW too much is like one of the top 3 mistakes prot warr players make

restive flax
#

Not only SW

#

Last Stand with Bolster too

trim trench
#

nah I mentioned 4

#

last stand, rallying cry as well

mellow patio
#

Yeah as I like to say if SW ain’t on cd It’s wasted

signal plover
#

The other 3 are situational

trim trench
#

demo, that's one I use on CD

light thicket
#

Last stand goes inyo rotation if you take bolster

restive flax
#

In dungeons I actually try to use rallying cry for the group rather than me

signal plover
#

Sorry, rotational*

trim trench
#

yeah RC is for groupwide damage stuff

mellow patio
#

Yeah if healer falls behind that’s where rally comes in

restive flax
#

yeah

#

Also, at the moment you dont need it

tepid mason
#

i run draenei prot warrior so i pop the racial heal on top of it to keep my party just off of death's door

restive flax
#

The content is not difficult enough to make you use rc to survive. I feel fairly comfortable as protwar in every dungeon.

mellow patio
#

As you should

restive flax
#

Eventhough that one caster pack in De Other Side is awful if your party doesnt know how to cc

trim trench
#

oh wait, btw, now that you mention it

#

the caster pack in necrotic wake

#

3 necromancers + the named one

mellow patio
#

Necrotic wake is buns if you don’t kick

trim trench
#

there's no clean and easy way to handle that, right?

tepid mason
#

how do you not hate plaguefall cos lowkey it's my hardest dungeon

modern brook
#

No one can kick

restive flax
#

uh... which one? I only had good players with me there 😄

modern brook
#

Tanking again has reminded me how fucking bad people are at this game

restive flax
#

the second pack after first boss?

trim trench
#

it's before the bridge

restive flax
#

Yeah I see

signal plover
#

Yeah that wake pack is rly more up to the group than you

trim trench
#

I tried breaking LOS, I ate a green void zone

#

I figured

tepid mason
#

is the los break worth tho? i hadnt considered it

signal plover
#

Make liberal use of shockwave and sb

trim trench
#

no I don't think it even works

signal plover
#

Imo no

#

Just blast

restive flax
#

Dunno, I had an Unholy DK with me there that literally deleted that pack super fast

signal plover
#

Worst case you can....wince hard CC

noble umbra
#

I've looked into guides and stuff but I am still unsure which covenant to pick. Any tips? Kyrian & Night Fae is good they say but when I personally has looked into it, I find at least as much value with the Venthyr & Necrolords.

tepid mason
#

i only struggle on it when the kicks are bad

trim trench
#

I assume kicks are bad

#

it's the first week

#

even I didn't notice last boss of mists needs to be interrupted

signal plover
#

Kyrian is actually amazing

tepid mason
#

i have a tracker for it and it's actually goofy, i duo with a friend for the queues, and only his and my kicks go on cd ever

signal plover
#

I was slamming the potion all week

tepid mason
#

o ya kyrian big busted, free cleanse

cinder pasture
#

Spear is doing quite a lot of damage aswell 😛

restive flax
#

People either kick everything but probably the wrong spell -> bad, but not as bad
People kick nothing -> pretty bad

light thicket
#

The potion is awesome

noble umbra
#

I have heard, but apart from their potion they seem pretty meh?

tepid mason
#

yea idm the suboptimal kicks

#

but if it doesnt go on cd

#

im noticing

trim trench
#

there's the worse outcome - everyone kicks the same spell

#

3 kicks on cd

signal plover
#

Idk what you consider "meh" but they're our best cov

restive flax
#

^^

tepid mason
#

the spear has a 1min cd which can be big pog

signal plover
#

Soulbinds are good, spear is great

restive flax
#

the spear is rage gen and aoe damage

#

what more do you want?

noble umbra
#

I see the top 2 tank picked Venthyr and top 3 picked Necrolord.

restive flax
#

the hell?

#

where

tepid mason
#

the servant can play music in combat which is giga op

restive flax
#

you looking at warrior?

signal plover
#

"top" what?

trim trench
#

no venthyr is pretty bad for warrior

tepid mason
#

anyone chooses necrolord ever?

light thicket
#

Spear to keep them in place and ravager for big mob soup

noble umbra
#

top m+ tanks

trim trench
#

necrolord is like picking no covenant

restive flax
#

I mean I am Necrolord because they rock

sweet summit
#

?

restive flax
#

😄

tepid mason
#

i like the armors

restive flax
#

Necrolords look dope as hell

tepid mason
#

on necro

trim trench
#

I went venthyr because I liked the plot

tepid mason
#

but thats about it

restive flax
#

Yeah but I wont tryhard too much so I'm fine with it

sweet summit
#

Lyn, who?

trim trench
#

I wanted to go necrolord but banner felt REALLY bad

restive flax
#

I can still do m+15 and raids so its fine

tepid mason
#

fair fair, i ended up going kyrian over nightfae bc the servant is amazing

jagged pier
#

@noble umbra where have you found this list?

strong forum
#

How can you check top m+ tanks when there's not even SL m+ out

restive flax
#

tarot cards?

strong forum
#

Apparently

tepid mason
#

lol cmon

#

just peer into the future

#

casuals

noble umbra
strong forum
#

Boost is raid parse whore

jagged pier
#

^^

strong forum
#

He cheeses as much as possible to get R1 parses

#

Nothing new

mellow patio
#

His entire group plays to his damage

jagged pier
#

^^

strong forum
#

And nobody knows yet what kind of omega strat he's build up

#

Prolly WF totem shenanigans just for his parsing

signal plover
#

Prolly one focused on crit kek

noble umbra
#

Venthyr and Night Fae both seems good for big pulls in m+ and then kiting them, no?

jagged pier
#

thats true I dont see how he will get there with necro but i wouldnt be suprised if he does

mellow patio
#

Not to diminish the fact that he is good, cause he is the best at what he does. But boost is not generally who you should be modeling yourself after

sweet summit
#

Venthyr is bad in m+

signal plover
#

How is venthyr good for big pulls...

jagged pier
#

@noble umbra venthyr is trash for big pulls

strong forum
#

Venthyr is the worst for m+, nightfae is solid

signal plover
#

Smh

mellow patio
#

In aoe venthyr is just bad

strong forum
#

However kiting is also a weird take on things

noble umbra
#

They can have two charges of their teleport ability? Can go all over the place without being hit for a while.

strong forum
#

Kiting meta isn't a thing yet, in beta it was a thing cuz dps did wayy too much dps

mellow patio
#

I prefer to be good while I am tanking not while kiting

sweet summit
#

It has a 1.5 sec channel time

strong forum
#

So don't focus on kiting lmao

#

Also a cast time yeah

sweet summit
#

Its just a worse HL

mellow patio
#

Yeah just hop away

signal plover
#

Our baseline kit is strong for kiting anyway

mellow patio
#

If in Torghast hop on mawrat, get rewarded

signal plover
#

Add spear's vortex and gg

restive flax
#

Frog lego Pog

sweet summit
#

Never thought id see hawgz say "hop away"
These are some dark times

noble umbra
#

So basically I have to join the blue avatar weaklings of Bastion to be able to handle higher keys then? Or is night fae an option, and can I change covenant efficiently if I change my mind in the future?

#

Or is progress lost?

signal plover
#

NF is good for m+

#

So if you don't like bastion that's def an option

jagged pier
#

if you want to push keys and not gimp your party yes 1 of thoughs 2

signal plover
#

I can't emphasize enough how good potion is though

jagged pier
#

^^

signal plover
#

Clutch as hell

jagged pier
#

^^

light thicket
#

Agree

noble umbra
#

How is nightfae for fury dps though, is it any good? I am probably going to play multiple specs, so would be pretty cool if it works fairly well for that too.

jagged pier
#

its best for aoe in fury

sweet summit
#

Great in m+

jagged pier
#

the dps warrior in my guild has top me

noble umbra
#

Sweet, thank you guys for all the help 🙂

#

Stands between the blue silly avatars and Night Fae then. We'll see what I pick, but ya, I have heard good things about that potion.

sweet summit
#

You can just swap later if you want to
You dont lose any progress with the old one, but have to start over again in the new one afaik

jolly thistle
#

yeah it’s good. I’m still wondering how that phial made it onto live servers

strong forum
#

You mean Blue Chad Skyholds Origin vs Weird faeries

violet tundra
#

For a glorious 2 days covenant switching was even bis because it made you get enough souls for a level 2 building upgrade 😦

astral crystal
#

we doin big dam with ravager + spear

signal plover
#

I'm curious how many fights they've limited the potion on for mythic

sweet summit
#

AA is more dam than spear

signal plover
#

Since they made it ineffective on mythic generals

noble umbra
#

@sweet summit Woaw, I don't? So basically at the end of the expansion I could have maxed all 4?

#

and just switch among them

sweet summit
#

Kinda?
Takes like two days of worldquests to change idk

jolly thistle
#

depends on pull size. AA is hard capped

signal plover
#

I think by the end of the expansion there's bound to be some level of interaction between the covenants tbh

#

At least, that's my hope

light thicket
#

You might be giving blizzard too much credit with that one

signal plover
#

Shhhh

#

Let me dream

strong forum
sweet summit
#

What # of targets is spear more than AA

strong forum
#

15

jolly thistle
#

I’ve prepared myself to a glorious covenant switch every major balancing patch

strong forum
#

Oh

#

You mean direct number

#

Idk

#

Prolly 8-10

#

Is when spear pulls ahead maybe, idk the numbers, haven't looked at them

sweet summit
#

Hmm ill check

strong forum
#

I just know, in omega pulls, spear is my top dmg unless the pull is really long

jolly thistle
#

and it’s nice for snap threat at the start of the pull

strong forum
#

I mean AA can do the same

#

It does a big chunk of damage the second you press it

#

Then you gotta keep the adds in it

signal plover
#

I rly gotta let go of dragon roar sooner than later

#

:*(

strong forum
#

Instantly

#

It's bad as soon as there's 2 targets now

signal plover
#

I know just

#

I cri

strong forum
#

I swapped off of it the second they announced the nerf of it

jolly thistle
#

yeah but if there’s lots of small adds spear feels better. Like in the gauntlet in sanguine depths

sweet summit
#

AA is 8% ahead of Spear on 10 targets peepostudy

strong forum
#

F

#

Unlugg

#

This was the first m0 we did I think

sweet summit
strong forum
#

Pwar squishy BTW

#

(as vdh I could've soloed the pack but don't tell anyone)

sweet summit
#

can you delete the pack before they casts the shield?

strong forum
#

No...

#

But I can silence rune > kick > belf

#

I did solo it on HC tho

#

Yesterday

sweet summit
#

yuge

strong forum
#

Or well Normal cuz dh was 51

steep bone
#

Hello warrior frens

#

I wasn't here for so long, how are you doing ❤️

signal plover
#

We are doors now

mellow patio
#

No feelings

#

Just 🚪

steep bone
jagged pier
#

🚪

signal plover
#

🚪

still pagoda
#

🚪 sense 🚪

steep bone
#

So warrior ded?

strong forum
#

Door = good

sweet summit
#

no we literally own very hard

final mist
#

Warrior fucks

placid moat
#

i feel like i missed a meme

sweet summit
#

its a very bad meme, you didnt miss anything 🙂

placid moat
#

there are no bad memes

steep bone
#

eyir sucks

gilded tendonBOT
#

fuk u @steep bone

steep bone
#

eyir sucks rock socks

gilded tendonBOT
#

fuk u @steep bone

#

🧦

sweet summit
#

eyir cocks

gilded tendonBOT
signal plover
#

Truly a bot perfectly suited for this discord

mellow patio
#

Eyir fucks

#

No words

steep bone
#

peepoHappy havoc nerf is the best, we're all just freshly dinged doing some m0 and its meme

mellow patio
#

It’s cause eyir knows

sweet summit
#

47 dps triggered

mellow patio
#

Yeah tell your healer to grow a pair

steep bone
#

oh he's just kinda new to wow so we tell him to focus on healing only

mellow patio
#

Oh good for you

#

I’m too toxic for new players

#

You keep doing the work that not all of us are equipped to do soldier

steep bone
#

we're all guildies/frens so all good yep

mellow patio
#

You are special

#

Speaking of healers, anyone else hate all healers that are not paladins

strong forum
#

Eyo your dps looking mighty low waifu

steep bone
#

I kno

#

im caster brain, can't play melee for shit

#

unless tanking

strong forum
#

I do like 4k as vdh

#

It's so fucking stupid

steep bone
#

aye

strong forum
#

ED is so fucking broken

mellow patio
#

What do you mean

#

Fair and balanced

strong forum
#

Ah yes, crits for 8k on unlimited targets

#

On level 50

#

Very fair and balanced

mellow patio
#

You wanna know what’s fun

#

Torghast as vdh

steep bone
#

pulling entire dungeon as veng and just surviving

strong forum
#

Spb also 2-3k dmg on unlimited targets

steep bone
strong forum
#

Why is everybody playing blind fury

steep bone
#

dunno

#

i just picked whatever

strong forum
#

Literally every dh I see is playing blind fury

steep bone
#

i guess its because thats what icy veins says

#

and dh discord is too t0xic to go there ask questions yep

mellow patio
#

Yeah was bout to say guide prob says

#

You leave the fel hammer alone

strong forum
#

Vengeance part of fel hammer is fine

#

Rest I don't touch

steep bone
#

nome

#

what ure running with as havoc?

#

or ure only veng

mellow patio
#

50% of the time vdh part is fine

strong forum
#

Only veng

#

Is more dmg

mellow patio
#

I play havoc as well so I can pvp without having to play a class that requires thinking

#

But I play felblade in pvp

strong forum
#

Ye you 100% play felblade in pvp

mellow patio
#

I’m so freaking smart

steep bone
#

so we slowly converting to felhammer

#

good good

strong forum
#

And I'm slowly converting fel hammer into skyhold

mellow patio
#

I am going to play vdh as much as I can right now while it is broken and enjoyable

steep bone
#

but tbh how warrior is now makes me wanna cri 😦

mellow patio
#

Warrior is different

strong forum
#

Idk I like pwar

mellow patio
#

It’s great functionally, but many who liked clap spam do not like the way it plays now

#

I don’t mind it, but I see how someone might not like it

steep bone
#

i played some during prepatch and idk

#

yikes

#

clapping was poggies

mellow patio
#

Oh prepatch pwar was on the juice

#

That was fun

strong forum
#

It's great functionally, but many people who liked IP and SS spam in antorus don't like the way it plays now

#

Bfa recap

mellow patio
#

Huge haste with this build will be gross

strong forum
mellow patio
#

Yeah it’s just the cycle of expacs

#

Always lose people and everyone has preferences

steep bone
#

im officially warlock boi

mellow patio
#

If you’re dropping prot because it is bad it’s because you are bad but if you’re dropping cause of the way it plays I can live with that

sweet summit
strong forum
#

Atleast not a mage..

steep bone
#

mages are residentsleeper

mellow patio
#

No

steep bone
#

as affli atleast i have to remember about redoting

sweet summit
#

mages are not people

mellow patio
#

Mages are subhuman

strong forum
#

Mages are the rogues of casters. Being caster alone is punishment enough

steep bone
#

mages should 👉 🚪

mellow patio
#

Also

restive flax
#

The only caster I'm willing to play is ele shaman

steep bone
#

ele ❤️

mellow patio
#

Is there a reason I can fight same faction in wpvp in bastion

#

And when I grief horde why am I marked as a horde assassin

dense pivot
#

oh hey IP spam and legion story, that's me

#

I still panic when IP is not up

mellow patio
#

God I forget to press it these days

#

Revenj or IP

steep bone
#

i was that guy who was using IP over SB before i joined skyhold

mellow patio
#

When faced with the choice I will mash revenj and never look back

strong forum
#

Same tbh

mellow patio
#

I might regret it

strong forum
#

I have more indom healing in dungeons than IP

mellow patio
#

But I’m at peace with that

strong forum
#

But I live comfortably, so I can pump

mellow patio
#

Yeah if you get into a sticky situation just IP spam ez

#

So much IP in ravager hnnnnnng

strong forum
#

You mean revenj

mellow patio
#

Of course

#

Thunderclap? Never heard of her

blissful imp
#

Plaguefall is suffering to tank for

#

DPS can't seem to kill big slimes

#

never get spiders out of the webs

mellow patio
#

They have stupid health

blissful imp
#

the second boss is pure aids

mellow patio
#

The blobs

blissful imp
#

I hate this dungeon

#

not a big deal with my friends on my warrior, but pugging it on my DH I can't even get past the first boss cause people just like to stand in his cone attack and can't kill any slimes

#

it's driving me nuts

strong forum
#

I very often skip TC casts during ravager ngl

#

Plaguefall seemed fine for me

#

But I didn't pug, so I could yell at my dps telling them what to do

restive flax
#

One thing about the second boss there... Is the tank supposed to break stealth on all of those fuckers? Because I have seen a video where DPS do that and the tank just stands there and chills

#

But I personally just frog over there and collect em myself

blissful imp
#

I don't understand why DPS players hate killing adds, every fight with adds it's like 99% chance you should/have to kill the adds, but they never want to do it

strong forum
#

That's 3rd and, I try to

blissful imp
#

in my experience you have to break them out of stealth, because noone else is gonna do it

#

just going to tunnel the boss

restive flax
#

Oh its 3rd? Brain out of order today I guess

blissful imp
#

second boss is the asshole who jumps 80 yards away every 15 seconds

strong forum
#

Why frog over when you can just heroic leap

mellow patio
#

On third boss you should drag the boss to the spiders

strong forum
#

I insta break as many as I can

#

Cuz not every class has aoe without a target

restive flax
#

Oh that one yeah. Dunno on mythic I had a premade group but in hc I just kill blob

strong forum
#

You need to interact with them in some way, earthbind totem for example isn't enough

restive flax
modern brook
#

plaguefall def seems like it'll be the most frustrating to run in m+

mellow patio
#

That’s what you think

modern brook
#

almost soley cause the 2nd boss arena is meme shit

#

whoever designed that should honestly not be working on dungeons in a 2020 environment

mellow patio
#

But I have a hunch halls of atonement will see some keys ended by one shots on the last boss lmao

compact stump
#

2nd boss is the spider bitch right?

modern brook
#

2nd boss is doc icky

mellow patio
#

Nah that’s third

modern brook
#

spider boss is fine if people want to play

#

but we're still so early no one does

compact stump
#

Ah yea, he’s annoying

strong forum
#

1st is blob
2nd is dickus
3rd is spooder
4th is tentacle mommy

modern brook
#

I hate Theatre of pain

#

IDK why i just cant get over the layout and how nasty it is

strong forum
#

I don't like necrotic wake because of necrotic bolts

compact stump
#

I hate spires

strong forum
#

And the many dots

modern brook
#

I also really dislike De otherside, from a m+ perspective

compact stump
#

Not because it’s bad or anything

mellow patio
#

Ok and I have a question. How are people tanking halls of atonement first boss. My brain just melts so I just kinda kite him around the room

compact stump
#

Just because thunderlord hates me

strong forum
#

Everything else seems pretty chill, trash wise. But bosses...man

#

Tyrannical is gonna be horrible in keys

mellow patio
#

Yeah dead weeks

modern brook
mellow patio
#

God you are smart

strong forum
#

1st boss atonement you try to overlap circles, and if you have to, omega get away from them

mellow patio
#

It’s the Wild West when I tank that boss you never know where I’m goin

strong forum
#

Yeet

modern brook
#

yeee-hawgz

mellow patio
#

I might drop a pool on melee who knows

#

Better not make me mad

modern brook
#

fuck them for playing melee in 2020 tbh

#

Everyone know smelee's dead

#

U wanna play melee play arcanemage

compact stump
#

I wrote up a TLDR for every dungeon / boss encounter for my guildies to reference while we run

modern brook
#

SMH

compact stump
#

Taking that time has been hella worth it

#

Adding in mythic info and strats as we go

strong forum
#

I like the tweet lazel did.

Introduce 5 melee dps specs in wow thoughout all expacs.

Take 1 ranged spec away

And then nerf and fuck over melee mechanics as much as you can in SL

#

Nice thinking

modern brook
#

lol

strong forum
#

Real nice game design

restive flax
modern brook
#

Honestly im thinking dungeons are going to be made or broken based on the % needed

restive flax
#

Spires is hell but with brightnessslider to 500%

modern brook
#

cause theres a lot of cool skips but what we can and cant do is going to be limited by what % we need

vocal flame
#

is there a macro to cast the spear of bastion and ravager right after with one button?

modern brook
#

i believe they're both on gcd so no

strong forum
#

Cast sequence macros

restive flax
#

^

modern brook
#

nvm cast sequence macros

#

if ur a loser

strong forum
#

But they're both on GCD and have different CDs

#

So...

#

Kinda pointless

compact stump
#

I would use @cursor macros instead

strong forum
#

You need 2 seperate binds anyway

compact stump
#

you usually use them together sure

mellow patio
#

@stoic erminesor macros are a bait for me tbh

compact stump
#

but keep the flexibility

vocal flame
#

yeah its annoying cause that aoe thing comes up

modern brook
#

hey cur

mellow patio
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No poor cur

compact stump
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@stoic erminesor macros will cut the aoe click out of the process

modern brook
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oh no

strong forum
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I love @cursor macros

compact stump
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sorry Cur, didn't mean to ping

vocal flame
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@compact stump where are the cursor macros?

mellow patio
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I like em

compact stump
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/cast [@stoic erminesor] Spear of Bastion

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for example

mellow patio
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But sometimes I wind up with ravager in a tree

modern brook
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my brains too aerodynamic for @stoic erminesor macros

compact stump
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wherever your mouse is, puts spear down

strong forum
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Can you guys stop pinging him wtf

mellow patio
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Leave this poor guy alone

compact stump
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no green circle clicking

vocal flame
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ahhh ok

mellow patio
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Kinda wanna ping him again

modern brook
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OK HANG ON it legit had no one on it when i pressed enter :^(

mellow patio
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Must resist

compact stump
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I didn't mean to either time, but all I did was type a macro haha

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man should know what to expect with that name

modern brook
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but yeah every time i use cursor macros i end up dropping/leaping into the middle of fucking no where

mellow patio
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That’s like being named player

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Word brother you know the struggle

sweet summit
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do @target peepostudy

modern brook
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i like the big green cricle of comfort

compact stump
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@fluid parrotget is nice too, but lacks flexibility

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fucking hell

mellow patio
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Leave tar alone

modern brook
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"are you sure?" it gently coos into my ears

compact stump
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Tar and Cur... brave men.

sweet summit
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im gonna have to get the mods if you keep pinging random people /s

mellow patio
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sees green circle in tree... “o no bad”

strong forum
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🔨

modern brook
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tree has no emies. me no go there. 🐒

compact stump
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hahaha it's a funny troll, but genuinely by mistake

mellow patio
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Ban him

compact stump
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i support it

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I'm tanking normies for TL if anyone wants to come along. the more the better so I don't feel quite as bad for ditching after 3rd boss

sweet summit
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TL?

compact stump
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thunderlord

sweet summit
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ah

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eu horde? 😳

compact stump
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😦 na alliance

sweet summit
mellow patio
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NA alliance

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Them boys are grubbin

vocal flame
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ok so i did /cast [@fluid parrotget] Spear of Bastion and all it does is bring up the circle, not at the target tho

mellow patio
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Leave tar out of this

compact stump
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use @stoic erminesor

vocal flame
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k ill try that

compact stump
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bro i conciously cancelled the ping there

sweet summit
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make a space between @ and cursor

compact stump
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inb4 people "THE MACRO DOESNT WORK" #removeSpace

stark sage
sweet summit
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😔

compact stump
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he likes the attention

jolly thistle
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You can use @ player if you just want to drop it in front of your character

vocal flame
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ahh ok the @ player worked but not the cursor one

modern brook
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player macros are a crutch tbh

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I would not recomend them

restive flax
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didnt ping Tar or Cur Pog

vocal flame
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oh ok i didnt have the tooltip thing in there

modern brook
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you dont need it

restive flax
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you dont need it perse

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it just shows the tooltip on mouseover

modern brook
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More accurately, it wouldn't make or break functionality.

restive flax
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^

modern brook
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You also dont need to specifiy ravager in that macro, #showtooltip shows the tooltip for the first thing in macro by default

restive flax
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oh

modern brook
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Macro review w/ bullfango Episode 1 saving keystrokes

restive flax
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the more you know

vocal flame
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oooo i like the cursor one

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its awesome!

restive flax
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agreed

modern brook
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If ur brains rinkly enuf for it yeah they're relaly good

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Im not used to having my mouse in useful spots so i often fuck it up

restive flax
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have a weakaura with a circle around your cursor so your old eyes can follow it

vocal flame
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is there a place to find good weakauras for that Agrathan?

mellow patio
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Mouse randomly off to right of screen lmao power moves only

restive flax
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no idea if that one works or not, its the first one I found googling it 😄

vocal flame
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ill look into it, thanks for the tip

restive flax
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sure

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weird sidequestion that has nothing to do with warriors... do you guys know how flexraid loot works in SL?

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Its not 20% per person like it was a while ago?

strong forum
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It's 3 items per boss on mythic

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No clue on HC

jolly thistle
restive flax
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mythic doesnt have flex tho... right?!?

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that got me confused a lil bit lol 😄

modern brook
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I imagine it works like most loot systems

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I get nothing and the bottom frag ggets all the upgrades and still bottom frags.

restive flax
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thats what I wanted to write just now

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😄

compact stump
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I've gotten hella lucky in m0's for early gearing

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which means Nathria is going to bend me over with RNG

sick sentinel
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I'm about to start working on my Warrior alt. Did anyone level as Prot? How did it go?

vocal flame
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i leveled as prot and enjoyed it, just my opinion

strong forum
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I leveled as prot

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But also in group

sick sentinel
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I might end up doing Threads of Fate and spamming dungeons so that'd be ideal. But, in case I decide to do the story, was just wondering. 🙂

uneven mason
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Gotta do the story to unlock like, 90% of the features of the Xpac

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oh, alt

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yeah, just do dungesons

compact stump
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if you replay the story to level an alt, make sure you swap to threads of fate just before hitting 60

restive flax
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I got hella lucky too, got 9 items from m0

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Actually 10 but two pairs of boots...

uneven mason
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3 more dungeons to go only 4 items sofar myself, but I got a 1h and shield out of them

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so

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the important slots down

compact stump
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i got 9 and a boe shield

restive flax
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I'm running the PvP weapon rn

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the haste vers sword on rank 3 is neat

strong forum
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Pretty sure you can't swap to threads once you chose story play through

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It's do or die